Maybe the Federal government needs to standardize the nozzles and charging stations for all EVs. It would be so much more convenient for everyone who owns an EV.
There's already a standard that almost all new EVs use (called CCS/J1772), but Tesla is the only company that refuses to use it in the US. Which is a problem since they sell most EVs and have the leading charging network.
@@bngr_bngr Even so, because actual gas automobiles have a lower fuel efficiency than fossil fuels being used to produce electricity in an external facility, even if the electricity is generated by fossil fuels, using an electric car would still be better than the environment.
Even with 20 mins charging time, it’s still much longer than pumping gas especially if you’re on road trip or just on the go. As of right now, daily drive an ev is pretty much feasible only to homeowners with garage
The government has to force the EV companies to use standardized plugs. The taxpayer has every right to insist on this as the EV companies get massive subsidies.
EU had done it, China had done it... The possible reasons US has not done it, probably because fed know that standardization will strengthen EV adoption, so they do an opposite
The problem is that Tesla has the largest fleet of EVs and of chargers in the US, and they built this out prior to the rest of the industry deciding to refuse the offer to use the Tesla standard, so it's the new players who created the problem by creating a competing standard. So to tell a private company that they have to spend billions of dollars to modify their private charging network to comply with a new standard is not likely to happen, nor is it proper. Now maybe saying that all new production, and all new charging stations are required to have it is doable, but that won't change much for a long time. It's a lot cheaper and easier to provide dongles to adapt for those who need it. I also won't be surprised if some small EV manufacturers end up Tesla connectors and access to the Supercharger network at some point.
In America the government works for the companies not the people. They let Boeing , GM and oil companies destroy rail. They won’t allow EVs to become popular. They let healthcare and education go down the drain. The citizens are also too busy to see what’s happening so they’ll also not care. Downward spiral.
Already done in the EU the European Union 🇪🇺 introduced legislation and regulation that now makes it illegal to sell a car within the Euro zone that doesn’t use the standard DC CCS Fast Carger plug.
@@ke6gwf Thats exactly whats happening in the EU. Tesla had to modify there chargers to include the CCS and Chademo plug standard and deliver all new cars with the CCS fast Charging plug, they will do it if there required to and frankly now it’s Tesla being stubborn when all the other players both charging companies and EV manufacturers have settled on the CCS Fast plug standard.
Totally depends on situation/ where you park/ how capable your transformer and how much space your braker box has. $1k is not going to be the norm especially for a licensed electrician to hook it up
@@vidpetrovic8907 It can easily get more expensive than that. Sometimes it's rerouting a plug, sometimes it's adding a breaker box beefing up the transformer. Pretty sure some of those charging set ups use 3 phase power. In my situation to add 3 phase would be $10,000 easy.
The Tesla Supercharger in Firebaugh, CA (between San Jose and Los Angeles) is the largest Level 3 DC-Fast charging station in US with 56 stalls. Revel has 25 in NYC.
@@iKingRPG The difference is EU has a mandate to standardize. US only has recommendation on a standard. Americans have a history of aversion against government mandates.
@@JJadx the US HAD an industry standard plug design, and it's still the best design on the market, and it's the Tesla plug. But then the other manufacturers got together to talk about connector design, and despite Tesla offering to let them use it as the official standard, the other companies wanted something that wasn't compatible with Tesla, and so came up with a new design, despite most of the EVs and charging stations in the US already using the Tesla design. They were specifically starting a format war to try to hurt Tesla. And now Tesla gets blamed because they don't spend billions of dollars on replacing their Superchargers with an inferior standard, when they are the ones who started the EV revolution, and are using their original connection still. It wasn't difficult for them to make the change in Europe since they had a very small fleet there at the time, but the US would be nearly impossible to convert to CCS now because the fleet and network is so large.
@@iKingRPG actually, Tesla IS the standard plug in the US, by usage! Lol But the newcomers refused to be compatible with Tesla, and so against Tesla's protests they developed a competing standard to try to hurt Tesla.
I'm one of those happy EV owners who charges at home. My low range electric vehicle is perfect for short trips. My family's other car, a minivan, is what we use if we need to go farther.
@@PG-tc6os obviously they can afford a gas and electric car, so how is it dumb? They probably would've had 2 cars anyway. Where I live it's very common for people to have more than 2 cars. And like they said, the second car is their families car, not theirs. And they barely have to use it, since they probably don't go on 200+ mile trips often
@@PG-tc6os some families rely on having 2 vehicles regardless of whether they are EV/ICE. They may choose to have 2 vehicles based on a number of factors: scheduling, work, or even just personal preferences
@@PG-tc6os My family has 4 cars, not dumb at all. He probably uses the EV for work/common usage and the minivan for road trips. How many road trips do families go on average a year? Maybe 2 to 3?
Home charging installation does not cost “thousands” unless you are rewiring the house or upgrading your panel. Plus there are Federal and many state rebates for installing at home
@@apagoogoo Mine was more, $1000, but they had to run about 30 feet of wire to get from the panel to get to the side of the house where I charge (not in garage). But city had $500 rebate on the charger, and federal has a tax credit up to $1000 for installing home charger
You need to have a tuned ear to hear the asterisk in that stupid statement. They might as well say "In some cases, comic books cost a few million dollars". 😋 That is the slant of this piece, to seed doubt. They didn't say "On average, the installation of.... and in rare cases, they cost....", which would have been a balanced and unbiased statement.
lol, the problem of needing a charging station for an EV, living in NYC is kind of silly. Why would you pay to own a car with the best-served transit in North America? EVs are an improvement on ICE vehicles, but public-transportation is desperately-needed across the US.
1:00 Days? It takes 10 hours to charge a large SUV (model X) on level 1 charging, which is basically over night, when most people are asleep. Most people also don’t consume a full charge in one day. I am not sure where they came up with it takes days to charge an EV
10 hours for Level 2 charging, that’s not Level 1. Level 1 is plugging into the same outlet that you charge your phone from. It does take a few days to charge up a car using Level 1. Level 2 takes about 8 hours for us which is like 5x faster than Level 1 for us
You must have a level 2 charger not a level 1 charger. A level 1 gets you 1-1.5kwh per hour in a standard 120v outlet. A model X suv currently has a 100KWH battery. So 100 divided by 1 is 100hrs. 100 divided by 1.5 is about 66hrs. So yes days. You must be confused so you most likely have a 220/240v outlet those are the ones usually meant a for a electric stove, a large ac system, or a electric clothes dryer.
@@julm7744 It's funny, I've lived in my house (in the USA) for decades and I've never even seen the 240 outlets. The oven or the electric furnace or the washing machine are just plugged in there forever! :-) So it's not something you see on a regular basis.
Use old oil drilling site for thermal energy . By building a pipe in the only drill site and pump cold water down the pipe let the earth's heat the water up , where it will rise on the opposite side and the steam will turn a turbine creating electricity
This is really not a very big problem. The US energy grid has basically doubled in scale and capacity every decade. If every car went electric, the total power capacity would need to be increased by 20-30% of what it is today, that's a very attainable achievement, and it will likely happen naturally in line with the rate of EV adoption.
Im an EV owner who is lucky enough to charge from home on a level 1. An overnight charge gets you about 100 miles. I assume over 90% of commuters aren’t driving more than that on a given day. I’ve only used charging stations for road trips and it’s a breeze. If I was in an apartment without an outlet near my parking space…. That would be a challenge.
@@samsonsoturian6013 I think you misunderstood. It's not a limit of 100 miles, he *adds* 100 miles overnight. For example, my EV's range is around 220 miles. My commute to work is 40 miles round trip. Just like NaProbablyNot I am also lucky enough to have a garage. I plug mine in to a regular outlet just like my cell phone. I only need to plug it in every 2 or 3 days to "top it off" back to 220 miles.
