Baldur's Gate 3 Proves Modern Gaming is Getting Worse + Western Devs Attack Larian Studios Success
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- Опубликовано: 8 авг 2023
- Western game developers are angry that this game exists, but why?
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Thank you for watching, Baldur’s Gate 3 is definitely a rare game, but for all the wrong reasons. It should be the standard, but instead it’s the exception in a sea of monetized bloated season pass nonsense.
And that’s why these devs want to tear it down.
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I'm ready for Armored Core 6
how petty do you have to be to tell they cant match baldurs gate with more budget and staff
are you excited for armored core 6 made by Fromsoftware?
I know that I’m getting old when I remember the hype around The Witcher 3 and think “Ah, those were the days”.
I miss my youth. 😢
@@anukthotawatta982 yes. The quality should be there. And robits make me feel good.
"Making BG3 the new baseline for RPGs could kill a whole string of studios"
Your terms are more than acceptable.
Yep.
Plus...baseline in terms of development quality and polish on release...which shouldn't kill a studio.
Not every game has to be a large as BG3 - but they don't need to be, nor is that what most gamers are saying either...
Smaller studios know what they can handle and can craft whatever is in their scope to make with the goal of a similar level of polish and completeness.
Yup
Bioware: *chuckles* I'm in danger
@@blacksheepshepherd😊
@@VRNocturneno they don't just look at daedalic.
They shut themself down with gollum
This isn’t a new baseline. It isn’t a new standard. It’s a return to the old gold standard where devs actually made a game with love. A full and complete game made with the fans and not trying to bleed the pockets of their consumers
100% this. I literally got d4 to socialise with mates i dont get to see much due to adulting but the game is average at best. Instead of putting most of their time in bug fixes, class diversity and enjoyable combat, they clearly went hard on battlepass, cosmetics and advertising. Just another example of profit over consumers.
What a great point. Not a new standard, just an old one.
you are damn right
That's how Fallout was a success. I'm one of the original devs. I think from time to time what made it work. Certainly wasn't Feargus (whom exaggerated his participation after it was a success), it was the designers, artists, scripters, programmers, etc., plus some push to use some better technology (like sculpting the character's heads in clay, etc).
I came on late on the project after it had been going at least two years already, but it was really remarkable how much passion people had. The extent the artists in particular took just to make things cool. I put a lot into it too.
It's literally a porn game with animal bestiality hidden behind "normally-developed game", in terms of classic game standards. It's disgusting. Nobody will question it because the devs act as if their game is on a moral high ground when it comes to monetization, just so that they can shovel bestiality and degeneracy in players mouths, normalizing hedonism.
BG3 is the definition of "Suffering from success."
Larian Studios did such an incredible job that they are now universally hated by other AAA developers.
dumb as vid
I fail to see how that’s our problem
@dchiznit209 I never said it was our problem.
Just stating a fact. I agree with everything this video says, and the other AAA companies should be held accountable for that.
I don't think any developers hate bg3
More like the AAA companies are suffering from larion’s success
I didn't even know Larian existed until I saw Bg3. But I will definitely be a returning customer to them the next time they release a game. This is how big game companies should make their customers feel
You should play divinity original sin 2 then. It's another amazing game made by Larian (it was released in 2017)
this is a dumbass vid tho
I haven't played BG3 yet but D:OS2 is one of my favorite games of all time. You can tell the game was made with love and care.
It's rare to find a company who makes a quality product in the gaming industry. The last one that I found was in the 1990's. Everything since then has been largely one-offs or junk.
🤷♂️
Playing bg3 gives me the motivation to play divinity again
I don't expect this level of quality from indie devs, but AAA studios have no excuse. Hold their feet to the fire.
Well just try Disco Elysium and you'll see that even some indie games can come close to this level of quality, or even outdo it in terms of writing.
@@dorianrawls1927that game ain’t that good lmao
or hands to the liquid nitrogen.
When games like call of duty have 3000 developers we have to ask what the fuck they're all doing
@@austinsmith1393 to each his own. It targets true RPG lovers, not gamers.
the fact that it WON the GOTY is just another wake up call to other studios. Great Job Larion!
In several categories no less.
Rigged imo tho more pc gamers than anything an on top of that it was out for 4 months it won goty bec simps who played bg3 wake up just pc gamers who got nun going for them
@@airyshark324or it’s just a really good game?
I sank over 200 hours into beating it on honored mode over the past month. I haven't been so immersed in a game since I was a kid playing little big planet for the first time. It's a REALLY GOOD game.@@jackdixon1892
@@airyshark324 just accept the fact that it’s a great game and move on
Ive never been a studio fan, but Larian's response and values really made me proud of playing their game. Theyre not milking me for my money, no subscriptions or paywalls, they litterally just sold me a good game and somehow im really surprised.
I wish elden ring could respond the same way but due to the language/cultural barrier i assume it wouldnt happen anytime soon
The "overdelivering" mentality is one of the most pathetic and weak minded things I've ever seen. The fact that some companies have the audacity to even say things like that publicly is absurd. I'm glad we have devs like FromSoftware and Larian that actually care and respect their creations as pieces of art instead of just one more product to sell.
They under deliver for short term gain, and it’s making them lose fans, and I bet when their games starts dying and underselling they’ll blame baldurs gate for that too
Sounds like laziness to me.
@@Leed9 Worse: They will blame their own employees and say that the company is trash because they didnt do a good job...
I used to think so, but then I realized that the truth is much more silly. FromSoftware underpays and treats his employees miserably. And I'm not happy at all with BG3 because the gameplay is boring (dice roll simulator), broken (any other game with the same bugs would be criticized but not this, maybe because the woke mob) and they had 400M investment which is as much and more then most AAA studios, and still the game is nothing more than woke propaganda.
Yeah, I got confused for a moment thinking the RUclipsr said it with no sarcasm. it's really bullcrap terminology
Also have to add, Baldur's Gate 3 is an example of when passionate, hard-working video game developers are in charge of their projects instead of less passionate but money-hungry businessmen.
Not necessarily. They’re often one in the same.
@@teddyjackson1902 Wanna give some examples to back that up?
@@bigollameo the source is trust me bro 😅
@@teddyjackson1902 the managerial class specialise in extracting maximum productivity and output from their human micromanaged resources. They tend to buff social manipulation skills rather than crafting or community ideals.
Multiclasses don't advance as quickly as the OP exploits of fanatics of mammon
I don't feel threatened by BG3, myself, but I can understand why some devs would.
We already work insane hours, and in QA, at least, we're also perpetually understaffed.
Now imagine you work at a studio, that won't give you enough people to do all the work that's expected- and the studio suddenly decides this is the new benchmark for success.
You can kiss your personal life and free time, goodbye- unless you miraculously manage to hire a full team of total rockstars who are super-fast workers.
We're human beings. We want reasonable work hours and things like sleep, and vacations.
And the expectation on us is already so high- the idea of being expected to push ourselves even more is just insane.
So, that's why I think some folks would feel threatened by it. It honestly says more to me about those people's workplaces, and what they anticipate as far as support from them.
I've been so tired of games not being completed on release. Baldurs gate 3 is the biggest breath of fresh air in a very long time
Don’t think I’ll be playing anything else for a while with BG3. I will happily pay any DLC that is to come. Larian deserves all the flowers. Thank you for making a true work of ART.
They're just admitting that we shouldn't expect this level of quality from any of them
Yuuuuup
Why I won't support em, I'm only getting the best。
Yarrrrr
Na they are saying that we are not worth games of this quality
And they shouldn't expect any support.
I find it hilarious how some of these studios are saying, “I AM excited to play this, but real quick, just don’t ask us to put in hard work and effort for our releases, cool?”😂
Devs don’t choose how hard they will work on something, they’re paid by the hours and if they don’t work hard they will be fired.
