How to get a cheap Electric car | The ultimate Guide
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Electric cars are expensive, at least for the moment. It's one of the biggest obstacles to those interested in ditching combustion for their first taste of the EV life.
It's easy to be put off by the big price tags on the newest electric model from Tesla or Audi, but don't fear - there are ways of getting your hands on an electric daily for a lot less.
Eilis takes a look at what are your options when it comes to getting an EV for less of your hard earned cash.
0:00 Intro
0:33 EVs are cheaper than ICEs annually
1:58 The Citroen Ami
2:53 New cars under £30k
3:43 How the Government can help you... kinda
4:43 Long term leases
5:33 Have you heard of Salary Sacrifice Schemes?
6:48 You could scrap your old car
7:25 Growing second-hand EV market
8:54 Prices should continue to fall
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If this is The Ultimate Guide, then we're in trouble, especially as you omit to mention pre-owned EV prices are at an all time high and new EVs take forever to arrive in the UK.
EV car still a bit out of reach for me as I'm now retired but a couple of years back I bought a second hand electric scooter (the sit-on type) for NZ$1400, replaced the old batteries with lithium ion ones, charge it off my solar panels and home built power wall, zero fuel costs for most of my local running. Love it!
You can get one new in India for about 1000 NZ dollars. The high speed ones go for about 2500
I fill up half as much since I rode a onewheel, it's way more fun, and the annual bills are much lower too
I bought a 80,000 mile 2013 24kWh Leaf for £7,000 two years ago. It still has 83% of its battery capacity remaining and is perfect for my very predictable 32 mile commute. I charge from home and even at today's tariffs, costs just £1.50 per day to charge at home. If I still had my Subaru Impreza, I would be paying £10 a day for the same journey.
How is that going , in Jan2023 the price will be the same ?
@@johndinsdale1707 It's going well. 86,000 miles now. It would probably be £8,000 to replace my car now.
It will become easier in the next months and years with more used EVs available and more affordable models coming to market!
A lot of great options to get your first EV that you are sharing here, Eilis! Thank you!
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Brilliant video thanks. Interesting and full of great ideas. Well done E.
Pragmatic family economics. We need this, and you made it (almost) supportable. Well done!
Excellent video. Most of the advice is a little too UK-specific to suit my needs but you gave me a lot to think about.
I have often bought my new cars immediately before Xmas as dealers' showrooms tend to be very quiet then and they usually have their quarterly sales figures looming on December 31st. This normally ensures the best possible deal as long as you are flexible about model and colour scheme for any stock they may hold. I bought my Fiat 500e last December and got a small discount off the headline price as well as a trade-in second to none.
EV's with safety recalls for fire. Renault Zoe, Peugeot-e, BMW i4, Mercedes C class, Mercedes EQS, Mercedes GLC, Mercedes S class, Ford Focus, Chevrolet Bolt, Hyundai Ioniq, DS7 Crossback, Hyundai Kona, Mercedes EQC, VW Arteon ehybrid, VW Passat GTE, Ford Focus mHEV, Ford Puma mHEV, Ford Fiesta mHEV, Opel Ampera e, Mercedes eSprinter, Skoda Citygo e, Mercedes eVito, VWeUP, Seat Mini electric, Mini Country PHEV, BMWi8, BMWX5PHV, BMW X3 PHEV,BMW X2 PHEV, BMW X1 PHEV, BMW 7 series PHEV, BMW 5 series PHEV, BMW 3 series PHEV, BMW 2 series active tourer, Land Rover Discovery Sport PHEV, Land Rover Evoque MHEV, Hyundai Kauai, Audi A4, Audi A 5, Audi A 6, Audi A7, Audi Q5, Ford Puma MHEV, Ford Kuga MHEV, Renault Zoe, Audi eTron, ....
@@anglosaxonmike8325 I've followed this up and, according to a Fleet News article from November 2021, these were due to specific manufacturing defects that have since been addressed but, obviously, should still not have occurred in the first instance. Fleet News also sourced London Fire Brigade data that suggests an incident rate of 0.04% for petrol and diesel car fires, while the rate for plug-in vehicle is more than double at 0.1%.
This channel is honestly fantastic and I love the little LoTR meme haha. Plus I was thinking of getting a Citroen e-C4, they seem like a decent starter EV
I think I'm correct in saying that using salary sacrifice in the UK has a negative effect on the company pension, so worth researching before going ahead with that option.
