Matt is right. I’ve been test driving the sportage and Sorento GT diesel line and a bunch of others in this segment (Mazda cx 60 high end, Tucson and Santa Fe high end, Audi q5, Volvo XC40), and I’ve come to the conclusion that Kia are definitely greater bang for buck as an urban family SUV. They’re incredibly modern on the inside and safety features, making for an interesting, fun drive. It is super spacious. Powerful engine. Easy car to drive. Great drive over bumps and uneven roads. GT diesel is definitely the way to go.
Nice review. Ordered an SX+ diesel two months ago with an estimated delivery of late December. Hoping it's no longer.... Seems to be a lot of Tuscon's around at the moment, so obviously their stock levels are improving.
It even in Dawning Red, the same as your test car. The GT line is a great spec, blind spot screen on dash is great for me , having problems with my neck.
Hi Matt, Great honest review again. I am a Mazda fan and love their design language. So I was not really sold on the looks even with GT Line interior - all black everywhere on screen and black seats looked dull and ordinary. But the CX-5 doesn't offer the same tech, safety and space as Sportage. (also looked at the CX-60 which has stunning interior but it is not so good in other aspects of space etc). So probably going with Kia Sportage Turbo Diesel GT Line. However some reviews say that Kia Sportage is dangerous in wet conditions. Did you find it unsafe in stormy/wet conditions?
Hi Mat great review i have test drove just about everything in the mid size market love the sportage drove the 2lt petrol sx+ and the diesel love the diesel much better car to drive only thing is i didn't want a diesel as not doing many kms a week after all that we ended up with going subaru outback what a great car to drive thanks Mark
If you’re only going short trips you might find a petrol to be better. The diesel has a particulate filter and will require some high speed driving occasionally.
You bet your backside. As soon as I can! But they haven’t done an official launch event yet. If I can get there, I’ll be doing a detailed review as soon as it’s possible.
Great !! Confused between Corolla Cross GXL and CRV VTi X. The US version looks great. But couldn't find any good comprehensive review. Your say will play a role.
No pressure…! Haha. I think you’re likely to be able to get a CR-V sooner than a Corolla Cross. And if you need a bigger boot and back seat, then the Honda has it from the get go. But let’s see what it’s like…!
Hiya. Just found your Chanel! Great info. I’m tossing up with standard petrol Sportage and a Subaru Forester. I like the forester AWD but prefer the Sportage interior. Thoughts? Not a long distance driver and don’t do many kms. Would love your opinion
Thanks for that! The base petrol Sportage is a bit lethargic but it’s not like the Forester is fast…! I think unless you’re actually going to need the AWD of the Forester, then go for the Sportage as you like its interior more, and that’s where you spend your time after all! Hope that helps. Thanks Matt
My selection preferences in order are - looks, technology, and comfort. I want to love Rav4, but Kia and Hyundai are at the top in the technology department. I would choose manual hybrid any day if available (yes this setup is available in Tucson in some countries).
I'm sure you'll find something out there with a more detailed run-through. Or ask the dealership. I simply have too much to cover in a review to dedicate 10 mins to dash content (you're not the first to ask, though!) Thanks
Ordered a 2.0 Diesel GT-Line last month. Estimated delivery June/July 2024, so that's sort of a one year wait. Liked it more than the equivalent Hyundai due to some small differences, such as the gear lever selection, the fantastic wrap around dashboard, and the 7 year warranty. Oh - and the blind spot monitoring where it shows what's next to you in a camera on the dash is fantastic. The Hyundai has a better looking front end, but I like the rear of the Kia better. BTW - Kia did Australian suspension testing/tuning. Hyundai did not. I couldn't tell much ride difference between them...
Youre seriously waiting a year on a car? You know theres a new one coming out next year right? Because Kia believes people change cars like smartphones.
i shopped both, you will hate the hyundai infotainment, looks good new, 5 minutes down he road its full of dust and fingerprints (lots of gloss black too), you cant read the screen and you have to constantly wipe it with a cloth. terrible design. go the kia.,
Hey Greg. I’d probably choose the Tucson, because I like the look of it (with the N Line pack). I also like the driving manners in it just a bit more. However, the extra two years of warranty and the slightly lower price point seems very convincing in favour of the Kia.
