No they are not, playing games is a blast. You really get sucked in to the field of view. It helps with video and sound editing since you have a bigger area for the timeline.
This has always bugged me. The first time I saw Todd using Ultrawide I got mad as hell because of the letterboxing and that he didn't care enough to just fix it
Notice how much Bethesda talked about weapons and exploration while Obsidian focused on player choice. That is the key difference between the 2 companies. For Bethesda, the worlds they make are their worlds. But for Obsidian, the worlds they make are the player's world.
Honestly, I would be so glad if they worked with Obsidian for a Fallout game. They make the world, Obsidian makes the combat work, the story work... basically the only thing Bethesda would be doing is coming up with new gun ideas (they seem to like that anyway) and creating the ruined world the story would be based in. I love the Capital Wasteland, more than I love New Vegas' setting, but story-wise 3 is inferior and the gameplay was a touch weaker, although very similar (outside of player choice).
What Bethesda excels in: World design, world building, VISUAL STORY TELLING, attention to detail, atmosphere What Obsidian excels in: Story, choices within quests, NPC character designs + stories, the way factions work, cHOICES
It's a small thing, but even the background music feels telling of the developers. Bethesda has a more "edgy" feel to it. It sounds like it's trying to be cool and "with the times." Obsidian has a more down to earth sounding track. More "home-y" and relaxed.
I love how Bethesda has apparently made a build just to test the guns, yet the final game had probably the worst gun handling at the time, with weapons that felt more like unresponsive magical staffs summoning bullets, no aiming down sights and a horribly inaccurate crosshair. Not only has New Vegas improved the gun combat by a mile, they've also added special melee attacks to try and make close combat more than two guys awkwardly spamming fast hits until one drops like a rag doll.
Fallout 3 is unplayable without an iron sights mod on PC. At least I refused to play it without that mod. And even after I played it, it wasn't the big shit everyone was talking about, I just finished the main storyline and that's it, didn't even bothered completing the DLC's. I don't remember anything else about Fallout 3 anymore, except the part where you're a baby and grow up in the Vault, that's my favorite part, tbh.
Bethesda: ugghhh Green super mutants are the orcs and they are monsters i guess. They just yell a whole lot. Obsidian: Super mutants are victims of war and are traumatized trying to figure out their place.
Zurgo Pussysmasher f3 was great in its world, imo opinion almost the best open world to date if it added more places of interest like megaton, but Vegas made a far lesser open world more important and mean something. You can blow up megaton in f3, it changes the PLACE that was there. You set nukes on the ncr or legion in vegas, there's impact on the WORLD
Obsidian: "We would like to give the player a wide variety of choices to make before get head right first into a fist full of enemies and not into combat but in other situations the player goes through." Bethesda: "GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS rpg elements GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS."
Rusty Shovel Because that's what sells, i.e. Call of Duty, Overwatch, PUBG, Destiny, Fallout 4(love or hate it), TC: Rainbow Six Siege, Doom.... see the pattern? If the majority had actually gave a shit about New Vegas it would have sold way more than it did and Obsidian wouldn't have resorted to Kickstarter to survive. Oh and now it comes out Microsoft cancelled another title that just happened to have Obsidian working on it which seems to be the norm with Obsidian and well what Black Isle Studios dealt with, cancellation after cancellation. Seems to me a "triple A developer" like Obsidian wouldn't suffer so much if they were truly this beloved. Truth is the majority of gamers don't give a shit about New Vegas, only losers who bang their dick's and elbows on their keyboard in anger because they have no life period. It's sad pathetic gamers who still whine and bitch about Bethesda and Fallout 4 that give gamers a bad name, grow up and get the fuck over it like a man and quit acting like little whiny pussies.
I see no melee or unarmed, which is accurate. Only five unarmed weapons (all attack the same slow one handed attack) and at max unarmed a critical paralyzing palm in power armor makes you default pose and not attack. Unarmed bonuses don't apply half the time in power armor with arm mods too. Criticals are based off of VATS which are unusable in power armor. Even if you block enemy attacks they recover fast enough that you can't counter them, forcing VATS usage (no Scribe Counter). Thanks Bethesda. No pushy, no two step goodbye, no ballistic fist, no greased lightning, no special learnable moves aside from crit, nothing fun or interesting.
SevenStarSamurai 1. Were talking about both companies views not how well it sold. 2. How did Fallout 4 give gamers a bad name 3. FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCK YOU TO SIR FUCKINGTON. 4. If you love Fallout 4 so much than shut up and play it.
Fallout 3: Small variety of guns, talks about their guns all day New Vegas: Has way more guns, talks more about the game and how to approach it. Bethesda, put down the coke and have a pepsi. Give Sonic Team their coke back
It's funny how it wound up like that and Obsidian didn't even invest their entire time on guns. They also said in interviews what they based their guns off of and why they got implemented.
*Guns, but they’re objectively terrible. So the thing Bethesda chose to focus on ended up falling flat on its face. They’re so inept I almost feel bad for them.
@@UnityAgainstJewishEvilyou do realise revelation 3:9 did not surprisingly speak of jesus' nation, the jews, rather the people thousands of miles away from jesus' homeland who live their life pretending they are jews by going to churches, observing the sabbath on the wrong day etc. christianity was never meant to be bastardized by pagan europeans who celebrate yule and easter and this passage confirms it. So if anyone is the synagogue of satan, i hope this cleared up who.
"My idea is to explore more of the world and more of the ethics of a post-nuclear world, not to make a better plasma gun." - Tim Cain "Hey, violence is funny - let's all just own up to it! Violence done well is fucking hilarious." - Todd Howard
Black Isle itself made a better plasma. In the very first game. In how you can get a Winchester P94 upgraded to the Winchester P94 turbo. But his point isn't that he didn't want there to be a better plasma gun available. It's that the main focus of the game isn't to get one.
Once New Vegas came out, I never touched Fallout 3 again. Similarly, if Obsidian gets to make a new Fallout with the Fallout 4 engine, I'll never touch Fallout 4 again either.
" things have actually gotten WORSE. Society hasn't progressed." That is not how you fucking write a fallout game after Fallout 2 literally has entire nations that exist and are PROGRESSING AND EXPANDING.
I just thought of that, in the first two fallouts we had cities that were created with the remains of the past ones, society is expanding. Sandy Shades literally became the NCR, and that little town was built from nothing. It triggered me.
@@nebushenx I honestly wish there was a secret faction like 4’s institute that kept the capital wasteland as lawless and dangerous as possible to prevent rebuilding. They’re whole ideology could have been like “People are naturally violent and will fight amongst themselves over the slightest difference. Do you really think civilization can thrive in an even worse world after the war? We keep the people divided to keep them safe. To ensure that the Great War never happens again.” That 100% would have made a better and more understandable villain than the enclave.
It's funny to look back at comments like these after they nuked NCR in the tv show because vault tec is that powerful as it turns out. They really just want fallout to be only post apocalypse with no society huh (except for the cool armor guys and the evil cool armor guys)
The thing about FNV (and any Obsidian game really) is that if you removed all the graphics, gunplay, sound effects and just turned the game into a text adventure it would STILL be fun.
DJ Weapon speaking of caps I find it odd how your main character never has the chance to find out about caps after exiting the Vault. Like he just knows what caps are. It's such a small part of the game but it always bugged me.
There is an explanation for the caps being currency, although I'm not sure which game explained it. The Brotherhood of Steel destroyed the gold reserves of NCR in the BoS-NCR war, so they had to go back to the bottlecaps (backed by water instead of gold) and abandon new dollars. That's why caps are money in New Vegas. I'm not sure why caps are money in East Coast, maybe they just adopted bottlecaps because they were shiny. Most people are idiots in Bethesda's games after all.
Yeah I know about the whole NCR-BoS war and them destroying the Republic's gold reserves. That's why NCR paper money is worth less than caps. Its the East coast 'idiots' as you put it that use caps is what gets me.
That's actually pretty much their plan for how they come up with quests and such. One guy says a cool idea, then he writies it, wether or not he is a good writer.
I don't mind Todd but Emil Pagliarulo really fucked up the writing, Fallout ain't just about shooting and looting, it's about the characters, the morality of factions and people, creating your own story and having no limits when it comes to role playing, and this is exactly why I prefer Obsidian
True. Fallout's leitmotif was always about civilisation rebuilding after an apocalypse. That's why locations, an secondary element of RPGs were the subject of the gameplay and characters and story also revolved around locations.
RunawayGerm531 if we're talking about the RPG-side of things then New Vegas is still just a mere shell of a game compared to Fallout 2. Sure it hasnt aged well so i totally understand if people cant be bothered, but if you feel like giving it a try then prepare to have your mind blown.
There's something that I noticed... In NV, when I go back to places I already explored and killed all enemies... Usually the enemies are still dead. It's still empty. Sure, there's enemies that respawn over times; but I feel like not as many compared to 3. And don't even get me *STARTED* on 4 and its "go fetch this thing in the same building you already looted yesterday. I know you already fetched it yesterday, but it will give you more XP."
Mate, they invented Fallout ;) Though back then they were known as "Black Isle Studios" which were the dev division of Interplay. They went bankcrupt and some former members founded Obsidian Entertainment. A little history lesson :)
I don't think he retconned it at all, all he talks about is you delivering a package to the great divide and it's your responses that shape how much of an impact it left on your character. All it establishes is that your job was a courier
Morrowind is the game that really showed what Bethesda could have become in the RPG market. It had amazing lore, interesting characters, beautiful music, beautiful locations, and while the combat could be improved, I have lost hundreds of hours to Morrowind. But, I think Todd Howard's design philosophy changed by Oblivion and that's when Bethesda fell.