The average western devs likely work more than you.
They also don’t decide what type of games they make, they don’t decide when their games release…
Not so funny when you realise these you're paying 60usd for what these shit stains who only work 5 hours a day are scraping out
I don't think it's about hard work. Alot of game development work extremely hard and under horrible conditions but the worse there work quality and there not given enough time by executives sadly.
I find it very interessting, that crunch has not come up yet.
Larian is as far as I know a smaller studio. To achieve this quality and this huge amount of content there must have been a considerable amount of overtime and pressure
@@withak3194 That isn't their fault though, so it's weird for them to be asking players to not expect quality games from them. If anything Baldur's Gate 3 should be a shining example they can point out on why publishers and execs need to give devs enough time and budget to make a finished, polished product.
If these developers think that a complete game from release is over-delivering then they're in the wrong industry.
So, the last 15 years of games then.
This game was in pre-release for years. I'm still playing it in the areas that were available before covid :D They were just honest about release date and gaining useful feedback instead of lying that they got a complete release 3 years ago then scrambling to patch the holes. I was a bit bored to replay the same areas every new milestone, but still it was good to see the development.
it's the only industry that gets away with doing it tbh...
i mostly play indie games. I find the most games boring and uncreative. deadelic unfortanately faild with gollum. They should have sticked with game types like deponia.
The fact rhat the term over delivering is somehow considered bad is already saying a lot
What I hear is a bunch of lazy millionaire studios don’t want to have to improve the quality of their games, and are thus harassing other companies who do.
Billionaire. These companies pay 0 taxes on American soil. Looking at you, Blizzard EA Activision Microsoft Clippy
@@coopercross6123 I mean what I was making was more of a guesstimate, but you’re probably right.
I feel like quality and consistency of story are the most important things for me in a game, that feeling of being immersed in a world that I can actually enjoy and feeling like I’m a part of a bigger story mean more to me than any kind of drip fed half assed content we’ve gotten in modern western media. Eastern game devs seem to really seem to know that their job isnt to make money for the company but in all seriousness is to serve us and make us the players happy
Just to let everyone know, Destiny 2 is doing so bad right now the CEO had to call in a team to make new shit happen - aka actually making old things happen that were expected with previous expansions, etc., that were left out of previous releases. The community is absolutely not satisfied and their player count is dropping hard.
First time in years a game has been fully developed and doesn't have a battle pass or millions of microtransactions this gives the feeling of the golden age of gaming
Golden age of gaming for me was nes and snes era. Western games were shit back then like now.
@@azagrialgta wipes
Elden ring and fromsoft have been doing it for years
DoS2 was better
Bro doesn’t play games
Imagine a world where the better product made the better profit
Oh...wait
They cant, cus they only want profits
unfortunately it'll always get beat by a worse product cus it was cheaper to make, same profit margin even with less revenue.
but then both get killed by a cheap product with more revenue because of microtransactions
@@daslynnter9841 eventhough, their game isnt cheap, they still put microtransactions when their game is unfinished
@@mimerfbbg3 could possibly have flopped and the millions upon millions of dollars would be for nothing. Larian proved that good games dont need microtransactions and dlcs to be successfull
I do feel for devs, I think a big part of it is that the companies need to be willing to accommodate the devs, given the working conditions a lot of devs have to deal with I don’t blame a lot of people phoning it in, if you want good quality in your game the company itself needs to be willing to take a hand off the wheel and actually let devs cook without crunching
that impossible simple as that there are deadlines they need to reach so crunching is a thing like it or not the problem is how often you have to crunch
its not impossible. Just stop bending to the whims of bureaucrat brokers who only want to make money.@@dr.vegapunk5853
Hollow knight and team cherry just as a whole are another wonderful example. Team cherry puts so much effort into their games, and it really shows with silksong. They have said to have most of it done, yet still delayed the games release in order to make it complete and the best it can be. And they are a studio of 3 people! I trust them as a studio to produce quality games because they have shown that they value that. I just really respect Team Cherry’s work and I hope they continue to have amazing success.
I agree hollow knight was amazing
Supergiant games is another good example of a studio that consistently delivers on what they promise with polished games and by respecting their community of fans!
HK has also been criticized for having too much content for a low price tag and hurting other indie devs, which has the same vibe as the topic of the video
Imagine being the one student in the class that's getting an A and everyone is mad at you for making them look bad.
That's about what it amounts to.
And then telling all teachers that it is an anomaly and they should not expect the same results from all other students.
I usually try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but this is exactly right. And you know what, its indicative of not just the games industry but our current culture whether people want to admit it or not. Workers, companies, and schools everywhere right now are trying to lower the bar so that mediocrity is the new standard. Luckily, there are still exceptional people/companies out there that refuse to phone it in. I hope we see more of this very soon.
Welcome to the modern school system. Gotta push that equity rating because we don’t want the slow kids in the back to feel bad.
Except the students who get bad grades on purpose only scam themselves. Devs scam the players by making their games 50% money milking machines.
Imagine telling your customers, "Well, don't expect me to be as good as my competition."
"We, in fact, openly admit to not making the best games around. Our competitors do a much better job and frankly I don't understand why you're buying our products. I work here and I certainly wouldn't."
Time to Bud Light these guys.
"Then expect me to spend money on your competition, and not on you."
- The Players
@@akajesusxexactly 💯
Ya as if I needed more reasons not to support those asshats.
This!
Honestly, Larian studios made us remember what a finished game is supposed to be like.
They could have made all the characters DLC but they didn't!
They wanted us, the players, to enjoy their game, enjoy their labour of love, and I think other companies are definitely afraid that their half-ass games are now needing to step up. BG3 is emotionally and mentally just amazing, everything was thought of and you can see the amount of effort they put into everything! Other companies really need to relearn who they're making their games for and for what purpose, because if they keep bullshitting to us that their game is going to be 'amazing' and the next big thing...no, it probably isn't. Show don't tell. We're not stupid.
Thanks for coming to the TED talk xD
ubisoft: why aren't you sucks like us
larian studio: because we are not greedy like you
The joy this game has brought is literally what was felt in the early 2000's when games were still scratching the surface of 'whats possible' not 'whats profitable'
Payday 3 feels like it's gonna give the exact same vibe. Like, as a programmer, when i saw it's new features i was like "They took everything from the too difficult to implement but cool bucket and then made it into a reality"
True , I used to think I was just getting old up until elden ring. Made me realize we’ve just gotten to used to mediocrity the bar has been in hell for far too long. As a kid you always imagined what games would be like in the future, sadly they’ve just been devolving due to greed.
Honestly though and with the whole “it’s an anomaly not the new standard, it could kill entire game studios” shit. Yeah good point game devs, why do you think people want it as the standard, almost like we want all shity micro transaction games to die and all companies who make them to die out with them as well! Thank you for being so scum ridden and profit hungry that you ignored quite literally the words coming from your own mouth, good job for being stuck in your own ass I guess.
“We’re game devs, we don’t have effort, we have budgets and cry when it won’t make a game for us QQ, please just consume product and get excited for next product, we won’t use this money for making a new game, hate you all bye!” Tell me that’s not the rough synapsis of this whole situation.
This game is woke, how can you like a woke game ?
It’s crazy how instead of listening to the people who give them money, they blame and punish them. AAA game companies don’t act like businesses, they act like abusive parents.
Star Citizen is really bad at this.
Boohoo troll
The problem with AAA games is theyre ran by people who just want money and dont care about gaming. The investors just want to see a return even if it means shipping out an unpolished game. They also know that this will kill the company but by the times that happens they will have made a fortune and have sold their stocks after bleeding the company dry. I personally dont know if well ever get good quality games from AAA titles ever again.
