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All of this talk that "McLaren need to impose team orders" assumes that Piastri's contract even allows them to do this. If Mark Webber is any kind of decent manager, he will have made damn sure that what happened to him at Red Bull can never happen to Piastri.
They need to discuss the situation with Oscar and his team for this year, for sure. I reckon that for 2025 they will be allowed to race without constraint.
@@LawVS Hmm. I'm assuming they already doing this racing without constraint. If next season Lando is again second in the WDC standings, will they discuss the situation again to Oscar? Pretty sure Webber will prevent this, assuming there is a stipulation in the contract.
Very true and thats a double edged sword. Because they are both good drivers and pretty evenly matched. If they cant give team orders then they are most certainly going to be giving championships away.
I see this being the new Max/Daniel. Daniel was the homegrown kid with lots of promise, destroying his teammates, until a mentally bulletproof rookie showed up and rapidly improved. RB knew Max was the "chosen one" and risked firing a 7x gp winner to prove it. The similarities are striking
@darkstar2480 Daniel "ran" because RB was prioritising Max. It's near impossible to beat a teammate when they have the backing of the team But I do think Lando will want out if Oscar does become the better driver
Mark Webber went through all of this before. Once bitten twice shy as they say. Between Mark and Oscar and given how desperate McLaren were to sign Oscar I can only image what precautions Mark/Oscar built into Oscar’s contract.
I find it kind of hyprocytic of Mark to be honest. 14 years ago, he was calling out Seb for his selfishness, and now he's grooming oscar to do to Lando what Seb did to him. Just let them race until the championship potential crystallizes, and then - if you don't have a car that can still get the 1/2 every race in whatever order - support the campaign of whoever positioned himself to be in the fight. Next year, back to 0, both drivers get the same chance.
@@bl4xxun Weber has since said that he should have turned his engine back up and fought Seb, and he has also said that Seb’s actions that day _showed the mentality of a champion_ He knows Oscar’s potential. He is absolutely going to encourage him to be as ruthless as possible without crossing a line the team won’t tolerate. (Red Bull will tolerate an awful lot by a driver that is their chosen one of the moment. McLaren aren’t RedBull, and especially when you have to drivers closely matched, pulling a stunt like that might find you coincidentally compromised by strategy during the next race)
@@valerierodger pretty sure if Lando loses this drivers championship by less than 10 points (7 from Budapest and 3 from Monza), he will leave at the end of 2025, and McLaren probably will get Bartoletto (cause I see future WC in him too, as you see in Oscar), and he will also follow the same example of Oscar and have a Mark Webberesque type contract, as a result, you will swap your stance from appreciating the contract to hating it. --> And when that happens Oscar will get the taste of his med - ruthlessness.
If Norris falls short of winning the championship because Piastri is faster than him and takes points of Norris, then Norris is not deserving of the title, simple as that. Why would anyone want to see a driver become champion because he was GIFTED wins and higher points finishes?
The question isn't Norris being deserving of a title (in my opinion, even as a Norris fan, he's made too many mistakes to call himself a championship level driver this season). The real question is... are McLaren so willing to give up a WDC fight? Most teams could only DREAM of being in this position. First WDC title fight in a decade, being a customer team, first non-RB or Mercedes winner since Brawn in 2009, AND having the chance to topple one of the most dominant drivers ever. This is a golden opportunity for them, and they're throwing it away for some reason.
@@BoPunk when will people learn that Lando would not have overtaken Piastri if McLaren didn't undercuthim. Even before the undercut Lando couldn't catch bc of the dirty air. Sure in clean air lando would have been quicker but if McLaren did their job right Pisatri would've won fair and square with no debate because Oscar would've lead the whole way with Lanod not being able to catch.
@@DarioevangelistiI mean he is really fast but I think he needs to get a bit more consistent in Qualifying and iron out all the occasional little mistake (like the once in Hungary). If Lando can start first lap well, right now he is a better driver (marginally ofcourse).
@@Darioevangelisti" 2" plus the only reason oscar is close is bc of Austria but yeah first pass leclerc then think about his teammate whos in a championship fight
@@DeltanOptima That wont happen for a few years. Charles and Oscar basically improved at similar rates. Lando improved much slower. hes never had the raw speed of Charles or George, and likley never will, he isnt that strong wheel to wheel, and he makes way more mistakes (made more mistakes in Monza alone than Charles has all year) Charles is Probabaly the most complete driver now, alongside Max Alonso, Lewis and Carlos lack the raw pace, tho they make up for it with experience and brains. George makes too many mistakes. Piastri, tho improving fast, still struggles to be consistent through a race and still struggles at high deg tracks.
Oh brother you're still crying about this smh. Norris couldn't even catch Piastri give it up. Norris is quick but people need to stop blaming his teammate for his poor starts @@mrsilver10
I get mocked on RUclips for saying the same things you have said. Piastri is a racer. Unless he’s told to stay behind Norris he will race. He’s won every category he’s raced in.
We have watched Oscar from his rookie starts of getting trounced by Lando and completely incapable of managing his tires, improve drastically literally from one race to another, catch Lando in capabilities, and now we’re witnessing him begin to surpass him. Lando knows it too, he knows that without Mclaren ORDERING Oscar to let him win, he’s about to get embarrassed with the way this season ends up.
The only reason why mclaren is thinking about ordering piastri to help lando is because lando is close to max in points and theres only a few races left. If it was the other way round mclaren would make lando help piastri. You never know who has best car next year and now that mclaren has the chance to win both championships they have to go for it.
As much as I don’t want to say it you might be right. That being said I think if Norris does get his head on right, he is far more capable of building a better race weekend than Piastri, but most of that is just due to his experience, meaning that his main advantage is quickly dwindling. If Norris can secure two dominant weekends in a row (like verstappen or Hamilton) he could def get McLaren to fully back him but he missed a good opportunity in monza
The irony of having two "number 1 drivers" being that this policy will make so they don't have a driver that actually carries the number 1 on their car. And, btw, as a brazillian, I really wish people would stop referencing that Senna quote... He later said the quote was just what he came up with to justify crashing with Prost and that it didn't make any sense throwing away a race to "go for a gap" ... if you know that gap isn't going to be there when you get it. So yeah, it's basically bs.
It’s so refreshing to see somebody else who understands that quote in context! And yeah, you would think that McLaren would have learned something in 2007 when both their drivers lost the title by a single point!
No number one and no team orders is McLaren DNA. Lauda & Prost, Prost & Senna, Montoya & Raikkonen, Alonso & Hamilton. Williams were the same. When Ferrari started the no.1 thing everyone moaned and complained. Piastri will support Norris one it is mathematically impossible for him until to win the championship. Until then, game on.
A certian Australian: "Either you beat the hell out of your teammate, or you become the not-too-bad-for-a-second-driver for the rest of your career, choose your poison."
I think that in a team like McLaren nobody would become a second driver like it is in red bull. Its more like, both drivers have a chance to prove themselves for the first 60% of the season and then a decision is made. But at the same time at the moment Piastri is the second driver, if we look at upgrades. For the second year in a row Piastri has always gotten upgrades later.
@@karlloovali4531 Parts-wise, it’s logistically INSANE to upgrade both cars the same weekend. You HAVE to choose one. Also, team orders and getting upgrades later are very different things. I understand why team orders aren’t banned but I don’t understand why the fans are asking for them. Don’t we want racing?? Lando should earn it on track.
@@karlloovali4531 McLaren probably would not openly declare someone to be a second driver, but if you're Oscar...you're still going to play it safe and have that "I'm not the second driver"-thing in writing in a binding contract, no?
Drives me crazy that people ALWAYS get the Senna quote wrong… When Senna said ‘If you no longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver’, there WASN’T a gap he was going for. He was attempting to justify his actions in intentionally crashing into Prost to take him out of the 1990 Japanese GP and secure the WDC. So if you’re quoting him, understand what you’re advocating for is intentionally taking out another driver.
That's the only reason piastri move is a good move. He's willing to take a crash and cost them both drivers points cuz he's not likely to win the championship. Norris has a substantially higher chance of winning the championship so he has to be more careful. There's nothing amazing about that move. He knows the other guy has to be more careful so he's more aggressive about the move. Very similar to verstappen in 2021. He was willing to crash wheel to wheel with Hamilton because he was ahead the vast majority of the year. Hamilton had to be extra careful most of the time.
But it worked for him. It worked for Schumacher. It works for Verstappen. So he was right. If there is no gap, you proceed to create it and then you go for it.
@@divinitygaming8673 yeah it's not great driving/racing it's almost quite the opposite. At least in my opinion. But that's kinda why I never liked Schumacher and don't like Verstappen.
Lando has had the fastest car for I’d say 9 races, he had upgrades before Oscar, and has been in the team for multiple years. He has thrown wins away and shown he is struggling wheel to wheel and defending. He’s constantly given the undercut when in worse positions and still is losing more points each week. It’s almost like he just resigned himself to the fact he won’t win this year
It's all rather simple, if Norris wants to be exclusively treated as the number 1 driver, he has to act like a number 1 driver. Furthermore, if Norris was delivering the results of a number 1 driver every week, we simply wouldn't be here having this discussion. If you think about it, Norris just does not have a feel about him of a driver worthy of winning a World Championship. Sure we all want someone other than Max to win, but Norris has thrown away so many chances this year, and the majority are his own fault.
All he had to do in Monza or even Hungary was keeping the lead after lap one. He is quick so I'm pretty sure he would have won both races. Easy +20 points. He has everything to win that title, but somehow just not enough skill
Norris has the same problem as Perez the stuff going on in his head is holding him back. If Perez straight up threw everything he had into last years races. The gap between them would be a lot smaller, Norris is choking under pressure in a way that someone like Max or Oscar simply doesn't in the same way.
You are correct, he has to give up this idea of racing his teammate gently like they were still a midfield team, and demand team orders as a number one driver would. Norris is making the sort of mistakes that drivers make when they start fighting at the front. And in spite of those mistakes, he still leads Oscar in the championship, which is why when there is a chance at somebody taking the drivers title, McLaren throw their support behind him like any other team would.