How is that Benjamin Ford? Do you have any links i can go to in order to read what the issue is? I've just applied for a salary sacrifice EV and wasn't aware of a hot to the pension.
Very informative video, with hope on the horizon in a very negative world
Hope to own an EV one day 🙏
Great video. Salary sacrifice may be a great option for some people, but when I looked at it, the impact on my pension meant it wasn't a good idea for me. Because salary sacrifice reduces your taxable pay, it also reduces your pensionable pay. If your employer makes contributions based on your pay, the lower your pay, the less they put into your pension. So, a cheap car now is good, but not at the expense of a lower pension for your whole retirement. If your employer's pension is not much cop, then the salary sacrifice is a great option
2:56 Why would you put a picture of an old Leaf model when talking about new cars? The editor needs to be a bit less oblivious to EV models and not just use the first image that comes up. :)
Totally agree, then later in the video to show a 2018 LEAF when talking about 2nd hand sales prices of £5000. If Electroheads are misleading people with this stuff no wonder there are doubters.
My thoughts exactly, right pictures but used in the wrong places. Obviously done on purpose to emphasise the points being made but agree this is sloppy
Phew. I love EV’s but I get caught out when asked this question time and time again, it’s difficult to answer. They’re obviously far too expensive. The Chinese already have their production lines up and running and ready to supply us with cheaper EV’s. Hopefully governments will help by allowing them to market. Can’t help but feel that EV prices are being falsely inflated to make a quick buck (encourage people to buy the old ICE stock). The whole thing seems a bit weird. Can’t understand why Legacy auto makers are behaving like this. They’ll go bust if it carries on.
Sadly no BMW i3's for under £10k at the moment - prices of ALL used and new EV's have gone crazy due to supply chain issues making the availability of new vehicles very limited.
A BMW i3 at under £10k is a really good possibility btw!
The i3 is really old now with old batteries, it's not a good choice...
@@edwardfletcher7790 that's the way depreciation works, and this shouldn't come as a surprise to you at all. 🤷♂️ For a second hand ev at under £10k, it's possibly your first ev, and you won't be expecting a brand new Tesla. As of right now there's some first gen nissan leafs available for under 10k.... They have their problems too. Would you also say that's a bad choice??
@@Its-Just-Gizmo I did see a couple for that price in the last year or two but due to the pandemic and part shortages prices have gone crazy here. I will need to wait a year or two 🤔
@@edwardfletcher7790 I'm in the BMW i3 owners group on Facebook and reports are the batteries are holding up well with vehicles on over 100k and still with minimal battery loss😁
Instead of leasing a succession of cars, why not use that cash for other things, stick with an ICE car for a few more years, use it as infrequently as possible, and buy an e-bike for those short trips around town. You won't have any range anxiety, or indeed charge point anxiety, and you'll avoid being ripped off by charge point firms that want to charge you anything up to 10 times the amount per kW/h, when compared to off peak domestic tariffs.
But if we are on the subject of cheap EVs, why not mention EV kits. DIY kits are already available for a few thousand Euros, and I'm hearing that the price to convert can be as little as a thousand Euros if you use 2nd hand parts. So I think this may be the way to go, with garages getting up to speed with conversions, and competition in the marketplace doing the rest.
Great video. The total cost of ownership obviously varies by country based mostly on the cost of petrol and the cost of electricity. For example, a friend of mine has a IONIQ5 and the cost of the electricity for a full charge, to drive about 400 kms is about 5 UKPS per week. It might interest you to know that, here in Canada, you can lease a 2022 Hyundai Kona Electric for about 350 UK pounds sterling per month with about 3,000 UKPS deposit. That gets you 20,000 kms per year.
The Kona is about the best overall buy - it has better range than just about anything in the same price bracket.
Aging well by Jan 23 price parity with petrol?
I'm desperately looking around for a way to take advantage of the tax savings a business gets when it buys an EV. I hear people talking about saving up to 50% somehow. Seems a bit unfair that's there's an incredible deal that I can't access because I don't earn enough. So I earn less money and that means I'll have to pay more for same thing. That's backwards.
Unfortunately I'm a temp employee so salary sacrifice schemes aren't available to me.
Can you by the Ami in the UK yet?