@@michaellim4165 true, but the video suggests that anyone Who wants a charger will have to pay thousands of dollars. But yes that's a problem. Solutions involve, workplace charging, renters having charges, 10% of every parking lot having chargers, and sidewalk lamp pole LV1/LV2 plug ins
You are right: cost the same for me and my city has a $500 rebate for installation and there is a federal tax credit up to a grand I think . Wall Str Journal had to slip in this fake dig at home installation
When I designed our house 6 years ago, I had the electricians install a PV system and a 240V line for future ev use. I waited 4 years before buying an ev. We bought a Chevy Bolt ev 2 years ago and it's been great. Our local power company gave us a level 2 charger and all I had to do was plug it in. Once you try an ev you'll never go back to an ICE car.
I’ve been using a friend’s EV for the last month and I could see buying one as a 2nd car to get around town and using a normal car when I need to drive more. They’re really not as bad as I initially thought.
@@martialman.4563 exactly most people dont go on road trips every week even then supercharging doesn't take very long and is cheaper than gas. For those people who love to drive accoss the country or take very long road trips frequently then either get and ice car or wait for range to improve (could be a long wait).
@@jonathanschwartz4794 Just got back from Houston TX to Missouri road trip. 13$+ change to drive up, 14$+ change to drive back. I have been to most states and one road trip a month.
I don’t get this, I charge at home with level 1 charging and it has never been an issue. I believe that for the vast majority of potential EV buyers this would absolutely be the case for them as well. A small percentage of people may need to charge outside the home, but I don’t see how that is a mystery for those buyers! If you have reliable power at home, a relatively modest commute and can park your car overnight by that outlet. It’s just not a problem. In the three years I have owned a fully electric car, the number of times I have used a public charger has been exactly ZERO.
I think the problem is that most people lack the basic critical thinking skills to grasp this. People think about the once every few years road trip where they can pull off the road basically anywhere to get gas, and then throw up their hands and say they can’t use an EV. Obviously with some planning you can find charge stations along your route, especially with Tesla opening up their network. Alternatively, just rent an ICE care for a week. Not hard.
Over in the netherlands about 60% of people dont have private parking.. i guess that number will be a bit lower in the us... and yes the majority of current ev drivers ofc have a private parking spot/driveway... but thats not true for the future when almost all vehicles will be ev's... and thats a mayor problem..
It’s just poorly researched and biased information. I don’t think the creators want electric. Charging at level one only took me 11 hours. From near empty. If you have an hour commute you need to get someone to install a level 2. I did mine for $30 plus a $100 charger. Oh, and that was two outlets. One at work and one at home. Wow so hard and expensive! And my commute was free because I had enough charge to drive home and back to work. And that’s with a stupid Leaf. Most electric car buyers are getting Tesla. All problems solved; with or without a level 2 charger.
You are correct, for a lot of people your setup would suffice. Fast charging is for people with other needs, though, like the folks mentioned that don't park near an outlet at night.
@Se Fu Most people? I think that depends on where you live. I agree that many people don’t have the facilities, and I don’t necessarily recommend those people buy an electric car at this time. But there is still massive resistance amongst people who are two car families WITH garages. I live in a place where the majority of people live in single family houses and have two LARGE internal combustion engine vehicles. If we could get these people on board to drop ONE of them it could make a huge difference. I don’t see how is this controversial? Maybe it’s not right for everyone quite yet… but their are huge numbers of people that could be driving electric TODAY. I already am, have been for many years and I love it.
And yet, every car I've owned in the last 20 years gets a 400+ miles range fill up in 5 minutes at any gas station. The problem isn't the amount of chargers, it's the thinking that 100 miles in 20 minutes is a good thing. Solve the charge time problem.
1:19 FYI in a condo/apartment, It can be done. DCC-9 is the way to go if your meter is accessible. DCC-12 instead of the panel upgrade for your home. It's an investment!
Build the structure Adjust the charging voltage Standardise connections Accelerate the transition to renewable sources of energy Shift fossil fuel stations to electric power stations Educate and sensitize populations
Not sure why there is this 5 minute to fill up as a bench mark. Who goes on a long trip that doesn't stop to eat or bathroom time, just fill up and go, I have done 6 trips in my chevy bolt that are 400 to 500 miles 1 way,, would stop 2 times to charge and eat, no excessive waiting. Did a trip from Maryland to Florida in the bolt, even stayed at a hotel that had overnight charging, again no excessive waiting time for the charging and my bolt is not even the fastest to charge vehicle. I do agree that apartments and condos are not setup for ev charging at night; which 95% of my charging is done at night by my level 2 charger in my garage.
and what im supposed to do for that hour that is required? because I see it as a major inconvenience compared to my usual in and out in 5 min at a petrol station
The graph at timestamp 3:06 shows the amount of charges going up and down, but in reality the amount of chargers hasn't ever gone down at all, the amount of chargers just keeps going up. So be skeptical about that graph. Then there is the guy in NY saying there no public charging infrastructure, well that's just a blatant lie. Just look at a charging map. Then there was quoting the amount of public chargers by only counting level 2 chargers, but the majority of chargers will be level 3 chargers (don't believe that graph). Not a very balanced article.
Its a WSJ (conservatives) article, not too difficult to gauge the underlying tenor of the piece, a bit more sophisticated repackaging of fossil fuel arguments.
@@gouravagarwal4911 Typical WSJ "mistakes" by having "openings" on the second line and not in the main title line of the graph and having "Total" in it at all. Change it to "Number of openings of..." and one does not get misled by wording.
- 97% of your charging will be level 2, done overnight, just like your phone. - level 3 chargers are not "newer". - tesla offered other OEMs use of its (seamless) charging format. the patents are open. no takers. - the larger (and stupiderer) problem with non-tesla fast-charging is payment handshaking.
Tesla offering their patents up is of no resarruance to other companies. It means that anybody other than tesla who adopts the charging standard, will be subject to whatever changes Tesla makes for their own charging standards. CCS standards are discussed and maintained by a large pool of European and NA car manufacturers, whereas anybody who uses Tesla's designs would have no say in or control over Tesla's designs.
@@0hypnotoad0 here's the problem: the payment handshaking software for CCS is a nightmare. every model of EV i can name has had difficulty CCS charging, not because the charger can't deliver electricity to the battery, but because of conflicts with payment platforms. the tesla supercharger system is effortless. no point-of-sale transaction necessary.
Its because companies don't want to build infrastructure for people not buying their vehicles, aka Tesla. And then there is the government who either get lobbied not to do things, the industry is simple too new, or because creating regulations will encroach on other peoples'/corporations' "freedom".
@@henhen7890 Tesla have offered their supercharger network to other car manufacturers but they all declined, probably because they all want their own network they can control, which is part of the problem. But you’re right the US needs to be like the rest of the world where there is 1 standard for EV chargers.
Absolutely RIDICULOUS ! My Tesla leaves the house with a full tank. The cost to install a level 2 charger is tax deductible up to a $1000 ! Why would ANYONE in NYC even want a car ? Makes no sense.
@@lightning962 yeah. Either he really doesn't understand because he's old, or he understands but doesn't want to spend money on anything environment related.
@@iKingRPG what there needs to be is term limits so these idiots can’t come in, spend their whole life “representing us”, and make millions. It’s a broken system if you ask me
Just take this report with an ounce of salt. Charging infrastructure is ramping up quite rapidly. It cannot ramp too fast or it can ramp too slow. Let’s be patient for the market to improve on its own.
The time to charge is an issue, especially if you can't charge at home. Imagine sitting at the gas pump for an hour to fill your tank. Not saying it can't be solved, but, we aren't there yet.
1:15, Tesla's wall connector actually only cost $500 (a 30% federal tax credit is also available in the US) and charges 44 miles per hour; full charge overnight
Yeah. This video was poorly done. I think I charging company put them up to it but the why behind their product was overly complicated and scary. Not to mention totally ignoring real situations. Super easy to sensationalize things and mislead people into thinking they shouldn’t get a EV because infrastructure is not ready yet. It’s early, but it’s ready. I had a leaf and commuted for free for a year! $130 for 2 outlets, breakers, and the charger.
How about we work on keeping the power grid active 24/7 with the current load before adding a bunch of chargers? Maybe put a couple of thorium salt reactors online first?
They recently installed an electric charging port at my job location but i have not even once seen anyone use it. There are at least one hundred employees who work there.
