Your whiff creation guide a couple of years back was probably the most useful guide I have ever seen and taught me a lot about how to actually use movement so I am glad to see you releasing more good information even now. Alissa is the only one of the characters I played in T7 I haven't tried out in 8 yet so this has motived me to go give her a go since a lot of what I like seems to still be there.
You already know my opinion about your Alisa whiff creation video (it's the video that made me sub to you). I see you're starting strong with Tekken 8! Very useful video. Looking forward to more Tekken 8 Alisa videos, be it tech, guides, or online matches~
As a ling main. Your whiff creation guide even helps us out. It can be applied with her ff3, df1, b2, and even b3. Thank you for helping the entirety of the Tekken community. Not just Alisa mains.❤
Yes, also WS+3,3 and f,f+4 are safe and f+2,1 has changed from -13 to -10, while becoming a full launcher in heat. Welcome to Heihachi with -11 sweep gaming, I dare you to duck
Hoping for good stuff. You helpped me a LOT in reaching Tekken King with Alisa in Tekken 7. Glad to see you making tekken 8 content. I am currently at Eliminator and starting to struggle in the ranks now.
Bro this is the best Alisa changes videos I've seen now!!! Gaji you are still best when It comes to having Alisa info 🙌🏼💯❤️ So impressed by the changes especially the DES buff and new well combo 💯💯💯
I used to play Alisa, not as my main, but just for fun. Never really played her in a serious way. I would laugh my ass off everytime I get b1,1+2 counter hit launch. But now she seems like I could take her more seriously. I will pick her up again.
Unfortunately, the launch and filler part of her combos have changed very little, making her feel kinda old. Would have loved for more combo move variety to give her a more fresh feel. I've done those combos since T6, come on.
Been going back and forth on this video. I love your vids and I've been trying out the stuff you have here. my typical wall combo are sort ofa variation: A) W! f2,3,3 B) W! db1,2 - f2.3.3 C) W! b4,3 - (not gauranteed) d2,4, 1+2 des mix (if they dont quick recover) D) W! b4.3. 1+2 des mix (if I see them quick recover) But ive noticed your wallcombos are either A) W! b3+4 - u1 - boot 3 B) W! u1 - boot 3 Is that really "gauranteed"? Ive tried it in practice and so far there isn't a scenario the dummy can block/evade it. Seems like it tracks both way and hit grouded. I'm willing to drop my current 4 wall combos if it is lol and why do you do b3+4 instead of db1,2 for more damage?
u1,f3 DBT 4 is like Bob's wall combo from Tekken 7, it can whiff against ground roll right if they have enough space that way, but seems often guaranteed. Yes db1,2 is the preferable single hit tornado but when it's too slow b3+4 is the second best option
@@gajimaru2570 :O ok then that's what I wanted to hear! ok im gonna use this wall combo from now on. I actually didn't even consider using b3+4 since it was a move I never used in T7. So thanks for the info! I always learn a lot in your vids. My old YT account is gone so I recently re subbed to you lol I cannot stress enough how much you helped me in T7 ranked (I was stuck in vanquisher before you came in). I am hoping for more content in the future!
When labbed a little 1,2, hold 2 can combo into b3+4 to have a tornado So : 1,2 hold 2 > b3+4 > df2 > df1 > df1 > 1,2,2 for wall carry I didn’t labbed much but with wall combo i could get around 80 damage from a low xD pretty sure we can do better
If you happen to be in heat it is your safe mid launcher that you normally don't have. Might spam those shoeshines and DES d+2 then bust out a 1+2 when your heat is running out. Have to see how that plays out
The new 12f punisher 2,2 [imo] is worse than 2,4 back in the day Also,u/d3+1and f,f 1+2 in destructive form is not knockdown or lauch so it's a nerf too😢
Those who played a solid, minimalistic Alisa in T7 saw many of their key tools nerfed: db+3 worse frames, df+1,4 punishable, b+4,4 combo lower damage, f,f+1+2,2 wall combo removed... Only if you're willing to move on and use the whole movelist will you see the strengths. A lot of Alisa players panicked on day 1!
