First Look: Mutt Motorcycles Stravaig 400 4K
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- First Look: Mutt Motorcycles Stravaig 400 4K
I visited Mutt Motorcycles HQ in Birmingham, UK to take a look at their new adventure bike. Mutt are better known for their 125 and 250cc retro scrambler style bikes and this is a first foray into the Adventure market. (See my other video form their stand at EICMA 2022 for the full range)
This video is my first look at the new Mutt Motorcycles Stravaig 400 Adventure bike. It's a 401cc parallel twin that makes around 36hp, with an 81cm seat height and weighs 215kg. It comes with tubeless wheels, a TPMS system, adjustable screen, LED lights, USD forks, 12V and USB socket, and ABS on the twin disc at the front and single disc to the rear.
It is very reasonably priced at just under £5000 (as of September 2024). The luggage is extra, 2x28L side cases and a 40L top case for an additional £375 for those that need it.
Full details of the bike are on the Mutt Motorcycles website:
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A first ride video will follow. For now, this is a close look at the bike itself.
Please note that this is a pre-production prototype, the final production versions will be coming in a couple of weeks. They will essentially be the same but with a proper coated finish on the body parts (they are painted on this bike), black levers and a TFT dash.
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Saw this the 1st day it came out...Quite a difference from the usual Mutt Bikes 🙂
It is, but then Adventure bikes seem to be the thing that sells so I expect it makes sense for the brand. (I would like to go back and try one of the 250’s though. Perhaps another day when I have more time.)
Not for me and the type of riding I enjoy, but it looks like a good deal and perhaps a competitor to Royal Enfield.
Yup, it’s not for everyone but it’s nice to have one more option in this category that was neglected for so long.
Why do these bikes all look the same nomatter who makes them. Are they made to the same template, perhaps one of these days one might just look a bit different.
Isn’t that what style of bike is? All MX bikes look the same, as do rally bikes, retro roadsters and supersports. I guess the same can apply to adventure bikes?
A re worked Sinnis 380 is no match for a 411 Himalayan.
I would prefer the Indian two wheels you can still pick up brand new for the same money or less. Or a second hand Himmy with a few hundred miles on the clock.
Does the same thing and has proven itself.
I’ve ridden both and I’m not sure I agree. There is a charm to the chugging of the 411 but the road smoothness and top end power of the Mutt makes it a more sensible high speed road bike.
Looks like a well thought out bike I like the twin cylinder and the twin discs looking forward to the ride 😊
Yup. It's not light at 215kg, but for £4995, compromises have to be made somewhere. I'll see when I can finish that edit and publish.... my apologies if there's a bit of a delay... I have some mountains to ride over for a few weeks.
To heavy at 215kg wet for the 36hp.
@@robwest5257 too heavy for what? I’ve done tours in Colombia on a 16hp 140kg bike with less power to weight than this. It will easily do 70mph. Not sure if you’ve ever ridden a RE Meteor 350. They shouldn’t work, at 191kg and 20hp, but I rode one and couldn’t stop smiling. It might be that you need more, but if you haven’t tried one, I’d suggest you do, you might be surprised. I was.
I think the engines from Zongshen, it looks similar with their classic 400's engine
Edit: I think this is Zongshen's bike rebranded by mutt
Yup, I think the base is a Zongshen Cyclone RX401, but with some changes done for Mutt. (That's a guess based on a a visual comparison)
Looks an interesting bike & will attract a lot of attention at Motorcycle Live. Getting towards showtime now!
Just a shame that at 401cc, it falls into the next RFL class in the UK.
Good point. That's an extra £29/year vs a 400. Though I guess that's perhaps 1 tank of fuel so maybe not a deal breaker. I had a look at what's just under, and I think that'd be something like the Sinnis Terrain 380 also a twin but 378cc and makes the same 36bhp and similar torque, though at slightly higher revs. It also costs £500 less, but the seat is 1cm higher, fuel tank is 1L smaller, doesn't have the tubeless wheels, TFT dash, LED lights or TPMS. None of these are deal breakers, and I guess some will choose the Mutt for the extra £500 for these bits, even with the higher RFL.
A naked roadster with this engine would be better.
Perhaps that will follow?
Looks good value
I think so too!
Am I right in thinking that's a sinnis t380 made euro compliant?
Not sure. Is the T380 based on a Zongshen Cyclone RX401? If so it might be, but there’s quite a few small differences so might be different. I think there is a Euro5 T380 though? Not sure if this is the Euro 5+ variant, but I think this may be an evolution. Do you have a T380 in the collection?
