French Rentals - tips and options for expats moving to France

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  • Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2024

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  • @thierryf67
    @thierryf67 3 месяца назад +35

    for medium to long rental, there's "appartements meublés" (apartment with furniture), less expensive than AirBn'B or gite or vacation rental, but more than empty apartments. there's all inside, usually, you just have to drop your luggage. As a french, i used this formula for a stay for work far from my home, for several years (!). And a important point, the contract for rental with furniture ("meublés") is less regulated than the "unfurnitured" rental. So take attention to what you sign...

  • @couli1807
    @couli1807 3 месяца назад +10

    Good video! Seems a bit on the optimistic side though. Being a French guy who has lived in various countries, I reckon that France is the most difficult country I experienced regarding home rental. As mentioned in the video, tenants are highly protected (too much in my opinion) by French laws, for example a family with children cannot be evicted over the winter months. As a result, landlords are very careful when picking tenants and usually require a lot of securities. In the most favorable case, that is your being employed by a French company (landlords love that because they are allowed by law, in case of tenant's default, to turn to the employer and have the rental fee withheld from the tenant's salary and paid directly to them, but it doesn't work with a company not registered in France), if the monthly rental fee exceeds 30% of your net monthly revenues, the landlord will usually require a guarantor. To give you an example, I moved back to France in 2012, with an employment contract with a foreign company and I must say a comfortable salary, well beyond the 30% rule. I had to set up an irrevocable bank guarantee (for which I had to pay yearly fees to the bank in the vicinity of 3% of the amount) in favor of the landlord for an amount corresponding to 6 months of rent...and I had to negotiate harshly as they initially requested 1 year! When I left after 2 years, they dragged their feet for 3 months before liberating the guarantee! And this was offered to me only because the property was administered through a real-estate company, an individual landlord would never have accepted that. Good news is that it concerns only long-term rentals (contrat de bail). For short-term rentals, up to 6 months, things are much easier and straightforward as they are assimilated to hotel services. But of course they are more expensive. In all cases, expect to pay upfront 1 or 2-month rent plus a 1-month rent deposit to cover potential damages to the property. This deposit is normally returned to you when you leave but most landlords will do their best not to return it, at least in full. So pay extreme attention to the contradictory inventories (état des lieux) made in your presence, one before you enter and one when you leave. Any hole that you drilled during your stay to hang grandpa's portrait may be deducted from your deposit! Also if the property you rent has a garden be careful to specify, in as many details as possible, in an Annex to the contract, what your and the landlord's obligations are in terms of care or maintenance of the garden. Laws are very clear about that regarding the building itself but kind of blurry for outdoor spaces. So good luck and be prepared for many hurdles.

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +2

      This was a helpful and really enlightening comment. We had no idea about the landlords ability to deduct rent from your wages if you work for a French company. Fascinating, and makes a lot more sense why many prefer that over everything else. Thanks for adding to the conversation and watching! 🙂

  • @bernotic
    @bernotic 3 месяца назад +10

    As french citizen, I moved often (Bordeaux, Paris, Toulouse, etc...) I used Airbnb solution for the first 3 monts to found the place I wanted to stay longer.
    Great advice video 👍

    • @ilovemovies725
      @ilovemovies725 9 дней назад

      You mustn't encourage airbn'b! It's killing the economy of renting. Should be a law against it.

    • @bernotic
      @bernotic 9 дней назад

      @ilovemovies725 most of the time, it is much more easier to found a housing, using Airbnb than traditional real estate agencies with all their requirements such as parents guarantee!!!!
      I​ am working since 20 years and far to be a student.
      I also changed the contact from Airbnb to rent one and owners were always happy to make because they could see how I care about the housing.
      So, I will recommend to use Airbnb (or another solution) to start rent and check with the owner to move to traditional rent contract after 2 or 3 months.

  • @GorgieClarissa
    @GorgieClarissa 3 месяца назад +8

    Um I needed this..... as I am moving to France NEXT MONTH!!! Merci beaucoup!

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад

      Bon chance!!

    • @first-dooblette6911
      @first-dooblette6911 3 месяца назад +2

      ​​​@@BaguetteBoundNo,like that. Bonne chance 😉 but it’s normal, it’s learning, just try 😉bon=masculine bonne=feminine

    • @budapestkeletistationvoices
      @budapestkeletistationvoices 3 месяца назад +2

      @@BaguetteBound chance is feminine= bonne chance 🤓

    • @Labibablog56
      @Labibablog56 3 месяца назад

      @@GorgieClarissa Have you seen KJ and Tony Love France? I love their channel.