No tornado move in DES is a big nerf, mainly bc she can't launch after DES f1+2. Now she has to be in heat and use heat dash to launch. DES f1+2 has more pushback on block, so she can't make use of the + frames. DES f1+2 is the only reliable + on block mid Alisa has, so nerfing its damage and giving it more pushback definitely hurts her. Her i14 punish doesn't launch anymore, now it only gives her a grounded hit, and no floor break unless she sacrifices half of her combo damage. Big nerf df1,4 is +3 on hit now, it used to be +5 and you could do it again to punish mashers, but now it can be interrupted if the opponent mashes. And on top of that, it's unsafe now. Another big nerf She doesn't have a low combo extender anymore (d4,1+2). Having a low combo extender is huge for easy pickups and making many unique combos possible, so this is a big loss. f2,1 doesn't wall pounce, and this is not a universal nerf bc many characters didn't have useful wall pounces in TK7, so this is a notable nerf. WR3,4 doesn't launch airborne opponents anymore. This is a nerf I already felt on day 1, and it's a bigger nerf than ppl think. ff3,4,4 doesn't launch anymore. This was the only long range launcher Alisa had that launches both standing and airborne opponents, so it had practical uses. s4 doesn't knockdown on NH anymore. etc. Other nerfs were mentioned, like db3 being -13 now (which is big) and -2 on hit, b4,4 lower combo damage, ff1+2,2 wall ender removed, and CH 4 launch removed. I think Alisa is overall stronger now, but she definitely lost many things in the transition to TK8.
f+2,1 doesn't wall bounce but it does launch in heat. Still seems to be homing at tip range (round start range), still unpunishable from tip range, and still very good for keepout. Once you've taught your opponent b+1 and db+3 keepout range and they aim their dash blocks for that range, f+2 with its longer range catches those dashes. One of my all time favourite moves, wall or no wall, and down from -13 to -10 now!
@@gajimaru2570 Yeah I know it launches in heat, but that's only once per round, and you don't always have heat. I do like that it's -10 now, though! I didn't talk about the buffs Alisa got because my comment was already long enough, and the comment was asking about her nerfs anyway. But I did mention that she's overall stronger now IMO.
@@gajimaru2570 can you still just frame block lows in DS ? I know you can in t7 ( that was big shock to people when i showed this to anyone ) but haven't try it in t8
Better in a lot of ways but the global 4 CH nerf hurt her a bit. Also, the new string 2,2 replaced the 2,4 string which is so much better than 2,2 in all ways other than animation.
Your whiff creation guide a couple of years back was probably the most useful guide I have ever seen and taught me a lot about how to actually use movement so I am glad to see you releasing more good information even now.
Alissa is the only one of the characters I played in T7 I haven't tried out in 8 yet so this has motived me to go give her a go since a lot of what I like seems to still be there.
他のコメントでも言われてますが前のスカ確の動画もそうなんですが、わかりやすく重要なことをまとめていただき助かっています！
Someone else mentioned this too, your whiff creation video was such a great help! Thank you so much for this guide!💖
Wow!
Your Alisa guides are always helpful.
Nice to see this guide as early as 1st week of T8
Thank you so much!
- Alisa Main
I absolutely love all of your Alisa videos! Thank you for the info! See you in the god ranks 💪🏾😎💯
You already know my opinion about your Alisa whiff creation video (it's the video that made me sub to you). I see you're starting strong with Tekken 8! Very useful video.
Looking forward to more Tekken 8 Alisa videos, be it tech, guides, or online matches~
Thank you for the support! I was too busy in 7 to make the content I wanted, but might get further this time
Yaaay! Ikimasu!
Didn't expect to see you here saori
@@akshaybhardwaj1505 hello akshay!
As a ling main. Your whiff creation guide even helps us out. It can be applied with her ff3, df1, b2, and even b3. Thank you for helping the entirety of the Tekken community. Not just Alisa mains.❤
Great video! I tried to learn Alisa in T7 but I mostly played Steve, but I'm really loving her in T8, I think I'm an Alisa main ❤
Can't stop being thankful for your videos! 🙏
For her mids, b+2 by itself is also now safe on block so you can hit confirm into b+2,4.
Yes, also WS+3,3 and f,f+4 are safe and f+2,1 has changed from -13 to -10, while becoming a full launcher in heat. Welcome to Heihachi with -11 sweep gaming, I dare you to duck
Thank you for this!
I look forward to anything more she could offer in T8 ~
Nice guide! On this day a try Alisa!
Hoping for good stuff. You helpped me a LOT in reaching Tekken King with Alisa in Tekken 7. Glad to see you making tekken 8 content.
I am currently at Eliminator and starting to struggle in the ranks now.
Bro this is the best Alisa changes videos I've seen now!!! Gaji you are still best when It comes to having Alisa info 🙌🏼💯❤️
So impressed by the changes especially the DES buff and new well combo 💯💯💯
can u tell me what is DES
Just finished the video. Great stuff you really are the best Alisa youtuber here. Good luck man!
