7 Deadly Sins Of Bad Dive Instructors
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- These are the 7 Deadly Sins Of Bad Dive Instructors! Habits I used to have that I broke free from. Observations people have sent me about their own scuba diver training. Thou shalt not....
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Most scuba diving instructors have made at least one of these mistakes or bad habits early in their dive professional career. I'm here to help scuba divers see the difference between good and bad instructors, and to help new scuba divers avoid some of the bad habits that I picked up after my IDC.
Whether it is breaking standards (an absolute no-no) to kneeling. overweighting their dive students or mis-communicating. As Dive Instructors, we are role models for our sport and we need to do the best we can.
As always, thanks for watching!
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7 Deadly Sins Of Bad Dive Instructors 
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I'm a brand new PADI Instructor, about to start work out here in Thailand, and I've been extremely surprised by the huge disparity of quality and adherence to standards in the instructors I've been supporting and shadowing - a lot of the time what I've actually been learning, is what not to do!
@@thirstybonsai1888 I think you need to re read my post and realise what I'm actually saying, before you comment publicly and make yourself look idiotic
It's an industry.
I went all the way to Rescue (PADI) without doing a single dive outside of classes.
I then started to think about tech diving but, fortunately I stumbled across an instructor that did his job, he told me he wouldn't teach me until he saw me fit for it, underwater.
Now, 100 dives later, I'm starting my adv nitrox & deco procedures and realized the mistake I made. Even the adv, if you're not comfortable with your diving, you'll spend money and not gain anything besides a fancy e-card.
All the best James.
You are smart. But a hindered OW dives is not many. Diva more and improve your skills.
@@griffini19 Good point. I would also submit that you don't need to jump into the next dive course right away to keep learning. You will be learning on just about every dive you do anyway, so your education will continue regardless if you are just diving or taking a course lesson.
I did the same but I continued diving with my instructors who had become friends and spent a lot of time pushing the importance of buoyancy and other skills so I kept getting better before I decided to move to the keys and get my DM certification
I did my advanced then wreck dive, my instructor has told me go and learn explore before rescue because it stress tests you. Only on 13 times, one fun dive..... been watching lots everything's gone wrong videos, so much to learn and reenforce
Yeah. Not only that but, if you want to improve on your skills set, you must be comfortable with the previous ones. Only than one should climb the ladder.
I feel super lucky I guess. My OW instructor was a GUE fundamentals course grad and a cave diver (not sure if certified by GUE or other). Needless to say, when I finally did my AOW (with another awesome instructor) and Rescue (with the aforementioned cave diver) classes I was extremely well prepared. He wasn't / isn't a tool, but did NOT let little things slip and taught well past the basics. Probably not for everyone, but he knew his audience.
Fun fact, in my OW dive #1 my instructor yelled at me for hovering and told me to get on the bottom and on my knees with the other students. Many years later, I am now an instructor and teach Neutral buoyancy from day 1! Thanks for your tips and tricks, I was happy to see that as a new instructor I wasn't doing any of these bad habits! I also teach through SDI and encourage all my students to go look at the standards and to help keep me accountable and let me know if I miss anything!
he yelled at you underwater? impressive
@@LowKickMT Full-face mask flex?
In the late 90's i was training to get my sports diver course done, i was diving with an area coach from the diving agency (kind of keeping this vague) i belonged to. he had been having issues with his drysuit and had been working on it at home. well we entered the water with him and we did a 20 meter dive and as we were ascending he looses control of his accent and as he gets near the surface he pulls open the neck seal to dump air. well i stupidly surfaced after him without a 1 min deco stop that the tables mandated. well because of my status as a trainee sports diver the story he put out was "i was responsible as i had lost control of my buoyancy during the accent and dragged him to the surface" the instructor reached the surface before me i had hold of him and had dumped most of my air out of my stab jacket and dry suit i was trying to slow his accent, i later found out he had forgot to remove a piece of polystyrene from the cuff dump of his drysuit and after this no one would dive with me and i gave up. iam now 52 i now live in America and have recently dusted off my gear and would like to go diving again.
I used to be a motorcycle instructor, and recognize many of these themes.
As a relatively new diver (AOW with about 30 post-certification dives), the one thing I want challenge is your objection to OW + AOW close together. With PADI, OW certifies to 60 ft. A lot of my dives have been in around 70 - 80 feet of water, where it was important to stay very close to the bottom with good buoyancy to limit the impact of strong currents. Being constrained by a relatively arbitrary depth limit would have had me hovering at 60 ft and getting separated from the group be being more subject to current, or being excluded from a load of excellent and very attainable dives.
