I 100% agree with Love and AB on this one. That was 100% calculated. She knew that statement would have backlash, become a meme etc. it’s for sure to keep people talking about them and to keep them in the headlines. They know it wasn’t bad enough to be canceled or really even lose fans. And I also wouldn’t doubt this whole Kanye drama is also to help their show. It’s all just really sus so much drama is happening right before their show airs. Put the pieces together guys!
@@Kigoz4Life there’s literally no way for us to confirm that was even real. or fake. stop saying things matter of fact when none of us actually know. they are reality tv stars. i would be more inclined to believe they all actually get along and just do this for more attention.
I just re-watched the part where Hila and Ethan shot down Love and A.B.'s point of view. I realized that Hila started taking it personal. This conversation was not about the Kardashian's anymore, it was about all the accusations Hila and Ethan have had over the last year. I agree with Love, this is about a Billion dollar Brand which happens to be a Family Business.
Agreed!!! She was taking it personally and only thinking of her own personal experiences. It was disappointing how rudely she was speaking of PR people, just bc she met with people who were incompetent (in her mind) does not mean she knows better than every PR person out there lol. Highly underestimated the access the Kardashuans have
@@shannonL0 its so out of touch for them to think that they have any insight on PR on the Kardashian level. They are youtubers at the end of the day I don't understand how they felt like they could talk about this so confidently... very entitled. With peace and love, this is coming from a big fan
Exactly! Just because Hila and Ethan would never want to intentionally get bad publicity, it doesn’t mean celebrities and/or people in power don’t. Think of politicians as a prime example, they will say hyperbolic, out of touch things all the time to get an inflammatory response and get publicity, because when you are at that level of fame and power, good acts don’t get as much attention. All publicity is good publicity to them. Hila started taking it personally because I’m sure going through drama and getting hate is incredibly hard, and it’s taken a toll on their family, and she can’t imagine that people would go through that willingly. But what they are neglecting to see is that that’s the Kardashians brand, that’s exactly how they have stayed relevant over the years. Talking down to the crew and using their “experience” over them was uncomfortable to watch and I hope they still have enough self awareness and humility to reflect on that and apologize to the crew later. They need to put the crew first over their pride and personal feelings on this.
I’m starting to see what people mean when they say Ethan is rude af to AB. He always shoots down what he says. Even if AB is just making a joke Ethan has to pick it apart somehow 🙄
@@elenah8860 Extremely entitled, Hila thinks she's big shit and she deals with PR on the same level as the Kardashians LOL. SO rude to Love and AB looked scared to agree.
i respect Hila’s opinion but the statement “i don’t think you can plan viral moments like this” comes off as naive. The Kardashian’s careers have been built on these viral moments keeping them in public conversation, the point is obviously to do so in a way that doesn’t seem planned or else it wouldn’t work. They’ve had their fair share of scandals and faux paus enough to know how certain things will play out in today’s climate. Kim knows very well there’s an image of her as a sort of spoiled spoon fed celebrity, the whole “Kim there’s people that are dying” meme was based purely on that. I don’t think she’d be stupid enough to completely innocently say no one wants to work just get your ass up and work and not expect the same sort of backlash. The Kardashian’s image and statements as a whole have been extremely calculated for years, as evidenced by their steady position in pop culture for decades now. That doesn’t just happen, most celebrities have a peak or waxing and waning of popularity which is only natural with the constant influx of new celebrities to talk about. But the Kardashian’s have remained, Kris is a mastermind manager she’s very good at what she does and no doubt that mindset and methodology influences her children day to day.
@you cannot be serious i think they are biased from their own personal experience of people accusing them of faking the trisha drama, Ethan even says later that Kim’s sex tape was a publicity stunt but not this. What’s the difference ? Why would they only pull such a thing once and then never again when they know it works.
Also, the media totally grabs ahold of this stuff to make it go viral too. It's not necessarily planned out but they see what they're doing and gladly take the bait and help circulate it because it makes them money too. When Kim says something like that everyone knows it's gonna get clicks, it's to be expected at this point.
Not Hila acting like their drama is comparable to the Kardashians… cmon, y’all are normal people in comparison to that family, AB and love are right: Kris Jenner calculates everything. They dont care about looking stupid to the world if it means publicity
He’s always very in touch with these things. He’s got a way of always giving a good take without ever getting preachy, very good team number, he should speak more!
Ethan and Hila were so weird towards Love and AB - they could be wrong, but they were just trying to make sense of the situation. Really bizarre reaction.
yeah i think hila is def a little triggered and sensitive to the topic bc of the trisha drama and how far and gross it went ppl still were speculating "fake fake" so it's a soft spot but i fully disagree. you can't just shut down someone's very valid opinion bc a vaguely similar situation happened of being accused, youtubers and h3h3 is sooo different from the kardashians. the kardashians are full blown celebs w/ supermodels, tv shows, makeup and clothes companies, i mean so much they've been calculating their every move forever now. what kim said was for sure to get shock value and she knew she'd get a rise out of ppl.
I love how Kim was quoted as saying “would you put a bumper sticker on a Bentley?” When asked about her getting tattooed. What does that make Pete? A Prius?
I can tell AB’s feelings get heart because of how Ethan responds to him often. It seems like he doesn’t want to speak up as much or is debating whether he should or shouldn’t.
I feel like Ethan has always treated him badly, I noticed it for the first time when he talked about having his own Livestream and making a bunch of money in donations off it and Ethan acted so salty about it
I feel like aside from all this, AB generally gets ignored whenever he tries to add in comments here and there compared to Dan where like every comment Dan makes is reacted to?
Ethan and Hila were so confidently wrong about the kardashian thing imo. I think AB and Love are right, these people are richer than you could ever imagine and have built their empire on good PR. They have a whole team dedicated to these stunts, no doubt about it. edit: I love y’all always and the show is the best. Just an observation I made at the end!
yes! and the way ethan was shutting down that all pr ppl are horrible and don't know what they're saying?? ethan has money but not kardashian pr money plus they are well known on a wider scale ofc they know their industries ins and outs and have the best ppl to refer to
Hilas point that the Kardashians could be surrounded by yes people that don't tell them not to say stupid things is valid I think, but I also side more with love and AB
I love hearing what AB and Love have to say, but I’m hoping this doesn’t make them scared to hold their ground when their opinions differ from the majority. Going to miss having Love in the studio!😭
Last time ab said he liked someone ethan didn’t he got death threats from idiots and also made lena terrified. Furthermore ethan apologize to the viewers not to ab or lena which left a very bad taste to me.
Hila seemed so offended by Love saying that Kim was acting in that "get your ass up and work" clip, but do people not remember who she was an assistant to?? She learned that from Paris Hilton who said shit like that all the time for publicity. Paris literally had a reality show based on the concept of being spoiled and having to learn about poor people. Kim also copied the orchestrated sex tape from her. Not a stretch at all for Love to think that. That being said, I don't think the Kanye/Pete stuff is fake.
But Paris was playing into the stereotypical dumb, ditzy blonde act that everyone was portraying her as anyways. Even at the time, there was comedic aspect to it.. She wasn’t spewing tone deaf, offensive things about poor people moreso as she was making fun of her *own* lack of real life experiences and etc. There was nothing comical or shtick about what Kim said.. It got attention because of her total lack of self awareness and zero irony behind it.
@@beebhabie At the time a lot of people didn't think Paris had self awareness, and it was definitely offensive to poor people lol. but either way, it's a matter of opinion. i just think it's weird that Hila took it so personally when Love said that.
interestingly a very famous uk based influencer molly mae just went viral for making very similar comments that kim made. I wonder if they saw how much press molly mae got and wanted to recreate it. I just found it odd how similar the statements were, but maybe its just because all influencers are that delusional
The way love and AB look so awkward like they can’t express their opinions without getting yelled at :( there’s a power difference. You can’t argue with your boss. with peace and love this ruined my night lol because I respect this couple so much
@@jarataka26 Also comparing themselves to the kardashians😬 I mean if you watch KUWTK you can tell everything is staged, it’s not impossible for this to be too
EXCUSE ME? How TF can Ethan and Hila say that Kim was just on the spot doing that interview? Don't we ALREADY know that every interview is sent to the Family before hand? They get to pick and choose which questions they will be asked, therfore they get to sit there and CALCULATE their answers. So yes they have teams on teams sitting there helping them write and rehearse their answers to these "interview questions." I'm with Love and AB. Yall are right, and you know that. Sucks to have to bite your tongue for your boss. But hey, we regular people have to do it everyday too lol.
I like how Love stands his ground on opinions he believes in or could be possible like the staged Kardashian thing. I’ve noticed a few times, which is a cool little addition to the crew.
I believe Dan, Ethan, and Hila were a little quick to shut down Love and AB's theory and didn't give them much chance to speak before arguing over them. To be honest, nobody REALLY knows the full story of Kim, Kanye and Pete, so why shut them down so quick without even trying to hear them out?
He's iterally mentioned having had a complicated relationship with his dad plus some resentment. But maybe its just not at the forefront of his mind so he couldn't make the connection
I’m graduating this April with a BS in Public Relations. There are DEFINITELY PR geniuses that would calculate & pull this off. I can’t even begin to understand Hila & Ethan’s thinking on this, it’s just not true & their blatant disbelief of such a thing is quite shocking. The saying, “any publicity is good publicity” is around for a reason. PR stunts like this happen all the time, especially with the Kardashians. They’re literally the best examples of it. I do think the family is dense, but Kris Jenner and her PR minions are definitely working over time to create scandals to cover up scandals. That isn’t a hard concept to understand - or believe. AGAIN, they CREATE scandals to COVER up scandals. OR create scandals, so that people will tune into their show (that’s been running for 20+ seasons) to get the story from the Kardashians perspective. That’s the reality of what’s happening here… AB & Love, you guys are not wrong about this.
Last take regarding the Kardashian family not setting up stunts like this was pretty terrible on Ethan and Hila's end. They're trying to speak from experience but the kind of bull shit billions can buy compared to thousands is worlds apart. Flat out saying people with Love's take are delusional and fucked up was extremely rude considering that's directed (intentional or not) at Love.
I think so too, and ok maybe it's not that deep for Ethan, but it's cringe, rude and annoying. (And I can still like the show when I find some takes annoying)
Honestly, Ethan & Hila made me feel some type way this time around… having a guest come on & then shutting her down & interrupting her throughout the entire time… she took time out of her own schedule to make it on the podcast, yet the skepticism was more ignorant the way it was portrayed… being opinionated is one thing, but I think she should of been given more respect.. def felt awkward & inconsiderate more than anything. Never felt this way towards them, but kind of gave me a new perspective on how they treat people at times. They embarrassed the poor girl & themselves tbh 😭 peace & love y’all, but ya gotta be more open minded sometimes & look at things from a different point of view, b/c not everything that was said was supposed to be interpreted in a literal sense.
Yeah i mean if they were not willing to have an open mind in the first place then don't invite her at all? if anything it says more about them than the astrologist. Skipped the whole astrology thing and moved on to the next part just to see Ethan and Hila shutting down Love and AB's good reasonable arguments. Was looking forward to this week's afterdark cuz they built it up so much in previous episode but i guess i shouldn't put my expectations too high.
Literally this poor girl was fighting for her life. Just because Ethan doesn't believe it doesn't mean their is no validity in it. I also feel this kinda attitude he has towards his guests is 1000% the reason why people are hesitant about coming onto the show. They can be so rude and humiliate their guests at times.
@@emaired22 Doesn't help that when he got shit for the David Dobrik stuff Ethan and Hila just let him take it because they were so invested with Trisha at the time. I can see why he would be so reserved about being more opinionated.
@@hotsauce5745 i didn’t really like frenimies and tend to skip a lot of them episodes, can u give me a rundown on wat happened to AB in that cancellation thing ?
@@Love-ho8wh darn that was deep. I hope you guys are okay, the internet sucks because people suck and feel much braver to say something online than in person. You guys make my week so much better this is my favorite show on RUclips!
@@ignignokt-6050 regardless if you think she’s credible or not, she was still a guest invited on the show and took extra time for it, they should have treated her with more respect even if they’re being skeptical you can still do that in a respectful way
A little rude? More like a whole lotta rude! She had all of their horoscopes done and they only let her read Ethan and hilas… they were laughing at her and acting really skeptical the whole time, acting really Childish. When Zach asked her “am I going to fk shit up ? It’s a yea or no question” was really condescending and basically telling her not to explain it but just to reduce it to y or no… it’s disgusting and frankly if I was her I would’ve thought a waste of time
@@jelinasnow1604 true honestly. Like she wasn’t credible at all so why even invite her on? Astrology has no credibility and all Ethan wanted to do was make her look like a fool. He’s a POS
Ethan and Hila have accomplished so much and their careers are completely self-made, which makes all that they’ve achieved even more impressive, but they need to humble themselves. Do they really think H3 is at all comparable to the Kardashian-Jenner empire? These are direct quotes from a tone-deaf Hila: “Their staff doesn’t know shit, it doesn’t work like that” “Have you tried working with, like, an agency? Those people don’t know shit about nothing” “We’ve been in drama and we’ve been accused of it too” “Whenever we’ve tried to talk to anybody like that, or work with, it’s like, you really learn that you know way better than all of them” “I think that we’ve seen enough to tell you” Competent PR agencies might be out of H3’s budget, but the Kardashians can definitely afford them
With Peace and Love, Hila talking about how she knows what it's like to be dragged in the media compared to Kim Kardashian is so laughable. Obviously Hila is a talented woman and has made a name for herself by her hard work and skills when it comes to clothing. She is known by millions of people. But Kim is a household name to billions. Kim has a full PR team. This family has perfected the art of staying in the press and constantly being talked about. They knew what questions were going to asked by Variety before the interview (that's normal) so Kim and her team already worked out exactly what Kim was going to say - or at least the main points Kim was going to say so that it sounded less rehearsed. Compared to Kim, Hila is just another joe-shmoe (again with Peace and Love). The Kardashian family is very calculating. They've been doing this and doing it VERY well for over a decade. The Kardashians and their teams know what they are doing. I mean, Khloe posted a photo on Instagram (and they are always SOOO photoshopped to the point where they don't even look like Khloe) but her hand looked SOOOO weird. It made the news, albeit some bullshit new outlets like Buzzfeed, but still. They pay people to edit their photos. Khloe wouldn't have posted that picture of her hand looking like Voldemort's hand unless she was trying to get attention and publicity. IDK if she had some new TV show or some bullshit to sell to her fans. But the hand thing was on purpose, 100%. Hila just hasn't worked with very competent PR people it seems like. But I'm proud of Love for standing his ground on his opinion because the dude is exactly right. I appreciated that AB had Love's back even though he backed off to avoid getting possibly cancelled haha!
ETHAN AND HILA THINKING THEY ARE EVEN ON THE SAME LEVEL THE KARDASHIANS IS HILARIOUS . LOVE AND AB ARE SOOOOOO RIGTH , they were so condescending to them, it was painful to watch Love and AB excusing their thinking when they were actually ON POINT. 🥴🥴🥴 but oh okay
Ethan yelling at the interviewer to be quiet after inviting someone on to create and read all your charts but he wouldn’t be quiet long enough or listen when she or anyone else tried to explain to him that this is a life chart not a monthly horoscope … he didn’t let her finish his own chart or even start anyone else’s.. This is the first time an episode frustrated me so badly I’ve never seen him act so rude to a guest..
yea i felt really bad for Maren when he was digging, i understand its a schtick of his but she takes a lot of pride in what she does & explained herself & the subject extremely well, including why it's discredited so widely. I wanted to hear the other crew members' charts & instead we sort of got ethan worrying more about food & Maren looking like she wanted to cry 💀
@@Empathy-and-resilience i totally disagree with astrology and crypto but still.. maren was so kind and took a lot of time and preparation to do this segment. and the way ethan cut her off constantly was very infuriating. apart from who she is, i dont think this was appropriate at all
Hila and Ethan were so obnoxious at the end. They don’t have a lot of self awareness since they often directly accuse people of clout chasing and manipulating media. I love them but it was tough to watch Hila shutting Love down so intentionally.
