This Total Annihilation Is Beyond All Reason... A Legend Reborn
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2021
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Remember those maps that were just made of metal and you could put extractors everywhere? Those were the days.
We have those in BAR too... Well, just one... And it makes tons of metal... But classic style metal maps are planned.
ya good shout was the homeworld of core or arm i think
Core Prime Industrial Area :)
Haha ya it was the last missions, the Arm invades Core prime. The converted the planet to full metal and energy production. The core turned into the borg.
SPEEDBALL man
Man this was one hell of a game. One of the hidden gems of this game was the soundtrack, classical music just went really well with this futuristic mechanical theme for some reason. And composed by none other than Jeremy Soule of Skyrim fame.
I was digging the music.
Finished arm campaign, and recognized his name in the credits.
SupCom and TA are still my favorite RTS of all time. While most other people enjoyed their C&C/RA, AoE, WC, etc... I remained a devoted pilgrim of St. Chris Taylor Church. Not a single thing in our world can replicate the initial sensation of Big Bertha shooting and hitting a distant unseen target across the map. Man... those were the days :)
Straight tf up
I still have fond memories of the Krogoth gantry and it's huge experimental bot. It wasn't a good use of the resources, but damn was it fun to waltz it into the opponents base.
Not to mention all the unit mods and custom maps.
TA was a milestone in our childhood, shadowed only by AoE
TA and its clones, as Spring TA are still my favourite rts of all time. Who remembers DeltaSiegeDry or SpeedMetal maps? :)
R.I.P. XTA and Balanced Annihilation.
To be fair, I enjoyed C&C/RA, WC and all the typicals but oh boy, TA was really fun as well and put lots of hours playing with friends.
I still love Total Annihilation even to this day.
Yup. Had trouble getting it to run on modern Windows, but I also run Ubuntu and it works very very well under wine, no alcohol required.
Lol... i still play it sometimes.
One of the things I loved about Total Annihilation that many games still lack was proper height for units on high ground or in a hole and flying units and also for every projectile fired. This means projectiles could fly over units or under units hit a random hill in the Terran hit a different large unit that wasn't even being aimed at or once in a great while things like artillery would hit an aircraft as physical projectiles had an arc when fired. Most games only certain units can fire at air targets and others only at ground with Total Annihilation any unit could fire at anything and the projectiles were modeled as a physical thing that could miss or even hit something it wasn't even aimed at. Sure the short range and slow aiming units were mostly useless against air but it was still technically possible for any unit to hit any other unit.
Yeah, that moment your big Bertha hits a random spy plane that flew in front of the barrel.
I agree. Such good physics for such an old game.
I'm old, just turned 40. I was 15 when TA came out, it was actually rated as the best game of all time by PC Gamer back then. The graphics were amazing for its time. It would cause a 1997 PC to slow to a slideshow when you got enough units. A lot of fun for its time. If you told me the RTS genre would have kinda died out I wouldn't have believed you at the time. I blame the Starcraft community for simply going to any game that wasn't Starcraft and shitting all over them lol. I got Supreme Commander at launch but only put like 20 hours into it.
Had a relatively exclusive Pentium 120 w/32MB RAM at the time (1997). Thought something was wrong with my computer when the game slugged to 1 frame per second with 30-40 units on the screen. But no, this game was really ahead of its time. Required a 2003-2004 PC to really start to fly pretty well during battle action.
39 here and TA is my fav game of all time. I put away many hours in that game.
@@Eliphion5150 I agree total annihilation and sup com are the best
My fellow geriatric youtubers, is there really no (more) modern RTS game we can move on to? Even SupCom feels overly complicated to my shriveled up old person brain...
@@tobiasra1 I had a top end Pentium 200 with 64MB SD-RAM in a Super Socket 7 system, my friend had a Pentium 166MMX, and even with our shiny systems ... we would crash to desktop whenever anyone launched a nuke and connected with a decent amount of units.
I remember rushing to make a quick air transport… flying it over to the enemy base… if you’re lucky and the enemy wasn’t paying attention . You can pick up their commander and detonate it over their own base. Instant win!
Or the more sportsmanlike move of capturing a Core construction bot if you were Arm.
This must have been patched out there is no way
I remember buying this game at a fleemarket back in 1997, with my brother. We had no clue what this game was about. It is one of the most memorable, playable, replay-ability, and just plain fun it was. The music is iconic, the maps and the units are memorable. It is challenging to do. It wasn't until later in life we added the expansion pack and fell in love with one of the missions where the Core had an experimental unit and if you were not fast enough during the first 10mins of the game... you were gone. Now that was an amazing map to play. So many attempts to beat it!