I would argue the opposite conclusion: no agency should offer any certification that lacks sufficient content to prepare a student to dive to the normal recreational dive limits in good, warm water, clear viz conditions. To put it another way, OW + AOW should be the baseline.
Related to this, telling a relative novice that they are an "Advanced Diver" because they have done some simple eLearning and a handful of easy resort dives is beyond irresponsible. And as divers, more fool us if we believe it!
With my AOW and over 30 dives, I am confident diving in good conditions in the Caribbean. Now back home in Nova Scotia, I'm about to join an active ocean diving club, invest in a dry suit etc, and get into regular, year-round cold water diving, including wrecks which are a big thing here. I'm starting with no ego, knowing my Caribbean vacation diving experience counts for almost nothing in this new environment.
PADI can sell us whatever cards with whatever titles they want, but we are responsible for recognizing the limits of our own experience, and making good choices to develop our skills.
I learned basic navigation and night diving while doing OW. Our instructors even covered basic aid. AOW is a way to get more money out of you.
So glad to see "Under Pressure" at the top of your reading list. This should be a mandatory read for any diver at the AOW level and upward
Simon Pridmore's 'Scuba Confidential' is excellent as well.
My open water instructor had myself and two others in class. He let the other two take a break on the 200 meter test in a pool. They basically rested every lap for over a minute. The tread water test he let one student hang on the side of the pool. I think they don’t want to fail anyone for the money $$$. I will say though that he did make us repeat skills many times over until it was second nature.
I did not even asked to swim at all.
My instructor skipped the pool and took us to the ocean (in a sheltered bay) for the entire course. We had to tread water and complete the 200m half way through the day when we were pretty exhausted already. I had a hard time completing it but I’m glad he did. I walked away from the course feeling a lot more confident than I would have if I had my hand held the entire time.
Was in carribean in August, stumbled on a couple (OW) at dive boat (turned out they are from same resort), after watching them for a day, next day I asked them if they want some advice or they would like to keep struggle going.
Skills i had to explain them :
Boat dive - water entry/exit
Gear - putting in on , taking off - while in water.
Obeying your dive computer.
Understand your dive computer.
Tighten the yoke without uga-dugas, finger tight only.
Launching the DSMB.
Washing the gear after the dive.
Don't use your hands under water.
None of those skills were explained to them during the course.
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I was planing for 4 dives on vacation, I ended up doing 10, in the end I found out that guy paid for all my dives at the dive center, they were so excited that they met me that day.
I guess it's a sign for me to upgrade from DM.
My point is this - if you see someone struggle, offer to help them. Maybe they just don't know. Don't just sit and giggle.
great list.
i can always spot a newbie by the use of hands.
i stay away from them because i know there going to catch my hose.
i've found most people don't carry a dsmb never mind know or practice how to launch it.
the problem i have is some people like advise some people don't and you say
next time mind your own business. .
i wish dm's would say more but i guess if it goes south it may affect the bottom line.
This is how diving should be
@@dtt3426 Definitely, some people accept advice being taken as a weakness. That's why if I offer one, I'm usually approach it personally - so not whole boat aware of that.
DSMB always on me, i better have it and don't use it than opposite.
I wish I could say zero-to-hero was only happening in country X or resort Y. But this is an industry-wide issue. My AoW instructor was visibly hesitant to train me as a newly certified OW student with zero fun dives, but the dive shop (his employer) happily took my money, so he had no choice. Looking back I realize he was in an impossible situation.
I did exactly what you suggested I not do, and in my case it actually worked out. I got my Open Water and then immediately got my Advanced and my Enriched Air. Side note - I'm 40 dives in and still haven't ever actualy used EA. However, it wasn't an agencey selling a course, it was me deciding that I flat-out KNEW this whole diving thing was for me and I wanted the additional training right away. The benefit was that I got another handful of dives in a training enviornment right away. I made plenty of novice mistakes yet had an instructor right there to correct me. To the credit of that instructor, his advice after I got the AOW was to not worry about more certifications, but to go dive and enjoy myself for a while. I don't have any regrets on the path I took.
YOur point is more about a shop actively selling the advanced course to new students and I can certainly understand why you'd find that unprofessional.