“Because right now, Brazil needs a formula 1 driver on the Grid” - as a Brazilian and a McLaren fan, I felt that 🥹 It would be a dream for sure 💚 Btw, your “Gabriel” pronunciation is on point 👌🏻 Cheers from Brazil 🇧🇷 🇧🇷
Sheesh. It's lightning speed from "Max will win everything" to "Oscar is better than Lando" to "Oscar needs to be the back-up driver so Lando can be WC."
I do reckon Oscar's potential is better than Lando's but this year has the latter with the better chance at the WDC. For 2025 though, it will be equal.
If you want to back one driver, only enter one car and have more teams on the grid.... manipulation is no different to match fixing, all drivers want to win.
Gabriel Bortoleto rocks! His Monza, Italy, F2 race is gold! Starting last and finishing first is a golden drive for those that missed it. A must watch. When you realise these guys are all driving the same car, Bortoleto is just at another level.
People keep saying giving Lando priority will demoralise Piastri, but they never consider what losing a championship thanks to the team not fully backing you will do to Lando
And they also underestimate Piastri’s intelligence and confidence. McLaren would simply be setting a precedent that the driver leading in the championship will be prioritized if there’s a title fight on the line. He has very little to lose by Norris being prioritized now, and a hell of a lot to gain by that precedent being established
I have heard Piastri's contract states that he can't touch his toes on Tuesdays. Weird I know, but it is true because the Internet is privy to all the details of driver contracts.
As someone who has watched F1 for more than 25 years, some of the comments in this video and other about this McLaren situation are frustrating, to say the least. It goes to show that some people are new to this sport. This whole situation with McLaren is easy to fix, just pick a Nº1 and a Nº2. To do that they need to be serious and currently they are anything but that. You cannot go "Lando, you are going to need Oscar" implying that Norris is the one driver in the team that will challenge for the WDC, and then turn around have a whole situation at Monza. I still believe that the swap at Hungary was stupid, Lando should've won that race. Alas, that is water under the bridge. There are 8 races left, EIGHT, not one or two, and McLaren is acting like there is nothing to lose. Whether people (and Oscar, his management and his fans) like it or not, Max Verstappen has 303 pts, Lando has 241 pts. He is 62 pts away, if RB doesn't improve, this is it, it will be the one chance Lando has, with 8 races left it is not impossible. Meanwhile, Oscar has 197 pts, he is 106 pts away, it is not going to happen for him. If both drivers start fighting now, not only would they kiss goodbye the WDC, but Ferrari is close in the constructors championship too. McLaren could easily jeopardize the WCC as well. I have 3 words for them: 2007 F1 Championship. As all of this is going down, I have been thinking of something that Zak Brown said on the last episode of the first season of Drive to Survive. It was 2018, and he announced that this 18 year old kid, Lando Norris, was going to be their driver for 2019. Brown described Lando as one of the best junior champions ever and that his CV suggested that "he is a future World champion". Well Mr. Brown, the future is here, what are you going to do?
Nice to see some wisdom - it's all these newbie fans to the sport with there awful comments, most definitely immature young guys, so flippant and hollow they change there allegiances after every single week. I have been watching F1 since 1991 - historically the teams have always prioritised the more experienced team mate.
For me personally I think giving Oscar the win was the right move in Hungary and the reason I felt then it was the right decision because it implied going forward Norris is N.1 and Piastri is N.2. Now as you can guess from my profile picture I'm a Ferrari fan but I'm of the opinion that Ferrari should not have won that race and it should have been McLaren. In my eyes McLaren could of and probably should of got a 1-2 or a 1-3 at least and with Lando leading. The whole thing in Monza just brings the whole decision in Hungary into question. If it wasn't to appease Piastri to get him on side to support Norris what was it for then? Rhetorical question. To me McLaren lost the race truly in their pre race meeting and Charles Leclerc Il Predestinato got half the work of winning the race done on the first lap. Speaking of Ferrari the similarities between the clown years of 2022 and the McLaren team of 2024 are eerily similar. For me McLaren couldn't ask to be in a better position in both championships and considering the current forms of all the teams. It's like they're taking their form for granted and as though complacency had entered the team.
I have a feeling that Lando momentarily forgot about the permitted hostile racing that McLaren allowed from Oscar. If it were a different car starting P2 I would assume he'd have driven more defensively.
Absolutely. But judging from the comments afterwards, I think that Zak was as surprised as Lando at that move - it was a brilliant move, But it definitely displayed a different interpretation of papaya rules 😄
100% . I read the other delusional statements that little oscar is the better driver, pretending to forget what in a disgraceful manner he won the Hungary Grand Prix, Mclaren taking Lando's hard earned win away from him..probabably on woke criteria, thats a dangerous virus these days.
I think that Piastri will win a championship before Norris, specifically I think he will do so next year. I am glad Piastri is being treated well, as he is now just as fast as Norris and sometimes faster with many years less of experience.
If the field is as competitive next year as it is shaping up to be at the moment, he will need to have the team prioritize him the same way that they should be prioritizing Norris now
@@valerierodger Yeah. I think it does say a lot that Piastri has been in for only a year and a half and he is already as good as Norris (or almost there). On top of that, he also came into a top team environment by the second half of his first season essentially. Amazing stuff, some serious Hamilton vibes from Piastri.
You never know who has best car next year. Everyone thought that this year Max would walk into his 4th title and next year too. McLaren has to go for drivers title this year as maybe next year they cant.
I think people forget that Verstappon accepted the number two rule when he 1st joined Red Bull and had great respect to his more experienced team mate.
"F your championship fight, not before I take it first lol." Like, for real, why would any racing driver wanted their teammate to become the champion before them?
@nakki123 Because Norris loyalists refuse to acknowledge how he came to lead the Hungarian GP... McLaren interfered with Piastri's race, and pitted the P2 car first to shield Norris from P3... Norris then turned the undercut from a shield against P3 to a sword against Piastri. He did so in the belief the team would anoint him as #1... Nope.
I’m late to this, but I feel like everybody is thinking from a team perspective when it comes to the drivers championship. Say Lando only wins the championship by 3 points, and those points were gained by Oscar giving him positions. If I were the driver, I would feel like I didn’t truly earn that championship . I would feel I was gifted it. So I get wanting to race and not be given positions.
@@Storm56346 Bortoleto is extremely gifted, I don't know if you watch F2 but he has pulled off some good overtakes - there's soo much talent in the lower formulas.
I wonder how much of the team’s order’s conversation is motivated by not wanting to see Max win again vs. Wanting to see Lando win the drivers championship.
@@mattt525 if Red Bull got their car back into form, he wouldn’t have a problem with it. He would just be making sure that Oscar got the same position and treatment that Max has. And he learned from multi 21 - No driver of his is going to make the mistake that he made that day, and any driver under his guidance is going to be taught to have the ruthless mentality that Seb showed that day
@@BrandoN-ie1np I think that would be for the best Oscar is not a team player and needs to be in a team where he can be exclusively number 1. Plus I think Norris and Piastris relationship has broken down now
Initially I was in favor of Lando giving Oscar back the position for 1st place with the understanding that Oscar would support him in his challenge for the title. After Monza, it's obvious that this isn't the case and I regret my previous criticism of Lando being selfish. Gloves off 🥊
Lando acting like a brat for ten laps in Hungary when he was supposed to give back a place he didn’t deserve us precisely why Oscar doesn’t give a sh1t anymore. Lando did this to himself.
To be fair, I don't see any reason to impose team orders. The last thing they need to do is demotivate Oscar when they are in a constructors title fight. At the end of the day, there is a LOT of money from the constructors, and none for the drivers.
So demotivate Norris by letting a title chance slip away? Which is worse being told to help your teammate for 7 races or losing a championship because your team won’t even help you
@@kingduck88 In my opinion, there is no reason a team should help a driver to a driver's title until the constructors is secured. The team has to come first. If you are having to be help constantly to the drivers title by everyone moving out the way, how much worth does that title actually have?
It’s not going to demotivate Oscar when he understands for well that playing the team game at this point set a precedent for when he is the one leading in the standings. You are not risking the constructors championship by imposing team orders. Have you not watched F1 for long or have you just not paid attention to how things work for almost every single drivers title? How do you expect a driver to win without team orders when he is up against another driver or drivers benefiting from either team orders and/or having a teammate incapable of challenging? Do you think Max’s title in 2021 is meaningless? Because the team, including Max, have acknowledged Max would not have won without Checo playing the team game, and there were a hell of a lot of team orders that year. If you look back through the years, outside of a car being absolutely dominant, WDCs have been won because of drivers following explicit or covert team orders (the reason the FIA gave up on trying to band team orders is because it was blatantly obvious it was still being used, especially with completely unsubtle things like “Fernando is faster than you.”)
@@valerierodger how can type all that, reference "Fernando is faster tham you", and completely forget how it completely demotivated Massa until he went to Williams. That probably cost Ferrari the constructors in 2012. You literally proved my point in one quote.
Only reasons they would leave. 1. McLaren isn't fast enough for title run 2. Someone backs up a truckload of $$$$$ 3. They are forced out I think this soap opera will go until 2030.
I think if Lando loses the championship by a close enough margin that he could’ve won if the team had only prioritized him by now, he will feel betrayed enough to look elsewhere. And even if the team _is_ fast enough for a title run, they would still have to be so absolutely dominant that it wouldn’t matter if their drivers were taking points off each other. See 2007
@@valerierodger Perhaps. Championship caliber cars are few and far between. There is no guarantee there will be a seat, or that someone else will beat him out for it.
Norris is a mental minow.... he's fast when not under pressure but if put under pressure? Insert the Benny Hill theme song, he's useless. Piastri drives like he wants to win at "all costs" he's a racer he proved that unequivocally with " that move" on Norris. I think they may have had to hose out Norris's cockpit after that race.
If Redbull made any interest in Oscar and Max was still racing, Webber might have a fistfight against Jos to ensure the team won't screw over the young Aussie like they did to him.
Jos won’t let Red Bull sign Oscar while Max is still there, and Webber won’t let Oscar become a second driver. Max is in the same position as Michael Schumacher was - any driver coming into that team while Max is there does so with the understanding that they are playing second to Max.
@valerierodger Max is likely to leave soon as it stands RB is uncompetive unless they start choosing someone else over Oscar he would be a ideal choice to replace Max he's also less likely to have all the drama involved
Oscar is not out of this years title, so he should continue to try go for it. More than enough points on the table and never know what is going to happen with Max and Lando. Or it could end up with Charles, all to play for. Personally I feel everyone just race your race and see what happens.