Not sure why the Electrify America network didn't get much credit here. I'm getting about 200 miles of range in 20 min using their 350 kW chargers. Plus their network is already decent. Not as great as the Tesla Superchargers, but making progress. And it is free for the first 3 years.
They recently added two charging ports where public parking was once available. thus creating more of a burden to those allready hard to find public parking spots. I am not complaining but i just hope that someone actually uses them. Cheers from NYC
The sad thing is that the Tesla standard was the first, and is the best, but the other companies didn't want to be compatible with Tesla, and so designed the CCS as a later competing standard. And since people look at it by the number of companies using each, rather than the number of cars using each, people seem to think it's Tesla that should change, when it's really the other way around. Everyone else should standardize on the Tesla connector before they build too many more cars..
@@ke6gwf Yup i agree. I thought it was kinda stupid that everyone wanted to make their own, then they all merged and now want tesla to change? Why didn't then just go with the tesla way :/ so dumb
Why are we even having this dilemma in the US? Chia builds 1000 EV charging stations per day. America is just lazy and drags their feet with legislation and funding. Oh well, wanna continue fighting against progressive changes? Then sit back and watch “the greatest country on Earth” fall to the way side as other industrialized countries eat out lunch.🙄
Tesla owner here, the supercharger network is gold, my car's 120k miles proves it. 80% of Americans live in a single family home, so most can charge easily. My Tesla home charger was $400 and electrician got paid $300.
it is interesting how they have over inflated prices. For each type of EV charger they always tell the maximum price It could cost. It’s not technically wrong if you say up to for everything but I would still call this misdirection because usually you would use the avarage to inform people or the avarage and the maximum.
level 2 charging usually costs about 500-800 bucks to install a 240v outlet, and it fills up the battery every night. it is generally easier to own an EV than a gas car as long as you have a garage where a plug can be installed. Every morning you have max range. Public charging is only necessary if you do not have a garage where a plug can be installed, or on long trips. There are other rare cases where fast charging within a metro area can make sense such as real estate agents or people who drive a lot between sales calls. I think the more logical approach in general will be for apartment and condo complexes to have a certain proportion of level 2 charging availability, and for public stations in cities analogous to a gas station to be relatively rare.
Who would have thought that the US 120Vac standard would ever be an issue. Most have no clue, for what 80kwh under your seat means. A small powerplant able to power your home for days. All that to move a hunk of metal.
I think the bigger issue is the charging times it will take 3x more time than filling up gas for people who are always on the go for their work or taking families around
WSJ, its not just charging, its the electric infer structure, power plants & power lines, that are the real bottle neck. Please do an article that addresses this.
This is one area where the older PHEV makes more sense like the Chevy Volt. Even a level one charger can do a full charge overnight. And for 80% of people that range covers them for a day. But people want larger batteries, even when they don't use all that capacity.
Yeah until there is a universal charging plug for any level of charge why bother fighting that nightmare as a consumer. Most consumers don’t have the time or patience to fight thru the mismatch in plugs and time to charge until that is sorted out the vast majority of us will not switch
Just 10secs spent on the leading company in EV charging stations in this minidocumentary. And mostly negative comments. Just unbelievably byassed. Ridiculous
I almost got in a fight today at a public charger. Car was left charging unattended. I waited and after quite some while, I checked to see if it was finished - it was, yaaay. I pulled out the CCS charger, which wasn't locked in because charge had finished. As I get ready to put it in my car a tall idiot yells "why are you touching that?". I answered "because your charge is over and has been for a while. He immediately started checking his car to see if I was telling the truth. This infuriated me. As if I was lying." What's your problem buddy?", I asked but he turned around and walked back towards the grocery shop. "What, you think I pulled it out?" (which isn't possible if it's charging). The idiot just kept walking. I was fuming. He should have stuck to a gasoline car, that smuck.
It is almost like the model is wrong. There could be standardized battery packs, go to a station, the depleted battery is ejected and a charged one is inserted by a machine. There would be almost instant gratification and little lost time. Since batteries decline over time, it would be best to making replacing batteries easy.
All of the examples used are worst case scenarios. Things are so much better than this video discusses. It starts with 'people are worried about charging', and continues to inaccurately scare people about charging. Owners know it isn't a big deal.
In Cities like London public charging is available at street parking locations via the lamppost. US needed fewer public chargers for regular use as 80% will charge at home overnight. The build out is grid expansion for distance and rural travel, which is the US challenge. This is solved by the utilities, not small EV charger companies, many of which are gimmicks for photo ops.
You can add the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, FORD escape PHEV , Toyota isn't the only one, but you can definitely get a used chevy VOLT for very cheap and they're a very good car, but small. Good enough for a commuter car.
If you have a breaker box in your garage. You are looking at like $300-$400 bucks for a professional electrician to put in 240V plug. Which allows for Level 2 charging. Most cars come with a 240V charging plug so that's all you need. "In some cases thousands of Dollars", while may be factually true, isn't reality for the vast majority of people who want to install a charger in their garage.
This problem is a throw back to the 90's. When every cellphone being drop had a different charging prot it took the Europen Government to force all cellphone companies to get on the same page.
Until EVs are as overall hassle-free as my ICE vehicles, I'll keep driving my old cars. I could easily buy an EV if I wanted to, but: "Is an EV better?". Not with the current technology. I need 350+ miles of range, in sub-freezing weather, with no requirements that I need to meticulously plan my stops at certain locales or charge for lengthy periods of time. In my fairly wealthy suburb of 65k+, there aren't many EVs, probably about the 2-3%, like the overall US market. The Tesla people are all the "look at me" types, definitely not the "getting by" types.
The industry might have a problem with charging but i won't be buying an EV UNTIL 3 things are met. 1. 500 mile range...minimum. 2. Charging in 10-20 mins maximum and to 80-100% in that timeframe preferably 100%. That means 400+ miles recharge in that timeframe. 3. Price comparable/equal to an ICE vehicle of same size/capacity. Until then they can pull my ICE vehicle from my cold dead hands.
I live in Montreal Canada, and have not installed a charger at home and solely rely on the public infrastructure in the city. While this is inconvenient, the cost benefit and pleasure I derive from an ev ownership is tremendous. The city offers charging fees at competitive rates and you do not need to pay for parking while charging, so it is a double benefit. I'm going to Toronto shortly, and while it will require a little bit more planning, Toronto similarly has a vast charging infrastructure with a convenient app to tell you where the charging stations are. I would invite anyone who is on the cusp of buying an ev to consider the adoption. The benefits far outweigh the negatives
Can't the industry agree on the shape and size of the batteries so that the battery can be replaced with a charged battery? In this way, car owners don't need to wait for long time for their battery to be fully charged.
@@mtgibbs because most people are mesmerised by tesla and forget that in everyday life it will be more practical to fill hydrogen then charging your car all night long
Hey Wall Street Journal, not sure if you knew but Elon has stated that he is willing to give away tesla specs for the charging port and he was willing to have manufacturers use that port along side with the Tesla supercharger Network. The last thing he wanted to do was make a proprietary and more difficult for people to switch over to EV. He wanted to give people all of the options, however car manufacturers decided to go with the port that they wanted to instead of using a port that has a huge network of chargers
Tesla had the foresight to build superchargers before the car. Very expensive especially for a new start up company, Tesla. Tesla did not dump EV’s on the market and make taxpayers pay for chargers. GM wants taxpayers to pay.
They should have a early backers program for this. and depending on where clusters of backers live. They get the chargers built in their areas and early adopter benefits
Because that's just a workaround to a solution that is already in the works. It's bound to be obsolete. Batteries are getting better really fast because of this demand. Expect some cars with new kind of batteries within the next 2 years. not to mention battery swap stations cost even more than charging stations.
I believe that Denser EV batteries actually charge faster because of the chemical properties of Lithium, but here's a far more detailed research article on the subject www.researchgate.net/publication/328000426_Understanding_the_trilemma_of_fast_charging_energy_density_and_cycle_life_of_lithium-ion_batteries
It is done, by the BMS (Battery Management System) but if you only put X watts, you can charge at X watts/hour. And Li batteries cannot charge the top half as fast as the bottom half. So you can get from 5% to 50% really fast, but it takes much longer to get to 100% so all those extra Watts don’t matter for half the charge.