I’m an OW instructor, can teach just about any specialty, also a technical instructor, CCR cave diver, and continually training and learning. I have backed off of teaching the OW classes because of several,of the reasons you listed. The shop I was teaching for was mainly interested in gear sales and selling “advanced” read that more classes. I was criticized by a fellow instructor for NOT teaching my students kneeling on the bottom of the pool. I always try to teach above standards, and also explain the reason why we learn the skills we teach. I’ve had a lot of good instructors, and some not so good instructors over the years. I’ve always tried to incorporate the good traits from other instructors and avoid the bad ones. I know when I want to learn something I want to excel at it not just learn enough so I can get by. Great video!
Had a 'discount' instructor who never showed up for the 2nd pool lesson. Entire group of students lost their money. Go with a reputable shop!
I had no idea at the time of the quality of my instruction that I received while in college. 13 week course, 4 hours a week, repetitive skills, stressed situations in controlled environment. Came out of that course very confident and very well trained.
me 2. I also had the added bonus of the instructor offering/allowing people who were willing to do the extra work, etc to "jump over" the advanced OW, and become SSI Master Diver certified for a very low additional $100 per. Most of us pounced on the opportunity.
I am so grateful for my unusual OW experience! It was through a college club and it was SIX WEEKS of 3+ hour sessions split between class and pool and then the 4 open water ocean dives.
And an amazing instructor who deserves much of the credit for the things I do right some 20 years later.
Great informstive video for all levels of divers!
Great topic, common problems every diver might be having with their instructors!
This is by far one of your best espisodes ever to new divers and it pinpoints so many tvings. Cheers👌🦕
A complicated one that I see often is instructors being willing to do absolutely everything for a diver. I know it is a customer facing business, but I've seen a divers taking an AOW class who don't know how to connect their regulator to the tank, work their computer, or have any sense of what weighting they need. While I get that many people dive 1-2x a year, if you're taking an advanced course, I feel like gear management should be a bare minimum skill. I wish there was more freedom for instructors to tell guests they aren't ready for a cert or need to brush up on fundamental diving skills.
well said James. As an instructor of many years (and yes it took me a while on some of these points) I have said alot of what you point out about getting to the next level. People are in too much of a hurry theses days to let the knowledge and mussel memory take over for some things like buoyancy control. GREAT JOB KEEP IT UP
Thank you very much James for the reading list!! :)
Glad to help! Dive safe.
Spot on James!! Ive wittnessed instructors who went from being student orientated to "I have to teach as many students and as many courses as possible to make money" the students suffer, the schba shop suffers because of that negative experience but, thank goodness for great dive masters and guides who pick up thos divers and help them get better!
Great video!
The reason I continue to watch yr channel is the “High Standards” you continuously have shown over the years with diving! Thank you. Never step through your moral standards.
Thanks for your support! Dive safe.
Hey James, well you made me feel so much better about my instructors. I'm an SSI opens water and Nitrox cert. Rick, Dawn and John. We're our 3 instructors involved on our training. They really made us repeat skills to create some sort of muscle memory, maybe not right after a good job but back after the next skill off the next day. Or weight was very much spot on, I have t been able to go down with less weight. Our training was always based on bouyancy, never on knees. John made us take apart our gears many times every day of training pool and open water. I got certified end of June and have 24 dives by now. And just now i got offered the scale option for next year. But the thing is the first time we weren't diving without trainers we felt secure and confident of what we were doing, there were many talks and examples during the training days. And guidance. I also know you have dove with one of their trainees as he took some training from you. There are some good trainers out there. Thanks for your time.
Very good subject. My first instructor was one of these, he was 4 out of the seven.
Really interesting video - thank you. I’ve also seen instructors who don’t accompany their charges underwater- just do their own thing - even with Discover Scuba divers in tough conditions. Some instructors are plain bored ; their minds are elsewhere
I am a brand new SDI instructor and can only say thank you for the video!
Thank you for saying these things out loud. I am gaining confidence with every dive I make as a new open water diver. I do feel some pressure to get my advance cert. I will follow through and get advance cert when I get more comfortable in the water. I really like my instructors and the divers that have trained me, BUT, I feel some do pressure to further training prematurely. I really enjoy scuba for many reasons. The people, scenery, the beauty of under water life is an amazing thing to see. I just want to log more dives before I take on more training. Thanks for your content.