If you live in a town or city and your commute is between 1 to 10 miles. Don't get an eCar or eMotorbike. Get the future of personal electric transport = Electric Bicycle. A Riese and Müller Nevo 3 top of the line Bosch eBike cost £5K, still cheaper than a eCar. Plus no Tax, insurance...
I wish the government gave us the option of a 0% loan for EV's like the do in Scotland!
In Eastern Canada we pay CDN $0.07/ kWh between 7:00pm and 6:00am and all weekend, $0.13 all other times. I think we have the cheapest electricity in the world.
My moped costs me 7 cents to fill-up and go 30 miles. I haven't bought a drop of gasoline in over 6 years. Take that fat cat oil companies.
I even use it in our Canadian winters. Yes, I have to wait up to 2 days for the roads to be cleared, salted and dry after a snow storm, but I can live with that.
I would buy a Chinese EV that weighs less than 1000 kg. None of that 2+ ton crap they sell these days. Elementary physics. The more you weigh, the more you pay.
I've got a 450kg Twizzy, full charge is about €1.50 and then I can go about 80km, it can also reach 100km/hr but not go as far 😉
4 wheels and great fun in the snow. It's presently charging off the photons raining down from our star.
Eat my shorts big oil!
Ps. €4000 second hand buy, €50/month battery rent, no road tax here and no MOT, and it's got a roof.. but no windows :)
@@jamesgrover2005 That's because you know your stuff.
We leased our EV. Here in America it makes sense to lease. We save $80 per month compared to purchasing.Unless you put a very large down payment. Don't spend your money when you can use others $$$$. Gas or Petrol is at $4.80 per gallon in my area.Up to $6.80 in California. My Tesla cost me right at $5.20 to top off at home. Around $10.00 to use the superchargers.I get 280 miles per charge on average. For the short trips I our area we have invested in E bikes. We really enjoy riding them. I'm 60 years old and at a certain point I will go to electric when riding . The knees have gone south. The cost was around $899 per bike. Then the charge cost is $0.12 per full charge. I get 18 to 22 miles per charge where the wife and daughter get 24 to 27. Not bad. . My Range Rover cost $80.00 + too top off at this time. Ouch! Thanks for the really good comparison vid.
Wish to point out that NHS salary sacrifice car scheme could also affects the pension contribution. Fleet scheme, leasing or other the variation. I’m not certain about the exact details when it comes to pension. There’s always a bit of a catch :/ !!
Salary sacrifice is good as it basically reduces the prices by 18% (or % 38% if you’re a higher tax rate payer). However the problem is the waiting lists - try 15 months for the Audi Q4 I ordered! Currently scheduled for Jan 23 and I don’t honestly believe I will get it then :(
I got my EV for £275 a month by buying a cheap one before the prices went crazy on PCP at 0%. I don't think that deals like are going to be around any more.
Why would I scrap my perfectly good, low mileage, twelve year old Peugeot 7004, 40+mpg SUV. It's very comfortable, totally reliable, has four wheel drive so its great in snow, it takes my wheelchair or buggy with ease, I can get in and out of it as it has a high seating position. It has an upper and lower glove box and a compartment on the top of the dash. On my current low mileage it would take twelve years of EV driving to balance the carbon foot print compared to scrapping, and it is paid for. It was built as an off-road SUV so everything is over engineered; and when a drive shaft broke, Peugeot picked up the tab because, they said, that should not have happened.
You don't have to. 🙄
Who's telling you too ?
Thanks for the video. I am definitely changing my vehicle to 5L v8 next from the 3.6 straight 6 and I’ll enjoy every single mile.
Drive safe folks.
You can build yourself a full suspension fat bike low power electric moped (Max 4Kw, Max 28mph)and get it road registered through MSVA for around £2K. that'll use 25WHr/Mile, Then paint it to your liking
or u could get one with 250w battery maxed at a top speed of 28mph as well, and not needing to register it or insure it or need a license and only costs a thousand pounds. All u need is just a thousand pounds and ur good to go, no need to deal with all the other fuss and it's road legal too
The running costs are likely to change as more EVs are sold. So, the figures quoted are going to change.
8:40 An i3 for under 10k? The cheapest in the Netherlands is barely under 13k (currency converter). And as in other videos: No love for the smart FourTwo ED, which starts from £8.5k / €10k?