@@gregy1194 - I was in the same position recently, looking at the Tuscon Elite N-Line AWD with turbo petrol / DCT and the equiv Kia Sportage SX+ turbo petrol / DCT AWD, both were on a wait list around 6 to 8 months (or longer) and both could not be lock in pricing. Again buy on "needs" not "wants", the 1.6L turbo petrol i4 actually is very good shame its connected to a an absolute dog of a transmission, what the heck are Hyundai and KIA thinking still using this awful DCT junk, hell it makes the CVT that Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi use seem so much more refined and almost "torque converter like". I ended up spending a bit more than I really needed to but did end up with the X-Trail Ti AWD 2.5L i4 NA petrol with CVT, Matt is not a fan of the ride, but for me coming from the Escape ST-Line with its much firmer stiffer suspension and heavier steering the X-Trail even on 19 by 7.5 wide allows (235/55/19) is so much better SAVE for the too light steering at parking speeds, that said the steering does firm up at motorway and highway speeds which is nice even if feel is at a minimum (again compared to what I was used to in the Escape ST-LIne AWD I previously owned).
"Shorty Sporty" ha! Ill add in my personal favorite "Shortage"(with an accent on the a for emphasis). Anyway i agree the NA petrol is anemic and ineffecient for what it is, the diesel however I find smokes quite profusely after a few years and the turbo petrol is just too expensive and mated to that crap DCT. Anyone looking at this note that there is a new one coming soon so the threat of accelerated depreceation is quite real.
Nice review. I just wish the base petrol was slightly more powerful. The dual clutch in the petrol turbo is awful and I don’t like diesels for city driving (dpf problems). Shame - really nice driving suv
Just rewriting this as my earlier version was on mobile and was full of grammar errors. I should note that I recently purchased a vehicle in this market segment and did extensive test drives for 10 vehicles. The Sportage is great in SX+ Plus trim(2nd from top line GT-Line trim), in FWD it comes has the (subjective) dangerous 2L NA i4 petrol (onky saving grace is that its MPEFI) which is underpowered for a vehicle with a potential kerb weight of 1,600kg but does have (objective) an 8-speed torque converter which has well spaced gears with a good final drive ratio. Looks are subjective inside and out, to me the single sweep dashboard/infotainment screen is not that good also the capacitive touch buttons for HVAC/Infotainment are just bleh, capacitive touch is nowhere near as good as physical buttons/dials/switches , and piano black eyerwhere else? WHYYYYYY KIA WHY, SMH. To me I I felt the interior space was cramped (smaller than my pervious vehicle which was the ZG Escape) and seats were not comfortable and passenger seat was higher than driver seat (WHY???) Props to KIA for full size spare. What would I have chosen if I purchased KIA Sportage? SX+ with turbo petrol / DCT* and AWD, somewhere around the (NSW) $47,800 range but there was a quoted time frame of 6 to 8 months wait and KIA can't guarantee that prices wont rise or that a new updated model will be released during that time frame with less features for a higher price (re: Toyota). * this is not the ideal transmission however in turbo petrol mode you don't have a choice, yes I know there is turbo diesel with the very good 8 speed torque converter however not everyone wants turbo diesel.
Wow you just wrote all that for the sake of practicing to sound very intelligent?. Even test drove all 10 vehicles in the segment & then chose that🤭, I don't think you test drove anything except what you got?.
@@therightcarthats a shame but I can see why, the Ignis is like the red headed stepchild of the Suzuki lineup right now globally. This model has had no substantial updates since it was revived in 2016. Just about every model(short of the Carry and APV of course) have had work done since that period and there are no plans to faacelift it.
SX plus turbo diesel would be my pick. The only thing that would stop me would be the ugly exterior design. Hope that is changed next model. In medium SUV,s my pick would be a Mazda MX5 Turbo petrol. 😊
The drivetrain choices are really bad for this SUV. What it needs is a FWD 1.6 turbo with 8 speed torque converter auto. I don’t want a diesel, DCT, or AWD.
Absolutely! I wish both Tucson and Sportage had a 2.5 NA engine . I had to make do with the 2.0 NA for Tucson because I do not do a lot of highway miles for the diesel and DCT is trash. RAV4 is just out of stock everywhere and CX-5 just looks dated at this point.
Im keen for the hybrid version of the Tucson/Sportage variants, only for the torque converter transmission. The New seltos and kona have this transmission with the 1.6t, and i feel this will be updated ditching the DSG. Which makes sense as i have heard the diesel may not continue in favour of hybrid like the new santa fe. Fingers crossed.
Comparing the KIA Sportage with Rav4 or Tucson is not realistic. For getting the same hybrid & extra features to the other cars like KIAs you will have to spend 8K euros more which for me is a deal breaker. KIA Sportage has a more realistic selling price.