My friend, some of the very worst fun divers I have guided are so-called "advanced" divers .. it is really a misnomer and makes people think they are better than they are. You could dive to 19m, name a few fish, do a small square in the water with a compass .. and you're basically an "advanced" diver. If you're not going all the way to Dive Master, or are happy at 18m and less (the best stuff where i dive in Thailand is 10m & less) .. DO NOT be pressured into it. These guys will get likely a commission from you doing the course.
Thank you, James! Been an instrucror 25+ years I cannot agree more you list.
Thanks for watching! Dive safe.
James, You did well with this one, as always. I have been teaching SSI for 37+ years and SDI/TDI for 25+ Years, In Colorado USA. (Part-time)
We all have been through them. It was not until 2010 +/- that the industry started teaching the diver position. I hate the instructors that still teach the kneeing skills. ( I started this in the early 2000's). The weighting issue has always been a problem and will continue to be a problem. It is also a problem at resorts. A good instructor is always teaching about buoyancy and weight. Speaking of Resorts -- they are doing everything for the diver - setting up gear taking it down. Where is the Responsible Diver Code????? -
Hey James, excellent video and great advice as always! One thing I would add is that in practice, much of this is down to shop owners. In some shops, instructors are constantly arguing for sufficient instructional time for students, but shop owners are booking not enough sessions, not enough pool time, etc. Some agencies are no help with this, because they do not set minimal mandatory instructional time, and in any standards violation, it will be the instructor, not the shop owner who is primarily targeted for investigation.
A buddy of mine got his OW at a resort in Mexico that took him down to 85’ in a cenotaph for his first cert dive. I warned him not to get certified at a resort. I often feel like a worse diver after a new course because I become keenly aware of how much more I have to grow as a diver, and am well aware that many of the courses are really only able to teach you a foundation given the limited time in water. The navigation course and rescue course are fine examples of courses with skills that need practice especially if you have lousy visibility. I’ve got both of Mark Powell’s books, Jill Heinerth’s, and Gareth Lock’s. I’m actually listening to Under Pressure for the fifth time and going through The Human Diver first module. My LDS is now making that a mandatory portion of the rescue diver course. Definitely worth it. Thanks for more titles and the ones I already read thanks to you. When are you gona write a book?
Hi James,
Thank you for your hard work and content.
I enjoy you video's very much and they have given me new perspective on more then one occasion.
As I'am a faily new divemaster there is tons of learning to do.
The things standing out for me is the upselling, and the certification of students with the minimum of skills.
The last part in my opinion is due to the lack of spending time with students to complete the course. This is a pace of the diveshop, and this is not always the pace for students.
It's a thing I've discussed frequently but still see it happening a lot. Not only at the shop I work for.
Your video tells me my cause is just, and I will keep up the conversation for change!
Thanks again for the video!
Thanks for watching! Dive safe.
This is absolutely one of your best advice videos. I took your suggestions on three courses and am completing Tec’s course tight now and have signed up for Gareth Lock‘s email blogs and will be taking his course next. New instructor here… following 5 years and 480 dives and I STILL wonder if I am doing everything I can and also continue to search for better ways to teach. I too read dive books one of which is “Diver Down” and that book alone just frustrates me with the level of lazy attitudes that ultimately kill. But thank you so much for your dedication to the hobby. I think you are in the Miami area? I just moved to Port Charlotte three days before Ian hit and am going to be riding out this one…. Idalia I think it is.
So direct and honest….i like 😊
Thanks for watching! Dive safe.
This is a great video James. New diver here, newly certified and I’ve seen a few of these already. My goal is to become a better, safer recreational diver. I’m currently diving in cold, fresh water only.
Thanks for your support! Dive safe.
My PADI open water course was a bit different than most peoples. It was spread out over the course of 16 weeks as an extracurricular class at my university somewhere in the Southwest. It gave us a lot of time to practice trim and buoyancy but there was a huge problem with our instructor. He was very hands off with us. His TA, who was a skilled rescue diver but not an instructor, was the one to teach us how to set up our gear, figure out weighting, and do buddy checks. If it was on the deck instruction, the TA was the one to teach it. The instructor would do classroom instruction and underwater skills only.
This instructor also had a habit of partying with those of us who paid for the dive trips where we completed our open water skill checks. On my certification dives, he dropped us off in Laughlin the night before the dives, then drove a few hours to Vegas to party through the night before being back in the morning for our dives. Notoriously, this behavior led to one eventful trip down to Mexico where he and two students ended up in the drunk tank over night before an early morning boat dive. Needless to say my university cut ties with him soon after and his local dive shop went out of business a year or two later
I had great instructors for my open water in 2010 and my advanced open water in 2019. Learning how to dive was the best decision I ever made. I have been on 5 dive trips and over 100 dives. By the way, I went to Roatan last month, best dive trip ever.