Businesses as a whole are like abusive parents. Game developers used to see their craft as an art form, now it’s an exploitable market. They don’t set trends they hop on them. It’s why every game wants to copy Zelda, Souls, etc.
@@mech0p#absolutetruth
I really quit playing video games for awhile because of how low the quality had gotten. When I heard about BG3, I was really hesitant about the price tag, but now I regret not buying it sooner. It’s amazing. It’s everything I wanted and more with tons of different things and everyone’s play through is different. I love that.
doesnt matter if you buy it sooner or later the important part is that you have it and enjoying it
Even with the hefty price tag, it still has a better "in-game content":"price" ratio than many AAA games
Most of what I play these days is just a bunch of old ports on my Switch. I checked out of newer games for the most part. My exact reasoning was, "I'm not going to continue paying full price for mediocre games that are unplayable when I get home with them." So I have a bunch of old games on the go now. Baldur's Gate 1-2, Bioshock, Skyrim, Dark Souls, various turn based RPG'S, etc. I've been way more satisfied since then.
@@michealbates6369as an enjoyer of the souls series is the combat in baldurs gate actually fun? Since discovering the souls games, and admittedly taking an 8 year break from games between 1 and 2 and playing 3 and Elden ring, I haven’t had much desire to pick up anything else. The hand eye coordination they take just grabs me. Watching videos of baldurs gate it looks pretty boring to me.
@@swamp-yankee I do enjoy it, but in a completely different way than Soulsborne. (Personal favorites are DS3 and Bloodborne. Peak 👌) It gets better as you level up and acquire more abilities, but it's certainly not fast paced either. It's more of a thinking kind of combat than anything else. Something akin to war chess. Definitely not for everybody admittedly. Would suggest trying it elsewhere if you had the option before you spent money. Idk if you've ever played Monsyer Hunter, but I feel like anyone that likes the Souls series can at least appreciate it's gameplay. Not as fluid as Souls, but still pretty fast paced and punishing if you get too sloppy or greedy.
You can definitely tell when the creators love their creation. Thanks Larian and ConcernedApe ❤
They call it "over delivering", but, in my eyes, most dev studious today are UNDER delivering. They got greedy, they want to deliver minimal amount of content and want us to pay Delux prices.
It's especially hilarious seeing an xbox senior manager calling it "rockstar level garbage". They seriously want to act like xbox is some small indie company who can't compete? No wonder xbox hasn't produced good games in over a decade and has to buy up studios to make their exclusives for them.
@@CosmicAeonI like how Xbox bought out a few dozen game companies and they still haven't made any thing to compete for Game of the Year.
They under deliver on the games so they can over deliver to the shareholders
They basically want to adapt the mobile freemium gaming model, but at least those games are free to install. Game companies are charging 60-70+ dollars for freemium games. Corporate greed has spiralled out of control, and has become even worse post COVID
The people who are buying their sh... are to blame
Imagine nowadays putting a game in a shop, instead of putting a shop in a game. THE AUDACITY
-mind blowing facts- *exploding brain cells commence*
You need more likes.
Hahahahahha!! nice one!
Baldur's Gate is honestly the first game in a VERY long time for me where I actually get excited to play it. Before BG3, I refused to play any single player game without a huge list of mods because there's either nothing there, or the games that were great back in the day (Skyrim for example) really show their age and I've done pretty much all there is to do. And even with mods, they still don't compare to the sheer joy I feel hopping back into BG.
BG3 brought back my gaming spark after over 8 years of losing interest in the gaming industry, it brought back childhood memories of Never Winter Nights and the same excitement of running back home just to game, and for that, I'll always be a loyal customer of Larian 😊
I love that any time a good game comes out all these devs rush to tell us that we shouldn't expect them to make games that are fun just because someone else managed to
basically, if other game dev didn't have a story worth telling or experience worth sharing,
they should just fire themself and flip a burger instead.
there are basically Thousands of Indie dev that would kill to be able to be in their position
and make their Dream game.
there are thousands of people out there who had a great ideas, and want their voices to be heard,
instead, they we got ourself a bunch of prehistoric game dev that adopt a group mentality
where if they're not the one who succeed in life, then nobody should be success
@@jensenraylight8011I agree that it's very strange argument to come out as prominent figure of a gaming company and stating that BG3 or any other successful game is an anomaly and we won't be seeing another just like that. I mean there's nothing wrong with the argument, it's true that one game can only be done once. There may be sequels or DLC's that are better or worse though, but basic game is done and it delivered extraordinarily good. The problem is that this comes from prominent industry people who should compete to make ever better product, not compete to make minimum viable product.
I mean that from lifetime perspective of a studio it's better to make good and polished games and deliver for your promises. There's a thing called brand that can be associated both with game/game series and also gaming studio. It's true that people will expect extraordinary games from companies like Larion now and they are expected to deliver in the future. But this is huge marketing ace in the sleeve for the company, a spotlight and funding for new projects will be easy and hype will do marketing for free.
@@jensenraylight8011nah
Yeah, the gaming industry has gone to sh*t because of greed, and all these losers shilling out large amounts of money to microtransactions are part of the reason why it is continuing.
@@goodsamaritan66 Yeah, I hesitate to place too much blame on individual consumers just because these games are designed to draw people in, and they prey on people who tend towards addiction, which is never anyone's fault. But I agree that it's very difficult to push back against the microtransaction structure when people continuously buy into it and prove to the devs that it will make them money
In short. Don't hire the devs who made the tweets, Don't buy games from the videogame companies that complained, and most of all start supporting videogame companies like Larian studios and let the other greedy passionless ones die.
Yeah, imagine if Larian had this mentality when they started, they wouldn't be where they are now. They weren't a well known studio before were they?
@@Roofhack ya they were, original sin was a big hit
All I’ll say is that they are clearly distorting what gamers are saying. Almost everyone except 12 year olds know that gaming companies aren’t built equally; Rockstar games has a lot more money to build a game than Obsidian does. But Obsidian has games like Fallout New Vegas or South Park Stick of Truth which were praised and loved despite never being HUGE games and certainly not technical masterpieces. It’s not about scope, it’s about depth and fulfillment. People don’t need a story that is 100 hours, but they want a FULL game for $60 and not half a game with an immediate store pop up every time the game launches. I understand devs saying that the development cycle Larian had is untenable for some other studios, I sorta agree. But nobody has seen BG3’s success and demanded a bunch of 300 hour rpgs. They’re all just lauding a full game with good stability and no micro transactions!
@@Sindrella.They're not distorting with anyone saying. You are just not applying someone else's statement to yourself which is what happened.
Basically someone else made a generalizing statement that everyone does not agree with, but they still made the generalizing statement that applied to everyone. Then these devs pushed back against that statement saying this standard shouldn't be applied to everyone and they were specifically responding to specific people. Not you or people who believe what you believe, but other people who made generalizing statements. And now you're taking those devs statements as if they're talking to you.
The fact that you think they're distorting with gamer said proves my point because you didn't say the thing that they're fighting against, but someone did say it. That's the point.
It may not have been the gamers you're talking about, but some gamers did make the statement and they were just pushing against that specific statement. And now people are jumping down their throats as if they said something incorrect when you can't actually debunk the logic of some of these statements.
No other gaming studio are doing 6-year development cycles with 3 years of early access. Of course, every game would come out. Looking great if it had a longer than normal development cycles with half of that time. Also being dedicated to early access which allows for identifying bugs and changing or enhancing features that players don't like through continuous feedback. Every game had that every game would be good but every game can't do that. And the devs who made the statement pushing back against it know that.
More specifically, don't support companies at all. Just specifically buy quality products at appropriate prices and avoid sellouts and money grabs.
