This is video is like some 1993 bill nye science guy video. And it’s only 10 yrs old. With the music playing while you’re talking. Two people taking turns. It gave me 90’s nostalgia.
I have the identical 335 used in the video and the heavy steering to body roll issue can be solved for under $1,000 with the installation of upgraded springs, it will also give you the rake of the of body style too. Personally I went with the H&R springs.
Upgrading springs without upgrading the dampers is quite stupid. Non-M BMWs are known to be under-damped, so by adding shorter springs with higher spring rates, you will get a car that handles even worse than factory. Do it the right way and get dampers (Bilstein, Koni) and springs.
i have an f30 335 in a 6 speed manual. i upgraded the suspension to BC racing coil overs and changed the exhaust and absolutely love the car. its a blast to drive. i would never even consider buying the lexus and even less the cadillac
Well, that's all well and good, but you're kinda missing the point. One shouldn't have to run out to the aftermarket and do the engineering that BMW SHOULD have done in the first place. In my mind and most 3-Series lovers, the last good 3-Series was the E90 generation.
There's was certainly an opportunity to do an alternate, 4 cylinder version of this comparison, with the 328, the ATS Turbo 4, and the IS 250. However, we went for the high-end 6 cylinder versions, so these three become the closest matchup. Thanks for watching and we look forward to your thoughts on the next two sections.
Have you had this problem on other reviews we've done, or just this one? This was mixed with the same levels as our other work, and it's generally not a problem. However, this is a song we don't use much so we'd be curious if it's a combination of the song & your speaker range or if it bothers you on all our work. Thanks for the thoughts.
I’ve had one for a few years, 80,000 miles with no real issues. It’s fast, good looking, has a great interior and gets good gas mileage, it’s really a great daily driver. Sounds terrible unless you get an aftermarket exhaust, though.
Our rigging here was no different than it is in any other review - and as you've seen we generally have little to no shake. It bugs us here too, but its a factor of the road in this case (which was pretty but far from smooth) more than anything else. There's always something to improve on. Thanks for watching and liking what we do! Please share us with others!
Should have driven an M Sport version maybe? I'm on the fence with the 335i and the IS350 F Sport myself. Both excellent cars but the M Sport package made a difference.
6SpeedTA95 Drove both of those and it's not even close ... the BMW 335i is the way to go; better performance and looks far better (admittedly subjective). My 2nd choice was the Audi A4, then Cadillac ATS, Mercedes, and Lexus at 5th.
I disagree, I own a 2015 335i M Sport. The chassis in the Caddy and Lexus (assuming F Sport package) are better. The BMW engine/trans combination is fantastic and in terms of raw numbers its hard to go wrong with the 335i. In terms of driving feel? It's got nothing on my friend's that own E90 cars. Lexus drivetrain is dated, but the dynamics/turn-in etc was better.
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I stumbled across your youtube channel yesterday and So far I have watched the gt350 vs boss 302, 4 generations of Miata and BMW 335i review, M1 M3 Boss 302 comparo. M235 vs S3. I Really like the videos. Keep up the great work! Best regards
We're thrilled you found us and are enjoying what we do. Your question sounds like the kind of thing we cover on our Bi-Weekly Audio Podcast "The Car Debate". You can find it through iTunes, GooglePlay, or anywhere you would look for Podcasts. And you can write your own car debate to us through our Website, EverydayDriver.com We'd be happy to discuss your question at length on the Podcast. We're really glad to have you with us!
Yes, this was mentioned before and we are guilty of a late night screw-up there. 4.9 is intended. Meanwhile, we are very excited to share the Porsche documentary - it will be an hour long with a bunch of additional extras so we won't offer it as a typical video. Expect it as a streaming rental or a Blu-ray with LOTS of extras. Thanks so much for watching and liking what we do!
Guys! I can't say enough about how excited I am when I see one of your videos in my subscription box waiting for me. And another non disappointed video can't wait for the next 2 to follow. You guys are the absolute BEST on RUclips to bring your professional opinions to life.
