Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: M50 Sherman, Pt2
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
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This M50 is the slightly-less famous Israeli upgrade to Sherman, designed to keep the former M3 75mm tanks up to par alongside the 76mm M1 tanks. Don't worry if you have difficulty keeping up with Israeli Shermans, it's not an easy topic. This particular vehicle is owned and operated by Battlefield Vegas.
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Unlike World of Tanks you never let me down chieftain!
I dont even play WoT, but I love those videos
I enjoyed WoT back in the day.
The day WG gutted the AMX ELC bis is the day i stopped enjoying WoT
@@imtiredtiredtired The day they introduce the cockroach I stopped enjoying WoT.
Oh I’m really liking this let’s keep this a trend what is the thing Wargaming did that make do you stop liking the game!!!?
I was waiting for Chieftain to take the round out of the breech like he does with all the dummy rounds in these videos, cause even DriveTanks wouldn’t let him actually load a round. So imagine my shock when he slammed that thing home and the breech block closed!
"The Israelis love giving everybody machine guns." Pack up, Martha, we're moving to Israel!
Hope their school kids are protected from gunman
They only allow chosen people.
@@Rusty_Gold85 ... far better than the USA. Even with being surrounded by enemies who've at one point in history sworn to wipe Israel off the map.
@@Rusty_Gold85 Yeah they are becuase the only people shooting your kids are the military and police :)
It used to be common for soldiers to hitchhike home for the weekend with their rifles. In the early 2000s when I visited we picked up a soldier with his m16. There was an incident where something happened to a soldier that was picked up like that (I can't remember the details) and the Army forbade it. Probably still happens.
This has gotta be the coolest looking Sherman, especially cruising through the desert
"the transmission is synchronized except for the first gear and (...) reverse - don't quote me on that" - The Chieftain, M50 Sherman Pt.2
Can't forget the upgrade to a French 105mm cannon, with the M-51.
I can't believe The Chieftain completely ignored the WD40 can on the loader's side. I'm dying to know if its placement was ergonomic for the crew!
Yes, I saw that can.
Well , we are waiting for "Oh my tank is on fire ".What is done , Mr Chieftain?
With regards to the influence of the German KwK42 being an influence on the French 75mm gun, I think that it is an overstatement to say the French copied the Germans. Rather, it seems the French engineers, mostly idled by the defeat of France in 1940 and with no real access to outside weapons to study, were compelled to study German weapons in order to keep current on the state of tank-gun technology. By the time French engineers were actually free to make weapons for France again, they didn't need to copy the German weapons because they were entirely current with the subject and so able to innovate beyond German weapons.
Inspired, not copied.
@@darnit1944 Exactly.
sexuality
@@darnit1944 The classical "everyone copied the germans" argument no longer holds value today and its about time. Axis forum wehraboos kept saying for decades "the panther tank influenced tank design after ww2". In wich i and others would simply state= In what way? What did they copied?
The first classical answer was that all MBT's focussed their heavy armor up front, and thus it was taken from the panther tank. In wich i would reply= The centurion was developed with the same mindset in 1943, when they british didnt even had eyes on a panther tank.
The americans their pattons were all based on the M26. The Soviets went with the T-44 and beyond, all based somewhat on the T-34.
In the end, you just couldnt find anything in this department. Altough the AMX-50 does have Panther and King tiger parts that were immitated, like the hull & suspension layout.
@@F4Wildcat Every nation learned from the war and developed tanks with their own knowledge.
The British focused on firepower because they were outgunned and had to resort to stop gaps. (Sherman firefly). That's why we see the 105mm L7 and 120mm L11, some of the best of early-mid cold war tank cannons.
The Germans focused on mobility on the Leopard 1 because their late war Panzers were lacking. Plus heavy armor is useless anyway.
The USSR focused on cost effective production. That's why we see shit ton of T-54-T-72s.
The US focused on logistics. That's why we see US Patton tanks at every corner of the globe.
Next year when my kid turns 14 we are going to battlefield vegas. He so excited.
Feedback for the editor, music in the background is at the perfect level for my personal preference, not loud, but still able to hear it to give that distinct "inside the hatch" video feeling.
Is this the most complete tank Chieftan has ever reviewed? If not, it must be close.
Yes, cuz its used by a company where can pay to drive and shoot it
@@CMDRFandragon Presumably you can pay to shoot the Uzis as well
Yeah, compare with Maus. The heavy, empty box in Kubinka...
I love seeing old warriors roll on
Watching the slight turret wobble when you were driving made me a little nervous haha.
Awesome Chieftain. Thanks for the wonderful content as always!
Thank you for these video’s Nick, they’re always very interesting and informative!