Whenever there is a discussion about the pros and cons of fo3, 4, and NV, someone always feels the need to say "why all the hate for Bethesda? I love all the games like a REAL fan". Being critical isn't a bad thing! If we don't say anything fallout 5 will be a rail shooter, or worse, another cookie-cutter mmo.
the reason people say it is because of loud the obsidian fan boys are in the comments for every single video. we get it, you hate Bethesda. it just gets frustrating
Fallout new vegas was way more creative, it had random encounters, hidden places all over the place, interesting story, decisions make a difference, overall a well balanced game
Dwight I agree with everything BUT I don't recall any "random" encounters, as in randomly generated in New Vegas. FO3 (and 4) have trigger points in the wasteland where one of generated events will appear. NV only has set encounters at certain triggers. Granted they feel random at first, but after a couple plays it feels less like a roll dice then it did it in 3 (and even 4, even though the mods are the only redeemable factor.)
Nameless Goon in technicality they're not random however playing it the first three times you wouldn't know this hence why I'd say they're random enough
FNV has no random encounters that aren't just factions coming to warn you, reward you, or kill you. Those barely count as random encounters as they are only "random" in the fact that they may happen at random times.
It's wild to hear Bethesda just confirm every complaint anyone has ever had about them in their own trailer. "We don't understand Fallout and don't respect the franchise or it's fans." ... "We don't understand character development or what makes an rpg interesting." ... "Wanna go on a fetch quest for an item?? 😃" ... "Hey, GUNS!!! DID YOU KNOW THERE'S GUNS??? Also we don't understand how guns work." ... And last but not least, "We are totally convinced that we are all geniuses and the coolest people in any room, even though 90% of people who like us struggle to reach triple digit IQs."...
Fallout 3: "It's my big decision. Am I gonna help this people or do my own thing?" Also Fallout 3: Sorry. You're only siding the Brotherhood of Steel. Wanna join the Enclave? Not gonna happen. Decide you just wanna end all life in the Capital Wasteland? Errr... That's not gonna happen... But you can blow up a nuclear warhead in some town though...
Really? Guns is what Bethesda tried to do well? Bethesda doesn't even have that going for them. In Fallout 3, the hunting rifle fires a 32 caliber pistol round. In Fallout 4, the combat "rifle" fires a 45. ACP round. The assault rifle is water cooled. The "default" hunting rifle has a pistol grip. Don't even try to figure out how the combat shotgun is supposed to work. Putting aside that Bethesda actually knows nothing about how guns work (unlike Obsidian), they also put fewer base weapons into the game, and took out different ammo types. This, coupled with the fact that the modding system makes all of the weapons feel the same, means that while the actual gunplay in F4 is more advanced, the process of finding and using new weapons becomes a lot less exciting.
true that and why would they remove different ammo types when it was clearly a great system and could have easily been included as an optional thing except out of spite that new vegas was better than fallout3
mongorians22 Exactly the reason I have a small aneurysm every time I hear someone say Fallout 4 has better combat. This on top of their uninspired, hack and slash, ripped-from-Skyrim melee system.
Compared to FNV, yeah, F4 does have better combat. But in the grand scheme of things, its actually sub-standard for 2015. But the plethora of options in how you approach a situation including combat? FNV has this in spades.
"Fallout and the Elder Scrolls are our children." ...But wait, Bethesda made it strictly impossible to kill children in Fallout and the Elder Scrolls. Why are they trying to kill their children?!
Then why does Obsidian decide to lazily add M4's and M16's in a 40's inspired game? Say what you want about Bethesda, they did great with the art style.
@@negativezero8174 a parody of the 50's, not inpired on the 40's, there is a difference, the game got inspired by parodies of those years, for that reason you have ton of nuclear shit, lik the plasma guns or laser guns. People on those years thoug we would had those guns, and more stuff with nuclear power.
@@negativezero8174 News flash dumbass Fallout 2 has stuff like the FN FAL, P90 and Pancor Jackhammer. You’re deluded like Bethesda thinking that the universe never progressed from the 1950’s when actually it’s supposed to be what people in the 1950’s would think what the future would look like.
It's ironic obsidians game's theme is greed then after Bethesda saw they had a better game they are keeping the series to themselves and not letting obsidian have another chance.
At this rate I doubt another Fallout game will ever be made. Due to the vocal majority I don't think Zenimax will approve another installment. So many are saying that Fallout 4 was a failure and say they won't buy another installment. Since the Fallout IP has way too much potential I don't see them trying to sell it either. This is why I believe the Creation Club was implemented to see if they could find a new way to continue making money from the Fallout IP, but seeing as the vocal majority has again denounced it I don't think we'll be seeing any new additions to that either. They already began rolling out discounts and even sold some of the CC content for free. Its a sign that the Fallout franchise will more then likely be shelved in the coming years. I don't suspect a new installment will come for at least 10 years, and that's if we're lucky.
Bethesda really need to hire actual writers rather than quest directors and programmers. CD Project Red had 5 professional thriller authors for the Witcher 3 where as Bethesda have none in Fallout 4.
SilverCorrosion which is why I have a lot of faith in CDPR for the future. They've seen that good writers(emphasis on WRITERS)=good game. That lesson won't be forgotten for a while
I would prefer a remaster over a new game. Obsidian is not what it used to be. Even Chris Avellone questions their ability to take on a big project like this. The thing is, Bethesda could make a good Fallout game. The biggest problem is their mentality. Everything has to be like one of their previous games. Just like F4 can be seen as Skyrim with guns and Fallout references.
If I recall the beginning slog through New Vegas is almost necessary and feels very linear. I feel as if New Vegas only opens up once you get to Freeside. Mean while in Fallout 3 I felt as if the world was more open and you could easily be distracted from the main quest as soon as you arrive at Megaton since the game only pushed you in a direction vs a path. However, that is my main gripe with New Vegas when it comes to world design.
If you really listen to how Bethesda talked about fallout 3 they talked like they reinvented the wheel and are coming from it from the point of like they made fallout 1 and 2 and this is just their third game when that's not the case at all. When you frame it like you're the ones that originally made the series even though that's not the case yeah all the things in three makes sense with how different they feel and how lore breaking some things are.
Bethesda doesn't even do the guns right you only have a handful of weapons in fallout 3 and 4 in New Vegas there is actually unique weapons and a good variety.
Fallout 3 isn't that great, especially compared to the others in the franchise, but god damn: Bethesda had a lot of passion pouring into it. It may not have been put in the right places (passion) but they had it, no doubt. If I remember correctly, over 90% of the concept art for Fallout 3 was by Adam Adamowicz, except like two or three digitally painted landscapes. Adam's artwork is really stunning and it feels like I'm playing a really zany, comic book-esquire spin off video game by him more so than a true to lore obsidian style game. (RIP Adam Adamowicz) TL;DR Pros of FO3 - Art direction and relative innovation for the franchise Cons - Horrendous main story and sometimes limited character choices (Okay, maybe a lot) Pros of NV - way better story and original creators touches Cons - ...Ulysses was annoying, I guess.
Nameless Goon I found the world of Fallout 3 geographically more interesting (I just fucking hate deserts) however, New Vegas felt way more alive, due to that player choice, quest writing, and it still provided many unique locations. I began to like the world of New Vegas way more after playing it a bit, getting over my hatred of deserts. It sounds funny, but it really goes to show how far player choice goes, and I really hope it's more of a primary focus for Bethesda in the future. Fallout 4 felt very restricting pretty frequently, when it came to approaching a situation with different angles and paths.
Ulysses was a character made to call you out on your bullshit and deconstruct the idea of the blank slate. I really liked him, especially since he kinda feels like he could be a player character in his own game.
Can Bethesda replace Todd Howard and Emil Pagliarulo already please! Those guys are doing an awful job creating RPGs, but a great job ruining their IP's. edit: and don't forget Pete Hines, that slimey, treacherous & greedy guy!
It's unfortunate that Obsidian is still too unorganized to take on a big project like a new Fallout game. Pillars of Eternity saved them from having to close the studio. They still rely on crowdfunding for their games. Bethesda would never let them develop a new Fallout game in this state. I have serious doubts that things will get better. Chris Avellone isn't really on good terms with Bethesda or Obsidian at this point and he is one of the reasons why Fallout 2 and NV are seen as the best in the series.
Avellone is working on so much shit right now it would be surprising to find out he's even on a new Fallout by Obsy, as a freelancer nonetheless. He's probably hard on coke btw
That is true, though after the successful crowdfunding of Pillars of Eternity, Obsidian announced this year that they will stop developing Armored Warfare and give back that IP to Illfonic. It's also the fact that Obsidian is a completely independent game developer that has worked with multiple publishers(including Bethseda) for decades. Obsidian is also probably avoiding Bethseda for publishing due to the 18 month deadline on New Vegas and how they almost didn't get paid due to such deadline. Chris Avellone left to work with inXile Enterainment, which developed Wasteland 2 two years ago. Both Obsidian and InXile are pretty close friends apparently but going through Bethseda's owned Fallout again would be almost masochistic due to how Bethseda has treated Obsidian with New Vegas.
they arent *organized* its publishers fucking up their contract half way or midway through development. obsidian was making an unreleased game called stormlands for microsoft, gave them budgeting, then back out and cancelled out the project. these guys can make video games, if it werent those pesky blood leech publishers.
Bethesda's design philosophy literally couldn't be more wrong for fallout. It wouldn't be so bad if they understood the series themes and had Decent writers but if fallout 4 is anything to go by it's just going to clash worse and worse thematically with each game and the canon is going to become even more fucked with each bethesda entry. EDIT: 1 month later, for being so obsessed with guns and gunplay fallout 3s gunplay turned out horrible. Also 3/4s weapon selection is embarrassingly small (especially 4s) Also 4s damage calculation system is a MASSIVE downgrade from New Vegas.
