It's really not about cheating for me. It's more that I don't feel the satisfaction and energy that single strokes gives me. But with very high tempo's over longer periods, it makes everything so much more easy. All that matters in music, is what comes out of the speaker's in the end. But I think a lot of heal toe drummers are struggling a little when playing live. The time between the stroke's is easy getting like two strokes from the right foot and a very short break and then two strokes with the left. It's not much, but I believe that during an entire concert I'll be able to tell if the drummer is using heal toe or not. I think it's actually much harder to really master heal toe than people think.
I can tell triggers definitely carry a lot of this. And quantization in recordings. That is why past 2018 fir me all recordings have none of it just got better gear on my pedals and focused on making sure it is tighter. Nowadays I track an album and there might be an off hit kick or something that can be deleted but 99% of the performance is me with only eq
@masterblaster1329 alright I'll tell all my labels that. I mean I don't understand the idea of why I need to practice more when I could be heard over half stacks. And like I said I don't consider it cheating I was giving the explanation of why people consider it that. Because I've heard both sides I played shows where my drums were triggered out I just don't personally own any
@masterblaster1329 lol. Tell me when you have some albums out and people praising your performance. otherwise. yeah I do that daily. what do you do? comment on drum clinc stuff you will never apply to yourself.
@@ShaolinLambKillerdude your most recent drum vid is from 8 years ago and sounds sloppy as fuck from the audio you shouldn’t be talking so much shit about praise and albums out
this is not cheating it is A preference. and everyone is entitled to a different style of using their feet. I use heal toe on my right foot at times when I don't need my left foot. I use my left foot with doubles or heel toe on my hi hat most of the time. When I use both feet on both my bass drum pedals, I'm usually using ankle technique, single strokes. at times, I will use both bass drum pedals with only a heel toe on my right foot with my left foot, adding different types of patterns single stroke. this is only my opinion. And I am sorry if I have offended anybody. I love you.
Playing lighter and basically using triggers to register you even did anything is considered cheating. I dont care. But I always laughed at any death metal drummer that's snare couldn't be heard over the guitars with no mic.
@ShaolinLambKiller so you are upset that an acoustic snare can't match a guitar Amp. Witch is basically triggers for the guitar? They can play softer and it's a fake electronic sound?
@@ShaolinLambKiller The "triggers are cheating" argument is old and stupid. That's like saying an amp is cheating because you should play your acoustic loud enough.. Fucking dumb.
It's cheating if it automatically gives you the skill to achieve the technique and use it flawlessly. Heel Toe is one of the hardest things to learn, but it's also hard NOT to play heel toe when you finally get it locked in your muscle memory.
Agreed I started playing heel toe a year ago when i finally got direct drive-long boards and I love the technique but I do find my feet going to heel toe mode automatically and I have to fight it back now
Double strokes on bass drums are essentially the same things as double strokes with sticks aka the long stroke roll. If the long stroke roll is one of the 13 (or 26) standard rudiments, how can double strokes with pedals be considered cheating. It's just a different technique.
When I try to do sustained double strokes on the kick, it sounds great at like 120-140, but once I get up above 150, the second note on each foot starts to sound really weak. But oddly, if I'm only doing it with one foot I can stay very solid, but as soon as I add in doubles on the other foot, it all goes to hell. Which doesn't really seem to make sense.
Never felt it was cheating just not satisfying to me from doing just heel up and heel down exclusively and changing as I felt. Never focusing on technique just tracking albums.
I don’t get it. What am I missing? This isn’t that pedal that doesn’t double with one press, is it? Are those double strokes on the bump? Weird because I don’t see it.
@@afroloewe it’s not actually the heel of your foot that makes the first hit it’s the ball of your foot followed by your toes. It’s called heel toe because it looks like it’s your heel but it actually isn’t.
Cheating? It’s playing music, not a competition. If heal toe is the man’s personal preference that saves him energy, it’s an intelligent choice on his part.