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU! You're my fav creator for alisa player, your whiff videos really helps me. Thx for the vids ❤
I wish I saw this earlier, this is a wonderful video ❤
So helpful to see how I should update my Alisa plan
man i really thank you for the infos, hope you make miore alisa videos in the future (((:
very useful info GAJI :D will be sharing !
全キャラこういうの欲しくなっちゃいますね、ありがとう
Worth noting: back/forward dash in DES doesn’t allow cancel to block. More risk than neutral dashes. Still a big buff if you use it well.
You made us all better on alisa in tekken 7, very happy to see you do the same for tekken 8!
You're the best alisa sensei ♥
Thanks for this Video
Now I totally understand Alisa in tekken 8
I MAIN her since tekken tag 2
I used to play Alisa, not as my main, but just for fun. Never really played her in a serious way. I would laugh my ass off everytime I get b1,1+2 counter hit launch. But now she seems like I could take her more seriously. I will pick her up again.
控えめに言って神。感謝しかない。
The GOAT Alisa content creator dropping the T8 bomb! 💣♥
Nice ty!
The legend doing videos again PogChamp
love your videos & edits. you are my alisa's guide idol
最and高の動画をありがとうございます！
great video! would love something on her gameplan going into/ when in heat
We are all trying to figure that out!
Полезное видио👍
thank you for very informative video
That's the best Alisa video I've ever seen
Unfortunately, the launch and filler part of her combos have changed very little, making her feel kinda old. Would have loved for more combo move variety to give her a more fresh feel. I've done those combos since T6, come on.
Agreed, she not be as much change as she should but i think more & more are coming soon
同感です😂なんか太ったよねアリサちゃん
Thank you for making this... Are you planning on making a combo guide for tekken 8?
I have recorded a combo guide but am waiting for tomorrow's patch in case the combos change
韓国ではCHANELさん以外アリサ使い殆ど壊滅状態だから情報少なすぎる
日本語勉強しといて良かった
すごく参考になりました😊
ありがとうございます！아뮤さんや리아드모さんの配信も観るといいかも！
Ty for this guide
Great video thanks
Awesome video
Hope see more of u 😊❤
You can enter B and DB after her heat smash!
what is B and DB. I think DB is dual boot?
@@cokefloat18 yes‼️
He has returned
Been going back and forth on this video. I love your vids and I've been trying out the stuff you have here.
my typical wall combo are sort ofa variation:
A) W! f2,3,3
B) W! db1,2 - f2.3.3
C) W! b4,3 - (not gauranteed) d2,4, 1+2 des mix (if they dont quick recover)
D) W! b4.3. 1+2 des mix (if I see them quick recover)
But ive noticed your wallcombos are either
A) W! b3+4 - u1 - boot 3
B) W! u1 - boot 3
Is that really "gauranteed"? Ive tried it in practice and so far there isn't a scenario the dummy can block/evade it. Seems like it tracks both way and hit grouded.
I'm willing to drop my current 4 wall combos if it is lol and why do you do b3+4 instead of db1,2 for more damage?
u1,f3 DBT 4 is like Bob's wall combo from Tekken 7, it can whiff against ground roll right if they have enough space that way, but seems often guaranteed. Yes db1,2 is the preferable single hit tornado but when it's too slow b3+4 is the second best option
@@gajimaru2570 :O ok then that's what I wanted to hear! ok im gonna use this wall combo from now on. I actually didn't even consider using b3+4 since it was a move I never used in T7. So thanks for the info!
I always learn a lot in your vids. My old YT account is gone so I recently re subbed to you lol I cannot stress enough how much you helped me in T7 ranked (I was stuck in vanquisher before you came in). I am hoping for more content in the future!
Thanks for the guide, now it's time to hit the lab with this new Alisa.
When labbed a little
1,2, hold 2 can combo into b3+4 to have a tornado
So : 1,2 hold 2 > b3+4 > df2 > df1 > df1 > 1,2,2 for wall carry
I didn’t labbed much but with wall combo i could get around 80 damage from a low xD pretty sure we can do better
Good to know this alternative pickup! But you can ws1 too, that's the old combo
I couldn't reproduce this, do you have a video of what it looks like?