I honestly wanna say that they'll learn from the mistakes of Fallout 4 and make a game more focused on the story, I really love the gunplay in fallout 4 and I think it's perfect, but we REALLY need our RP back into our G
Yeah, hate to burst your bubble, Knobbler, but based on the release of the Creation Club, I think they're getting more and more out of touch with reality.
I know Fallout is supposed to be about writing but I'd prefer it if they would just focus on depth. Fallout 4 has no depth, whatsoever. That is my biggest issue with the game.
Blah blah fucking blah. Fallout 3 was a masterpiece of its time and just because Fallout 4 wasn't the series favourite doesn't mean its cool to say Bethesda are bad for the series. You know what, fuck it, if it wasn't for Bethesda you'd still be playing the frigging dos games.
I would not deny how important Bethseda modernized Fallout to the general public of gaming, but what Bethseda has done with Fallout 4 and the implementation of the Creation Club, not to mention the ongoing bastardization of Skyrim and its not-so-subtle reliance with the modding communities of their games, Bethseda can handle the flak. Heck, they deserved flak for putting Horse Armor as a paid DLC in Oblivion, and now they're literally done the same thing with the "Horse Armor Power Armor" for Fallout 4, as if it's a nod of success of Horse Armor in Oblivion. Good idea to put your failure onto another pedestal that already people hate.
basicly - bethesda -heres a game that limits u in just about in evrything BUT we got a lot of guns ! Obsidian - heres a game with choiec for you to make , good story , and interesting characters .... ohhand we have more guns and theyr more fun . :)
actually we dont even get a lot of guns. fallout3 sucks just as hard as fallout4 in terms of variety of weapons. Meanwhile new vegas greatly improved on the gunplay in fallout3 and included ammo types, mods and a decent variety of weapon classes and unique weapons.
I love how the music dramatically changes. It's just so fun watching Obsidian with a calm music and chill music. And then Bethesda with this rock music.
Didnt want to step on thier fiction?! They stepped on it the same way a tank steps on a soda can with the subtlety of said tank driving though your living room they wanted to make it seem like they made the first 2 haha i dont remember the first 2 giving you power armour and deathclaws within an hour nor do i remember the dialogue options in the first 2 a matter of "yes" "yes" "erm no but yes anyway" or " i dont want to but yes"
Fallout 3 i think wouldve made 10 times more sense if it was set either the same time as fallout 1 of between 1 and 2. Obviously the brotherhood and super mutants would complicate that though
Weird how I am seeing so many videos about Obsidian and New Vegas. Almost makes me hope it is guerilla marketing to build interest in them and their IPs
David Seneder No it just the dumb shit youtube losers still bitching about Bethesda because it gets them clicks. No matter how much they whine about Fallout 4, the next Fallout game will never be as good as they want it to be. It's because of this pussified generation that Half-Life 3 will never be made.
SevenStarSamurai thinking you're getting a game based off the core gameplay of previous games in the series is not entitlement, it's purchasing logic. The whole reason the new games are called fallout is to associate them with a series of good RPGs, so expecting them to have similarly good RPG elements is right, because that's what it's advertised as.
Lazy Poo Yet the transition from what Fallout 1 and 2 was as an "RPG" had already begun with Interplay who had already changed it into action RPG and wanted to make it into an MMO so I'm very sure the Fallout "fanbase" could already tell they weren't getting that back in 1999 and it's pure stupidity to think that Bethesda would just outright copy or continue Obsidian's style of Fallout since a good number of reviewers at the time NV was released felt like it was just an expansion instead of a standalone game. It's easy to go back now and compare the two say NV is more of a Fallout game than Fallout 4, but who was saying New Vegas was a true Fallout game back when it was released? Noone was. It was Fallout done in Bethesda's style and hardly anyone gave any notice to Obsidian being part of the development team and who Obsidian even was and New Vegas didn't have this "love" then that it does now, so to say that people were expecting this so called "core" gameplay is incorrect. I would say that Bethesda's success with TES:V Skyrim gave them the confidence that they could add a more personal story to the Fallout series that fans of Fallout 3,NV, and more importantly TES would enjoy. Have you seen any youtuber bitch about Skyrim and "player choice" 6 years later or the fact that you're the Dragonborn? If so, link it. So yeah I'd say it's entitled butthurt crybabies who would bitch about anything and everything like how some still bitch about not being able to kill kids in Fallout. Now tell me how that part of the "core" gameplay would fare in today's society when GTA is the centerpiece for VG violence and the overused clip of your character killing a hooker and getting the money back? With all the school shootings over the years all over the world and VG being the sole reason for this and gamers classified as being worse than Isis and Nazi's do you think the "core" gameplay of killing kids should be used? More reasons to make gamers look like pieces of shit, basement dwelling losers, and hatefull racist cunts.
While obsidian obviously is better I think a game that’s a collaboration between the 2 development studios and given a long time to cook could balance out the rpg and writing quality of obsidian and a lot of the fun exploration, set pieces and gunplay of Bethesda’s stuff
Can everyone calm down? Hush for a moment and let me tell you all what would be real nice Bethesda on world design ID on shooter elements Obsidian on Roleplaying elements And alas, the perfect mix of a shooter rpg.
To be honest, Bethesda's world design is boring, especially Fallout 3. They had spammed metro tunnels, copy paste buildings, and generic countryside. New Vegas had a desert with a quarry mine, multiple independent communities, NCR bases, pillaged towns...etc. it was a desert filled with hidden goodies. Obsidian literally drove to the Mojave desert just so they could make the desert.
I know people tend to get very heated about these two companies, but thank you for making these because it really highlights the difference in style and taste either company is going for in their product.
Well of course Bethesda and Obsidian would have a noticeable creative difference. Not only are they two separate companies, but this video just points out how Bethesda had to face a lot of obstacles and complexities when transitioning from fallout 2 to fallout 3. Obsidian had more freedom and thus had the ability to make a "better game" (don't get me wrong, FONV is my favorite by far). Todd Howard even mentioned how they had to compensate for the switch from melee to gun combat (oblivion to FO3). It discredits the entire additional universe Bethesda helped create with fallout by saying Bethesda can't make a great game. They can just like obsidian, and they also opened the gates for a wonderful franchise.
From what i can understand Bethesda seem focusing on the world and obsidian is on the player side. Its good for both of them those two aspect is the key for fallout franchise for me, but when i play fallout 3 i just dont like the colour palette that's all for fallout 3 world for me. I just hope some day Bethesda working with Obsidian to make franchise return to its former glory.
My only issue with Bethesda fo3/skyrim are the followers. They are lifeless shells. He obsidian gave me the character stories I wanted. To bad their games are too broken for me to fully enjoy. I prefer the FO4 followers above the other games even the really annoying ones.
Obsidian: we do not want to make an FPS we want to make a game with RPG elements and that the player controls his own story and has several options for it. Bethesda: *pew pew pew pew* we are a New call of duty but open world *pew pew pew gun gun gun pew pew pew pew* money *pew pew pew* ah and some RPG elements but *pew pew pew*
New Vegas: [Intelligence 100/100] Yes indeed no one will argue that this is undoubtedly true statement. "Fallout" 4: No Nah Nope No or Pay for the mod which will fix our shit.
Campbell Bolton-Hampton Generic Concurrent Reply, Followed by Aggressive, impuning opinion regarding Bethesda, prompting someone write "woah, broah, calm down, chill." To which I will respond with "Your Mama" resulting in an insulting, opulent death threat comprised of colourful language conjuring nightmarish imagery... causing my nipples to twitch with a peculiar, yet exhilarating sense of fear... enthralling my synapses to shut down long enough for me to reply with "I know you are but what am I?", there is a brief moment of suspended tension and tense suspension... Afterwards they begin to delete all replies out of frustration, mild fear and insecurity, whilst I do the same and relay the entire conversation in one comment, to my generic avail as I recieve as many as two likes. A momentous victory, the best 45 minutes of my pathetic existence.
Obsidian: We want to make a engaging, interesting and general well rounded RPG with a good feeling melee and gunplay, that also has alot of options to choose and combine. Bethesda: LOOK, AWESOME EXPLODING BODYPARTS AND GUNS GUNS GUNS EVERYWHERE. EXPLORE, KILL, DESTROY. Besides, New Vegas had better guns and gunplay.
FO3 was bleaker than NV, but NV was darker. Not the overall story of NV but the side quest & characters. The east coast of fallout is grim, it is a literal wasteland. the west has come a long way since FO1 & 2 and it shows.
What Bethesda excels in: World design, world building, VISUAL STORY TELLING, attention to detail, atmosphere What Obsidian excels in: Story, choices within quests, NPC character designs + stories, the way factions work, cHOICES
People always insult bethesda specifically todd and pete. But let me tell you something. Those guys actually care about the games they make and market. Bethesda could have morrowind tear quality in the games they make if it wasn't for emil. Emil is a manipulative psychopath that forces todd to do his bidding. I remember i was sitting in on a usual saturday design overview meeting during the development of skyrim. Todd and emil was there discussing changing the combat system (Small stuff like animation and flow). Todd had this great idea to totally revamp the design of combat changing the entire system. He had pretty much everyone at the table agreeing until emil jumped in insulting the idea. Oh todd that would take too long!, Oh todd don't you want to make it simpler for more sales?!, Cmon guys since when has todd had a good idea. He totally changed everyones opinion. The dude is insane i swear. Todd try's to lift the spirits and overall moral of the team so they can increase productivity. But it's hard to when emil rules over new employees with an iron fist. Me and todd we're working out in the gym one day, We had just started a few weeks before and had made some good progress. Then fat emil walks in and starts subtly insulting me and todd. Of course we didn't think anything of it. Soon after emil comes in starts working out with us trying to hurt himself lifting 35 pound weights.