The BAR's more than just reskin for many reasons. There are more units, buildings. The BAR is the evolution of TA.
As I've played BAR more and was coached through the triathlon, you're very right. There are several more units like the nano turret that are super cool and don't exist in TA.
So beyond all reason is balanced annihilation. Got it. TA was the jam back in the day. Cnc and star craft were legit. Hard to beat TA though
BAR as Total Annihilation Remake.
agreed, just started playing BAR and its phenomenal, its everything I wanted from a TA remake. Its the best RTS around right now, and its not even close.
@@TheDuelist TA also had lots of Mod Files for it that opened up the units possible to almost infinite.
Thank you for this video! Really happy to see (more) people that like what we're trying to with BAR/Beyond All Reason.
Also great you talked/explained the history - lot's of younger people don't know TA.
For me personally, TA had the perfect balance between micro/macro gameplay, and for BAR we've combined that with an even (slightly) larger unit-roster, better balance and with modernized graphics, animations, sounds, AI, etc. We are pretty proud of what we've managed to do so far.
Again, thanks for this video!
Much appreciated!!!
There's actually a hotkey you can use to track units. I used to set up my squadrons where several planes would be commanded to 'guard' or follow around a sort of lead pilot, and I would then track that plane. So the other planes would be flying close to the one that you're tracking
I remember playing this game as a kid. We bought a family windows 95 pc which came with a bundle of games, including TA, Fallout, Redline Racer and a few others. Loved playing those games back in the day, will be checking out BAR!
I loved building an artillery platform of Big berthas, then turning them lose on an AI's who was starting to dominate the map. So much fun lol
This game was way ahead of its time and way underrated.
I remember picking up enemy commanders with an air transport and self destructing :)
Good I remember a play like that back in the nineties
Yo momma was a snowblower
Yup....Commander napping lol.....
This was my first RTS game and I played a ridiculous amount of hours for an 11 year old. To this day its still probably my all time favourite RTS.
A SUPREMELY under rated game. I played this game between the ages of 7-10 I'm 30 now and still have nostalgia thinking about it 😍
Does anyone know if there's a 2 player "arcade" version of this?
Thanks for this. Took a stab on TA back in 97 and never looked back. Many hours of fun spent playing it.
TA was a great game. The bugs it had were painfully hilarious.
Planetary Annihilation - that... Was different.
I would've loved to see SupCom with planets. XD
I still playing PA, I’m waiting for Industrial annihilation this 2024
I love how fluid the units movement are. It was more realistic with just that fluidity than most of game today
In the 90s I absolutely loved TA. At the time I had gaming hub with 8 computers in a garage. I could not understand how and why this game got so little interest from people. Myself and a coleague of mine had a little obsession with this game and thought it was an absolute blast.
Thanks for the video!
Cheers
Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention. I remember playing TA when I was in middle school and was my favorite RTS. You're the man 🙌
This is my first game i played online, on a 56k modem back in 1999 (please do not pick up the phone!)
There was a 'big' community there with lots of clans, I was part of a group called 'Goodfellas' and remember a friend called SoD [keeping it private] And there was a ranking system for team battle, free for all and 2 more ranking systems.
Also a chat channel and a online profile page
I remember the ARM having lvl 1 units that fires a yellow 'circle'. That circle was displayed as a bitmap which required a lot of bandwidth. So it was excluded by the players themselves not to be used ingame (online). And so also the Core equivalent of those units.
The 'Gods of war' map was a popular 5 player map.
Do you guys remember the Krogoth?
Also a very cool map editor came out which allowed for many new and cool maps to be made.
I still have the original installation CD's of TA and TA:CC
To follow your planes, just assign them to a group. You could then select the group and press T to follow them on screen
Flashes and brawlers were banned.
The only thing that SupComm is missing from TA is the incredible soundtrack.
There is Zero-K as well on steam. It is not that much a replica of supcom or TA, but uses the same economy model, strategic zoom and some more aspects well known from supcom. I am playing the campaign in coop with a friend right now ... no idea how well custom games are.
Zero-K runs on the same engine, and we even share some stuff with them (lobby/menu is the most noticeable)
Man TA Metal Heck was my life when I was 6/7 years old. Was terrible at it but I still loved it.
I literally played total annihilation last night. Ive been playing since the early 2000s when i was about 8yrs old. Still play to this day, The game never gets old, it truly is a masterpiece of its time and has aged well for a very fun RTS game.
sb tell me that BAR has kept these features!
1. solar units fold their panels when attacked, or hit by debris.