The main difference to me, was when I buy a game now. I usually finish it and say "Ill wait for the DLC for this game to be finished"
With this I was wanting to buy BG3 because I was genuinely exited at the idea of more content, and the idea of actually paying more into this product because I love it. I want to vote with my wallet on this one, because I really want more of this.
Just downloaded the game like 3 days ago, started playing yesterday. It's been one of the best games I've played so far. The cutscenes, story, characters, and last but not least, voice overs, it's just breath taking. It's been so long since I've fully immerged into the world of the game I play.
Admittedly, I got a cheat engine for combat cause the story is what I'm most interested in, but even still, the dungeons and dragons style combat is amazing. One of my all time favorite things about the game is the narrator, makes it feel like an actual dungeons and dragons session with a dungeon master.
To cut a long story short, the game is really amazing, and I really hope more games like this would come out in the future
I want to play it, but there is no UI scaling and text size increase so I cannot play it - due to my vision issue. So bum.
Imagine going to a restaurant paying $20 for a cheeseburger that looks amazing on the menu and getting a half cooked fast food hamburger... this is the state of AAA game development is in atm
More like last 5 years every single game is shit imagine supporting these devs all i can say is yar har ...
Threads like this make me grateful I don't game anymore. I used to really enjoy it.
@@MaryDunford indie games all the way, they often focus on better gameplay anyway
@@lyzzyeah
Okay now imagine the chef hasn't seen their family in over 6 months because they've been stuck in this kitchen making food without the time or resources to finish anything substantial. If you want better games then quit bitching about delays or release dates and just have some fucking patience.
The fact that a company focus on customer experience and satisfaction rather than money actually makes me want to buy their games
I think it was Asmongold (of all people) who said it best: I will buy the game even if I never personally play it. They just deserve the recognition for all the hard work AND CARE ABOUT THEIR CUSTOMERS
This is why I will buy the game and support the company. Fuck devs that are greedy and only use customers for money
take it from someone whos still playing, this is the very definition of a breath of fresh air
This tbh, I bought Baldur's Gate 3 right away. Didn't know anything about the company or the game. I haven't bought a AAA game in years (besides Nintendo games, which do still focus on fun content and high quality games #NintendoLove)
Do it it's worth it!
the amount of interaction and satisfaction i’ve gotten out of the game, from mechanics to designing and art to story writing; honestly makes me feel bad i didn’t pay more for this game. this is a game i’d happily pay $60 USD for, and not leave me always thinking ‘it wasn’t worth it…’ like I feel whenever I get a new pokemon game
Hey fellow pokemon shill
Bethesda's cacking their pants at this point, their output this year was laughable
BG3 is the first $70+ game (I'm Canadian so it's $79.99 CAD) where I didn't regret or feel uneasy about spending that money on it. I can easily play BG3 many times through without feeling bored, there is so much content I still cannot grasp it!! I can't remember feeling this enthralled by a game in YEARS!!
Yeah, but it's digital only, immensely shit move
@@Cormano980If you buy physical nowadays you're in the minority unfortunately
@ethanleffler9969 yeah, people encourage this practice blindly without seeing it as a greedy move on the part of gaming companies
Digital means no investing in a physical realease, more gains for them as it cost the same money, also completely kills the second hand market, you want the game you pay full price, no more playing it from your buddies or buying it cheaper
What irks me most is people singing their praises, "this company listens to the gamers, they make content to please everyone, they're this and that" but in the end they're as money hungry as every other companies
No matter how you look at it, digital is renting, you own basically nothing for your REAL hard earned cash
I think l you should expand the scope a little
Same here, I rarely purchase games at full price if I know it's worth playing once and that's it, but BG3 motivated me to purchase the game at full price not only to support the company but because I know I'm going to replay the game again and I'm at 38 hours and barely headed to the ummmm POSSIBLE SPOILERS! Moon tower.
Can you imagine how good the developers must feel when you got other developers saying yea don’t expect this type of great work from everyone like damn
That is the best compliment one could get lol.
It’s the biggest CRPG ever made and it took 20years to create it (that’s the word of the director)
It makes me want to go out and buy a gaming PC or laptop so I can buy and play the game
Buy it, and play it on any PC/Laptop with Geforce now. That's what I've done and the game is truly amazing. These devs deserve our support more than anything.
@@alexandrusavu8483 Tbh I doubt i can even run the game it looks so good
I absolutely hate turn base games, but BG3 is one of my favorite games ever. The fact a game can turn me into a genre I really dislike just shows you how good it is.
All credit to Larian studios! Showing AAA companies how its done!
Some companies are simply insane. They expect customer loyalty for no return. That's what happens when you develop everything based on raw data that treats customers as numbers.
Amen
Look at total war warhammer 3. I can't believe i wasted any money on that game. Full of bugs and some of their main features don't even work and they take months to update when modders do it within days.
But they DO get loyalty for no return. The playerbase keeps accepting shit over and over again
They don't have customers, they have consoomers. It's easy to differentiate between people who are interested in playing good games and people who just want to consume the next product. Of course they're fed shit - they keep happily wolfing it down.
like 343 when they released infinite. scummy comapny
Since I’ve started playing BG3, my standards have risen and I’m definitely not lowering them. There shouldn’t be any place in the world for mediocre games and unethical business practices
Literally what just happened to me, Decide to buy it and apart from a few indies I cant find the same enjoyment haha
I mean, mediocre games will happen regardless of the intent from the devs and their management.
Ideas will be tried and sometimes they won't work out.
Doesn't necessarily mean the game was complete trash, just that it didn't quite work out.
The big problem is the business model these studios want to employ. Where mediocre games is the goal because it costs less and every single customer is under monetized unless they spend $100+ dollars a month.
gaming is totally dead, a click click turn based game won goty, let's hope gta 6 can make gaming great again.
keep playing bg3, even lower than mediocre
@@jkloveyourselfcalls a game mediocre but then talks about GTA 😂😂😂😂😂 holy fuck your IQ is low, you probably think Assassin’s Creed and CoD are good games too
what a dumb vid and horrabile take
any artist is willing to over deliver in something that they love, if you give artist freedom and a united goal you will be rewarded with greatness, but when people controlling the company don't care about their creations and suffocate the artists and force bs decisions that nobody cares about you get shitty uninspired games, money comes not when you chase it, it comes naturally when you do your best at what you love
As someone who recently played Alien Hominid Invasion, a 20 buck game which gave me a better experience than even Halo Infinite, I can confirm that there are many games of high quality already out there just like BG3. It appears that the industry standard "games" are trying to drown out the real games. Ironic that the best games out there are also indie games as well. I guess Nintendo have been keeping their promise as well, but they make more family appropriate games, which is not the issue here, with the issue being immersive mature games of high worth, such as BG3 and Elden Ring. TLDR: I agree with your point of view on the topic.
Fuck halo
There is no such thing as over-delivery. This is exactly what a game developer should strive to accomplish.
Like this shouldnt be called over-delivery, it should be called the standard
@@Mr.Missfire its not standard. its just unexpected content that enhances the experience. this is why they should stop barking if they dont got bite in their games
The more you over deliver, the more your game enters the halls of timeless and can be expected to be played for ages to come.
Sometime is better to be silent then to speak and acknowledge to all that you are a idiot :( :D
Coz of people like you everything is shit now days, not just games... :(
Hats off to Larian Studios. They managed to design a game for gamers.
IKR, I wasn't supposed to buy BG3 but good reviews and everybody's playing it and I like 5e mechanics and...
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@@samiraperi467 Same, once I heard all of the praise I bought it and while I only played 2 hours so far I love the plot and gameplay.
lets just hope activision wont try to swallow them too, theyre good at sucking after all.