History: I found that with military/ordinance material, I was able to ask the Defense Language Institute to make interpretation of different languages into English. I was not military at the time but they apparently found such projects great experience for their students.
I was half expecting you to be pulled over LOL
That radio set is giving me flashbacks, looks like an AN / VRC 47 set consisting of the RT RT524 and the R 442 then add the KY 57 for secure comms. I could probably encrypt and decrypt using the CEOI then came SINGARS where we got the advanced fielding in Korea and the whole world changed.
Thanks, Nick. Some of us love you and what you do.
Keep it up, Brother.
Six minutes of Chieftain trying not to press the button. :)
Driving in that tank looks so cool. Would’ve loved to have been along for the ride.
Damn that old Cummins sounds beautiful
Really appreciate how the background music has been toned down; makes it a lot easier to listen to and pay attention to what is being said without leaving my brain full of earworms.
Only time I've ever seen an ND in a tank 😆At any rate, I greatly appreciate the education sir!
Battlefield Vegas rocks.
Just plain worked.
There are some great shots of these in the movie 'The Big Red One'. It's well worth watching.
The way the mantlet will crush the driver's head if he is unbuttoned seems kind of bad. Does the driver have any kind of turret drive disconnect like a loader in order to prevent this?
Meh I don't really see it being that much of a problem. As only in combat would unpredictable turret movement be a thing. And during that the driver would be buttoned up.
If he is driving unbuttoned and with his head out the TC is clearly not expecting combat any time soon.
I don't recall anyone every complaining about it. if there was a complaint, it was the mantlet blocking the hatch from being opened in the first place. Note also that if the hatch is open, the turret really can't turn properly anyway, so it would want to be closed before any turret rotation was performed.
I also note, actions by tankers in tanks are generally "acknowledged actions," which is to say that tankers say what they are going to do before they do it and usually only do something if told to. You don't just rotate the turret on a whim. You say you will rotate it to some position before actually rotating it. THis is not just to improve situational awareness of everyone in the tank but also for safety purposes like ensuring the driver has fair warning he needs his head down and hatch shut or the loader needs to pull his hand back inside the turret ring.
@@genericpersonx333 Have you used one of these? What are the odds of the turret being accidentally slewed, such as the gunner putting weight on it while going over a bump?
@@jimmydesouza4375 I didn't, but my associate who was an IDF tanker did have experience with the M50s and other Israeli shermans.
More to the point, the turret really doesn't slew easily in the first place. As Mr. Moran shows at 12:00, there are locks that must be disengaged and then you have handles that must be engaged to turn the turret at all. The turret only turns if the gunner wants it to turn, and that is after making several proactive motions on his part to do so. A gunner who is riding with his hands on an unlocked turret's slewing controls outside of battle is a very naughty boy who is supposed to be very severely punished because that is not proper conduct for a soldier of the State of Israel (or really any proper army).
@@genericpersonx333 yeah by this point they were essentially tank destroyers. Rehearsals and know fighting platforms were key.
I really enjoy your vehicle tours. Very informative. I was trained on a Bradley CFV @ Ft. Knox in the early 90's. I was on HMMWV's in both units I served afterward. I got to drive M113's at Ft. Polk when we got to augment the OPFOR for the 1/509th Airborne at JRTC. Fun times.
Outstanding video and presentation.
Such a beautiful tank
it never fails… 100% of these videos make my knees hurt just watching them.
this mf actually started and drove the tank, that was a surprise but a welcome one
That looked like a good time
Great video, Nick. Thanks for the informative tour.
I love retrofitted tanks, they feel like they have more soul... more attitude (even if most are less effective)
Studies in WW2 showed that customized Shermans were technically statistically inferior, but performed better in combat due to higher crew confidence.
@@George_M_ another great point. When the man thinks “I have made this tank better” does it not make the tank better? (At least In his mind)
@@George_M_ I think this might be correct, but difficult to quantify. I wonder if there are any detailed studies on the effect of tank crew morale on performance. I'm sure many a German tanker was very confident in his 'wunderwaffe' Tiger/Tiger II/Panther until it got blown to bits by a Sherman, or broke down, or fell through a bridge...
@@George_M_ Red wunz go fasta! Waaaaaagh!
Old things grow souls.
I dig General Creighton Abrams "Outside The Box" thinking armored unit in WW2....-(Yeah, .named after 3 Amero generals, -Abrams, -Roberto & -Maurice)-....
-Converting/Mod'ing the Shermans M1919 Coaxial MG to carry & fire M2 50's!!!!!...
-That'll get her done!
Another great video Chieffy. Keep up the great work feller. You earned yourself a glass of Jameson's, working in that heat.👍🏻🥃
From 5.57 the double entendre level increased significantly
Love the driving...
