Oohata and Ohata (more correctly rendered Ōhata) are not the same name. 大畑 or 御旗 are just a couple examples of how different they can look in Japanese. Vowel extensions matter folks! I'm by no means an expert on japanese but I've studied the language for almost 3 years and use it daily with my japanese friends
This!!! Thank you for pointing it out. I do my best to avoid romaji now to avoid that Confusion. Once I see the Kanji to the name, it all starts to make sense. I’m also no expert by any means myself. Barely getting by with about 320 Kanji Characters here but thankfully having Japanese friends also helps as well.
“There’s a strong survivorship bias. We only see credits for games that come to completion. It’s impossible to see credits for those whose games don’t or who are working on projects that are much smaller.” I also think it’s pretty common for people to work on various forms of media. Take for instance Yoshitaka Amano. When he wasn’t designing for video games, he was working on anime or other media. I’m quite fond of his work on Angel’s Egg which was an influence on Dark Souls. A relatively smaller game designer is Travis Baldree who has disappeared from game development for long stretches of time only to resurface with titles such as the Torchlight series. In recent years his interests have turned to audiobook narration and authoring his own novels. When we can see all that a particular game creator has worked on, we see often their complex and varied wealth of interest. I’ve found Timothy Cain’s (known for Fallout among other games) channel very eye-opening. I love to see a single creator’s varied journey through artistic creation. Be it solely in the field of video games or in a varied capacity, such as seen with artists such as Akira Toriyama. Then to see how seemingly very different works are related to one another.
For me it's very important who is making the game, even more important than being a Mario & Luigi Games are not good due to the IP, they are as good as the work and talent of the development team. If it's not people fromAlpha Dream the game would not have a reason to be any better than a random indie game inspired in Mario & Luigi
It’s mentally unstable fanatics like to go and harass the devs involved I.e. aya kyoguku (animal crossing new horizons director) was harassed to the point of quitting social media
11:16 It's official: Acquire is the studio behind Brothership! That fact it doesn't appear on the list and many person are not affiliated with a studio might be the answer to the puzzle! Well, we'll see once the credit drop!
Good forecast. Important for you to have noted that while some AlphaDream staff may have returned for Brothership, it wouldn't be too too many as the whole reason the developing house went bankrupt is because there was a fundamental issue with their team. More than likely, the new M&L developer would bring back some core technical experts from the M&L team at AlphaDream, but they would only be brought on for their experience with the franchise rather than their ability to lead a new entry.
ILCA does seem like the best match here. Considering how people already reacted negatively to Forever Entertainment working on DKC Returns, it's probably best to keep the developer secret until the game is out.
The fact that some of the old staff is involved makes me happy. It’d feel pretty scummy if Nintendo just let AlphaDream die and NOT hire on some the old staff to make another entry THEIR series.
That’s the brilliance of the Japanese game industry compared to the western industry. While Sega has lost the vast majority of their Dreamcast/GameCube/PS2/Xbox creatives, almost all of the names that brought us Sega’s best games have impressive portfolios at other studios after leaving Sega. Meanwhile over here stateside, AAA publishers happily terminate thousands (almost tens of thousands) of positions at their companies a year, and most recognizeable devs rarely get to work on games again afterwards
@@TurboPikachu It’s a massive difference in culture I think. Frankly it seems with in-house studios over in Japan they’re more incentivized to run their business in order to retain their employees. They market to a core audience and follower base and stick to that for generating a flow of income. Not that there aren’t shareholders or stakeholders in their companies; of course there are, but the overall tight-knit mentality of Japanese culture really serves to their benefit. The west is really different with chasing after sponsorship money, and how stakeholders can play a large part in the funding and developing of company projects where gaming is no exception. Hiring employees to later let go of them, and buying IP’s merely to sit on them or to rebrand them, does a lot to play up numbers and statistics for quotas (Ubisoft’s latest AC being a clear example). But it doesn’t run a business effectively, except for the matter of running businesses into the ground. At least where so far as the states, the current state of affairs cultural is largely living under debt. Where there’s a prevalent culture war I think that ultimately becomes magnified to the degree it currently is at because of how debt and the monetization of debt so heavily shapes the western gaming industry. Japan doesn’t have this issue with the likes of popular IP’s in anime and manga composing the bulk of their entertainment industry, being a prominent export.
@@ParaplegicKeanuReeves yeah, good point. Who cares about the people that made the franchise? They could’ve been out of a job forever, but the funny Mario game series is back!
Off topic, but after watching the clips in the video, I'm reminded of how good Mario RPG's remake looked. Of the 3 x recent RPG remakes, Mario RPG looks the best imo. Paper Mario TTYD looks nice & all, but the leap from SNES to Switch (plus the 60 fps target) make it look so nice, while M&L Brothership's cel-shaded art & cartoony animations is super unique. Either way, it's so cool that the Switch finally brought all 3 of these series together under 1 roof!