I think the rx401 is an evolution of the RX4 which was the sinnis T380 rebadged (I believe). I did ride one. It was very low geared and all in all pretty average. I wouldn't have bought one and it was discontinued pretty quickly. Hopefully this mutt rendition is significantly improved. Needs to be.@@PeakMotorcycles
from the side it looks like the kawasaki versys-x 300, the headlight is like the voge ds900x which is again similar to the new motoguzzi stelvio
Imitation is the highest form of flattery?! 😉
You're really not telling us much here? The plastics makes the frame look like cast alu but it's steel.....like the swing arm.
I had a few minutes to do a walk round in a car park I’m afraid, so I can only apologise for what little I can see from that. Sounds like you saw enough to establish the above though, so well done you.
Bonjour, and how do you feel it to travel with a passager ? Thanks for sharing
Hi, I haven't tried, but the pillion seat seems a good size and the pegs with the rubber inserts are a nice touch. I think the power will always be limited, and the luggage space is also a consideration. I'd say to test ride one if you can and make a judgement if it works for you. For highway use, 2-up, I think it'll be limited. It might make the speed limit, (and probably will) but it's not the ideal bike for that, for lower speed touring, perhaps to 100km/h or 60mph, I don't see why you couldn't.
@@PeakMotorcycles merci René
Obviously very good value, but oh that weight for a 400cc engine………
Yup, light it is not, but then they have to design, build, ship and make a profit for what is £4160 before VAT. Light costs, and I doubt you’d get a bike at this price point that does that as well. The RE 350 Meteor is cheaper and a little lighter, but it has half the power. I guess if you’re coming off a big bike, this is a big contrast, but having said that, I’ve ridden it and it gets up to 70mph well enough. If coming from a 125, it’ll feel like a rocket. For a few days at that 🤣
@@PeakMotorcycles I’m lucky enough to have the CF Moto 450MT which will probably be around £700-£800 more when this bike gets released. I’m please Mutt are finally going for that slightly larger engine. A 400 to 500 is all I need these days.
£4995 without panniers, £5500 with panniers
May I ask where you saw that? They told me £300 at their HQ yesterday. On the website, it says £5374 with panniers here: muttmotorcycles.com/products/stravaig-401cc-matt-black
They badly need to redesign this, it already looks like a twenty year old bike. The colour, the 'bodywork' all look so 2000.
Then there is the need for a crashbar: the waterpump sticks out too far, one slide over the street and you'll be stuck for two weeks....
Given the popularity of retro bikes, is that a positive or a negative?! As for the crashbar, I’m not sure where the contact points are but I’m sure there will be options for that. I know plenty of folks who love Honda’s 300L which comes with no crash protection (and the radiator does burst on impact) and looks like a 30 year old trail bike, including the halogen headlight and large orange indicators. They can’t make enough of them, so perhaps that’s no bad thing.
215kg is too heavy. I was quite interested until I saw the weight in the description. Thats more than my T7 , but with half the power.
Yup, makes sense, though I don't think this is competing with the T7. A T7 with a few options (Centre stand, led indicators, and a 12V outlet) is over £11,200. And while the Mutt is 10Kg heavier, that's with the centre stand which I guess would add 3-4Kg to the T7. Also the Mutt has a bigger fuel tank by 3L so the wet weight probably includes another 2-3Kg of fuel. You are right that it's still heavier, but it's more than £6000 more, for a weight saving of 6Kg, or £1000/kg. I know this is a slightly silly example, as the T7 is a class above in terms of what it'll do, but I think the weights are comparable. It does have half the power, costs less than half as much, so I guess the Mutt will appeal to those who don't need the extra 36hp and would rather spend £5k instead of £11k on a bike.
@@PeakMotorcycles I completely get that, my primary ride as I get older now is my ktm 390 adventure. First priority for me is less weight. It's a lovely bike (other than that rear mudguard) , but its massively too heavy, at least for me.
@@Hutchie2112 one day there will be a 170kg, 70hp, tubeless, adventure bike for under £10k. Kove 800x perhaps?
@@PeakMotorcycles You getting me drooling :)
Cheers.
Off the shelf Chinese engine with parts bin plastics bolted on, the weight of a 900cc bike with a 400cc engine and five grand. If you filled up that luggage and got a pillion on the back it wouldn’t pull the skin off a rice pudding. It doesn’t even look nice. So many better bikes in this segment. Well done for picking something different but no thanks.