There is no other option if you want to perform a live show playing this genre of metal drumming. You cannot neglect the need to conserve your energy if you want to play this stuff cleanly at that speed for long durations. It is not cheating at all, this technique is hard asf to master 😂
he can "cheat" all he wants, he is still one of the few drummers that have the balls to play single foot blasts and not complain about conserving energy
I love watching David play, he is the man!! but for me i love the feeling of smashing the shit out my kick drums with single strokes of annihilation!!!! Muhahahaha 🤘🔥
There's no way someone called a legitimate technique "cheating" lmao I can see how a new player might call triggers cheating, but heel toe? Come on, that's just dumb lol
It’s a loose term. Watch any drummer using the technique. Aaron stechauner, Austin archery, Dave mcgraw, Anthony barone, David diepold, etc. very rarely are their entire foot on the board. (I’m a size 11 and my entire foot can’t even fit on my pedals).
How did you do that without raising your heels off the footboards?!? Egadz!
Tension and muscle memory.
A smart Drummer uses there energy in the right places and heal toe def does that. Ty David!
This guy is truly one of the best! Thank you for sharing.
"All is fair in Drums and War.."
We can use double stroke roll with our hands why not with the feet too? I think this is a good technique 👌
It's really not about cheating for me. It's more that I don't feel the satisfaction and energy that single strokes gives me. But with very high tempo's over longer periods, it makes everything so much more easy.
All that matters in music, is what comes out of the speaker's in the end. But I think a lot of heal toe drummers are struggling a little when playing live. The time between the stroke's is easy getting like two strokes from the right foot and a very short break and then two strokes with the left. It's not much, but I believe that during an entire concert I'll be able to tell if the drummer is using heal toe or not.
I think it's actually much harder to really master heal toe than people think.
I can tell triggers definitely carry a lot of this. And quantization in recordings. That is why past 2018 fir me all recordings have none of it just got better gear on my pedals and focused on making sure it is tighter. Nowadays I track an album and there might be an off hit kick or something that can be deleted but 99% of the performance is me with only eq
@masterblaster1329 alright I'll tell all my labels that. I mean I don't understand the idea of why I need to practice more when I could be heard over half stacks. And like I said I don't consider it cheating I was giving the explanation of why people consider it that. Because I've heard both sides I played shows where my drums were triggered out I just don't personally own any
@masterblaster1329 lol. Tell me when you have some albums out and people praising your performance. otherwise. yeah I do that daily. what do you do? comment on drum clinc stuff you will never apply to yourself.
@@ShaolinLambKillerdude your most recent drum vid is from 8 years ago and sounds sloppy as fuck from the audio you shouldn’t be talking so much shit about praise and albums out
One thing that some heel toe players do is overuse fast double bass, as your not limited by your stamina that much. Pretty annoying in some bands imo
this is not cheating
it is A preference.
and everyone is entitled to a different style of using their feet.
I use heal toe on my right foot at times when I don't need my left foot. I use my left foot with doubles or heel toe on my hi hat most of the time.
When I use both feet on both my bass drum pedals, I'm usually using ankle technique, single strokes.
at times, I will use both bass drum pedals with only a heel toe on my right foot with my left foot, adding different types of patterns single stroke.
this is only my opinion.
And I am sorry if I have offended anybody.
I love you.
isnt cheat, pure skill !!
Very versatile and technical drummer! Well done, David.
How do you cheat playing drums? It's an easier technique.
Easy to learn, hard to master.
Playing lighter and basically using triggers to register you even did anything is considered cheating. I dont care. But I always laughed at any death metal drummer that's snare couldn't be heard over the guitars with no mic.
@ShaolinLambKiller so you are upset that an acoustic snare can't match a guitar Amp. Witch is basically triggers for the guitar? They can play softer and it's a fake electronic sound?
@@chaosinception7982 not upset
Just come from a background of you need to hit harder to be heard. Many Many punk shows.
@@ShaolinLambKiller The "triggers are cheating" argument is old and stupid. That's like saying an amp is cheating because you should play your acoustic loud enough.. Fucking dumb.
Gorgeous drumming
It's cheating if it automatically gives you the skill to achieve the technique and use it flawlessly. Heel Toe is one of the hardest things to learn, but it's also hard NOT to play heel toe when you finally get it locked in your muscle memory.