I have recently heard some leakers say that ILCA is the dev, obviously take that with a grain of salt but if its true I just find it curious that Nintendo and Pokemon seem to REALLY want to work with them. I'm sure they have a good reason but ILCAs catalogue isn't anything amazing and they only worked on CG movies prior to Pokemon Home
ILCA had worked on Pokemon Home and was big enough that TPC probably saw contracting them for BD/SP to be the right call, as most other studios they've partnered with are small or busy with their own things (HAL Laboratory hasn't touched Pokemon in years, for instance). And if Nintendo's working with them, it's presumably just because they've followed much of the talent from AlphaDream to their new workplace. They did the same thing with Another Code Recollection, as quite a few Cing staff members were hired at Arc System Works and returned for that project. In fact, this video highlights that a lot of the AlphaDream alumni we know are at ILCA even worked on BD/SP, something that I think all the people whining about ILCA's rumored involvement with Brothership because of those remakes should know.
When we start up Brothership, if they call back to the tradition of Mario and Luigi shouting "Nintendo!" then they need to shout the name of the dev team. Tell everyone who helped bring them back.
08:25 - It comes down to the Kanji. I really tend to ignore Japanese names in Romaji now for this reason you explained. Once I see the Kanji, I can start to tell the difference.
I do want to point out that Mistwalker is a design studio (like Sora Ltd.) and not going to hire a whole lot. If I remember correctly, Blue Dragon and The Last Story used Artoon, Lost Odyssey used Feelplus and Terra Battle and Fantasian relied on Arzest. There's a good chance the Fantasian staff were a part of Arzest (assuming they weren't freelance in the moment). Also, I want to point out that you missed an important part of Mario & Luigi's credits. At the very bottom of Special Thanks, they list Digital Works Entertainment. This is another outsourcing company but, they do not list who was a part of this company sort of. In a lot of credits, the employees of outsourced companies are listed at the end of each section but, they don't list the particular cutoff point. Thus, some of these people never directly worked for Alphadream. If you inspect the Tekken 8 credits, you can see Yuuki Amano for instance is actually under Digital Works.
Honestly them being secretive about who's developer makes a lot of sense after seeing Internet's reaction on the news about ILCA possibly working on the game. Let the game speak for itself, not the studio behind it
Congrats on 10k subs!! Some of the games that former members of the team worked on are pretty interesting (especially for the ones that were involved with fantasian which was shown in the direct) Will you be making a video on echoes of wisdom? I'd like to hear your thoughts on it now that it’s been a few days since the announcement
Can you do a breakdown of what studios Nintendo does have and what games they made or are making? as I love Nintendo games but somehow don’t really know the names of the teams and who does what
Yes, this is on the cards. I've been working on this for a while but it'll have to wait until I've got a fair amount of time (so, probably, late July or early August). Thanks for the comment.
@@sahaprocks7751 I don't see why it's extreme, the game constantly wastes your time, sets up false objectives & cancels them, and has a massive fetch quest towards the end that I didn't want to stick around for. I only played as long as I did because the environments and music were nice. I can't help but find it amusing that a game based on pillow-themed characters and dreams is so padded as to be sleep-inducing.
@@dannypalin9583 I don't see any value in continuing to play a video game I'm not enjoying at all. In real-world terms, it's staring at a pattern of colored lights. I'd rather do household chores because they represent actual accomplishment.
Oohata and Ohata (more correctly rendered Ōhata) are not the same name. 大畑 or 御旗 are just a couple examples of how different they can look in Japanese. Vowel extensions matter folks!
I'm by no means an expert on japanese but I've studied the language for almost 3 years and use it daily with my japanese friends
oh wow!!
I wanna learn Japanese, do you have any tips?
This!!! Thank you for pointing it out. I do my best to avoid romaji now to avoid that Confusion. Once I see the Kanji to the name, it all starts to make sense.
I’m also no expert by any means myself. Barely getting by with about 320 Kanji Characters here but thankfully having Japanese friends also helps as well.
Amazing! Thank you - I've pinned this comment!
Oohata and Ōhata is the same. Ō is just an alternative way of transcribing おう or おお.