The thing is that they only liked and somewhat respected Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 when they developed Fallout 3. Saying it's a "retro 50s world" sounds awful to me, like trying to simplify it as much as they can
Fallout 3 is a story that Bethesda came up with based on the themes of the original Fallout's? Did I hear that right? The first 2 Fallout games both have many themes floating around as they explore the post apocalypse setting they created, but generally speak each of them focuses on one major theme with the others being relegated to more minor roles. Fallout 1's primary theme is about how no matter the situation Humanity will fight and struggle against each other, but that is what makes humanity so resilient. No matter where you go there are always conflicting groups pushing against each other from the micro scale of Killian and Gizmo of Junktown all the way up to the macro scale of The Master's Army vs. every other human/ghoul in the Wasteland. Also it's about the struggle of getting pure water in a post apocalypse but that's really more a catalyst of the setting than a theme. Fallout 2's primary theme is about how humanity will forcibly separate itself into groups even when the differences are minuscule in order to create conflict between each other. You see it in Vault City's segregation of non-Vault Citizens and their immense hatred of Ghouls, you see in Broken Hills how Marcus and some other Super Mutants realized trying to fight with humans was pointless and in Vault 13 how the intelligent Deathclaws were able to live peacefully with humans that accepted them. Then the Enclave's insane plan comes in where they are actually going to commit genocide against the entire country for being "mutants" using a modified virus that attacks the irrelevant genetic differences between them and the Enclave. Also you find a GECK. Fallout 3's is about finding a GECK to get pure water. Also the President of the Enclave wants to use a modified virus to commit genocide against the "mutants" of the Wasteland. Real original there guys. Not only is it a direct copy of elements from Fallout 1 and 2, it's only the surface level elements at that, completely missing the underlying themes. Granted Fallout 3 does sort of have a theme about how people will all fight to accomplish the same thing just to say they did it first and have control of it, but it kind of feels like that's incidental because no one in the game ever mentions it or even slightly hints at it, it's just sorta what ends up happening between the Enclave, your dad, and the BoS.
I'm so confused on why people have to hate on any of these games, they are all great. All this video did is show how bethesda had to make the engine both of them run on, and having to overcome the issues with the two game genres clashing. Then how obsidian had to change it up and build upon what they made to create their own game. whats the issue with either. Everyone needs to calm down and just enjoy games for what they are.
Bethesda bought out a franchise and gutted it from many of it's core defining traits, while NV put player choice and ethics in the center of their design ideology, more like the older games. And you wonder why people hate?
Same here, exactly the reason why I LOVED using the soundtrack in my videos. The developer, Techland, is a good example of great developers too, as of right now they are still actively supporting Dying Light by releasing dev kits and all kinds of stuff.
Both companies have good ideas, but they're focusing on different aspects. Bethesda wants to make the more "actiony" parts of the game more fun, to improve things like gunplay, while Obsidian wants to stress player choice and writing. What we need is a game where Bethesda focuses on the nuts and bolts of making gameplay advancements for an RPG, but Obsidian looks after things like story, worldbuilding, dialogue, and player choice. I mean, can you imagine New Vegas in the Fallout 4 engine? That game would be amazing.
BGS used the shooter aspect like this. "Think we can make a shooter? Yes? Okay, GUNS! BLOOD! GORE! Because that's shooters right?" Obsidian was more so actually thinking of the shooter aspect but also staying true to what a fallout story should be like.
It's absolutely true. There are more of them than there are those of us who didn't love it, too. I enjoyed it as what it was, while lamenting its failure to deliver on the Fallout front, but the latest disposable pop music act will always be wildly popular - that's the point. Of course I'll hate it and wish most people had better taste but let's not allow ourselves to think the inferior product isn't beloved. And no, I have no problem presenting my preferences as objective. None whatsoever, I tell ya.
I love how Todd has an ultrawide monitor and their games still don't support them without tweaks and mods
Ultra wide monitors are only useful workstations though.
No they are not, playing games is a blast. You really get sucked in to the field of view.
It helps with video and sound editing since you have a bigger area for the timeline.
This has always bugged me. The first time I saw Todd using Ultrawide I got mad as hell because of the letterboxing and that he didn't care enough to just fix it
Same like Obsidian lul
Wait really? You need a mod to play on wide monitors
Notice how much Bethesda talked about weapons and exploration while Obsidian focused on player choice. That is the key difference between the 2 companies. For Bethesda, the worlds they make are their worlds. But for Obsidian, the worlds they make are the player's world.
Bethesda needs to hire some better writers, their games would improve drastically if they did.
Honestly, I would be so glad if they worked with Obsidian for a Fallout game. They make the world, Obsidian makes the combat work, the story work... basically the only thing Bethesda would be doing is coming up with new gun ideas (they seem to like that anyway) and creating the ruined world the story would be based in.
I love the Capital Wasteland, more than I love New Vegas' setting, but story-wise 3 is inferior and the gameplay was a touch weaker, although very similar (outside of player choice).
New DM vs Experienced DM
They need to hire writers period, they don't have dedicted story or quest writers, so the same guys programing everyhing are the same ones writing it.
What Bethesda excels in: World design, world building, VISUAL STORY TELLING, attention to detail, atmosphere
What Obsidian excels in: Story, choices within quests, NPC character designs + stories, the way factions work, cHOICES
It's a small thing, but even the background music feels telling of the developers. Bethesda has a more "edgy" feel to it. It sounds like it's trying to be cool and "with the times."
Obsidian has a more down to earth sounding track. More "home-y" and relaxed.
I love how Bethesda has apparently made a build just to test the guns, yet the final game had probably the worst gun handling at the time, with weapons that felt more like unresponsive magical staffs summoning bullets, no aiming down sights and a horribly inaccurate crosshair. Not only has New Vegas improved the gun combat by a mile, they've also added special melee attacks to try and make close combat more than two guys awkwardly spamming fast hits until one drops like a rag doll.
Fallout 3 is unplayable without an iron sights mod on PC. At least I refused to play it without that mod.
And even after I played it, it wasn't the big shit everyone was talking about, I just finished the main storyline and that's it, didn't even bothered completing the DLC's. I don't remember anything else about Fallout 3 anymore, except the part where you're a baby and grow up in the Vault, that's my favorite part, tbh.
New Vegas even had more guns than Fallout 3
Don't answer that, a retorical question
Bethesda: ugghhh Green super mutants are the orcs and they are monsters i guess. They just yell a whole lot.
Obsidian: Super mutants are victims of war and are traumatized trying to figure out their place.
Another example to confirm what everyone knows, Bethesda just wants to make a generic blow them up game nad theyre bringing down fallout with them
And this is why I love New Vegas more.
Zurgo Pussysmasher f3 was great in its world, imo opinion almost the best open world to date if it added more places of interest like megaton, but Vegas made a far lesser open world more important and mean something. You can blow up megaton in f3, it changes the PLACE that was there. You set nukes on the ncr or legion in vegas, there's impact on the WORLD
Obsidian: "We would like to give the player a wide variety of choices to make before get head right first into a fist full of enemies and not into combat but in other situations the player goes through."
Bethesda: "GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS rpg elements GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS."
pow pow pow!
8:32
Rusty Shovel Because that's what sells, i.e. Call of Duty, Overwatch, PUBG, Destiny, Fallout 4(love or hate it), TC: Rainbow Six Siege, Doom.... see the pattern? If the majority had actually gave a shit about New Vegas it would have sold way more than it did and Obsidian wouldn't have resorted to Kickstarter to survive. Oh and now it comes out Microsoft cancelled another title that just happened to have Obsidian working on it which seems to be the norm with Obsidian and well what Black Isle Studios dealt with, cancellation after cancellation. Seems to me a "triple A developer" like Obsidian wouldn't suffer so much if they were truly this beloved. Truth is the majority of gamers don't give a shit about New Vegas, only losers who bang their dick's and elbows on their keyboard in anger because they have no life period. It's sad pathetic gamers who still whine and bitch about Bethesda and Fallout 4 that give gamers a bad name, grow up and get the fuck over it like a man and quit acting like little whiny pussies.
I see no melee or unarmed, which is accurate. Only five unarmed weapons (all attack the same slow one handed attack) and at max unarmed a critical paralyzing palm in power armor makes you default pose and not attack. Unarmed bonuses don't apply half the time in power armor with arm mods too. Criticals are based off of VATS which are unusable in power armor. Even if you block enemy attacks they recover fast enough that you can't counter them, forcing VATS usage (no Scribe Counter). Thanks Bethesda.
No pushy, no two step goodbye, no ballistic fist, no greased lightning, no special learnable moves aside from crit, nothing fun or interesting.
Angkasa Studio 'call of duty ' 8:37 he thinks that fallout is a call of duty like
Omg todd
SevenStarSamurai
1. Were talking about both companies views not how well it sold.
2. How did Fallout 4 give gamers a bad name
3. FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCK YOU TO SIR FUCKINGTON.
4. If you love Fallout 4 so much than shut up and play it.
Fallout 3: Small variety of guns, talks about their guns all day
New Vegas: Has way more guns, talks more about the game and how to approach it.
Bethesda, put down the coke and have a pepsi. Give Sonic Team their coke back
It's funny how it wound up like that and Obsidian didn't even invest their entire time on guns. They also said in interviews what they based their guns off of and why they got implemented.
I think you mean put down the Nuka Cola and have a Sarsaparilla
epicroblox2002 aren't all soft drinks?
Don't despair!! Fallout 4's pipe guns are here to save the day!
Smdh
Obsidian: We want to allow lots of play styles
Bethesda: Guns.
*Guns, but they’re objectively terrible.
So the thing Bethesda chose to focus on ended up falling flat on its face.
They’re so inept I almost feel bad for them.