  • @amandajane9
    @amandajane9 3 месяца назад +5

    I love the "real talk" about your first rental! You have such an encouraging attitude. Thanks for the pointers!

  • @madbell931
    @madbell931 3 месяца назад +5

    Oh I missed you guys!! I hope you're having great summer in the south-ouest!

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +2

      Merci!! We took some time off with all our family visiting this summer and its been great. When you buy a house, people start showing up! 😂
      But we're back and happy to see y'all back in the comments too! ❤

  • @first-dooblette6911
    @first-dooblette6911 3 месяца назад +20

    Hello from Nantes, it would be nice to make a video of the region you live in or even the regions you visit. This is just a suggestion but one that would surely please your subscribers (like me😉). I hope you are enjoying the end of the holidays, the return to life is approaching🥺

    • @adamtorgy
      @adamtorgy 3 месяца назад +1

      I like the family perspective, nobody else talks about schools and kid activities

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +4

      We like this idea too! We are learning to get better at filming "on location". It's a really skill. But we do hope to do this in the future, thanks for the suggestion.
      We're enjoying these last days of l'été...j'espère vous êtes aussi !🙂

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@adamtorgythank you - that's part of why we started. It was so hard to find when we were looking!

    • @first-dooblette6911
      @first-dooblette6911 3 месяца назад

      ​​​​​@@BaguetteBound You must know Joan of Arc, our pride, our national hero (and now it's yours too, it's no longer Spiderman🤣) Why not one day, go to Donremy, the native village of Joan of Arc, and there is still this house and to introduce your community to our great history of France, but it is only a suggestion, but also the basilica saint Denis (my name😉), where many of our kings are buried or the cathedral of Reims, where many of our kings were sacred king..., in short the history of France, in the futur of course😉

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@first-dooblette6911Juliana is facinated by Joan of Arc, she would like this.

  • @chucku00
    @chucku00 3 месяца назад +5

    Basic French vocabulary for ground level floor features : rez-de-chaussée (often abbreviated in RdC in written descriptions). A house that doesn't have upstairs (but that can have "combles", unusable space under the roof or even an attic) is called "maison de plain pied" (single storey house). A crawl space is called "vide sanitaire".
    In addition to leboncoin and if you're on a shoestring budget (or you're planning to buy later in shops), there's recupe (donner au lieu de jeter - give away instead of throw away) that lists various objects (including furniture and home appliances) given away by people who don't want to pointlessly throw them in a dump. But if you want to get some "big" furniture or appliance like a table or a washing machine you'd have to rent a van to get these objects.

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +1

      Thanks!!

    • @chucku00
      @chucku00 3 месяца назад

      @@BaguetteBound Je vous en prie !

  • @BP-nn7tq
    @BP-nn7tq 3 месяца назад +2

    ❤❤❤this is amazing, thank you. After all my research before moving to France I keep learning new things 🎉

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад

      Yay, happy to help. Thanks for watching!

  • @pedroghirotti
    @pedroghirotti Месяц назад

    Great video! You guys know exactly how to address the subject. Thank you!

  • @earlyNova
    @earlyNova 3 месяца назад +1

    Another funny thing about buildings in France: Some are built BELOW ground level - they have a “-1” floor (minus 1). So the first floor (rez-de-chaussée) is always at ground level, but you have to climb 5 or 6 stairs steps to get there.
    This is the case in my 3-storey building (actually 4 ½), which includes a basement containing the entrance hall and mailboxes.
    (I struggled with this post, hoping I've made myself clear) 😅😅.
    Greetings from an Alsatian!

  • @deck614
    @deck614 3 месяца назад +6

    "No toilet" in a French appartement is forbidden by French law. If somebody tries to rent some place with no toilet, it is not a living place (say a hangard) and you can get the gendarmes. When toilet is writen on the contract "on the common entry floor" (sur le pallier), then there IS a toilet.

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +1

      Thank you. We thought this was crazy when we heard this happening to someone! But all we could find in writing oddly was that there must be a kitchen sink.

  • @alwaysrollsa1
    @alwaysrollsa1 3 месяца назад

    Very thankful to have found your channel. We are coming to France for a month shortly and intend to move to the Bordeaux area from Canada. Your insights and content has been invaluable to us. Thank you.

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +1

      Good luck with the move and thanks for watching!!

    • @alwaysrollsa1
      @alwaysrollsa1 3 месяца назад

      @@BaguetteBoundhope to run into you some day there. Lunch on us if we do ❤

  • @jenniferlindorff9710
    @jenniferlindorff9710 2 месяца назад

    I really love your videos guys! Such great personalities and super helpful tips!