I thought 御旗 is read as みはた
“There’s a strong survivorship bias. We only see credits for games that come to completion. It’s impossible to see credits for those whose games don’t or who are working on projects that are much smaller.” I also think it’s pretty common for people to work on various forms of media. Take for instance Yoshitaka Amano. When he wasn’t designing for video games, he was working on anime or other media. I’m quite fond of his work on Angel’s Egg which was an influence on Dark Souls. A relatively smaller game designer is Travis Baldree who has disappeared from game development for long stretches of time only to resurface with titles such as the Torchlight series. In recent years his interests have turned to audiobook narration and authoring his own novels. When we can see all that a particular game creator has worked on, we see often their complex and varied wealth of interest. I’ve found Timothy Cain’s (known for Fallout among other games) channel very eye-opening. I love to see a single creator’s varied journey through artistic creation. Be it solely in the field of video games or in a varied capacity, such as seen with artists such as Akira Toriyama. Then to see how seemingly very different works are related to one another.
very interesting insight&true.
It is so weird that they treat "who's making the game" as a surprise. You'll just have to wait and see!
It probably helps prevent leaks. Hard to harass developers for information if nobody knows which developers to go after.
I believe some former NoA employees have said that they (Nintendo) generally want the games to speak for themselves, but don't quote me on that.
For me it's very important who is making the game, even more important than being a Mario & Luigi
Games are not good due to the IP, they are as good as the work and talent of the development team.
If it's not people fromAlpha Dream the game would not have a reason to be any better than a random indie game inspired in Mario & Luigi
It’s mentally unstable fanatics like to go and harass the devs involved I.e. aya kyoguku (animal crossing new horizons director) was harassed to the point of quitting social media
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This could make a great "where are they now" finale to a 70s movie
11:16 It's official: Acquire is the studio behind Brothership! That fact it doesn't appear on the list and many person are not affiliated with a studio might be the answer to the puzzle! Well, we'll see once the credit drop!
Good forecast. Important for you to have noted that while some AlphaDream staff may have returned for Brothership, it wouldn't be too too many as the whole reason the developing house went bankrupt is because there was a fundamental issue with their team.
More than likely, the new M&L developer would bring back some core technical experts from the M&L team at AlphaDream, but they would only be brought on for their experience with the franchise rather than their ability to lead a new entry.
Good point, although it may have been more about the management and budgeting rather than the programmers.
ILCA does seem like the best match here. Considering how people already reacted negatively to Forever Entertainment working on DKC Returns, it's probably best to keep the developer secret until the game is out.
Is it not because the DKC Returns preview looks worse graphically than Tropical Freeze, rather than because of who's developing it?
@@malcovich_games because of the developer being involved with bad remakes before.
@@vianabdullah2837 makes sense, the trailer quality does kind of support this point too
Given ILCA’s track record is bad Pokemon games (Which is all them lately to be fair), yeah I’d be scared to reveal myself too.
The fact that some of the old staff is involved makes me happy. It’d feel pretty scummy if Nintendo just let AlphaDream die and NOT hire on some the old staff to make another entry THEIR series.
That’s the brilliance of the Japanese game industry compared to the western industry. While Sega has lost the vast majority of their Dreamcast/GameCube/PS2/Xbox creatives, almost all of the names that brought us Sega’s best games have impressive portfolios at other studios after leaving Sega.
Meanwhile over here stateside, AAA publishers happily terminate thousands (almost tens of thousands) of positions at their companies a year, and most recognizeable devs rarely get to work on games again afterwards
@@TurboPikachu It’s a massive difference in culture I think. Frankly it seems with in-house studios over in Japan they’re more incentivized to run their business in order to retain their employees. They market to a core audience and follower base and stick to that for generating a flow of income. Not that there aren’t shareholders or stakeholders in their companies; of course there are, but the overall tight-knit mentality of Japanese culture really serves to their benefit.
The west is really different with chasing after sponsorship money, and how stakeholders can play a large part in the funding and developing of company projects where gaming is no exception. Hiring employees to later let go of them, and buying IP’s merely to sit on them or to rebrand them, does a lot to play up numbers and statistics for quotas (Ubisoft’s latest AC being a clear example). But it doesn’t run a business effectively, except for the matter of running businesses into the ground. At least where so far as the states, the current state of affairs cultural is largely living under debt. Where there’s a prevalent culture war I think that ultimately becomes magnified to the degree it currently is at because of how debt and the monetization of debt so heavily shapes the western gaming industry. Japan doesn’t have this issue with the likes of popular IP’s in anime and manga composing the bulk of their entertainment industry, being a prominent export.
Who cares the franchise is alive still 💀
@@ParaplegicKeanuReeves yeah, good point. Who cares about the people that made the franchise? They could’ve been out of a job forever, but the funny Mario game series is back!
I mean, would it really be scummy for them to make a new game with a new studio for their OWN IP ?
Great video! Hope you consider examining former staff the same way for companies like Skip and Vanpool a future video.
Off topic, but after watching the clips in the video, I'm reminded of how good Mario RPG's remake looked.
Of the 3 x recent RPG remakes, Mario RPG looks the best imo. Paper Mario TTYD looks nice & all, but the leap from SNES to Switch (plus the 60 fps target) make it look so nice, while M&L Brothership's cel-shaded art & cartoony animations is super unique.