The girl who spoke on horoscopes was actually really enlightening (forgive me, I'm forgetting her name). I'm a pretty big nonbeliever when it comes to all of that stuff, and am typically pretty annoyed by people who do nothing but go on & on about it. But she spoke so eloquently, and was so well-articulated & well-studied, that she really opened my mind a lot to some new perspectives. Genuinely enjoyed her points a lot, and it was all presented in a way that was very easily digestible and well illustrated. I always appreciate someone's passion when they approach an argument with the confidence they've put into their craft/studies. Really wish Ethan would pull back sometimes and not interject so much with what he thinks is funny and will get a laugh from the crew (Dan). Just common courtesy in conversation to at least let people finish their sentences and their thoughts when they're clearly trying to go somewhere larger with it and move forward.
Hila and Ethan pulling “trust me we have been through this…” is irrelevant because they are nowhere near Kanye and Kims fame and the way it works for them. They cant compare their experience because its simply just not the same.
Ethan, if you’re ever curious why people aren’t coming on your show, you might wanna look back at this video 😔 so disappointing cause I love H3 and it’s gotten me through some pretty hard days, but yeah this one was tough to watch ✌🏼 and ❤️
EXACTLY. I’m a big fan and not hating at all but man they need to take a step back and evaluate their takes and how they treat people 🥴🥴🥴 makes me not want to watch tbh
I even felt bad during the astrology call in.. she kept getting interrupted by Ethan and they didn't even get to talk about the crews signs :( (besides Ethan asking when Zach was going to die..)
@@asiablair9555 yeah i thought it was going to be a fun lighthearted segment where they go through each of the crew’s horoscopes and have fun but it was just Ethan being so incredibly rude to the Astrologer and interrupting her.
Imo it was just a debate. Sure they could have let them talk more but they weren't like mean or anything to them. It's just debating. But I agree with AB and Love here
This is a bit harsh but it appears most people agree which I’m happy to see.. Hila literally doesn’t talk for a majority of the episode. Couldn’t even respond to what the astrologer had to say about her chart and had to ask Ethan what he thought to end the awkward silence- yet is so opinionated about something nobody knows for fact. Love and AB repeat there is no way they can know anything for sure and it’s just an idea. But Hila and Ethan think they know for fact because they’ve been through RUclips drama? World wide celebrity publicity is so much different. Ethan thinks people aren’t “competent” enough to be so calculated, but if people can think of the conspiracies after an event, there are people that are high up enough in the world to have the same idea originally and actually carry them out. It’s also just cringe to watch them be so demeaning to anyone with a different opinion. No one can question them but everyone else is belittled and called paranoid. Whole vibe is off tbh. Props to the astrologer for being so professional. That segment could have been good if Ethan would have given her even 1/2 of the respect he gave peanut butter Craig.
i had these same exacr thoughts. it looked like hila was even rolling her eyes during the ep until what Love said. and the multi billionare dollar kardashian empire dont strategize click bait moments before there new season comes out. gtfoh if you think they dont. hila and ethan didnt show themselves in a good light on this ep. and i was like, let people talk! shit!
Love: "I dont think they're braindead" *record scratch* Then hila saying "have you ever tried working with an agency? Cmon. Those people don't know shit about nothing" No, Love hasn't. I think they're embarrassed that he went out there with that opinion. They don't believe that & they dont want people to think they do. As ethan said its "too paranoid". Its not specifically &/or just embarrassing but it hits a huge insecurity & the response is gross
I mean, I love Hila and I like Ethan but these are the same people who watch reality TV show and think it’s real. I miss the old H3/ Ethan & Hila days where they just made funny videos
I think the reading on Hilas sexuality or whatever and how it was rebellious to the norm doesn’t mean she’s bi but that she’s in a straight relationship but challenging the “norms”. Hence why everyone keeps referring to Ethan as Hilas husband because she’s the boss in their relationship. The astrologer deserved more respect.
I agree with Love, what Kim said is basic outrage marketing. Anger travels further online than anything else. Either that or she’s been listening to Gary Vee
When I first saw what she said I was outraged as everyone else, but when you stop and think about it- that’s exactly what they want you to do. Their bad publicity gives hype around the show and you can see a pattern with this family that they do stuff like this RIGHT before the new season airs. I think Ethan and hila just centered this around their own experiences and got defensive.
@@emcandi exactly. The only reason I'm even hearing anything about the Kardashians is because of H3 talking about this drama. I knew nothing that was going on with them beforehand, but now I know a new season of their TV show is airing soon, and that show will portray even more of this drama. Same thing with Kim and "Skims" - the only reason I heard about her new company is because of the controversy with her naming it "Kimono" in the beginning
AB & Love are right - the kardashians are absolutely calculated in their drama. they don't care if they receive negative backlash because they're rich and beautiful, they can get away with it and still thrive. it's different than when the average youtuber is involved in drama.
Hila and Ethan thinking that the Kardashians don't set shit up for clout etc is soooooo ignorant. They can't compare their drama situations to this because its on a whole different level and they're such good ppl they can't see how ppl could be so calculated and psycho to get what they want.
I think that’s what it is, Ethan and Hila just can’t fathom it. But there are plenty of rich/well off people who haven’t parlayed that into fame and success like the whole kardashian/jenner family has. Kim always stays in the headlines - for example, her televised wedding to the basketball player (and short lived marriage). Do the Klein’s not think that was calculated? Yes, some scandals happen naturally and Kim may have meant the work statement, but her whole career has been calculated. She (her mother, her team) are marketing geniuses.
100% agree with the crew. The Kardashians have a history of this. And yes there are pr teams who do this. That’s why there’s a saying the devil works hard but Kris Jenner works harder. Peace and love but don’t be rude because someone has a different more insightful opinion than your own.
Can someone please explain to Ethan and Hila that "scripted" doesn't have to mean word for word lines written out for people to say. Reality shows are "scripted" by just asking the right questions to get a certain response out of someone that they can play with in editing. I can definitely see Kris and Kim having a conversation going something like: "let's mention the lack of workers in this interview cause that's a problem for big companies rn like ours."
Exactly reality tv is highly orchestrated. When they said they don’t believe that I couldn’t take them seriously. There are enough bts information how producers orchestrate stuff like that.
any time the subject of reality tv being fake comes up on the show they are usually defensive about it and i think it’s because they both just really enjoy watching reality tv together and want to be able to believe that it is real. which yeah, to your point, the conversations are often real but the plot points are often contrived. but i think accepting that would take a lot of the fun out of it for them so i don’t think that’s gonna happen lol.
@@JennaEmbers True, there are sociology and media books that cover the ethical controversies of reality TV production. It's not a secret and it's well studied. There are literally producers called "fluffers" whose sole job is to rile up participants in shows and encourage meltdowns (mainly on shows like Jeremy Kyle, Maury and Big Brother, but I imagine they're involved in most reality shows). Reading about it tends to make me feel sad for people on these shows, so I get why Ethan and Hila would rather deny and ignore the level of production that goes into reality tv.
The difference between Ethan and Hila not faking drama (except they do with Oliver Tree…) and not being able to hire PR teams to create this type of publicity and KRIS FREAKING JENNER is astronomical. These are two different dimensions, it was infuriating how sure they were when there are numerous cases of the Kardashians doing this. This is WHY they’re famous. AB and Love were 100% right.
@@Georgiopeterson I’m disagreeing with their opinion… You’re bothered by people criticizing an opinion? Maybe use the correct form of you’re before you come for someone, also I’m 25 but good one ✌🏻
The end discussion…just really missed the mark. The conversation was handled very poorly. A fact that still surprises me considering how long Ethan has been doing these podcasts. You’d think he’d have learned how to keep a balanced talk. I think having a private conversation with friends that gets a little heated like that is fine. It happens. But in a professional setting with an audience of thousands watching…I feel like there is some responsibility there for a boss to keep the peace and maintain a safe talking environment. Even if that means taking a step back from strong opinions and trying to keep a level of mutual understanding. It just seems like Ethan wants an echo-chamber of yes men sometimes, and can’t handle disagreeing opinions in a tactful manner. Hila too surprisingly. It has happened a few times in the show where Ethan has undermined his crew in front of thousands. Now I know why they are hesitant to speak out on controversial things. Because their own boss jumps at their throats, never mind the audience lol
right !! everyone points out that they are friends and we don’t see all of their interactions - we know that, but the interactions that we DO see are uncomfortable and awkward and make the show hard to watch
I think he needs to just stop announcing or talking about guests before they come. I get that they wanna hype it up so people watch but it would solve a lot of the problem of guests not wanting to come or people getting all bent out of shape about stuff. Problem would be solved.
I think people forget Ethan was formerly known as a comedian, not a podcaster. So when he rips on guests its not really considered out of the norm in that line of work. It’s how you build a relationship with the audience. I think it might come off as mocking in this setting but he doesn’t mean any harm, it’s just how he tests the waters.
I'm with Love and AB: there is a difference between faking a divorce/drama and being smart about when to let the world know that you are going through a divorce, and letting the media know: I don't see a problem with that theory, both Kim and Kanye are adults who are biz-savvy, and are surrounded by biz-savvy people.. Also, she can believe what she's saying AND being told what to say by her PR, they know how to ramain on people's tongues after all. They grew up on TV screens and they're still as famous and rich as ever
Yeah this is the first time I've cringed at Hila and Ethan in a long time. The Kardashian family is on a whole other level than either of them are. Their experience is irrelevant, you guys are not on the same playing field. Please stop coming at the crew so hard, it makes both of you look terrible.
the fact that ethan and hila think that the kardashians can't plan viral moments, because they are not able to is what's delusional. you guys are not comparable to the Kardashians. peace and love.
Olivia thank you so much for trying to stand up for Pete's mh, specifically BPD. You're like the only person I've heard speak about it so respectfully and with a real understanding. Obviously having BPD isn't an excuse for anything that was done or said wrong but people assume those with BPD are always going to be purposefully abusive and it hurts. It's a personality disorder that can't be helped and a lot of people who suffer from BPD, myself included, are horrified by the things we've said and done and wouldn't do them on purpose. Like if I didn't have BPD I would never lash out as harshly as I have in the past, I don't enjoy being a dick and losing friends over and over again and it's just nice to hear a liiittle bit of validation and understanding 😭💕
I love Maren it was hard to watch the segment because it felt like Ethan wasn’t really hearing her out and I think she started to get anxiety and I was like yikes.
Watching Ethan and Hila shut down Love and AB’s argument about Kim was so frustrating. The Kardashians are literal billionaires. Their PR team is on another level compared to the ones RUclipsrs have. And Ethan just kept saying that he KNOWS it wasn’t a publicity stunt. But in reality, he doesn’t! No one does except that family. I really wish Ethan and Hila would listen to their crew, instead of disregarding their opinions just because they don’t agree.
SO FRUSTRATING, outrage marketing for reality TV is as old as when Paris Hilton did The Simple Life. Saying something dumb goes a long way. I'm pretty sure Ethan was shutting down because he was hungry. ✊ Love was right
Don’t give Kim this much credit. She for sure actually thinks that way and truly thinks she sounded bad ass saying that lmao that whole family is remedial, the dumb sh*t they say is really just dumb sh*t that they say.
@@denizypinarci omg you’re so right!! Trisha is an amazing example of outrage media clout. It’s the same act and formula except the kardashians are even more calculated
The way Ethan and Hila felt defensive to say that these things weren’t planned kinda gave the implication that they are in a close enough proximity class or social wise to understand their mindset which is such a far off take and just not correct, They are not in a league comparable to the kardashians. the Kardashians do have massive groups of people around them much smarter than them, they have the smartest group of people surrounding them
lmao and they keep comparing their drama to the kardashian’s. its like totally different worlds. even their point that theyre trying to make doesnt make sense like if ur drama is real doesnt make all drama real or unplanned. just funny logic and kinda stupid ngl
It's really privileged to say hila isn't well-traveled, when she is from israel, where she goes back to regularly, has lived in new york, different places in california, has been to europe, mexico, thailand... most people don't ever leave their home country, they don't ever get on an air plane or see the ocean.
i agree. we are the same age but she has traveled a lot more than i am. just because she's not going somewhere every weekend doesnt mean she isnt well traveled.
this is crazy because ethan and hila are great but their level of celebrity and fame is absolutely nowhere close to the kardashians. they have no way of knowing how the kardashian PR teams operate because they’re not at that level. the kardashians are known for having super calculated responses to everything and crazy skilled PR teams. not to mention how they have been working with their teams for years now and i’m sure have tailored and refined a group of people to curate the perfect team. they have all had countless cancelable offenses and they’re still around… how are you not attributing this to very smart pr teams. i’m not saying everything is calculated whatsoever. i think most crazy things said by these celebrities is off the cuff. however, this theory is not as absurd as you might think. like i’m just not sure how you can completely discredit calculated moves like this at their level of fame.
they at LEAST have some idea of how pr actually works, more than the regular person. sure its probably not at kardashian level, but i'm sure they know some bit of what they're talking about.
Agreed. The back and forth with Hila, AB, and Love made me extremely uncomfortable. AB’s voice cracked because he was uncomfortable, and Love had to back down. This doesn’t happen when Hila isn’t there. Hila seems to have found herself and I love that for her, but she’s not bringing anything positive to this show anymore, just bringing it down. Her CEO-mom girl boss routine ruins the pod. When she barks at the crew they can’t stand up for themselves because she’s their employer and they clearly don’t have the rapport with her like they do Ethan. It’s very awkward to watch.
It's fair to say that Ethan and Hila don't know what it's like at that level of celebrity, but at the same time that also applies to all of us, who probably have substantially less knowledge of the power of celebrity PR teams than Ethan and Hila do. Like, they have some level of celebrity, they've spoken to PR people. We have not. So I think perhaps we also need to check our own egos in this discussion. Like, c'mon, it's not that hard to commit "cancelable offenses" and stick around.
I feel like Ab and Love were shut down immediately and I don't understand why. Why can't they express their point of view which I thought was interesting. Love said he is just putting the thought out there so why were Ethan, Hila and Dan so opposed to him saying what he thinks. I really can't enjoy a debate where only one side is allowed to speak and not the other. I would love if the crew could just speak without being interrupted, judged or shut down. I really don't enjoy the podcast when it doesn't allow for a proper discussion to take place. I would not be comfortable working in a place where my opinion is belittled.