They already do that. For example, Teslas are filled with battery cells not much bigger than a AA battery. And within a cell engineers try desperately to spread the materials as thin as possible so they can most easily collect energy from the terminals.
That's exactly how it works. Each pack is divided into sections that are charged and monitored separately. I think one Tesla design uses groups of 74 cells in series. The Battery Management System then takes the raw power coming in from the charger and feeds it to each group or module to charge each one at the ideal rate and keep them balanced.
Correction for any future videos or articles: We do not have “Level 3” charging in the USA. There’s L1, L2, and DC Fast Charging. In Europe, they do have Level 3 in the form of 3 phase AC charging. They also use a slightly different plug type as a result.
Why did not mention Nio !!!!!!! and its charging station. Nio has the advantage compare to everybody in the world and they are having it as trademark worldwide.
50kw "fast charging" (not fast) 100kw would be a minimum for adequate fast charging 150kw Tesla's current standard and adequate for a large portion but not all buyers 250kw Tesla's new standard already started building out 350kw future proofing (Tesla's planned next standard and some chargers exist for non Teslas but not vast enough to use for 100% of a trip, or even 10%) Once automakers are building out their own fast charging network that is at least 100kw then they will start to see their sales go up.
Most Electrify America stations are already 350kw and EV go (shown in this vid) is mostly 150kw to 350kw already lol Tesla isn’t the only one that has fast chargers…
@@KrishnaAdettiwar Europe, yes. America, I still hear complaints about their low charging speed, low stall count, and how they are either complicated involve a subscription or are just broke. Need so many networks to work and they aren't easy. Tesla understood that from the beginning and even when/if legacy automakers decide to make an equal or superior network, they would need to inform people, and if they are that good now then why is it me, a person obsessed with finding out stuff about other EVs so I'm not just saying Tesla every other sentence, has not been able to find this information anywhere? Nobody will buy their EVs if they think they can't drive farther than just what's in the battery and that's one reason why Tesla is outselling the next best EV 10 to 1. Sorry if that was edgy, I just don't like hearing how the competition is coming for Tesla and see only Tesla investing into making the best charging experience.
@@matthewboyd8689 No, not just Europe... Like I said, the EvGo and Electrify America networks work great alongside ChargePoint and a number of other networks. Again, 350 kW charging is not new in America and from personal experience, it's very very easy to charge at these stations. I'm not quite sure what "broken subscriptions" you're referring to...the reasons Tesla is selling way more electric cars is not because of their charging network (it's just a small factor), it's because of their technology (specifically their driver assistance features), brand image, and manufacturing capability. Tesla at the moment is the only major car company that can actually produce enough batteries to keep up with their EV demand. Once other car manufacturers catch up on battery manufacturing capacity, Tesla won't be outselling them. To reiterate...Tesla isn't outselling other EVs just because of their charging network - there are a number of other, much more important factors that lets them sell so many EVs - namely their battery manufacturing capacity.
@@KrishnaAdettiwar well, glad to hear other charging networks are improving, and to a degree I agree that other automakers are limited by battery supply. The dealers also don't want to sell them because they're so little maintenance on them that they wouldn't make as much money. And the fact that other automakers have admitted to not being able to be making a profit off their EVs yet, meaning that as long as they aren't making money they aren't going to try to get you into one with all of their heart. But we will see. I'm personally going to be buying Tesla's compact car when it comes out (2023) because $25,000 is within my budget and Teslas are known for their range so I'd guess it would have 200-250 for the base model. I actually certainly hope you're right that other automakers will outsell Tesla, but I don't see that happening until after 2030. ✌️
Nio is trying it in China. but the battery is a huge percentage of the cost of the car and swapping means you are either renting your battery or risk getting swapped to a worse battery.
Just create a universal standard like they did for USB-C
The apple car will still use their own proprietary plug
Apple ain't happy.
There’s like 6 different revisions of USB-C, plus things like Thunderbolt compatibility to worry about.
They did in Europe.
This just remind me early 2000 when you have to ask if someone has your brand cellphone charger if you didnt bring your own.
Maybe the Federal government needs to standardize the nozzles and charging stations for all EVs. It would be so much more convenient for everyone who owns an EV.
At the moment electrics cars pollute more the fossil fuel. 70% of all electricity is generated by fossil fuel.
yeah like the EU.
There's already a standard that almost all new EVs use (called CCS/J1772), but Tesla is the only company that refuses to use it in the US. Which is a problem since they sell most EVs and have the leading charging network.
@@bngr_bngr all the more reason to push for renewable clean energy.
@@bngr_bngr Even so, because actual gas automobiles have a lower fuel efficiency than fossil fuels being used to produce electricity in an external facility, even if the electricity is generated by fossil fuels, using an electric car would still be better than the environment.
Even with 20 mins charging time, it’s still much longer than pumping gas especially if you’re on road trip or just on the go. As of right now, daily drive an ev is pretty much feasible only to homeowners with garage
The government has to force the EV companies to use standardized plugs. The taxpayer has every right to insist on this as the EV companies get massive subsidies.
EU had done it, China had done it... The possible reasons US has not done it, probably because fed know that standardization will strengthen EV adoption, so they do an opposite
The problem is that Tesla has the largest fleet of EVs and of chargers in the US, and they built this out prior to the rest of the industry deciding to refuse the offer to use the Tesla standard, so it's the new players who created the problem by creating a competing standard.
So to tell a private company that they have to spend billions of dollars to modify their private charging network to comply with a new standard is not likely to happen, nor is it proper.
Now maybe saying that all new production, and all new charging stations are required to have it is doable, but that won't change much for a long time.
It's a lot cheaper and easier to provide dongles to adapt for those who need it.
I also won't be surprised if some small EV manufacturers end up Tesla connectors and access to the Supercharger network at some point.
In America the government works for the companies not the people. They let Boeing , GM and oil companies destroy rail. They won’t allow EVs to become popular. They let healthcare and education go down the drain. The citizens are also too busy to see what’s happening so they’ll also not care. Downward spiral.
Already done in the EU the European Union 🇪🇺 introduced legislation and regulation that now makes it illegal to sell a car within the Euro zone that doesn’t use the standard DC CCS Fast Carger plug.
@@ke6gwf Thats exactly whats happening in the EU. Tesla had to modify there chargers to include the CCS and Chademo plug standard and deliver all new cars with the CCS fast Charging plug, they will do it if there required to and frankly now it’s Tesla being stubborn when all the other players both charging companies and EV manufacturers have settled on the CCS Fast plug standard.
Level 2 charging at home rarely costs more that $1,000.
Totally depends on situation/ where you park/ how capable your transformer and how much space your braker box has. $1k is not going to be the norm especially for a licensed electrician to hook it up
If you drive 200km per day than maybe...
@@vidpetrovic8907 I think he's talking about installation.
@@evanroden2225 oh, but still, it is not that expensive, only mby if you have to run the cable throught the entire house...
@@vidpetrovic8907 It can easily get more expensive than that. Sometimes it's rerouting a plug, sometimes it's adding a breaker box beefing up the transformer. Pretty sure some of those charging set ups use 3 phase power. In my situation to add 3 phase would be $10,000 easy.
The Tesla Supercharger in Firebaugh, CA (between San Jose and Los Angeles) is the largest Level 3 DC-Fast charging station in US with 56 stalls. Revel has 25 in NYC.
Revel has more than the whole state of NY combined! Lol!
It's also the home town of Buffalo Bills quarterback and future MVP and future Hall of Famer Josh Allen.
Yep, that was straight up false.
you forgot to mention that the EU has one type of plug so it doesn't have this issue... ;)
The US has a standard plug too, almost every company uses it except for Tesla, which sells the majority of EVs
@@iKingRPG so it doesn't. by law.
@@iKingRPG The difference is EU has a mandate to standardize. US only has recommendation on a standard. Americans have a history of aversion against government mandates.
@@JJadx the US HAD an industry standard plug design, and it's still the best design on the market, and it's the Tesla plug.