I totally agree about the way the rear end gets upset when it hits a bump. It takes away the feeling of confidence you get from the rest of the car. I would imagine it's an easy fix with better springs or possibly struts.
M sport suspension is same as sport line unless you opt for m adaptive, but sport mode in m adaptive is very similar to non-adjustable sport suspension, no lower. M Performance suspension (not a factory option) is the way to go.
You've hit on exactly the reason why the Lexus is included - with the updated GS and the new IS, they are trying to offer enthusiast versions of their cars. Cadillac is in a similar place with their new models. So, we wanted to put them against the 3 series benchmark. As far as Mercedes and Infinity go, they didn't have a new/updated model available yet for this comparo. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
I just bought a 2011 bmw 335i m sport and i can say that its an amazing car. It feels so fast and the turbos make an amazing beautiful sound and the exhaust 😮😮👌🏻👌🏻
+beastly16 I It's got 2 low pressure turbochargers to minimized lag. Go read the specs. Perhaps look at the pictures. If you still don't understand I'll post a link for you.
I always hate it when people that don't know anything about design and have no artistic talent criticize a car's look. The BMW is beautiful! It doesn't look pinched.
All the other reviews were fine. It's probably this particular song with my speakers. It also doesn't occur the whole time, there are just some parts where I have to concentrate a bit to understand everything. As long as nobody else complains you should be fine. Keep up the good work!
Replace the run flats and find a temp spare on the internet. At least on E90's, it made a huge difference in ride, road feel, and probably even grip. Toss the spare in the trunk any time you venture far from home. When you sell it or turn it in, put the run flats back on (or sell them on ebay, as they cost more than non run-flats)
BMW used to be known for making the sportiest handling cars on the market (within their classes). Now they're best at making engines. Their cars are some of the heaviest because they still use ER welds whereas other luxury carmakers are moving towards more efficient methods of welding and use of alluminium. Although, I'm expecting them to catch up with their next gen platforms, I don't think they will ever be heads and shoulders above their competition like they used to.
On the front end, it is because of pedestrian safety. To get the highest star ratings in crash tests, cars nowadays have to offer 100% not only for passengers, but also for pedestrians getting hit. The above from what our dealer told us. We own a 2012 1-series, and it also has the flat nose. It grows on you after a while
How long can BMW rest on its laurels and chase volume leases before the brand becomes nothing more than a status symbol? (which it already is for many of its current lease holders) Or does BMW want to become Mercedes and build luxurious, large cars that just happen to have tons of power?.
This car has the Sport package, the 704 suspension is the same on the Sport and M-Sport BMWs. There are only 3 suspensions: Standard, 704 (Sport/M-Sport), and Adaptive Suspension (2VF).
Great review as always guys. One thing I noticed though was the video coming from your camera car was a bit shaky. Maybe you could use a wider lens or some image stabilization to remove this. I was watching this video in 1080p on a 22" monitor and the shake was fairly noticeable.
That is correct they were both brought to market the same year. However, the following year the 2.3 16v cosworth was brought to market and did very well and the racing curcuit. The acclaim to fame for the BMW sedan was in response to the 16v w201 which came in 1986 with the E30 M3 which was magnificent. Without that all important car a BMW sedan would just be that today.
Loved the review. I trust you will be just as frank about the Lexus and the Caddy. I appreciate the way you two work as a team despite being filmed in different cars. The two voices and opinions are so often better than one. And some of the quotes are classic keepers; "a pack of ferral monkeys" just gotta love it. Keep it up.
At 4:21 you said that the 0-60 is 4.9 seconds, but then at the end you said it is 5.0 seconds. Anyway, good vid as always. Eagerly anticipating the Porsche video.
There's 2 turbos in the 335i. Other versions have 1. Also the default chassis is comfortable. For precision instrument, you need the m-sport package. Then it's the best. That's why BMW offers both.
i was an e90 owner, and i agree with this review (i did not buy an f30 at the end of my e90 lease). BMW did screw up with the front end and dulled the handling.