2. Sentinel tower.
3. Big Bertha.
4. those assault aircrafts firing multiple rounds while hovering randomly in circles!
5. those bee-like construction aircrafts (such a beautiful hovering simulation...).
6. dragon's teeth (funny yet handy).
7. commander and every other construction unit may assist in every vehicle or building development.
8. commander may capture an enemy building.
9. units and buildings may get hit by friendly fire and various explosions.
10. units grouped using Ctrl+num.
11. various unit order assignments (patrol, stand your ground, go from A to B non-stop).
12. enemy units visible according to radar range.
13. original ambient soundtrack.
14. soundtrack changes mood/track according to gameplay.
15. option to end the game when the commanders are killed.
Yep that's all in there :D
@@TheDuelist oh no... this will ruin my life... i will stop working, my wife will leave me and i will end up living in the streets... i'm a happy man!!!!
Had this bad boy running on my Pentium 133mhz, 16mb of Ram and 850mb HDD. The good ole days. Back then it seemed like most games were very well optimised for your system. I rem never having much of a problem playing anything. Now i'm sat at my 32gb, 12core processor, machine with a 3080 gpu. With every word I type I'm reminded of how old I am now xD
TotalA was/is amazing.
Definitely was, but now I think some of the mechanical stuff makes it more difficult, which is why beyond all reason is so cool :D
@@TheDuelist Yeah, TA is ~25 yrs old now but boy did it fill my time in my younger years, thank you for the showcase on BAR, I have just installed it :-)
Beyond All Reason feels like a true modern remake of TA, when I play it it looks and feels like TA, which is an incredible feeling to be able to recreate.
Great video. Brought back memories. I played TA heaps with my dad. i was 21 at the time. I remember you needed a pretty good PC to run it\ well back in the day.
Intel, AMD, Cyrix, and you forgot IDT Winchip but that is hardly surprising. Most people did even when they existed.
Can't wait to join ya for beyond all reason and planetary annhilation!
can't wait either. Also looking forward to first BAR video from @TheDualist
Remember spamming a whole bunch of pee wees ? I felt so powerful as the screen filled with plasma balls... But felt so sad after they got wiped out, and realized for the umpteenth time they are too fragile to be cost effective
2022 and i still play this game and modded versions regularly. The original sound track is mega.
I remember that my friend and I played this in turns (skirmish) like we did with all games before the internet was common. A "fun fact" is that the first PC we had at home could not run the game on the 7 metal islands map. It required 64mb ram (recommended ram amount was specified on each map :D) and that map was to big and there was to many units. Hehe
Ahhhhh... Memory overload! I was feeling a bit melancholy for my fave classic games & searched YT. And there you were! 😎👍 Subbed. Curious to see where you go. I do have Supreme Commander, but haven't p[ayed that in awhile.
I have played TA since it's original release, though not as often in recent years than when it was launched.😏 I got the GOG Total Annihilation: Commander Pack some years ago. It's pretty easy to get up & running on Win10. You need the "Unofficial Beta Patch v3.9.01" & " Unofficial Beta Patch v3.9.02 DropIn Install" update from Total Annihilation Universe (TA Universe) - home of TA Escalation. It also fixes many things with the old TA. Increasing the unit limit from 250 to 1,500, cleaned up sound, music & graphics. Widescreen support.
Beyond All Reason (BAR) looks very interesting! It's still Alpha, but looks good so far. The factions are Armada & Cortex. I'm waiting for it to be beta.
TA, C&C, DOOM, Diablo, Warcraft... they were my main games back in the day! I did get Command & Conquer Remastered Collection when launched & it's good, with some issues. But updates have been coming regularly and it get's better every Month.
Now... I have to go dig through my archives for all the Unit's & maps I created or modded for TADD, MODbd & others back in the day. I'll need the tools too... HPIview & others from memory! 🤔
Total Annihilation reworked for modern is available on on Steam for very cheap. The game is owned by Wargaming who make World of Tanks.
version from GOG of TA works without problems on windows 10
Thank you, this was the first rts game I played and was looking for.
I remember getting this game, our computer at the time ran it pretty well, but we often didn't always have enough hard drive space for it (so something always got deleted). My brothers thought it wasn't going to be as good, since we already had Starcraft at the time, but TA just kinda spoke to me. Got it, and my brothers and I played the hell out of it. Krogoth was my favorite unit when Core Contingency came out.
I was a boneyards core commander, and I was a very proud tester for the development of Supreme commander.
I remember seeing anti aliasing in the graphics options way back then and thinking, "whats that?" lol. Ahead of its time.