But then the other manufacturers got together to talk about connector design, and despite Tesla offering to let them use it as the official standard, the other companies wanted something that wasn't compatible with Tesla, and so came up with a new design, despite most of the EVs and charging stations in the US already using the Tesla design.
They were specifically starting a format war to try to hurt Tesla.
And now Tesla gets blamed because they don't spend billions of dollars on replacing their Superchargers with an inferior standard, when they are the ones who started the EV revolution, and are using their original connection still.
It wasn't difficult for them to make the change in Europe since they had a very small fleet there at the time, but the US would be nearly impossible to convert to CCS now because the fleet and network is so large.
@@iKingRPG actually, Tesla IS the standard plug in the US, by usage! Lol
But the newcomers refused to be compatible with Tesla, and so against Tesla's protests they developed a competing standard to try to hurt Tesla.
I'm one of those happy EV owners who charges at home. My low range electric vehicle is perfect for short trips. My family's other car, a minivan, is what we use if we need to go farther.
So basically you need 2 cars to move around. That is so dumb hahaha
@@PG-tc6os obviously they can afford a gas and electric car, so how is it dumb? They probably would've had 2 cars anyway. Where I live it's very common for people to have more than 2 cars.
And like they said, the second car is their families car, not theirs. And they barely have to use it, since they probably don't go on 200+ mile trips often
@@PG-tc6os some families rely on having 2 vehicles regardless of whether they are EV/ICE. They may choose to have 2 vehicles based on a number of factors: scheduling, work, or even just personal preferences
@@PG-tc6os My family has 4 cars, not dumb at all. He probably uses the EV for work/common usage and the minivan for road trips. How many road trips do families go on average a year? Maybe 2 to 3?
@@PG-tc6os most houses on our street have 4+cars.
Home charging installation does not cost “thousands” unless you are rewiring the house or upgrading your panel. Plus there are Federal and many state rebates for installing at home
mine cost hundreds, not thousands. like, 400.
@@apagoogoo Mine was more, $1000, but they had to run about 30 feet of wire to get from the panel to get to the side of the house where I charge (not in garage). But city had $500 rebate on the charger, and federal has a tax credit up to $1000 for installing home charger
@@robk3981 and then a year later you've already saved that thousand in fuel costs.
@@robk3981 Is that a some states only thing? We have a level 2 charger here in Texas and I don't recall ever getting a rebate.
@@legitpancake4276 My local city has a rebate for the cost of the charger up to $500.
Govt should step in and standardize charging port.
no
@@spicex4k901 Yes
A network of public chargers is public infrastructure. Governments regulate infrastructure. So, yes, they should!
"The best thing a government can do is move out of the way" - Elon Musk
@@blubaylon Isn't that the same guy who thinks it's better to build underground highways for cars instead of metros?
CCS2 is already the standard outside of the USA. Even Tesla uses it.
True, unbelievable that Tesla still hold on on the proprietary plug in the US, while outside of the US imrgey still are adopted to the CCS standard.
In what world does a level 2 charger cost “thousands”? It’s a dryer plug lol
Some people may have to upgrade their house's electrical service as it may be outdated and not have enough capacity.
You need to have a tuned ear to hear the asterisk in that stupid statement. They might as well say "In some cases, comic books cost a few million dollars". 😋 That is the slant of this piece, to seed doubt. They didn't say "On average, the installation of.... and in rare cases, they cost....", which would have been a balanced and unbiased statement.
lol, the problem of needing a charging station for an EV, living in NYC is kind of silly. Why would you pay to own a car with the best-served transit in North America? EVs are an improvement on ICE vehicles, but public-transportation is desperately-needed across the US.
Right?! This video was so stupid.
1:00 Days?
It takes 10 hours to charge a large SUV (model X) on level 1 charging, which is basically over night, when most people are asleep. Most people also don’t consume a full charge in one day.
I am not sure where they came up with it takes days to charge an EV
Probably thinking from empty to full, which can take a few days depending in your cars charger. But then a level 2 charger would make it overnight.
10 hours for Level 2 charging, that’s not Level 1. Level 1 is plugging into the same outlet that you charge your phone from. It does take a few days to charge up a car using Level 1. Level 2 takes about 8 hours for us which is like 5x faster than Level 1 for us
You must have a level 2 charger not a level 1 charger. A level 1 gets you 1-1.5kwh per hour in a standard 120v outlet. A model X suv currently has a 100KWH battery. So 100 divided by 1 is 100hrs. 100 divided by 1.5 is about 66hrs. So yes days. You must be confused so you most likely have a 220/240v outlet those are the ones usually meant a for a electric stove, a large ac system, or a electric clothes dryer.
@@julm7744 It's funny, I've lived in my house (in the USA) for decades and I've never even seen the 240 outlets. The oven or the electric furnace or the washing machine are just plugged in there forever! :-) So it's not something you see on a regular basis.
@@julm7744 Our high power plugs have physically distinct outlets. There's no way I'm plugging I'm a vacuum into my dryer outlet, it just won't fit.
black mirror episode anyone lol the one where the woman tries to get to the friend's wedding and the car charger wasn't compatible lol
Yeah, that will be fore sure in the future 🤣
Only mentioned in passing but probably a bigger question is how to upscale grid and increase electricity generation to support all electric cars
Use old oil drilling site for thermal energy . By building a pipe in the only drill site and pump cold water down the pipe let the earth's heat the water up , where it will rise on the opposite side and the steam will turn a turbine creating electricity
This is really not a very big problem. The US energy grid has basically doubled in scale and capacity every decade. If every car went electric, the total power capacity would need to be increased by 20-30% of what it is today, that's a very attainable achievement, and it will likely happen naturally in line with the rate of EV adoption.
No need to improve the grid
Im an EV owner who is lucky enough to charge from home on a level 1. An overnight charge gets you about 100 miles. I assume over 90% of commuters aren’t driving more than that on a given day. I’ve only used charging stations for road trips and it’s a breeze. If I was in an apartment without an outlet near my parking space…. That would be a challenge.
A lot of people wouldn't like the restricted mobility of 100 mile range.
@@samsonsoturian6013 I’m sure. But the majority of US drivers commute a fraction of that. And for anything beyond you can instal a level 2 charger.
@@NaProbablyNot you're excessively optimistic
@@samsonsoturian6013 I think you misunderstood. It's not a limit of 100 miles, he *adds* 100 miles overnight. For example, my EV's range is around 220 miles. My commute to work is 40 miles round trip. Just like NaProbablyNot I am also lucky enough to have a garage. I plug mine in to a regular outlet just like my cell phone. I only need to plug it in every 2 or 3 days to "top it off" back to 220 miles.
@@jimdog I know. There's a limit on battery size so the whole thing stands. Imagine a road trip where spend 2/3 of it waiting for a charge.
I get get a level 2 charger for my home for $500 and about $500 more if I pay an electrician and the breaker box is close to where I park.
Not everyone owns a home.
@@michaellim4165 true, but the video suggests that anyone Who wants a charger will have to pay thousands of dollars.
But yes that's a problem.
Solutions involve, workplace charging, renters having charges, 10% of every parking lot having chargers, and sidewalk lamp pole LV1/LV2 plug ins
@@matthewboyd8689 The producer needs to fit the data into its agenda. So they bend it.
You are right: cost the same for me and my city has a $500 rebate for installation and there is a federal tax credit up to a grand I think . Wall Str Journal had to slip in this fake dig at home installation
When I designed our house 6 years ago, I had the electricians install a PV system and a 240V line for future ev use. I waited 4 years before buying an ev. We bought a Chevy Bolt ev 2 years ago and it's been great. Our local power company gave us a level 2 charger and all I had to do was plug it in. Once you try an ev you'll never go back to an ICE car.
Regulators should address this charger issues and dictate a universal type of charger all EV should make.
I’ve been using a friend’s EV for the last month and I could see buying one as a 2nd car to get around town and using a normal car when I need to drive more. They’re really not as bad as I initially thought.
We have 2 electric cars, long trips not a problem.