Either way, it's so cool that the Switch finally brought all 3 of these series together under 1 roof!
So it sounds to me like square enix, an epd team, and ilca just got a lot more likely, and monolithsoft/camelot is way less likely than before
Imagine being a long-time Alphadream dev, only to be let go and get brought on to work on bdsp of all games. The horror
WELL DONE ON 10K. It's well deserved for the great insights and research you present. Thanks again.
Thank you!
Did I just become your 10,000th subscriber?!
It was at 9.99k, then I subbed & it now shows 10k!!! 😲
congrats
Amazing! Welcome to the channel! 😄
I have recently heard some leakers say that ILCA is the dev, obviously take that with a grain of salt but if its true I just find it curious that Nintendo and Pokemon seem to REALLY want to work with them. I'm sure they have a good reason but ILCAs catalogue isn't anything amazing and they only worked on CG movies prior to Pokemon Home
They worked on one piece odyssey and the Akita toriyama sand game so their experience has grown since then
ILCA had worked on Pokemon Home and was big enough that TPC probably saw contracting them for BD/SP to be the right call, as most other studios they've partnered with are small or busy with their own things (HAL Laboratory hasn't touched Pokemon in years, for instance). And if Nintendo's working with them, it's presumably just because they've followed much of the talent from AlphaDream to their new workplace. They did the same thing with Another Code Recollection, as quite a few Cing staff members were hired at Arc System Works and returned for that project. In fact, this video highlights that a lot of the AlphaDream alumni we know are at ILCA even worked on BD/SP, something that I think all the people whining about ILCA's rumored involvement with Brothership because of those remakes should know.
When we start up Brothership, if they call back to the tradition of Mario and Luigi shouting "Nintendo!" then they need to shout the name of the dev team. Tell everyone who helped bring them back.
08:25 - It comes down to the Kanji. I really tend to ignore Japanese names in Romaji now for this reason you explained. Once I see the Kanji, I can start to tell the difference.
I do want to point out that Mistwalker is a design studio (like Sora Ltd.) and not going to hire a whole lot. If I remember correctly, Blue Dragon and The Last Story used Artoon, Lost Odyssey used Feelplus and Terra Battle and Fantasian relied on Arzest. There's a good chance the Fantasian staff were a part of Arzest (assuming they weren't freelance in the moment).
Also, I want to point out that you missed an important part of Mario & Luigi's credits. At the very bottom of Special Thanks, they list Digital Works Entertainment. This is another outsourcing company but, they do not list who was a part of this company sort of. In a lot of credits, the employees of outsourced companies are listed at the end of each section but, they don't list the particular cutoff point. Thus, some of these people never directly worked for Alphadream. If you inspect the Tekken 8 credits, you can see Yuuki Amano for instance is actually under Digital Works.
Excellent insight - thank you!
Honestly them being secretive about who's developer makes a lot of sense after seeing Internet's reaction on the news about ILCA possibly working on the game. Let the game speak for itself, not the studio behind it
Congrats on 10k subs.
Thanks!
I'm surprised I haven't even thought of a video like this before.
Congrats on 10k subs!!
Some of the games that former members of the team worked on are pretty interesting (especially for the ones that were involved with fantasian which was shown in the direct)
Will you be making a video on echoes of wisdom? I'd like to hear your thoughts on it now that it’s been a few days since the announcement
Yes, I hope to look at Echoes of Wisdom a lot more as time allows.
Can you do a breakdown of what studios Nintendo does have and what games they made or are making? as I love Nintendo games but somehow don’t really know the names of the teams and who does what
Yes, this is on the cards. I've been working on this for a while but it'll have to wait until I've got a fair amount of time (so, probably, late July or early August). Thanks for the comment.
@@nintendoforecast looking forward to whenever you drop it! Thanks!
This is my new favorite channel!
Amazing - thank you!
hi Nintendo Forecast
Hi!
I hope this doesn't have the crazy level of padding the last couple M&L games have had. Paper Jam was tedious, and I gave up & sold Dream Team.
That’s pretty extreme. But I don’t blame you
@@sahaprocks7751 I don't see why it's extreme, the game constantly wastes your time, sets up false objectives & cancels them, and has a massive fetch quest towards the end that I didn't want to stick around for. I only played as long as I did because the environments and music were nice. I can't help but find it amusing that a game based on pillow-themed characters and dreams is so padded as to be sleep-inducing.
@@jacklawsen6390How pathetic.
@@dannypalin9583 I don't see any value in continuing to play a video game I'm not enjoying at all. In real-world terms, it's staring at a pattern of colored lights. I'd rather do household chores because they represent actual accomplishment.
new bros attacks lets gooooo
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