Hey Matt! So I did it, I bought myself a Demo MY22 Skoda Karoq 110TSI Style in Brilliant Silver, povo base spec with no options. Bought it from the Skoda dealer in Gosford (NSW) and it'll take roughly 3 weeks to get to me in Adelaide (Prixcar - transport). It's a May 2022 build, first registered in March 2023 and only has 310km on the odometer. New car warranty until 2030. Saved myself roughly $9K on the vehicles selling price, if I bought the same vehicle in Adelaide! Crazy! I'm pretty sure the Sportage is a bigger vehicle overall than the Karoq, but I take comfort in knowing the Karoq has a bigger boot and is more practical, especially when you consider the Karoq has the flexible rear seating arrangement (VarioFlex seating system) and is a better drive, depending on the spec of the Sportage. Would you consider the Sportage 2.0L SX+ Auto FWD petrol or Sportage 1.6L Turbo SX+ AWD petrol to be the Karoq's competitor? Also, would I be right in saying that there were times in the review that you seemed a little .... 'ho-hum' with your time with this particular Sportage variant??
Nice one! That’s a good buy, I reckon, so well done to you. I just drove the Karoq last week - and annoyingly the version I drove had more than $10,000 of options, which pushed it up to Audi Q2 or VW Tiguan pricing. The Karoq is a very practical thing if you plan to move those seats around and consider it is so much smaller than the Sportage.
Well, if it changes your mind, the RUclips ad feed helps me make a living - and I have no control over ads that you see. But if you really hate ads you can go RUclips Premium!
Hopefully Kia will ditch that horrible DCT !!!! Expecting 2025 SX+ will come with a 1.6 T AWD with 8 speed torque converter. That will be the sweet spot tbh!!
No where did you say your post was Hyunda vs Kia service cost. What is service cost vs every onther manufacturer? BTW, here is what I found on Kia vs Hundai service cost" So your post is based on a couple dollars: Kia has an average repair and maintenance cost of $474. This is higher than Hyundai, which has an average annual repair and maintenance cost of $468. The differences are not much, as you might tend to incur high charges from different dealers.
Here is somehting else I found: As an accessible brand with high-reliability ratings, Kias tend to be significantly cheaper to maintain than the average automobile, with an annual repair cost of around $474-far less than the average vehicle maintenance cost of $652.
@@mrz1281 - bzzzzt wrong, as a T33 MY23 X-Trail Ti owner I can 100% say it has a 2.5L NA petrol i4 which all the current tech like DOHC DVCT Direct Injection (would actually prefer MPEFI but what can you do) with a heavily revised CVT which now features "phantom shift" so it feels like a torque converter. The Outlander in MY22/3 spec has the same petrol/CVT combo, spend a bit more to go AWD which also offers more "drive modes" but the advantage is superior traction in all conditions.
@@351tgvPhantom Shift sounds entirely stupid, its either you have a CVT or you dont, trying to be both just increases the price for the consumer with not real tangible benefit.
Only problem with Kia is their engines. They just granade double the speed compared to Japanese cars. Problem goes away with EVs eventually but I would like them to buy Engines from Toyota or Honda. This just too much of drag to their reputation. Also their engines don't have enough power. Best they can do is 265HP from plugin hybrid when similar costing EVs can have north of 400hp. Makses no sense. I would put the 200hp EV motor to rear of plugins to fix the power issue. Of course everything has to be cheap but rav4 prime is very old model and still superior system compared to what Kia can do now.
I bought a 2014 Hyundai i30 with the 1.8 litre petrol engine. It had a faulty timing chain tensioner at 38,000km. It was going to be an $1,800 job to strip down the engine to replace the tensioner, chain and chain guides. The car was already six years old when I bought it privately, so I had no comeback with Hyundai. Ended up trading it in for a Toyota. This is one of the infamous Hyundai engines (the "NU" series - same series as the 2.0 petrol engine that's still used in many Kias and Hyundais) that was subject to a class action lawsuit in the USA.
yeah Kia/Hyundai o their NA petrol engines have switched from direct injection back to good ol MPEFL (in sequential format), it still gives them euro 5 but at the same time allows for better engine reliability which using 91 RON. Granted the engines have lost torque and top end power but the trade off is less fires and brake down down the line.
@@351tgvThe "NU" engine never had direct injection and that's the series that had bottom end issues (piston slap, etc.). The direct injection engines had their own set of issues. I simply wouldn't risk buying a Korean car again with an internal combustion engine, as the Hyundai/Kia engine saga has shown they're prepared to sweep a problem under the rug for years and years and then deny responsibility when the problems come to light.