Oscar telegraphed his future intentions at Monza, lap 1, turn 4, reinforcing the Oscar first attitude seen when Alpine apparently confirmed him... Since 2019 McLaren have won 4 races and a sprint. Oscar won 3 championships, had a year off, then won one of those races and the sprint. And it is harder to win a spec series because there's no car advantage. In the future Oscar will go to the best team that gives him the best chance. Loyalty? Nope
It's really funny to me how the narrative changed from "lmao, Norris actually thinks he's in contention for WDC" to "oh he'll lose by just a few points, why aren't McLaren doing more?!" Sure, he wants to go for it, but even Lando will know it's a long shot this year. Last year he said he's expecting to fight for wins this year (2024) and the championship next year (2025) After that, it's all new regulations anyway. Unless he gets an insanely good offer somewhere else, I think he's giving McLaren time until the end of 2027.
Everyone is talking about Norris' title ambitions, but it could ultimately also be Piastri walking away with that trophy by the end of the season. He shows that hunger every single race and I don't think Norris really deserved the title this year with all the mistakes and blunders he does.
Not watched yet but it's the mclaren way... senna prost came down to the drivers. Alonso Hamilton came down to alonso blackmail. I have to repect them for standing to it.... it will screw them but you have to respect their dedication to not picking title favourite over the rookie whos on par. The only problem being "you will need oscar" if that doesnt come around it's poor.
Toto impression wasn't bad but could use some work. No mention of Pumpernickel nor it's prime condition of being "hard like a cookie" left something to be desired. 18 points out of 26.
Hey LewVs. I have a question or 3 for you. How do you feel about current/retired drivers taking on and managing next generation into their wings (like Fernando and Mark Webber)? Also which retired/current driver do you want/wish to get involved with young drivers and manage them? and how does it effect young drivers program by the teams?
Honestly, I think the issue with "Papaya Rules" isn't that the team needs team orders but simply that they don't always adhere to it. They had orders in Hungary, they had orders in (iirc) Japan last year, and in Qatar as well. I think Penske does it best, never implementing orders to benefit any one of their drivers, ever. They send their pilots out knowing they'll have to race, and because of that there's never any drama unless they muck it up on track themselves. I'm against team orders personally, but I do think McLaren would be better off just committing to them instead of trying to sit the fence, giving orders sometimes but not others; it's the inconsistency that's causing the drama, and Stella needs to draw a line in the sand, one way or the other, if he has any hope of quelling that drama
If Mclaren has a competetive car there's no way both leave, I could see Lando leaving if Oscar keeps improving by leaps and bounds like he has this year. It's obvious that Oscar is the driver with the higher ceiling, whereas I think Lando pretty much peaked.
It will be interesting to see how things are at the end of this year. If I were Lando and I lost the WDC by less than consistent team orders would have provided I would be properly pissed - no matter how slight if a shot at the WDC comes along you absolutely have to take it as it may never happen again no matter how good you are. Yep, in such a circumstance I'd be out the door the moment a suitable alternate turned up.
I'm afraid he'll think about this even now no matter the outcome. He's been screwed by the team multiple times,once with Daniel when they weren't around to race so they could get the 1-2 (the irony), in Hungary when he had to give the victory away because the team made a mistake , he did nothing wrong,and now he's being attacked by his teammate in lap one that almost resulted in a crash,same teammate that drove like a maniac when Lando got his first win that the race engineer had to tell him to chill out not to cause a safety car. I'm sorry but Lando stood by this team when they were the bottom of the barrel and put that car multiple time in places it had no reason to be. And now that he has a shot at the WDC how minor it might be ,the team is like "Nothing to see here folks,move along".
I think the relationship on track and possibly Off track between Oscar and Lando has already soured thanks to Lando’s antics in Hungary when he was asked to give the position back. It seems to me that Oscar has switched into his terminator mode and he is just driving to look out for himself now because he’s seen what his teammate can do. I think Lando petulant behaviour will come back to bite him in the arse.
All this Oscar preaching doesn't change the fact that he is not going to catch Max this year. And as for Lando he has held his Papaya bargain both in Hungary and Monza which could have easily gone other way if anyone else was in his place. If Lando enters in his villain arc and ditch Papaya handbook couple of incidents here & there and for once Ferrari don't drop the ball, Constructors championship will be up in the smoke as well.
Ferrari winning the WCC would be glorious!!! RB would lose it because of Perez whose contract they extended and McLaren would lose it to their ridiculous midfield mentality…a huge lesson for both teams, plus I will never be unhappy with a Ferrari win
@@pots_83 RBR and Max losing both championship in the span of 8 months would put rocket 🚀 up their behind & will be absolute Box Office for F1 in 2025. As for McLaren you rightly said mediocre midfield mentality, Lando-Oscar can race as hard as they want in 25 but right here right now it's Lando's time and he deserves it. If Lando starts behaving like Oscar I am pretty sure there will be few incidents before the close of the season. I am perennial Ferrari fan would welcome any WCC but that Monza win was gifted them by McLaren & it was still ludicrous pitting just after undercut they just got racing gods on their side in Monza.
Lando did not do the right thing in Hungary. He acted like a spoilt brat for ten laps, completely ruining Oscar’s first win after Lando was gifted the double undercut which is the only reason he was in front in the first place. Oscar saw that and has decided the gloves are off.
@@valerierodgeryou mean after Oscar was told not to rush and take his time to warm up his tyres? You mean after Norris was gifted first place by getting a double undercut, because Oscar was driving away from Lando in the first two stints?
I agree with your opinion that the friction between Oscar and Lando stems from the direction and goals of the management (or the lack of), not their personal differences. They are both aware of their talents, strengths and weaknesses, and are currently probably the best lineup on the grid. What makes them frustrated is that the direction and orders from the team is basically: do whatever you can/want, just leave space and don't crash. Which they are both doing perfectly (no crashes, and racing fairly), and they are not at fault for the results of the races. Oscar is maybe a bit more calculated and hungry (at least it seems so, going for the gap at the first opportunity). Maybe the long game for the Mclaren is to let them duke it out, grow, be out of their comfort zone and for one of them to come dominantly on top and become the no1 driver. Which is fine in on itself, but my question would be. Do you think the driver will forget that a year or so ago. he could've went for the WDC, yet the team wanted to let them fight just to see who comes out on top. And that he needs to rely only on himself. Maybe you will have a top driver that went all in and is now considered top tier, but you will also have a driver that does not believe in the team, the strategy, and is an overly aggressive and toxic teammate which is hard to work with.
I am oh so frustrated at our team -.- What are they thinking and doing? -.- Bad strategy calls aside... They are doing their utmost best at throwing away the already slim (and decreasing) chance at the WDC. Are they afraid of Max and RB? Kinda looks like it tbh :/ Oscar's move was completely uncalled for. Yes it was a great move, but not one you make on your teammate fighting for the WDC. And the fact that that move took place, for me it reads as the team is not backing Lando for it. And no, I am not dumping on Oscar, if the roles were reversed I would be saying the same thing. Our papaya lads need to get it together and really and actually start being a team ffs -.- sry for the rant
Why would the move be uncalled for if he was told he was allowed to race? Oscar was hired as a racing driver, not reargunner like Bottas at Mercedes. The whole reason Oscar took Daniel's place was because McLaren wanted someone who, hopefully, could perform a bit closer to Lando's level. They specifically chose two drivers with World Championship potential. If Oscar isn't told to care about Lando's chances, why on earth would he? That's not what he was hired for, that's not his problem. (Obviously, that should go both ways: Lando also shouldn't care about Oscar's chances if he's not told to) If McLaren doesn't give instructions, Oscar would and should race for himself. Even Bottas, the one driver who immediately comes to mind when we think about reargunner drivers or drivers who were there to mostly help their teammate, had to be told to let Lewis through, or help Lewis, or abandon fastest lap attempts to secure Lewis' attempts at it. So why would Oscar have to act as a reargunner without even being told to do so?
@@robbetorfs4093 that is exactly the problem as I see it. McL are not caring about Lando chances at the WDC. And if the WDC positions were swapped, I would be saying the same thing about Oscar. For me the issue is that McL is not caring about the WDC, and that must be soul crushing to Lando rn tbh :/ There is a chance, small or slim, as it may be, and it oh so buggers me that the team is not taking it. That right there, not taking the chance at the WDC, is exactly what is buggering me -.-
@@LawVS that is what I see. but it buggers me oh so much, that there is a chance at the WDC, small or slim, and the team is not taking it. That right there is the thing that is rly buggering me tbh :/ Yes for the team the WCC is more important, but it must be so soul crushing to be a driver with a chance at the WDC and not having your team backing you :/ And that, not going for the chance of it, is the exact thing that is not only buggering me, but frustrating me Law :/
I really hope if there will be team orders, Oscar wont listen to it and be aggresive, he shud take points from lando only 1 person can be the best, sometimes it isnt about stepping back, sometimes stuff is for the taking.
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things also if Ferrari guys for example had McLaren car how close do you think they could be of Max in your opinion?
I think the main issue is Norris has had better one lap pace but Piastri is emerging out to be a far better and faster race driver with the current car. The only way to resolve this is either team orders or make the car development focus around Norris so as to help his race pace.
Norris has shown incredible loyalty to McLaren, signing long-term deal when they were absolutely nowhere. if he ends up leaving, it will be because he feels betrayed - and no better way to do that than to see him lose a championship because they didn’t throw their support behind him when he was the one that had the opportunity to do so, especially if he doesn’t have another opportunity in the next year or two. And they should be throwing their support behind him not because he deserves something from the team because of his loyalty, or that they owe it to him, it’s because at this point he has earned it - at the point at which Red Bull stumbled, and Max losing the title became a possibility, however slim, he was their lead driver by a significant enough margin that it was logical for them to do so. Oscar is ruthless, and Webber imparted the lessons that he learned the hard way, but Oscar is also intelligent and calculating. The chance of a drivers title for either of them this year is slim. The team prioritizing Lando at this point sets a powerful precedent for the next time title shot is possible and _he_ is the driver in the lead (And on a brief note, as on something else that was mentioned: ppl who use the quote about going for the gap really need to understand that he later admitted that was an excuse and that he was in the wrong pulling that move)
Simple solution would be whoever is higher in the standings in the summer break is the number 1 driver but before then it’s gloves off all out racing that way its a earned position each year not handed to one specific driver.