Number 1 haunts me, coming back to diving after a long pause, I had a 2 stars certification and over 100 dives (CMAS not sure if that training still exist), I decided that the right thing to do was to take the Advanced Course to refresh my skils/knowledge. So first pool practice the main instructor forces me to dive with 15 pounds!!!. I have a very negative buoyancy and good skills to control it (wen I got my first star training we didn't had BCDs in Mexico) but it took me two more pool practices to demonstrate to all be instructors that with my aluminum backplate BCC I didn't need any extra weight
CMAS still exist, atleast it's affiliation (CMAS-POSSI Indonesia). I just done a three-star course
Thanks for the video, James. I once received a refferal student from Canada that didn't know how to swim.
Thanks for sharing! Dive safe.
I couldn’t agree more with what you said. My wife and I are medical professionals and when we did our PADI course we asked questions and we where told your not my average students. So I would ask him what if and press him for some answers. He would still hold back some. Then we would go off and educate more ourself’s in the area and shoot back scenarios which he wasn’t wasn’t amused with. We passed and did our EAN after that and stop with him.
Great video, but I have a comment about your #7. Where I learned to dive (Puget Sound) there are almost no dives suitable and safe for an unguided OW diver except in the same training ground sites where OW is taught. I went directly into AOW and felt perfectly comfortable and ready for AOW. Despite that, I would have felt completely uncomfortable without a serious guide / instructor for my first few dives after OW. I may have struggled at that time without a qualified, quality professional to get over that hump.
In my first recreational dive after finishing my open water course I kept searching for the dive instructor during the whole dive at some point I found myself at 25 meters depth and he was just far away looking at me !! Then when we were diving back he insisted to give me his octopus dispite I already have 70 bars and he didn’t hold hands which made me loose his octopus and being searching for my regulator while being in a very short breath that was unnecessary danger !!
In my pool courses, we rarely practiced skills (eg. out of air or weight removal/replace) out of the water. We saw it done and the were expected to do it under the water without doing it ourselves. I found out from a friend afterward that he disliked that dive shop.
No complaints with my dive instructors. They were both really good, and I even got to see one of them spend some time with a student who was getting a little panicky underwater. Made me feel comfortable diving with him. Anyways, my complaint is with a dive guide I had. First open water dive after getting my Open Water certification. I told the guide the weight I used diving (in fresh water), and after looking me over quickly head to toe, he gave me a little less weight. Could I descend? Nope. His initial solution was to try to push me down! When that didn't work, he added weight and I could now join the other divers. Lesson learned for me: don't dismiss something that I think is important. Ask questions.
Great points totally agree
Once again you have hit the various nails on the head. It is very disturbing to see these shortcomings so regularly. Keep up the great work man!
Oh man, yup got the combo OW, AOW + Computer Nitrox one after the other, it was "cheap", but had to pay boat tickets soo, so not cheap in reality. I do have 30 dives now not including a couple of recent aborted beach dive due to very poor visibility. Man I would pay for a book on Florida east coast beach dives, hard to find any good reference info, boat charters will bankrupt me.
Love your videos …AND am one of those who went to your website, sent an email about getting tech trained, and never heard anything in response.
Very good topic. As an asst instructor I have seen good and bad students, and felt the squeeze of the time limits we have to train people.
I have had passionate debates with other dive pros on the training we give. The shop I used to teach at ran 3 hour classes (usually 6pm to 9pm). This time was usually split about 50-50 classroom to pool. I favor far more time in the pool and think that at least some of the stuff in the book isn't terribly useful to the average diver. I get that there is a need for being personable- I am guilty of delivering a military style briefing more than filling time with stories and anecdotes. However, I've watched students eyes glaze over after 45 minutes of class teaching (especially those after work hours) and you are essentially wasting time you could be in the water. I believe that you learn more from doing than sitting in a class, and actually being in the water engages students more anyway. I am not convinced knowing all the medical terms we teach is that useful to day one divers. As a teacher/guide/dive leader you need a deeper knowledge but spending hours on medical terminology for new recreational divers that will likely never need it just cuts into training time even more. After speaking with many instructors I've determined that the only time they ever use all that medical terminology is teaching it in OW. Never using it in any actual scenario. That is time I'd rather spend in the pool doing basic rescue techniques than in a class room shoving 20 letter medical words down students' throats. The former is a far better use of limited training time.