Thanks for covering this vehicle. It proves beyond doubt, that the Sherman design was possibly the most superior from WWII. Even the high praised Panthers were all retired by the early 50s. In the meantime, the M50 Shermans remained in service until the early 80s. The fact that Shermans saw continued development, modernization, and front line service decades after WWII, while German armor did not, speaks volumes to the original designs in WWII.
I think one of the main reasons for that is the availability of parts for the German tanks as most were destroyed
t-34 also saw further development, and unlike the sherman its still used today, wouldn't that mean that it is the superior tank by that logic?
@@TheHenirik no, because every time T-34 faced Shermans after WWII, they lost... badly.
@@VirginiaRican still, It is still used in combat or at least was very recently in Yemen, unlike the Sherman.
Plus the Sherman is 2 years newer, 2 years made a lot of difference in ww2
I always enjoy videos where you watch big guns fire. Thanks for taking mw with you.
I wonder if the TC stood and was partially out the hatch most of the time seeing his position wasn't too comfortable in the tank.
A surprisingly large amount of TCs commanded from a protected open position or even straight up open position.
Makes you wonder why the fatalities rate for TCs were relatively low.
Did they pick shorter Men for the role ?
The IDF were (in)famous for having their TC go unbuttoned in combat to improve situational awareness and increase the chance of spotting the enemy before they found you.
This resulted in two things, israeli tank crews were much more effective than their opponents and there were a higher than normal TC casualties.
In the Golan Heights in 1973, Syria even used snipers to specifically target israeli tank commanders.
@@lavrentivs9891 It actually makes sense considering the amount of anti-tank missiles they were fighting against.
@@1337penguinman Those didn't become a prominent threat until the 1973 Yom Kippur war though.
Ironic to find an Irishman talking about one of the few tanks to have ever engaged the Irish in combat (UNIFIL)
WoT should provide you with a khaki shirt for these desert expeditions ;)
Chieftain, have you ever been to the Tank museum at Latrun?
And plenty of stowage room for your cans o' Guinness.
Well done. Thank you.
Big Fat Thumbs Up 👍
great video
Loading a shell looks tight but not uncomfortably tight like the panther after watching you squeeze around in that.
Interesting and informative as Hell.
Been hanging out for this, wanting you to get the advertising bucks, not WOTNA.
Nice review in 4k ! So much better filmed for visibility out in the Sun inside the Tank. Got to say I thought all toggles were on when pushed down ?
If youre able, you should find and check out an M51 Sherman
Genuine question. Near the TC position, is there like a hand hold or something from the roof for the TC to hold with their left arm (and make sure it's clear from the recoil guard). As looking at that position (relative to a few other tanks you've been in, and I've seen inside of), definite risk of a commander putting their arm on the recoil guard and having an extremely bad day.
I have to admit that the thought going through my mind was: if the guard isn't getting in your way, then it's not doing a very good job of guarding then.
You sound like a OSHA bot, lol
Thanks that was great
M50 is my fav tank
Uzi as a personal defence weapon sounds flippin awesome for a tanker. Imagine whipping out an Uzi through a pistol port
You might even hit something in the 2/10ths of a second it takes you to empty the magazine in the general direction of what's offending you...
@@ThroneOfBhaal I reckon if you’re forced to use a pistol port in your tank, you’re bound to hit something with an Uzi
Good luck hitting anything beyond 25 yards
@@droptheshiv4796 Fair, though honestly, being shot at at all is a pretty disconcerting experience so it'd probably do the trick. Even if you didn't hit anything.
@@looinrims if they're beyond that, you have more appropriate tools at your disposal. The PDW's are for dismounted action, for the most part.
I've always love the Inside the hatch series, and lately I've exercised restraint and will wait for the video to come out here instead of WoT. They get enough outta me in the game... Including my sanity
I see you have to drive them M10 style with the gun pointed to the right.
yup, they sure do love belt feds.
a few less steps than the sherman in Uvalde, Texas.
13:30 was the gun actually loaded??
18:00 How can you even do that ?? Crank up some Steppenwolf, please.
A bit of a random question: are modern NATO and other Western-aligned tanks' smoke grenade launchers compatible with the same ammunition? They all look very similar in size.
Yes, they are. There are many designs, but since the 1970s all of them fire the same 66mm smoke grenades- as well as a little-known collection of crowd control grenades.
Firing the full arsenal at the end looked fun. How would you rate the Uzi as a crew defense weapon? It's no M4, but it does look pretty compact and handy for enclosed spaces.
It was designed specifically for vehicle crews, and I have heard nothing about it that suggests it did poorly in that role.
Good video
Very Cool!
