Thank you for this video. I just picked up a Staccato P to go with my C2 and was going to order backup replacement springs for both. Great timing. Thanks again.
Great information as usual from Hilton. IMO he is THE authority on 1911/2011 stuff ; whether it be training or all things gunsmithing. This guy is awesome, having bet him and train with him. Listen to what he is talking about and you will gain a wealth of information not available elsewhere.
It was informative, if not "riveting". I carry a Staccato C and just purchased a Staccato P (I LOVE both guns). I also have several STI 1911s, so this video was valuable. Thanks.
I have a Staccato XC and I'm currently running the factory 8lb spring. I know that in your previous video on the Staccato XC, you stated that out of the 8lb, 9lb, and 10lb springs, you preferred the 9lb. Can you say what changed your mind from the 9lb to the 10lb?
I have a 2019 P DUO in .45 ACP with the heavy recoil master.......The yellow, heavy springs went out of production but Staccato promises to make more. We will see. Dawson Precision gave me a 4.15" tool-less guide rod and I tried cut down 18# and 20# Commander springs. These will work if you avoid coil bind but lets hope the yellow RM springs come back......
More info … I have a c2 with a cut down 7lb recoil Wolff spring. And just to put it out there, it doesn’t feed jhp, RIP or ultimate ammunition +p rounds well. So if you decide for a light spring I recommend 9lb atleast
@108Performance - are you sure about the 13# commander length spring for the 4.4in Staccato P? I called Dawson and asked about replacement recoil springs, commander length etc. They said the 4.4" Tool-Less Guide Rod uses a proprietary spring length and commander length would not work.
I'm only as sure as what we agreed to put out when I stood up the LE program at the STI/Staccato factory in 2019. That's the info that was getting put out officially at that time, and if Dawson decides different...then that's up to them. Honestly it's easiest just to buy the springs from Dawson anyway as they'll be 100% the same as what's in your gun.
The Staccato C2- Recoil Master 3.9 light 9mm is what came with the pistol - so NO “after market” recoil spring that allows me to change to a simple single spring without a Recoil Master system? Change 3-5 K, just buy a couple from the factory and keep on hand for the routine maintenance. ? Did I get that right?
I'm probably going to get lampooned for asking this based on the firm tone in video regarding messing with the sear spring, but I'm gonna do it anyway. The trigger pull is a little heavier than I like on the staccato P and I was debating throwing on a cylinder and slide light pull sear spring. Supposedly it reduces pull weight by up to 1.5lbs. On a scale from 1-STUPID, where are we at?
Depends on your use.. If you want to use it for duty/defense, I would say that's a bad idea, if you want to use it for competition or range use only, I personally don't have an issue. But I'm also not the master who made this video. LOL.
Hey Hilton. My PD uses 124+P Winchester Ranger ammo. For practice we use Winchester white box 124. Should I change my recoil spring out for the heavier +P spring? I’m running the stock spring and am about 5-6k rounds in the gun.
I recall the white box 124 is stout as ball goes but not needing a 15lb spring. If you shoot the duty ammo in high volume you might want to change to the 15lb. Otherwise if it's occasional use of duty ammo, then you could split the difference and just keep the 13lb (stock) spring very fresh at 3k change intervals.
I haven't and I don't recommend using anything other than the factory recoil springs on the guns, especially given that the 4.15" is a unique length and there is no reason to change the timing or slide travel as would occur when using flat wire.
@@108Performance Thanks, I don't know about the timing. But I don't think the travel should be necessarily afected. As the Wilson professional models are 4" guns as well, am I wrong on that? Brownells even lists the tactical 4.0 as compatible, and the 9mm spring is 13# also.
@@jindrichstariat5821 I'm telling you in simple terms - DO NOT USE AFTERMARKET SPRINGS in the Staccato. Flat wire springs offer increased slide travel due to being...flat...which then can affect timing. You don't need to attempt to outsmart the gunsmiths at the factory, just run the gun and replace worn springs. You will NOT gain anything from spring swapping.
Can you use a commander-length one-piece guide rod as a replacement for the Dawson rod? Have you ever known that little lever to break or tie up the gun?
No - the reverse plug is a unique size, and that lever isn’t subjected to any stress. The round counts through guns with these systems is extremely high due to agency testing. No factor.
Does running the 10lb spring in the XC affect the reliability with various ammo weights? I love that I can run 115gr with the xc but hit the slide with my thumb and once kept it from returning to battery. Hoping the 10lb can help this.