Agreed I started playing heel toe a year ago when i finally got direct drive-long boards and I love the technique but I do find my feet going to heel toe mode automatically and I have to fight it back now
Double strokes on bass drums are essentially the same things as double strokes with sticks aka the long stroke roll. If the long stroke roll is one of the 13 (or 26) standard rudiments, how can double strokes with pedals be considered cheating. It's just a different technique.
When I try to do sustained double strokes on the kick, it sounds great at like 120-140, but once I get up above 150, the second note on each foot starts to sound really weak. But oddly, if I'm only doing it with one foot I can stay very solid, but as soon as I add in doubles on the other foot, it all goes to hell. Which doesn't really seem to make sense.
Never felt it was cheating just not satisfying to me from doing just heel up and heel down exclusively and changing as I felt. Never focusing on technique just tracking albums.
What kick pedals are those?!?!? They look legit!!!
Axis pedals made Nile my favorite band 😎 still wanna buy some for myself to shred on
Are double stokes w/hands cheating?
What triggers is he using?
This guy is a fucking legend
Me gusta tu camiseta david
Heel toe is double hits. Not single!
Exactly. I'm wondering what the fuk he's talking about
If Drumming is cheating using 2 hands 2 feet. Guilty and so are you David 😅🔥🔥🤘🤘
I can’t heel toe for shit. If it’s cheating then I really suck 😭😂
There is no such thing as cheating if it requires skill and practice.
I don’t get it. What am I missing? This isn’t that pedal that doesn’t double with one press, is it? Are those double strokes on the bump? Weird because I don’t see it.
He's playing doubles with each foot, first hit heel, second hit toes, but since David only lifts his heels a tiny amount it's almost unnoticeable
@@afroloewe it’s not actually the heel of your foot that makes the first hit it’s the ball of your foot followed by your toes. It’s called heel toe because it looks like it’s your heel but it actually isn’t.
@@Unknownusername1004toe ball works, too
Cheating? It’s playing music, not a competition. If heal toe is the man’s personal preference that saves him energy, it’s an intelligent choice on his part.
There is no other option if you want to perform a live show playing this genre of metal drumming. You cannot neglect the need to conserve your energy if you want to play this stuff cleanly at that speed for long durations.
It is not cheating at all, this technique is hard asf to master 😂
Anyone who says triggers or heal toe is cheating doesnt play Drums..Or theyre Jelly. CAUSE we all know Dave is a real 1
How can you be so chill when blasting the crap out of the kit??
he can "cheat" all he wants, he is still one of the few drummers that have the balls to play single foot blasts and not complain about conserving energy
Cheating or not, he´s still on control!!!
can you show it slowly😅?
Cheating is what the haters gfs do
I love watching David play, he is the man!! but for me i love the feeling of smashing the shit out my kick drums with single strokes of annihilation!!!! Muhahahaha 🤘🔥
It’s not cheating at all. In my personal opinion it’s the most practical double bass technique in extreme metal drumming.
It’s a technique. Not cheating
I wouldnt call it cheating because you still need to practice the technique
Shorts!
Menurut ku ada sedikit curang sih 😅
There's no way someone called a legitimate technique "cheating" lmao I can see how a new player might call triggers cheating, but heel toe? Come on, that's just dumb lol
There's no cheating in playing music, Except pretending to play.
No
I cant even see the kicks... Wth is going on here 😅😅😅
Just remember I was comment 46 when you are famous!
“Cheating” lol
Because drumming is a school exam?
😂
Lol that isn't heel toe technique
Well, what is it?
@@sedatedsith Not heel toe
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 You painted a vivid description with your words. Thank you.
@@sedatedsith Heel toe is going from heel to toe
.this ain't it
It’s a loose term. Watch any drummer using the technique. Aaron stechauner, Austin archery, Dave mcgraw, Anthony barone, David diepold, etc. very rarely are their entire foot on the board. (I’m a size 11 and my entire foot can’t even fit on my pedals).