@@martialman.4563 exactly most people dont go on road trips every week even then supercharging doesn't take very long and is cheaper than gas. For those people who love to drive accoss the country or take very long road trips frequently then either get and ice car or wait for range to improve (could be a long wait).
@@jonathanschwartz4794 Just got back from Houston TX to Missouri road trip. 13$+ change to drive up, 14$+ change to drive back. I have been to most states and one road trip a month.
@@martialman.4563 I assume you drive electric, because that sounds insanely cheap for a gas car.
@@yaltschuler Yes, that's why I said charge.
I don’t get this, I charge at home with level 1 charging and it has never been an issue. I believe that for the vast majority of potential EV buyers this would absolutely be the case for them as well. A small percentage of people may need to charge outside the home, but I don’t see how that is a mystery for those buyers! If you have reliable power at home, a relatively modest commute and can park your car overnight by that outlet. It’s just not a problem. In the three years I have owned a fully electric car, the number of times I have used a public charger has been exactly ZERO.
I think the problem is that most people lack the basic critical thinking skills to grasp this. People think about the once every few years road trip where they can pull off the road basically anywhere to get gas, and then throw up their hands and say they can’t use an EV. Obviously with some planning you can find charge stations along your route, especially with Tesla opening up their network. Alternatively, just rent an ICE care for a week. Not hard.
Over in the netherlands about 60% of people dont have private parking.. i guess that number will be a bit lower in the us... and yes the majority of current ev drivers ofc have a private parking spot/driveway... but thats not true for the future when almost all vehicles will be ev's... and thats a mayor problem..
It’s just poorly researched and biased information.
I don’t think the creators want electric.
Charging at level one only took me 11 hours. From near empty.
If you have an hour commute you need to get someone to install a level 2. I did mine for $30 plus a $100 charger. Oh, and that was two outlets. One at work and one at home. Wow so hard and expensive! And my commute was free because I had enough charge to drive home and back to work. And that’s with a stupid Leaf.
Most electric car buyers are getting Tesla. All problems solved; with or without a level 2 charger.
You are correct, for a lot of people your setup would suffice. Fast charging is for people with other needs, though, like the folks mentioned that don't park near an outlet at night.
@Se Fu Most people? I think that depends on where you live. I agree that many people don’t have the facilities, and I don’t necessarily recommend those people buy an electric car at this time. But there is still massive resistance amongst people who are two car families WITH garages. I live in a place where the majority of people live in single family houses and have two LARGE internal combustion engine vehicles. If we could get these people on board to drop ONE of them it could make a huge difference. I don’t see how is this controversial? Maybe it’s not right for everyone quite yet… but their are huge numbers of people that could be driving electric TODAY. I already am, have been for many years and I love it.
USA should have decided on one charging standard like Europe did on CCS
And yet, every car I've owned in the last 20 years gets a 400+ miles range fill up in 5 minutes at any gas station. The problem isn't the amount of chargers, it's the thinking that 100 miles in 20 minutes is a good thing. Solve the charge time problem.
1:19 FYI in a condo/apartment, It can be done. DCC-9 is the way to go if your meter is accessible. DCC-12 instead of the panel upgrade for your home. It's an investment!
Only an investment if you own the unit.
Build the structure
Adjust the charging voltage
Standardise connections
Accelerate the transition to renewable sources of energy
Shift fossil fuel stations to electric power stations
Educate and sensitize populations
Not sure why there is this 5 minute to fill up as a bench mark. Who goes on a long trip that doesn't stop to eat or bathroom time, just fill up and go, I have done 6 trips in my chevy bolt that are 400 to 500 miles 1 way,, would stop 2 times to charge and eat, no excessive waiting. Did a trip from Maryland to Florida in the bolt, even stayed at a hotel that had overnight charging, again no excessive waiting time for the charging and my bolt is not even the fastest to charge vehicle. I do agree that apartments and condos are not setup for ev charging at night; which 95% of my charging is done at night by my level 2 charger in my garage.
and what im supposed to do for that hour that is required?
because I see it as a major inconvenience compared to my usual in and out in 5 min at a petrol station
love the educational value of these videos
The graph at timestamp 3:06 shows the amount of charges going up and down, but in reality the amount of chargers hasn't ever gone down at all, the amount of chargers just keeps going up. So be skeptical about that graph.
Then there is the guy in NY saying there no public charging infrastructure, well that's just a blatant lie. Just look at a charging map.
Then there was quoting the amount of public chargers by only counting level 2 chargers, but the majority of chargers will be level 3 chargers (don't believe that graph).
Not a very balanced article.
That graph shows openings in that particular year. A decrease doesn't mean overall decrease in amount of chargers, but a decrease in 'new' chargers.
I had a look at NY on PlugShare. SO MANY CHARGERS!! Quite exciting to see.
Its a WSJ (conservatives) article, not too difficult to gauge the underlying tenor of the piece, a bit more sophisticated repackaging of fossil fuel arguments.
@@gouravagarwal4911 Typical WSJ "mistakes" by having "openings" on the second line and not in the main title line of the graph and having "Total" in it at all. Change it to "Number of openings of..." and one does not get misled by wording.
- 97% of your charging will be level 2, done overnight, just like your phone.
- level 3 chargers are not "newer".
- tesla offered other OEMs use of its (seamless) charging format. the patents are open. no takers.
- the larger (and stupiderer) problem with non-tesla fast-charging is payment handshaking.
This
Tesla offering their patents up is of no resarruance to other companies. It means that anybody other than tesla who adopts the charging standard, will be subject to whatever changes Tesla makes for their own charging standards. CCS standards are discussed and maintained by a large pool of European and NA car manufacturers, whereas anybody who uses Tesla's designs would have no say in or control over Tesla's designs.
@@0hypnotoad0 here's the problem: the payment handshaking software for CCS is a nightmare. every model of EV i can name has had difficulty CCS charging, not because the charger can't deliver electricity to the battery, but because of conflicts with payment platforms. the tesla supercharger system is effortless. no point-of-sale transaction necessary.
i dont understand why EV's are having troubles with plug shapes when this problem was being discussed so long ago. its annoing just to hear.
Its because companies don't want to build infrastructure for people not buying their vehicles, aka Tesla.
And then there is the government who either get lobbied not to do things, the industry is simple too new, or because creating regulations will encroach on other peoples'/corporations' "freedom".
@@henhen7890 Tesla have offered their supercharger network to other car manufacturers but they all declined, probably because they all want their own network they can control, which is part of the problem. But you’re right the US needs to be like the rest of the world where there is 1 standard for EV chargers.
Absolutely RIDICULOUS ! My Tesla leaves the house with a full tank. The cost to install a level 2 charger is tax deductible up to a $1000 ! Why would ANYONE in NYC even want a car ? Makes no sense.
This is why we need the infrastructure bill to pass
The problem is people like Mitch McConnell don't even think chargers are infrastructure
@@iKingRPG he’s stupid
@@lightning962 yeah. Either he really doesn't understand because he's old, or he understands but doesn't want to spend money on anything environment related.
@@iKingRPG what there needs to be is term limits so these idiots can’t come in, spend their whole life “representing us”, and make millions. It’s a broken system if you ask me
@@iKingRPG he is a clown to American people 🤡
yo I'm freaked out that this has no soundtrack its haunting
Just take this report with an ounce of salt. Charging infrastructure is ramping up quite rapidly. It cannot ramp too fast or it can ramp too slow. Let’s be patient for the market to improve on its own.
The time to charge is an issue, especially if you can't charge at home. Imagine sitting at the gas pump for an hour to fill your tank. Not saying it can't be solved, but, we aren't there yet.
The first EV chargers in Puerto Rico were inside Ft. Buchanan since it became off grid, Tesla is slowly adding chargers (mostly in city areas)
Wow WSJ comes at us with an actually informative video? Eff it I’m grateful that’s all
Came in expecting to be disappointed. Left pleasantly surprised. For once WSJ is not spreading fud
A lot of misinformation and FUD. Level 2 charge cost only couple of thousand dollars. And tesla does not have any of issues they are talking about.
It’s not a bottleneck for tesla. I’ve never waited (60,000 miles driven) longer than I would’ve stopped with an ICE car. I need to pee, man.
u take an hour to pee?