Great job! Got me excited!
Ive been waiting for someone to make this video made the year i was born i saw it always at my dads LAN parties im so glad i got to play this amazing game that changed rts
Congrats, really good job.
10:10 ha ha...
(engineer got stuck in the factory)
I recommend you check out Zero-K, it's kinda a sister game to BAR, and also free and runs on Spring. It's also inspired by total annihilation but with a much different take, and the game is very fast paced, but you can still feel the influence of Original Total Annihilation.
loved this game, I was only 11 when it came out but walked into town and bought it and still remember everything about it - classic game and also sountrack which I still have in my car on an SD card 26 years later
I bought this title at Electronic Boutique back in the 90's. Probably one of my top five favorite games. I especially enjoyed that the publisher allowed and encouraged the community to mod.
This video makes me feel so old. "The grandfather of RTS" a game that was groundbreaking and new to you when it came out.....
Most of the cool stuff has been mentioned, but in addition to all that good stuff, the voiceover narrator was GREAT!
Total Annihilation was the 'Optimus Prime' of RTS Games. Worthy of a remake.
There were shortcut buttons for selecting Units of different types, Like for air units and so on. You had to learn the setups like you would to become efficient in any game.
Oh man!!! I was a huge TA fan back in the day... supcom was awesome also
I’m 37 and still play this game, I just played yesterday on steam.
I've been looking for a TA style game since I upgraded my pc and couldn't run TA on it anymore. I'm glad I stumbled upon this video, even if 2 years late 😂
i remember playing this game as a kid, my favourite weapon was that huge cannon or silo rocket, both were consuming a lot of energy and I really mean A LOT, even when you had maxed out energy bar...
The big cannon was called Big Bertha ;] I liked the game! It was pretty innovative at that time and I liked the building process and salvaging the wrecks. Mech design was pretty cool. Big navy units (guns) and aircraft design was interesting! One faction had solar panel stations and the other had wind turbines or something ;] Interesting concept.
@@pavel9652 those solar thingies folded their panels when attacked, or hit by debris
Man i loved this game, Big Berta cannons firing across the map
I've played a couple bar pvp and it's very fun
Man the memories this brings back. What an amazing game
This game and kknd 2 are my childhood Favorit rts games, love it
So, around the 12 min mark you start talking about flying engineers, geothermal energy, and tidal energy. I think that those were originally introduced in The Core Contingency. They might have been base game, but I can't remember at this point.
One little thing was not mentioned in this video: Back in the days, when you had a 2nd monitor, you could display the map on the 2nd monitor, making space on the first one with the game running.
Played this game a lot on win95. I was 12-13 ish. Such a great game!
I found TA in the discount bin in the local computer store.
And got the RTS bug. I bought SC and I love it.
Without the soundtrack it just dosen't feel the same. TA soundtrack was the only one that has stuck in my mind ever since i played it. Many MANY years ago.
This would be my absolute favorite comeback for a franchise ever to see Total Annihilation resurrect itself back into the mainstream gaming community.
After I started playing it via modem I starting downloading custom maps I remember it took an hour to download a 5 meg map lol
I use to play so much TA, it's an awesome game
This is far better than a masterpiece this is like the Omega particle the Borg seek 🤩
Loved It!!!
This game RULED, I remember taking your commander to the enemys base when you knew you were gonna loose to just make some chaos.
I remember creating new units for this game 20 years ago
Like the fellow two comments down I could never get into C&C AOE ETC. And this is a faithful remake of TA and it has been made so well and is much better. The team behind it are geniuses and I sure hope they make a fortune from providing such a great game for fans of TA.
Loved that game.. Usually sent one of my "builders" to the enemy and started to suck on his things, removing it.. Hilarious.
6:00 you could select them. But you had draw out a box in order to select a unit
Warcraft 1 and 2 released long before Age of Empires. Warcraft 2, which released in 1995, was huge.
Got to know this game because of my tuition teacher back when I was in kindergarten. Also, got a copy from Steam a few years back.
I'd be interested if Beyond All Reason lets you import and play the TA campaign or comes up with its own campaign that's at least as good. Not interesting in competitive multiplayer, although I indulge in the occasional coop skirmish VS AI - the problem is finding an AI that provides a moderate challenge without being a pushover.
BAR = Balanced Annihilation Reloaded
Remastered I believe
I just reinstalled TA a week ago to get some nostalgic rts action. Now I find out this exists and it's free and its the best!
Me and a couple of mates were still having epic battles in 2012 or so.