Not to mention guests too! I actually felt kinda bad for the astrologer, because she really seems to have belief and passion in what she does, only to have jokes made about it with side glances and shouting over her when she was trying to talk- which she met with dignity and respect. Whether you believe in the opinion/ belief or not, you shouldn't talk over your guests. I was very surprised at Hila for not listening to Love's opinion, as she's usually a bit more fair and balanced, (but she's just had a baby and that messes with your body and hormones, so that may explain it a little, but not excuse it). People need to learn to have calm discussions with those they disagree with, instead of shutting them down straight away. I'm glad to see that most comments agree that they shouldn't have talked that way to the crew though. Genuinely, I felt really awkward for Love and AB. Maybe Dan shouldn't have stepped in to question Love rhetorically (as I understood it), like he did. Also- I agree with Love. That doesn't make us conspiracy theorists, we just don't take everything at face value - ESPECIALLY when people stand to make a profit!
They argue over how hard it is to calculate such a large PR stunt, am I the only one here thinking... It's not exactly that complicated of a PR move. During the lockdown, Kim got backlash for being out of touch due to her wealth when she had her birthday party on the secluded island. This was likely accidental backlash. Then someone notices that and says, "hey, this story was everywhere, wasn't it? Why don't we just do it again to stir up buzz for the show & control the narrative?" They do just that with a generic 'poor women don't work hard' statement' then add an anti-feminist tint on top for good measure and would you look at that, the same outcome as last time, but this time tied into a show promotion. I disagree that there aren't genius media manipulation people out there in traditional media, but even besides that... It's hardly a big brain chess move. It's literally recreating something that ALREADY happened. Kim & her team have done bigger than this before. The scale of this is being overblown by Ethan & Hila quite substantially & yet everyone's arguing like that premise they gave is true.
It’s getting hard to watch this when Ethan never shuts up when talking over guests. I wanted to hear the crews horoscopes too, and the woman doing the readings looked so irritated. I get making fun of people but it seemed in bad taste. Also, AB and Love are totally right about Kardashians manufacturing drama. Ethan and Hila thinking they know how it works when they both are very niche celebrities is low key kind of insane. The kardashians are a huge brand, A list celebrities who have managers that wouldn’t even work with Hila and Ethan, y’all need to eat humble pie lol
Here’s the comment I left “ To CREW I’ve been a HUGE FAN OF ALL OF YOU - WAY BEFORE CHANNEL GOT BIG / props for that 👋🏻 To :Ethen I’m not sure WTF you’re on... With all due respect. You are becoming… , Or are just more comfortable now days, your need to be correct & get validation, your need to check the crew & calling them out if they’re like “ no bro… that’s too much” you speak of many people ( ALL THE TIME !! find something else that’s actually important or fun… or NEW… & explore new subjects ) it’s making you look extremely self- regarding & completely out of touch with everyone ( besides your family -ovi-) IMPORTANT ADVICE: !!!!!READ THE ROOM ETHEN!!!!! 🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸 YOUR CREW DOESN’T LIKE TO BE RUDE OR TALK AS MUCH ŠŠHïT AS YOU DO. They’re always moving away from a subject you beat like a dead horse! on a DAILY basis. For a while now. The best thing to happen to you was being kicked off RUclips for a moment. The fact that your crew has to watch what they say, bc you will attack them while live, & you shut them up with some lame joke “lol” type of shit, speak over them.. & than they laugh it off bc you pay them. If those were your real friends, they’d most likely tell you that 1. your jokes are getting old 2. You need to let everyone have an opinion even if they don’t agree with you 3. Stop stretching out stories, your obsession with keem & kavanough is getting old. Most of us watching can almost always predict that we will hear about keem, who I, personally think is nothing & you talk about him as if He is, if your audience doesn’t like keem, stop fking talking about him & find a cool subject to talk about, interesting, smart. 4. You’re basically becoming a tea channel on drugs. 5. When people call in LIVE show them some respect. Understand that they’re not in a studio with a whole. Crew ready to fire & be funny ( sound bites included) It’s cruel. You seem to enjoy making others look bad . The lovely girl who called in ( astrologer ) was so caught off guard by your none stop insulting words & horrible demeanor … belittled her to the point that her poor voice was cracking. Asking her if there’s any credentials, as if she couldn’t say THE SAME THING BACK. “ so why do I have to listen to you, aren’t you just like a regular post cast & all the information you say, Google & the whole world already knows” you’re a total jerk for that. But the dude that calls in on Fridays ( WC DAVE) a character from Beavis & Butthead, screams “ vooooobaby fk fk fk voooo “ like it’s some EXCITING VIBE. It’s Anoying as FCK Ethen. I fast forward that part EVERY FRIDAY. Sounds like SHIT on headphones / just fyi. Says a lot about you, you cheer on this dude who says 2 words on repeat- but a girl humbly going on your show, gets humiliated. You Owe her an apology. You’re a hypocrite, you talk about being all chill & you’re the cool dad brah, PEACE & LOVE bs. while at the same time putting others down just bc you think THE OLDEST way of reading & understanding life is a bunch of BS. Your own crew felt bad…. They basically apologized to her - for you! at the end. AB you’re kind & thank you for giving her a break from the embarrassment Ethen caused her in front of 1000’s viewers, good thing you don’t kiss azz ( like a few of them do ) I almost turned it off bc it’s was so sad to hear how carelessly you could think of someone’s life & passion. No wonder you’re losing subs. Let me remind you, MORE THAN HALF THESE LISTENERS LOVE THE CREW, more than you. If I were you I’d TAKE THE HUBMLE PIECE OF PIE YOU !STILL!TALK ABOUT /// & EAT IT. Come back down to earth, you were much cooler when you didn’t have to tell us every 20 minutes. “
Love and AB are by far the most realistic and intelligent when it comes to this stuff. They understand the lies and manipulation and don’t see the things the way they WANT you to. This Kim situation, and even the drama occurring with Kanye is 100% a PR stunt, or at-least most of it is. It’s crazy to think that some people believe and fall into the lies. Yes, some truth can be behind the scenes of these situations, but this is the most famous family in the world. They are protected more than almost ANYONE. Ofcourse their are professionals included lol. It’s mind-boggling to think some people don’t believe that? Peace and love tho.
I would also give credit to Ian’s take. Not excusing Kanye’s behaviour but I agree with the insight that his mental state and public antics are almost inextricably linked to his process of creating art, which is why it seems easy to chalk it up and write it off as convenient timing. Isn’t he bipolar type I or something?
I knew this would come back to bite Ethan and Hila back when they were arguing with everyone about the Bachelor and reality tv not being super staged and shit😂
he is worth almost 7 billion usd, more than most if not all the Kardashians and untreated for bipolar, IMHO he can get away with almost anything and let's be real does he really need the PR? I think he's just unhinged and out of touch
i think it’s a bit naive to assume that the kardashians don’t have a heavily integrated PR team always at their back, basically orchestrating everything they should or shouldn’t say, post or shouldn’t post. you’re talking about one of the most famous, powerful families ever. i had a hard time listening to them shoot down AB and Love because i think they are right in saying it could definitely be a “stunt”. it is absolutely wild to think about yes, but come on here folks it’s drama and drama gets attention and whether it’s negative or positive, they don’t care, it’s attention period.
There’s no such thing as PR geniuses????? Ethan and Hila do realize that the Kardashians went from some random rich kids that no one knew, to arguably some of the MOST famous people in the WORLD. Such a weird take from Ethan & Hila.
EXACTLY! I cringe at the fact that Hila thinks she's equivalent to the Kardashians. The team that the Kardashians has (in my opinion) are geniuses, because the Kardashians are famous for doing the bare minimum lol they're literally known for being famous for being famous at this point.
That Kardashian convo got real tiring before the end. Was stressing me hear Ethan and Hila get defensive at AB and Love saying they been accused of making fake beef before when it's not true and I'm sat here like wtf is all this Oliver Tree stuff that's been going on 😂 😂
Yooo, fr though. Of course the Oliver Tree stuff is so blatantly a joke, but it’s still a form of PR drama that both teams calculated and coordinated beforehand. I never thought about that until now. Good point.
It also was frustrating to here them talk about how it's impossible for people to do or say negative things that would cause them trouble when they literally just covered the arrest of Jessie smollet who orchestrated a hate crime him self
Very true, I got a defensive vibe from them, as if they were feeling called out for doing that same stuff and in response acted kinda in-denial/gaslighty about it all, bit weird
@@cherrybanana8534 I think they were being defensive but not because they felt called out. When frenemies ended for example, a lot of people were calling it a publicity stunt even though it wasn't. I think they took it personally because they hated when that was happening because it actually was tearing their family apart. But with that being said, that doesn't justify how they acted. And omg I can't believe that compared ab and loves line of thinking as those who think 911 was an inside job. That was such a crazy overreaction.
I’m with Love and AB here. Hila and Ethan are nowhere near the Kardashian’s level of celeb status so their experiences with PR will be completely different. The Kardashians have literally built an empire through being fake. Their bodies. Their lives. Their family relationships. It’s all adapted and refined for the best profit. If Kim really wanted to, I’d say she had all the power and means to shut Kanye’s social media down (which is what I’d do if my kids were constantly being involved). She hasn’t done so because her image is benefiting from how public Kanye is wilding out. And while I think her thoughts on people not working may be what she truly feels, I also think they intentionally included that interview clip to stir up some drama. Kris is known as being a very calculating business woman. They have scripted interviews, talk show and paparazzi interactions for years. Watch now as Kim makes a public apology and becomes an advocate for helping the unemployed.
Part of what makes that family interesting to everyone is how out of touch they are. They come off larger than life and that can work for them with both positive and negative attitudes. I totally agree they intentionally kept the clip in and knew it would pop off!!
Hila and Ethan should be ashamed of themselves on how they treat their employees. And Hila saying Kim has "Yes Men" around... Have you looked around your studio? All you guys do is hire fans. Which I'd argue is unethical too. It creates a toxic power dynamic.
Travis was literally involved with people being stomped until they were unalive at his show less than 6 months ago, and were here talking about Kim, Ye, Pete, and that whole circus. If that doesn't tell you that every move the Kardashians make is deliberate and planned, idk what else could.
also, right around the same time of astroworld, we got flooded with pics of Travis Baker and Kourtney, to get people to talk about them and not astroworld.
@@QTpatootie95 can’t you insult someone without dragging a whole group of disabled people into it? Adding “with peace and love” doesn’t make something less offensive.
Yeah. Ethan ranting about how no one is competent enough to do all this just made me think about Kris Jenner and how she literally built an empire around her daughters. Like she knows what she's doing.
Well this episode was…. Interesting, to say the least. I firstly don’t understand how you can deliberately invite someone to your show and then act like you don’t want anything to do with them. And the fact that Ethan and Hilda has never had any good experiences with PR-teams says absolutely NOTHING in this case. I love H3 and have been a fan since the Humongous era, but they are “only” RUclipsrs. Of course they don’t have they don’t hold the same standard as the Kardashians. Tone deaf, and also the way they speak to the crew sometimes, especially A.B.
The end was wack. Love was so on point. Kardashians are fully curated every second of the day to say and do what will keep their names at the front of conversations ESPECIALLY when they are launching something like the new show.
@@ThugDestroyer I know they believe what they say but I also know that what is seen about them publicly is not authentic and off the cuff. I don’t think she is reading off a giant poster board with the words written out for her but they do get questions ahead of time to sit and think about what answers to provide. They are a brand and brand perception is controlled by marketing teams. She can believe what she says and also have a team to help keep every word she says at the top of every conversation in the country.
@@ThugDestroyer bro you’re under everyone’s comments telling them they “missed the point”. but most people are actually upset that ethan and hila comparing themselves to the kardashians and the disrespect they showed ab and love calling them paranoid conspiracy theorists as well as the uncomfortable astrology segment
@@ThugDestroyer obviously the lardashians are entitled literally no one is debating that. but kim’s entire career is built upon pr stunts. and “sensitive”? this podcast is uncomfortable to watch and an overwhelming majority agree w that sentiment. if the audience finds the podcast unwatchable the crew should know about it so they can find a way to accommodate their viewers
With peace and love Ethan and Hila’s “trust me I know” attitude rubbed me the wrong way. Ethan and Hila completely shut them down. Their drama and the Kardashians drama are on two different levels. The Kardashians are known for good and bad attention
Hila and Ethan should be ashamed of themselves on how they treat their employees. And Hila saying Kim has "Yes Men" around... Have you looked around your studio? All you guys do is hire fans. Which I'd argue is unethical too. It creates a toxic power dynamic.
LOVE AND AB FTW!!! Go against the family boys. Hila and Ethan aren’t right point blank. Love these comments about it. Hila talks about “yes people” being around them yet that’s exactly what they expect Love and AB to be whenever they say their opinions. Love the queen but Hila needs to take a step back with peace and love…
No, Love and AB are right. Everything they do and say is so calculated and rehearsed. Ethan and Hila comparing their dramas/controversies to the kardashians is irrelevant. It is a whole different playing field. Their entire careers have been built on their personality and drama. It can be both something she believes and planned, which I believe it is both.
Exactly! Kardashian careers were shaped by tabloids. It started before the whole RUclips thing too. Love Ethan and Hila but their drama and PR attempts are different. With peace and love ❤️
omg thank you!! they kept speaking over AB and Love and saying shit like “that’s not how the world works” but then they use Logan Paul, a RUclipsr, and the Suicide Forest Incident, some thing much more drastic than Kim’s ignorant statement, as an example. It’s clear that they’re thinking from their RUclipsr lens and not the Hollywood atmosphere where the Kardashians have built their entire enterprise from PR stunts and controversies.
YES! This part really pissed me off. Ethan and Hila seemed to get very defensive as a result of their perspective being bias due to their own personal experiences with being accused of faking drama. They are coming from a RUclipsr perspective as opposed to Hollywood reality TV. I feel like it would have been better for them to hear the guys out instead of interrupting them and speaking down to them. I really didn’t like this conversation because they should be more open to hearing a different perspective and try not to get so defensive. Disagree and having a conversation about the disagreement is great and healthy, but this wasn’t productive. It’s teaching the other party not to speak up because they won’t be heard, even if that is not your intention.
I'm with Love. There's a definitely a chance Kim doesn't believe what she's saying and it's somewhat scripted. Even Ethan was sceptical about Logan Paul's fake pokemon box opening he was saying that might be fake and he's a youtuber. Kim is an A list celebrity so much of her life is a script.
YES there’s no way Kim didn’t think what she said would be controversial. Her whole life people accuse her of being famous for no reason, so there’s no way she believes what she’s saying or thinks it will go down well.
Whether or not she truly believes in it is irrelevant in terms of public backlash. I hold opinions that I know are considered to be widely controversial and yet I wouldn’t make them apparent because it would be obvious that people would find it offensive. The only difference is that I can’t commoditise my remarks like they can.
They really have taken on a VERY Bougie persona lately. I hate it! They used to be so humble and grateful for their fans/following. They really have let their egos run wild. Sad.
i feel like they were comparing because even tho they are way smaller celebrities small dramas they had were so horrible that they can’t even imagine what it’s like on Kardashina’s level
@@sneakysealpuptv9379 to be fair, you barely have two pennies to rub together comparitively. They are a whole lot closer to Kim and Kanye than you are to them
@@soggybiscotti8425 Actually, it's about the same comparatively. Kim alone is worth about 100 times more than Ethan and Hila combined. On top of that, their family has generational wealth and power and is like the most famous family in the world. The Kardashians definitely have access to better PR teams
I was wondering the same it was mostly talking about himself and then telling her how he doesnt believe and the segment was super awk but i still enjoyd it. Would have loved to learn about the others charts though
Hila and Ethan should be ashamed of themselves on how they treat their employees. And Hila saying Kim has "Yes Men" around... Have you looked around your studio? All you guys do is hire fans. Which I'd argue is unethical too. It creates a toxic power dynamic.