@@UnityAgainstJewishEvilwtf is that user name
@@UnityAgainstJewishEvilyou do realise revelation 3:9 did not surprisingly speak of jesus' nation, the jews, rather the people thousands of miles away from jesus' homeland who live their life pretending they are jews by going to churches, observing the sabbath on the wrong day etc. christianity was never meant to be bastardized by pagan europeans who celebrate yule and easter and this passage confirms it. So if anyone is the synagogue of satan, i hope this cleared up who.
@@ilayohana3150
Do you like it?
"My idea is to explore more of the world and more of the ethics of a post-nuclear world, not to make a better plasma gun." - Tim Cain
"Hey, violence is funny - let's all just own up to it! Violence done well is fucking hilarious." - Todd Howard
Funny enough, Obsidian _did_ make a better plasma gun. By introducing weapon customization and attachments and allowing us to *aim down sights.*
Violence, like a fart, can be made funny. But a Todd Howard game shitting it's pants at each step is not funny.
Black Isle itself made a better plasma. In the very first game. In how you can get a Winchester P94 upgraded to the Winchester P94 turbo.
But his point isn't that he didn't want there to be a better plasma gun available. It's that the main focus of the game isn't to get one.
@@Banzay27 While still having a better one". Exactly, The choice is there but it's not the main focus.
i mean he's right, and fallout's violence is kinda funny. but gta is much better
All I am hearing from Bethesda is "waaah, Call of Duty". And this is what Fallout 4 is. They got their wish.
georgetm2 "Call of Duty ninja master"
Call of Duty : Minecraft Edition
georgetm2 Bethesda lost after morrowind, and obsidian is not great either
TheDazzler420 but all the Obsidion games I have played have been fantastic. Stick of truth, New Vegas, Pillars of eternity, ect...
TheDazzler420 you only have bad taste
Once New Vegas came out, I never touched Fallout 3 again.
Similarly, if Obsidian gets to make a new Fallout with the Fallout 4 engine, I'll never touch Fallout 4 again either.
The same happened to me, even if I played fallout 3 first.
That statement is superficial and shallow.
ZeLunatic of memes
Yeah, I had 2 Fallout 3 playthroughs and when I got my hands on Fallout New Vegas, I never finished my 3rd Fallout 3 playthrough.
3yrs later: Outer Worlds...
" things have actually gotten WORSE. Society hasn't progressed."
That is not how you fucking write a fallout game after Fallout 2 literally has entire nations that exist and are PROGRESSING AND EXPANDING.
I just thought of that, in the first two fallouts we had cities that were created with the remains of the past ones, society is expanding. Sandy Shades literally became the NCR, and that little town was built from nothing. It triggered me.
@@nebushenx I honestly wish there was a secret faction like 4’s institute that kept the capital wasteland as lawless and dangerous as possible to prevent rebuilding. They’re whole ideology could have been like “People are naturally violent and will fight amongst themselves over the slightest difference. Do you really think civilization can thrive in an even worse world after the war? We keep the people divided to keep them safe. To ensure that the Great War never happens again.” That 100% would have made a better and more understandable villain than the enclave.
@@wafflecon6029 I actually like your idea, it sounds great!
pissed me off even more when they said they wanted to stay true to the original fallout games.
It's funny to look back at comments like these after they nuked NCR in the tv show because vault tec is that powerful as it turns out. They really just want fallout to be only post apocalypse with no society huh
(except for the cool armor guys and the evil cool armor guys)
The thing about FNV (and any Obsidian game really) is that if you removed all the graphics, gunplay, sound effects and just turned the game into a text adventure it would STILL be fun.
Somewhat fun
I am playing the Sith Lords now and yo're god damn right!
Fallout 3 "We didn't want to step on the old lore"
*Break the lore with fallout 4*
Nice.
They already did with using caps as currency in Fallout 3. Which should've been relegated to the west coast due to water trade.
they raped the lore with f04
DJ Weapon speaking of caps I find it odd how your main character never has the chance to find out about caps after exiting the Vault. Like he just knows what caps are. It's such a small part of the game but it always bugged me.
There is an explanation for the caps being currency, although I'm not sure which game explained it. The Brotherhood of Steel destroyed the gold reserves of NCR in the BoS-NCR war, so they had to go back to the bottlecaps (backed by water instead of gold) and abandon new dollars. That's why caps are money in New Vegas. I'm not sure why caps are money in East Coast, maybe they just adopted bottlecaps because they were shiny. Most people are idiots in Bethesda's games after all.
Yeah I know about the whole NCR-BoS war and them destroying the Republic's gold reserves. That's why NCR paper money is worth less than caps.
Its the East coast 'idiots' as you put it that use caps is what gets me.
Basically Bethesda writers just come up with shit that sounds cool and then try to write a world around it.
It's not a bad plan, they just suck at adapting that way.
"Bethesda writers" HA! Good one!
That's actually pretty much their plan for how they come up with quests and such. One guy says a cool idea, then he writies it, wether or not he is a good writer.
bethesda makes theme parks. lots of small, self contained neat stuff. obsidian always try to make living worlds with player agency.
Weeaboo Supreme they said it themselves 6:04 "we had a build called guns" this just proves that Bethesda is more action than rpg
I don't mind Todd but Emil Pagliarulo really fucked up the writing, Fallout ain't just about shooting and looting, it's about the characters, the morality of factions and people, creating your own story and having no limits when it comes to role playing, and this is exactly why I prefer Obsidian
True.
Fallout's leitmotif was always about civilisation rebuilding after an apocalypse.
That's why locations, an secondary element of RPGs were the subject of the gameplay and characters and story also revolved around locations.
DrIvanRadosivic settlement building lacks any semblance of depth. when compared to what we used to have, what currently we have is not good
-Captain- I played fallout 4 first.. and for me was the best game ever until i played new Vegas... Then i truly knew what is a fallout game
RunawayGerm531 if we're talking about the RPG-side of things then New Vegas is still just a mere shell of a game compared to Fallout 2. Sure it hasnt aged well so i totally understand if people cant be bothered, but if you feel like giving it a try then prepare to have your mind blown.
DrIvanRadosivic Having ANY rpg elements would be nice
There's something that I noticed... In NV, when I go back to places I already explored and killed all enemies... Usually the enemies are still dead. It's still empty. Sure, there's enemies that respawn over times; but I feel like not as many compared to 3.
And don't even get me *STARTED* on 4 and its "go fetch this thing in the same building you already looted yesterday. I know you already fetched it yesterday, but it will give you more XP."
tbh,it looks like obsidian really understand fallout and put their passion into the game
Mate, they invented Fallout ;) Though back then they were known as "Black Isle Studios" which were the dev division of Interplay. They went bankcrupt and some former members founded Obsidian Entertainment. A little history lesson :)
Fallout 3: GUNS GORE AND GLORY
Fallout New Vegas: Unravel your own story. Create immersion in a world of your actions
Papa Eastwood
New Vegas: Lonesome Road - then have Ulysses basically retcon your character's backstory
Nameless Goon True.
I don't think he retconned it at all, all he talks about is you delivering a package to the great divide and it's your responses that shape how much of an impact it left on your character. All it establishes is that your job was a courier
Papa Eastwood Great comment, totally agree, sorry to be a pain: *Your own story.
Fallout new vegas was very creative and so many random and weird things would happen
notice how obsidean talks about the roleplaying elements and the choices.
while bethesda just talks about the guns.
Fallout 3: A shooter with RPG elements
New Vegas: An RPG with shooter elements
Take a shot of whisky every time you hear guns. See you when you wake up from the coma.
IF you wake up
Holy shiteeee!!!
With the Whiskey Rose perk, I'll just become a better shot :p
I saw this a few minutes after you commented, well.... I just woke up.
Morrowind is the game that really showed what Bethesda could have become in the RPG market. It had amazing lore, interesting characters, beautiful music, beautiful locations, and while the combat could be improved, I have lost hundreds of hours to Morrowind. But, I think Todd Howard's design philosophy changed by Oblivion and that's when Bethesda fell.
Whenever there is a discussion about the pros and cons of fo3, 4, and NV, someone always feels the need to say "why all the hate for Bethesda? I love all the games like a REAL fan".
Being critical isn't a bad thing! If we don't say anything fallout 5 will be a rail shooter, or worse, another cookie-cutter mmo.
it will be a card game, online
lgunport fallout 5 will be a text based adventure game with the same four answers to every choice
the reason people say it is because of loud the obsidian fan boys are in the comments for every single video. we get it, you hate Bethesda. it just gets frustrating
renardo3333
This
I don't know, while I prefer 1-NV, I have a soft spot for 3, and a little bit for 4.
Fallout new vegas was way more creative, it had random encounters, hidden places all over the place, interesting story, decisions make a difference, overall a well balanced game
Dwight
I agree with everything BUT I don't recall any "random" encounters, as in randomly generated in New Vegas. FO3 (and 4) have trigger points in the wasteland where one of generated events will appear. NV only has set encounters at certain triggers. Granted they feel random at first, but after a couple plays it feels less like a roll dice then it did it in 3 (and even 4, even though the mods are the only redeemable factor.)
Nameless Goon in technicality they're not random however playing it the first three times you wouldn't know this hence why I'd say they're random enough
I feel ya, Dwight, I feel ya.
FNV has no random encounters that aren't just factions coming to warn you, reward you, or kill you. Those barely count as random encounters as they are only "random" in the fact that they may happen at random times.
zach yes there are other encounters
It's wild to hear Bethesda just confirm every complaint anyone has ever had about them in their own trailer.
"We don't understand Fallout and don't respect the franchise or it's fans." ... "We don't understand character development or what makes an rpg interesting." ... "Wanna go on a fetch quest for an item?? 😃" ... "Hey, GUNS!!! DID YOU KNOW THERE'S GUNS??? Also we don't understand how guns work." ...