  • @theresebarr7619
    @theresebarr7619 3 месяца назад

    I just found your fabulous channel! I binged watched all of the vlogs! It’s fabulous! Very good information! We’re planning on moving when my husband retires (in about 7 years). In the meantime, we have been visiting different areas. In June, we spent a week in the Val de Loire, which we loved!
    Your house is lovely ❤️ Can’t wait for your next episode!

  • @jaenpierre2600
    @jaenpierre2600 3 месяца назад +2

    Bonjour a vous trois j'adore vos videos et vous aussi je vous souhaite plein de bonheur en France merci pour se que vous faites vraiment très belle videos bon courage moi je suis limite 03 Allier et 23 creuse très très beaux départements bonne journée a la prochaine vidéo 😊

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад

      Merci!! 😊 Et merci d'avoir regardé !

    • @joistannertasidrealtor9334
      @joistannertasidrealtor9334 3 месяца назад

      Very helpful. Thanks.
      And I recently found out you have connected with Tommy at traveltirement, who we watch and he is a guy from my hometown in NC. Small world! It's so much fun to watch people's journey, learn the various differences of France to US, and explore the needs and directions of moving, possibly next year. Interested in Dordogne or department nearby. We would be interested in renting at first, but not sure how long...3-6 months likely. Did you ship furniture from US? Or sell/ discard all?

  • @budapestkeletistationvoices
    @budapestkeletistationvoices 3 месяца назад

    I love your videos. I'm happy to see you happy and satisfied. Greetings from the UK❤

  • @joanrojas9084
    @joanrojas9084 3 месяца назад +1

    Amazing helpful step by step detail! Thanks so much!

  • @HoltEllen
    @HoltEllen 3 месяца назад +2

    Very helpful. Thank you so much!

  • @dianeshaskin4276
    @dianeshaskin4276 2 месяца назад

    Love your shirt Raina! So French! You both deliver the information very clearly. How have you tackled the "learning French" question?

  • @gsbeak
    @gsbeak 3 месяца назад +5

    "étage" means literally "elevated floor" which explains why ground floor cannot be 1rst floor but "rez de chaussée".

  • @sarahnd
    @sarahnd 3 месяца назад +3

    I'm surprised you didn't mention Gîtes de France for mid-term rentals. I'm showing my age, but before the internet we used to find rentals this way in the Gîtes de France catalogues and rent for a couple of weeks or months during our sabbatical years. This company has a long tradition in France and is now online, of course!

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад

      It's on our resource list. 🙂 But we've found there to be far fewer gites that can be rented in the off season for many months on that site, as they tend to be more focused on summer rentals. Not that you can't find options there! Just more to comb through.
      The nice thing about that site is they inspect properties and have rating you can trust.
      Thanks for mentioning it!

    • @CharlotteGil-dt3ox
      @CharlotteGil-dt3ox 9 дней назад

      C'était le bon vieux temps mais ca fonctionnait du tonnerre de dieu!

  • @timtarby-donald
    @timtarby-donald 3 месяца назад +4

    Folks leboncoin is Le Bon Coin and is pronounced le bon kwann (three separate words) and literally means the good corner

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +1

      Yes, thank you. I have never heard anyone (francophone or English speaking) in our part of France pronounce it as three separate words, it is always smashed together into one word. Appreciate the comment!

  • @InsideouttrainingWB
    @InsideouttrainingWB 3 месяца назад +1

    This was so helpful, thank you!❤

  • @lohphat
    @lohphat Месяц назад

    Ha!
    The modem connect sound is my phone ringtone (I used to run BBSes in the 80-90s) and I was wondering why my phone wasn’t vibrating.
    I need more coffee.

  • @bjjack5760
    @bjjack5760 2 месяца назад

    Thank you love your channel. So much helpful information. You are so correct about the place can be gone in the blink of an eye . Q: What do you think about the Adrian Leeds Group as a broker to find a place? Their prices are a bit expensive.

  • @nigels459
    @nigels459 3 месяца назад

    Great video, I love hearing about the differences between the USA and France. Your chemistry is wonderful. I know I would always be in trouble for talking over my partner 🙂

  • @thierryf67
    @thierryf67 3 месяца назад +2

    usually, the minimum contract of 3 years, in France, is a protection for the tenant of the location, not really for the owner, as you can leave the rental with a delay of 1 to 3 months (depending on the contract).

    • @elizzy8754
      @elizzy8754 3 месяца назад +1

      While people moving to France to settle are unlikely to be in default of rent payments, it is interesting to note that tenants cannot be evicted for non-payment of rent between 1 November and 31 March - it's called the winter truce (la trève d'hiver), nor can the landlord cut off the heating or electricity during that period. In general, tenants are fairly well protected in France.