With peace and love, I’m glad there’s people who support Ethan and Hila whilst at the same time holding them accountable and calling them out when need be
Hila and Ethan should be ashamed of themselves on how they treat their employees. And Hila saying Kim has "Yes Men" around... Have you looked around your studio? All you guys do is hire fans. Which I'd argue is unethical too. It creates a toxic power dynamic.
Im with Love and AB in the Kardashian part. “Any publicity is good publicity”. I thought Hila and Ethans reaction to Love and AB was very disrespectful.
Because Ethan can't comprehend it, it must not be true. Seems to be his mentality. The crew is 1000% right they script about everything, especially now days
Right, coming from the 2 ppl who watch the bachelor and shit think it's pretty much real, but admitting alot of the drama is fake. So.... How come other reality shows can be faked or atleast orchestrated and Keeping up w the Kardashian's n their new show.... Such a weird take lol but them tag teaming ab and love because they have a different take than them was awkward
I get that Hila finds it frustrating when they're being accused of faking drama, but it's really not comparable. A small controversy of Kim saying something tone deaf is easily forgotten after everyone's talked about it for days, RUclipsrs being at each other's throats it's not the same.
@@BasedGodProdigy I get why, Hila gets so much shit for the littlest things and can probably relate to Kim in that way and wants to give her the benefit of the doubt. Problem is Kim has shown time and time again she doesn't deserve that.
The astrologer deserves more respect. Talking about ordering food in between her call? Talking over her? Why even have her over if you’re going to be close minded the entire time.
I felt bad for her, you could see she was getting annoyed. Love the podcast, but that habit of Ethan talking over people or clowning guests when he doesn't agree with their point of view is :/
i say this with absolute peace and love, this podcast has been my comfort throughout the hardest time of my life… but ab and love deserve an apology and to have their opinion be shown. the thing i love most about this podcast is the relationship between the host and the crew. every other episode i have felt that the energy between each was magnetic and that the crew was allowed to express their thoughts. people can have off days and this was definitely an off day for ethan and hila. regardless love and ab deserve apologies for being shot down in such a demeaning way
Ethan and Hila clearly lost a little touch with reality. Listen to Love more, he is relatable to the audience and thinks like a normal person, not a rich LA celeb.
So true, when he first spoke up about it my thoughts were “wow I was thinking the same exact thing” just to watch him be completely dismissed and shut down repeatedly
Love nailed it. With peace and love it’s a little bizarre to see them compare themselves to the Kardashians … I completely respect their opinion and their experiences but I don’t know that their situation is comparable to the Kris Jenner clan…
Watching after Ethan refused to make apologies and holy shit, the comment section was right. Props to Maren for her professionalism. An incredible eloquent individual. Far more than Ethan lmao
The way their guest was treated was really hard to watch. Cutting her off and talking over her to make jokes was so rude and unnecessary. I’m surprised no one, including Hila, spoke up for her. I love this show, but this really turned me around about how they treat people. I honestly feel sorry for her wasting her time. Wow.
i totally agree. I almost just clicked out of the video. The whole point of the guest is to hear what they have to say not to talk about lunch or constantly interrupt. Ethan just keeps shutting down other people’s ideas in this video and it’s really irritating
I agree. I don’t believe in astrology but I thought it was an interesting segment and it would’ve been interesting to hear about the crews signs too. But Ethan was being rude af and just dismissing her. This is why people don’t want to come on the podcast.
Yeah...i can still tell that Ethan and the crew especially were trying to be respectful to her. I don't believe in astrology but it bothered me that she got cut off so often, her being a guest. Although Ethan does that a lot to anyone I guess...
I am 100% with Love and AB and you should've at least listen to them. And the fact that Kourtney of all said "that's so true" lol. Like she was the one accussed of not running a business from Kim a few years ago and now she is a hard worker because of her copycat Poosh business? No! Probably Kris is a PR mastermind and she is def on another level. She probably hoped Kourt will get some of the heat too.
This is such a stretch to me 🤣i think ethan is more spot on about how kim, like many other rich people, really do believe that their more superior because they “work hard” than anyone
I agree with Love and AB about the Kardashians. Mega famous people orchestrate things and relationships all the time. Jennifer Aniston is a good example. She disappears between projects, but when she has something to promote just before the project drops, she's all of a sudden in a new relationship, getting dumped or sad about not being a mother and all over magazines. It would not surprise me at all if the Kardashians were manufacturing scandals. They are also well known for using new relationships and pictures of the children, going as far to photoshop kids into family outings, as a distraction method from the real scandals.
As a long time fan way before the Podcast this episode kinda hurt, not gonna lie. The call was horrible, I felt bad for the Astrologer - you really should not talk like that to a working class person who took extra time out of their day to prepare all of this. Acting like that towards AB and Love was painful aswell. I always thought the working environment must be super nice at H3, but those past episodes some crew members seemed kind of intimidated and held back a lot. Comes off a bit tense, ngl. The crew dynamic really makes the show, but only works if everyone can express their opinion. Ethan and Hila's judgement is clouded and tone-deaf recently - I dont know if its just stress with the baby & co. or just classism - but you guys gotta work this out or the show will drop in quality fast.
Interrupting her to talk about their lunch order was beyond cringe. And talking down to AB and Love about the planned Kardashian drama was soooo hard to watch. How does Hila really think their RUclips drama is on the same level as Kim Kardashian?
Have to agree with a lot of points made in several comments: astrology interview being hard to watch when it felt like she wasn't being taken seriously and without the respect you might expect to get when being a guest on a show, as well as the last part with the incredibly intense criticism of AB & Love's argument from Ethan and Hila. I have been a fan for over 5 years and still is a massive one, always watching every episode when it comes out and even rewatches a lot of content from time to time, but, I would really appreciate if the podcast actually highlights some of the recurring (negative) patterns which Ethan specifically follows. And with perhaps even mentioning certain feedback on these kinds of videos we could all come to an understanding where this doesn't happen as much and it would really feel comforting to know that the audience is being involved and listened to when it comes to future segments. Would hate for people to be turning away from the podcast because of such things like this when they really are so amazing 99% of the time, and when it could easily be avoided.
Damn. I’m a huge h3 stan but I want to take a break after this episode. I literally said out loud to my tv “let her speak” during the astrologers segment. So sad to watch her be talked over and shut down, it’s okay to be skeptical but damn the disrespect was too gnarly for me. Turned me off in a major way :/
He does that a lot … it’s a character flaw for sure. One time he had a fan call in to discuss why he no longer enjoyed the podcast like he used to and Ethan just kept cutting him off, talking over him, and being rude af. And the guy was soooo polite and respectful. It made him look like a total douche. lol I’ve come to realize that Ethan really just can’t help himself and I have to accept that part of him if I’m going to enjoy the content because I honestly don’t see him changing. I do believe strongly that ethans a good guy overall and he means well, but when he gets hype about something and thinks he knows all and he’s right it IS such a turnoff. Like be a little more humble bro you don’t always have to be f*cking right 🙄
Why is it so hard for Ethan and Hila to believe that the Kardashians could intentionally manufacture drama for publicity? Isn't TRISHA a prime example of someone that says dumb or outrageous things just to start drama and get views?
I’ve been reading comments about how Hila took it so personally because going through the Trisha drama was hell for them. Ethan and hila may not have been faking any of it, but I’m sure Trisha was and they just never realized it because they just lumped all her antics in with her BPD symptoms. Trisha is probably hate watching this ep right now and laughing at the irony of it all
@@Junitunes Trisha's motive for them falling out is something only she knows, but what we do know factually is that Trisha frequently said absurd things on the show that are provably false for attention, like her not knowing what the Holocaust was, lying about the dog she was given, lying about the teacher. That's not even including the off-air stuff that was as dumb as Kim's comment, of which she's been saying for years for attention like: being gay is a choice, supporting Mitt Romney, making fun of trans people and then lying about it etc. If Ethan doesn't get it by now and genuinely thinks people like Kim are genuinely dumb, then he's choosing not to see it. He literally already fell for this before. Even outside the toxic stuff, Mr Beast and Ludwig have spoken about the art form of calculation when making content and media/PR.
I’m incredibly confrontation avoidant, I get so much second hand embarrassment or anxiety that I physically have to turn stuff off. The podcast has allowed me to be privy to sometimes uncomfortable conversations, which has helped me a lot. For that, I’m really grateful! This episode, however, was more than I could handle. The amount of volatility, talking over one another, disregarding others opinions (whether it be the Crew’s or the Astrologers)… it just really cut me deep. The astrology bit was especially hard, as Ethan’s behavior made me kinda sad. I don’t want to project my own trauma on the situation- but Ethan’s quick remarks after the astrologer would say something followed by him immediately looking over to the crew for laugh validation reminded me of getting bullied in high school. It seemed like Ethan felt super out of his element here, which I can respect and would’ve felt the same. But instead of approaching this with a genuine interest in learning a new point of view and using that nervous energy to grow, it manifested as insecurity that led him to become overbearing in conversation and unkind towards other’s perspectives. Everyone here is human, no one deserve’s to be crucified over this. I appreciate that these comments are as loving as they are critical. I’m hopeful that next episode we get some time devoted to discussing the mishaps of this ep and reconciling.
You sound like you need to chill and grow a skin thicker than .00001 millimeters. “waaaa they’re clowning an astrologer waaa”. Give me a break shes an astrologer and known scammer look her up before getting in your feelings duke.
I hope Ethan addresses how he acted towards AB, Love and the astrologist on Monday. It was very disrespectful to belittled AB and Love for their opinions and was very rude to cut off your guest. No wonder they can’t get anyone on the show. I love this show it has been getting my through college but this episode just wasn’t a vibe.
I 100% agree with Love and AB on this one. That was 100% calculated. She knew that statement would have backlash, become a meme etc. it’s for sure to keep people talking about them and to keep them in the headlines. They know it wasn’t bad enough to be canceled or really even lose fans. And I also wouldn’t doubt this whole Kanye drama is also to help their show. It’s all just really sus so much drama is happening right before their show airs. Put the pieces together guys!
time stamp?
yes!
@@Kigoz4Life there’s literally no way for us to confirm that was even real. or fake. stop saying things matter of fact when none of us actually know. they are reality tv stars. i would be more inclined to believe they all actually get along and just do this for more attention.
@@Kigoz4Life yeah because all he does is cause drama.
I don't agree or disagree with you, but their show is ending. So what'll the excuse be then if not to keep their ratings up?
I just re-watched the part where Hila and Ethan shot down Love and A.B.'s point of view. I realized that Hila started taking it personal. This conversation was not about the Kardashian's anymore, it was about all the accusations Hila and Ethan have had over the last year. I agree with Love, this is about a Billion dollar Brand which happens to be a Family Business.
Agreed!!! She was taking it personally and only thinking of her own personal experiences. It was disappointing how rudely she was speaking of PR people, just bc she met with people who were incompetent (in her mind) does not mean she knows better than every PR person out there lol. Highly underestimated the access the Kardashuans have
@@shannonL0 its so out of touch for them to think that they have any insight on PR on the Kardashian level. They are youtubers at the end of the day I don't understand how they felt like they could talk about this so confidently... very entitled. With peace and love, this is coming from a big fan
Exactly! Just because Hila and Ethan would never want to intentionally get bad publicity, it doesn’t mean celebrities and/or people in power don’t. Think of politicians as a prime example, they will say hyperbolic, out of touch things all the time to get an inflammatory response and get publicity, because when you are at that level of fame and power, good acts don’t get as much attention. All publicity is good publicity to them.
Hila started taking it personally because I’m sure going through drama and getting hate is incredibly hard, and it’s taken a toll on their family, and she can’t imagine that people would go through that willingly. But what they are neglecting to see is that that’s the Kardashians brand, that’s exactly how they have stayed relevant over the years.
Talking down to the crew and using their “experience” over them was uncomfortable to watch and I hope they still have enough self awareness and humility to reflect on that and apologize to the crew later. They need to put the crew first over their pride and personal feelings on this.
I’m starting to see what people mean when they say Ethan is rude af to AB. He always shoots down what he says. Even if AB is just making a joke Ethan has to pick it apart somehow 🙄
@@elenah8860 Extremely entitled, Hila thinks she's big shit and she deals with PR on the same level as the Kardashians LOL. SO rude to Love and AB looked scared to agree.
i respect Hila’s opinion but the statement “i don’t think you can plan viral moments like this” comes off as naive. The Kardashian’s careers have been built on these viral moments keeping them in public conversation, the point is obviously to do so in a way that doesn’t seem planned or else it wouldn’t work. They’ve had their fair share of scandals and faux paus enough to know how certain things will play out in today’s climate. Kim knows very well there’s an image of her as a sort of spoiled spoon fed celebrity, the whole “Kim there’s people that are dying” meme was based purely on that. I don’t think she’d be stupid enough to completely innocently say no one wants to work just get your ass up and work and not expect the same sort of backlash. The Kardashian’s image and statements as a whole have been extremely calculated for years, as evidenced by their steady position in pop culture for decades now. That doesn’t just happen, most celebrities have a peak or waxing and waning of popularity which is only natural with the constant influx of new celebrities to talk about. But the Kardashian’s have remained, Kris is a mastermind manager she’s very good at what she does and no doubt that mindset and methodology influences her children day to day.
@you cannot be serious i think they are biased from their own personal experience of people accusing them of faking the trisha drama, Ethan even says later that Kim’s sex tape was a publicity stunt but not this. What’s the difference ? Why would they only pull such a thing once and then never again when they know it works.
Also, the media totally grabs ahold of this stuff to make it go viral too. It's not necessarily planned out but they see what they're doing and gladly take the bait and help circulate it because it makes them money too. When Kim says something like that everyone knows it's gonna get clicks, it's to be expected at this point.
Not Hila acting like their drama is comparable to the Kardashians… cmon, y’all are normal people in comparison to that family, AB and love are right: Kris Jenner calculates everything. They dont care about looking stupid to the world if it means publicity
Love is very smart, his stance specifically about the Kardashians is spot on.
He’s always very in touch with these things. He’s got a way of always giving a good take without ever getting preachy, very good team number, he should speak more!
What I love about AB’s burrito is that it can have whatever you imagine inside, the perfect burrito
Schrodinger's burrito 😆 the burrito is filled with both bad and good things until we open it.
It just contains another burrito, burritoception
@@allisons8480 the burrito is full of live cats, or…
😂😂😂
Ethan and Hila were so weird towards Love and AB - they could be wrong, but they were just trying to make sense of the situation. Really bizarre reaction.
agree 100%! as out of touch as it was, i found it just weird more than anything else.
yeah i think hila is def a little triggered and sensitive to the topic bc of the trisha drama and how far and gross it went ppl still were speculating "fake fake" so it's a soft spot but i fully disagree. you can't just shut down someone's very valid opinion bc a vaguely similar situation happened of being accused, youtubers and h3h3 is sooo different from the kardashians. the kardashians are full blown celebs w/ supermodels, tv shows, makeup and clothes companies, i mean so much they've been calculating their every move forever now. what kim said was for sure to get shock value and she knew she'd get a rise out of ppl.
Hila seems to do that to Ab often not sure if anyone else has noticed
@@Bryannt completely
@@Bryannt Hila doesn't like Arabs
I love how Kim was quoted as saying “would you put a bumper sticker on a Bentley?” When asked about her getting tattooed. What does that make Pete? A Prius?