There are no bmw i3s for £ £10,000 pounds
I’ve been looking for some time now and I can’t find any Reasonably priced EV‘s anyway
I have a brand new EV. 65mph 150 mils of charge $3500 is called got way monster pro
If you get a lease you're paying around 20% premium, so forget those savings you mention at the beginning. PCP is around 10% so your only truly cheap option is to stump up the cash for a used.
I hate the thought of PCP. You're just renting the car and we need to stop pretending it's ownership. You're paying for it over an agreed time, then almost always giving it back. You have no asset at the end.
At least with HP, you have an actual tangible asset with value at the end of it even if you did pay an extra few quid a month compared to PCP.
PCP just locks you in to always renting. I don't know if that's great financial advice or not, despite how popular it is these days.
I just left the comment in another video, but the Scottish gov are giving a 0% loan on buying your first ev, up to £30k. This is the second round, the first ended. But I don't think they've updated the website for it just yet.
No one is talking about it, which is really frustrating.
Thanks for the heads up! That's awesome, Scotland once again leading by example. We'll take a look at that.
@@Electroheads please do! There's also a 0% loan for an electric push bike, and for an electric motorbike.
I thought about getting pedal bike just for the hell of it.
We also still have the home charger grant for £350 I think 👀
Gov would be better off spending coin on building more safe bicycle paths and encouraging people to ride bikes. This reduces car usage period which also needs to happen regardless of ICE or Electric cars
In my country electricity costs has risen around 40% this year, so I wouldn't save money purchasing an EV.
For the extra price an EV costs(compared to their petrol counterpart) in my country I could drive the petrol version for 26 years.
With inflation for second hand cars now, it's more possible to wait for societal (via climatic) collapse and cars will be made redundant/undriveable
Letin Mengu
Car's are free...I can download one 🤣
The catch for the Ami is that its kinda fugly!
I find it funny that you seem to refuse to use any Mercedes footage. Like… I‘ve seen you use every other brand so far
I hope, somewhere in the future, an EV will come in reach for the average Joe.
What ever those "researches" say, the reality is much different for people that buy a new car in the range of €12.000 and €20.000.
Funny that those "researchers" conveniently forget that those cars often cost at least €12.000 more than a comparable ICE car.
These cars easily have a 500km range befor filling up and do 23km on 1 ltr.
Build an EV for less than €20.000 that can do 500km, or even 400km range, and come back when you found one.
We where looking for a Fiat 500 Cabrio or a 500E Cabrio with a 200mls range. (much shorter than the ICE Fiat but ok)
Cheapest 500 Cabrio (ICE) is €19.500.
Cheapest 500E Cabrio 40kW is €34.500 (when it came out in 2020 it was €30.500 and now €4.000 rise). . . . . . Difference is €15.000.
On top of that you will have to take a bigger loan for that €15.000 that will set you back €1.500 on interest (at least).
So difference is €16.500 . . . .
Making that "research" a pile of nonsence.
I am totally into EV's, and would like to stop with my 2017 Smart Cabrio (ICE) instantly, when the buying price was withing reach.
I dont do "make beleave", but live in the real world, not in fantasy land.
Next car is due in 2 or 3 years. EV's are getting more expansive by the month, and i dont see a 250mls range EV with reasonable fast charging with a price tag of €19.500 in my live time.
Ora cat is a nice EV under 30k
Insane! Non thanks, might come back in a decade or two
Did Diane Abbot do your Maths? MG ZS EV £34,495 Petrol equivalent £ 21,835, that's £12,660. That is 77,779 miles worth of driving, plus petrol one has cheaper tyres, cheaper insurance. Who keeps their car fo nearly 80 thousand miles? that is break even.
Secondhand is the only way if you're in this for the environment.
And it’s a great deal usually. I bought my a class used with a replaced damaged bumper and got it pretty much for half the new price when it was only around 2 years old
I like Eilis!
With electricity profits in the UK being subsidised you have to wonder if the low per mile costs of EVs will remain that way 10 years from now. I would not be surprised to learn a few years from now that these companies view higher electricity costs as another way of disincentivising people from switching to EVs?! Do you have an analysis of the average per mile cost of electricity for the same car - if charged up in different countries around the world?
Lol. You know that oil and gas companies are subsidised too right? 🤣
@@shawing utilities were subsidised before actually. Particularly with regards to investment and decommissioning costs of nuclear. My comment is with relation to how we're being suckered to further subsidise an unstable market. Of course I know about oil and gas. Do you think you're clever saying obvious things?