Disappointing of BMW, the handling and balance has always been the "piece de resistance" of the 3 series. I'm in the market, you think the 335is coupe would get me the razor like handling I'm craving for, or should I wait and splurge for the M4? Keeping in mind I don't need the extra power? Thanks for the review.
Still pales in comparison to e90 and e46. Sometimes I have to look down to make sure I actually put it in sport because the steering is still so light.
finally some honesty about the 3 series. for some odd reason, some ppl just wont give the caddy first place over the bmw. we all know the caddy is a better performance car
Floaty? Does this car have the DHP - Dynamic handling package? This package has Variable suspension and Variable steering. It tightens everything and makes a lot more difference.
considering you haven't put up the Lexus video yet and have used the 335i, are you guys using the IS 350 for comparison? if not then, it wouldn't really be a fair comparison.
did you guys test an F30 with the DHP option? Because I have it on my 335i and let me tell you it makes a world of difference. Also when with 245/40 non run flat tires on all four corners. Totally different feel to the car now from the 225/45 run flats.
you guys rock man. great review Fellas . I agree with u both said abut the 3 series i drove one yes this car is to expensive and the car has body roll . can,t wait for the other review/
why didn't you guys test drive the 335i Msport, with staggered set up, its lower 10mm, and better brakes than the one you test drove it, i have one in eb2 and I love it and I didn't even consider the competition when I purchased it
I still have no clue why the 335i absolutely smokes the competition in the powertrain department. Like If I am honest, its so much faster than the other two that the feeling of , a lack of accuracy in the steering and suspension is almost overcome by the sheer power. 300 HP..... haha ya right! Have you guys been able to test the 335i Xdrive M-sport? Motortrend tested it and its a Rocket!
very consistent with other reviews so far, now i'm wondering how the m-sport suspension, would it make it perfect? then again, wish bmw would stop making everything so complicated and just make one good setting and let it be!
Great Review as always. But can you turn the music down a little bit? Maybe it's just my Laptop Speakers (Dolby Home Theater v4) but I almost have a hard time understanding you guys because the music is so present.
Paul and Todd are spot on when compared to what other reviewers are saying about the f30; It's good, but not great. and that's what is disappointing especially for the price BMW is asking for the F30. Personally, i'd rather get a used e90 or even an e46.
Excellent review! The more I see/research the BMW f30, the more I want to keep my e92 335i and perhaps consider other brands. I agree that the front of the f30 (and it's almost twin but pricier f32 4-series coupe) looking pinched, the face just doesn't flow/fit with the beautiful side and rear surfaces of the car. It also just looks too big and "floaty" compared to past 3-series (e46, e90). I'm anxious to watch the next video to see if the new Lexus IS can compare with the Bimmer's handling.
The body roll and steering were designed with comfort in mind, not flogging it on the race track and... It's lower HP rating feels better cause its an inline 6, not a crappy V.
I have the E90 330i and I flirted with the idea to purchasing the new F30. I test drove the 328i and I was surprised that my E90 with 100k miles felt better. My steering, suspension and performance made me happy. This was the first time I left the BMW lot not envying the new 3 series. I'd stick to the E90 folks if you're looking for a 3 series.
Another comment, the F30 m sport is so much sexier at the rear than my old E90! And the front end grows on you, it's a much more aggressive look, for f30 must have is xenon headlight and again M Sport package,,
I think this BMW wasn't equiped with the DHP (Dynamic Handling Package) was it? Only the sport suspension (10mm lower, bit firmer, but without the eletronic dampening control)?
I think that the body roll could be a wide effect of not having the m sport suspension option on the car. Ithe only thing I don't like about the m sport suspension is that it's an option. It should be standard on the 335i.
Paul and Todd, great video and comparison, though I do have to say I'm rather disappointed that the BMW came up short. I have never owned one, but its always been my dream to own one, and I was looking to get a 335i sedan over the next few months, so the fact that it came up short is forcing a rethink, hence the disappointment :-(
I mean the M sport package, not the M3. With the M sport package u get fat low pro tires and stiffer suspension and over all a bit more sporty performance and equipment like seats, steering and a bit more responsive programming. The only thing that makes the new 3s diff from the prev 3 is the electric power steering.
