In my opinion… yes. If a movie doesn’t get my attention within 20 minutes, makes me nod off half way through then its boring. I saw Monkey Man and while It takes a while to get going there are moments where I was bored when there was no action. Not to say its a bad movie but part of it might have to be due to short attention spans
I didn't love Dune, didn't do a lot for me, but i rewatched it before 2 and had about the same feeling, went and saw 2 and it was amazing, it all clicked together perfectly and i loved every minute of it
I think you got it right. Boring is certainly an opinion, but not really a criticism. You can start at boring, but without stating why, there's not much there beyond opinion. As for Dune, it's a hero's journey where the hero turns out to be a tyrant. If that sounds interesting to you, check out Dune 2. If not, I wouldn't bother. Especially since you didn't like the first one.
@@LetsCrashThisParadeI suspect that's why people liked the second one better. The book definitely went harder than the movie in that regard, but Dune 2 still kept with the overall theme of "charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label".
65 is honestly the blockbuster I had the worst time with in the last 5-10 years. I thought it was atrocious and a large part of that is because I found it incredibly boring. I think boring is very subjective (its a common criticism of the first SAW movie these days) but I think it ~can~ be valid if it's not used as a synonym for something like 'slow-paced' or 'too much talking not enough action or other reductive and dismissive criticisms. For example, I also found Fast X to be quite boring because I felt disconnected from the characters and the stakes and the CGI wasn't up to par so even the action felt low stakes. You covered your distaste for action later in the video and while I'm not as averse to it as you, I definitely see where you're coming from and agree with you for the most part. If the action isn't informing character or plot and it doesn't look real then I'm not super interested in it unless it goes super crazy. I hate action scenes that feel like I could skip them and lose nothing of importance which is a massive problem I have with the MCU and in particular the MCU Spidey films, the Raimi and Webb movies used the action to convey character depth and storytelling where I feel like I'm only missing out on some jokes if I fast forward through a lot of the later MCU fight scenes. I found the Dune movies disappointing. I'm a massive fan of Blade Runner 2049 but I think every criticism I've seen of that movie I've always disagreed with is actually true of the Dune movies. I found the two Dune movies lacked any characters to properly latch onto and the plot isn't anything we haven't seen before. People say the plot criticism is banned because Dune is the inspiration for a lot of those other stories and I think that's somewhat true for the book but the movies sort of fail to justify themselves in my opinion. I figured I was the one in the wrong with the insanely positive reaction to Dune Part 2 but I feel like it's almost more like a meme than a serious adoration of the film. The sets, costumes, CGI, cinematography and acting were all great but I felt that the movie wasn't letting me connect with it to care about it beyond spectacle and while spectacle can be enough for some movies it wasn't enough for me to love 5+ hours of Dune. Hard disagree on LOTR though, that shit slaps hard as hell. The biggest difference between LOTR and those young adult franchises to me is the depth of character and themes. To me they work as an adaptation of novels in the exact way I feel Dune fails, in that it's really focused on character and theme rather than sheer plot, which would be a very easy trap to fall into with so much source material. The fight scenes also go hard, still some of the best medieval style war scenes in film IMO. I do love Twilight though, particularly the first movie. I also struggle with older and B&W movies but I feel that's more ADHD/personal failing in my case than a genuine distaste. My tolerance for it has increased as I've aged (I think I'm about a year older than you) but I still don't really like the first Halloween, which is probably my guiltiest horror admission. I personally really struggle with long running anime, it's something all my friends were into back in high school and I always wished I could be into them but I found myself getting bored.
Yeah I found Dune boring as well, just could Not connect to this world and characters. I think boring is also kind of subjective, for me a movie like Snatch is boring, because everything feels possible, but other people like it…
Dune is boring. But my best example is the movie See How They Run with Sam Rockwell and Saoirse Ronan. The trailer looked so funny, but the movie is boring as hell and actually put me to sleep in the theater. Boring is very valid.
It depends…if the film is slow but delays with deep issues and stirs up an experience in the viewer then it’s a reductionist view to call it boring. More and more I’m drawn towards great cinematography and worthy themes vs banal “action” Life goes to fast and I’m enjoying “slow cinema” more and more.
Dune is one of the most boring movie I have ever seen. Boring is absolutely valid criticism. If a movie doesn’t entertain me it’s subjectively bad. I don’t need to be someone who studied filmmaking to justify my taste. No need to beat around the bush mate.