@@nemohalperin nope, just wasn't that clear what subsidies you were talking about from that first comment 😊
My take would be 10 years from now we should have even more reewables in place than currently, and as Bobby Lou always says if its clean it's cheap, so I'd hope that helps keep elec cost down for us consumers.
Plus, I'd hope natural competition in the provider market and people actively voting with their feet in switching to affordable companies continues to drive them to provide good value on the per unit costs.
A comparison on average per unit price across the world would be interesting though for sure!
However I don't think any of that would negate all the benefits EV adoption brings
@@shawing history would confirm that placing such optimism in the free market and the government will only end in disappointment. We would be very naïve to believe that the utilities operating in the UK will not find a way of justifying somehow a higher cost for renewables over time. They're not acting for the public good. They're acting for shareholders. This is why I'm curious about price comparisons in real terms. Overall we require far more cost transparency for all forms of generation, particularly for the reasons discussed.
@@nemohalperin fair enough and I agree we should always have a healthy slice of distrust in companies and government so we keep an eye on things and kick up a fuss when things are not good enough.
But to counter that and give a little perspective for example, today's gb power mix is running at 32% wind (wouldn't have had that even 5 years ago), and we effectively just got a windfall tax on the generators profits for last year, so when we kick up enough fuss, we can push positive changes to happen, as long as we the people are tenacious enough to do so.
To be fair vehicle tax is another aspect that will eventually change, hopefully based on annual mileage, because once everyone is in EV we still need income to maintain the roads, so it can't be based on emmsions at that point.
Honest comment there: EV’s are still expensive, although given how battery costs have reduced you do wonder if manufacturers are profiteering? I managed to get a new 71 plate end-of-line Smart ForTwo for just over £16k last September which although not “cheap” is about as cheap as you can get a brand new EV for. But while perfect for local trips (assuming no more than two of you + a largish dog in the boot as my daughter proved) even on a really good day the range is around 80-90 miles maximum.
I bought a Toyota Prius for my daughter. EV's are too expensive and I don't want my daughter running around trying to find a charging station.
By the time she's ready to get rid of it in about 10 years, EVs will be much more refined and a lot cheaper with better batteries.
Right now, they are aimed at rich people and toy lovers. I am neither.
I am from a grass root family. I have an EV now and second one coming next year. EVs are not expensive.
@@YourMajestyTheKing You obviously don't live on 'Treasure Island!'
Saving £1,000 a year means at least 14 years to pay you back. They are deliberately over priced. If they can manufacture and sell these cars in India & China for about a third of the UK price, why should anyone bother. Dacia Spring £22,500 (same car in India RHD Tata Nexon) £6046. Electricity in UK just gone up 254 %, due to go up another 300 %, absolute bargain.
I'll keep my diesel thank you.
You show a gen2 Nissan leaf for £5000..... no chance you will find one at that price.
I bought a 13 year old Yaris with 20000 miles for £5000. It does 57 miles to the gallon on mostly town driving. Why does anyone need to spend 30/40/50k on a car unless its an ego massage or a fashion accessory?
Just try and buy the e-up, you can’t, they stopped making them
I dunno what import duties are in the UK but the Leap Motors E03 from China is a neat little car for 8000 pounds.
No, the initial arguments do not hold true - you talk carefully about ‘fueling’ or ‘filling up’ the two types of cars - fossil fuel versus EV - and that’s because having looked at the report you are quoting about 0:46 or so on the screen, from Thisismoney, it too, carefully couches its claims. On the face of it, you and they, are speaking of the cost of fuel/energy per mile as it were, but this report you base your own reporting on, seems curiously attached to the concept of ‘filling an ICE car to 80%’ and also the same for an EV. THIS, is what they are trying to equate, not the cost or running the car over a year, nor the cost per mile. I am mystified why this artificially-contrived ‘equality’ of comparison, would matter to anyone - if EVs had bigger battery capacities, the figures would skew in favour of ICE vehicles, and if ICE vehicles had bigger fuel tanks, the comparison would favour EVs! A little bit on the slick side of truth for my liking.
Look, up until the energy prices shot interstellar, with guaranteed more to come, the arguments fell broadly in favour of EVs. But let’s do the simplest truth-tell analysis on this report of all - they state, EVs are 10p a mile. They also state rapid charger energy is up at 35p before recent changes, and then they are about 50p per unit/kWh.