Yes. Curiously, the previous references I had used which said that the SA 50 was in fact a French version of the Kwk 42 - NOW - says that the SA 50 was designed to have the same *_performance_* as the Kwk 42 but was in fact - a different gun.
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I always enjoy your videos as they are from a Tankers POV, former 19E / 19K M60A3 to M1A2
I'm interested in what you have to say about the BMPT Terminator. This armoured fighting vehicle is supposed to be a tank support vehicle. It's supposed to be an anti-personnel vehicle. What are the chances of this actually working? It there's still a need for infantry....what's the point?
Does the folded up recoil Guard lock out the Gun in any way? If not it looks like fun times could be had if you were firing in a hurry, forgetting it...
I asked in the other video but never got a response, but I'd like to repeat my question here. On the front of the tank and on the gun barrel, someone wrote "נוצר'ה". YOu can see a decent shot of it at 21 seconds into the video. The word would translate into "Christian". Does anyone know why someone would write that? Is it the tank's personal nickname given by the crew or something?
Well, the South Lebanon Army, the militia the Chieftain mentioned this tank being lent to, was a mostly Christian outfit. I'd guess that's the reason, but I don't it for a fact.
Lebanon used to be a majority Christian nation, but during the 60's and 70's the Arab nations flooded it with Muslim fighters which led to the Lebanese civil war which was primarily a religious war.
The militia this tank went to, the SLA, was a Christian organisation, so slapping Christian on the front of it was likely an IFF thing.
USA: playing m4 with live round
Russian : playing T-62 with live round
20:05 mark: How dare mother nature kicks up a wind just as the Chieftain speaks... 0~o Blasphemy! Blasphemy and Shenanigans I say... >~
when are we getting an inside the hatch on the M1A1???
Are you braking ARMY S.O.P while driving without a helmet?
Very cool, but what's the point of the white strip?
now lets find a M51
Israel has some of the coolest military equipment!
Unrelated comment, but a question I have regarding the future of tanks. What capabilities are provided by tanks that cannot be reasonably provided by a combination of self propelled howitzers and surveillance drones. Since to me it seems that in the modern day modern guided shells from a self propelled gun could destroy any targets an offensive could meet that a tank would be assigned to destroy. Leaving the IFV's and infantry to mop up. Your thoughts?
The way you know you have won is when you have a foot on your enemies chest and a bayonet at his throat. At that point you have your attention on him so a tank…. NOT a personnel carrier…. To one side of you as a long range bullet guard with machine guns to cover you and a gig gun to discourage a counter attack may not be necessary, but is a big help! lol 😂
mop up IFV's and infantry ??
Instant 120mm HEAT shell delivery straight to your very front door
tanks & anti tank weapons are in a yoyo duality ... if theres no tanks nobody gets at so tanks resurfface so ppl get At so tanks go away until AT is trown out
Cracks me up that you inserted a stock video of the gun firing as if it the one you were in was loaded the entire time.
10:16 That is aparently written in an French AMX training document.
Is there a safety to prevent the gun from firing when the recoil guard is folded out of the way?
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no.
M51 next?
Did the M-50 have indirect fire optics for the gunner??
You could use a gunners quadrant on the breech.
@@TheChieftainsHatch Would you know if the CN 105-57 on the M51 also had indirect fire capability?? Thanks
Of course you can rent a tank in the USA!
surprised this has not been added to the game yet
Armored Warfare has it as one of its starter tanks for the Israeli tech tree actually.
@@Shaftronics thank you, i will check it out
French maid smoke grande launchers😂
13:29 Oy gevalt!
So the French & IDF were able to cram a cannon firing a round larger (75x597R117) than that of the 76 mm M1 (76x539R93) [but smaller than the 17 pdr's {76x583R135}] in a 75 mm turret. As you noted in a prior video the USA Armor Force said "no thanks" to the 76 M1 unless in the T23(?) turret. The CN 75-50 sure looks like its breech doesn't fill up the turret like the massive 17 pdr did; moving the trunnions forward sure helped.
thats how big the 75 is, how big is the 90mm!?
Think about this for a second..some of those Shermans got a further retrofit and...a 105mm gun.
@@clothar23 you're right! the one's with the funky muzzle break, i'd LOVE to see the inner turret of one of those!
@@wikikomoto I'd imagine the thing would make the Firefly seem spacious in comparison.
How many hours of maintenance for every hour of operation?
Give everyone a machinegun
I knew there was a reason I like the IDF
STORAGE MAN! STORAGE! You’re in America! It’s storage! You sound like Elmer fudge when you say that! Jeeeezzz…
at13:25 Fire the Main Gun. LOS!! On the way.
Who would have control of a tube mounted .50 in Israeli service? Gunner? Is it solely a remote fired weapon when tube mounted?
pistol port? at first I thought he said something else...