Suggestion, fossils require HEAT and pressure, so maybe you could make a much, much smaller fossil using the same process as before, but after the allotted year, but the fossil, still unopened, in a kiln to further carbonize the fossil.
As a palaeontologist, I might say that these taphonomical experiments are amazing. These would make a fine PhD subject to explore, including the description of the morphological changes and the geochemistry. Congratulations!
I wonder what would happen if you used the same limestone dust that the Green River formation has. I work in a quarry up there if you would like to try that.
@@lundgrenbronzestudios yeah it’s a shame I still can’t believe I found you doing this. I’ve looked for this kind of content everywhere and I just happen to follow you because I’m taking a jewelry class and really interested in lost wax casting lol
I've also been thinking about experimenting with "artificially fossilizing" things for a while now, I don't have a lot of experience but I'd still give it a try, my goal is to "fossilize" some invertebrates what seems easier to do than "fossilizing" fish. Throwing in some chemical reagents might also make the outcome more interesting.
One of my ideas is to make all the layers different, for example one would contain more clay, the other one would be more gritty, and a different one would be just pure calcium instead of only waiting for one layer to dry out and pouring another one
I would love to see more experiments like this I’ve been so disappointed that I can’t find much else on the Internet about this except for that one paper they did around the same time as this video, where they made fossils, and like a day, using essentially a hydrothermal reactor
Might look into some kind of kiln to add the heat factor with pressure may help fossilization who know knows , naturally pressure 7:38 usually means depth which Messner heat
What if the fish are Sun dried first before going on this process? I have a strong feeling that the process of fossilization would make a little bit faster.
I banded the sides with steel banding, put beaming on the bottom and the top and cabled them together. And used several bottle jacks to add pressure. Technically it was just compaction, I wish I could have gotten a lot more pressure on it.
Great job! Would be interesting to see a piece of wood fossilize or agatize. I used to prosepect gold and swore I could see pieces of wood get covered in magnetite or similar mineral.
Oh wow... please make more of those experiments!! I hope the RUclips gods suggest to me your videos when the time comes!! that's fascinating I wanna do it!
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why did you have water in it, I forgot why you needed top it up with water? were the fish hollow inside? did the pressure not collapse the space inside were the insides used to be, does this mean that there wasn't as much pressure as you though. sorry for all the questions I'm trying to understand how this works
Because if I didn’t have water it would basically be mummified. The water helps bacterial action so the fish will decay away. The fish were flattened. In real fish fossils there is so much pressure the fish are paper thin and the flesh turns to carbon. Basically like coal but different.
😮 incredible you just provide that It doesn't take millions of year's for fossils to form so that must mean all the fossils we find aren't even a million year's old you have just disproved evolution dud😊
This is pretty impressive. Few people would have the knowedge and persistence to attempt this and folow through on it. I wonder if keeping the arrangement under heat as well as pressure would accelerate the process? And could subjecting it to infiltration by a mineral solution cause replacement of the tissues via mineralization?
Heat would probably help. I’m not sure how deep these fossils are when they naturally form, so I don’t know what the geothermal gradient was. But it was likely fairly hot.
Bravo sir! This was fascinating! A search of "can a chicken wing be turned into a fossil" brought me here. Do you think materials besides hydrated lime may be useful in creating "artificial" fossils? Hope to see more of your research and experiments!
Yes but the reason I chose hydrated lime is because I could create a boundary that would separate. Other materials have harder time cleaving apart. I’m sure there are ways though because there is no hydrated lime in nature.
Are these specimens actually fossils or decomposing porto-fossils starting the long process of fossilisation? If you took a natural fossilised specimen and compared it to one of your experimental ones could you tell the difference? so many questions. Maybe send a sample to a university and ask if they could study it ect.
Would this work with all life forms? I think it would be interesting to do with specimens we haven’t found fossilised before because of their fragility but if it’s in a short amount of time it could possibly work. As you said in these specimens some of their flesh was left behind so it could be interesting to try fossilising some jelly fish or octopus or mushrooms, Also cacti and leaves would be cool although i know they have been fossilised before. What would be really cool is an egg or a fertilised egg with a chick inside of it i tgink that would give some really interesting results
Long story short I ended up on this video, with this question: would hydrated lime be too much for casting a fossil with inorganic objects? I have a project of "fossilizing" things, like old bike parts. I've thought about using salt dough, but your approach seems better.