I don't think they would need to ask Sauber for a clause to get Bortoletto later, we know they are more than ok breaking contracts to get drivers, like what happened with Piastri/Daniel
Pato O'Ward is also an important contender for the McLaren seat. He's very successful in Indycar and was in the fight for the championship this year: he's seriously skilled. While I think he still has unfinished business in Indycar (winning the 500 is probably the biggest item on his checklist), I think he'd be more than happy to make the jump to F1, it's been his goal for a while.
Let's face it McLaren, Piastri and Norris have a few problems. 1/ McLaren is not good at strategy calls and need to sort this out. Calling Piastri in and leaving Le Clerc out was a mistake. Telling the boys they could go hard and race each other watchin each wear tyres while Charles sat and smiled watching McLaren play a mugs game was not wise. 2/ Norris is a slow starter and does not think well. Last race he jumped across to block his team mate and opened the door for his competitor to take him. Had Piastri not forced his way into the gap Norris would have been passed by Russell. Norris didn't play the team game from the start. Had he taken off and Piastri got the march on him, all he had to do was keep behind and conserve tyres and take Piastri later. Norris also lost his cool again when Piastri passed him and opened the door for another pass. 3/ Piastri needs to realise the team need to bring home 1-2 finishes. If he gets in front of Norris, they need to cruise and play the team game. Racing each other and letting Charles conserve tyres proved to be not the good idea. These 3 need to sit down and figure how to play smarter. And Piastri may own Norris in every race going forward. If that's the case, Norris may still take the drivers championship. Fun times.
My question is, when Oscar is ahead on points, fighting for the WDC, will Zac, impose team orders, and will Lando finally show some team spirit? My guess is no!
Piastri has done better in less time than Norris has. I think if you want to get a driver who will be epic in another year, (2026 new cars,) I would bet on Piastri first. This is why either Mclaren or AUDI needs to choose him as number 1 asap. Everyone talked about Sauber and thinks AUDI will be the same as Sauber, but the history of AUDI is that they come into a sport and dominate rather quickly. Piastri could be a number one with them, if he chooses to leave Mclaren after 25. Mclaren can't keep what are two number 1 drivers on their team at the same time.
As an Australian I want our drivers to win. I want both Oscar and Daniel to win every race. I want Daniel and Oscar to be the only 2 fighting for the Drivers World Championship... HOWEVER.... What McLaren is doing is self sabotage. After the Hungary debacle in which Oscar won, they should have imposed "Team Orders". If McLaren are gonna fight for the Drivers Championship, then they really need to focus and protect Lando..... and when I mean protect, I mean Oscar playing the No2 role..... just like Ronnie Pettersson did with Mario Andretti. I really thought that was the scenario for Monza. I was really surprised by Oscars pass on Lando. I "thought" that it was pre determined that Oscar was gonna play the No2 role for the remainder of the season.... it's logical. McLaren have an opportunity to take BOTH championships here, but they're not being pragmatic about it. The thought in my mind at the moment is "don't give Zak a gun at the moment because he may shoot both of his own feet." McLaren not only owe it to themselves to focus on Lando, but they also owe it to Lando. Next year is a different story.
Fellow Aussie here. The Constructors Championship is where the money is at. WDC is a nice driver bonus for racking up points. On Second thoughts if McLaren win the constructors but not the WDC they probably save $5m (my guesstimate) payout to Lando.
The big turning point will be at the end of the season. If Lando is less that 12 points from winning the drivers championship, it will be McLaren that cost him the title and he will blame McLaren and potentially trigger him to want to leave
McLaren have never used team orders between their drivers, you as a McLaren fan should know that. As for McLaren costing Norris points, he does that on his own too.
@LawVS okay yeah they used them in that driver pairing when there was a bit more of a gulf between teammates, but what about Senna vs Prost and more recently, Alonso vs Hamilton? When there is no clear advantage.
Im not agree with that McLaren never used any team orders, but that is true, Norris only can blame for this himself. Piastri only returning the favor when his dream was ruined halfway on Hungaroring, all his hard work was forgotten, and he is only a winner who got it by a gift.. if Norris give back the position immedietly, this all later things never happend.. Piastri worked hard for his dream, for his 1st race victory, and that was ruined by Norris. Norris dream is the championships, and it's also about halfway.. so Piastri only will say that, he will let him pass, if he can catch him.. he learned that from Norris..
@@elianioriofarrell and McLaren should have learned a lesson from Alonso vs Hamilton. in a season where they got themselves excluded from the constructors, they threw away the drivers title and watched as both their drivers lost the WDC by a single point
Why would either or both drivers leave the best team? They both feel they can beat the other. They are clearly free to race for now. Great to see by the way
I wonder if Laurence Stroll is talking quietly to Mark Webber about Oscar’s future if McLaren make a wrong move and sacrifice him for Lando’s ambition.
Okay, Foam time: I take a similar stance to Mr V from the Channel Mr V's Garage. Mark Webber negotiated Oscars Contract. Maybe, just maybe there is a "we don't do team orders" clause. Multi 21 Seb, multi 21!
No team orders is not sustainable - and there have already been team orders on both sides and both drivers have obeyed them. Webber has said that what he regrets is not turning his engine back up when he saw that Seb was coming from him, and that what Seb did was just the reflection of his champions mentality. Webber will guarantee that Oscar not be relegated to number two status, but he understands F1 enough to understand that team orders are necessary from time to time, and he understands that you can’t expect a team not to prioritize one driver over the other under certain circumstances - such as when only one of them has a shot at the title.
McLaren should stick to getting the race strategy straighten out. Let the drivers drive and sort out their position on the track. Wasn't their driving that lost Monza it was their racing strategies. And let me remind you this aint the first time this season it happened. Lando and Oscar are reacting as drivers should "we compete on the track" i want to see the race and not listen to the race. If i was here to look at politics maybe this would suit me . I am a race fan, fight and compete on the track, put out the best car, the best driver and stick it up the fannys of those who want to destroy the sport by trying to fudge the numbers buy strategic accounting maneuvers. First tire change after 14 laps What the fart is this? And i should trust them to choose who should be on top? Sorry no go! let them race it out and be who they really are and if any one else wins the championship so be it, just be fair and square. we should kick out this practice of team choosing and let the dice fall where they should.
The only thing that the team should worry about is getting better performance from Oscar at qualifying he must be P1 all the time. After which they should not have any more management issues. This is his only chalenge Oscar must get P1.
Even if the drivers change,the McLaren is slowly but surely becoming a beast,so even if i am not a McLaren fan ,i think they have the best Future ahead of the team,they are already entering the beast mode...
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I had to give you a Like just for Big Nose.
I was so close to make a comment about it. :D
I bet Webber still wakes up sometimes in anger screaming "Multi 21 SEB !!!"
xD xD xD xD xD
or not
What does that mean
@@wendymorgan6651 search for "The Formula 1 Iceberg Explained " its a tier 1 event.
@@wendymorgan6651 its explained in detail on most F1 iceberg videos, ( can't post link as it keeps getting deleted)
All of this talk that "McLaren need to impose team orders" assumes that Piastri's contract even allows them to do this. If Mark Webber is any kind of decent manager, he will have made damn sure that what happened to him at Red Bull can never happen to Piastri.
They need to discuss the situation with Oscar and his team for this year, for sure. I reckon that for 2025 they will be allowed to race without constraint.
@@LawVS Hmm. I'm assuming they already doing this racing without constraint. If next season Lando is again second in the WDC standings, will they discuss the situation again to Oscar? Pretty sure Webber will prevent this, assuming there is a stipulation in the contract.
Then McLaren were dumb af to put that in any drivers contract that wasn't a already established all time great.
This is exactly what I suspect as well.
Very true and thats a double edged sword. Because they are both good drivers and pretty evenly matched. If they cant give team orders then they are most certainly going to be giving championships away.
I see this being the new Max/Daniel. Daniel was the homegrown kid with lots of promise, destroying his teammates, until a mentally bulletproof rookie showed up and rapidly improved.
RB knew Max was the "chosen one" and risked firing a 7x gp winner to prove it.
The similarities are striking
Except that Lando isn’t even a 7x Grand Prix winner🥲
Arguably we are already seeing Lando crumble under the pressure. In my opinion anyways....
So are we saying Lando is going to run from the competition that is Piastri, like Ric did with Max?
@@bestwifman yet....
@darkstar2480 Daniel "ran" because RB was prioritising Max. It's near impossible to beat a teammate when they have the backing of the team
But I do think Lando will want out if Oscar does become the better driver
Mark Webber went through all of this before. Once bitten twice shy as they say. Between Mark and Oscar and given how desperate McLaren were to sign Oscar I can only image what precautions Mark/Oscar built into Oscar’s contract.
Bring it on, this will be fun!
Oh, I know all about what Mark went through
And as a seb Vettel fan, I feel Webber was done Dirty by red bull
I find it kind of hyprocytic of Mark to be honest. 14 years ago, he was calling out Seb for his selfishness, and now he's grooming oscar to do to Lando what Seb did to him. Just let them race until the championship potential crystallizes, and then - if you don't have a car that can still get the 1/2 every race in whatever order - support the campaign of whoever positioned himself to be in the fight. Next year, back to 0, both drivers get the same chance.
@@bl4xxun thats just how the sport works
@@bl4xxun Weber has since said that he should have turned his engine back up and fought Seb, and he has also said that Seb’s actions that day _showed the mentality of a champion_
He knows Oscar’s potential. He is absolutely going to encourage him to be as ruthless as possible without crossing a line the team won’t tolerate. (Red Bull will tolerate an awful lot by a driver that is their chosen one of the moment. McLaren aren’t RedBull, and especially when you have to drivers closely matched, pulling a stunt like that might find you coincidentally compromised by strategy during the next race)
@@valerierodger pretty sure if Lando loses this drivers championship by less than 10 points (7 from Budapest and 3 from Monza), he will leave at the end of 2025, and McLaren probably will get Bartoletto (cause I see future WC in him too, as you see in Oscar), and he will also follow the same example of Oscar and have a Mark Webberesque type contract, as a result, you will swap your stance from appreciating the contract to hating it. --> And when that happens Oscar will get the taste of his med - ruthlessness.
