c2c's BRAND NEW Class 720 Trains - A NEEDED Upgrade!
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- A much requested video this week and one I've been wanting to do for ages since they began testing - a ride on board c2c's BRAND NEW trains! 12 of these Class 720/6 units entered service with c2c at the end of September to strengthen the operator's services between London and the Essex Coast during peak hours, and will soon be doing limited off-peak workings too. So what makes these trains an improvement to c2c's legacy fleet? Find out in this video!
Journey details:
Date of travel - October 2023
Operator - c2c Rail
Train - Class 720/6 "Aventra"
Origin - London Fenchurch Street
Destination - Southend Central
Price - £13.82/€16.00/$16.94 (Anytime day return including Railcard discount of 1/3)
Journey time - 52 minutes
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🎉I used to work at East Ham depot, i was a fitter there, servicing the 302s 305s 308s 310 and 312s from 1981 to 1998. The trains then were true workhorses and easy to service and repair. Each one had its own character, smell and sound as if it was alive. I would hate to work on these.
The nearly universal 3 + 2 seating layout on the Greater Anglia trains is a madness. Who at these companies (and is paid a generous salary) actually passes such a decision?
Yea, c2c's usual fleet has a whole designated Quiet Carriage as one of every 4 cars, but with the total absence of c2c onboard staff and also a local culture that isn’t known for being quiet and restrained, these existing Quiet Zones are really ineffective. Sorry for negative stuff😂but having done so much south Essex travelling over the years, I need to vent.
the 3+2 is only trains out of LST, the rest of the network (norfolk, suffolk, cambridgeshire and essex) use flirts with 2+2 seating and tables (and 2+1 first class on intercity)
Walking down a 720 at peak times is like trying to live out a Flat Stanley book
My remaining memory of travelling from Fenchurch Street to Southend, last summer (2022), at soon after 10 o’clock on two consecutive nights was how busy the trains got and on both nights someone vomited in the carriage I was in!! I expect that’s why they don’t have carpeted trains! 😂
small note about GA's 720s, they are designated as 44x 720/1s and the rest 720/5. this is due to the original order being 22x 10-coach 720/1s, but being changed to all 5-coach. the old numbering is kept from this (likely due to ease)
as far as i can tell, theres no technical differences between the two GA subclasses.
It's funny how you say that c2c is one of the only rail operators that don't have e-tickets, but with the government's "expanded contactless zone", will cover the entire c2c network to Shoeburyness.
Lol, Oyster cards are turning into dinosaur technology already. And there only 20 years old🫢
Oyster is timeless at least integrate it nationwide like Netherlands b4 saying it's outdated.
@@taipizzalord4463 Oyster cards run on 4 bit technology, so we can’t have oyster out in burm for example
@@ashleyjiscool And? You don't need an advanced chip to make this work. I would expect this pitch from a tech startup who is offering some service in exchange for data farming users travel data b4 before being bought up by Amazon or Alphabet.
@@taipizzalord4463 to put this in perspective, the first mario game had 8 bits. 4 bits means it can only have 15 zones
You mentioned the c2c route follows the dlr route
The dlr runs over former c2c trackbed (when it was london tilbury and southend) which were handed over in the 1980s
1:05 felt like a an attack when I was a kid, Penn station used to be all underground and we used to commute via subway to get donuts at the only Krispy Kreme in the city when I went back to visit last year, it is no longer underground. They use the old mail office across the street and turn it into a big station house with Glass ceiling I was so surprised 😯 to see the area in different aspect because when I was leaving, it was so much construction
A step up for sure the LTS line used to be called the misery line for good reason
To think I can remember the old slam door 302 310/12 units and remember the 357 when they came in
Please do a review onboard the RENFE AVE S102 Talgo pato and the Alvia S730 from Madrid to Extremadura. Good video, I am subscribed to your channel. Happy New year
I don't get why it isnt 2 plus 2 seating all the way down
I still haven't got on one of these from Stanford yet, will keep trying!
Have to say I'm not too fussed about the 720s. The seats on the 357s are comfier but the 720s have charging ports, aside from that everything else is pretty incidental. If my phone's charged I'd rather have a 357 turn up any day.
About the 2+3 seating, apparently Greater Anglia and Alstom/Bombardier did a poll asking passengers what they wanted from their Aventras and the most popular feature they wanted was as many seats as possible. So while it might seem like a nightmare to walk through those 2+3 sections it is what their customers wanted so I don't necessarily fault the TOC's for that.
I don’t think they wanted such narrow isles though
@@andrewreynolds4949 Difficult, with deletion of the "elastic-sided train" manufacturing option? Can a wheelchair get through the narrow aisles in the 2+3 sections?