I believe the best instructors do the most teaching with a regulator in their mouth, not talking in front of a white board.
I loved the video and it was super helpful. Any tips for divers in land lock states where the selection of instructors is pretty slim?
I'm 100% with you on everything you mentioned except for the AOW course being taken too soon.
IMHO i see the AOW as cash for depth, there's nothing added to the course, it's just 5 "adventure" dives.
I think let's get all of the courses out of the way and start diving RESPONSIBLY
Please correct me if I'm wrong
Great video James! I would love to hear your opinion as well as those of fellow instructors on the teaching skills neutrally buoyant vs kneeling. Particularly in poor vis, drysuit condition. I taught almost exclusively neutrally buoyant open water classes on Utila and Fiji. But now that i am teaching back in Canada we teach our open water students in drysuits from the get go. That paired with sometimes 3-5 feet of vis in the summer months and I feel like kneeling suddenly has its place. (Along with a lot of assisting DMs). Anyone have any other teaching tricks to combat the low vis and added student difficulties with drysuits?
I got my ow cert in June 2022 I was in a 7 mil wetsuit in the pnw sound. My instructor had me in 70lbs of lead. I didn't feel like that was right so I went to another shop and got some help. Now I dive with 32-34 lbs!
32-34# is still a lot of weight. Thickest wetsuit I dive is 5 mil and with an AL80 I have 6#, 8 in saltwater. Even in a drysuit with thick undergarments I think I only house 12#. You might want to get in a pool sometime and see jut how little you can actually dive with.
I'm doing my PADI OW in China right now. I had a bit of an argument with my instructor because he requires only 2 ow dives on a single day, instead of the specified 4 on 2 days (specified in the PADI online theory class). He just pretended to be lost in translation... so I guess he broke the communication rule as well. I already paid, so I will have to live with it...
I was victim of sin 7 . My instructor at the resort I learned with , told me I had to do my AOW course if I wanted to go on the dive the day after I certified. Knowing nothing I obliged and 4 days and 4 dives after starting the sport I was at 30m in the Caribbean Sea with no real clue .
I had the opposite under weighted. We met on a boat in Key Largo. I'm 6' 4" 260lbs. They had me in a 7mm wet suit and when my tank got to about half I would pop to the surface like a cork once I hit about 15 ft
The more of these videos I watch the more glad I am for my instructor being as good as he was
Haha, oh my God, I have those exact words!!! 20lbs. for a 140lbs diver in Key Largo! When I worked for the old Silent World dive center, I would hear that from divers coming from inland areas or from vacations only divers. It was so funny and sad at the same time! And trying to convince them otherwise is nearly impossible!!!
my dad took me SCUBA when i was littlke boy ever since I LOVE SCUBA DIVING
I had a bad open water instructor and probably his worst sin-aside from rushing us through the course and not making sure we were comfortable with our skills-was failing to get us excited about scuba diving. After we completed our last open water dive, me and the other students just looked at each other and shrugged. Like, “okay, this is cool, I guess.” I think we were all a little bored, and very uncertain about whether or not we were truly ready to dive. My instructor just seemed“over it” and didn’t bring any joy or enthusiasm (not to mention effort).
I recently talked to a presumed dive instructor, and they said they've never dived in Bonaire because all the vehicles there are manual transmission which they can't drive. :D
I am a BSAC diver and before my first lesson my instructor told me. I have no weight in my BCD but you have 4KG, we have to over weight you so you don't float. That is terrible. When I asked another instructor why I have to be over weighted they said it was too much work to teach a student to be neutrally buoyant when you are trying to teach them skills. Buoyancy and trim should be mandatory training in your first few pool sessions.
I'm glad my instructor has non of these :)
I am really happy with him too. That's why we stick to that instructor for every class we take (we only did owd and aowd but atleast I'm planning to do rescue and nitrox when I have the money to do it (but I'm gonna take a dry suit class with the guy who sells me a dry suit, but that is included into the price for the dry suit and he seems to be a good guy too))
@S C could you try to say the first sentence different? I'm not a native speaker and therefore couldn't really understand what you were saying.
Actually most of the instructors I've met in Germany seemed really good to me. But another instructor like James might see flaws I can't see. They can't all be good :D
(me and my father were pretty easy students tho. We didn't had many questions and got all the skills right away (we snorkled before we went to scuba diving))
@S C His name is Matthias he is an instructor in northern Germany in the baltic sea :)
@S C great Location? We don't have a lot of fish nor big reefs 😅
What an amazing video, we've been talking about this a lot lately.