😂 lol
hahahahahaha
Pete’s more like a 1997 chevy lumina or maybe a pontiac sunfire.
@@Jess12564 I wouldn't put a bumper sticker on my porch either since they're for bumpers
@@Jess12564 lol just fuckin with ya
I can tell AB’s feelings get heart because of how Ethan responds to him often. It seems like he doesn’t want to speak up as much or is debating whether he should or shouldn’t.
Dont worry, people who dont understand social cues here say that AB and Love werent offended. Glad theyre in the know.
AB did that everyone saw that
I feel like Ethan has always treated him badly, I noticed it for the first time when he talked about having his own Livestream and making a bunch of money in donations off it and Ethan acted so salty about it
I feel like aside from all this, AB generally gets ignored whenever he tries to add in comments here and there compared to Dan where like every comment Dan makes is reacted to?
Ethan and Hila were so confidently wrong about the kardashian thing imo. I think AB and Love are right, these people are richer than you could ever imagine and have built their empire on good PR. They have a whole team dedicated to these stunts, no doubt about it.
edit: I love y’all always and the show is the best. Just an observation I made at the end!
yes! and the way ethan was shutting down that all pr ppl are horrible and don't know what they're saying?? ethan has money but not kardashian pr money plus they are well known on a wider scale ofc they know their industries ins and outs and have the best ppl to refer to
Hilas point that the Kardashians could be surrounded by yes people that don't tell them not to say stupid things is valid I think, but I also side more with love and AB
I love hearing what AB and Love have to say, but I’m hoping this doesn’t make them scared to hold their ground when their opinions differ from the majority. Going to miss having Love in the studio!😭
Last time ab said he liked someone ethan didn’t he got death threats from idiots and also made lena terrified. Furthermore ethan apologize to the viewers not to ab or lena which left a very bad taste to me.
When does the drama happen
Dude shoutout to her being so well spoken and eloquent regardless of Ethan being straight up disrespectful.
Hila seemed so offended by Love saying that Kim was acting in that "get your ass up and work" clip, but do people not remember who she was an assistant to?? She learned that from Paris Hilton who said shit like that all the time for publicity. Paris literally had a reality show based on the concept of being spoiled and having to learn about poor people. Kim also copied the orchestrated sex tape from her. Not a stretch at all for Love to think that. That being said, I don't think the Kanye/Pete stuff is fake.
Literally
But Paris was playing into the stereotypical dumb, ditzy blonde act that everyone was portraying her as anyways. Even at the time, there was comedic aspect to it.. She wasn’t spewing tone deaf, offensive things about poor people moreso as she was making fun of her *own* lack of real life experiences and etc.
There was nothing comical or shtick about what Kim said.. It got attention because of her total lack of self awareness and zero irony behind it.
Oh damn! 😂 I forgot Paris did the famous sex tape first! 😂 and the reality tv and practically everything the Kardashians are doing now, first !😂
@@beebhabie At the time a lot of people didn't think Paris had self awareness, and it was definitely offensive to poor people lol. but either way, it's a matter of opinion. i just think it's weird that Hila took it so personally when Love said that.
interestingly a very famous uk based influencer molly mae just went viral for making very similar comments that kim made. I wonder if they saw how much press molly mae got and wanted to recreate it. I just found it odd how similar the statements were, but maybe its just because all influencers are that delusional
The way love and AB look so awkward like they can’t express their opinions without getting yelled at :( there’s a power difference. You can’t argue with your boss. with peace and love this ruined my night lol because I respect this couple so much
Agreed
Right!
@@jarataka26 Also comparing themselves to the kardashians😬 I mean if you watch KUWTK you can tell everything is staged, it’s not impossible for this to be too
Time stamp?
@@sheridan. starting at about 3:40:10
EXCUSE ME? How TF can Ethan and Hila say that Kim was just on the spot doing that interview? Don't we ALREADY know that every interview is sent to the Family before hand? They get to pick and choose which questions they will be asked, therfore they get to sit there and CALCULATE their answers. So yes they have teams on teams sitting there helping them write and rehearse their answers to these "interview questions."
I'm with Love and AB. Yall are right, and you know that. Sucks to have to bite your tongue for your boss. But hey, we regular people have to do it everyday too lol.
they literally said their opinion, they hardly bit their tongue.
I like how Love stands his ground on opinions he believes in or could be possible like the staged Kardashian thing. I’ve noticed a few times, which is a cool little addition to the crew.
Love is awesome. I'd pay premium for his OF for sure
@@kells9k ???????
I’m 100% with Love on his take about the Kim situation.
I believe Dan, Ethan, and Hila were a little quick to shut down Love and AB's theory and didn't give them much chance to speak before arguing over them. To be honest, nobody REALLY knows the full story of Kim, Kanye and Pete, so why shut them down so quick without even trying to hear them out?
Cuz god forbid you disagree with Ethan and Hila...
They think they are as famous as Kim and Kanye lol hilarious
@@jessgaletin no one disagrees with queen hila
@@chriswilson3698 chill, they are good people.
I agree, would have loved Ethan and Hila to be more open minded about the other opinions
Is there something about family for you that's bittersweet?
Ethan (literally the brother-in-law of Trisha Paytas): Not that I can think of
he's so stubborn 🙄
He's iterally mentioned having had a complicated relationship with his dad plus some resentment. But maybe its just not at the forefront of his mind so he couldn't make the connection
She's pretty irrelevant now, I don't he considers her family at all as he doesn't even talk to his brother in law.
Its probably bittersweet without the 'sweet'.
Omg right! I was lile hello oooooo Ooo?! Or his dad's lol
I’m graduating this April with a BS in Public Relations.
There are DEFINITELY PR geniuses that would calculate & pull this off. I can’t even begin to understand Hila & Ethan’s thinking on this, it’s just not true & their blatant disbelief of such a thing is quite shocking. The saying, “any publicity is good publicity” is around for a reason. PR stunts like this happen all the time, especially with the Kardashians. They’re literally the best examples of it. I do think the family is dense, but Kris Jenner and her PR minions are definitely working over time to create scandals to cover up scandals. That isn’t a hard concept to understand - or believe.
AGAIN, they CREATE scandals to COVER up scandals. OR create scandals, so that people will tune into their show (that’s been running for 20+ seasons) to get the story from the Kardashians perspective. That’s the reality of what’s happening here…
AB & Love, you guys are not wrong about this.
Last take regarding the Kardashian family not setting up stunts like this was pretty terrible on Ethan and Hila's end. They're trying to speak from experience but the kind of bull shit billions can buy compared to thousands is worlds apart. Flat out saying people with Love's take are delusional and fucked up was extremely rude considering that's directed (intentional or not) at Love.
exactly, why Hila looked so offended tho 😂
I think so too, and ok maybe it's not that deep for Ethan, but it's cringe, rude and annoying. (And I can still like the show when I find some takes annoying)
It’s their opinion???
...and they say that a hero can save us! I'm not gonna stand here and wait!
@@lucyandrews5466 and it’s loves option. But they didn’t want to listen to him and were rude asf
Honestly, Ethan & Hila made me feel some type way this time around… having a guest come on & then shutting her down & interrupting her throughout the entire time… she took time out of her own schedule to make it on the podcast, yet the skepticism was more ignorant the way it was portrayed… being opinionated is one thing, but I think she should of been given more respect.. def felt awkward & inconsiderate more than anything. Never felt this way towards them, but kind of gave me a new perspective on how they treat people at times. They embarrassed the poor girl & themselves tbh 😭 peace & love y’all, but ya gotta be more open minded sometimes & look at things from a different point of view, b/c not everything that was said was supposed to be interpreted in a literal sense.
exactly!! and ethan kept interrupting her...
Yeah i mean if they were not willing to have an open mind in the first place then don't invite her at all? if anything it says more about them than the astrologist. Skipped the whole astrology thing and moved on to the next part just to see Ethan and Hila shutting down Love and AB's good reasonable arguments. Was looking forward to this week's afterdark cuz they built it up so much in previous episode but i guess i shouldn't put my expectations too high.
Who fucking cares astrology is fake anyway
@@Crailtep being disrespectful to a guest is not a good thing pal, no wonder no one wants to come to the show anymore
Literally this poor girl was fighting for her life. Just because Ethan doesn't believe it doesn't mean their is no validity in it. I also feel this kinda attitude he has towards his guests is 1000% the reason why people are hesitant about coming onto the show. They can be so rude and humiliate their guests at times.
AB with peace and love please stop being afraid of being canceled and share your thoughts and opinions! We want to hear them, I want to hear them.
i don’t blame him tho people have been ruthless to him in the past
@@emaired22 Doesn't help that when he got shit for the David Dobrik stuff Ethan and Hila just let him take it because they were so invested with Trisha at the time. I can see why he would be so reserved about being more opinionated.
i feel him, i do the same, its really though having 100's of people ruthlessly bashing you after every ep.
@@hotsauce5745 i didn’t really like frenimies and tend to skip a lot of them episodes, can u give me a rundown on wat happened to AB in that cancellation thing ?
@@Love-ho8wh darn that was deep. I hope you guys are okay, the internet sucks because people suck and feel much braver to say something online than in person. You guys make my week so much better this is my favorite show on RUclips!
Props to Maren for her patience, I’m a huge fan but that all came off a little rude as it is her profession and she is the guest.. 😅
Her “profession” has the same credence as a psychic or a séance.
@@ignignokt-6050 regardless if you think she’s credible or not, she was still a guest invited on the show and took extra time for it, they should have treated her with more respect even if they’re being skeptical you can still do that in a respectful way
A little rude? More like a whole lotta rude! She had all of their horoscopes done and they only let her read Ethan and hilas… they were laughing at her and acting really skeptical the whole time, acting really
Childish. When Zach asked her “am I going to fk shit up ? It’s a yea or no question” was really condescending and basically telling her not to explain it but just to reduce it to y or no… it’s disgusting and frankly if I was her I would’ve thought a waste of time
@@ignignokt-6050 she was a guest, treat her like a guest, not like someone they can make fun of for entertainment
@@jelinasnow1604 true honestly. Like she wasn’t credible at all so why even invite her on? Astrology has no credibility and all Ethan wanted to do was make her look like a fool. He’s a POS
Ethan and Hila have accomplished so much and their careers are completely self-made, which makes all that they’ve achieved even more impressive, but they need to humble themselves. Do they really think H3 is at all comparable to the Kardashian-Jenner empire? These are direct quotes from a tone-deaf Hila:
“Their staff doesn’t know shit, it doesn’t work like that”
“Have you tried working with, like, an agency? Those people don’t know shit about nothing”
“We’ve been in drama and we’ve been accused of it too”
“Whenever we’ve tried to talk to anybody like that, or work with, it’s like, you really learn that you know way better than all of them”
“I think that we’ve seen enough to tell you”
Competent PR agencies might be out of H3’s budget, but the Kardashians can definitely afford them
Exactly this.
Was really shocked at how naive those comments were. Even I know that. Come on Hila
Yep! Plus Kris is a huge part of their whole PR system, and she is relatively intelligent and calculating.
Agree… so tone deaf and putting down others because they think they know better…
Who knows, maybe this Kleins-AB/Love controversy was a scripted manipulated stunt and we were tricked
Exactly. They’re in a whole different tax bracket…they can’t relate lol
zach's timing of the keem star soundbite when ethan was saying he'd tattoo hila if she died was so funny LOL
30:45
That part starts around 30:00
Zack's a good guy. And a dirtyball
30:15
4:20
With Peace and Love, Hila talking about how she knows what it's like to be dragged in the media compared to Kim Kardashian is so laughable. Obviously Hila is a talented woman and has made a name for herself by her hard work and skills when it comes to clothing. She is known by millions of people. But Kim is a household name to billions. Kim has a full PR team. This family has perfected the art of staying in the press and constantly being talked about. They knew what questions were going to asked by Variety before the interview (that's normal) so Kim and her team already worked out exactly what Kim was going to say - or at least the main points Kim was going to say so that it sounded less rehearsed.
Compared to Kim, Hila is just another joe-shmoe (again with Peace and Love). The Kardashian family is very calculating. They've been doing this and doing it VERY well for over a decade. The Kardashians and their teams know what they are doing. I mean, Khloe posted a photo on Instagram (and they are always SOOO photoshopped to the point where they don't even look like Khloe) but her hand looked SOOOO weird. It made the news, albeit some bullshit new outlets like Buzzfeed, but still. They pay people to edit their photos. Khloe wouldn't have posted that picture of her hand looking like Voldemort's hand unless she was trying to get attention and publicity. IDK if she had some new TV show or some bullshit to sell to her fans. But the hand thing was on purpose, 100%. Hila just hasn't worked with very competent PR people it seems like.
But I'm proud of Love for standing his ground on his opinion because the dude is exactly right. I appreciated that AB had Love's back even though he backed off to avoid getting possibly cancelled haha!
Coming back to these old podcast episodes I am always reminded how much work Ethan has put into his health. Keep it up man!
ETHAN AND HILA THINKING THEY ARE EVEN ON THE SAME LEVEL THE KARDASHIANS IS HILARIOUS . LOVE AND AB ARE SOOOOOO RIGTH , they were so condescending to them, it was painful to watch Love and AB excusing their thinking when they were actually ON POINT. 🥴🥴🥴 but oh okay
Ethan yelling at the interviewer to be quiet after inviting someone on to create and read all your charts but he wouldn’t be quiet long enough or listen when she or anyone else tried to explain to him that this is a life chart not a monthly horoscope … he didn’t let her finish his own chart or even start anyone else’s.. This is the first time an episode frustrated me so badly I’ve never seen him act so rude to a guest..
Yeah, this episode was so frustrating 😤
dude & then he just kept having these side convos w/ the crew while she was trying to talk…I felt so bad for her, she was super interesting!
yea i felt really bad for Maren when he was digging, i understand its a schtick of his but she takes a lot of pride in what she does & explained herself & the subject extremely well, including why it's discredited so widely. I wanted to hear the other crew members' charts & instead we sort of got ethan worrying more about food & Maren looking like she wanted to cry 💀
I felt the same way. I’m extremely disappointed right now.
@@Empathy-and-resilience i totally disagree with astrology and crypto but still.. maren was so kind and took a lot of time and preparation to do this segment. and the way ethan cut her off constantly was very infuriating. apart from who she is, i dont think this was appropriate at all
Hila and Ethan were so obnoxious at the end. They don’t have a lot of self awareness since they often directly accuse people of clout chasing and manipulating media. I love them but it was tough to watch Hila shutting Love down so intentionally.
The girl who spoke on horoscopes was actually really enlightening (forgive me, I'm forgetting her name). I'm a pretty big nonbeliever when it comes to all of that stuff, and am typically pretty annoyed by people who do nothing but go on & on about it. But she spoke so eloquently, and was so well-articulated & well-studied, that she really opened my mind a lot to some new perspectives. Genuinely enjoyed her points a lot, and it was all presented in a way that was very easily digestible and well illustrated. I always appreciate someone's passion when they approach an argument with the confidence they've put into their craft/studies. Really wish Ethan would pull back sometimes and not interject so much with what he thinks is funny and will get a laugh from the crew (Dan). Just common courtesy in conversation to at least let people finish their sentences and their thoughts when they're clearly trying to go somewhere larger with it and move forward.
Hila and Ethan pulling “trust me we have been through this…” is irrelevant because they are nowhere near Kanye and Kims fame and the way it works for them. They cant compare their experience because its simply just not the same.