I have a 2020 P that I’m running 880fps 147 grain ammo through and it started having constant stoppages on the second round of the mag (first round is cycled in manually). That same ammo ran fine in it with all but 2 of my mags last year (figured it was the mags). I have to drop the mag, cycle in a new round and it runs the rest of the mag fine, this happens on mags that were 100% reliable before and measure ok. Should I be swapping the lighter spring in? I’m using the normal spring which has about 1,500 rounds on it (if that).
Try the lighter spring and see if it makes any difference. Test each mag at full capacity - insert at slide lock, drop via slide stop. Reference the Feedway Testing video in the 2011 playlist here.
Don’t have a 2011, don’t have a 9mm 1911, still watch all your videos. No BS, great info, voice of experience. Saving up to try to take a class
I would like to say again that I love my C2. Thanks for the video brother!
Thank you for this video. I just picked up a Staccato P to go with my C2 and was going to order backup replacement springs for both. Great timing. Thanks again.
This is a useful video. I get questions about Staccato guns and have very little data to provide. I’ll just link them here.
Regards,
Marky
Good stuff. Great spring info
Great information as usual from Hilton. IMO he is THE authority on 1911/2011 stuff ; whether it be training or all things gunsmithing. This guy is awesome, having bet him and train with him. Listen to what he is talking about and you will gain a wealth of information not available elsewhere.
Thx Hilton 👍
It was informative, if not "riveting". I carry a Staccato C and just purchased a Staccato P (I LOVE both guns). I also have several STI 1911s, so this video was valuable. Thanks.
Thank you for this. Just stocked up on springs.
Great video brother thanks for the information 👍
I have a Staccato XC and I'm currently running the factory 8lb spring. I know that in your previous video on the Staccato XC, you stated that out of the 8lb, 9lb, and 10lb springs, you preferred the 9lb. Can you say what changed your mind from the 9lb to the 10lb?
Thanks. Appreciated.
I love info...Thank you sir....great video !!
Thanks for sharing this video!
I have a 2019 P DUO in .45 ACP with the heavy recoil master.......The yellow, heavy springs went out of production but Staccato promises to make more. We will see. Dawson Precision gave me a 4.15" tool-less guide rod and I tried cut down 18# and 20# Commander springs. These will work if you avoid coil bind but lets hope the yellow RM springs come back......
awesome thanks
if i wanted to run duty ammo out of my staccato XC i will go with the 10lb spring but where do i buy it from
Does the inner spring on the 3.9" Recoil Master ever have to be replaced?
Cam you post a video how to change the springs with the guide rod
More info … I have a c2 with a cut down 7lb recoil Wolff spring. And just to put it out there, it doesn’t feed jhp, RIP or ultimate ammunition +p rounds well. So if you decide for a light spring I recommend 9lb atleast
Great content Hilton. Any plans to review the CHPWS plate for the staccato 2011s?
Second that
I can do that. Probably overdue.
@108Performance - are you sure about the 13# commander length spring for the 4.4in Staccato P? I called Dawson and asked about replacement recoil springs, commander length etc. They said the 4.4" Tool-Less Guide Rod uses a proprietary spring length and commander length would not work.
I'm only as sure as what we agreed to put out when I stood up the LE program at the STI/Staccato factory in 2019. That's the info that was getting put out officially at that time, and if Dawson decides different...then that's up to them. Honestly it's easiest just to buy the springs from Dawson anyway as they'll be 100% the same as what's in your gun.
I just checked the staccato website and your right it’s a tool-less guide Rod because I wanted to order one
Do you know the standard weight for the Staccato R?
What toolless guide rode assm. Do you recommend for Springfield Prodigy 4.25
The Staccato C2- Recoil Master 3.9 light 9mm is what came with the pistol - so NO “after market” recoil spring that allows me to change to a simple single spring without a Recoil Master system? Change 3-5 K, just buy a couple from the factory and keep on hand for the routine maintenance.
? Did I get that right?
Correct
@@108Performance Much thanks for the info and your efforts in this area.
What about the smaller secondary spring on the c2 recoil master? Never change it?
What if I have a C2 supressed? Should I get a 15 lb spring? I've had a few rounds not cycle
How the gun would behave when it's time to change the spring? I lost track of the round count, and I know I'm not close to 4k yet...