Actually I was a Lexus fanatic - but I decided to go for the 328 x drive and I have to say - it just feels like the best all round car . I now have 168;000 km sine I bought it new as a 2014 model and now I am in the BMW camp . I had a 2007 Lexus IS 350 and I loved that car but the 328 just feels like Goldilocks.
I have just upgraded my E90 330, which I have kept, replaced with a 2013 msport 328, if you are upgrading you must! get an m sport, then E90 owners will not be disappointed, in so many ways my F30 is far superior to my E90, not to mention more modern....both are great in their own way....
From what I can find reading online the M sport handles no better than a no-line car with the adaptive suspension and a set of nice sized wheels/tires. The seats are better for those who find them comfortable. But it's something over $3,000 and you don't have the option of softening the ride w/o another $1,000.
Bruno TaTa I just picked up an 328 is m sport and I have to agree with you on the seats .. They tend to be very uncomfortable on drives longer then 10 minutes...
In case anyone is curious -- the updated 340i is still very boring. I have the M Sport and manual, 2017. Pros: it's quick. The suspension is actually quite nicely balanced in "Comfort" mode. The engine is really buttery smooth. The available heads-up display is beautiful, easy to read, and displays just the right amount of information. Cons: The The steering is a disaster, completely lifeless and numb. I am selling mine after a year of wanting to like it. Switching the setting to "Sport" just augments the artificial heft/resistance, but it makes the huge dead zone on-center more apparent and more annoying. The E90 was one of the best sedans I have ever driven, so it was my dream car. IMO the steering was one of the biggest factors that allowed the 3-series to stand out as the "Ultimate Driving Machine." I imagine the steering slop is designed for the texting generation who might be prone to mindlessly sawing their steering wheels back and forth ...
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"I can't say this car is beautiful"? Just compare it to the other two and it instantly becomes a real beauty
I like it but I think it looks so much better with the M-Sport package.
That’s so more people will buy the M sport package lol.
This is video is like some 1993 bill nye science guy video. And it’s only 10 yrs old. With the music playing while you’re talking. Two people taking turns. It gave me 90’s nostalgia.
I have the identical 335 used in the video and the heavy steering to body roll issue can be solved for under $1,000 with the installation of upgraded springs, it will also give you the rake of the of body style too. Personally I went with the H&R springs.
Upgrading springs without upgrading the dampers is quite stupid. Non-M BMWs are known to be under-damped, so by adding shorter springs with higher spring rates, you will get a car that handles even worse than factory. Do it the right way and get dampers (Bilstein, Koni) and springs.
RSR Auto people like their sport springs lot of them people have them it's a just a budget mod to fix the wheel to body gap so
@@findingrush or match h&rs with the appropriate shock. i.e. a cup kit already tuned to the vehicle. no presets. good for most drivers
Not long... it's in the description and on-screen annotations - Next week for the ATS, the week after for the IS and wrap-up. Thanks for watching!
i have an f30 335 in a 6 speed manual. i upgraded the suspension to BC racing coil overs and changed the exhaust and absolutely love the car. its a blast to drive. i would never even consider buying the lexus and even less the cadillac
Well, that's all well and good, but you're kinda missing the point. One shouldn't have to run out to the aftermarket and do the engineering that BMW SHOULD have done in the first place. In my mind and most 3-Series lovers, the last good 3-Series was the E90 generation.
There's was certainly an opportunity to do an alternate, 4 cylinder version of this comparison, with the 328, the ATS Turbo 4, and the IS 250. However, we went for the high-end 6 cylinder versions, so these three become the closest matchup. Thanks for watching and we look forward to your thoughts on the next two sections.
I always appreciate your professional responses to youtube comments. You guys are gentlemen and scholars.
have to admit the F30 is growing on me.
Maybe it's the color.
Have you had this problem on other reviews we've done, or just this one? This was mixed with the same levels as our other work, and it's generally not a problem. However, this is a song we don't use much so we'd be curious if it's a combination of the song & your speaker range or if it bothers you on all our work. Thanks for the thoughts.