I think your black staining is from the bacteria that was able to survive with the limited oxygen available and also the reason the upper layer showed more decay than the lower
I also believe this was absolutely fascinating! I'd love to see how different pressures and temperatures...ie wet and humid vrs dry and arid at 20 tons and again at 60 perhaps
Coal has been synthesized by taking wood, water, heat and pressure. I’ve tried myself but didn’t get the seals to hold enough pressure. But yes the recipe for coal is fairly simple.
@@Pfh3dk How would you explain the tree fossils standing up through so called millions of years of sediment layers? How do you explain mass fossil beds all over the world especially when we don't find fossils forming like this today.? How do you explain the enormous amount of fossil fuels and coal buried in the earth? I am not trying to be demeaning but just suggesting that you research the other side of the argument and you mind find that there is overwhelming evidence to support a world wide flood. Cheers
@@Truth.Is.Intolerant Okay, so let's do it. "How would you explain the tree fossils standing up through so called millions of years of sediment layers?" A: Trees that got buried by volcanic ash. Very common still today. "How do you explain mass fossil beds all over the world especially when we don't find fossils forming like this today?" A: For fossils of aquatic animals, you just need a lake and a massive die-off, which could be caused by many things. The causes include severe drought (which can increase salinity and decrease oxygen levels, as well as obviously decreasing the size of the habitat), algal blooms (which decrease the availability of oxygen and discharge a whole lot of toxic substances into the water), water turnover (which brings to the surface of the lake water rich in toxic gases and poor in oxygen from the bottom), landslides (which literally bury the animals) and, of course, volcanic eruptions. Again, all those things are still common today. "How do you explain the enormous amount of fossil fuels and coal buried in the earth?" A: Petroleum and natural gas are formed as oceanic microalgae die, sink to the bottom, and get covered by sediment. These algae are rich in oil, as it is their main energy storage. Over millions of years huge deposits of these oil rich dead algae are turned into the materials we extract due to intense heat and pressure from within the crust. The youngest petroleum reservoirs we have found are around 60 million years old. As for coal, all of it was formed during the Carboniferous period (around 360 to 300 million years ago) when plants first evolved the ability to produce lignin, a main component of wood. Back then, no organism was able to break down (digest) lignin, simply because it was a novelty (just like no organism is able to break down plastic today). So, after trees died, they would simply accumulate on the environment, without ever decomposing. Over millions of years this plant material turned into coal, again due to high pressure and heat of layers and layers of sediment. You tell me to do my research. Well, sir, I am a biologist who studied paleontology and geology for over 5 years, and I tell you with confidence that the overwhelming evidence supports evolution of life and the geological timescales. I'm sorry, but there is not a speck of evidence to support biblical mythology. The only "evidence" you have is the bible itself, which is considered as self-evident by uneducated people. I am not trying to be demeaning either, but I strongly suggest you sir to get out of the biblical literalism cave of ignorance and look for some actual research, get to know some actual evidence, and read some actual scientific textbooks. It will enlighten you and help you get rid of the handcuffs, blindfolds and mouth gags that religion has forcefully put on you. Cheers.
@@Pfh3dk @PedroFerreira-fh3dk if I'm honest, those answers seem overly simplistic and right out of the school text books that we all were forced to learn. We both know that your answers are only theory. Science is based on repeatabliity. None of these claims can be REPEATED, so we mearly have evidence to support one theory or the other. There is plenty of documented evidence by biologist, paleontology, geologists, etc etc that suggest the earth is not millions of years old and that there was a world wide flood. Of course I believe there was a Creator and I believe His words. You can believe your fairy tail and I'll believe mine. Cheers
No, it shouldn't. As cool and impressive this is, it only shows the beginning of fossilization process. Anyone with a minimum knowledge of paleontology and geology, with the appropriate resources, can fairly easily tell these from actual fossils.
These experiments are interesting and I believe you are sincere in your intentions however I worry that the potential for others abusing this knowledge is much higher than you think. As you know some fossils are very valulable and scammers already employ numerous methods to fake them.
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For those that want to see the original experiment here it is.
ruclips.net/video/xD70UzcSKdM/видео.html
Suggestion, fossils require HEAT and pressure, so maybe you could make a much, much smaller fossil using the same process as before, but after the allotted year, but the fossil, still unopened, in a kiln to further carbonize the fossil.
As a palaeontologist, I might say that these taphonomical experiments are amazing. These would make a fine PhD subject to explore, including the description of the morphological changes and the geochemistry. Congratulations!