7:07 The Zack Brown impression is amazing
If Norris falls short of winning the championship because Piastri is faster than him and takes points of Norris, then Norris is not deserving of the title, simple as that.
Why would anyone want to see a driver become champion because he was GIFTED wins and higher points finishes?
Every single wdc has SOME team orders.
You mean like that GIFT in Hungary?
The question isn't Norris being deserving of a title (in my opinion, even as a Norris fan, he's made too many mistakes to call himself a championship level driver this season).
The real question is... are McLaren so willing to give up a WDC fight? Most teams could only DREAM of being in this position. First WDC title fight in a decade, being a customer team, first non-RB or Mercedes winner since Brawn in 2009, AND having the chance to topple one of the most dominant drivers ever. This is a golden opportunity for them, and they're throwing it away for some reason.
@@BoPunk when will people learn that Lando would not have overtaken Piastri if McLaren didn't undercuthim. Even before the undercut Lando couldn't catch bc of the dirty air. Sure in clean air lando would have been quicker but if McLaren did their job right Pisatri would've won fair and square with no debate because Oscar would've lead the whole way with Lanod not being able to catch.
Verstappen won’t have a teammate who takes points off him
Oscar WILL surpass Lando, as soon as next year. I'm sure of it.
He needs to get past Charles first tho
@@DarioevangelistiI mean he is really fast but I think he needs to get a bit more consistent in Qualifying and iron out all the occasional little mistake (like the once in Hungary). If Lando can start first lap well, right now he is a better driver (marginally ofcourse).
@@Darioevangelisti" 2" plus the only reason oscar is close is bc of Austria but yeah first pass leclerc then think about his teammate whos in a championship fight
@@DeltanOptima That wont happen for a few years. Charles and Oscar basically improved at similar rates. Lando improved much slower. hes never had the raw speed of Charles or George, and likley never will, he isnt that strong wheel to wheel, and he makes way more mistakes (made more mistakes in Monza alone than Charles has all year)
Charles is Probabaly the most complete driver now, alongside Max
Alonso, Lewis and Carlos lack the raw pace, tho they make up for it with experience and brains. George makes too many mistakes. Piastri, tho improving fast, still struggles to be consistent through a race and still struggles at high deg tracks.
Oh brother you're still crying about this smh. Norris couldn't even catch Piastri give it up. Norris is quick but people need to stop blaming his teammate for his poor starts @@mrsilver10
Drop them both pick up Valteri bottas and Zhou Guanyou and we vibe.
I can not be reasoned with.
valid
Based
Only reasonable take.
Valtteri wdc would feed families
Objectively the right take
I get mocked on RUclips for saying the same things you have said. Piastri is a racer. Unless he’s told to stay behind Norris he will race. He’s won every category he’s raced in.
We have watched Oscar from his rookie starts of getting trounced by Lando and completely incapable of managing his tires, improve drastically literally from one race to another, catch Lando in capabilities, and now we’re witnessing him begin to surpass him. Lando knows it too, he knows that without Mclaren ORDERING Oscar to let him win, he’s about to get embarrassed with the way this season ends up.
Well said
The only reason why mclaren is thinking about ordering piastri to help lando is because lando is close to max in points and theres only a few races left. If it was the other way round mclaren would make lando help piastri. You never know who has best car next year and now that mclaren has the chance to win both championships they have to go for it.
As much as I don’t want to say it you might be right. That being said I think if Norris does get his head on right, he is far more capable of building a better race weekend than Piastri, but most of that is just due to his experience, meaning that his main advantage is quickly dwindling. If Norris can secure two dominant weekends in a row (like verstappen or Hamilton) he could def get McLaren to fully back him but he missed a good opportunity in monza
The irony of having two "number 1 drivers" being that this policy will make so they don't have a driver that actually carries the number 1 on their car.
And, btw, as a brazillian, I really wish people would stop referencing that Senna quote... He later said the quote was just what he came up with to justify crashing with Prost and that it didn't make any sense throwing away a race to "go for a gap" ... if you know that gap isn't going to be there when you get it. So yeah, it's basically bs.
It’s so refreshing to see somebody else who understands that quote in context!
And yeah, you would think that McLaren would have learned something in 2007 when both their drivers lost the title by a single point!
@@valerierodger most entertaining way this season could finish is if they learn nothing and THROUGH GOES LECLERC
No number one and no team orders is McLaren DNA. Lauda & Prost, Prost & Senna, Montoya & Raikkonen, Alonso & Hamilton. Williams were the same. When Ferrari started the no.1 thing everyone moaned and complained. Piastri will support Norris one it is mathematically impossible for him until to win the championship. Until then, game on.
A certian Australian: "Either you beat the hell out of your teammate, or you become the not-too-bad-for-a-second-driver for the rest of your career, choose your poison."
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If Piastri allows himself to be a number 2 driver, he can kiss goodbye to ever becoming a world champion.
I think that in a team like McLaren nobody would become a second driver like it is in red bull. Its more like, both drivers have a chance to prove themselves for the first 60% of the season and then a decision is made.
But at the same time at the moment Piastri is the second driver, if we look at upgrades. For the second year in a row Piastri has always gotten upgrades later.
@@karlloovali4531 Parts-wise, it’s logistically INSANE to upgrade both cars the same weekend. You HAVE to choose one.
Also, team orders and getting upgrades later are very different things. I understand why team orders aren’t banned but I don’t understand why the fans are asking for them. Don’t we want racing?? Lando should earn it on track.
@@karlloovali4531 McLaren probably would not openly declare someone to be a second driver, but if you're Oscar...you're still going to play it safe and have that "I'm not the second driver"-thing in writing in a binding contract, no?
He really, really doesn't have that vibe
He can be number 2 for this year then next year is all man for him self
Drives me crazy that people ALWAYS get the Senna quote wrong…
When Senna said ‘If you no longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver’, there WASN’T a gap he was going for.
He was attempting to justify his actions in intentionally crashing into Prost to take him out of the 1990 Japanese GP and secure the WDC.
So if you’re quoting him, understand what you’re advocating for is intentionally taking out another driver.
And he even admitted later it was just an excuse and he was wrong to make the move.
That's the only reason piastri move is a good move. He's willing to take a crash and cost them both drivers points cuz he's not likely to win the championship. Norris has a substantially higher chance of winning the championship so he has to be more careful. There's nothing amazing about that move. He knows the other guy has to be more careful so he's more aggressive about the move.
Very similar to verstappen in 2021. He was willing to crash wheel to wheel with Hamilton because he was ahead the vast majority of the year. Hamilton had to be extra careful most of the time.
But it worked for him. It worked for Schumacher. It works for Verstappen. So he was right.
If there is no gap, you proceed to create it and then you go for it.
Driver statistics count too
@@divinitygaming8673 yeah it's not great driving/racing it's almost quite the opposite. At least in my opinion. But that's kinda why I never liked Schumacher and don't like Verstappen.
7:05 THE CAMERA😂
I had to replay that Zak Brown impression so many times.
Lando has had the fastest car for I’d say 9 races, he had upgrades before Oscar, and has been in the team for multiple years. He has thrown wins away and shown he is struggling wheel to wheel and defending. He’s constantly given the undercut when in worse positions and still is losing more points each week. It’s almost like he just resigned himself to the fact he won’t win this year
It's all rather simple, if Norris wants to be exclusively treated as the number 1 driver, he has to act like a number 1 driver. Furthermore, if Norris was delivering the results of a number 1 driver every week, we simply wouldn't be here having this discussion. If you think about it, Norris just does not have a feel about him of a driver worthy of winning a World Championship. Sure we all want someone other than Max to win, but Norris has thrown away so many chances this year, and the majority are his own fault.
All he had to do in Monza or even Hungary was keeping the lead after lap one. He is quick so I'm pretty sure he would have won both races. Easy +20 points. He has everything to win that title, but somehow just not enough skill
Norris has the same problem as Perez the stuff going on in his head is holding him back. If Perez straight up threw everything he had into last years races. The gap between them would be a lot smaller, Norris is choking under pressure in a way that someone like Max or Oscar simply doesn't in the same way.
@@RNA0ROGER Comparing Norris to Perez lol,bruh what are you smoking.
@@agraiell5048 The two drivers have much different upper limits. My point is they have the same underlying weakness
You are correct, he has to give up this idea of racing his teammate gently like they were still a midfield team, and demand team orders as a number one driver would.
Norris is making the sort of mistakes that drivers make when they start fighting at the front. And in spite of those mistakes, he still leads Oscar in the championship, which is why when there is a chance at somebody taking the drivers title, McLaren throw their support behind him like any other team would.
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Sheesh. It's lightning speed from "Max will win everything" to "Oscar is better than Lando" to "Oscar needs to be the back-up driver so Lando can be WC."
I do reckon Oscar's potential is better than Lando's but this year has the latter with the better chance at the WDC. For 2025 though, it will be equal.
The zak brown celebrating imitation was beyond perfect
If you want to back one driver, only enter one car and have more teams on the grid.... manipulation is no different to match fixing, all drivers want to win.
Gabriel Bortoleto rocks!
His Monza, Italy, F2 race is gold! Starting last and finishing first is a golden drive for those that missed it. A must watch.
When you realise these guys are all driving the same car, Bortoleto is just at another level.
Judging from the fact that Piastri has a contract for 2 years and Norris has a contract for many more years, Piastri is more likely to leave the team.
Ferrari should look at him for the post Hamilton
@@fqeagles21 For. sure!
People keep saying giving Lando priority will demoralise Piastri, but they never consider what losing a championship thanks to the team not fully backing you will do to Lando
And they also underestimate Piastri’s intelligence and confidence. McLaren would simply be setting a precedent that the driver leading in the championship will be prioritized if there’s a title fight on the line.
He has very little to lose by Norris being prioritized now, and a hell of a lot to gain by that precedent being established
I have heard Piastri's contract states that he can't touch his toes on Tuesdays. Weird I know, but it is true because the Internet is privy to all the details of driver contracts.