I’ve had one for a few years, 80,000 miles with no real issues. It’s fast, good looking, has a great interior and gets good gas mileage, it’s really a great daily driver. Sounds terrible unless you get an aftermarket exhaust, though.
update?
Loving the way you guys are reviewing these cars. The 2 opinions about the same car makes it so much better watch and listen to.
I love my F30. Room for people in the back, yet shrinks while your smashing in a canyon. M sport package or nothing.
2011 E90 335d - Twin Turbo Diesel so fun to drive through the canyons and back roads! 425 lbs.ft of torque - more torque than the M3 and M4.
Our rigging here was no different than it is in any other review - and as you've seen we generally have little to no shake. It bugs us here too, but its a factor of the road in this case (which was pretty but far from smooth) more than anything else. There's always something to improve on. Thanks for watching and liking what we do! Please share us with others!
Should have driven an M Sport version maybe? I'm on the fence with the 335i and the IS350 F Sport myself. Both excellent cars but the M Sport package made a difference.
6SpeedTA95 how much more did it cost though?
6SpeedTA95 Drove both of those and it's not even close ... the BMW 335i is the way to go; better performance and looks far better (admittedly subjective). My 2nd choice was the Audi A4, then Cadillac ATS, Mercedes, and Lexus at 5th.
I disagree, I own a 2015 335i M Sport. The chassis in the Caddy and Lexus (assuming F Sport package) are better. The BMW engine/trans combination is fantastic and in terms of raw numbers its hard to go wrong with the 335i. In terms of driving feel? It's got nothing on my friend's that own E90 cars. Lexus drivetrain is dated, but the dynamics/turn-in etc was better.
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Yeah the bmw is in another level as a whole product for sure.
You guys need a raise! Some of the best down-to-earth reviews on the internet!
I stumbled across your youtube channel yesterday and So far I have watched the gt350 vs boss 302, 4 generations of Miata and BMW 335i review, M1 M3 Boss 302 comparo. M235 vs S3.
I Really like the videos. Keep up the great work!
Best regards
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Guys! I can't say enough about how excited I am when I see one of your videos in my subscription box waiting for me. And another non disappointed video can't wait for the next 2 to follow. You guys are the absolute BEST on RUclips to bring your professional opinions to life.
I totally agree about the way the rear end gets upset when it hits a bump. It takes away the feeling of confidence you get from the rest of the car.
I would imagine it's an easy fix with better springs or possibly struts.
Not to sure why the M Sport package wasn't used for the 335i, all of the bad things he said about suspension and Role wouldn't have happened.
M sport suspension is same as sport line unless you opt for m adaptive, but sport mode in m adaptive is very similar to non-adjustable sport suspension, no lower. M Performance suspension (not a factory option) is the way to go.
Ah I didn't know that they are the same from factory on the suspension. My 335d has the full performance package which looks and drives great. Cheers
Your videos continue to be the best 2-10 minutes I can spend on RUclips. I need more though, lots more!!
2013 Lexus IS 350 F sport hands down. Reliable, Refined, and best overall :) cannot wait for that review! Test drive one! really amazing!
I love what Cadillac is doing with all of their latest generation cars. I can't wait for the ATS review next!
You've hit on exactly the reason why the Lexus is included - with the updated GS and the new IS, they are trying to offer enthusiast versions of their cars. Cadillac is in a similar place with their new models. So, we wanted to put them against the 3 series benchmark. As far as Mercedes and Infinity go, they didn't have a new/updated model available yet for this comparo. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
Love your videos guys, the commentary is always spot on. Can't wait for the next video, really excited to see how the ats fairs
Did the Evo X MR you reviewed feel faster then the 335?
Nice job guys! Always a fair and unbiased review. It is quite surprising that its not as stable in the turns as one would hope given the heritage.
I just bought a 2011 bmw 335i m sport and i can say that its an amazing car. It feels so fast and the turbos make an amazing beautiful sound and the exhaust 😮😮👌🏻👌🏻
I think you mean turbo! But yes it is an amazing car!