@@corkeymonster - well I know the previous gen Tucson and Sportage did have NA direct injected engines, so not sure which "family line" they were but their HQ decided to go back to NA MPEFI, I did write something about the turbo petrol engines but that is another story.
what trim grade? since you did not specify I will go with base / fleet special for both: Outlander has 2.5L Direct Injected i4 NA petrol with CVT (with 8 step ratios) FWD Sportage has a 2.0L MPEFI i4 NA petrol with 6-speed torque converter FWD Off the bat styling is subjective for exterior and interior, so leave that to you for that. Both offer nearly everything in terms of passive and active safety Outlander offers 5+2 seat option also the middle row seats slide to extend or shorten space as needed, Sportage is 5 seater only fixed middle row, Sportage passenger seat is taller than the driver seat (which is frustrating for the passenger who wants to sit lower in the vehicle. In ride and steering both are pretty much same setup in that both are independent strut front with anti-roll bar and multi-link IRS with anti-sway links (similar to anti-roll bar but independent linked), what it comes down to is how you like the steering weight to be, the Outlander is more heavy at highway speed which is great for that driving but for metro it means more input, the Sportage is the other way round, light in the city and at highway speeds it felt nervous to cross winds as the steering weight does not firm up at highway speeds. Engines and transmission are where the biggest difference is at base trim, the Sportage puny engine is dangerous, no other way to say it but it stinks for a vehicle that will have a kerb weight (that is full tank (54L) and driver) of potentially 1,620kg, sorry but 110kW and 198Nm is bad, and bad for fuel economy as the transmission is geared short to compensate which means the engine will be pushed into the 4,000+rpm range to get anything decent from it, whereas the Outlander with its larger 2.5L with 135kW/244Nm (at a decent for NA 3,600rpm) has taller gearing from the CVT so its more settled and does not need to be pushed, that said it also has a potential kerb weight of around 1,620kg so keep that in mind once you load it up with more people and cargo, that said its better than the Sportage in that respect. The other other is brakes, Mitsubishi did not skimp out on rotor size, they are a large 14" from front and 13" for rear with 14mm thickness, single single piston callipers all round, in other words for this market segment Mitsubishi offers great brakes, KIA? not as good, 12" front and 11" rear with 10mm thickness with single piston callipers all round, KIA does have bigger breaks for turbo petrol and turbos diesel trims, more reviewers should let people know about brake performance. Anything else? I highly rate the seats in the Outlander, spend a bit more and get the LS Black Edition which comes with the seats from the Aspire which are microsuede with artificial leather bolsters front and rear but that is a personal choice on my end.
Matt is right. I’ve been test driving the sportage and Sorento GT diesel line and a bunch of others in this segment (Mazda cx 60 high end, Tucson and Santa Fe high end, Audi q5, Volvo XC40), and I’ve come to the conclusion that Kia are definitely greater bang for buck as an urban family SUV. They’re incredibly modern on the inside and safety features, making for an interesting, fun drive. It is super spacious. Powerful engine. Easy car to drive. Great drive over bumps and uneven roads. GT diesel is definitely the way to go.
Thanks! Glad you’re in agreement. And I can totally see why a Kia makes so much more sense than some of the rivals.
If youre looking at the usual suspects then yes, but if you actually want to see where your money is going then as was suggested, look at a H6.
Right On!
Really glad you've gone to your own channel, Mat. Great review as always.
Nice review. Ordered an SX+ diesel two months ago with an estimated delivery of late December. Hoping it's no longer.... Seems to be a lot of Tuscon's around at the moment, so obviously their stock levels are improving.
Good one mate. Great pick.
And yep they did have a heap of diesel Tucsons arrive this year.
I've had my GT Line diesel for 18 months now and am very happy with it. Terrific on fuel even when just doing short trips.
Love that spec!
It even in Dawning Red, the same as your test car.
The GT line is a great spec, blind spot screen on dash is great for me , having problems with my neck.
Hi Matt,
Great honest review again. I am a Mazda fan and love their design language. So I was not really sold on the looks even with GT Line interior - all black everywhere on screen and black seats looked dull and ordinary. But the CX-5 doesn't offer the same tech, safety and space as Sportage. (also looked at the CX-60 which has stunning interior but it is not so good in other aspects of space etc). So probably going with Kia Sportage Turbo Diesel GT Line. However some reviews say that Kia Sportage is dangerous in wet conditions. Did you find it unsafe in stormy/wet conditions?
@The Right Car? would you review the Sportage Hybrid anytime soon please ? It has released already in Aus but can't seem to see any review to it
Hi Mat great review i have test drove just about everything in the mid size market love the sportage drove the 2lt petrol sx+ and the diesel love the diesel much better car to drive only thing is i didn't want a diesel as not doing many kms a week after all that we ended up with going subaru outback what a great car to drive thanks Mark
Great review Matt! Test drove diesel GT line today. Is diesel a good option for shorter trips including school runs?
If you’re only going short trips you might find a petrol to be better. The diesel has a particulate filter and will require some high speed driving occasionally.