I wonder what would happen if you used the same limestone dust that the Green River formation has. I work in a quarry up there if you would like to try that.
I knew I couldn’t be on the only one trying to figure out how to do this, i’ve been thinking about it from a chemical standpoint for years now
It’s not a widespread curiosity it seems. Just a few people who dare to experiment with this.
@@lundgrenbronzestudios yeah it’s a shame I still can’t believe I found you doing this. I’ve looked for this kind of content everywhere and I just happen to follow you because I’m taking a jewelry class and really interested in lost wax casting lol
I've also been thinking about experimenting with "artificially fossilizing" things for a while now, I don't have a lot of experience but I'd still give it a try, my goal is to "fossilize" some invertebrates what seems easier to do than "fossilizing" fish. Throwing in some chemical reagents might also make the outcome more interesting.
One of my ideas is to make all the layers different, for example one would contain more clay, the other one would be more gritty, and a different one would be just pure calcium instead of only waiting for one layer to dry out and pouring another one
I would love to see more experiments like this I’ve been so disappointed that I can’t find much else on the Internet about this except for that one paper they did around the same time as this video, where they made fossils, and like a day, using essentially a hydrothermal reactor
This fellow runs 14 year experiments. I don't even have today's lunch planned. :(
These experiments are the best thing I've ever seen on RUclips.
Getting up there in age so this kinda puts things in perspective - all we are is Dust in the Wind , Rust Never Sleeps, Hang on to Your Life.
True, from dust we were created.
Might look into some kind of kiln to add the heat factor with pressure may help fossilization who know knows , naturally pressure 7:38 usually means depth which Messner heat
What if the fish are Sun dried first before going on this process? I have a strong feeling that the process of fossilization would make a little bit faster.
Sounds like a good experiment to run.
One year later, I was going to propose the exact same thing. Good thing I sift through the comments to not repeat it.
I also think of that. I want to try it.
Maybe for the next one make an inner sleeve of loose sheet metal for the welded container. Put the sleeve in the strongbox, then pour.
comming back after two years of wait, fantastic video
This was absolutely FASCINATING to watch. I’ve always wondered about things like this, fossilization and how it really works. I loved this video Sir.
How about you add heat during the process, and minerals and clay to de mixture ? So you can speed up some chemical reactions
That would be worth a try!
It's more like mummification and preservation rather than fossilisation but it's pretty freaking cool nonetheless!
It’s the start just like any other fossil.
Can't wait to see the next iteration of this project!
Ok ok, you are a genius ! Incredible
What an amazing clip, thanks for uploading.👍
Well done!
When will you make a video again on that dripstone thing
the amount of effort, the patience... you are a scientist yourself 👍🏻 thank you for the vid!
Fascinating experiment! I applaud your patience and awe.
This is an amazing experiment I want to try myself.
I'm happy to see someone try something like this
Fascinating experiment. Thanks for sharing this!
Wow literally just randomly came across your first video….now I see the update is done lol
What about control heat temperature and pressure at the same time?
So very cool I'm amazed with it . I would definitely like to see another experiment like that .👍👍
nice work
you're such a weirdo (in the best way possible). . . I love this channel!!!
From metal caster to metal caster. Have to say love your content. I've definitely developed a fossilization process myself.
Awesome!
So wait, what your saying is you don't need millions of years to create a fossil! Food for thought.
Well I don’t think these were quite fossilized yet but nope, under the right conditions I don’t think it would take very long at all.
How did you pressurize the sediments in the big barrel for 14 years? I can't imagine a little bottle jack could do that!
I banded the sides with steel banding, put beaming on the bottom and the top and cabled them together. And used several bottle jacks to add pressure. Technically it was just compaction, I wish I could have gotten a lot more pressure on it.
Great job! Would be interesting to see a piece of wood fossilize or agatize. I used to prosepect gold and swore I could see pieces of wood get covered in magnetite or similar mineral.
that's so amazing.
This honestly deserves way more views than just 300z
Maybe it will get them in time.
I'm very interested in your experiment and can't wait till your channel gets the recognition it deserves 👏
Why not put some poweered charcoal to absorb moisture
Absolutely amazing project mate
Oh wow... please make more of those experiments!! I hope the RUclips gods suggest to me your videos when the time comes!! that's fascinating I wanna do it!
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Love it ... nice job!