+Edward Lytle It's twin turbo. So yes, turbos.
+JE V errr... Twin power turbo. Single twin scroll turbo....
+beastly16 I
It's got 2 low pressure turbochargers to minimized lag. Go read the specs. Perhaps look at the pictures. If you still don't understand I'll post a link for you.
+JE V here buddy, read up about what is under the hood of your own car.
www.automotiveaddicts.com/15609/2011-bmw-335i-m-sport-review-test-drive
I always hate it when people that don't know anything about design and have no artistic talent criticize a car's look. The BMW is beautiful! It doesn't look pinched.
Really looking forward to the ATS review next time. Can't wait to see how it stacks up to these two. I think it's the best looking anyway.
That shot from 3:54 - 4:00 is totally lit 🔥
All the other reviews were fine. It's probably this particular song with my speakers. It also doesn't occur the whole time, there are just some parts where I have to concentrate a bit to understand everything. As long as nobody else complains you should be fine. Keep up the good work!
I've got the 335i E90 and hell it goes like a rocket!
Replace the run flats and find a temp spare on the internet. At least on E90's, it made a huge difference in ride, road feel, and probably even grip. Toss the spare in the trunk any time you venture far from home. When you sell it or turn it in, put the run flats back on (or sell them on ebay, as they cost more than non run-flats)
If only it had the hydrolic steering..you guys are the best!
BMW used to be known for making the sportiest handling cars on the market (within their classes). Now they're best at making engines. Their cars are some of the heaviest because they still use ER welds whereas other luxury carmakers are moving towards more efficient methods of welding and use of alluminium. Although, I'm expecting them to catch up with their next gen platforms, I don't think they will ever be heads and shoulders above their competition like they used to.
On the front end, it is because of pedestrian safety. To get the highest star ratings in crash tests, cars nowadays have to offer 100% not only for passengers, but also for pedestrians getting hit.
The above from what our dealer told us. We own a 2012 1-series, and it also has the flat nose. It grows on you after a while
Hate all of the new bimmer styling. Only the 6 series is pretty nice.
E46 and E92 are the nicest styling wise so far.
don't make us wait too long for your videos guys....any way love your reviews
How long can BMW rest on its laurels and chase volume leases before the brand becomes nothing more than a status symbol? (which it already is for many of its current lease holders) Or does BMW want to become Mercedes and build luxurious, large cars that just happen to have tons of power?.
The 335i isn't made to be a precision track car, if you want that from a 3 series then get an m3. It is made to be a luxury sport cruiser.
That's not even the M Sport F30 with the 704 Suspension...How about you try that.
This car has the Sport package, the 704 suspension is the same on the Sport and M-Sport BMWs. There are only 3 suspensions: Standard, 704 (Sport/M-Sport), and Adaptive Suspension (2VF).
E90 was the last drivers car. Love the f30. Owned 1. And my g30 for daily. But nothing compares to rawness of n54 e90.
Great review as always guys. One thing I noticed though was the video coming from your camera car was a bit shaky. Maybe you could use a wider lens or some image stabilization to remove this. I was watching this video in 1080p on a 22" monitor and the shake was fairly noticeable.
That is correct they were both brought to market the same year. However, the following year the 2.3 16v cosworth was brought to market and did very well and the racing curcuit. The acclaim to fame for the BMW sedan was in response to the 16v w201 which came in 1986 with the E30 M3 which was magnificent. Without that all important car a BMW sedan would just be that today.
Another nice review! I'm now looking forward to see how the IS and the ATS is compared to this one! Keep up the good work guys :)
Another quality review. Good job guys.
Loved the review. I trust you will be just as frank about the Lexus and the Caddy. I appreciate the way you two work as a team despite being filmed in different cars. The two voices and opinions are so often better than one. And some of the quotes are classic keepers; "a pack of ferral monkeys" just gotta love it. Keep it up.
its interesting they are similar in size and weight when they are all classified as a compact luxury saloon car? mind blown /s
At 4:21 you said that the 0-60 is 4.9 seconds, but then at the end you said it is 5.0 seconds. Anyway, good vid as always. Eagerly anticipating the Porsche video.