May I ask what your choice would be in the segment? It is heavy, but I rode the RE Meteor 350 which is 15kg lighter but with half the power and it was great fun. It did feel more like a canal boat than a power boat though both are fun to drive, but the enjoyment comes in different ways. I've done a fair bit of riding in Colombia recently on 200cc 16hp 140kg bikes that are almost the fastest things on the road. Many people do just fine with more weight and less power, but it's all relative and down to expectations. As for others in this segment, I guess the obvious comparison is the old Himalayan 411. That's a 200kg bike with 15L of fuel vs 215kg of the Mutt with 19L, so perhaps 10kg or so in it. Except the Himmy makes 24hp to the 36hp of the Mutt. I've seen plenty of Himalayans around 2-up with 1/3 less power. Fast they are not, but skin off a rice pudding they can manage, and I would expect this would do the same, only faster. It's not for everyone, but neither was the Himalayan and in a world where the old 500's became 600's, 750's and now 800's and 900's and the litre bikes became 1100's, 1200's and 1300's all while the price of a middleweight adventure bike often topples £15k and a big bike £25k, having some of these bikes coming in above the 125's, but below the 500's is great to see. It's probably not a bike I'd own either, but then I already have a 411 Scram, a CRF300, a CT125, a Kove 450 and a 450MT on the way, so my garage is full.
Yes but RE replaced the Himmi with a bike that has nearly double the power so clearly they realised people will only buy under-powered ‘50s technology at modern prices for so long. Such bikes do work in other parts of the world but they’re much, much cheaper there and generally incomes are far lower - otherwise people would probably get a car instead, unless it’s rough terrain with no roads. You cannot escape the fact that this is a rebadged Chinese engine that itself was a copy of something else, with fairly bland and anonymous adv bike Mutt styling applied, at pretty much big brand pricing. Looking at their website this seems to be their thing. All power to them but I wonder how many bikes they actually sell.
@@MH-xd2nd do you have a preferred bike in this segment? And yes, the new Himi is a modern bike, but it doesn’t do it for me I’m afraid. Each to their own though. I expect they’ll keep selling the old one where they can where they don’t need to adapt for EU5+. May I ask if you also consider the KTM 790 and 890 and the BMW parallel twins rebadged Chinese engines? I think they are made by CFMoto and Loncin respectively.
Absolute bargain
It is. The team at Mutt are all very passionate about the brand, and I really hope they do well.
SINNIS... MUTT... still avoidable. Get a used 500X or new NX500... anything but these things.
The Honda 500’s are a bit bland though, to me at least. Even the new NX500, which I’m sure is a reliable bike is what we’d buy if logic was used to select a motorcycle.
@@PeakMotorcycles Bland over funding those communists any day.
This bike has already been in the uk and failed! It was then badged as sinnis terrain T380, poor quality Chinese made bike🤔
Do you or have you had a Sunnis 380 Terrain? The specs are similar, but the seat is a bit lower on the Mutt, the fuel tank a bit larger, the engine 401cc vs 380cc (I thought the Sinnis used a bored out Suzuki 250, do you think they’ve just bored it out more?). Definitely the same sector but the bikes seem to have a lot of differences. I thought the Mutt was based on the Zongshen Cyclone RX401, but I could be wrong.
@@PeakMotorcycles Yes it was a copy of the inazuma 250 engine bored to 380cc. Sinnis was just a made up brand name by the UK importers. The actual bike was a Zongshen Rx3 380. Yes perhaps they have bored it out again,or it still might be a 380cc🤔. I think if these bikes were £2995 it would be more realistic and wouldn't matter about depreciation etc. But it's looking like it will be priced not along way off things like new Himalayan, triumph etc.I know someone who test rode the 380 when it came out and he said the vibrations are bad at higher revs,so it put him off buying it. And judging what I've seen second hand ones advertised at he made the right decision. Have you still got your scram 410 or did you sell it? 🙂
@@bally632I’ve still got the scram. I think about getting rid of it a few times, but when I ride it it reminds me why I bought it in the first place. Time is hard to come by at the moment but the thing I’m working on finishes in July next year and I’m going to take a few months off real work to do bike stuff Monday to Friday for a few months. It’ll make a nice change to trying to fit it in evenings and weekends around other commitments. I’ll do a bit with the Scram then and see if it’s still picking up views from the Indian market. As for the Zongshen version of this, it’s a Cyclone RX401 which is new, or at least a descendant rather than a cousin of the RX3.