@@luisch1708 no and it doesn’t take an hour to charge.
1:15, Tesla's wall connector actually only cost $500 (a 30% federal tax credit is also available in the US) and charges 44 miles per hour; full charge overnight
Yeah. This video was poorly done. I think I charging company put them up to it but the why behind their product was overly complicated and scary. Not to mention totally ignoring real situations.
Super easy to sensationalize things and mislead people into thinking they shouldn’t get a EV because infrastructure is not ready yet. It’s early, but it’s ready. I had a leaf and commuted for free for a year! $130 for 2 outlets, breakers, and the charger.
How about we work on keeping the power grid active 24/7 with the current load before adding a bunch of chargers? Maybe put a couple of thorium salt reactors online first?
The *ENTIRE* United States has about half the number of L2 charging stations that the Netherlands has. The Netherlands is about the size of Maryland.
0:23 Pavarotti ? Is that you?
They recently installed an electric charging port at my job location but i have not even once seen anyone use it. There are at least one hundred employees who work there.
A company I worked for near Boston had an enormous number of EVs parked there each day, 50 of them or so. Ever-greater number of chargers needed
Not sure why the Electrify America network didn't get much credit here. I'm getting about 200 miles of range in 20 min using their 350 kW chargers. Plus their network is already decent. Not as great as the Tesla Superchargers, but making progress. And it is free for the first 3 years.
They recently added two charging ports where public parking was once available. thus creating more of a burden to those allready hard to find public parking spots. I am not complaining but i just hope that someone actually uses them. Cheers from NYC
They'll get plenty of use, please don't ICE those spots!
kinda like VHS vs. Beta ... one plug will win in the end (hopefully)
The hydrogen plug will win..
@@RantRantJoe That's like saying the DVD will win. Different system.
(but you're probably right)
@@RantRantJoe Hydrogen is useless for PVs.
The sad thing is that the Tesla standard was the first, and is the best, but the other companies didn't want to be compatible with Tesla, and so designed the CCS as a later competing standard.
And since people look at it by the number of companies using each, rather than the number of cars using each, people seem to think it's Tesla that should change, when it's really the other way around.
Everyone else should standardize on the Tesla connector before they build too many more cars..
@@ke6gwf Yup i agree. I thought it was kinda stupid that everyone wanted to make their own, then they all merged and now want tesla to change? Why didn't then just go with the tesla way :/ so dumb
Make an EV charger that can be installed into a street light service plate. That should cover a lot of people who depend on street parking.
They have done this in UK
The fast charging is a bane for the battery 🔋 health
Why are we even having this dilemma in the US? Chia builds 1000 EV charging stations per day. America is just lazy and drags their feet with legislation and funding. Oh well, wanna continue fighting against progressive changes? Then sit back and watch “the greatest country on Earth” fall to the way side as other industrialized countries eat out lunch.🙄
Tesla owner here, the supercharger network is gold, my car's 120k miles proves it. 80% of Americans live in a single family home, so most can charge easily. My Tesla home charger was $400 and electrician got paid $300.
it is interesting how they have over inflated prices. For each type of EV charger they always tell the maximum price It could cost. It’s not technically wrong if you say up to for everything but I would still call this misdirection because usually you would use the avarage to inform people or the avarage and the maximum.
level 2 charging usually costs about 500-800 bucks to install a 240v outlet, and it fills up the battery every night. it is generally easier to own an EV than a gas car as long as you have a garage where a plug can be installed. Every morning you have max range. Public charging is only necessary if you do not have a garage where a plug can be installed, or on long trips. There are other rare cases where fast charging within a metro area can make sense such as real estate agents or people who drive a lot between sales calls. I think the more logical approach in general will be for apartment and condo complexes to have a certain proportion of level 2 charging availability, and for public stations in cities analogous to a gas station to be relatively rare.
Do you remember carnival bumper car amusement ride where the car is charged from up above?
Trains do that too
@@sahajpatel1553 Maybe an idea
@@sahajpatel1553 Streetcars as well. And trolley buses. And some giant dump trucks in mines.
Great video/documentary! Keep it up! 👍👍👍
Who would have thought that the US 120Vac standard would ever be an issue.
Most have no clue, for what 80kwh under your seat means. A small powerplant able to power your home for days. All that to move a hunk of metal.
And the electricity come from coal and nuclear power.
I think the bigger issue is the charging times it will take 3x more time than filling up gas for people who are always on the go for their work or taking families around
Thats why you charge overnight, just like you would your cellphone and you will always wake up with a full charge.
@@josephyabut7829 but what if you live in an apartment and can’t
Man’s at 4:35 was insanely well spoken 10/10
WSJ, its not just charging, its the electric infer structure, power plants & power lines, that are the real bottle neck. Please do an article that addresses this.
This is one area where the older PHEV makes more sense like the Chevy Volt. Even a level one charger can do a full charge overnight. And for 80% of people that range covers them for a day. But people want larger batteries, even when they don't use all that capacity.
A Tesla will gain the same amount of change overnight with an L1 charger as the Volt, probably even more actually since it's more efficient.
Yeah until there is a universal charging plug for any level of charge why bother fighting that nightmare as a consumer. Most consumers don’t have the time or patience to fight thru the mismatch in plugs and time to charge until that is sorted out the vast majority of us will not switch
Just 10secs spent on the leading company in EV charging stations in this minidocumentary. And mostly negative comments. Just unbelievably byassed. Ridiculous
It's like gasoline and diesel, but you just need yep nozzels not store two different fuels
Most of the EV stations are powered by diesel motors.
I almost got in a fight today at a public charger.
Car was left charging unattended. I waited and after quite some while, I checked to see if it was finished - it was, yaaay. I pulled out the CCS charger, which wasn't locked in because charge had finished. As I get ready to put it in my car a tall idiot yells "why are you touching that?".
I answered "because your charge is over and has been for a while. He immediately started checking his car to see if I was telling the truth. This infuriated me. As if I was lying." What's your problem buddy?", I asked but he turned around and walked back towards the grocery shop. "What, you think I pulled it out?" (which isn't possible if it's charging). The idiot just kept walking. I was fuming.
He should have stuck to a gasoline car, that smuck.
It is almost like the model is wrong. There could be standardized battery packs, go to a station, the depleted battery is ejected and a charged one is inserted by a machine. There would be almost instant gratification and little lost time. Since batteries decline over time, it would be best to making replacing batteries easy.
They have that in China for some models already
Set laws in favor of right for repair.
you already have them, you got them in the 70s... MMWA. Just enforce them
All of the examples used are worst case scenarios. Things are so much better than this video discusses.
It starts with 'people are worried about charging', and continues to inaccurately scare people about charging. Owners know it isn't a big deal.
In Cities like London public charging is available at street parking locations via the lamppost. US needed fewer public chargers for regular use as 80% will charge at home overnight. The build out is grid expansion for distance and rural travel, which is the US challenge. This is solved by the utilities, not small EV charger companies, many of which are gimmicks for photo ops.
Toyota prime is the perfect solution for 80% of population
You can add the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, FORD escape PHEV , Toyota isn't the only one, but you can definitely get a used chevy VOLT for very cheap and they're a very good car, but small. Good enough for a commuter car.
You guys just sold me on #Tesla
What a deadening narrator tone.
If you have a breaker box in your garage. You are looking at like $300-$400 bucks for a professional electrician to put in 240V plug. Which allows for Level 2 charging. Most cars come with a 240V charging plug so that's all you need. "In some cases thousands of Dollars", while may be factually true, isn't reality for the vast majority of people who want to install a charger in their garage.
Dongles for car. Tesla is the new Apple?
Yes.
However their system is the fastest and easiest.
Plus the most convenient.
This problem is a throw back to the 90's. When every cellphone being drop had a different charging prot it took the Europen Government to force all cellphone companies to get on the same page.