There's 2 turbos in the 335i. Other versions have 1. Also the default chassis is comfortable. For precision instrument, you need the m-sport package. Then it's the best. That's why BMW offers both.
i was an e90 owner, and i agree with this review (i did not buy an f30 at the end of my e90 lease). BMW did screw up with the front end and dulled the handling.
Hit the nail on the head with the engine. Bmw has got to be underrating that 300hp.
Nice review, MotorTrend and others say that the 325i is the one to get now over the 335i.
The 3 Series was introduced to the US in 1977. The e30 was introduced in 1981, a year before the W201.
Disappointing of BMW, the handling and balance has always been the "piece de resistance" of the 3 series. I'm in the market, you think the 335is coupe would get me the razor like handling I'm craving for, or should I wait and splurge for the M4? Keeping in mind I don't need the extra power?
Thanks for the review.
Everyday driver, Is the 0-60 4.9 or 5.0, make up your mind . You could be rounding but what's the point?
Beautifully done as always!
You guys did remember to put it into Sport Mode right? Steering is definitely tighter.
Still pales in comparison to e90 and e46. Sometimes I have to look down to make sure I actually put it in sport because the steering is still so light.
I hope you guys brought the IS350 F-Sport. Great review!
finally some honesty about the 3 series. for some odd reason, some ppl just wont give the caddy first place over the bmw. we all know the caddy is a better performance car
Floaty? Does this car have the DHP - Dynamic handling package?
This package has Variable suspension and Variable steering. It tightens everything and makes a lot more difference.
considering you haven't put up the Lexus video yet and have used the 335i, are you guys using the IS 350 for comparison? if not then, it wouldn't really be a fair comparison.
did you guys test an F30 with the DHP option? Because I have it on my 335i and let me tell you it makes a world of difference. Also when with 245/40 non run flat tires on all four corners. Totally different feel to the car now from the 225/45 run flats.
yes i agree with what your saying about bmw tires. their run flat tires feel considerably worse in the handling department than the non run flats
Nice comparison! I'm really looking forward to the Lexus IS review!
have you driven one of the new is350 it is actually pretty good not much feel but handles pretty well and the 3.5 v6 is pretty punchy
you guys rock man. great review Fellas . I agree with u both said abut the 3 series i drove one yes this car is to expensive and the car has body roll . can,t wait for the other review/
why didn't you guys test drive the 335i Msport, with staggered set up, its lower 10mm, and better brakes than the one you test drove it, i have one in eb2 and I love it and I didn't even consider the competition when I purchased it
E90 335 VS. F30 335! Please!!
What suspension system did you have? Adaptive M suspension? Also did you have any of the servotronic steering systems?
FINALLY....they're BACK..
I still have no clue why the 335i absolutely smokes the competition in the powertrain department. Like If I am honest, its so much faster than the other two that the feeling of , a lack of accuracy in the steering and suspension is almost overcome by the sheer power. 300 HP..... haha ya right! Have you guys been able to test the 335i Xdrive M-sport? Motortrend tested it and its a Rocket!
very consistent with other reviews so far, now i'm wondering how the m-sport suspension, would it make it perfect? then again, wish bmw would stop making everything so complicated and just make one good setting and let it be!
Great Review as always. But can you turn the music down a little bit? Maybe it's just my Laptop Speakers (Dolby Home Theater v4) but I almost have a hard time understanding you guys because the music is so present.
Paul and Todd are spot on when compared to what other reviewers are saying about the f30; It's good, but not great. and that's what is disappointing especially for the price BMW is asking for the F30. Personally, i'd rather get a used e90 or even an e46.
Excellent review! The more I see/research the BMW f30, the more I want to keep my e92 335i and perhaps consider other brands. I agree that the front of the f30 (and it's almost twin but pricier f32 4-series coupe) looking pinched, the face just doesn't flow/fit with the beautiful side and rear surfaces of the car. It also just looks too big and "floaty" compared to past 3-series (e46, e90). I'm anxious to watch the next video to see if the new Lexus IS can compare with the Bimmer's handling.