Ethan, if you’re ever curious why people aren’t coming on your show, you might wanna look back at this video 😔 so disappointing cause I love H3 and it’s gotten me through some pretty hard days, but yeah this one was tough to watch ✌🏼 and ❤️
EXACTLY. I’m a big fan and not hating at all but man they need to take a step back and evaluate their takes and how they treat people 🥴🥴🥴 makes me not want to watch tbh
I even felt bad during the astrology call in.. she kept getting interrupted by Ethan and they didn't even get to talk about the crews signs :( (besides Ethan asking when Zach was going to die..)
@@asiablair9555 yeah i thought it was going to be a fun lighthearted segment where they go through each of the crew’s horoscopes and have fun but it was just Ethan being so incredibly rude to the Astrologer and interrupting her.
@@Aliiii831 all because he thinks it’s bull shit.
If you can find my comment - I think you’ll love it! My exact words but very detailed
I felt so bad seeing Love and AB trying to explain their opinion, but being shut down every single time. So disappointing ):
@@ThugDestroyer those *millionaires* feel entitled (that being H3 in case you missed my point)
Imo it was just a debate. Sure they could have let them talk more but they weren't like mean or anything to them. It's just debating. But I agree with AB and Love here
@@ThugDestroyer Damn, you are indeed missing the point and just baah'ing like a sheep
With peace and love Ethan let ur guests finish a sentence
Xxx🎉😮😮
Why not let Love actually explain his point of view without being interrupted?
ethan? not interrupting people? what have you been watching
@@creepycrawlie I feel like it has gotten worse lately
Appreciation for AB this episode for helping keep a good energy between everyone
This is a bit harsh but it appears most people agree which I’m happy to see.. Hila literally doesn’t talk for a majority of the episode. Couldn’t even respond to what the astrologer had to say about her chart and had to ask Ethan what he thought to end the awkward silence- yet is so opinionated about something nobody knows for fact. Love and AB repeat there is no way they can know anything for sure and it’s just an idea. But Hila and Ethan think they know for fact because they’ve been through RUclips drama? World wide celebrity publicity is so much different. Ethan thinks people aren’t “competent” enough to be so calculated, but if people can think of the conspiracies after an event, there are people that are high up enough in the world to have the same idea originally and actually carry them out. It’s also just cringe to watch them be so demeaning to anyone with a different opinion. No one can question them but everyone else is belittled and called paranoid. Whole vibe is off tbh. Props to the astrologer for being so professional. That segment could have been good if Ethan would have given her even 1/2 of the respect he gave peanut butter Craig.
THIS is on point
i had these same exacr thoughts. it looked like hila was even rolling her eyes during the ep until what Love said. and the multi billionare dollar kardashian empire dont strategize click bait moments before there new season comes out. gtfoh if you think they dont. hila and ethan didnt show themselves in a good light on this ep. and i was like, let people talk! shit!
Love: "I dont think they're braindead"
*record scratch*
Then hila saying "have you ever tried working with an agency? Cmon. Those people don't know shit about nothing"
No, Love hasn't. I think they're embarrassed that he went out there with that opinion. They don't believe that & they dont want people to think they do. As ethan said its "too paranoid". Its not specifically &/or just embarrassing but it hits a huge insecurity & the response is gross
I mean, I love Hila and I like Ethan but these are the same people who watch reality TV show and think it’s real. I miss the old H3/ Ethan & Hila days where they just made funny videos
Figures they would he more interested in some creep who effs jars of PB. I’m really tired of these freaks they give a platform to.
I think the reading on Hilas sexuality or whatever and how it was rebellious to the norm doesn’t mean she’s bi but that she’s in a straight relationship but challenging the “norms”. Hence why everyone keeps referring to Ethan as Hilas husband because she’s the boss in their relationship. The astrologer deserved more respect.
You don’t need to be an astrologer to know that shit through
I agree with Love, what Kim said is basic outrage marketing. Anger travels further online than anything else. Either that or she’s been listening to Gary Vee
Yeah I think Hila and Ethan took it way too personally
When I first saw what she said I was outraged as everyone else, but when you stop and think about it- that’s exactly what they want you to do. Their bad publicity gives hype around the show and you can see a pattern with this family that they do stuff like this RIGHT before the new season airs. I think Ethan and hila just centered this around their own experiences and got defensive.
@@emcandi exactly. The only reason I'm even hearing anything about the Kardashians is because of H3 talking about this drama. I knew nothing that was going on with them beforehand, but now I know a new season of their TV show is airing soon, and that show will portray even more of this drama. Same thing with Kim and "Skims" - the only reason I heard about her new company is because of the controversy with her naming it "Kimono" in the beginning
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AB & Love are right - the kardashians are absolutely calculated in their drama. they don't care if they receive negative backlash because they're rich and beautiful, they can get away with it and still thrive. it's different than when the average youtuber is involved in drama.
Do you feel like Ethan was a little defensive over that opinion?
Yes! Ethan and Hila took this too seriously!!
also didn't they start dating like literally the day after astroworld?
i had the thought as well that they were helping kylie out lol
@@MrsAmbMcC I thought so too, it was a little uncomfortable and awkward to watch tbh
Hila and Ethan thinking that the Kardashians don't set shit up for clout etc is soooooo ignorant. They can't compare their drama situations to this because its on a whole different level and they're such good ppl they can't see how ppl could be so calculated and psycho to get what they want.
I think that’s what it is, Ethan and Hila just can’t fathom it. But there are plenty of rich/well off people who haven’t parlayed that into fame and success like the whole kardashian/jenner family has. Kim always stays in the headlines - for example, her televised wedding to the basketball player (and short lived marriage). Do the Klein’s not think that was calculated? Yes, some scandals happen naturally and Kim may have meant the work statement, but her whole career has been calculated. She (her mother, her team) are marketing geniuses.
Agree
I think he acknowledged that they do calculated stunts, he just felt like this was a genuine moment of her being an out of touch bitch.
100% agree with the crew. The
Kardashians have a history of this. And yes there are pr teams who do this. That’s why there’s a saying the devil works hard but Kris Jenner works harder. Peace and love but don’t be rude because someone has a different more insightful opinion than your own.
Can someone please explain to Ethan and Hila that "scripted" doesn't have to mean word for word lines written out for people to say. Reality shows are "scripted" by just asking the right questions to get a certain response out of someone that they can play with in editing. I can definitely see Kris and Kim having a conversation going something like: "let's mention the lack of workers in this interview cause that's a problem for big companies rn like ours."
Exactly reality tv is highly orchestrated. When they said they don’t believe that I couldn’t take them seriously. There are enough bts information how producers orchestrate stuff like that.
any time the subject of reality tv being fake comes up on the show they are usually defensive about it and i think it’s because they both just really enjoy watching reality tv together and want to be able to believe that it is real. which yeah, to your point, the conversations are often real but the plot points are often contrived. but i think accepting that would take a lot of the fun out of it for them so i don’t think that’s gonna happen lol.
@@JennaEmbers True, there are sociology and media books that cover the ethical controversies of reality TV production. It's not a secret and it's well studied. There are literally producers called "fluffers" whose sole job is to rile up participants in shows and encourage meltdowns (mainly on shows like Jeremy Kyle, Maury and Big Brother, but I imagine they're involved in most reality shows). Reading about it tends to make me feel sad for people on these shows, so I get why Ethan and Hila would rather deny and ignore the level of production that goes into reality tv.
It’s probably semantics but your interpretation is closer to “staged”. “Scripted” is a more faithful iteration.
The difference between Ethan and Hila not faking drama (except they do with Oliver Tree…) and not being able to hire PR teams to create this type of publicity and KRIS FREAKING JENNER is astronomical. These are two different dimensions, it was infuriating how sure they were when there are numerous cases of the Kardashians doing this. This is WHY they’re famous. AB and Love were 100% right.
Ethan : " This is America FREE SPEECH"
Dan : " Ha. I just banned someone in the chat for having an opinion about Kanye"
Agreed!!!!
Your infuriated because Ethan and Hila have an opinion ?? You and the other 14 year olds need to relax in these comments.
@@Georgiopeterson I’m disagreeing with their opinion… You’re bothered by people criticizing an opinion? Maybe use the correct form of you’re before you come for someone, also I’m 25 but good one ✌🏻
The end discussion…just really missed the mark. The conversation was handled very poorly. A fact that still surprises me considering how long Ethan has been doing these podcasts. You’d think he’d have learned how to keep a balanced talk. I think having a private conversation with friends that gets a little heated like that is fine. It happens. But in a professional setting with an audience of thousands watching…I feel like there is some responsibility there for a boss to keep the peace and maintain a safe talking environment. Even if that means taking a step back from strong opinions and trying to keep a level of mutual understanding.
It just seems like Ethan wants an echo-chamber of yes men sometimes, and can’t handle disagreeing opinions in a tactful manner. Hila too surprisingly. It has happened a few times in the show where Ethan has undermined his crew in front of thousands. Now I know why they are hesitant to speak out on controversial things. Because their own boss jumps at their throats, never mind the audience lol
right !! everyone points out that they are friends and we don’t see all of their interactions - we know that, but the interactions that we DO see are uncomfortable and awkward and make the show hard to watch
Exactly
Ethan mocks every guest he invites before they come and then hes shocked they dont want to come lol
Haha right
I think he needs to just stop announcing or talking about guests before they come. I get that they wanna hype it up so people watch but it would solve a lot of the problem of guests not wanting to come or people getting all bent out of shape about stuff. Problem would be solved.
I think people forget Ethan was formerly known as a comedian, not a podcaster. So when he rips on guests its not really considered out of the norm in that line of work. It’s how you build a relationship with the audience. I think it might come off as mocking in this setting but he doesn’t mean any harm, it’s just how he tests the waters.
His yes men never step in to put him in line
It’s not like he invited the president we are talking about a fkn “astrologist”
I'm with Love and AB: there is a difference between faking a divorce/drama and being smart about when to let the world know that you are going through a divorce, and letting the media know: I don't see a problem with that theory, both Kim and Kanye are adults who are biz-savvy, and are surrounded by biz-savvy people.. Also, she can believe what she's saying AND being told what to say by her PR, they know how to ramain on people's tongues after all. They grew up on TV screens and they're still as famous and rich as ever
Am I the only one that read im in love with AB? Lol peace and love
Yeah this is the first time I've cringed at Hila and Ethan in a long time. The Kardashian family is on a whole other level than either of them are. Their experience is irrelevant, you guys are not on the same playing field. Please stop coming at the crew so hard, it makes both of you look terrible.
"not on the same playing field" but here you are acting like you know better
the fact that ethan and hila think that the kardashians can't plan viral moments, because they are not able to is what's delusional. you guys are not comparable to the Kardashians. peace and love.
Keep walking
@@britterzzz8744 I’ve been a fan for many years Ethan an Hila are ok if their fans disagree with them.
Peace and love AGREED
Kardashians are too brain dead to do it
Olivia thank you so much for trying to stand up for Pete's mh, specifically BPD. You're like the only person I've heard speak about it so respectfully and with a real understanding. Obviously having BPD isn't an excuse for anything that was done or said wrong but people assume those with BPD are always going to be purposefully abusive and it hurts. It's a personality disorder that can't be helped and a lot of people who suffer from BPD, myself included, are horrified by the things we've said and done and wouldn't do them on purpose. Like if I didn't have BPD I would never lash out as harshly as I have in the past, I don't enjoy being a dick and losing friends over and over again and it's just nice to hear a liiittle bit of validation and understanding 😭💕
Kanye also has diagnosed BPD.
@@samanthaemery9598 I thought he had bipolar. Does he have both?
Everything can be helped. Mental health problems can absolutely be helped. They affect us but they can be helped
I also have BPD, so I completely understand. ❤ I also 100% believe Olivia is the best thing about this show too.
I love Maren it was hard to watch the segment because it felt like Ethan wasn’t really hearing her out and I think she started to get anxiety and I was like yikes.
i’ve been looking for this comment! he really was kind of an ass
Watching Ethan and Hila shut down Love and AB’s argument about Kim was so frustrating. The Kardashians are literal billionaires. Their PR team is on another level compared to the ones RUclipsrs have. And Ethan just kept saying that he KNOWS it wasn’t a publicity stunt. But in reality, he doesn’t! No one does except that family. I really wish Ethan and Hila would listen to their crew, instead of disregarding their opinions just because they don’t agree.
SO FRUSTRATING, outrage marketing for reality TV is as old as when Paris Hilton did The Simple Life. Saying something dumb goes a long way. I'm pretty sure Ethan was shutting down because he was hungry. ✊ Love was right
Don’t give Kim this much credit. She for sure actually thinks that way and truly thinks she sounded bad ass saying that lmao that whole family is remedial, the dumb sh*t they say is really just dumb sh*t that they say.
I would have thought given that they hade a show together with Trisha that they would know when something is calculated to get more views.
@@denizypinarci omg you’re so right!! Trisha is an amazing example of outrage media clout. It’s the same act and formula except the kardashians are even more calculated
@@persephone8823 they wouldn't be this famous if they just said dumb sh*it and didn't think twice about it
The way Ethan and Hila felt defensive to say that these things weren’t planned kinda gave the implication that they are in a close enough proximity class or social wise to understand their mindset which is such a far off take and just not correct, They are not in a league comparable to the kardashians. the Kardashians do have massive groups of people around them much smarter than them, they have the smartest group of people surrounding them
When there’s that much money being made there’s smart people taking a slice
lmao and they keep comparing their drama to the kardashian’s. its like totally different worlds. even their point that theyre trying to make doesnt make sense like if ur drama is real doesnt make all drama real or unplanned. just funny logic and kinda stupid ngl
so entitled!! They really think they're on the kardashian level lmao I canttttttt
as someone with BPD, thank you olivia for bringing it up about pete! very important point
It's really privileged to say hila isn't well-traveled, when she is from israel, where she goes back to regularly, has lived in new york, different places in california, has been to europe, mexico, thailand... most people don't ever leave their home country, they don't ever get on an air plane or see the ocean.
i agree 1000%
Absolutely
Thank you
I thought this too!! I’ve never even left my country lmfao
i agree. we are the same age but she has traveled a lot more than i am. just because she's not going somewhere every weekend doesnt mean she isnt well traveled.
this is crazy because ethan and hila are great but their level of celebrity and fame is absolutely nowhere close to the kardashians. they have no way of knowing how the kardashian PR teams operate because they’re not at that level. the kardashians are known for having super calculated responses to everything and crazy skilled PR teams. not to mention how they have been working with their teams for years now and i’m sure have tailored and refined a group of people to curate the perfect team. they have all had countless cancelable offenses and they’re still around… how are you not attributing this to very smart pr teams. i’m not saying everything is calculated whatsoever. i think most crazy things said by these celebrities is off the cuff. however, this theory is not as absurd as you might think. like i’m just not sure how you can completely discredit calculated moves like this at their level of fame.
AGREED
they at LEAST have some idea of how pr actually works, more than the regular person. sure its probably not at kardashian level, but i'm sure they know some bit of what they're talking about.
Agreed.
The back and forth with Hila, AB, and Love made me extremely uncomfortable. AB’s voice cracked because he was uncomfortable, and Love had to back down. This doesn’t happen when Hila isn’t there.
Hila seems to have found herself and I love that for her, but she’s not bringing anything positive to this show anymore, just bringing it down. Her CEO-mom girl boss routine ruins the pod. When she barks at the crew they can’t stand up for themselves because she’s their employer and they clearly don’t have the rapport with her like they do Ethan. It’s very awkward to watch.