As someone who has watched F1 for more than 25 years, some of the comments in this video and other about this McLaren situation are frustrating, to say the least. It goes to show that some people are new to this sport. This whole situation with McLaren is easy to fix, just pick a Nº1 and a Nº2. To do that they need to be serious and currently they are anything but that. You cannot go "Lando, you are going to need Oscar" implying that Norris is the one driver in the team that will challenge for the WDC, and then turn around have a whole situation at Monza. I still believe that the swap at Hungary was stupid, Lando should've won that race. Alas, that is water under the bridge.
There are 8 races left, EIGHT, not one or two, and McLaren is acting like there is nothing to lose. Whether people (and Oscar, his management and his fans) like it or not, Max Verstappen has 303 pts, Lando has 241 pts. He is 62 pts away, if RB doesn't improve, this is it, it will be the one chance Lando has, with 8 races left it is not impossible. Meanwhile, Oscar has 197 pts, he is 106 pts away, it is not going to happen for him. If both drivers start fighting now, not only would they kiss goodbye the WDC, but Ferrari is close in the constructors championship too. McLaren could easily jeopardize the WCC as well. I have 3 words for them: 2007 F1 Championship.
As all of this is going down, I have been thinking of something that Zak Brown said on the last episode of the first season of Drive to Survive. It was 2018, and he announced that this 18 year old kid, Lando Norris, was going to be their driver for 2019. Brown described Lando as one of the best junior champions ever and that his CV suggested that "he is a future World champion". Well Mr. Brown, the future is here, what are you going to do?
Nice to see some wisdom - it's all these newbie fans to the sport with there awful comments, most definitely immature young guys, so flippant and hollow they change there allegiances after every single week.
I have been watching F1 since 1991 - historically the teams have always prioritised the more experienced team mate.
For me personally I think giving Oscar the win was the right move in Hungary and the reason I felt then it was the right decision because it implied going forward Norris is N.1 and Piastri is N.2.
Now as you can guess from my profile picture I'm a Ferrari fan but I'm of the opinion that Ferrari should not have won that race and it should have been McLaren. In my eyes McLaren could of and probably should of got a 1-2 or a 1-3 at least and with Lando leading. The whole thing in Monza just brings the whole decision in Hungary into question.
If it wasn't to appease Piastri to get him on side to support Norris what was it for then? Rhetorical question.
To me McLaren lost the race truly in their pre race meeting and Charles Leclerc Il Predestinato got half the work of winning the race done on the first lap.
Speaking of Ferrari the similarities between the clown years of 2022 and the McLaren team of 2024 are eerily similar. For me McLaren couldn't ask to be in a better position in both championships and considering the current forms of all the teams. It's like they're taking their form for granted and as though complacency had entered the team.
I have a feeling that Lando momentarily forgot about the permitted hostile racing that McLaren allowed from Oscar. If it were a different car starting P2 I would assume he'd have driven more defensively.
Absolutely. But judging from the comments afterwards, I think that Zak was as surprised as Lando at that move - it was a brilliant move, But it definitely displayed a different interpretation of papaya rules 😄
100% . I read the other delusional statements that little oscar is the better driver, pretending to forget what in a disgraceful manner he won the Hungary Grand Prix, Mclaren taking Lando's hard earned win away from him..probabably on woke criteria, thats a dangerous virus these days.
I think that Piastri will win a championship before Norris, specifically I think he will do so next year. I am glad Piastri is being treated well, as he is now just as fast as Norris and sometimes faster with many years less of experience.
If the field is as competitive next year as it is shaping up to be at the moment, he will need to have the team prioritize him the same way that they should be prioritizing Norris now
@@valerierodger Yeah. I think it does say a lot that Piastri has been in for only a year and a half and he is already as good as Norris (or almost there). On top of that, he also came into a top team environment by the second half of his first season essentially. Amazing stuff, some serious Hamilton vibes from Piastri.
You never know who has best car next year. Everyone thought that this year Max would walk into his 4th title and next year too. McLaren has to go for drivers title this year as maybe next year they cant.
I think people forget that Verstappon accepted the number two rule when he 1st joined Red Bull and had great respect to his more experienced team mate.
Lawvs, please consider making a video about the ultimate title battle that Oscar Piastri and Andrea Kimi Antonelli are going to have in the future
Piastri: F the British media, F Lando, F team orders, F1...
-ExtrovertedFullback 2024
"F your championship fight, not before I take it first lol."
Like, for real, why would any racing driver wanted their teammate to become the champion before them?
Aside from saying F team orders, I agree.
But team orders gifted Piastri a win.
@nakki123 Because Norris loyalists refuse to acknowledge how he came to lead the Hungarian GP...
McLaren interfered with Piastri's race, and pitted the P2 car first to shield Norris from P3... Norris then turned the undercut from a shield against P3 to a sword against Piastri.
He did so in the belief the team would anoint him as #1... Nope.
I’m late to this, but I feel like everybody is thinking from a team perspective when it comes to the drivers championship. Say Lando only wins the championship by 3 points, and those points were gained by Oscar giving him positions. If I were the driver, I would feel like I didn’t truly earn that championship . I would feel I was gifted it. So I get wanting to race and not be given positions.
Bortoleto could come in handy.
Especially after that monza race he had
Sainz will come extremely handy to bed in a younger talent.
@@Storm56346 Bortoleto is extremely gifted, I don't know if you watch F2 but he has pulled off some good overtakes - there's soo much talent in the lower formulas.
I wonder how much of the team’s order’s conversation is motivated by not wanting to see Max win again vs. Wanting to see Lando win the drivers championship.
As soon as max leaves redbull they’ll want piastri and piastri being a fan of rbr he’ll jump at the opportunity
Weber as his manager may not be so excited for him to jump over there though
Why would Oscar want to jump into the 💩 pool? Red Bull without Newey is no better than RB or Hass
Piastri farrŕrrrr better than Lando'tjie
@@mattt525 if Red Bull got their car back into form, he wouldn’t have a problem with it. He would just be making sure that Oscar got the same position and treatment that Max has. And he learned from multi 21 - No driver of his is going to make the mistake that he made that day, and any driver under his guidance is going to be taught to have the ruthless mentality that Seb showed that day
@@BrandoN-ie1np I think that would be for the best Oscar is not a team player and needs to be in a team where he can be exclusively number 1.
Plus I think Norris and Piastris relationship has broken down now
In every relationship, whether that's a business contract or a marriage, clear boundaries are the vital line to everyone happily working together.
Initially I was in favor of Lando giving Oscar back the position for 1st place with the understanding that Oscar would support him in his challenge for the title. After Monza, it's obvious that this isn't the case and I regret my previous criticism of Lando being selfish.
Gloves off 🥊
Lando acting like a brat for ten laps in Hungary when he was supposed to give back a place he didn’t deserve us precisely why Oscar doesn’t give a sh1t anymore. Lando did this to himself.
Realistic possibility Lando wins the driver's champion with the least amount of wins percentage
To be fair, I don't see any reason to impose team orders. The last thing they need to do is demotivate Oscar when they are in a constructors title fight. At the end of the day, there is a LOT of money from the constructors, and none for the drivers.
So demotivate Norris by letting a title chance slip away? Which is worse being told to help your teammate for 7 races or losing a championship because your team won’t even help you
@@kingduck88 In my opinion, there is no reason a team should help a driver to a driver's title until the constructors is secured. The team has to come first. If you are having to be help constantly to the drivers title by everyone moving out the way, how much worth does that title actually have?
It’s not going to demotivate Oscar when he understands for well that playing the team game at this point set a precedent for when he is the one leading in the standings.
You are not risking the constructors championship by imposing team orders.
Have you not watched F1 for long or have you just not paid attention to how things work for almost every single drivers title? How do you expect a driver to win without team orders when he is up against another driver or drivers benefiting from either team orders and/or having a teammate incapable of challenging?
Do you think Max’s title in 2021 is meaningless? Because the team, including Max, have acknowledged Max would not have won without Checo playing the team game, and there were a hell of a lot of team orders that year.
If you look back through the years, outside of a car being absolutely dominant, WDCs have been won because of drivers following explicit or covert team orders (the reason the FIA gave up on trying to band team orders is because it was blatantly obvious it was still being used, especially with completely unsubtle things like “Fernando is faster than you.”)
@@valerierodger how can type all that, reference "Fernando is faster tham you", and completely forget how it completely demotivated Massa until he went to Williams. That probably cost Ferrari the constructors in 2012. You literally proved my point in one quote.
@kingduck88 let piastri go and bring in sainz.
Mclaren are in a position of strength.
Why risk it?
Only reasons they would leave.
1. McLaren isn't fast enough for title run
2. Someone backs up a truckload of $$$$$
3. They are forced out
I think this soap opera will go until 2030.
I think if Lando loses the championship by a close enough margin that he could’ve won if the team had only prioritized him by now, he will feel betrayed enough to look elsewhere. And even if the team _is_ fast enough for a title run, they would still have to be so absolutely dominant that it wouldn’t matter if their drivers were taking points off each other. See 2007
@@valerierodger Perhaps. Championship caliber cars are few and far between. There is no guarantee there will be a seat, or that someone else will beat him out for it.
More likely piastri leaves and in 2026 sainz goes back to mclaren who will allow norris to be the clear number 1.
19:13 Law the last time Max finished outside of the points was in Spa 2016, eight years ago, not five years
I thought it was a while. Just misremembered
its funny because the way he races he either has to finish in points or do not finish the race
Quit trying to make begging for Lando get wins on a plate make sense
Norris is a mental minow.... he's fast when not under pressure but if put under pressure? Insert the Benny Hill theme song, he's useless. Piastri drives like he wants to win at "all costs" he's a racer he proved that unequivocally with
" that move" on Norris. I think they may have had to hose out Norris's cockpit after that race.
I'm tired of speaking or hearing about Lando. It's like looking into stale puddle
8:46 I think you might have the wrong text on screen there, mate.
If Redbull made any interest in Oscar and Max was still racing, Webber might have a fistfight against Jos to ensure the team won't screw over the young Aussie like they did to him.
We see I've heard rumors that if Max leaves Oscar is the number 1 choice
@@erickrasniewski567 Would be a wise choice. Future WDC.
Jos won’t let Red Bull sign Oscar while Max is still there, and Webber won’t let Oscar become a second driver.
Max is in the same position as Michael Schumacher was - any driver coming into that team while Max is there does so with the understanding that they are playing second to Max.