There are plenty of well known and respected movie critics who flatly call out movies for being boring. So, in that respect you're in good company. It's interesting that you lump in Dune and Lord of the Rings with things like the Hunger Games and The Maze Runner. Perhaps you're just not connecting with the material because of the remove from some kind of grounding in reality. Superhero films at least are set in the modern age and give the audience a setting they can relate to. You said yourself that Black Mirror is something you can actually relate to and those stories are just a fractional step beyond our current world. Lord of the Rings and Dune necessarily force the viewer into a completely different environment, social structure, poetics of language, and cultures that can feel like a huge hurdle. I know that it took me three times to read and understand Dune after first picking it up. Even now there are parts of it that I will probably understand better now that I'm older and have more of context for where that story was coming from. Denis Villeneuve's Dune 1 was a very slow and methodically paced (plodding even) film. And I think that was intentional to give the audience time to immerse and acclimate themselves in the setting. While I haven't seen part 2 I hear it's much faster paced because all of that setup was done with the first film. So now we can just move the plot forward. I've learned that when David Lynch's Dune came out in the 80's that they had to shove in a ton of voiceovers to explain to audiences what the hell was happening, but the studios also handed out glossaries at the ticket counters so that they would understand what all the jargon meant. That kind of impenetrable setting can really turn people off. As for why LOTR and Dune are more lauded than Hunger Games and Maze Runner it mostly just comes down to quality. This is not meant to disparage the writers of those series, they are fine and much cherished by their fans. But there is definitely a dramatic difference in the quality of the writing between them that speaks to different people. Lord of the Rings is a much more academic read than the Narnia books, and that was intentional. Each author is going for something completely different. Suzanne Collins wasn't building Panem with layers and layers of worldbuilding from the creation of time itself. But that wasn't her intention either. There really is a qualitative distinction between these kinds of books and films and the audiences they're speaking to.
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Calling a movie boring with nothing behind it… now that’s boring criticism. Great video 🤙🏽
Great content mate, well done 😎
In my opinion… yes. If a movie doesn’t get my attention within 20 minutes, makes me nod off half way through then its boring. I saw Monkey Man and while It takes a while to get going there are moments where I was bored when there was no action. Not to say its a bad movie but part of it might have to be due to short attention spans
I didn't love Dune, didn't do a lot for me, but i rewatched it before 2 and had about the same feeling, went and saw 2 and it was amazing, it all clicked together perfectly and i loved every minute of it
I think you got it right. Boring is certainly an opinion, but not really a criticism. You can start at boring, but without stating why, there's not much there beyond opinion.
As for Dune, it's a hero's journey where the hero turns out to be a tyrant. If that sounds interesting to you, check out Dune 2. If not, I wouldn't bother. Especially since you didn't like the first one.
Yeah I hear he goes bad... Which I hate to say DOES interest me 🤣
@@LetsCrashThisParadeI suspect that's why people liked the second one better. The book definitely went harder than the movie in that regard, but Dune 2 still kept with the overall theme of "charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label".
Definitely get where your coming from I feel the same
65 is honestly the blockbuster I had the worst time with in the last 5-10 years. I thought it was atrocious and a large part of that is because I found it incredibly boring. I think boring is very subjective (its a common criticism of the first SAW movie these days) but I think it ~can~ be valid if it's not used as a synonym for something like 'slow-paced' or 'too much talking not enough action or other reductive and dismissive criticisms. For example, I also found Fast X to be quite boring because I felt disconnected from the characters and the stakes and the CGI wasn't up to par so even the action felt low stakes. You covered your distaste for action later in the video and while I'm not as averse to it as you, I definitely see where you're coming from and agree with you for the most part. If the action isn't informing character or plot and it doesn't look real then I'm not super interested in it unless it goes super crazy. I hate action scenes that feel like I could skip them and lose nothing of importance which is a massive problem I have with the MCU and in particular the MCU Spidey films, the Raimi and Webb movies used the action to convey character depth and storytelling where I feel like I'm only missing out on some jokes if I fast forward through a lot of the later MCU fight scenes.