  • @peterbedford2610
    @peterbedford2610 8 дней назад

    I'd like a two month stay. Sounds like airbnb might be the best route?

  • @Tino.1
    @Tino.1 3 месяца назад

    Great tips, thanks for all that info. On another note, is the middle name/middle initial required in documents i.e. for proof of address? Thanks

  • @chrystele-fr
    @chrystele-fr 12 дней назад

    French expat here who moved back to France after 10 years in the US and I’m looking for a rental in the Paris area since August. We are in November. I’m a small business owner and single. Well, without French tax notices and long term contract, it reveals impossible to rent anything even with excellent sponsors. I’m getting ready to be sponsored by a guarantor. It really became an ordeal to rent in France. If you are beyond 65 it’s even worse as the law is protecting seniors from eviction and as a consequence nobody wants to rent to seniors.

  • @skibum1990
    @skibum1990 9 дней назад

    Social Security does not issue a monthly statement. But they do issue an annual benefit (monthly payment amount) letter. Assume this letter plus bank statements will work?

  • @SueIsRetiringToFrance
    @SueIsRetiringToFrance 3 месяца назад

    THIS is the vid I have been seeking! TY! (Sue)

    • @Labibablog56
      @Labibablog56 3 месяца назад +1

      Have you seen KJ and Tony Love France? I love their channel.

    • @SueIsRetiringToFrance
      @SueIsRetiringToFrance 3 месяца назад

      @@Labibablog56 Yes, I subscribe!

  • @slicksalmon6948
    @slicksalmon6948 3 месяца назад +1

    Very helpful…thank you. How’s your French coming along?

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +2

      We had a four hour dinner with our French neighbors a couple weeks ago...and although we needed Juliana to help sometimes, we were able to communicate! So it's still terrible, but I know we couldn't have done that last year, so it's getting better.

    • @slicksalmon6948
      @slicksalmon6948 3 месяца назад

      @@BaguetteBound You might want to share your methodology. Learning French as an adult is difficult. For me, it’s a level of effort equal to a part-time job.

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +1

      ​@slicksalmon6948 oh yeah, it totally is (a part time job). And one we're not showing up to enough...I still get frustrated with how sometime I can understand most of the words, but still comprehend nothing. 🤦‍♀️
      But literally, I think it's time and exposure to the language. Just keep practicing, trying to speak, watching TV in French. We started watching French reality shows recently to try to learn to understand different French accents better.
      You'll get there!! 😄

    • @slicksalmon6948
      @slicksalmon6948 3 месяца назад

      @@BaguetteBound Linguist Dr Taylor Jones (LanguageJones) recently shared the story of a polyglot acquaintance of his who speaks 8 languages but only understands 7. The one he doesn’t understand is French. He can speak it just fine, he just can't understand it when spoken. Apparently, understanding spoken French is a skill not easily acquired. It’s an entirely different language than written French. Good luck!

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +1

      ​@slicksalmon6948 you just made me feel better! 😂

  • @StephanieHughesDesign
    @StephanieHughesDesign 6 дней назад

    Est-ce que louer une appartement en Dijon une bonne idee ? C'est abordable. On veut a voyage autour France, Sud de France et Espagne pour un mois et avoir centrale base. Nous cherchons à acheter une appartement ou petit maison en soit France ou Espagne.

  • @kiashaw
    @kiashaw 14 дней назад

    How does the internet work if you work from home and are moving there?

  • @davidgardin5775
    @davidgardin5775 9 дней назад

    You guys are so real and so helpful. Marci.

  • @rkw2917
    @rkw2917 Месяц назад

    Bare bulbs hanging from the ceiling could be considered a luxury in some areas here in Switzerland

  • @ElliavVaille
    @ElliavVaille 3 месяца назад

    Merci pour la vidéo

  • @fer.transformaciondigital
    @fer.transformaciondigital 3 месяца назад

    Hi! I would like to suggest a topic: How to enroll a kid into the public School system in France.. there is no much information about this topic on Line. Merci!

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +1

      Yes. This is definitely on our list.

  • @maisondaoki
    @maisondaoki 3 месяца назад +1

    I love your shirt.

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад

      Merci! It's Sezane, I'm not sure if they still have it, but I got it this year.

    • @first-dooblette6911
      @first-dooblette6911 3 месяца назад

      @@maisondaoki That’s a relevant comment🤣🤣

    • @maisondaoki
      @maisondaoki 3 месяца назад

      @@BaguetteBound thank you will check to see if they still have it!