@valerierodger Max is likely to leave soon as it stands RB is uncompetive unless they start choosing someone else over Oscar he would be a ideal choice to replace Max he's also less likely to have all the drama involved
Oscar is not out of this years title, so he should continue to try go for it. More than enough points on the table and never know what is going to happen with Max and Lando. Or it could end up with Charles, all to play for. Personally I feel everyone just race your race and see what happens.
Oscar telegraphed his future intentions at Monza, lap 1, turn 4, reinforcing the Oscar first attitude seen when Alpine apparently confirmed him...
Since 2019 McLaren have won 4 races and a sprint. Oscar won 3 championships, had a year off, then won one of those races and the sprint. And it is harder to win a spec series because there's no car advantage.
In the future Oscar will go to the best team that gives him the best chance. Loyalty? Nope
It's really funny to me how the narrative changed from "lmao, Norris actually thinks he's in contention for WDC" to "oh he'll lose by just a few points, why aren't McLaren doing more?!"
Sure, he wants to go for it, but even Lando will know it's a long shot this year.
Last year he said he's expecting to fight for wins this year (2024) and the championship next year (2025)
After that, it's all new regulations anyway. Unless he gets an insanely good offer somewhere else, I think he's giving McLaren time until the end of 2027.
Everyone is talking about Norris' title ambitions, but it could ultimately also be Piastri walking away with that trophy by the end of the season. He shows that hunger every single race and I don't think Norris really deserved the title this year with all the mistakes and blunders he does.
If McLaren don't prioritize Norris, Verstappen and Red Bull will be very grateful.
Not watched yet but it's the mclaren way... senna prost came down to the drivers. Alonso Hamilton came down to alonso blackmail. I have to repect them for standing to it.... it will screw them but you have to respect their dedication to not picking title favourite over the rookie whos on par. The only problem being "you will need oscar" if that doesnt come around it's poor.
I don't think nine races out is the time to be calling team orders when the two drivers are only 43 points apart.
Toto impression wasn't bad but could use some work. No mention of Pumpernickel nor it's prime condition of being "hard like a cookie" left something to be desired. 18 points out of 26.
You can get paid at parties with your Zak impression. Think of the free cupcakes!
Hey LewVs. I have a question or 3 for you. How do you feel about current/retired drivers taking on and managing next generation into their wings (like Fernando and Mark Webber)? Also which retired/current driver do you want/wish to get involved with young drivers and manage them? and how does it effect young drivers program by the teams?
Law embraced the full American spirit with that Zack Brown impression and I personally loved it
Honestly, I think the issue with "Papaya Rules" isn't that the team needs team orders but simply that they don't always adhere to it. They had orders in Hungary, they had orders in (iirc) Japan last year, and in Qatar as well. I think Penske does it best, never implementing orders to benefit any one of their drivers, ever. They send their pilots out knowing they'll have to race, and because of that there's never any drama unless they muck it up on track themselves. I'm against team orders personally, but I do think McLaren would be better off just committing to them instead of trying to sit the fence, giving orders sometimes but not others; it's the inconsistency that's causing the drama, and Stella needs to draw a line in the sand, one way or the other, if he has any hope of quelling that drama
I’m just waiting for Norris to shout into the radio: “Dr. Marko, I expect to find the dotted line in the cooldown room” 👌🏾
He will not go to red bull.
Piastri is more likely.
Norris bubbly character will be stifled at red bull.
@@Micfri300 Yea, you might have a point in that. Piastri is more cutthroat, it seems
@@Micfri300 Max would not want Oscar as a team mate. He'd much prefer Norris.
If Mclaren has a competetive car there's no way both leave, I could see Lando leaving if Oscar keeps improving by leaps and bounds like he has this year. It's obvious that Oscar is the driver with the higher ceiling, whereas I think Lando pretty much peaked.
It will be interesting to see how things are at the end of this year.
If I were Lando and I lost the WDC by less than consistent team orders would have provided I would be properly pissed - no matter how slight if a shot at the WDC comes along you absolutely have to take it as it may never happen again no matter how good you are.
Yep, in such a circumstance I'd be out the door the moment a suitable alternate turned up.
I'm afraid he'll think about this even now no matter the outcome.
He's been screwed by the team multiple times,once with Daniel when they weren't around to race so they could get the 1-2 (the irony), in Hungary when he had to give the victory away because the team made a mistake , he did nothing wrong,and now he's being attacked by his teammate in lap one that almost resulted in a crash,same teammate that drove like a maniac when Lando got his first win that the race engineer had to tell him to chill out not to cause a safety car.
I'm sorry but Lando stood by this team when they were the bottom of the barrel and put that car multiple time in places it had no reason to be. And now that he has a shot at the WDC how minor it might be ,the team is like "Nothing to see here folks,move along".
Why is every F1 RUclips channel posting about Lando and Oscar at the same time, is this a scheduled event
Milking any friction they can.
It is in Oscar's best interest to fight to beat Lando this season rather than trying to help the floundering Lando to beat Max.
I think the relationship on track and possibly Off track between Oscar and Lando has already soured thanks to Lando’s antics in Hungary when he was asked to give the position back. It seems to me that Oscar has switched into his terminator mode and he is just driving to look out for himself now because he’s seen what his teammate can do. I think Lando petulant behaviour will come back to bite him in the arse.
All this Oscar preaching doesn't change the fact that he is not going to catch Max this year. And as for Lando he has held his Papaya bargain both in Hungary and Monza which could have easily gone other way if anyone else was in his place.
If Lando enters in his villain arc and ditch Papaya handbook couple of incidents here & there and for once Ferrari don't drop the ball, Constructors championship will be up in the smoke as well.
Ferrari winning the WCC would be glorious!!! RB would lose it because of Perez whose contract they extended and McLaren would lose it to their ridiculous midfield mentality…a huge lesson for both teams, plus I will never be unhappy with a Ferrari win
@@pots_83 RBR and Max losing both championship in the span of 8 months would put rocket 🚀 up their behind & will be absolute Box Office for F1 in 2025.
As for McLaren you rightly said mediocre midfield mentality, Lando-Oscar can race as hard as they want in 25 but right here right now it's Lando's time and he deserves it. If Lando starts behaving like Oscar I am pretty sure there will be few incidents before the close of the season.
I am perennial Ferrari fan would welcome any WCC but that Monza win was gifted them by McLaren & it was still ludicrous pitting just after undercut they just got racing gods on their side in Monza.
Lando did not do the right thing in Hungary. He acted like a spoilt brat for ten laps, completely ruining Oscar’s first win after Lando was gifted the double undercut which is the only reason he was in front in the first place. Oscar saw that and has decided the gloves are off.
If Norris is going to get on team radio and say "I'm faster," he had better actually be faster..
You mean like when he was pulling away from Piastri and was told to slow down and let Piastri past?
@@valerierodgeryou mean after Oscar was told not to rush and take his time to warm up his tyres? You mean after Norris was gifted first place by getting a double undercut, because Oscar was driving away from Lando in the first two stints?
I agree with your opinion that the friction between Oscar and Lando stems from the direction and goals of the management (or the lack of), not their personal differences. They are both aware of their talents, strengths and weaknesses, and are currently probably the best lineup on the grid.
What makes them frustrated is that the direction and orders from the team is basically: do whatever you can/want, just leave space and don't crash.
Which they are both doing perfectly (no crashes, and racing fairly), and they are not at fault for the results of the races. Oscar is maybe a bit more calculated and hungry (at least it seems so, going for the gap at the first opportunity).
Maybe the long game for the Mclaren is to let them duke it out, grow, be out of their comfort zone and for one of them to come dominantly on top and become the no1 driver.
Which is fine in on itself, but my question would be. Do you think the driver will forget that a year or so ago. he could've went for the WDC, yet the team wanted to let them fight just to see who comes out on top. And that he needs to rely only on himself.
Maybe you will have a top driver that went all in and is now considered top tier, but you will also have a driver that does not believe in the team, the strategy, and is an overly aggressive and toxic teammate which is hard to work with.
I am oh so frustrated at our team -.-
What are they thinking and doing? -.-
Bad strategy calls aside... They are doing their utmost best at throwing away the already slim (and decreasing) chance at the WDC.
Are they afraid of Max and RB? Kinda looks like it tbh :/
Oscar's move was completely uncalled for. Yes it was a great move, but not one you make on your teammate fighting for the WDC. And the fact that that move took place, for me it reads as the team is not backing Lando for it.
And no, I am not dumping on Oscar, if the roles were reversed I would be saying the same thing.
Our papaya lads need to get it together and really and actually start being a team ffs -.-
sry for the rant
I do think that Zak and Andrea want the WCC more as they would be the ones to get that trophy back to Woking for the first time in the 21st century.
Why would the move be uncalled for if he was told he was allowed to race?
Oscar was hired as a racing driver, not reargunner like Bottas at Mercedes. The whole reason Oscar took Daniel's place was because McLaren wanted someone who, hopefully, could perform a bit closer to Lando's level. They specifically chose two drivers with World Championship potential.
If Oscar isn't told to care about Lando's chances, why on earth would he? That's not what he was hired for, that's not his problem. (Obviously, that should go both ways: Lando also shouldn't care about Oscar's chances if he's not told to)
If McLaren doesn't give instructions, Oscar would and should race for himself.
Even Bottas, the one driver who immediately comes to mind when we think about reargunner drivers or drivers who were there to mostly help their teammate, had to be told to let Lewis through, or help Lewis, or abandon fastest lap attempts to secure Lewis' attempts at it. So why would Oscar have to act as a reargunner without even being told to do so?
@@AdavidPT well Said - finally some logic in here.
@@robbetorfs4093 that is exactly the problem as I see it. McL are not caring about Lando chances at the WDC.
And if the WDC positions were swapped, I would be saying the same thing about Oscar.
For me the issue is that McL is not caring about the WDC, and that must be soul crushing to Lando rn tbh :/
There is a chance, small or slim, as it may be, and it oh so buggers me that the team is not taking it.