Swen's been doing that since he created Divine Divinity back in 2002. His first Divinity games are some of the best, most open-world CRPGs ever created.
These people are basically saying “we suck compared to the brilliant devs at Larian Stuidios and don’t expect games from now on to be that good”
“This kind of effort won’t be replicated this decade”
What an embarrassing statement 😂
I guess it's a hot take to say Larian Studios did NOT over deliver. They met expectations.
For an indie developer, they might've overdelivered. I expect that from THEM because they've ALWAYS been fucking stellar. They're a small company whose last big success was made by like 50 people and still kicked absolute ass.
They met what AAA standards SHOULD BE today, as a smaller independent developer.
They outshined everybody.
@@GuitarGuy057 I get what you are saying. Like we cant expect every indie dev of 50 or especially less to deliver on this level of quality, but for AAA studios that have massive teams and budgets, this should be every game for them.
@@Mr.Missfire i was thinking this too. like dude, ea has thousands of people and couldn't do this.
@@zachw2538 The absolute crazy thing is, they and every other big dev USES to do this level of content all the time. Mass Effect 1-3, the original Baldurs Gates, Assassin's Creed 2, Rainbow Six 2, Army of Two, Halo 3, the PlayStation Era Final Fantasy games, GTA 4, Saints Row 3..... the list is endless for games that were a complete package that were both content rich, and had enough in there to make people want to play it again amd again.
They met mine. Above average good crpg, but is overrated.
You know a game is good when the games industry is upset about it
Do your part and do not give greedy Companies like EA and Ubisoft a cent. If you really want to play their games, torrent them for free.
@@FutaCatto2Though I do agree with your sentiment, it’s easier said than done. EA, for example, is like Nestlé: everyone hates it but it’s got a huge market share. More often than not people are buying EA games without even realizing it.
@@student4373 less talking and start doing then
Atomic Heart comes to mind
@@student4373 That because of sport fans buying their sport games every year. Morons - all of them.
This is HILARIOUS. Devs saying "We're not capable of reaching this standard, so lower yours." NO!
You have put my decade of frustration into words. Thank you!
If developers and publishers want us to be “realistic” with our expectations for game quality, then they need to get realistic with how much $$ they’ll get from us
Speak louder to those corpo ears!
Games have gotten way cheaper over time. It's been $40 for AAA games since like, 20 years. Which means the same game should sell for $80 today.
Where you been the last 3 years? They are 70 now for console
@@A5tr0101 Yes, recently they increased the price to "normal" prices. Before that games were incredibly cheap. Not to mention that before that, games cost about $100-200.
play game pay price due to fun factor you had playing after
This. Everything this guy just said. The gaming industry needs to step it up because what they are calling "overdelivering" is actually just "delivering"
Right, because companies exist to deliver for consumers, and not shareholders. My guy, publicly traded studios will literally never meet this absurd expectation you have, *that's just capitalism.* If you don't like that your issue isn't with random CEO's deciding to be greedy, it's with the economic structure that requires they make those decisions or they/Board Directors will be personally sued by shareholders for taking any particular decision that wasn't the decision that maximized profits as much as possible. It is quite literally illegal for large, publicly traded studios to prioritize the consumer over shareholder's profit maximization, and you are genuinely naive and a silly person for not understanding that.
What boggles me is that apparently 90%+ of gamers are as silly and naive as you, and all making the same, deluded, illogical assumption that somehow these companies are doing gamers dirty personally by being capitalist. Hun, they don't give a fuck about you, their only idol is the line going up *as much as possible* on the chart, and quite literally nothing short of that line being as far to the top right as possible factors into their decision making process *whatsoever.* Simply "delivering" a game ensures maximum profit to public shareholders; overdelivering would imply there was profit left on the table that was not captured, gains that were lost, and if that financial loss can be measureable and tied to a particular decision a Board member made (which can be as simple as hiring a CEO who in turn failed to maximize profits, and failing to fire and replace that CEO with one that will maximize profits as soon as the Board knows) then you can bet your booty shareholders *will fucking sue your ass* and you will never get a cushy Board Director seat ever again... and may face prison time.
So no, literally none of these studios will ever "overdeliver" if they're publicly traded, and it's honestly amazingly embarrassing that so many gamers unironically don't understand how capitalism works. Ya'll being childish and ignorant af.
"B-but, its so hard to develop a game that is deep and rich in lore and gameplay, and actually works on day 1 with little to no issues! What about this half cooked game I (EA) just made? It has great graphics on the most high end computer you could ever pay money for, so why arent you just satisfied with that? Also, I just introduced new skins in all of the other games, so actually im better!"
EA & Bungie, basically.
Overdelivering? what the fuck is that term? seriously?. Never heard of anyone ever saying a 'game over delivered' doesn't that just mean 'it's good'.
@@Aldenfenris
Yeah scratching my head , it works , it entertains, it's value for money , a good delivery. Sometimes you might love the game , sometimes not. Even when you don't love such you will not have feeling you have been taken to be a sucker. Lots of games being sold today don't work, do not entertain , are vastly overpriced, and are terrible deliveries , yet we are told by these game makers that these meet the standard of being the good deliveries.... sucker.
When people criticize your artwork because it'll 'raise standards', you know you made something REALLY good.
What the people who criticize the game like this don't realize is they're just advertising the game even more. I bought Baldur's Gate 3 because my colleague told me there's a romanceable vampire in it (as many of us did hashtag bloodless debuff), but I am QUITE sure if I saw one of these criticizing tweets, I'd buy it in a heartbeat too.
Don't forget that BG3 was in development for YEARS because Larian wanted to make sure its release was as polished as it could be.
That's how it should be, with game devs taking their time to ensure the quality of their product is good. Instead, these other devs are trying to push the narrative that rushed, unfinished, buggy, microtransaction-littered games are the modern standard. I sincerely hope this is not the case for the future, and more games like BG3 and ER come to break the mold. Games are supposed to be made from passion, dedication, and time; not profit-chasing.
I think the video game industry is the only industry I can think of that has actual developers openly say "this thing being really good sets a bad precedent where people will now start expecting the things we make to be good too."
It’s also the only industry where the manufacturer/developers of the product seem to be at odds with their consumers and adopt a, “we’re gonna do it how WE WANT and you’ll like it.”
The only way any of this will change is if people stop spending their money on this bullshit.
Colluding to make sure all your products are bad is actually really common and makes sense since companies want to avoid competition. It's how we got the Phoebus cartel 100 years ago but they've never been oblivious enough to say it out in public.
I kind of understand what they mean. Not every game needs to be a masterpiece with hundreds upon hundreds of possible combinations. That's like saying Messi should be the standard of a football player. It's crazy to expect that even in the top leagues. However, a game being fully functional, delivering on what it promises and having no actual content behind microtransactions is not a crazy standard for a game.
@@faber3969It's not conscious collusion, but shared incompetence and hatred for gamers.
@@crewthief1431 Bro isnt that the movie industry right now as well?
Fully developed and properly play-tested games with a high amount of content no longer being the industry standart but "an anomaly" and that we shouldn't expect such a thing from other studios is mind-boggling.
"overdelivering" 😂😂😂
Because they overpromise and then underdeliver.
"Why don't you buy new games anymore"
Yeah, talk about lowering the bar. Imagine if a car manufacturer said the same thing... there would be uproar and half the consumer-rights groups (as well as state regulators) would make sure that nobody buys such a car. But in gaming this exact same thing is seemingly totally acceptable - even though it's a billion-dollar market and the customers are often even under-age and should be better protected from such predators.
...it was never a standard.