My gun stopped closing with authority and hitched during feeding. If you’re attentive you may also notice spring feels lighter.
Needing a recoil, and firing pin spring for a 4.4 staccato 2011. Are you sure the commander 9mm 1911 spring is what I’m after?
I'm probably going to get lampooned for asking this based on the firm tone in video regarding messing with the sear spring, but I'm gonna do it anyway. The trigger pull is a little heavier than I like on the staccato P and I was debating throwing on a cylinder and slide light pull sear spring. Supposedly it reduces pull weight by up to 1.5lbs. On a scale from 1-STUPID, where are we at?
Depends on your use.. If you want to use it for duty/defense, I would say that's a bad idea, if you want to use it for competition or range use only, I personally don't have an issue. But I'm also not the master who made this video. LOL.
Do you think Gen 2 ODS Grip modules will ever be available again?
If the factory ever gets caught up with production, we can hope.
Hey Hilton. My PD uses 124+P Winchester Ranger ammo. For practice we use Winchester white box 124. Should I change my recoil spring out for the heavier +P spring? I’m running the stock spring and am about 5-6k rounds in the gun.
I recall the white box 124 is stout as ball goes but not needing a 15lb spring. If you shoot the duty ammo in high volume you might want to change to the 15lb. Otherwise if it's occasional use of duty ammo, then you could split the difference and just keep the 13lb (stock) spring very fresh at 3k change intervals.
Have you ever tried the wilson combat flat wire 4" spring kit, On the 4.15 staccato or the legacy 4" guns?
I haven't and I don't recommend using anything other than the factory recoil springs on the guns, especially given that the 4.15" is a unique length and there is no reason to change the timing or slide travel as would occur when using flat wire.
@@108Performance Thanks, I don't know about the timing. But I don't think the travel should be necessarily afected. As the Wilson professional models are 4" guns as well, am I wrong on that? Brownells even lists the tactical 4.0 as compatible, and the 9mm spring is 13# also.
@@jindrichstariat5821 I'm telling you in simple terms - DO NOT USE AFTERMARKET SPRINGS in the Staccato. Flat wire springs offer increased slide travel due to being...flat...which then can affect timing. You don't need to attempt to outsmart the gunsmiths at the factory, just run the gun and replace worn springs. You will NOT gain anything from spring swapping.
@@108Performance I get what you meant now. Thanks a lot.
xtreme defender +p 90g gonna be my carry for the staccP, think the factory 13# spring will be 🤘🏼?
Try 13, try 15. See what works and feels better.
Can you use a commander-length one-piece guide rod as a replacement for the Dawson rod? Have you ever known that little lever to break or tie up the gun?
No - the reverse plug is a unique size, and that lever isn’t subjected to any stress. The round counts through guns with these systems is extremely high due to agency testing. No factor.
Does running the 10lb spring in the XC affect the reliability with various ammo weights? I love that I can run 115gr with the xc but hit the slide with my thumb and once kept it from returning to battery. Hoping the 10lb can help this.
Can't say 100% because every gun/ammo combo is unique. XC has an extremely narrow window for ammo/spring/lube/cleanliness.
Can a C2 run 9mm with the heavy spring?
Thank you for this information!
Never had a need or desire, haven’t tried. Depends on ammo.
@@108Performance thank you, I was just curious.
8lb spring in the XL as well?
Whatever the factory site specifies. There’s been no interest or push for the XL in duty use so I haven’t looked at one.
Factory says 7# recoil and 15# mainspring. Both sound light, but that's what they say.
I have a 2020 P that I’m running 880fps 147 grain ammo through and it started having constant stoppages on the second round of the mag (first round is cycled in manually). That same ammo ran fine in it with all but 2 of my mags last year (figured it was the mags). I have to drop the mag, cycle in a new round and it runs the rest of the mag fine, this happens on mags that were 100% reliable before and measure ok. Should I be swapping the lighter spring in? I’m using the normal spring which has about 1,500 rounds on it (if that).
Try the lighter spring and see if it makes any difference. Test each mag at full capacity - insert at slide lock, drop via slide stop. Reference the Feedway Testing video in the 2011 playlist here.
I use the 11# spring on my staccato p and shoots flatter than the factory main
The 11lb is the *recoil* spring and that sure does shoot flatter but may be too light for a lot of factory ammo. The main spring powers the hammer.
@@108Performance I’ll take your word for it, don’t want anything to go wrong