    • @maisondaoki
      @maisondaoki 3 месяца назад

      @@first-dooblette6911 lolll I could not stop looking at the shirt, it’s just so beautiful!!

  • @paulin1606
    @paulin1606 3 месяца назад +1

    No toilet, i dont think so. Its forbidden by law, unless the accomodation is totally broken or vandalised. But as u visited it before, u are aware of that , so u dont rent it! it could be not working because the water is cut off; which is normal!! when u leave ur accomodation, u always call ur water company to stop ur contract, thus the water supply. So when u know where u are going to move in, u make the opposite step : u call the water company to reopen the contract. And when u enter ur apartment or house, u have water inside! In normal situation (99%) there will be always be a toilet working.

  • @first-dooblette6911
    @first-dooblette6911 3 месяца назад

    this modest donation which will help the pretty Juliana to follow in the footsteps of Joan of Arc😉and if you haven't already, read the last comment on Joan of Arc, I put some suggestions😉

  • @Lanahani1
    @Lanahani1 Месяц назад

    Well, this discouraging. We were ready to go to France but it seems like finding an apartment is next to impossible.

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  Месяц назад

      It just takes persistence! Don't give up.

  • @rjh2772
    @rjh2772 Месяц назад

    we will be in the process of applying for a visa and hopefully retiring in France we were told we must secure a long-term lease at the time of our visa application and a short-term Airbnb would not be accepted thus our visa application would be turned down can someone give us the honest recommendation.

  • @beauthestdane
    @beauthestdane 3 месяца назад

    My understanding from research for our upcoming move is that long term rentals can be very difficult for someone who does not have French sourced income.

    • @beauthestdane
      @beauthestdane 3 месяца назад

      This is regardless of how much money you may have, or how much income outside France you may have.

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад

      Yes. That's our understanding too and why we mentioned that one will be tricky. Especially if you're competing against other French people who DO have this.
      We think it comes down to the fact that it's unfamiliar for a landlord.
      This is often the reason foreigners use a broker. They often have contacts with landlords who are willing to accept non-french income sources.
      Good luck!

    • @Sonorus52
      @Sonorus52 3 месяца назад

      True but having a rental guarantee (as from Garant.me) can make a difference

    • @paulnorman-mi4jz
      @paulnorman-mi4jz 28 дней назад

      You are correct. My British retirement pension was not allowed to be counted when I was looking for a long term rental. This is especially true when you are looking via an agency. Luckily I found a landlord who did not go through an agency.

    • @beauthestdane
      @beauthestdane 28 дней назад

      @@paulnorman-mi4jz I have heard from a number of others that that is often the easiest solution.

  • @OrkChieftan
    @OrkChieftan 3 месяца назад +2

    Lyon might be my next job location… 1000 eur / month for a T2 is something that I do not look forward to (for the first year)
    What would be a great alternative for long term accommodation for a family (+2kids) near Lyon ?

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +1

      I wish we did. :/ But no. Lyon is so expensive now.

    • @OrkChieftan
      @OrkChieftan 3 месяца назад

      @@BaguetteBound Thanks (merci) for the reply. I guess I’ll just have to suck it up and negotiate (hard) with the hiring company every six months.

  • @Labibablog56
    @Labibablog56 3 месяца назад

    Nice video!!! Have you seen KJ and Tony Love France? I love their channel.

  • @uneparmilesautres
    @uneparmilesautres 3 месяца назад

    13,35: or maybe you just find a better rent. Or you just changed your mind.

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад

      Seriously amazing. Not possible in the US without contingent you a ton usually.

  • @JPS40
    @JPS40 3 месяца назад +2

    Thanks for the video! Have you thought about doing DNA tests? What might be amusing is if you were historic Frenchmen who went to the USA to finally come back to France where you feel at home. Best wishes

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад +1

      Lol, actually we do k’ow Jason's family is from the Alsace région- through the years sometimes they were French sometimes German depending on the border at the time.

    • @JPS40
      @JPS40 3 месяца назад

      ​@@BaguetteBound Wow interesting I have the same story in my family. My father is from Alsace, but my grandparents were born German.

    • @SD-cs1ti
      @SD-cs1ti 26 дней назад

      @@JPS40 Et bien , quel retour aux sources ,bienvenue chez vous

  • @houghi3826
    @houghi3826 3 месяца назад

    An expat is somebody who buys a house. An immigrant is someone who buys a home. I am an immigrant.

    • @BaguetteBound
      @BaguetteBound  3 месяца назад

      Home is where you make it. I'm glad you've found yours. 😊

  • @edhernandez4403
    @edhernandez4403 2 месяца назад

    Hi there, nice video! is there any way to contact you?. Thank you.