I want to add that there is a big difference between the average game dev and the corporations/business people they work for. Many AAA corporations, their CEOs, COOs etc. only exist to please stockholders, and the people in such positions always have a greater say in the development cycles of any game than a dev. So, when you read any response from the company as a whole, know that many devs disagree with what might be said. Obviously, there are devs on social medias talking about lowering expectations on their personal accounts. I also think people shouldn't direct their anger or whatever at them, because game development for them is their job, so going online to see literal hundreds of thousands of people repeating the sentiment that other devs "just need to do better" will obviously exhaust them. They know the abilities of themselves and their colleagues, and its also likely that, in hindsight, they can recognize their own shortcomings. So seeing people online talking about games they may have worked on and how they're bad because the devs just didn't care enough is like giving terrible advice from the back seat. Most devs do try their best, so please do not get mad because some are tired of hearing the same things they basically already know.
I am so glad that the Larian leadership hasn't folded under requests to buy out the company.
Just proves how much they truly care about the work they do.
I swear when ever a game gets announced/released I always expect a buggy mess. If a game comes out good and playable it honestly shocks me.
Yup. Been disappointed too many times the past 10 years.
Buddy look ip there was definitely bug on release an still are I was in act 1 an my character just starts floating or the companions wouldn’t load they’d be invisible but still take damage lol even on the cutscenes but ehh no bugs definitely
I think one reason for this, is the fact you download games now and you can update them easy. Before Steam or other gaming platforms ppl bought cds and you couldnt update or fix bugs in the game, so back than Game developers had the pressure to make their games bug free or otherwise they are fcked.
Companies: do massive layoffs
Also companies: erhmagod we can’t keep up with this.
To be fair numbers do not actually translate well to content although there is a bare minium. nor does money does actually.
It is mainly a factor of direction, efficient application of resources, and time. That last part is why games do often fail, the application of time is the first thing to get removed. Even Larian just can't quite get everything wrapped up by the end. But... they did do a pretty damn solid job at it. A good direction is then paramount. For example I would label a game line Elite Dangerous as a game with stellar assets, amazing visual and environment design, and a huge amount of varied content... that is constantly murdered by an awful execution and following the wrong product vision. It does not matter how good your devs and modellers are when your direction is being held by people who apply mobile game logic to it.
And finally you have resource utilisation. Look at any of the DOS or even BG itself. It's full of re-used assets, some areas are definitely a bit overlooked, and so on... But when the story or game calls for ubique environments, it delivers on them. And it re-use it's assets in a way that maximizes it's environment creation potential. Many AAA games are pained with either allocating not enough resources to making ubique things feel unique, or wasting very valuable resources giving everything unique and expansive assets and neglecting things that matter as a result.
Game dev is a balancing act but what separates a good game from a bad one is often the willingness of devs to accept their own limits and to accept that no success ever comes quick and easy.
@@mobiuscoreindustriesi aint reading allat 🤣🤣🤣 happy for u/sorry for ur loss
@@Uaene I mean I should be the one sorry that you do not have an attention span. Trust me if there was a way to put a cropped subway surfer clip on the side I would do so.
But sure do let the entire world know of this. After all it is a warcrime to not put a sign in front of a minefield.
It's more profitable to do it like this anyway. And while there is definitely a lot more than just hiring and firing involved in developing a good game. It's just seen as better to launch ANY game (good or bad). As long as new IPs spring up, big companies will always have new cssh cows to milk dry.
A lot of this is reminding me of a niche indie scene I was in earlier this year for visual novels. There was a genre of horror visual novels that had one or two reach massive success in their demos that, while still limited in their story felt quality made with its visuals, writing, and at the time substantial length. The creators presences of SNS and creating fake lore with other indie game creators in the genre often convinced people who had ideas for OCs to join in on the chance of making games with the issue of not really caring for game making. Jump forward there was a massive flood of demos for the genre but many were... well not good. Between demos lasting maybe 3-5 mins and often times rushed graphics you could tell many of the creators jumped not to make games for games but look to reap the social benefits of trying to get in with some of the more massive creators [who ended up becoming very exclusionary to their general audiences and had falling out]. Majority of these games seem lost as the creators no longer are updating or seem to be making progress outside of the 'demos'. There ended up becoming a stark difference between the quality of VNs in the general indie side and why those have gained such a massive following contrasted from the community of those who put in the bare expectations of what makes a VN game more than just a needing an original set of characters. All of this is to say so many games both massive and small that can focus in on understanding what draws in players to make their games appealing generally isn't hard. It takes time-- I mean one of my favorite VN creators isn't set to release their next game until 2025/2026 in full but really when others are seeking to gain something either money, status, or connections solely by the quality it will always 'over deliver'
I bought this game on a friday at 9pm and by Saturday at 8pm i had 12 hours logged. I havent felt this addicted to a game since pretending to be sick to play Skyrim instead of go to school
The last time a game was this addicting was Dragon Age: Origin. The fact I have to wait for so long for another game like DAO is not only disappointing but makes me angry thinking about this. And even that game was exhausting.
This is not a problem of the video game industry alone. It's a problem of the whole current society.
By which you mean "capitalism". Or at least, the twisted version we have in the West.
Yep. Late stage capitalism. Its why the US propaganda machine has been turned up to 11 in the last decade because the billionaire pedophiles can read the room and know people are sick of this shit.
we truly liv in socity
@@TheVanillatech nah western capitalism isn't twisted, it's working exactly how it's supposed to, it's just hit the late stage
@@TheVanillatech "Stop being so productive, you make us look bad!" is the opposite of capitalism.
Fuck that, I'm a one-man game dev as a hobby, I look up to games like this for inspiration, a standard that has to be set to follow, to say I shouldn't raise my own standards as a creator only means I'm being impeded from growing and developing my skills, and I hate nothing more than people hindering growth for the sake of commodity.
Glad you’re taking the right lessons from this
kenshi would have never got past its unity test footage if people followed "AAA" games studios example.
The strong thrive and the weak parish. I bid you thrive well my strong friend.
What kind of games are you looking to make?
Your grammar is horrible.
Why even bother with the punctuation, if you have no clue what any of it means. 😂
Maybe the fear of "over delivering" comes from the fact that the normal studios aren't able to produce the BG3 standard tha Larian has year on year. If they broke the cycle and took a few more years between games/IPs/content, maybe they would be able to?
Devs: "Baldur's gate is overdelivering! We can't meet those expectations!"
Baldur's gate describing scenes characters are seeing in each others heads, but not actually showing it.
Devs: "This is too much! If this were the new standard for videogames, we'd be ruined!"
They're not 'overdelivering'. Bg3 just delivered a product worth the pricetag. He's right. This used to be the standard. Devs are just not up to spec anymore. They shouldn't be rewarded for that. Maybe they should stop developing games and develop their skills first. Just a thought.
They shouldn't be game devs if they are solely in it to get as much money as possible for as little effort as they can. Ubisoft, bungie, EA they can all go bankrupt and the gaming industry would be better off
@@MaryDunford what's funny is BG3 is CHEAPER than some modern triple A broken messes, with 70 dollar price tags becoming the new norm
@@MaryDunfordBruh people either forgot or don't know but it used to be that if you bought DLC you got like 5 new maps, 10 new characters, 50 new weapons, a new soundtrack with 20 songs and 3 wallpapers.
Stop blaming saying devs, its the studios and the leaders
I am 100% perfectly fine sinking thousands of hours into BG3. They did an amazing job and I hope the gaming industry changes to become something better. Love this game and wish the devs that put their heart and soul into this masterpiece an incredible bonus, they deserve it
bro they're game devs you don't need to suck them off so hard
So you don't mind how utterly worthless every early NPC is? Total assholes with shit stories....