The best possible efficiency in practice, has been measured by numerous testers, and it’s the Hyundai Ionic and the Tesla Model 3, both at 250Wh per mile. Mild weather, mark you. So that’s 40p per kWh working ‘backwards’ from their figures. In other words, even for the report to hold together in it’s own terms, you CANNOT be filling up at a public energy charger - because one Unit is 35p per kWh, and now that’s impossible, us being at 50p per kWh public charging. With the highest known efficiency of 250Wh per mile, it will take 1kWh to get you 4 miles. 4 miles out of 50p worth of juice, means 12p per mile.
BUT if your EV has only say 40kWh of battery, it’s quite possible to do motorway speeds and use most of that in 70 miles - blowing 4 miles per kWh out the window, reducing you to more like 500Wh per mile, or a whole kWh used just to get 2 poxy miles.
So let’s proceed with that - 50p gets the EV 2 miles in that scenario. How far does 50p get say, a 40mpg fossil fuel vehicle? Call fuel £7 per gallon in the UK, there are 14 ‘lots’ of 50p in that fuel amount then. If our fossil fuel burner gets us more than a lousy 28 miles to the gallon, it has well-surpassed the EV in cost per mile…and indeed, my large 5-pot Volvo diesel gets 40mpg on the m-way, at speeds that cripple all but the largest best EVs. Our little modern Clio 900cc turbo petrol car, manages 44mpg, again at m-way speeds. Neither of them are anywhere near as bad as 28mpg, the level of inefficiency we’d have to get down to, to make EVs comparable.
Alright, let’s do EVs two favours - let them charge at home, domestic energy rates, AND lower our speeds to A-road, let us say 50mph. Now, my trip of 250 miles to Scotland, will take an easy-to calculate 5 hours solid driving if we did nothing but sit at 50mph and had no breaks - but in reality, even say the MG would need one hour to recharge, and the average speed is not 50mph if that’s your cruising speed - and any less than 40kWh, I wouldn’t do a trip longer than it can manage in one charge, for these reasons. So, I could get to Carlisle. Ok, maybe the Eaglesfield sign.
The problem is, as the more shrewd will have noticed, petrol is far too cheap. It’s really only increased by 25%, whereas domestic energy has reached double or 100% in practice, for two reasons: a) they are forcing homeowners to pay much more in DD per month than even the huge energy cost crisis warrants, and b) the standing charge has also rocketed. With more to come.
By my calculations, the only way EVs make per mile sense, is to top-load with assuming ICE cars cost dealer-level maintenance costs, and charging at home is always done. That’s only commuter driving though - unless I knew someone in Carlisle, I’d have to pay 35p per kWh to 50p, depending on whether it was last month or this month I charged up. In fact, as a used 22kWh Zoe cost £7,500 in the UK, with 40k miles or whatever, 7 years old, the size of battery I wouldn’t recommend to my daughters to get, the initial purchase price is DOUBLE that of an equivalent used Clio like we have of exactly the same age. Our Clio mk4 is literally valued at £3750 as of this month. It takes 4.5 hours with a break at Tebay services to get to Glasgow, not 6 hours for the exact same run with say a 40kWh EV, for the ‘favours’ we have had to do the EV to nudge it into being usable or at all comparable.
I am in the position where the arithmetic says, it is better to invest in solar energy first, and a wall battery, and all that, and carry on with the ICE car, unless I don’t own a home to do that with. It’s all backwards now. I have one gripe I think we can all agree on, and it is this: notice that OPEC controls the price of oil, they are a cartel of vendors. We in the UK have a consumer watchdog to monitor and manage domestic energy called OfGem, and one of these have made fossil fuel only rise by 25% and the other made electricity double ie rise by 100%. This, is as wrong and inexplicable as it could possibly be - the cartel, holding down the price better than the consumer watchdog. I predict the demise of said watchdog! I still want an electric car, but this artificial and possibly permanent energy and fossil fuel divide of cost increases, has destroyed all the arguments that would normal favour EVs. I’m not happy about the arithmetic, but there it stands. I thank you for the thought-provoking video…PS the same reporter on the same website, added another report explaining how much prices had all shot up, since they wrote the report you exhibit at 0:46s in, throwing even more caution forward concerning this report.
Not really an accurate title. I didn't see one good example of a cheap EV, just a lot of caveats. Even if you go second hand, the range on the first EVs is really bad and some don't have good battery management. The fact of the matter is that there just isn't a cheap, practical EV out there yet.