It is interesting that all of the engine choices in Australia are different than the offerings in the States. Why is that?
Any plan on doing a review on new Honda CRV ? Waiting for your review on the base model?
You bet your backside. As soon as I can! But they haven’t done an official launch event yet.
If I can get there, I’ll be doing a detailed review as soon as it’s possible.
Great !! Confused between Corolla Cross GXL and CRV VTi X. The US version looks great. But couldn't find any good comprehensive review. Your say will play a role.
@@therightcar OMG yes! Waiting eagerly for the review!
No pressure…! Haha.
I think you’re likely to be able to get a CR-V sooner than a Corolla Cross. And if you need a bigger boot and back seat, then the Honda has it from the get go.
But let’s see what it’s like…!
I went with AWD Turbo diesel. Im hoping it will arrive in 2-3 months
Nice! Good choice.
@@therightcar Is Rav 4 Edge better ?
Hiya. Just found your Chanel! Great info. I’m tossing up with standard petrol Sportage and a Subaru Forester. I like the forester AWD but prefer the Sportage interior. Thoughts? Not a long distance driver and don’t do many kms. Would love your opinion
Thanks for that! The base petrol Sportage is a bit lethargic but it’s not like the Forester is fast…!
I think unless you’re actually going to need the AWD of the Forester, then go for the Sportage as you like its interior more, and that’s where you spend your time after all!
Hope that helps.
Thanks
Matt
My selection preferences in order are - looks, technology, and comfort. I want to love Rav4, but Kia and Hyundai are at the top in the technology department. I would choose manual hybrid any day if available (yes this setup is available in Tucson in some countries).
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The link to manual hybrid Tucson. Btw I am still driving a manual Hyundai SUV right now.
Yep, a manual hybrid would be awesome. But zero chance for Aus - shame!!
Just picked up our GT LINE which took 7 months from order - wish there was a more in-depth video for all the dash display options/menu set ups
I'm sure you'll find something out there with a more detailed run-through. Or ask the dealership. I simply have too much to cover in a review to dedicate 10 mins to dash content (you're not the first to ask, though!)
Thanks
Great review! so if you lived 30 mins away from school run would you be better getting petrol or diesel or even Hybrid?
Diesel
@@hinan187 thank you!
Shame we havent got a deiesel SX review anywhere in OZ.
Ordered a 2.0 Diesel GT-Line last month. Estimated delivery June/July 2024, so that's sort of a one year wait.
Liked it more than the equivalent Hyundai due to some small differences, such as the gear lever selection, the fantastic wrap around dashboard, and the 7 year warranty. Oh - and the blind spot monitoring where it shows what's next to you in a camera on the dash is fantastic.
The Hyundai has a better looking front end, but I like the rear of the Kia better.
BTW - Kia did Australian suspension testing/tuning. Hyundai did not. I couldn't tell much ride difference between them...
Great mate. Happy you’re getting a diesel GT-Line. It’ll be a lovely car to live with, I’m sure.
Youre seriously waiting a year on a car? You know theres a new one coming out next year right? Because Kia believes people change cars like smartphones.
@@mindfreeze0838 By the time I get it, it will hopefully be the new model.
@@spudboy1328 while that maybe so they will probably charge you for it as the new model costs more.
@@mindfreeze0838 Yep. Am expecting that. Basically I'm just buying a place in a queue...
what did they change from the 22 sprotage
When is new Honda CRV video coming out?
Not for a while mate. The launch event is late next week and the review won’t go live until after that!
Hidden flaw is rear seat floor mat is too big and doesn't properly fit.
Matt, would you buy sportage gt-line, or tuscon highlander?
i shopped both, you will hate the hyundai infotainment, looks good new, 5 minutes down he road its full of dust and fingerprints (lots of gloss black too), you cant read the screen and you have to constantly wipe it with a cloth. terrible design. go the kia.,
Hey Greg. I’d probably choose the Tucson, because I like the look of it (with the N Line pack). I also like the driving manners in it just a bit more.
However, the extra two years of warranty and the slightly lower price point seems very convincing in favour of the Kia.
@therightcar Thx Matt, I really appreciate your reply. 👍
I like Tuscon but the wife likes Sportage. Could get interesting 😊
@@gregy1194 - I was in the same position recently, looking at the Tuscon Elite N-Line AWD with turbo petrol / DCT and the equiv Kia Sportage SX+ turbo petrol / DCT AWD, both were on a wait list around 6 to 8 months (or longer) and both could not be lock in pricing.
Again buy on "needs" not "wants", the 1.6L turbo petrol i4 actually is very good shame its connected to a an absolute dog of a transmission, what the heck are Hyundai and KIA thinking still using this awful DCT junk, hell it makes the CVT that Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi use seem so much more refined and almost "torque converter like".