@@mikehindson-evans159 From what I've heard online, it's difficult for someone with a backpack or just a large figure to squeeze through, let alone a wheelchair
Brilliant 👍
The current 357s are showing their age with toilets frequently out of use and no charging points.
Will be very pleased one day when they're all gone, meanwhile as a whole the service is much more reliable than other TOCs.
How dare you
357 are due for upgrade sometime this year
Glad to hear the 357’s are getting a refurbishment.
These trains seem nice but i never rode one ill ride one when i have the chance. You should try th class 730 aventra it got released a couple weeks ago
Nice video, thanks for sharing.
Hard seats, seats next to blank panels, longitudinal tip-up seats in the 720s....and everybody calls this an 'upgrade' or huge improvement?
Give me a more comfortable Class 357 any day.
Comfort matters in my book (as one who has campaigned and won against hard seats on public transport in the past), even on a commuter journey and not one video I've seen on the 720s recognises the far superior seat comfort of the 357s over the 720s, every one oooh-ing and ahhhh-ing over charging points and info displays: yes, better in those respects, but the all-important seat standards - not a word.
The new trains being 'desperately needed due to the state of the 357s' says much more about poor maintenance standards (noticeably less good since Trenitalia took over) on c2c than the trains themselves.
The 357s were good enough after their initial horrendous failures (when next to Underground stock in the main) were sorted, but are now grubby inside and out and the lack of attention to repairing faults is very evident, but that doesn't mean 720s are that much better, it means they're new and haven't yet suffered from the same standards of upkeep.
Thanks for your in-depth review. in my opinion, you’re the second award-winning train and bus journalist.
3+2 seating on the 720s is truly abominable
Great video mate. I do like the c2c 720s they look sleek and very modern but they only run Fenchurch Street Shoeburyness via Laindon not via Grays and Tilbury.
You're videos get better every week mate! Loving the B roll footage of the 720s on the viaduct into Fenchurch St. I still think our 730s will be the best Aventura of the lot.
Lobe your videos I had a journey idea for you. Review class 91 (intercity 225) first class or standard class
they tested these on the WCML, they were often seen at Stafford station in Staffordshire.
Those 2+3 seating areas are awful... whose idea was that?
Magenta? Looks like grey to me.
The fact that these trains actually work pisses me off cos they are aventras
I hate the bright lights iun the cars.
Always ONE !!! Moan moan moan !!! 🙄🙄 they are LED LIGHTS!!!
Can you please try out the 730's one day? That'll be awesome.
Those are worse than the 720s
I've not tried them out yet but I will soon and see if you're correct or not.
👍👍👍🙌🙌🙌👌👏👍👍
I thought that 720s had level boarding, like in Greater Anglia trains.
745 and 755 have level boarding
No those are the 745 and 755 Stadler FLIRTs.
Haven't been on one yet.
Good trains and definitely a much needed improvement over the old ones which really do need completely replacing now.
I always think of what could have been though as c2c always strikes me as such a wasted opportunity. In my eyes, CrossRail really should have diverted and taken over the c2c routes after Stratford rather than heading to Shenfield. That would have allowed a very tired and unloved Fenchurch Street station to close and for Tower Gateway DLR station to close with all services diverting to Bank.
Give the old trains a heavy overhaul maybe, but I doubt they need replacing yet
@@andrewreynolds4949Thou what is wrong with the 357 trains?
@@konyctg General wear from use. It's not unusual to give units an overhaul program at this point in their life
Did you just say a needed upgrade?
We don’t need these things
the 357s can easy handle the work
Just need a refurbishment programme, but otherwise solid and reliable trains
I commute on Greater Anglia & I can truly say I hate the 720s. I have also been on a c2c 720 & I personally feel they are a downgrade from the 357s & even the 387s we used to have 😔
Why?
The seating isn’t comfortable. The layout is poor, limited luggage storage and very rattling at speed. The 357’s just needed a refurbishment programme.
Hardest Train Seats Ever Sat on
Not as good as original C2C Train
If you want to see how trains should be, you need to go to Japan!
Shame there are no class 357s there
yay c2c doesnt have noob trains (scr)
correción: they still do but they have 720/6s too
they still do have 357s tho?
@@MatStuff yes thry do, i wrote 'correction: they still do but they have 720/6 too'
absolutely idiotic that c2c don't do eTickets...
I’m not a fan of these new trains. The folding seats which are the designated cycle and wheelchair/pushchair storage area often have people without cycles, wheelchairs or pushchairs sitting in them. When you ask these people to move so you can park your bike etc it’s like you’ve called their mum a name and thrown shit at them.
that’s not the trains fault though, it’s whoever sits in the designated seats
@@357account - didn’t say it was the trains fault. Said I wasn’t a fan of them and gave a reason why. The 357’s have better storage behind the seats at either end of each carriage.
You can't beat the Thames link wide bodied trains