That right there, not taking the chance at the WDC, is exactly what is buggering me -.-
@@LawVS that is what I see.
but it buggers me oh so much, that there is a chance at the WDC, small or slim, and the team is not taking it. That right there is the thing that is rly buggering me tbh :/
Yes for the team the WCC is more important, but it must be so soul crushing to be a driver with a chance at the WDC and not having your team backing you :/
And that, not going for the chance of it, is the exact thing that is not only buggering me, but frustrating me Law :/
I really hope if there will be team orders, Oscar wont listen to it and be aggresive, he shud take points from lando only 1 person can be the best, sometimes it isnt about stepping back, sometimes stuff is for the taking.
He’d be an idiot to do that, because if he’s in a title fight next year, he doesn’t want to have Lando doing that to him.
It's a nice thought, but a team can not sustain 2 number one drivers. Some either bends the knee or moves on.
That Brown impression is hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
9:05, you need to change the text
Yeah I know, Premiere rendered out the wrong quote and didn't spot it.
Hot take: if Piastri and or Norris leave, Max will try to take that McLaren seat if RB can’t get their act together
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things also if Ferrari guys for example had McLaren car how close do you think they could be of Max in your opinion?
Leclerc would be closer than Norris for sure imo
I think the main issue is Norris has had better one lap pace but Piastri is emerging out to be a far better and faster race driver with the current car. The only way to resolve this is either team orders or make the car development focus around Norris so as to help his race pace.
Hi mate, just letting you know that the quote at 8:53 isn’t the one you read out :) ( I think it was from your max video ). Thanks, loved this video!
Yep. Adobe betrayed me.
Norris has shown incredible loyalty to McLaren, signing long-term deal when they were absolutely nowhere. if he ends up leaving, it will be because he feels betrayed - and no better way to do that than to see him lose a championship because they didn’t throw their support behind him when he was the one that had the opportunity to do so, especially if he doesn’t have another opportunity in the next year or two.
And they should be throwing their support behind him not because he deserves something from the team because of his loyalty, or that they owe it to him, it’s because at this point he has earned it - at the point at which Red Bull stumbled, and Max losing the title became a possibility, however slim, he was their lead driver by a significant enough margin that it was logical for them to do so.
Oscar is ruthless, and Webber imparted the lessons that he learned the hard way, but Oscar is also intelligent and calculating. The chance of a drivers title for either of them this year is slim. The team prioritizing Lando at this point sets a powerful precedent for the next time title shot is possible and _he_ is the driver in the lead
(And on a brief note, as on something else that was mentioned: ppl who use the quote about going for the gap really need to understand that he later admitted that was an excuse and that he was in the wrong pulling that move)
Simple solution would be whoever is higher in the standings in the summer break is the number 1 driver but before then it’s gloves off all out racing that way its a earned position each year not handed to one specific driver.
I don't think they would need to ask Sauber for a clause to get Bortoletto later, we know they are more than ok breaking contracts to get drivers, like what happened with Piastri/Daniel
When has McLaren ever had team orders? Alonso and Hamilton fought until the finish line. And Senna and Prost would crash often.
Pato O'Ward is also an important contender for the McLaren seat. He's very successful in Indycar and was in the fight for the championship this year: he's seriously skilled. While I think he still has unfinished business in Indycar (winning the 500 is probably the biggest item on his checklist), I think he'd be more than happy to make the jump to F1, it's been his goal for a while.
That was a very good Zak imitation.
Ok, it was kinda half Zak, and half Mr. T 😂.
And maybe some Hulk Hogan, too.
Let's face it McLaren, Piastri and Norris have a few problems.
1/ McLaren is not good at strategy calls and need to sort this out. Calling Piastri in and leaving Le Clerc out was a mistake. Telling the boys they could go hard and race each other watchin each wear tyres while Charles sat and smiled watching McLaren play a mugs game was not wise.
2/ Norris is a slow starter and does not think well.
Last race he jumped across to block his team mate and opened the door for his competitor to take him. Had Piastri not forced his way into the gap Norris would have been passed by Russell. Norris didn't play the team game from the start. Had he taken off and Piastri got the march on him, all he had to do was keep behind and conserve tyres and take Piastri later.
Norris also lost his cool again when Piastri passed him and opened the door for another pass.
3/ Piastri needs to realise the team need to bring home 1-2 finishes. If he gets in front of Norris, they need to cruise and play the team game. Racing each other and letting Charles conserve tyres proved to be not the good idea.
These 3 need to sit down and figure how to play smarter. And Piastri may own Norris in every race going forward. If that's the case, Norris may still take the drivers championship.
Fun times.
My question is, when Oscar is ahead on points, fighting for the WDC, will Zac, impose team orders, and will Lando finally show some team spirit? My guess is no!
Piastri has done better in less time than Norris has. I think if you want to get a driver who will be epic in another year, (2026 new cars,) I would bet on Piastri first. This is why either Mclaren or AUDI needs to choose him as number 1 asap. Everyone talked about Sauber and thinks AUDI will be the same as Sauber, but the history of AUDI is that they come into a sport and dominate rather quickly. Piastri could be a number one with them, if he chooses to leave Mclaren after 25. Mclaren can't keep what are two number 1 drivers on their team at the same time.
Your impressions are funny i laughing so hard at the zack brown ones 😂
Ultimate team: McLaren car, Red Bull strategists, Williams leadership, and Ferrari fans. Oh but drivers have to be Stroll and Zhou 😆
As an Australian I want our drivers to win. I want both Oscar and Daniel to win every race. I want Daniel and Oscar to be the only 2 fighting for the Drivers World Championship... HOWEVER....
What McLaren is doing is self sabotage. After the Hungary debacle in which Oscar won, they should have imposed "Team Orders". If McLaren are gonna fight for the Drivers Championship, then they really need to focus and protect Lando..... and when I mean protect, I mean Oscar playing the No2 role..... just like Ronnie Pettersson did with Mario Andretti. I really thought that was the scenario for Monza. I was really surprised by Oscars pass on Lando. I "thought" that it was pre determined that Oscar was gonna play the No2 role for the remainder of the season.... it's logical.
McLaren have an opportunity to take BOTH championships here, but they're not being pragmatic about it. The thought in my mind at the moment is "don't give Zak a gun at the moment because he may shoot both of his own feet." McLaren not only owe it to themselves to focus on Lando, but they also owe it to Lando. Next year is a different story.
Or how about mclaren have always wanted norris to stay and piastri being better than expected is a cherry on the cake to get more money?
No way. Why handicap Oscar after the bullsh1t Lando pulled in Hungary? Oscar has decided he can’t trust his teammate and is driving accordingly.
Fellow Aussie here. The Constructors Championship is where the money is at. WDC is a nice driver bonus for racking up points. On Second thoughts if McLaren win the constructors but not the WDC they probably save $5m (my guesstimate) payout to Lando.
The big turning point will be at the end of the season. If Lando is less that 12 points from winning the drivers championship, it will be McLaren that cost him the title and he will blame McLaren and potentially trigger him to want to leave
McLaren have never used team orders between their drivers, you as a McLaren fan should know that. As for McLaren costing Norris points, he does that on his own too.
Umm...what do you think they did with Mika and DC? Ron Dennis specifically preferred Hakkinen.
@LawVS okay yeah they used them in that driver pairing when there was a bit more of a gulf between teammates, but what about Senna vs Prost and more recently, Alonso vs Hamilton? When there is no clear advantage.
Im not agree with that McLaren never used any team orders, but that is true, Norris only can blame for this himself. Piastri only returning the favor when his dream was ruined halfway on Hungaroring, all his hard work was forgotten, and he is only a winner who got it by a gift.. if Norris give back the position immedietly, this all later things never happend.. Piastri worked hard for his dream, for his 1st race victory, and that was ruined by Norris. Norris dream is the championships, and it's also about halfway.. so Piastri only will say that, he will let him pass, if he can catch him.. he learned that from Norris..
@@TamasKiss-yk4stNot to mention this whole debate about Hungary wouldn't take place if Norris (once again) was able to keep lead after turn one
@@elianioriofarrell and McLaren should have learned a lesson from Alonso vs Hamilton. in a season where they got themselves excluded from the constructors, they threw away the drivers title and watched as both their drivers lost the WDC by a single point
Why would either or both drivers leave the best team? They both feel they can beat the other. They are clearly free to race for now. Great to see by the way
I would love this just because its pato's only chance at an F1 drive and i would love to see my boy in F1
Eyyy Andromeda!! 👊
@@yt_Ajay_ sittl prefer the OT but andromeda was way better than people gave it credit for
I wonder if Laurence Stroll is talking quietly to Mark Webber about Oscar’s future if McLaren make a wrong move and sacrifice him for Lando’s ambition.
Okay, Foam time: I take a similar stance to Mr V from the Channel Mr V's Garage.
Mark Webber negotiated Oscars Contract. Maybe, just maybe there is a "we don't do team orders" clause. Multi 21 Seb, multi 21!
No team orders is not sustainable - and there have already been team orders on both sides and both drivers have obeyed them.
Webber has said that what he regrets is not turning his engine back up when he saw that Seb was coming from him, and that what Seb did was just the reflection of his champions mentality.
Webber will guarantee that Oscar not be relegated to number two status, but he understands F1 enough to understand that team orders are necessary from time to time, and he understands that you can’t expect a team not to prioritize one driver over the other under certain circumstances - such as when only one of them has a shot at the title.
@@valerierodger Yeah true, but define "frome time to time"... but as said, Foam time.
McLaren should stick to getting the race strategy straighten out. Let the drivers drive and sort out their position on the track. Wasn't their driving that lost Monza it was their racing strategies. And let me remind you this aint the first time this season it happened. Lando and Oscar are reacting as drivers should "we compete on the track" i want to see the race and not listen to the race. If i was here to look at politics maybe this would suit me . I am a race fan, fight and compete on the track, put out the best car, the best driver and stick it up the fannys of those who want to destroy the sport by trying to fudge the numbers buy strategic accounting maneuvers. First tire change after 14 laps What the fart is this? And i should trust them to choose who should be on top? Sorry no go! let them race it out and be who they really are and if any one else wins the championship so be it, just be fair and square. we should kick out this practice of team choosing and let the dice fall where they should.
The only thing that the team should worry about is getting better performance from Oscar at qualifying he must be P1 all the time. After which they should not have any more management issues. This is his only chalenge Oscar must get P1.
Glad you made this.
Even if the drivers change,the McLaren is slowly but surely becoming a beast,so even if i am not a McLaren fan ,i think they have the best Future ahead of the team,they are already entering the beast mode...