U deserve more subscribers tbh
Thanks.
you should totally do one like this but for 14 years as well
This is very impressive
I am curious about the age of these fossils according to radiometric dating.
I have no idea what the results would be. It should come out to 1 year but it would be fun to see.
Fascinating!
why did you have water in it, I forgot why you needed top it up with water? were the fish hollow inside? did the pressure not collapse the space inside were the insides used to be, does this mean that there wasn't as much pressure as you though.
sorry for all the questions I'm trying to understand how this works
Because if I didn’t have water it would basically be mummified. The water helps bacterial action so the fish will decay away. The fish were flattened. In real fish fossils there is so much pressure the fish are paper thin and the flesh turns to carbon. Basically like coal but different.
@@lundgrenbronzestudios thanks, does the water also help the limestone fill up those areas when the flesh goes
Yes the limestone will dissolve in the water and it can then diffuse through the sediment to cement it together.
😮 incredible you just provide that It doesn't take millions of year's for fossils to form so that must mean all the fossils we find aren't even a million year's old you have just disproved evolution dud😊
This is pretty impressive. Few people would have the knowedge and persistence to attempt this and folow through on it.
I wonder if keeping the arrangement under heat as well as pressure would accelerate the process? And could subjecting it to infiltration by a mineral solution cause replacement of the tissues via mineralization?
Heat would probably help. I’m not sure how deep these fossils are when they naturally form, so I don’t know what the geothermal gradient was. But it was likely fairly hot.
How did you compact the sample for the 14 year experiment? Those fuel drums are quite large and there was a lot of material inside.
I had a concrete lid and a steel plate on the bottom and on the top connected with cables. Then I used hydraulic jacks similar to what I did here.
I feel like its missing the mineralization step but I could be wrong.
Yeah. More pressure would cause pressure dissolution and mineral precipitation. More than I can produce with my 20 ton jack.
I love this content
Love it ... Nice Job! :
Bravo sir! This was fascinating! A search of "can a chicken wing be turned into a fossil" brought me here. Do you think materials besides hydrated lime may be useful in creating "artificial" fossils?
Hope to see more of your research and experiments!
Yes but the reason I chose hydrated lime is because I could create a boundary that would separate. Other materials have harder time cleaving apart. I’m sure there are ways though because there is no hydrated lime in nature.
Are these specimens actually fossils or decomposing porto-fossils starting the long process of fossilisation? If you took a natural fossilised specimen and compared it to one of your experimental ones could you tell the difference? so many questions. Maybe send a sample to a university and ask if they could study it ect.
Would this work with all life forms? I think it would be interesting to do with specimens we haven’t found fossilised before because of their fragility but if it’s in a short amount of time it could possibly work. As you said in these specimens some of their flesh was left behind so it could be interesting to try fossilising some jelly fish or octopus or mushrooms, Also cacti and leaves would be cool although i know they have been fossilised before. What would be really cool is an egg or a fertilised egg with a chick inside of it i tgink that would give some really interesting results
Octopus, Jellyfish and Fungi have been found fossilized before btw 😅
Came back after a year!
Maybe you'll stumble across Girolamo's petrification method doing this!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girolamo_Segato
Long story short I ended up on this video, with this question: would hydrated lime be too much for casting a fossil with inorganic objects? I have a project of "fossilizing" things, like old bike parts. I've thought about using salt dough, but your approach seems better.
I think your black staining is from the bacteria that was able to survive with the limited oxygen available and also the reason the upper layer showed more decay than the lower
I also believe this was absolutely fascinating! I'd love to see how different pressures and temperatures...ie wet and humid vrs dry and arid at 20 tons and again at 60 perhaps
Amazing
Let's goo
Congrats
thank you!!!!!!
You should try this with people's small and exotic pets that have passed away and sell it as a service.
I’ll have to perfect it first.
So much for billions of years!
Do you think it would be possible to try this method to create coal
Coal has been synthesized by taking wood, water, heat and pressure. I’ve tried myself but didn’t get the seals to hold enough pressure. But yes the recipe for coal is fairly simple.
Genius!
Noah's flood replicated.
Yes, except it never happened.
@@Pfh3dk How would you explain the tree fossils standing up through so called millions of years of sediment layers?
How do you explain mass fossil beds all over the world especially when we don't find fossils forming like this today.?
How do you explain the enormous amount of fossil fuels and coal buried in the earth?