And last but not least, "We are totally convinced that we are all geniuses and the coolest people in any room, even though 90% of people who like us struggle to reach triple digit IQs."...
Fallout 3: "It's my big decision. Am I gonna help this people or do my own thing?"
Also Fallout 3: Sorry. You're only siding the Brotherhood of Steel. Wanna join the Enclave? Not gonna happen. Decide you just wanna end all life in the Capital Wasteland? Errr... That's not gonna happen... But you can blow up a nuclear warhead in some town though...
Really? Guns is what Bethesda tried to do well?
Bethesda doesn't even have that going for them. In Fallout 3, the hunting rifle fires a 32 caliber pistol round. In Fallout 4, the combat "rifle" fires a 45. ACP round. The assault rifle is water cooled. The "default" hunting rifle has a pistol grip. Don't even try to figure out how the combat shotgun is supposed to work.
Putting aside that Bethesda actually knows nothing about how guns work (unlike Obsidian), they also put fewer base weapons into the game, and took out different ammo types. This, coupled with the fact that the modding system makes all of the weapons feel the same, means that while the actual gunplay in F4 is more advanced, the process of finding and using new weapons becomes a lot less exciting.
true that and why would they remove different ammo types when it was clearly a great system and could have easily been included as an optional thing except out of spite that new vegas was better than fallout3
mongorians22 Exactly the reason I have a small aneurysm every time I hear someone say Fallout 4 has better combat. This on top of their uninspired, hack and slash, ripped-from-Skyrim melee system.
Compared to FNV, yeah, F4 does have better combat. But in the grand scheme of things, its actually sub-standard for 2015.
But the plethora of options in how you approach a situation including combat? FNV has this in spades.
mongorians22 - I was hooked on New Vegas the first time I saw my character correctly perform SPORTS on a beat up service rifle.
I personally think the dlc in fallout 3 was better than new vegas but besides that new vegas is still the better game
I love how bethesda keep talking about trendy games of the time like COD and gears of war. WHEN THEY ARE MAKING AN "RPG".
"Fallout and the Elder Scrolls are our children." ...But wait, Bethesda made it strictly impossible to kill children in Fallout and the Elder Scrolls. Why are they trying to kill their children?!
*Whap Whap Whap* _Elder Scrolls is unconscious_ *Whap Whap Whap* _Fallout is unconscious_ *Whap Whap* _Elder Scrolls is unconscious_
The difference between Bethesda and Obsidian is that Obsidian is actually creative while Bethesda is not.
Then why does Obsidian decide to lazily add M4's and M16's in a 40's inspired game?
Say what you want about Bethesda, they did great with the art style.
+Negative Zero probably because there is ncr, an army that supplied by the government. so i guess that's why there is a M16 based gun ingame.
You know nothing, filthy casual.
@@negativezero8174 a parody of the 50's, not inpired on the 40's, there is a difference, the game got inspired by parodies of those years, for that reason you have ton of nuclear shit, lik the plasma guns or laser guns.
People on those years thoug we would had those guns, and more stuff with nuclear power.
@@negativezero8174
News flash dumbass Fallout 2 has stuff like the FN FAL, P90 and Pancor Jackhammer. You’re deluded like Bethesda thinking that the universe never progressed from the 1950’s when actually it’s supposed to be what people in the 1950’s would think what the future would look like.
Todd Howard: The Michael Bay of gaming.
Been saying that for years, they even look alike!
I like how for the obsidian trailer it’s smooth jazz to compliment Vegas aesthetic, and then with the Bethesda trailer it’s shitty dubstep hard bass.
It's ironic obsidians game's theme is greed then after Bethesda saw they had a better game they are keeping the series to themselves and not letting obsidian have another chance.
Yup
That's the last thing you wanna say at the white house.
wanna say what?
@@kaelell4697 I don't know that was 6 years ago
@@carlbrown1000 OH RIGHT I REMEMBER “im trying to see what it would look like if it was all blown up”
I love Fallout and it's heartbreaking that I'll never see another character-driven Fallout game.
At this rate I doubt another Fallout game will ever be made. Due to the vocal majority I don't think Zenimax will approve another installment. So many are saying that Fallout 4 was a failure and say they won't buy another installment. Since the Fallout IP has way too much potential I don't see them trying to sell it either. This is why I believe the Creation Club was implemented to see if they could find a new way to continue making money from the Fallout IP, but seeing as the vocal majority has again denounced it I don't think we'll be seeing any new additions to that either. They already began rolling out discounts and even sold some of the CC content for free. Its a sign that the Fallout franchise will more then likely be shelved in the coming years. I don't suspect a new installment will come for at least 10 years, and that's if we're lucky.
@@nizizumi theres a tv show now
Bethesda really need to hire actual writers rather than quest directors and programmers. CD Project Red had 5 professional thriller authors for the Witcher 3 where as Bethesda have none in Fallout 4.
SilverCorrosion which is why I have a lot of faith in CDPR for the future. They've seen that good writers(emphasis on WRITERS)=good game. That lesson won't be forgotten for a while
Lesson won't be forgotten? Hold todd's beer
Fallout 4 writing is atrocious. It makes me so angry.
@@davidhoran7116 haha CDPR
@@OCinneide yep couldn’t have been more wrong
New Vegas is the best Fallout game ever made. They just need to remaster it and update the graphics.
You can mod it.
No, they just need to make a new Fallout. Wtf is wrong with all of those people who want to remaster everything, that's not how remasters should work
Maybe have Obsidian do the story then?
I would prefer a remaster over a new game. Obsidian is not what it used to be. Even Chris Avellone questions their ability to take on a big project like this. The thing is, Bethesda could make a good Fallout game. The biggest problem is their mentality. Everything has to be like one of their previous games. Just like F4 can be seen as Skyrim with guns and Fallout references.
If they remaster it, it must be with the new engine
Fallout 3: Bodyparts everywhere!
Fallout: New Vegas: Basically... we give the players a CHOICE.
it is obvious guys...
If I recall the beginning slog through New Vegas is almost necessary and feels very linear. I feel as if New Vegas only opens up once you get to Freeside. Mean while in Fallout 3 I felt as if the world was more open and you could easily be distracted from the main quest as soon as you arrive at Megaton since the game only pushed you in a direction vs a path.
However, that is my main gripe with New Vegas when it comes to world design.
...you can't be serious.
Love how that guy talked about fallout 3 having gunplay as good as gears of war and a story as deep as a good rpg yet fallout 3 had neither
Shame that Bethesda tries to cover up New Vegas so much. IMO it's the best thing they've published since Todd took control.
If you really listen to how Bethesda talked about fallout 3 they talked like they reinvented the wheel and are coming from it from the point of like they made fallout 1 and 2 and this is just their third game when that's not the case at all. When you frame it like you're the ones that originally made the series even though that's not the case yeah all the things in three makes sense with how different they feel and how lore breaking some things are.
Bethesda doesn't even do the guns right you only have a handful of weapons in fallout 3 and 4 in New Vegas there is actually unique weapons and a good variety.
Fallout 3 isn't that great, especially compared to the others in the franchise, but god damn: Bethesda had a lot of passion pouring into it. It may not have been put in the right places (passion) but they had it, no doubt.
If I remember correctly, over 90% of the concept art for Fallout 3 was by Adam Adamowicz, except like two or three digitally painted landscapes. Adam's artwork is really stunning and it feels like I'm playing a really zany, comic book-esquire spin off video game by him more so than a true to lore obsidian style game. (RIP Adam Adamowicz)
TL;DR
Pros of FO3 - Art direction and relative innovation for the franchise
Cons - Horrendous main story and sometimes limited character choices (Okay, maybe a lot)
Pros of NV - way better story and original creators touches
Cons - ...Ulysses was annoying, I guess.
Nameless Goon I found the world of Fallout 3 geographically more interesting (I just fucking hate deserts) however, New Vegas felt way more alive, due to that player choice, quest writing, and it still provided many unique locations. I began to like the world of New Vegas way more after playing it a bit, getting over my hatred of deserts. It sounds funny, but it really goes to show how far player choice goes, and I really hope it's more of a primary focus for Bethesda in the future. Fallout 4 felt very restricting pretty frequently, when it came to approaching a situation with different angles and paths.
Nameless Goon Ulysses was amaing wtf?
Brendan Dohman Ulysses always seemed like he was my characters ex doing some ill-advised "take me back" stunt
Ulysses was a character made to call you out on your bullshit and deconstruct the idea of the blank slate. I really liked him, especially since he kinda feels like he could be a player character in his own game.
Can Bethesda replace Todd Howard and Emil Pagliarulo already please!
Those guys are doing an awful job creating RPGs, but a great job ruining their IP's.
edit: and don't forget Pete Hines, that slimey, treacherous & greedy guy!
sadly they are making bethesda/zenimax too much money in the process too so no those guys wont be removed (not todd howard anyway)
Zenimax should replace them.
They're making them money. Ask Bethesda to replace them.
"Replace them? Are they making us money? Yes? Well then, I don't understand the question."
Todd is the one I'd save out of this demonic trio. He sounds like a cool guy, I'm sure his views could turn useful under proper guidance.
Fallout 76 has entered the chat
*Gets vaporized by...everything else*
it almost seems like the people who developed Fallout 3 didn't want to make an RPG
Wow the fallout 3 thing was so obnoxious compared to the jazz chilled intellectual New Vegas one.
Best part is Obsidian entertainment was rushed by Bethesda and they still made a better game than they could. Obsidian is op
It's unfortunate that Obsidian is still too unorganized to take on a big project like a new Fallout game. Pillars of Eternity saved them from having to close the studio. They still rely on crowdfunding for their games. Bethesda would never let them develop a new Fallout game in this state. I have serious doubts that things will get better. Chris Avellone isn't really on good terms with Bethesda or Obsidian at this point and he is one of the reasons why Fallout 2 and NV are seen as the best in the series.