The core meachnaics are fine...carbon copies of every d&d game that came before...but fine...
man games are so shit these days i don't even want to pirate them 😥
These companies and developers are crying because the gaming community is demanding a full complete gaming experience out of the value of our hard earn money. Instead of looking at what can be made and be better they decide to complain and make excuses to justify a 60$ game that is not even complete. After buying and playing Baldur's Gate 3, Divinity 2, Elden Ring and many other games mentioned in this video, I have already made up my mind. Any game that Larian Studios or From Software releases will have my full support, even if I don't have the time to play all of them, I will support them and hopefully my "wallet vote" is a small grain of sand that gets the gaming companies to a better standard.
This pisses me off. The fact that bg3 “overdelivered”, when it just met the BASIC GOALS OF A TRIPLE A GAME, is so annoying.
Seeing the work that solo devs can put out, i see no excuse for a large company to NOT make quality products.
It’s because they are rushed that is why. Long time ago you would wait years for a sequel. Now days its maybe a year two
@@giorhivers1672
"Rushed" doesn't even begin to explain why AAA games are mid to bad nowadays, from bad design choices to outright laziness and predatory concepts, gamers are just wallets to them.
@@spikertaker disagree. it is 90% of the time the reason a game is bad. rushed = smaller team, no design time = bad design choices. I can assure you 95% of all game devs are not lazy. Predatory game concept, yes here I agree, this comes usually from top management to maximize the profits. It guarantees a longer lifetime (free2play / games as a service) and higher average revenue per user (ARPU). Sadly this is the dominant business model nowadays.
But games are usually bad because they are rushed. It does explain it in most cases. In the other cases it is bad management, micromanagement from the publishers.
Big studios do shit games bcs empty suit interfere in the creativity. Problem is not (only) devs, is exces, directors, board members and alike not liking the games and seaking cash.
It’s not that big companies can’t make good games. They straight up don’t want to. People buy their games regardless the effort they put in, often even on pre-order. Until consumers changes their behaviors and hold these big publishers accountable, bad games will continue to be the norm.
Larian has inadvertently exposed modern AAA developers and publishers for the greedy low effort pigs that many of them are. I LOVE IT. We need more Larians.
Amen
Honestly it's not even low effort that is the problem (the gaming industry is notorious for being absolute hell in terms of workload).
But rather that their focus is so skewed that it's silly.
Instead of focusing on making a good game, that players will enjoy, the focus is solely on micro transactions or scummy ways to hide content behind a paywall.
It's not even the mammoth effort of Larian that was put into BG3 that is the main achievement.
The big deal is that an AAA studio like Larian made it their sole purpose to create a game that was filled with PLAYABLE CONTENT, making a game which the devs would like to play themselves!
In stark contrast to most AAA game studios which focus on getting the player to spend money. Diablo being a prime example of that lately.
He’s damn right! We definitely need more Larians and less Antwans!
Well they played with the A's in the way that if new AC is AAA BG should be like AAAAAAA at least…
Imagine crunching for an activision game that can't find new evolution in the game, has almost no stories and people would still buy them bc it's a new version (Hi COD, Hi Fifa, Hello NBA 2K)😮
Santa Monica (and more specifically, the people behind the God of War games) are another group of developers that I trust. We just got an impressive dlc to GoW: Ragnarok for no charge at all.
Swen or how his name is spelled would be an amazing Easter egg in a game he made as an AI you can interact with.
98% of game devs: NooOOoooOO, you CAN'T make a goood, complete and modern game that should be the standard for modern technology and hardware! You're ruining our money making!
Larian: *makes good game anyway*
Chad game devs
Expecting this game to be the standard would be like expecting Michael Jordan to be the standard for basketball players. That's completely unreasonable. Speaking from experience, there aren't that many talented developers to go around. The industry is mostly flooded with people with middling programming skills.
@@JiggyJones0 I must disagree on that one. Big studios like EA, Ubisoft or Blizzard would be very much able to do games on this scale for the RPG genre, if their main goal wasn't to milk the player with shitty half-finished low tier cash grabs. The "games" that come out of AAA studios these days are littered with micro transactions, battle passes and dlc content that should've been in the game to begin with, that was just cut out to make even more money. And most run like shit too, even on cutting edge hardware.
You have CEOs saying shit like: "The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games." It's all about profit.
@@JiggyJones0 Big studios are the Michael Jordan. Larian would be some college baller. What's their excuse?
Larian : *make the Game of the Year*
I’m old enough to remember when developers competed with each other to make better products rather than colluded to nickel and dime consumers 😂
Yeah now it just who can come up with the best money grabbing scheme so we can copy for our game.
this is what happens when executive decisions are given to business suits who have never played a game in their lives vs people who make games because they want to play them themselves
We need more devs
To be honest I can kinda feel for the devs - I work in machine learning for business and every programmer knows that gamedev is the only sector in IT that is being mistreated and underpaid for the sake of „passion”. Crunches, low pay and outrageous amount of money flowing through the company and you don’t even get paid overhours - it’s disgusting - and corporate greed to add to all that (EA, CDPR). BG3 is clearly a passion project - people working on it gave it their all, and I hope they have good money and bonuses. The game is a masterpiece.
Bro, I'm really proud of your work, we need someone talking about this nonsense, people forget that we are humans not wallets without a brain.
Thank you for your work!
The fact that FromSoftware made Elden Ring with a team of around 300 developers, and AAA studios have development teams of literally 10 times that many people just show this has never been an issue of bandwidth or resources. It’s profit over passion. BG3 has been an incredible experience so far and it hurts to know this is likely an anomaly rather than a new standard.
And also the fact that armored core 6 is coming this month only a year after elden ring and another unnamed game still being developed is coming soon. It shows that most devs have gotten lazy. You can tell from interviews with Miyazaki and Yamumura that they have been wanting to make AC6 for a long time and are very passionate and confident about their project. And the fact they did all of this with only a staff of 300 shows how talented they are.
Aaah, other Devs say it is a "ANOMALY" doesnt make it true. They lie but will end up trying to make a copy-cat verison of BG3 and fail miserablly like the lame, "ANOMALY" BS
in ''some'' company maybr only 1 out of 10 people is actually doing the job, the other 9 too busy with all kinds of meetings and etc
All those "10 times many people" are working on next bp to sell you for another 25 bucks
@@toledochristianmatthew9919 I was going to say that the reason other game devs make crap is because they try to release a new game every year to cash grab, but no, it mustn't be that if FromSoft can do it and with vastly less staff.
BG3 success makes me so freaking happy for Larian. People with passion and ambition always deserve praise and support. May they make more masterpieces for their entire existence!
Too much sex though. Most players just want to play a normal game. Surprised it isn't tagged as a sexual game on steam
@@dbix11they ask you if you are okay with nudity at start of the game, if u picked no then you won’t get sex
@@dbix11stop being a pussy it's an adult game
@@dbix11 just say no to characters who suggest u sex lol
@@dbix11 - Romance is something the cRPG fans like. Besides, it's optional, so I don't see the problem with choice. You can either say no, or disable nudity. Isn't that what we always ask for, options?
6:00 so what I'm hearing is devs think the best way to do their job is to not do their job
I can't really see how "overdelivering" is at play when all that is asked is quality from these developers. Assassins Creed, Horizon, Naughty dog and others also have tons of content. Freaking STARDEW VALLEY has a million things and its done by one person. We need these companies to stop making so many remakes, poor DLC, microtransaction ridden piece of softwares. People will praise them all if they just get it right. People love the new entries of the RE IP and theyre short and sweet
What sucks is that baldrs gate 3 is literally what games releases used to be
Yeah it's because the game is made by indie studio where the eves are first players
From what I understand from friends who've bought the game, Act 3 is completely unplayable due to poor optimisation.
Sounds like the game is broken.