I ended up spending a bit more than I really needed to but did end up with the X-Trail Ti AWD 2.5L i4 NA petrol with CVT, Matt is not a fan of the ride, but for me coming from the Escape ST-Line with its much firmer stiffer suspension and heavier steering the X-Trail even on 19 by 7.5 wide allows (235/55/19) is so much better SAVE for the too light steering at parking speeds, that said the steering does firm up at motorway and highway speeds which is nice even if feel is at a minimum (again compared to what I was used to in the Escape ST-LIne AWD I previously owned).
Haha I think I know which way this decision is heading!
Love the diesel but, short trips city driving can and will probably cause DPF issues
Fair call
Go for a long drive!
What is DFP ? I went with Diesel though
@@LawlessRaafay diesel particle filter
@@therightcar dpf save the earth, then drive far to save dpf, sounds counteractive
"Shorty Sporty" ha! Ill add in my personal favorite "Shortage"(with an accent on the a for emphasis). Anyway i agree the NA petrol is anemic and ineffecient for what it is, the diesel however I find smokes quite profusely after a few years and the turbo petrol is just too expensive and mated to that crap DCT.
Anyone looking at this note that there is a new one coming soon so the threat of accelerated depreceation is quite real.
I honestly dony understand why thr Rav4 is put on a pedestal here in Australia. Its actually quite average.
Nice review. I just wish the base petrol was slightly more powerful. The dual clutch in the petrol turbo is awful and I don’t like diesels for city driving (dpf problems). Shame - really nice driving suv
Thanks Mark. Yeah, good points mate. Wish they’d sort out a better auto for the base car or just put the old 2.4 back in!
Just rewriting this as my earlier version was on mobile and was full of grammar errors. I should note that I recently purchased a vehicle in this market segment and did extensive test drives for 10 vehicles.
The Sportage is great in SX+ Plus trim(2nd from top line GT-Line trim), in FWD it comes has the (subjective) dangerous 2L NA i4 petrol (onky saving grace is that its MPEFI) which is underpowered for a vehicle with a potential kerb weight of 1,600kg but does have (objective) an 8-speed torque converter which has well spaced gears with a good final drive ratio.
Looks are subjective inside and out, to me the single sweep dashboard/infotainment screen is not that good also the capacitive touch buttons for HVAC/Infotainment are just bleh, capacitive touch is nowhere near as good as physical buttons/dials/switches , and piano black eyerwhere else? WHYYYYYY KIA WHY, SMH.
To me I I felt the interior space was cramped (smaller than my pervious vehicle which was the ZG Escape) and seats were not comfortable and passenger seat was higher than driver seat (WHY???) Props to KIA for full size spare.
What would I have chosen if I purchased KIA Sportage?
SX+ with turbo petrol / DCT* and AWD, somewhere around the (NSW) $47,800 range but there was a quoted time frame of 6 to 8 months wait and KIA can't guarantee that prices wont rise or that a new updated model will be released during that time frame with less features for a higher price (re: Toyota).
* this is not the ideal transmission however in turbo petrol mode you don't have a choice, yes I know there is turbo diesel with the very good 8 speed torque converter however not everyone wants turbo diesel.
Wow you just wrote all that for the sake of practicing to sound very intelligent?. Even test drove all 10 vehicles in the segment & then chose that🤭, I don't think you test drove anything except what you got?.
dude when are you going to review the suzuki ignis GL?
My man, I don’t think I’ll be doing an Ignis review. My understanding is it’s not long for this world in Australia. But let me see.
@@therightcarthats a shame but I can see why, the Ignis is like the red headed stepchild of the Suzuki lineup right now globally. This model has had no substantial updates since it was revived in 2016. Just about every model(short of the Carry and APV of course) have had work done since that period and there are no plans to faacelift it.
SX plus turbo diesel would be my pick. The only thing that would stop me would be the ugly exterior design. Hope that is changed next model. In medium SUV,s my pick would be a Mazda MX5 Turbo petrol. 😊
There are so many of them around these days I feel like the look has become more understandable. But I can see why people aren’t sold on it.
External looks great you crack head.
The drivetrain choices are really bad for this SUV. What it needs is a FWD 1.6 turbo with 8 speed torque converter auto. I don’t want a diesel, DCT, or AWD.
Absolutely! I wish both Tucson and Sportage had a 2.5 NA engine . I had to make do with the 2.0 NA for Tucson because I do not do a lot of highway miles for the diesel and DCT is trash.
RAV4 is just out of stock everywhere and CX-5 just looks dated at this point.
A 2.5 and 8 speed is available in the US…. I’d love that choice here
The diesel is not a DCT.