Until EVs are as overall hassle-free as my ICE vehicles, I'll keep driving my old cars. I could easily buy an EV if I wanted to, but: "Is an EV better?". Not with the current technology. I need 350+ miles of range, in sub-freezing weather, with no requirements that I need to meticulously plan my stops at certain locales or charge for lengthy periods of time. In my fairly wealthy suburb of 65k+, there aren't many EVs, probably about the 2-3%, like the overall US market. The Tesla people are all the "look at me" types, definitely not the "getting by" types.
Company of 500 and more in size should have compulsory charging station at work place.
The industry might have a problem with charging but i won't be buying an EV UNTIL 3 things are met.
1. 500 mile range...minimum.
2. Charging in 10-20 mins maximum and to 80-100% in that timeframe preferably 100%. That means 400+ miles recharge in that timeframe.
3. Price comparable/equal to an ICE vehicle of same size/capacity.
Until then they can pull my ICE vehicle from my cold dead hands.
I live in Montreal Canada, and have not installed a charger at home and solely rely on the public infrastructure in the city. While this is inconvenient, the cost benefit and pleasure I derive from an ev ownership is tremendous. The city offers charging fees at competitive rates and you do not need to pay for parking while charging, so it is a double benefit.
I'm going to Toronto shortly, and while it will require a little bit more planning, Toronto similarly has a vast charging infrastructure with a convenient app to tell you where the charging stations are.
I would invite anyone who is on the cusp of buying an ev to consider the adoption. The benefits far outweigh the negatives
Can't the industry agree on the shape and size of the batteries so that the battery can be replaced with a charged battery? In this way, car owners don't need to wait for long time for their battery to be fully charged.
Charging time is the achilles heels for the ev, while it is cheaper and easier to build a hydrogen station
Yes, I don't understand why there isn't more of a focus on hydrogen.
@@mtgibbs because most people are mesmerised by tesla and forget that in everyday life it will be more practical to fill hydrogen then charging your car all night long
@@ramadhanisme7 And there's also the battery life cycle and recycling problem.
CCS is the European standard
0:06 didnt know new Ford vehicles had 2 steering wheels. Truly the future.
Hey Wall Street Journal, not sure if you knew but Elon has stated that he is willing to give away tesla specs for the charging port and he was willing to have manufacturers use that port along side with the Tesla supercharger Network. The last thing he wanted to do was make a proprietary and more difficult for people to switch over to EV. He wanted to give people all of the options, however car manufacturers decided to go with the port that they wanted to instead of using a port that has a huge network of chargers
Gas stations need to be smart and start I stalling charging stations. It would be the best thing to do. The conversion is inevitable.
I would love to see the beloved chain Bucees with its 30+ gas pumps get into the charging game!
Tesla had the foresight to build superchargers before the car. Very expensive especially for a new start up company, Tesla. Tesla did not dump EV’s on the market and make taxpayers pay for chargers. GM wants taxpayers to pay.
They should have a early backers program for this. and depending on where clusters of backers live. They get the chargers built in their areas and early adopter benefits
Why don’t we make cars where you can easily swap the battery just like old phones?
There is one in China. That's called Nio.
One of NIO’s key services is battery as a service, which is a process to swap batteries in 3-5 minutes
Because that's just a workaround to a solution that is already in the works. It's bound to be obsolete. Batteries are getting better really fast because of this demand. Expect some cars with new kind of batteries within the next 2 years. not to mention battery swap stations cost even more than charging stations.
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@@hazreh No, its 3-5. It has already been tested time after time. Get your information correct.
Nice video.
Revel isn’t the largest DC Fast Charging station. Tesla has many super chargers with over 50- but they are proprietary
Think price is the biggest deterrent.
Electricity comes from Coal lolololol
Wrong.
Why can't you just divide the battery in multiple smaller parts and charge them all at once?
I believe that Denser EV batteries actually charge faster because of the chemical properties of Lithium, but here's a far more detailed research article on the subject
www.researchgate.net/publication/328000426_Understanding_the_trilemma_of_fast_charging_energy_density_and_cycle_life_of_lithium-ion_batteries
It is done, by the BMS (Battery Management System) but if you only put X watts, you can charge at X watts/hour. And Li batteries cannot charge the top half as fast as the bottom half. So you can get from 5% to 50% really fast, but it takes much longer to get to 100% so all those extra Watts don’t matter for half the charge.
What????
They already do that. For example, Teslas are filled with battery cells not much bigger than a AA battery.
And within a cell engineers try desperately to spread the materials as thin as possible so they can most easily collect energy from the terminals.
That's exactly how it works.
Each pack is divided into sections that are charged and monitored separately. I think one Tesla design uses groups of 74 cells in series.
The Battery Management System then takes the raw power coming in from the charger and feeds it to each group or module to charge each one at the ideal rate and keep them balanced.
Make all the companies pay for charging network
Correction for any future videos or articles: We do not have “Level 3” charging in the USA. There’s L1, L2, and DC Fast Charging. In Europe, they do have Level 3 in the form of 3 phase AC charging. They also use a slightly different plug type as a result.
Why did not mention Nio !!!!!!! and its charging station. Nio has the advantage compare to everybody in the world and they are having it as trademark worldwide.
This might just be the most unenthusiastic voiceover I’ve ever heard
I saw that Jackery!
50kw "fast charging" (not fast)
100kw would be a minimum for adequate fast charging
150kw Tesla's current standard and adequate for a large portion but not all buyers
250kw Tesla's new standard already started building out
350kw future proofing (Tesla's planned next standard and some chargers exist for non Teslas but not vast enough to use for 100% of a trip, or even 10%)
Once automakers are building out their own fast charging network that is at least 100kw then they will start to see their sales go up.
Most Electrify America stations are already 350kw and EV go (shown in this vid) is mostly 150kw to 350kw already lol Tesla isn’t the only one that has fast chargers…
@@KrishnaAdettiwar Europe, yes.
America, I still hear complaints about their low charging speed, low stall count, and how they are either complicated involve a subscription or are just broke.
Need so many networks to work and they aren't easy.
Tesla understood that from the beginning and even when/if legacy automakers decide to make an equal or superior network, they would need to inform people, and if they are that good now then why is it me, a person obsessed with finding out stuff about other EVs so I'm not just saying Tesla every other sentence, has not been able to find this information anywhere?
Nobody will buy their EVs if they think they can't drive farther than just what's in the battery and that's one reason why Tesla is outselling the next best EV 10 to 1.
Sorry if that was edgy, I just don't like hearing how the competition is coming for Tesla and see only Tesla investing into making the best charging experience.
@@matthewboyd8689 No, not just Europe... Like I said, the EvGo and Electrify America networks work great alongside ChargePoint and a number of other networks. Again, 350 kW charging is not new in America and from personal experience, it's very very easy to charge at these stations. I'm not quite sure what "broken subscriptions" you're referring to...the reasons Tesla is selling way more electric cars is not because of their charging network (it's just a small factor), it's because of their technology (specifically their driver assistance features), brand image, and manufacturing capability. Tesla at the moment is the only major car company that can actually produce enough batteries to keep up with their EV demand. Once other car manufacturers catch up on battery manufacturing capacity, Tesla won't be outselling them. To reiterate...Tesla isn't outselling other EVs just because of their charging network - there are a number of other, much more important factors that lets them sell so many EVs - namely their battery manufacturing capacity.
@@KrishnaAdettiwar well, glad to hear other charging networks are improving, and to a degree I agree that other automakers are limited by battery supply.
The dealers also don't want to sell them because they're so little maintenance on them that they wouldn't make as much money. And the fact that other automakers have admitted to not being able to be making a profit off their EVs yet, meaning that as long as they aren't making money they aren't going to try to get you into one with all of their heart.
But we will see.
I'm personally going to be buying Tesla's compact car when it comes out (2023) because $25,000 is within my budget and Teslas are known for their range so I'd guess it would have 200-250 for the base model.
I actually certainly hope you're right that other automakers will outsell Tesla, but I don't see that happening until after 2030. ✌️
What about battery swapping stations?
too expensive and complex
Nio is trying it in China. but the battery is a huge percentage of the cost of the car and swapping means you are either renting your battery or risk getting swapped to a worse battery.
@@DrThunder2004 I think a similar model is quite successful among the electric auto-rickshaws in India