This is why you're the Pride of Australia
👌🏻🤿👌🏻 . Keep them coming
Thanks for watching! Dive safe.
Good reading list. “Scuba Professional” by Simon Pridmore is a great book for instructors too.
I’m looking into getting my open water certification but am starting with swim lessons first since I can’t swim.
My local dive shop also does swim courses (although the names of the businesses are different)
One dive instructor told me I don’t need to know how to swim in order to scuba (although the other did breakdown the needing to know how to swim the x amount of distance and float for x amount of time- I’m tiny and can’t properly float)
Instructor number 2 told me they are looking into bundling open water and advance open water into one training session also when I was asking questions about deep diving and when they recommended going into the Tec classes at that point (mind you I don’t know what gases are taught at which course at this point) he pretty much implied that the other gases don’t do anything but might make people more comfortable and that he doesn’t know whether or not he’s ever felt nitrogen narcosis BUT told me a story of how his buddy asked him about his air and he forgot why he was looking at his watch…. So yeah
I’m limited on where I can get my training done sooo I’m trying to do as much preemptive research before I’m ready for classes because it is shocking how little safety precautions is in the general scuba culture- those who I have found on RUclips seem to be the underliners-
I needed 35 pounds of lead to stay at the bottom on my OW course. I weighed 330 pounds and had a 7mm neoprene wetsuit with boots on me so I displaced a lot of water which made me very boyant.
Ha ha. I never did a swim test for the open water. Great example James. Yes, it was a padi course. I can easily swim 200m by the way.
I saw students doing advance and deep courses without the ability to make a safety stop successfully, just stop at 5 meters for 3 minutes without going to the surface.
It would be so cool having this guy as an instructor
I'm a long time diver, I have no desire to be an instructor. BTW I've taken a lot of courses, (up to master diver) never had a swim test.
i think a good instructor can spot students having trouble swimming and ask for a swimming test, i brought my friend for open water course just last weekend and the instructor saw something amiss when he had trouble swimming and asked him to do a swimming test, true enough he couldn't swim, the instructor then gave him time to complete his swimming lessons, and resume his OW training later
I've diving for 25 yrs and master diver don't remember a swim test
I did. The instructor actually read the requirements incorrectly (doubling them) and nearly "killed me". 😅 Fortunately 1/3 through she re-read it and realized she had doubled it and let us know.
FYI: referring to swim-test
I find it interesting that you mention backing OW with AOW as a problem. Personally, I lean towards them being a single course. Most of the skills taught in AOW are basic dive skills. In particular, as you say, lots of shops teach minimum standards and trim/buoyancy are almost always simplified to a criminal degree. What are your thoughts on doing it this way?
For further classes, I agree. 25+ dives between courses to hone skills.
Everything in AOW use to be in OW until the mid to late 90's. I debate on this one all the time too.
there's always this emphasis on "number of logged dives" as a proxy for experience. I learned far more in 10 self-planned and self-led dives than I did from 25 vacation dives where everyone follows the divemaster around the reef.
James, try visiting WAPSAC and see the litany of Bad instructor practices.
Great videos! This and the rescue diver video are some of the best. Just got my advanced open water, going for my rescue next. Thanks James, informative and entertaining...although you dont talk "American". Just kidding!
Last point happened to me. They suggested me that I could attend to the advance open water right after I got my ow certification. I said no. I don't feel like I could be and advance scuba diver yet.
Bloody scary how close our approaches are. I'm a CMAS South Africa 2 Star Instructor. Everything you've said is spot-on. We're not lucky enough to do live-aboards here, our waves are too big. In my humble opinion - "bare minimum" is not even an option. Especially with the 200m swims, 3min floating, 1min treading water, 30sec breath-hold and 20m underwater snorkel swim. Every now and then a yahoo skipper WILL flip the boat :)
I do start my beginner courses with the "kneeling" thing in the shallow end - just because if they sit, the cylinder pulls them over and they have a shitfit. But, before they even don hard gear, I get them into the water with basic snorkel gear and weightbelt and do a buoyancy check. With a full breath, they should float just below the surface. That's it. Those are your weights for the course. The BCD and Cylinder will cancel each other out. If you want to sink, exhale and use your fins.