I found the Dune movies disappointing. I'm a massive fan of Blade Runner 2049 but I think every criticism I've seen of that movie I've always disagreed with is actually true of the Dune movies. I found the two Dune movies lacked any characters to properly latch onto and the plot isn't anything we haven't seen before. People say the plot criticism is banned because Dune is the inspiration for a lot of those other stories and I think that's somewhat true for the book but the movies sort of fail to justify themselves in my opinion. I figured I was the one in the wrong with the insanely positive reaction to Dune Part 2 but I feel like it's almost more like a meme than a serious adoration of the film. The sets, costumes, CGI, cinematography and acting were all great but I felt that the movie wasn't letting me connect with it to care about it beyond spectacle and while spectacle can be enough for some movies it wasn't enough for me to love 5+ hours of Dune.
Hard disagree on LOTR though, that shit slaps hard as hell. The biggest difference between LOTR and those young adult franchises to me is the depth of character and themes. To me they work as an adaptation of novels in the exact way I feel Dune fails, in that it's really focused on character and theme rather than sheer plot, which would be a very easy trap to fall into with so much source material. The fight scenes also go hard, still some of the best medieval style war scenes in film IMO. I do love Twilight though, particularly the first movie.
I also struggle with older and B&W movies but I feel that's more ADHD/personal failing in my case than a genuine distaste. My tolerance for it has increased as I've aged (I think I'm about a year older than you) but I still don't really like the first Halloween, which is probably my guiltiest horror admission. I personally really struggle with long running anime, it's something all my friends were into back in high school and I always wished I could be into them but I found myself getting bored.
Yeah I found Dune boring as well, just could Not connect to this world and characters.
I think boring is also kind of subjective, for me a movie like Snatch is boring, because everything feels possible, but other people like it…
Dune is boring. But my best example is the movie See How They Run with Sam Rockwell and Saoirse Ronan. The trailer looked so funny, but the movie is boring as hell and actually put me to sleep in the theater.
Boring is very valid.
It depends…if the film is slow but delays with deep issues and stirs up an experience in the viewer then it’s a reductionist view to call it boring. More and more I’m drawn towards great cinematography and worthy themes vs banal “action”
Life goes to fast and I’m enjoying “slow cinema” more and more.
I don't agree with your tastes at all, but thank christ for people who know how to both argue their point and also make a quality video.
All the Star Trek movies before the JJAbrahams reboot are boring. I can’t take Shatner serious
Dune is one of the most boring movie I have ever seen. Boring is absolutely valid criticism. If a movie doesn’t entertain me it’s subjectively bad. I don’t need to be someone who studied filmmaking to justify my taste. No need to beat around the bush mate.
There are plenty of well known and respected movie critics who flatly call out movies for being boring. So, in that respect you're in good company. It's interesting that you lump in Dune and Lord of the Rings with things like the Hunger Games and The Maze Runner. Perhaps you're just not connecting with the material because of the remove from some kind of grounding in reality. Superhero films at least are set in the modern age and give the audience a setting they can relate to. You said yourself that Black Mirror is something you can actually relate to and those stories are just a fractional step beyond our current world. Lord of the Rings and Dune necessarily force the viewer into a completely different environment, social structure, poetics of language, and cultures that can feel like a huge hurdle. I know that it took me three times to read and understand Dune after first picking it up. Even now there are parts of it that I will probably understand better now that I'm older and have more of context for where that story was coming from. Denis Villeneuve's Dune 1 was a very slow and methodically paced (plodding even) film. And I think that was intentional to give the audience time to immerse and acclimate themselves in the setting. While I haven't seen part 2 I hear it's much faster paced because all of that setup was done with the first film. So now we can just move the plot forward. I've learned that when David Lynch's Dune came out in the 80's that they had to shove in a ton of voiceovers to explain to audiences what the hell was happening, but the studios also handed out glossaries at the ticket counters so that they would understand what all the jargon meant. That kind of impenetrable setting can really turn people off. As for why LOTR and Dune are more lauded than Hunger Games and Maze Runner it mostly just comes down to quality. This is not meant to disparage the writers of those series, they are fine and much cherished by their fans. But there is definitely a dramatic difference in the quality of the writing between them that speaks to different people. Lord of the Rings is a much more academic read than the Narnia books, and that was intentional. Each author is going for something completely different. Suzanne Collins wasn't building Panem with layers and layers of worldbuilding from the creation of time itself. But that wasn't her intention either. There really is a qualitative distinction between these kinds of books and films and the audiences they're speaking to.
I found the Dune movies boring and overrated
Boring is valid. If a film isnt interesting and has hardly any substance, it's worth calling out
Interesting is very subjective.