@@alastairwright2929 I know, I want a petrol 2.5 or 1.6T with the 8 speed torque converter auto, front drive.
They still have stock of piano black
Lots of it!
Im keen for the hybrid version of the Tucson/Sportage variants, only for the torque converter transmission.
The New seltos and kona have this transmission with the 1.6t, and i feel this will be updated ditching the DSG.
Which makes sense as i have heard the diesel may not continue in favour of hybrid like the new santa fe. Fingers crossed.
Comparing the KIA Sportage with Rav4 or Tucson is not realistic. For getting the same hybrid & extra features to the other cars like KIAs you will have to spend 8K euros more which for me is a deal breaker. KIA Sportage has a more realistic selling price.
I wouldn’t offer alternatives if they weren’t realistic, mate. Where are you based?
Hey Matt! So I did it, I bought myself a Demo MY22 Skoda Karoq 110TSI Style in Brilliant Silver, povo base spec with no options. Bought it from the Skoda dealer in Gosford (NSW) and it'll take roughly 3 weeks to get to me in Adelaide (Prixcar - transport). It's a May 2022 build, first registered in March 2023 and only has 310km on the odometer. New car warranty until 2030. Saved myself roughly $9K on the vehicles selling price, if I bought the same vehicle in Adelaide! Crazy!
I'm pretty sure the Sportage is a bigger vehicle overall than the Karoq, but I take comfort in knowing the Karoq has a bigger boot and is more practical, especially when you consider the Karoq has the flexible rear seating arrangement (VarioFlex seating system) and is a better drive, depending on the spec of the Sportage.
Would you consider the Sportage 2.0L SX+ Auto FWD petrol or Sportage 1.6L Turbo SX+ AWD petrol to be the Karoq's competitor?
Also, would I be right in saying that there were times in the review that you seemed a little .... 'ho-hum' with your time with this particular Sportage variant??
Nice one! That’s a good buy, I reckon, so well done to you.
I just drove the Karoq last week - and annoyingly the version I drove had more than $10,000 of options, which pushed it up to Audi Q2 or VW Tiguan pricing.
The Karoq is a very practical thing if you plan to move those seats around and consider it is so much smaller than the Sportage.
@@therightcar I'll be looking forward to your review of the Karoq in a few weeks then mate!
Sick of Albos Yes campaign being advertised on all RUclips adverts. So will start following again after referendum.
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The diesel only.
Hopefully Kia will ditch that horrible DCT !!!! Expecting 2025 SX+ will come with a 1.6 T AWD with 8 speed torque converter. That will be the sweet spot tbh!!
The 2 L needs more power
Or a better gearbox. Or both.
Kia 7 years warranty but higher service price$
what do you base your response on?
@@rcairflr Hyundai and Kia are kind of the same company, I watched lots of reviews, Hyundai mostly cheaper service $. Base on using same engines
No where did you say your post was Hyunda vs Kia service cost. What is service cost vs every onther manufacturer? BTW, here is what I found on Kia vs Hundai service cost" So your post is based on a couple dollars:
Kia has an average repair and maintenance cost of $474. This is higher than Hyundai, which has an average annual repair and maintenance cost of $468. The differences are not much, as you might tend to incur high charges from different dealers.
Here is somehting else I found:
As an accessible brand with high-reliability ratings, Kias tend to be significantly cheaper to maintain than the average automobile, with an annual repair cost of around $474-far less than the average vehicle maintenance cost of $652.
@@rimloch3919 Still waiting for you to respond to my post, which clearly debunks your post
You reckon 🤪
Ha!
I'd go for the Mitsubishi Outlander or the Nissan X Trail.
both only have 2L weak sissy engines. no turbos or diesel.
2.5L actually. And not that weak. Stronger than the base engines in the Hyundai and Kia.
Yeah I can see why!
@@mrz1281 - bzzzzt wrong, as a T33 MY23 X-Trail Ti owner I can 100% say it has a 2.5L NA petrol i4 which all the current tech like DOHC DVCT Direct Injection (would actually prefer MPEFI but what can you do) with a heavily revised CVT which now features "phantom shift" so it feels like a torque converter.
The Outlander in MY22/3 spec has the same petrol/CVT combo, spend a bit more to go AWD which also offers more "drive modes" but the advantage is superior traction in all conditions.
@@351tgvPhantom Shift sounds entirely stupid, its either you have a CVT or you dont, trying to be both just increases the price for the consumer with not real tangible benefit.
No hybrid? BOOO!!
Soon mate, calm down. It’ll be here by June 2024.
❤️⚫❤️ Sportage ❤️⚫❤️
.✴️ 👁️🗿👁️ 🏴 .