It's fair to say that Ethan and Hila don't know what it's like at that level of celebrity, but at the same time that also applies to all of us, who probably have substantially less knowledge of the power of celebrity PR teams than Ethan and Hila do. Like, they have some level of celebrity, they've spoken to PR people. We have not. So I think perhaps we also need to check our own egos in this discussion. Like, c'mon, it's not that hard to commit "cancelable offenses" and stick around.
@@Pepperoni Barks at the crew? Dawg... did we watch the same episode?
I feel like Ab and Love were shut down immediately and I don't understand why. Why can't they express their point of view which I thought was interesting. Love said he is just putting the thought out there so why were Ethan, Hila and Dan so opposed to him saying what he thinks. I really can't enjoy a debate where only one side is allowed to speak and not the other. I would love if the crew could just speak without being interrupted, judged or shut down. I really don't enjoy the podcast when it doesn't allow for a proper discussion to take place. I would not be comfortable working in a place where my opinion is belittled.
They are becoming obnoxious. Talking over the crew.. it's nothing new
Not to mention guests too! I actually felt kinda bad for the astrologer, because she really seems to have belief and passion in what she does, only to have jokes made about it with side glances and shouting over her when she was trying to talk- which she met with dignity and respect. Whether you believe in the opinion/ belief or not, you shouldn't talk over your guests. I was very surprised at Hila for not listening to Love's opinion, as she's usually a bit more fair and balanced, (but she's just had a baby and that messes with your body and hormones, so that may explain it a little, but not excuse it).
People need to learn to have calm discussions with those they disagree with, instead of shutting them down straight away. I'm glad to see that most comments agree that they shouldn't have talked that way to the crew though. Genuinely, I felt really awkward for Love and AB. Maybe Dan shouldn't have stepped in to question Love rhetorically (as I understood it), like he did.
Also- I agree with Love. That doesn't make us conspiracy theorists, we just don't take everything at face value - ESPECIALLY when people stand to make a profit!
They argue over how hard it is to calculate such a large PR stunt, am I the only one here thinking... It's not exactly that complicated of a PR move. During the lockdown, Kim got backlash for being out of touch due to her wealth when she had her birthday party on the secluded island. This was likely accidental backlash. Then someone notices that and says, "hey, this story was everywhere, wasn't it? Why don't we just do it again to stir up buzz for the show & control the narrative?" They do just that with a generic 'poor women don't work hard' statement' then add an anti-feminist tint on top for good measure and would you look at that, the same outcome as last time, but this time tied into a show promotion.
I disagree that there aren't genius media manipulation people out there in traditional media, but even besides that... It's hardly a big brain chess move. It's literally recreating something that ALREADY happened. Kim & her team have done bigger than this before. The scale of this is being overblown by Ethan & Hila quite substantially & yet everyone's arguing like that premise they gave is true.
It’s getting hard to watch this when Ethan never shuts up when talking over guests. I wanted to hear the crews horoscopes too, and the woman doing the readings looked so irritated. I get making fun of people but it seemed in bad taste.
Also, AB and Love are totally right about Kardashians manufacturing drama. Ethan and Hila thinking they know how it works when they both are very niche celebrities is low key kind of insane. The kardashians are a huge brand, A list celebrities who have managers that wouldn’t even work with Hila and Ethan, y’all need to eat humble pie lol
Here’s the comment I left
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To CREW I’ve been a HUGE FAN OF ALL OF YOU - WAY BEFORE CHANNEL GOT BIG / props for that 👋🏻
To :Ethen
I’m not sure WTF you’re on...
With all due respect. You are becoming… ,
Or are just more comfortable now days, your need to be correct & get validation, your need to check the crew & calling them out if they’re like “ no bro… that’s too much”
you speak of many people ( ALL THE TIME !! find something else that’s actually important or fun… or NEW… & explore new subjects )
it’s making you look extremely self- regarding & completely out of touch with everyone ( besides your family -ovi-)
IMPORTANT ADVICE:
!!!!!READ THE ROOM ETHEN!!!!!
🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸
YOUR CREW DOESN’T LIKE TO BE RUDE OR TALK AS MUCH ŠŠHïT AS YOU DO. They’re always moving away from a subject you beat like a dead horse! on a DAILY basis. For a while now. The best thing to happen to you was being kicked off RUclips for a moment.
The fact that your crew has to watch what they say, bc you will attack them while live, & you shut them up with some lame joke “lol” type of shit, speak over them.. & than they laugh it off bc you pay them. If those were your real friends, they’d most likely tell you that
1. your jokes are getting old
2. You need to let everyone have an opinion even if they don’t agree with you
3. Stop stretching out stories, your obsession with keem & kavanough is getting old. Most of us watching can almost always predict that we will hear about keem, who I, personally think is nothing & you talk about him as if He is, if your audience doesn’t like keem, stop fking talking about him & find a cool subject to talk about, interesting, smart.
4. You’re basically becoming a tea channel on drugs.
5. When people call in LIVE show them some respect. Understand that they’re not in a studio with a whole. Crew ready to fire & be funny ( sound bites included) It’s cruel. You seem to enjoy making others look bad .
The lovely girl who called in ( astrologer ) was so caught off guard by your none stop insulting words & horrible demeanor … belittled her to the point that her poor voice was cracking. Asking her if there’s any credentials, as if she couldn’t say THE SAME THING BACK. “ so why do I have to listen to you, aren’t you just like a regular post cast & all the information you say, Google & the whole world already knows”
you’re a total jerk for that.
But the dude that calls in on Fridays ( WC DAVE) a character from Beavis & Butthead, screams “ vooooobaby fk fk fk voooo “ like it’s some EXCITING VIBE. It’s Anoying as FCK Ethen. I fast forward that part EVERY FRIDAY. Sounds like SHIT on headphones / just fyi.
Says a lot about you, you cheer on this dude who says 2 words on repeat- but a girl humbly going on your show, gets humiliated. You Owe her an apology.
You’re a hypocrite, you talk about being all chill & you’re the cool dad brah, PEACE & LOVE bs.
while at the same time putting others down just bc you think THE OLDEST way of reading & understanding life is a bunch of BS.
Your own crew felt bad…. They basically apologized to her - for you! at the end.
AB you’re kind & thank you for giving her a break from the embarrassment Ethen caused her in front of 1000’s viewers, good thing you don’t kiss azz ( like a few of them do )
I almost turned it off bc it’s was so sad to hear how carelessly you could think of someone’s life & passion. No wonder you’re losing subs. Let me remind you, MORE THAN HALF THESE LISTENERS LOVE THE CREW, more than you. If I were you I’d TAKE THE HUBMLE PIECE OF PIE YOU !STILL!TALK ABOUT /// & EAT IT.
Come back down to earth, you were much cooler when you didn’t have to tell us every 20 minutes. “
I wanted to see all their charts rip
For real! They think they’re hot shit. I miss when they were more humble and more in touch with reality.
@@missbelle_elle preach it brotha!
@@ThugDestroyer thanks thug destroyer. Your opinion is valuable to us. 🤣
Love and AB are by far the most realistic and intelligent when it comes to this stuff. They understand the lies and manipulation and don’t see the things the way they WANT you to. This Kim situation, and even the drama occurring with Kanye is 100% a PR stunt, or at-least most of it is. It’s crazy to think that some people believe and fall into the lies. Yes, some truth can be behind the scenes of these situations, but this is the most famous family in the world. They are protected more than almost ANYONE. Ofcourse their are professionals included lol. It’s mind-boggling to think some people don’t believe that? Peace and love tho.
I would also give credit to Ian’s take. Not excusing Kanye’s behaviour but I agree with the insight that his mental state and public antics are almost inextricably linked to his process of creating art, which is why it seems easy to chalk it up and write it off as convenient timing. Isn’t he bipolar type I or something?
I knew this would come back to bite Ethan and Hila back when they were arguing with everyone about the Bachelor and reality tv not being super staged and shit😂
he is worth almost 7 billion usd, more than most if not all the Kardashians and untreated for bipolar, IMHO he can get away with almost anything and let's be real does he really need the PR? I think he's just unhinged and out of touch
i think it’s a bit naive to assume that the kardashians don’t have a heavily integrated PR team always at their back, basically orchestrating everything they should or shouldn’t say, post or shouldn’t post. you’re talking about one of the most famous, powerful families ever. i had a hard time listening to them shoot down AB and Love because i think they are right in saying it could definitely be a “stunt”. it is absolutely wild to think about yes, but come on here folks it’s drama and drama gets attention and whether it’s negative or positive, they don’t care, it’s attention period.
I agree. They obviously have billions, they just might know what tf they are doing lol.
This conversation just kinda bothered me
“How am I impulsive? Impulsive is like ‘I’m going to f-king Vegas!’ “
*”That literally happened on the show the other day”*
Dude I’m shitting myself
Damn, did the Quartering write this lol
There’s no such thing as PR geniuses?????
Ethan and Hila do realize that the Kardashians went from some random rich kids that no one knew, to arguably some of the MOST famous people in the WORLD.
Such a weird take from Ethan & Hila.
EXACTLY! I cringe at the fact that Hila thinks she's equivalent to the Kardashians. The team that the Kardashians has (in my opinion) are geniuses, because the Kardashians are famous for doing the bare minimum lol they're literally known for being famous for being famous at this point.
Kris Jenner is the QUEEN of PR!! And, that's the matriarch of the Kardashian clan. Ethan and Hila def were talking in bad faith here.
Wow im glad everyone else agrees that the ending was way outa line and AB and Love were right
That Kardashian convo got real tiring before the end. Was stressing me hear Ethan and Hila get defensive at AB and Love saying they been accused of making fake beef before when it's not true and I'm sat here like wtf is all this Oliver Tree stuff that's been going on 😂 😂
Yooo, fr though. Of course the Oliver Tree stuff is so blatantly a joke, but it’s still a form of PR drama that both teams calculated and coordinated beforehand. I never thought about that until now. Good point.
It also was frustrating to here them talk about how it's impossible for people to do or say negative things that would cause them trouble when they literally just covered the arrest of Jessie smollet who orchestrated a hate crime him self
Very true, I got a defensive vibe from them, as if they were feeling called out for doing that same stuff and in response acted kinda in-denial/gaslighty about it all, bit weird
@@cherrybanana8534 I think they were being defensive but not because they felt called out. When frenemies ended for example, a lot of people were calling it a publicity stunt even though it wasn't. I think they took it personally because they hated when that was happening because it actually was tearing their family apart. But with that being said, that doesn't justify how they acted. And omg I can't believe that compared ab and loves line of thinking as those who think 911 was an inside job. That was such a crazy overreaction.
I’m with Love and AB here. Hila and Ethan are nowhere near the Kardashian’s level of celeb status so their experiences with PR will be completely different. The Kardashians have literally built an empire through being fake. Their bodies. Their lives. Their family relationships. It’s all adapted and refined for the best profit. If Kim really wanted to, I’d say she had all the power and means to shut Kanye’s social media down (which is what I’d do if my kids were constantly being involved). She hasn’t done so because her image is benefiting from how public Kanye is wilding out. And while I think her thoughts on people not working may be what she truly feels, I also think they intentionally included that interview clip to stir up some drama. Kris is known as being a very calculating business woman. They have scripted interviews, talk show and paparazzi interactions for years. Watch now as Kim makes a public apology and becomes an advocate for helping the unemployed.
How would you know anything ab PR Agency’s tho? Have you had any interactions with any??
Part of what makes that family interesting to everyone is how out of touch they are. They come off larger than life and that can work for them with both positive and negative attitudes. I totally agree they intentionally kept the clip in and knew it would pop off!!
It's like every single crew member, even Hila, doesn't want to/can't tell Ethan to stop being rude and interrupting.
Hila and Ethan should be ashamed of themselves on how they treat their employees. And Hila saying Kim has "Yes Men" around... Have you looked around your studio? All you guys do is hire fans. Which I'd argue is unethical too. It creates a toxic power dynamic.
Travis was literally involved with people being stomped until they were unalive at his show less than 6 months ago, and were here talking about Kim, Ye, Pete, and that whole circus. If that doesn't tell you that every move the Kardashians make is deliberate and planned, idk what else could.
also, right around the same time of astroworld, we got flooded with pics of Travis Baker and Kourtney, to get people to talk about them and not astroworld.
@@soccerlovergirl1 also like on the second day ye had a post about his mom. And that played with my emotions
@@QTpatootie95 can’t you insult someone without dragging a whole group of disabled people into it? Adding “with peace and love” doesn’t make something less offensive.
Yeah. Ethan ranting about how no one is competent enough to do all this just made me think about Kris Jenner and how she literally built an empire around her daughters. Like she knows what she's doing.
Yeah how can they say these things aren't orchestrated when Kim's entire career and her fame started with an orchestrated "private" sextape.
Well this episode was…. Interesting, to say the least. I firstly don’t understand how you can deliberately invite someone to your show and then act like you don’t want anything to do with them. And the fact that Ethan and Hilda has never had any good experiences with PR-teams says absolutely NOTHING in this case. I love H3 and have been a fan since the Humongous era, but they are “only” RUclipsrs. Of course they don’t have they don’t hold the same standard as the Kardashians. Tone deaf, and also the way they speak to the crew sometimes, especially A.B.
HILDA lmaooo
@@scivnce4273 fan behavior 💋
The end was wack. Love was so on point. Kardashians are fully curated every second of the day to say and do what will keep their names at the front of conversations ESPECIALLY when they are launching something like the new show.
Kardashians have a marketing team like any other company. Planning a provocative line isn’t really comparable to planning 9/11 lmao. Peace and love
@@ThugDestroyer I know they believe what they say but I also know that what is seen about them publicly is not authentic and off the cuff. I don’t think she is reading off a giant poster board with the words written out for her but they do get questions ahead of time to sit and think about what answers to provide. They are a brand and brand perception is controlled by marketing teams. She can believe what she says and also have a team to help keep every word she says at the top of every conversation in the country.
@@ThugDestroyer bro you’re under everyone’s comments telling them they “missed the point”. but most people are actually upset that ethan and hila comparing themselves to the kardashians and the disrespect they showed ab and love calling them paranoid conspiracy theorists as well as the uncomfortable astrology segment
@@ThugDestroyer ok????????? did I not just agree with that statement?
@@ThugDestroyer obviously the lardashians are entitled literally no one is debating that. but kim’s entire career is built upon pr stunts. and “sensitive”? this podcast is uncomfortable to watch and an overwhelming majority agree w that sentiment. if the audience finds the podcast unwatchable the crew should know about it so they can find a way to accommodate their viewers
With peace and love Ethan and Hila’s “trust me I know” attitude rubbed me the wrong way.
Ethan and Hila completely shut them down. Their drama and the Kardashians drama are on two different levels. The Kardashians are known for good and bad attention
Hila and Ethan should be ashamed of themselves on how they treat their employees. And Hila saying Kim has "Yes Men" around... Have you looked around your studio? All you guys do is hire fans. Which I'd argue is unethical too. It creates a toxic power dynamic.