Avellone is working on so much shit right now it would be surprising to find out he's even on a new Fallout by Obsy, as a freelancer nonetheless.
He's probably hard on coke btw
Nihilus Obsidian is fine bethesda is fucked though if they keep releasing the same games
Dude, they developed an tank mmo just to stay afloat. I'd say they re not fine.
That is true, though after the successful crowdfunding of Pillars of Eternity, Obsidian announced this year that they will stop developing Armored Warfare and give back that IP to Illfonic.
It's also the fact that Obsidian is a completely independent game developer that has worked with multiple publishers(including Bethseda) for decades. Obsidian is also probably avoiding Bethseda for publishing due to the 18 month deadline on New Vegas and how they almost didn't get paid due to such deadline.
Chris Avellone left to work with inXile Enterainment, which developed Wasteland 2 two years ago. Both Obsidian and InXile are pretty close friends apparently but going through Bethseda's owned Fallout again would be almost masochistic due to how Bethseda has treated Obsidian with New Vegas.
they arent *organized* its publishers fucking up their contract half way or midway through development. obsidian was making an unreleased game called stormlands for microsoft, gave them budgeting, then back out and cancelled out the project. these guys can make video games, if it werent those pesky blood leech publishers.
8:31 “Call of Duty ninja master”~Todd Howard
Bethesda's design philosophy literally couldn't be more wrong for fallout. It wouldn't be so bad if they understood the series themes and had Decent writers but if fallout 4 is anything to go by it's just going to clash worse and worse thematically with each game and the canon is going to become even more fucked with each bethesda entry.
EDIT: 1 month later, for being so obsessed with guns and gunplay fallout 3s gunplay turned out horrible. Also 3/4s weapon selection is embarrassingly small (especially 4s) Also 4s damage calculation system is a MASSIVE downgrade from New Vegas.
I honestly wanna say that they'll learn from the mistakes of Fallout 4 and make a game more focused on the story, I really love the gunplay in fallout 4 and I think it's perfect, but we REALLY need our RP back into our G
Yeah, hate to burst your bubble, Knobbler, but based on the release of the Creation Club, I think they're getting more and more out of touch with reality.
I know Fallout is supposed to be about writing but I'd prefer it if they would just focus on depth.
Fallout 4 has no depth, whatsoever. That is my biggest issue with the game.
Blah blah fucking blah. Fallout 3 was a masterpiece of its time and just because Fallout 4 wasn't the series favourite doesn't mean its cool to say Bethesda are bad for the series. You know what, fuck it, if it wasn't for Bethesda you'd still be playing the frigging dos games.
I would not deny how important Bethseda modernized Fallout to the general public of gaming, but what Bethseda has done with Fallout 4 and the implementation of the Creation Club, not to mention the ongoing bastardization of Skyrim and its not-so-subtle reliance with the modding communities of their games, Bethseda can handle the flak.
Heck, they deserved flak for putting Horse Armor as a paid DLC in Oblivion, and now they're literally done the same thing with the "Horse Armor Power Armor" for Fallout 4, as if it's a nod of success of Horse Armor in Oblivion. Good idea to put your failure onto another pedestal that already people hate.
basicly - bethesda -heres a game that limits u in just about in evrything BUT we got a lot of guns ! Obsidian - heres a game with choiec for you to make , good story , and interesting characters .... ohhand we have more guns and theyr more fun . :)
actually we dont even get a lot of guns. fallout3 sucks just as hard as fallout4 in terms of variety of weapons. Meanwhile new vegas greatly improved on the gunplay in fallout3 and included ammo types, mods and a decent variety of weapon classes and unique weapons.
natty .. it was the forgoten art of sarcasm ....
I love how the music dramatically changes. It's just so fun watching Obsidian with a calm music and chill music. And then Bethesda with this rock music.
Didnt want to step on thier fiction?! They stepped on it the same way a tank steps on a soda can with the subtlety of said tank driving though your living room they wanted to make it seem like they made the first 2 haha i dont remember the first 2 giving you power armour and deathclaws within an hour nor do i remember the dialogue options in the first 2 a matter of "yes" "yes" "erm no but yes anyway" or " i dont want to but yes"
All I took from Todd Howard was "Pow Pow! Call of Duty, Ninja Master!"
And wow he said he wondered what the white house would look like blown up, did he hear himself?
*gets immediately arrested*
Arostm The Coke Head funny too cuz they just made a empty office building instead of having something really interesting.
he was joking ofc
What's the problem with wondering that?
Draza Hmm, I wonder what you would look like if you were dead.
Emil Pagliarulo, when you hear him talk about fallout you see how small his view is of the world is for the game... btw he is the head writter of FO4.
That might explain why both Fallout 4 and 76 have smaller maps than Fallout 3 even though Todd said that 4 was bigger than 3 and 76 was bigger than 4
Fallout 3 i think wouldve made 10 times more sense if it was set either the same time as fallout 1 of between 1 and 2. Obviously the brotherhood and super mutants would complicate that though
"If we execute it well it will find an audience that will make us enough money to do the next game" - Bethesda's new philosofy
In terms of quality comparing Obsidian to Bethesda is like comparing a Bugatti Veyron to a wheelbarrow.
Bethesda: "rpg elements "
You keep using these words.... i do not think it mean what you think it means.
Danghit! Emil Pagliarulo is one of the worst damn writers in game development history.
Why has Bugthesda kept him for so long?
Apparently he's manipulative.
Weird how I am seeing so many videos about Obsidian and New Vegas. Almost makes me hope it is guerilla marketing to build interest in them and their IPs
David Seneder No it just the dumb shit youtube losers still bitching about Bethesda because it gets them clicks. No matter how much they whine about Fallout 4, the next Fallout game will never be as good as they want it to be. It's because of this pussified generation that Half-Life 3 will never be made.
SevenStarSamurai thinking you're getting a game based off the core gameplay of previous games in the series is not entitlement, it's purchasing logic. The whole reason the new games are called fallout is to associate them with a series of good RPGs, so expecting them to have similarly good RPG elements is right, because that's what it's advertised as.
SevenStarSamurai By your logic, being sore that Half Life Three isn't happening is entitlement, because you were never entitled to a third instalment.
Lazy Poo Yet the transition from what Fallout 1 and 2 was as an "RPG" had already begun with Interplay who had already changed it into action RPG and wanted to make it into an MMO so I'm very sure the Fallout "fanbase" could already tell they weren't getting that back in 1999 and it's pure stupidity to think that Bethesda would just outright copy or continue Obsidian's style of Fallout since a good number of reviewers at the time NV was released felt like it was just an expansion instead of a standalone game. It's easy to go back now and compare the two say NV is more of a Fallout game than Fallout 4, but who was saying New Vegas was a true Fallout game back when it was released? Noone was. It was Fallout done in Bethesda's style and hardly anyone gave any notice to Obsidian being part of the development team and who Obsidian even was and New Vegas didn't have this "love" then that it does now, so to say that people were expecting this so called "core" gameplay is incorrect. I would say that Bethesda's success with TES:V Skyrim gave them the confidence that they could add a more personal story to the Fallout series that fans of Fallout 3,NV, and more importantly TES would enjoy. Have you seen any youtuber bitch about Skyrim and "player choice" 6 years later or the fact that you're the Dragonborn? If so, link it. So yeah I'd say it's entitled butthurt crybabies who would bitch about anything and everything like how some still bitch about not being able to kill kids in Fallout. Now tell me how that part of the "core" gameplay would fare in today's society when GTA is the centerpiece for VG violence and the overused clip of your character killing a hooker and getting the money back? With all the school shootings over the years all over the world and VG being the sole reason for this and gamers classified as being worse than Isis and Nazi's do you think the "core" gameplay of killing kids should be used? More reasons to make gamers look like pieces of shit, basement dwelling losers, and hatefull racist cunts.
SevenStarSamurai Here's that link you asked for: ruclips.net/video/uGv52blTgls/видео.html
Fallout 3 should have been set around the same time as Fallout 1, which would have given a reason why it looks like the bombs fell so recently
While obsidian obviously is better I think a game that’s a collaboration between the 2 development studios and given a long time to cook could balance out the rpg and writing quality of obsidian and a lot of the fun exploration, set pieces and gunplay of Bethesda’s stuff
Pete Hines: Me Pete Hines. Me Pete Hines. ME PETE HINES! Me Pete Hines.
Fallout 3: blow stuff up and shoot guns.
Fallout New Vegas: explore and make your own choices.
Can everyone calm down? Hush for a moment and let me tell you all what would be real nice
Bethesda on world design
ID on shooter elements
Obsidian on Roleplaying elements
And alas, the perfect mix of a shooter rpg.
Absolutely nutworthy
dei mejia I don't really like Bethesdas world design honestly. Metro tunnels or nothing interesting in the world.
To be honest, Bethesda's world design is boring, especially Fallout 3. They had spammed metro tunnels, copy paste buildings, and generic countryside. New Vegas had a desert with a quarry mine, multiple independent communities, NCR bases, pillaged towns...etc. it was a desert filled with hidden goodies. Obsidian literally drove to the Mojave desert just so they could make the desert.
Kenneth Chou for me Skyrim was preety neat
Obsidian would have made a better world if they had more time.
I know people tend to get very heated about these two companies, but thank you for making these because it really highlights the difference in style and taste either company is going for in their product.