.🕳️ 👄 🕳️ .
. 🖤🐾🖤 KIA 💫🖤🐾🖤.
Only problem with Kia is their engines. They just granade double the speed compared to Japanese cars. Problem goes away with EVs eventually but I would like them to buy Engines from Toyota or Honda. This just too much of drag to their reputation. Also their engines don't have enough power. Best they can do is 265HP from plugin hybrid when similar costing EVs can have north of 400hp. Makses no sense. I would put the 200hp EV motor to rear of plugins to fix the power issue. Of course everything has to be cheap but rav4 prime is very old model and still superior system compared to what Kia can do now.
Are you speaking from personal experience? What Kia did you own that blew an engine?
I bought a 2014 Hyundai i30 with the 1.8 litre petrol engine. It had a faulty timing chain tensioner at 38,000km. It was going to be an $1,800 job to strip down the engine to replace the tensioner, chain and chain guides. The car was already six years old when I bought it privately, so I had no comeback with Hyundai. Ended up trading it in for a Toyota. This is one of the infamous Hyundai engines (the "NU" series - same series as the 2.0 petrol engine that's still used in many Kias and Hyundais) that was subject to a class action lawsuit in the USA.
yeah Kia/Hyundai o their NA petrol engines have switched from direct injection back to good ol MPEFL (in sequential format), it still gives them euro 5 but at the same time allows for better engine reliability which using 91 RON. Granted the engines have lost torque and top end power but the trade off is less fires and brake down down the line.
@@351tgvThe "NU" engine never had direct injection and that's the series that had bottom end issues (piston slap, etc.). The direct injection engines had their own set of issues. I simply wouldn't risk buying a Korean car again with an internal combustion engine, as the Hyundai/Kia engine saga has shown they're prepared to sweep a problem under the rug for years and years and then deny responsibility when the problems come to light.
@@corkeymonster - well I know the previous gen Tucson and Sportage did have NA direct injected engines, so not sure which "family line" they were but their HQ decided to go back to NA MPEFI, I did write something about the turbo petrol engines but that is another story.
Man that thing looks ugly
To their credit it looks better than the last one.
Outlander or this one u think?
Depends on what you prefer - five seat and big boot? Sportage. Option of seven seats and a more lively base engine? Outlander.
what trim grade? since you did not specify I will go with base / fleet special for both:
Outlander has 2.5L Direct Injected i4 NA petrol with CVT (with 8 step ratios) FWD
Sportage has a 2.0L MPEFI i4 NA petrol with 6-speed torque converter FWD
Off the bat styling is subjective for exterior and interior, so leave that to you for that.
Both offer nearly everything in terms of passive and active safety
Outlander offers 5+2 seat option also the middle row seats slide to extend or shorten space as needed, Sportage is 5 seater only fixed middle row, Sportage passenger seat is taller than the driver seat (which is frustrating for the passenger who wants to sit lower in the vehicle.
In ride and steering both are pretty much same setup in that both are independent strut front with anti-roll bar and multi-link IRS with anti-sway links (similar to anti-roll bar but independent linked), what it comes down to is how you like the steering weight to be, the Outlander is more heavy at highway speed which is great for that driving but for metro it means more input, the Sportage is the other way round, light in the city and at highway speeds it felt nervous to cross winds as the steering weight does not firm up at highway speeds.
Engines and transmission are where the biggest difference is at base trim, the Sportage puny engine is dangerous, no other way to say it but it stinks for a vehicle that will have a kerb weight (that is full tank (54L) and driver) of potentially 1,620kg, sorry but 110kW and 198Nm is bad, and bad for fuel economy as the transmission is geared short to compensate which means the engine will be pushed into the 4,000+rpm range to get anything decent from it, whereas the Outlander with its larger 2.5L with 135kW/244Nm (at a decent for NA 3,600rpm) has taller gearing from the CVT so its more settled and does not need to be pushed, that said it also has a potential kerb weight of around 1,620kg so keep that in mind once you load it up with more people and cargo, that said its better than the Sportage in that respect.
The other other is brakes, Mitsubishi did not skimp out on rotor size, they are a large 14" from front and 13" for rear with 14mm thickness, single single piston callipers all round, in other words for this market segment Mitsubishi offers great brakes, KIA? not as good, 12" front and 11" rear with 10mm thickness with single piston callipers all round, KIA does have bigger breaks for turbo petrol and turbos diesel trims, more reviewers should let people know about brake performance.
Anything else? I highly rate the seats in the Outlander, spend a bit more and get the LS Black Edition which comes with the seats from the Aspire which are microsuede with artificial leather bolsters front and rear but that is a personal choice on my end.