The body roll and steering were designed with comfort in mind, not flogging it on the race track and...
It's lower HP rating feels better cause its an inline 6, not a crappy V.
I have the E90 330i and I flirted with the idea to purchasing the new F30. I test drove the 328i and I was surprised that my E90 with 100k miles felt better. My steering, suspension and performance made me happy. This was the first time I left the BMW lot not envying the new 3 series. I'd stick to the E90 folks if you're looking for a 3 series.
Another comment, the F30 m sport is so much sexier at the rear than my old E90! And the front end grows on you, it's a much more aggressive look, for f30 must have is xenon headlight and again M Sport package,,
I've got a 328 M-Sport and the handling is amazing. I think the M-Sport is without a doubt the only way to own the F30.
do you guys think the m4 will get a more tuned version of the 335 engine? since theyre both twin turbo v6?
I think this BMW wasn't equiped with the DHP (Dynamic Handling Package) was it? Only the sport suspension (10mm lower, bit firmer, but without the eletronic dampening control)?
more power, more fuel efficiency, better interior. the m-sport version looks incredible.
isnt there an m sport package 1 and 2 for this car? i hear upgrades range from adaptive m suspension to even power boost and improved exhaust
I think that the body roll could be a wide effect of not having the m sport suspension option on the car. Ithe only thing I don't like about the m sport suspension is that it's an option. It should be standard on the 335i.
Paul and Todd, great video and comparison, though I do have to say I'm rather disappointed that the BMW came up short. I have never owned one, but its always been my dream to own one, and I was looking to get a 335i sedan over the next few months, so the fact that it came up short is forcing a rethink, hence the disappointment :-(
I mean the M sport package, not the M3. With the M sport package u get fat low pro tires and stiffer suspension and over all a bit more sporty performance and equipment like seats, steering and a bit more responsive programming. The only thing that makes the new 3s diff from the prev 3 is the electric power steering.
Actually I was a Lexus fanatic - but I decided to go for the 328 x drive and I have to say - it just feels like the best all round car . I now have
168;000 km sine I bought it new as a 2014 model and now I am in the BMW camp . I had a 2007 Lexus IS 350 and I loved that car but the 328 just feels like Goldilocks.
I have just upgraded my E90 330, which I have kept, replaced with a 2013 msport 328, if you are upgrading you must! get an m sport, then E90 owners will not be disappointed, in so many ways my F30 is far superior to my E90, not to mention more modern....both are great in their own way....
From what I can find reading online the M sport handles no better than a no-line car with the adaptive suspension and a set of nice sized wheels/tires. The seats are better for those who find them comfortable. But it's something over $3,000 and you don't have the option of softening the ride w/o another $1,000.
Bruno TaTa I just picked up an 328 is m sport and I have to agree with you on the seats .. They tend to be very uncomfortable on drives longer then 10 minutes...
Does the F30 have the throttle lag of the E90?
It is a great video. would you please make a new one about the 2017 Cadillac ats. Thanks
Please retest 335i with M package. Thanks!
This is going to be an excellent comparison so long as they are equally matched (BMW 335i, IS 350, and ATS 3.6).
In case anyone is curious -- the updated 340i is still very boring. I have the M Sport and manual, 2017.
Pros: it's quick. The suspension is actually quite nicely balanced in "Comfort" mode. The engine is really buttery smooth. The available heads-up display is beautiful, easy to read, and displays just the right amount of information.
Cons: The The steering is a disaster, completely lifeless and numb. I am selling mine after a year of wanting to like it. Switching the setting to "Sport" just augments the artificial heft/resistance, but it makes the huge dead zone on-center more apparent and more annoying. The E90 was one of the best sedans I have ever driven, so it was my dream car. IMO the steering was one of the biggest factors that allowed the 3-series to stand out as the "Ultimate Driving Machine." I imagine the steering slop is designed for the texting generation who might be prone to mindlessly sawing their steering wheels back and forth ...
was this filmed on route Napoleon?