Well of course Bethesda and Obsidian would have a noticeable creative difference. Not only are they two separate companies, but this video just points out how Bethesda had to face a lot of obstacles and complexities when transitioning from fallout 2 to fallout 3. Obsidian had more freedom and thus had the ability to make a "better game" (don't get me wrong, FONV is my favorite by far). Todd Howard even mentioned how they had to compensate for the switch from melee to gun combat (oblivion to FO3). It discredits the entire additional universe Bethesda helped create with fallout by saying Bethesda can't make a great game. They can just like obsidian, and they also opened the gates for a wonderful franchise.
i love how sawyer smirked when he said that a lot of people liked fallout 3. Sawyer is the best guy.
From what i can understand Bethesda seem focusing on the world and obsidian is on the player side. Its good for both of them those two aspect is the key for fallout franchise for me, but when i play fallout 3 i just dont like the colour palette that's all for fallout 3 world for me. I just hope some day Bethesda working with Obsidian to make franchise return to its former glory.
My only issue with Bethesda fo3/skyrim are the followers. They are lifeless shells. He obsidian gave me the character stories I wanted. To bad their games are too broken for me to fully enjoy. I prefer the FO4 followers above the other games even the really annoying ones.
Obsidian: we do not want to make an FPS we want to make a game with RPG elements and that the player controls his own story and has several options for it.
Bethesda: *pew pew pew pew* we are a New call of duty but open world *pew pew pew gun gun gun pew pew pew pew* money *pew pew pew* ah and some RPG elements but *pew pew pew*
It's not a huge thing but notice the difference between the music. The loud upbeat techno is a bit distracting compared to the low key Vegas music.
Generic comment saying how Obsidian is better.
Undoubtful agreement.
Generic fanboy reply saying how bethesda is the best company ever
New Vegas:
[Intelligence 100/100] Yes indeed no one will argue that this is undoubtedly true statement.
"Fallout" 4:
No
Nah
Nope
No
or Pay for the mod which will fix our shit.
Campbell Bolton-Hampton its because its true
Campbell Bolton-Hampton Generic Concurrent Reply, Followed by Aggressive, impuning opinion regarding Bethesda, prompting someone write "woah, broah, calm down, chill." To which I will respond with "Your Mama" resulting in an insulting, opulent death threat comprised of colourful language conjuring nightmarish imagery... causing my nipples to twitch with a peculiar, yet exhilarating sense of fear... enthralling my synapses to shut down long enough for me to reply with "I know you are but what am I?", there is a brief moment of suspended tension and tense suspension...
Afterwards they begin to delete all replies out of frustration, mild fear and insecurity, whilst I do the same and relay the entire conversation in one comment, to my generic avail as I recieve as many as two likes. A momentous victory, the best 45 minutes of my pathetic existence.
Fallout New Vegas is the real Fallout 3
*drops mic*
Obsidian: We want to make a engaging, interesting and general well rounded RPG with a good feeling melee and gunplay, that also has alot of options to choose and combine.
Bethesda: LOOK, AWESOME EXPLODING BODYPARTS AND GUNS GUNS GUNS EVERYWHERE. EXPLORE, KILL, DESTROY.
Besides, New Vegas had better guns and gunplay.
I like how you make that continue scene, it blends well
FO3 was bleaker than NV, but NV was darker. Not the overall story of NV but the side quest & characters. The east coast of fallout is grim, it is a literal wasteland. the west has come a long way since FO1 & 2 and it shows.
What Bethesda excels in: World design, world building, VISUAL STORY TELLING, attention to detail, atmosphere
What Obsidian excels in: Story, choices within quests, NPC character designs + stories, the way factions work, cHOICES
obsidian knows what an RPG is
Obsidian: Let's do our research and make our game a ROLEPLAY game.
Betheda: GUNS, GUNS, GUNSSSSSSS!
People always insult bethesda specifically todd and pete. But let me tell you something. Those guys actually care about the games they make and market. Bethesda could have morrowind tear quality in the games they make if it wasn't for emil. Emil is a manipulative psychopath that forces todd to do his bidding. I remember i was sitting in on a usual saturday design overview meeting during the development of skyrim. Todd and emil was there discussing changing the combat system (Small stuff like animation and flow). Todd had this great idea to totally revamp the design of combat changing the entire system. He had pretty much everyone at the table agreeing until emil jumped in insulting the idea. Oh todd that would take too long!, Oh todd don't you want to make it simpler for more sales?!, Cmon guys since when has todd had a good idea. He totally changed everyones opinion. The dude is insane i swear. Todd try's to lift the spirits and overall moral of the team so they can increase productivity. But it's hard to when emil rules over new employees with an iron fist. Me and todd we're working out in the gym one day, We had just started a few weeks before and had made some good progress. Then fat emil walks in and starts subtly insulting me and todd. Of course we didn't think anything of it. Soon after emil comes in starts working out with us trying to hurt himself lifting 35 pound weights.
Spinge damn man, thats....
I don't think they cared any about fallout 4. They cared a ton (and still do) about Skyrim.
Almost got me there, lol, trolls are becoming more literate huh? Keep up the good work my man.
Bethesdas graphics and engine + Obsidians writing and variety = THE HOLY RPG
Bethesdas graphics are VERY dated. compared to the red engine, Fallout 4 might aswell be a decade older.
The thing is that they only liked and somewhat respected Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 when they developed Fallout 3. Saying it's a "retro 50s world" sounds awful to me, like trying to simplify it as much as they can
These videos are the most cathartic part of my life
I liked fallout 3, it was my first fallout, but then when i played NV....
Fallout 3 is a story that Bethesda came up with based on the themes of the original Fallout's? Did I hear that right?
The first 2 Fallout games both have many themes floating around as they explore the post apocalypse setting they created, but generally speak each of them focuses on one major theme with the others being relegated to more minor roles.
Fallout 1's primary theme is about how no matter the situation Humanity will fight and struggle against each other, but that is what makes humanity so resilient. No matter where you go there are always conflicting groups pushing against each other from the micro scale of Killian and Gizmo of Junktown all the way up to the macro scale of The Master's Army vs. every other human/ghoul in the Wasteland. Also it's about the struggle of getting pure water in a post apocalypse but that's really more a catalyst of the setting than a theme.
Fallout 2's primary theme is about how humanity will forcibly separate itself into groups even when the differences are minuscule in order to create conflict between each other. You see it in Vault City's segregation of non-Vault Citizens and their immense hatred of Ghouls, you see in Broken Hills how Marcus and some other Super Mutants realized trying to fight with humans was pointless and in Vault 13 how the intelligent Deathclaws were able to live peacefully with humans that accepted them. Then the Enclave's insane plan comes in where they are actually going to commit genocide against the entire country for being "mutants" using a modified virus that attacks the irrelevant genetic differences between them and the Enclave. Also you find a GECK.
Fallout 3's is about finding a GECK to get pure water. Also the President of the Enclave wants to use a modified virus to commit genocide against the "mutants" of the Wasteland. Real original there guys. Not only is it a direct copy of elements from Fallout 1 and 2, it's only the surface level elements at that, completely missing the underlying themes. Granted Fallout 3 does sort of have a theme about how people will all fight to accomplish the same thing just to say they did it first and have control of it, but it kind of feels like that's incidental because no one in the game ever mentions it or even slightly hints at it, it's just sorta what ends up happening between the Enclave, your dad, and the BoS.
I'm so confused on why people have to hate on any of these games, they are all great. All this video did is show how bethesda had to make the engine both of them run on, and having to overcome the issues with the two game genres clashing. Then how obsidian had to change it up and build upon what they made to create their own game. whats the issue with either. Everyone needs to calm down and just enjoy games for what they are.
Bethesda bought out a franchise and gutted it from many of it's core defining traits, while NV put player choice and ethics in the center of their design ideology, more like the older games. And you wonder why people hate?
@@disrupt94 people hate 3 only after NV came out, it's like trying to play gta 3 after san andreas and saying it's shit
@@mahatmaniggandhi2898 I don't care much for contentions that can't be proved either way.
I gotta say, I fucking love the use of Dying Light music in your videos. Keep up the good work.
Gotta love that Dying Light theme, it really is my favorite game soundtrack *in game context
Same here, exactly the reason why I LOVED using the soundtrack in my videos. The developer, Techland, is a good example of great developers too, as of right now they are still actively supporting Dying Light by releasing dev kits and all kinds of stuff.
1:13 dat smirk
Both companies have good ideas, but they're focusing on different aspects. Bethesda wants to make the more "actiony" parts of the game more fun, to improve things like gunplay, while Obsidian wants to stress player choice and writing. What we need is a game where Bethesda focuses on the nuts and bolts of making gameplay advancements for an RPG, but Obsidian looks after things like story, worldbuilding, dialogue, and player choice.
I mean, can you imagine New Vegas in the Fallout 4 engine? That game would be amazing.
Fallout 4 looks like sh*t and I'm tired of people pretending otherwise, lol. That engine is garbage.
@@youforget1000thingsadaythe “next gen update” didnt even add ray tracing and straight up broke the game
Does anyone else get a Michael Scott (the office) vibe from Todd Howard
Hah! bethesda make a call of duty
BGS used the shooter aspect like this. "Think we can make a shooter? Yes? Okay, GUNS! BLOOD! GORE! Because that's shooters right?"
Obsidian was more so actually thinking of the shooter aspect but also staying true to what a fallout story should be like.
Fallout 3 : it's just about guns
"Alot of people loved Fallout 3" *Smirk*
It's absolutely true. There are more of them than there are those of us who didn't love it, too.
I enjoyed it as what it was, while lamenting its failure to deliver on the Fallout front, but the latest disposable pop music act will always be wildly popular - that's the point. Of course I'll hate it and wish most people had better taste but let's not allow ourselves to think the inferior product isn't beloved.
And no, I have no problem presenting my preferences as objective. None whatsoever, I tell ya.
Nevermind, I see now that you were meaning that _he_ smirked, not that your were smirking because it wasn't true.