Bought it again recently but struggled to have a playable experience so il look into bar
I remember playing this game for hours on end back in the day. I was searching for old classics on Steam one day and literally cheered when I saw TA. I probably have close to a thousand hours logged so far
Edit: TA on Steam has the Escalation expac by default where Core tries to destroy the universe
Guys can you help me?
Btw. I'm 40 now and loved this game back in the days here in Switzerland! :)
There was also a strategy game from that era where you could build normal battle tanks, marine units and other armored vehicle. But the core units of the game where giant robots (like in pacific rim), with katana swords or other weapons. If you engaged another robot they could lose their arms, legs and upgrades. You could then send some ground vehicle and recover those, research them and unlock those for your robots.
I never could remember the name of that game or find it anywhere since sadly.
Does anyone remember what the name of that game was?
Cheers
thanks man I just found out about BAR this is madness that it's free game - best RTS ever!
Is it better than supreme commander?
@@austinstoner6270 much better
@@schedarr fuck yeah. I've been looking for a rts game. Sup com kind of disappointed me. I'm getting this as soon as I get off work. Looks to be more depth, units, strategies, etc than sup com. Total annihilation was my absolute favorite rts game. I'm so glad I found this. BAR
@@schedarr can you tell me a little about why it's better? Unit diversity, economy, strategy, variety, different weapons, fortifications? Just give me some of your top reasons. If you will
@@austinstoner6270 It definitely looks and feels better. There are some crazy strategies you can use, you can customize almost everything in GUI and you can download and watch replays and you can play scenarios and variety of buildings and units is awesome.
I miss this game everyday
Lord I miss the Blood and Bone Dragoons (a wave of air dropped Mavericks followed by a wave of Necros)
God bless the Peewees!
I remember this game.
I played it in 2010? Or 2012ish
I would always walk to my enemy and make my builder explode. That was fun
Love the content
In one of your recent videos, I mentioned a list of a few units I'd like to see someone add to SupCom, including TA's flying construction craft. That SupCom lacked a flying engineer was the greatest disappointment of the entire game.
This game was my childhood
Question dose i only know BAR and Supreme Commander but dose the build power balance in total annihilation is the same as in BAR, cuz BAR you really pay a lot for a factory and you don't get that much build power out of it so it really encourages you to have a single factory with a lot of support while in supreme commander its still more effective to assist a factory but at least for t1 factories its pretty negligible so you don't feel bad for building 12, 16 20 factories. I ask because i really like BAR system in team games but i prefer Sup Com system for when i am solo.
I'm 48 now and used to play the living shit out of this game. So good.
Yes!!!!! Best game of my childhood.
Playec it on my P166 compaq presiaro- once windows 98 came out direct x issues were better, even with an onboard soundcard. This and Close Combat were the games of the late 90s.
I miss playing this game
Its awesome knowing other people actually still care about this game. Even if I never get to play it online again, online play isnt what this game was about. And thats something really missing with todays games. Customizing a single player-multiplayer skirmish type game was really the pinnacle of TA, with some online multiplayer on the side, and great campaigns as well. If you were born in the 80s or earlier (87 here) than you were part of a lucky group that got to play the ORIGINAL Total Annihilation Boneyards online service. That had to be the best time ever in RTS multiplayer, as it was literally arm vs core across a global landscape, every win/loss for each side mattered, it was like a global multiplayer campaign! There was a map that showed the progress of all online games in the world, and the more that arm or core won, the more global areas in the TA universe that side would own. Ive seen some similar things in other games but, nothing the same in the RTS genre. Its hard to explain to people who werent there to experience it. But damn... this game will forever be the GOAT to me. Graphics aside,,, when it was made aside,,, TA stood the test of time. We never 'truly' got a Total Annihilation 2. But the reason for that i think was, we had infinite customization for this game anyways, so we kind of didn't need it. They made 2 expansion packs, and during its lifetime they constantly upgraded it and added more units until we finally ended up with the final legendary 3.1 patch. Oldschool TA players should also remember, the original super units pack for this game was called TAUIP, with TAUIP 2.1 being the standard back then, far before we got 100s of mods and unit packs and all that. TAUCP ended up being created by the same guy, Malcolm Lim, and its final version 2.3, in my opinion is still the standard for the most balanced and greatest classic mods for this game. There have been some insane developments over the years but, If you want to mod TA, this is the perfect one to start out with as a bare bones mod to work on and customize. There are many newer mods with better crazier features but, IDK, it's the OG of perfect mods to me.
I see the graphics has aged a bit but I wonder if I could still play it today.
Yooo and its platform independent. Even has Linux support!