@@Donny_McGillicuddy you're the first person i've seen talk about how gross it is that half their crew is fans, thank u
LOVE AND AB FTW!!! Go against the family boys. Hila and Ethan aren’t right point blank. Love these comments about it. Hila talks about “yes people” being around them yet that’s exactly what they expect Love and AB to be whenever they say their opinions. Love the queen but Hila needs to take a step back with peace and love…
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I’ve never seen Hila get so heated over something she knows nothing about. JUST SAYIN
No, Love and AB are right. Everything they do and say is so calculated and rehearsed. Ethan and Hila comparing their dramas/controversies to the kardashians is irrelevant. It is a whole different playing field. Their entire careers have been built on their personality and drama. It can be both something she believes and planned, which I believe it is both.
What personality? Lol
Exactly! Kardashian careers were shaped by tabloids. It started before the whole RUclips thing too. Love Ethan and Hila but their drama and PR attempts are different. With peace and love ❤️
omg thank you!! they kept speaking over AB and Love and saying shit like “that’s not how the world works” but then they use Logan Paul, a RUclipsr, and the Suicide Forest Incident, some thing much more drastic than Kim’s ignorant statement, as an example. It’s clear that they’re thinking from their RUclipsr lens and not the Hollywood atmosphere where the Kardashians have built their entire enterprise from PR stunts and controversies.
Also ethan is involved in fake drama with oliver tree
YES! This part really pissed me off. Ethan and Hila seemed to get very defensive as a result of their perspective being bias due to their own personal experiences with being accused of faking drama. They are coming from a RUclipsr perspective as opposed to Hollywood reality TV. I feel like it would have been better for them to hear the guys out instead of interrupting them and speaking down to them. I really didn’t like this conversation because they should be more open to hearing a different perspective and try not to get so defensive. Disagree and having a conversation about the disagreement is great and healthy, but this wasn’t productive. It’s teaching the other party not to speak up because they won’t be heard, even if that is not your intention.
I'm with Love. There's a definitely a chance Kim doesn't believe what she's saying and it's somewhat scripted. Even Ethan was sceptical about Logan Paul's fake pokemon box opening he was saying that might be fake and he's a youtuber. Kim is an A list celebrity so much of her life is a script.
YES there’s no way Kim didn’t think what she said would be controversial. Her whole life people accuse her of being famous for no reason, so there’s no way she believes what she’s saying or thinks it will go down well.
Whether or not she truly believes in it is irrelevant in terms of public backlash. I hold opinions that I know are considered to be widely controversial and yet I wouldn’t make them apparent because it would be obvious that people would find it offensive. The only difference is that I can’t commoditise my remarks like they can.
Ethan and Hila comparing their peasant drama to billionaires is hilarious.😂😂😂😂
@@sneakysealpuptv9379 compared to kardashians? Most people think that
They really have taken on a VERY Bougie persona lately. I hate it! They used to be so humble and grateful for their fans/following. They really have let their egos run wild. Sad.
i feel like they were comparing because even tho they are way smaller celebrities small dramas they had were so horrible that they can’t even imagine what it’s like on Kardashina’s level
@@sneakysealpuptv9379 to be fair, you barely have two pennies to rub together comparitively. They are a whole lot closer to Kim and Kanye than you are to them
@@soggybiscotti8425 Actually, it's about the same comparatively. Kim alone is worth about 100 times more than Ethan and Hila combined. On top of that, their family has generational wealth and power and is like the most famous family in the world. The Kardashians definitely have access to better PR teams
Also- why have the astrologer pull up and have everyone’s birth charts ready if you’re only going to talk about your own?
I was wondering the same it was mostly talking about himself and then telling her how he doesnt believe and the segment was super awk but i still enjoyd it. Would have loved to learn about the others charts though
Ethan doesn’t like that everyone wants more crew time
@@laure26 i hope he will see that we love the crew they are part of our family
We didn't get to see everyone else's chart! u.u
idk if its just me but i think dan would look insanely cool with full sleeve tattoos lol
he should tattoo the dome
The vibe of Ethan and Hila this ep gave me the ick..with peace and love think about how y’all talk to people.
Same!
Hila and Ethan should be ashamed of themselves on how they treat their employees. And Hila saying Kim has "Yes Men" around... Have you looked around your studio? All you guys do is hire fans. Which I'd argue is unethical too. It creates a toxic power dynamic.
@@Donny_McGillicuddy why the fuck do you think you know everything that goes on between ethan/hila and their employees?
Its never that serious. Most of the show is shtick. This is a comedy podcast at the end of the day.
With peace and love, I’m glad there’s people who support Ethan and Hila whilst at the same time holding them accountable and calling them out when need be
Hila and Ethan should be ashamed of themselves on how they treat their employees. And Hila saying Kim has "Yes Men" around... Have you looked around your studio? All you guys do is hire fans. Which I'd argue is unethical too. It creates a toxic power dynamic.
Im with Love and AB in the Kardashian part. “Any publicity is good publicity”. I thought Hila and Ethans reaction to Love and AB was very disrespectful.
Because Ethan can't comprehend it, it must not be true. Seems to be his mentality. The crew is 1000% right they script about everything, especially now days
Right, coming from the 2 ppl who watch the bachelor and shit think it's pretty much real, but admitting alot of the drama is fake. So.... How come other reality shows can be faked or atleast orchestrated and Keeping up w the Kardashian's n their new show.... Such a weird take lol but them tag teaming ab and love because they have a different take than them was awkward
I get that Hila finds it frustrating when they're being accused of faking drama, but it's really not comparable. A small controversy of Kim saying something tone deaf is easily forgotten after everyone's talked about it for days, RUclipsrs being at each other's throats it's not the same.
Hila gave Kim way too much credit, she seems to think she's a decent person.
@@BasedGodProdigy I get why, Hila gets so much shit for the littlest things and can probably relate to Kim in that way and wants to give her the benefit of the doubt. Problem is Kim has shown time and time again she doesn't deserve that.
The astrologer deserves more respect. Talking about ordering food in between her call? Talking over her? Why even have her over if you’re going to be close minded the entire time.
Totally agree, they were negative about her from the very start. So weird that they would even have her on then.
yeah i didn’t like how ethan was kind of mocking her
Yeah taht was disgusting embarrassing behaviour :/
i think they brought her on just to make fun
I felt bad for her, you could see she was getting annoyed. Love the podcast, but that habit of Ethan talking over people or clowning guests when he doesn't agree with their point of view is :/
i say this with absolute peace and love, this podcast has been my comfort throughout the hardest time of my life… but ab and love deserve an apology and to have their opinion be shown. the thing i love most about this podcast is the relationship between the host and the crew. every other episode i have felt that the energy between each was magnetic and that the crew was allowed to express their thoughts. people can have off days and this was definitely an off day for ethan and hila. regardless love and ab deserve apologies for being shot down in such a demeaning way
Ethan and Hila clearly lost a little touch with reality. Listen to Love more, he is relatable to the audience and thinks like a normal person, not a rich LA celeb.
So true, when he first spoke up about it my thoughts were “wow I was thinking the same exact thing” just to watch him be completely dismissed and shut down repeatedly
Echo chamber
Love nailed it. With peace and love it’s a little bizarre to see them compare themselves to the Kardashians … I completely respect their opinion and their experiences but I don’t know that their situation is comparable to the Kris Jenner clan…
Watching after Ethan refused to make apologies and holy shit, the comment section was right. Props to Maren for her professionalism. An incredible eloquent individual. Far more than Ethan lmao
Nah she’s lucky she got any type of publicity considering she’s a known white supremacist in the astrology community
@@K.pendragon really? What'd she do
@@snoozyq9576she steals her information from black astrologers
The way their guest was treated was really hard to watch. Cutting her off and talking over her to make jokes was so rude and unnecessary. I’m surprised no one, including Hila, spoke up for her. I love this show, but this really turned me around about how they treat people. I honestly feel sorry for her wasting her time. Wow.
i totally agree. I almost just clicked out of the video. The whole point of the guest is to hear what they have to say not to talk about lunch or constantly interrupt. Ethan just keeps shutting down other people’s ideas in this video and it’s really irritating
Agreed I actually had to skip ahead because it was so hard to watch
I agree. I don’t believe in astrology but I thought it was an interesting segment and it would’ve been interesting to hear about the crews signs too. But Ethan was being rude af and just dismissing her. This is why people don’t want to come on the podcast.
I agree, it was incredibly rude and a waste of her time.
Yeah...i can still tell that Ethan and the crew especially were trying to be respectful to her. I don't believe in astrology but it bothered me that she got cut off so often, her being a guest. Although Ethan does that a lot to anyone I guess...
jesus the disrespect from hila and ethan was unreal. so comical that they believe these PR systems don’t exist, you two just can’t afford them lmfao
Lmaooooo amen
I am 100% with Love and AB and you should've at least listen to them. And the fact that Kourtney of all said "that's so true" lol. Like she was the one accussed of not running a business from Kim a few years ago and now she is a hard worker because of her copycat Poosh business? No! Probably Kris is a PR mastermind and she is def on another level. She probably hoped Kourt will get some of the heat too.
This is such a stretch to me 🤣i think ethan is more spot on about how kim, like many other rich people, really do believe that their more superior because they “work hard” than anyone
The only people holding this podcast together lately are the crew LOL can we just have weeks where they come on and Hila and Ethan stay home and whine
Whining is what you're doing, just piss off
Facts
i agree lol. ethan's been annoying lately.
I agree with you here
I normally get annoyed but these comments but watching this made me really understand. I don't like seeing this behaviour either
I agree with Love and AB about the Kardashians. Mega famous people orchestrate things and relationships all the time. Jennifer Aniston is a good example. She disappears between projects, but when she has something to promote just before the project drops, she's all of a sudden in a new relationship, getting dumped or sad about not being a mother and all over magazines. It would not surprise me at all if the Kardashians were manufacturing scandals.
They are also well known for using new relationships and pictures of the children, going as far to photoshop kids into family outings, as a distraction method from the real scandals.
As a long time fan way before the Podcast this episode kinda hurt, not gonna lie. The call was horrible, I felt bad for the Astrologer - you really should not talk like that to a working class person who took extra time out of their day to prepare all of this. Acting like that towards AB and Love was painful aswell. I always thought the working environment must be super nice at H3, but those past episodes some crew members seemed kind of intimidated and held back a lot. Comes off a bit tense, ngl. The crew dynamic really makes the show, but only works if everyone can express their opinion. Ethan and Hila's judgement is clouded and tone-deaf recently - I dont know if its just stress with the baby & co. or just classism - but you guys gotta work this out or the show will drop in quality fast.
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Interrupting her to talk about their lunch order was beyond cringe. And talking down to AB and Love about the planned Kardashian drama was soooo hard to watch. How does Hila really think their RUclips drama is on the same level as Kim Kardashian?
Yesss. I’m at the astrologer part rn and it’s so hard to watch. They’re being SO rude; Ethan especially
did ya really just call that crypto astrologer a working class person LMAO
Agreed. I've been trying to be open minded about it, but I do feel like Ethan could be more respectful.
Have to agree with a lot of points made in several comments: astrology interview being hard to watch when it felt like she wasn't being taken seriously and without the respect you might expect to get when being a guest on a show, as well as the last part with the incredibly intense criticism of AB & Love's argument from Ethan and Hila.
I have been a fan for over 5 years and still is a massive one, always watching every episode when it comes out and even rewatches a lot of content from time to time, but, I would really appreciate if the podcast actually highlights some of the recurring (negative) patterns which Ethan specifically follows. And with perhaps even mentioning certain feedback on these kinds of videos we could all come to an understanding where this doesn't happen as much and it would really feel comforting to know that the audience is being involved and listened to when it comes to future segments. Would hate for people to be turning away from the podcast because of such things like this when they really are so amazing 99% of the time, and when it could easily be avoided.
Damn. I’m a huge h3 stan but I want to take a break after this episode. I literally said out loud to my tv “let her speak” during the astrologers segment. So sad to watch her be talked over and shut down, it’s okay to be skeptical but damn the disrespect was too gnarly for me. Turned me off in a major way :/
He does that a lot … it’s a character flaw for sure. One time he had a fan call in to discuss why he no longer enjoyed the podcast like he used to and Ethan just kept cutting him off, talking over him, and being rude af. And the guy was soooo polite and respectful. It made him look like a total douche. lol I’ve come to realize that Ethan really just can’t help himself and I have to accept that part of him if I’m going to enjoy the content because I honestly don’t see him changing. I do believe strongly that ethans a good guy overall and he means well, but when he gets hype about something and thinks he knows all and he’s right it IS such a turnoff. Like be a little more humble bro you don’t always have to be f*cking right 🙄
@@Mojojojo85757 one hundred percent
Why is it so hard for Ethan and Hila to believe that the Kardashians could intentionally manufacture drama for publicity? Isn't TRISHA a prime example of someone that says dumb or outrageous things just to start drama and get views?
I reckon she's just naturally dumb.
Exactly!!!
Not everything is black and white , I think it’s both real and manufactured or scripted
I’ve been reading comments about how Hila took it so personally because going through the Trisha drama was hell for them. Ethan and hila may not have been faking any of it, but I’m sure Trisha was and they just never realized it because they just lumped all her antics in with her BPD symptoms. Trisha is probably hate watching this ep right now and laughing at the irony of it all
@@Junitunes Trisha's motive for them falling out is something only she knows, but what we do know factually is that Trisha frequently said absurd things on the show that are provably false for attention, like her not knowing what the Holocaust was, lying about the dog she was given, lying about the teacher. That's not even including the off-air stuff that was as dumb as Kim's comment, of which she's been saying for years for attention like: being gay is a choice, supporting Mitt Romney, making fun of trans people and then lying about it etc.
If Ethan doesn't get it by now and genuinely thinks people like Kim are genuinely dumb, then he's choosing not to see it. He literally already fell for this before. Even outside the toxic stuff, Mr Beast and Ludwig have spoken about the art form of calculation when making content and media/PR.
I’m incredibly confrontation avoidant, I get so much second hand embarrassment or anxiety that I physically have to turn stuff off. The podcast has allowed me to be privy to sometimes uncomfortable conversations, which has helped me a lot. For that, I’m really grateful!
This episode, however, was more than I could handle. The amount of volatility, talking over one another, disregarding others opinions (whether it be the Crew’s or the Astrologers)… it just really cut me deep. The astrology bit was especially hard, as Ethan’s behavior made me kinda sad. I don’t want to project my own trauma on the situation- but Ethan’s quick remarks after the astrologer would say something followed by him immediately looking over to the crew for laugh validation reminded me of getting bullied in high school. It seemed like Ethan felt super out of his element here, which I can respect and would’ve felt the same. But instead of approaching this with a genuine interest in learning a new point of view and using that nervous energy to grow, it manifested as insecurity that led him to become overbearing in conversation and unkind towards other’s perspectives.
Everyone here is human, no one deserve’s to be crucified over this. I appreciate that these comments are as loving as they are critical. I’m hopeful that next episode we get some time devoted to discussing the mishaps of this ep and reconciling.
Yes! I totally get what you saying. Bully vibes from ethan were all over astrologer segment
Well said -especially about the laugh validation
You sound like you need to chill and grow a skin thicker than .00001 millimeters. “waaaa they’re clowning an astrologer waaa”. Give me a break shes an astrologer and known scammer look her up before getting in your feelings duke.
its not that deep
I hope Ethan addresses how he acted towards AB, Love and the astrologist on Monday. It was very disrespectful to belittled AB and Love for their opinions and was very rude to cut off your guest. No wonder they can’t get anyone on the show. I love this show it has been getting my through college but this episode just wasn’t a vibe.
Not ethan and hila who worship real house wives comiing out here and saying stuff isnt scripted😶