I am not trying to be demeaning but just suggesting that you research the other side of the argument and you mind find that there is overwhelming evidence to support a world wide flood. Cheers
@@Truth.Is.Intolerant Okay, so let's do it.
"How would you explain the tree fossils standing up through so called millions of years of sediment layers?"
A: Trees that got buried by volcanic ash. Very common still today.
"How do you explain mass fossil beds all over the world especially when we don't find fossils forming like this today?"
A: For fossils of aquatic animals, you just need a lake and a massive die-off, which could be caused by many things. The causes include severe drought (which can increase salinity and decrease oxygen levels, as well as obviously decreasing the size of the habitat), algal blooms (which decrease the availability of oxygen and discharge a whole lot of toxic substances into the water), water turnover (which brings to the surface of the lake water rich in toxic gases and poor in oxygen from the bottom), landslides (which literally bury the animals) and, of course, volcanic eruptions. Again, all those things are still common today.
"How do you explain the enormous amount of fossil fuels and coal buried in the earth?"
A: Petroleum and natural gas are formed as oceanic microalgae die, sink to the bottom, and get covered by sediment. These algae are rich in oil, as it is their main energy storage. Over millions of years huge deposits of these oil rich dead algae are turned into the materials we extract due to intense heat and pressure from within the crust. The youngest petroleum reservoirs we have found are around 60 million years old.
As for coal, all of it was formed during the Carboniferous period (around 360 to 300 million years ago) when plants first evolved the ability to produce lignin, a main component of wood. Back then, no organism was able to break down (digest) lignin, simply because it was a novelty (just like no organism is able to break down plastic today). So, after trees died, they would simply accumulate on the environment, without ever decomposing. Over millions of years this plant material turned into coal, again due to high pressure and heat of layers and layers of sediment.
You tell me to do my research. Well, sir, I am a biologist who studied paleontology and geology for over 5 years, and I tell you with confidence that the overwhelming evidence supports evolution of life and the geological timescales. I'm sorry, but there is not a speck of evidence to support biblical mythology. The only "evidence" you have is the bible itself, which is considered as self-evident by uneducated people.
I am not trying to be demeaning either, but I strongly suggest you sir to get out of the biblical literalism cave of ignorance and look for some actual research, get to know some actual evidence, and read some actual scientific textbooks. It will enlighten you and help you get rid of the handcuffs, blindfolds and mouth gags that religion has forcefully put on you.
Cheers.
@@Pfh3dk @PedroFerreira-fh3dk if I'm honest, those answers seem overly simplistic and right out of the school text books that we all were forced to learn. We both know that your answers are only theory. Science is based on repeatabliity. None of these claims can be REPEATED, so we mearly have evidence to support one theory or the other.
There is plenty of documented evidence by biologist, paleontology, geologists, etc etc that suggest the earth is not millions of years old and that there was a world wide flood. Of course I believe there was a Creator and I believe His words.
You can believe your fairy tail and I'll believe mine.
Cheers
Should make everyone question the current method for dating fossils and geology
No, it shouldn't. As cool and impressive this is, it only shows the beginning of fossilization process. Anyone with a minimum knowledge of paleontology and geology, with the appropriate resources, can fairly easily tell these from actual fossils.
Fossils are not that old
These experiments are interesting and I believe you are sincere in your intentions however I worry that the potential for others abusing this knowledge is much higher than you think. As you know some fossils are very valulable and scammers already employ numerous methods to fake them.
I think this method would be a very ineffective way of making forgeries. It’s more for the sake of experience.
I cannot imagine how that basement smells😅
The mud really seals up any smell.
@@lundgrenbronzestudiosreally interesting experiment mate! To understand how fossilisation process works ! Thanks for sharing
make walkman fossil
😂
A lab has made fossils in 24 hours.
That’s cool. What’s their process?
Source?
I want this to be done to my body when I die.
this is a proof that you do not need millions of years to form fossils.
for more information about fossils not millions of years to from, please watch the ff video lectures
1.institute for creation research-can fossils last millions of years
2.answers in genesis-you have been caught lying about fossils
3.Is genesis history? - (just type fossils)
4.david rives ministry- (just type fossils)
This was not actually fossilized. There is more to that process. But it give an idea of how they start and yea it’s more about conditions than time.
I like chicken
You should make a chicken fossil.
I would recommend using a cadaver and pranking the paleontologists with 'modern human' fossils.
When I die I want to be fossilized.