@@Molotov_Milkshake like you have 2 FPS? Or major visual bugs? What are poor optimization for you?
@@Molotov_Milkshakethat was during early access
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The clear difference in company-mindset... _"This is our Labor of Love"_ vs. _"How can we attract investors?"_
Thank you Larian Studios!
Exactly
It's ultimately the proof that becoming mainstream is in fact, the worst thing to happen to gaming. Since the majority fell away from labor of love in favor of money alone.
yes! like, stardew valley is massively beloved and it's made by Literally One Dude (or at least was in the beginning, he might've hired some people by now idk) out of the fun and love of the genre. and it's another game where you get the whole thing! it's not comparable to bg3, but it's still on my shortlist of favorite games alongside it because it's just that good.
Well if this is the labor of love it will definitely attract consumers, profit, investor, more profit in that order
is it that good ?
Great video
gaming is the only industry where people can argue about things being "too good"
Holy smokes. This is where we are at. Not only is it OK to be a developer that will charge full price for a half cheek effort, but apparently they feel safe enough to announce that they absolutely will not put in that kind of effort into their products.
Customers should make note of the places that those people work, and think twice about any purchases from them.
Took be fair, that's because their existence is on the line here. For players it's mostly just a hobby, they don't loose anything but time and surplus money.
For the devs it's a possible loss of their primary income.
I mean that's why people work in banks and factories, much safer income.
@@sonkeschmidt2027 That's really sad for those developers, but you know, that shit happens to everyone in IT. You learn, adapt and grow or you are out.
@@sonkeschmidt2027 I agree, and that is my point. I think in my generation if you are in a professional environment or competing and you get your butt handed to you, the thought processes and action plans would be along the lines of "wow, we just lost big time, where did we fail, what do we need to do different, because these guys are cleaning up on us" not to announce, "wow, I hope you don't expected me to do that"...
That is a major shift in perspective in a very short period of time, and arguably (I'm judging here) a very lazy perspective, but it is in line with a victim mentality.
@@tomusmc1993 I know that it is what it is. Working in artistic/creative fields is inevitably risky if you want to feed a family. One needs to know that before choosing take this risk in search of a fulfilling profession. Still I feel compassion for all the moths that get drawn to the flame because most people don't have a real chance to bloom into the same genius as those few who stand out as heroes in the halls of history as they have been at the right time and the right place in their lifes.
That doesn't mean you can entirely predict who is going to achieve the next level in the development of mankind so it's baseless two argue that beforehand.
Still the reality is that most are not going to make it that far and they will struggle to get on with the lives they managed to build for themselves.
They do not deserve my pity and I surely can't and possibly shouldn't give them charity. But it doesn't cost me nothing to give them my compassion.
This pretty much sums up the writer's strike too.
Imagine Walmart saying, “please ignore the furniture sold at Restoration Hardware. It is unrealistic to expect us to make that quality. Please keep buying our low quality furniture.” THEY DONT! No other industry talks like this. Walmart understands their target market. They aren’t trying to sell furniture to upper-middle class. They sell low quality stuff for real cheap. These game studios need to understand how markets work and realize that they have to compete.
Imagine a doctor saying “please ignore the success rates of this other surgeons operations, they are unrealistic and not representative of us” you’d run from that doctor
but if walmart set their prices as high as Restoration Hardware (not from the US, assuming their stuff is higher quality and more expensive), nobody would buy it.
However in gaming, people will just buy it anyway, so studios just think "High Quality = Money but Low Quality also = Money"
If Walmart made their furniture as expensive as Restoration Hardware and people still bought it, there's a good chance that they would say that.
Slowly gaming is making a stand as seen by Overwatch 2, but it won't be a few years until we see changes.
Exactly. Or they should sell their shit for 20 bucks instead of premium price
Elden ring creators didn't "overdeliver" their game. They produced a game that SHOULD be of its quality in this day and age. The rest of the competition? They most certainly "underdeliver".
Bg3 has finally brought back the old spark in me. The old dragon ages and overlord did when I was a child. I didn't realize how much gaming has changed and thought it was just age, no, it lacked developer effort. It feels good to actually fully enjoy a game again.
Gaming will never change for gamers, it the whole industry that changed thanks to stupid casual and mobile gaming. Also game mechanics changed from having to find medpacks to health regeneration. If you are a gamer, you are a gamer for life. There is no if or but. Glad you realize this.
Something that apparently no one is noticing is how BG3 is a definitive example of how to use early access. It released in EA almost three years ago and back then I bought it immediatly. I've seen the immense changes that it has gone through because of all those fans testing it and giving feedback ánd Larian actually listening to them.
And you don't need to purchase the full game if you got on board with early access, which is not something every studio does... 😅
I mean, hell, a friend of mine got early access and THREE origin characters were added before the full release!
Exactly so. My story is just like yours and I completely agree - they did use this time effectively and delivered in the end just what they had promised they would have. This is called professionalism I guess, but what do I know:)
Not to mention the Early Access purchases helped fund the development of the game I would think.
AND THEY GAVE THE DIGITAL DELUXE FOR FREE
"Today's over delivery was 10-20 years ago's industry standard" EXACTLY THIS. I've been gaming since the 80s. My family bought a Nintendo while moving across the country and staying in hotels. Elden Ring and BG3 are not Over Delivering. This is what we always had and expected - and loved. It's what fans want, hope for, and would love to be able to expect. $80+ for a game that gives only limited access to content and then luring them into microtransactions with fan-loved items is just sleazy.
Support the game companies that do this. Don't support the ones that don't. If they want the $, they'll make what fans want.
Let's send sales for BG3 through the roof and send a clear message to not only Larian studios, but to all its fuming competitors.
And then paying $80 dollars for a game that they can just shut the servers down for and then youre hooped.
Agree 100%. I'm done buying games from big studios like EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc. Their games are all shit and the same. Open EMPTY world, skill tree, rpg elements, millions of pointless side quests, and overall forgettable experiences. I've been gaming since 87' and gaming is just so mainstream shoveled out now, there is no more heart and passion in most projects now.
@@ByteByteMause what are the sample critizisims tho? I genuinely wanna know since I plan to buy it. Is it more like a personal preference issue or something ain't good like fr?
@@ByteByteMause Once mods are integrated, I feel there will be "Quality of life" mods to balance stuff like this. It is indeed a bit immersion breaking, since those type of dialogue should have their time and place.. Maybe after walking for a while without any notable encounters.
Still, I like that the game is open about relationship development, romance, group dynamic, etc... It's a step in the right direction for RPGs and should definitely be more present, just not during battles (unless your significant other is badly wounded or killed and your character reacts and stuff)
I don't think this is just centered around gaming. If is the new standard everywhere. In the food industry it is called "Shrinkflation", with furniture the new standard is chipboard sacrificing durability. News have shifted towards clickbait over content. etc etc.
All we as consumers can do is stop buying their crap and when a game like BG3 comes along, buy it! Hell, buy extra copies for your friends and loved ones as Christmas gifts.
The last time I got the excitement that BG3 has given me, it was back in 1997 with FF7
We need to punish AAA companies and this is not buying games when they come out. Wait for the sales, even if it’s 2-3 years later. It’s just like the streaming service industry, it’s has became a joke. They don’t care about their products, they just want our money. Don’t give it to them
Same applies to everything you buy in life. Take cars, we should be polluting less, but no. Because marketing has made the SUV’s and trucks the standard
And don’t worry, they’ll fire you even if business is blooming, even if the countries give them ballout to keep employment
They only care about the shareholders, well we know exactly how to punish them ; don’t buy
We aren't expecting the scope to be the new standard. Other devs putting those words into our mouths is just a way that they victimize themselves for pity. We expect the upstanding business practices and care for the players and community to be the new standard.