@@wtosh6656 ima upload it hold up
@@wtosh6656 ruclips.net/video/d1cu5VU09pE/видео.htmlsi=0os-awblpYSzsgdV
ディープウェーブか2WKにもう少し差別化欲しかったけど、2RK連ガはあつい
I thought 1+2 was going to be plus from the trailers but no it's a useless move. Better to throw out a f4 into chainsaw. Great video though, subbed :)
If you happen to be in heat it is your safe mid launcher that you normally don't have. Might spam those shoeshines and DES d+2 then bust out a 1+2 when your heat is running out. Have to see how that plays out
at 4:54, how did you manage to duck while in chainsaw stance
Press db while there is a high attack on the screen
Могу я чем-то помочь?
well something strange happened with Alisa recently, only her moves and input became more interesting a bit
She seems super strong, her combo damage also looks much better. Did anything about her get worse aside from CH4?
The new 12f punisher 2,2 [imo] is worse than 2,4 back in the day
Also,u/d3+1and f,f 1+2 in destructive form is not knockdown or lauch so it's a nerf too😢
Those who played a solid, minimalistic Alisa in T7 saw many of their key tools nerfed: db+3 worse frames, df+1,4 punishable, b+4,4 combo lower damage, f,f+1+2,2 wall combo removed... Only if you're willing to move on and use the whole movelist will you see the strengths. A lot of Alisa players panicked on day 1!
No tornado move in DES is a big nerf, mainly bc she can't launch after DES f1+2. Now she has to be in heat and use heat dash to launch.
DES f1+2 has more pushback on block, so she can't make use of the + frames. DES f1+2 is the only reliable + on block mid Alisa has, so nerfing its damage and giving it more pushback definitely hurts her.
Her i14 punish doesn't launch anymore, now it only gives her a grounded hit, and no floor break unless she sacrifices half of her combo damage. Big nerf
df1,4 is +3 on hit now, it used to be +5 and you could do it again to punish mashers, but now it can be interrupted if the opponent mashes. And on top of that, it's unsafe now. Another big nerf
She doesn't have a low combo extender anymore (d4,1+2). Having a low combo extender is huge for easy pickups and making many unique combos possible, so this is a big loss.
f2,1 doesn't wall pounce, and this is not a universal nerf bc many characters didn't have useful wall pounces in TK7, so this is a notable nerf.
WR3,4 doesn't launch airborne opponents anymore. This is a nerf I already felt on day 1, and it's a bigger nerf than ppl think.
ff3,4,4 doesn't launch anymore. This was the only long range launcher Alisa had that launches both standing and airborne opponents, so it had practical uses.
s4 doesn't knockdown on NH anymore. etc.
Other nerfs were mentioned, like db3 being -13 now (which is big) and -2 on hit, b4,4 lower combo damage, ff1+2,2 wall ender removed, and CH 4 launch removed.
I think Alisa is overall stronger now, but she definitely lost many things in the transition to TK8.
f+2,1 doesn't wall bounce but it does launch in heat. Still seems to be homing at tip range (round start range), still unpunishable from tip range, and still very good for keepout. Once you've taught your opponent b+1 and db+3 keepout range and they aim their dash blocks for that range, f+2 with its longer range catches those dashes. One of my all time favourite moves, wall or no wall, and down from -13 to -10 now!
@@gajimaru2570 Yeah I know it launches in heat, but that's only once per round, and you don't always have heat. I do like that it's -10 now, though!
I didn't talk about the buffs Alisa got because my comment was already long enough, and the comment was asking about her nerfs anyway. But I did mention that she's overall stronger now IMO.
you will update the whiff creation guide good sir?
That's the plan!
havent play T8 yet.. does db 22, f 32 guarantee combo still there?
No. Instead db+2,2 is a natural combo on normal hit so you can use it against opponents who duck to get +5 into chainsaws
Wait how did you do the chainsaw to duck WS2 in 4:55?
Press db when there's a high on the screen
@@gajimaru2570 can you still just frame block lows in DS ? I know you can in t7 ( that was big shock to people when i showed this to anyone ) but haven't try it in t8
@@bartekwoj2773 You can block lows without any just frames, just like in T7.
防御してるだけで相手が負けるキャラはおかしいと思う
А чем поможешь то, если модель Алисы дашь, буду благодарен
I knew she was better but i didnt know she was SO MUCH BETTER
Better in a lot of ways but the global 4 CH nerf hurt her a bit. Also, the new string 2,2 replaced the 2,4 string which is so much better than 2,2 in all ways other than animation.
@@munchkimmy25 I guess but the positives outweigh the negatives
@@munchkimmy25 What is CH
:3