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Conversion kits for existing ICE cars will be a good option in the future. Why scrap an otherwise perfectly good vehicle, when it could be fitted with a electric motor, battery pack and the control electrics? This should be much cheaper than buying new. (However, in the UK, the law would need amending, as currently for any vehicle built since 2000, conversion would make it illegal to drive on the public highway, as it would no longer meet the emissions certification for that vehicle type. Whacky, but this is all part of the changes which need to take place.)
It will never happen. Anyone with even crude knowledge of ice and electric engines can tell you that
@@MaticTheProto Everyone of your comments on this video is wrong. Mercedes tend to be inefficient, expensive and heavy compared with non German rivals. Chinese Teslas are better made and more efficient than US made. Polestars are beautifully made and don't have reliability problems even though they're made in China. There are companies in the UK now that are converting ICE cars to electric very effectively. Please do some research before spouting your out of date and biased opinions. Tah!
@@MaticTheProto What are you talking about? It’s already happening.
@@matthewjburt6482 1. that’s just false 2. yeah that just shows that Americans can’t build cars after all. 3. you can’t efficiently convert ice cars to electric cars. There’s no space for the batteries etc. plus the procedure would be difficult and thus expensive.
@@MaticTheProto You're right about American car building quality but please do a bit of research. Fully Charged channel is a good place to start with regards to progression made in the electrification of the transport systems.
500 quid a month? Electric Car hand rubbing intensifies.
Summer time when the grass is growing like crazy charging my MG ZS EV / month is actually cheaper than putting petrol in my lawnmower to cut the lawns with our personal usage 😱, It's shortly to get replaced for an electric mower. Come on motorist double down on these polluting rip off big oil companies & lets see them go the way of the Dodo. 😁
Imma save 10k and get a 10k loan then buy a Renault ze50
The issue is not about the overall maintenance and upkeep of the EV. Its the initial purchase price :-( … capitalism at its best.
I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I've long held the view that manufacturers won't bring the price of an EV down to the level of the equivalent ICE car otherwise they would suddenly find they weren't getting orders for ICE cars anymore.
I am fast losing interest in this channel which only seems interested in promoting new products. Their idea of a cheap eBike costs ~£1k or more when a recent trip to France showed Carrefour had several starting at about £500 and just look at what Ebay has to offer. When it comes to cars apparently 80% of Britain buys cars 2nd hand so a "cheap" car might be a 2013 Nissan Leaf for about £6k not an Ami for well over £7k. Don't get me wrong I like the Ami but not at that price. The whole approach makes me feel I am watching an advert not a real consumer-oriented channel.
Hi Rhian! Sorry you feel that way. We'll take that on board :)
Better to buy a Brand new EV like GM Wuling from China for £ 4000
Engaging in a bit of 'lies, damn lies and statistics' are we? You say an EV is cheaper even when you factor in the purchase price, but you fail to factor in the battery replacement cost. You say a 4,000 pound saving over 7 years, but your battery is out of warranty in 8. Imagine saving 8,000 pounds in 14 years, but shortly before that you have a bill for 15,000 pounds for a new battery? Long term, EVs are still more expensive, and all these payment plans conceal the cost. But that e-Bike was the great saver. Own an ICE car and an e-Bike and use the e-Bike for the larger part of your travels each week and you will save a fortune.
don't gloat. i know that you guys can get Ami and Twizy.
The way to get a cheap EV is to marry a cute english woman with an EV and pay for the" Garage"...
What makes EVs so expensive is all the high tech crap that comes with it.
I'll wait until the cheap Chinese EVs come to Canada before buying one. They are sensible people and make sensible EVs.
agreed.
More things to potentially go wrong. Which partly negates the point about EVs being more reliable.
Hahahahah no the Chinese aren‘t sensible and still have questionable quality at times
@@MaticTheProto Hahahaha, everything you use is made in China. Your computer and phones are just to name a few.
You just don't like to see China as the industrial super power that produces everything you use and wear.
The joke is on you. Without China, there would be no Walmart and alike.
@@piconano no walmart? How tragic. So are there actually any downsides in that scenario or?
"More simpler' ? Who's writing these scripts ? Some teenager ?
Citroen Ami isn't a car.
Could you learn to speak properly please and then I will be pleased to listen to you.