Teaching students should be common sense - because, as beginner diver, you've been though it all already. Remember that, and instruct in a manner to reassure and impart enough knowledge to be useful. A baby diver doesn't need to know about Normoxic V-Planner calculations.
It's not about the (agencies-that-shall-not-be-named) zero-to-hero badges on your jacket though, like you mentioned, an Instructor need to be a comforting presence, credible source of info, an ambassador and a sharer of joy.
/rant
Hey Bob. Where do you dive out of? I’m an OW diver always looking for good agencies
you are doing your weight check wrong. if they float on the surface with full lungs and without a bcd / tank then they will have very positive buoyancy at the end of a dive.
@@LowKickMT Ah - sorry dude - think I maybe didn't explain it well enough. In an upright position - feet down, wetsuit on, fins on, mask on, chill normal breath, relax = you shouldn't sink lower your hairline - that's how I check my kiddies weights. Cylinder-wise, if you're using aluminium's (which we don't use here), fair enough, you're going to have to add a tiny bit more to get neutral buoyancy on the 5m safety stop.
Safe diving :)
@@RothCommunications Based in Johannesburg, where you at?
@@robrudman8037 Also Jozi...send me your shop contacts please
You're great!
Thanks for watching! Dive safe.
I am a certified diver have been since 1986 my son is currently going through OW1 right now and the on your knees hand signals have been used several times also the weighting issue has been approached by the more the better I don’t want to be rude or intrude on the instructor I am just in the water observing I am also prior military and the brief before entry is ok but there is no debrief after words in your professional opinion how show I address this or should I just wait till my son is completed and fix the issues one on one with him thanks again your content is extremely helpful
Nice video, James
Sin #6 isn't usually the instructor's error. A lot of businesses need to market for the lower price, plus plus, because some products can be sold cheaper to people who have special needs, such as own gear or locals paying cheaper park fees. I appreciate that this doesn't usually apply to OWC. Also, many customers want it simplified but an equal amount look at the price in the biggest font. You say you hate it, and so do I. But there are reasons it happens and I think it's unfair to blame instructors for this. In these cases the instructor is usually just an employee.
Sin#7 While I agree with you that newly-certified divers need experience more than the next course, again it's not always the instructor's fault here. A lot of newly-certified divers a keen to do more, as they're excited. And many are on vacation, with limited time. It's crazy business sense to tell people 'no' when they want to pay for more. Also, there's an argument to say that a newly-certified diver would BENEFIT from his or her next 5 dives to be with an instructor, learning more ...compared to being 'let loose' to join liveaboard cruises on national park reefs. Again, it's often the dive centre's 'way' to sell more, and it can benefit divers. Although I do know where you're coming from.
Keep up the great work! 💪
Thanks, James. So secure kneeling should only be securely possible if the diver is overweighted?
James. Love the content. Controversial.... How do you know you are a good instructor / teacher? Your video is very confrontational but offers little constructive information about what it means to be a good teacher.
I Made My advanced Open water course basically 5 dices after my Open water cert. I really should have waited and made more dives befor donde ng the advanced cert
Just get certified in cold water dive area, not warm like Florida or etc.
Usually warm water divers are less skilled because you don't have to worry much about your gear, buoyancy etc.
What’s funny is I just got my Scuba Cert Saturday and watched the movie Se7en last night.
My daughter was pushed to complete AOW right after she got her junior PADI. I really dislike PADI courses. I am happier SDI/TDI has better standards and expectations from its instructors!
"Little bubbles there's no troubles"
I've had to change my current OW student's rental regs 4 times now due to TINY leaks. Trying not to pass a bad habit onto the student, but it's very tempting to just ignore little bubbles and get on
There was a guy in my rescue diver class recently proud of his 90’s jacket bcd and regs he’d never had serviced. EVERY fitting had bubbles coming out of it. I asked the instructor is he was our sacrificial victim.
I had an instructor who clearly overweighted all of us students and also did not seem to appreciate fin buoyancy when recommending fin selection. One of the other students was recommended to switch from a semi-neutral buoyant fin to Jet fins and proceeded to spend the rest of the class "walking" through the water.
fins are not the problem, it part of a total setup that can be adjusted. I where RK3 HDs, no weight in my trunks and I am fine.
@@shuntao3475 I totally agree, assuming that the total setup is adjusted. The total setup was not considered. Since ScubaPro Jets are noticeably negatively buoyant (unlike the standard RK3s), the end result of the switch resulted in a diver completely out of trim.
Mine wasn’t over it was under. I was in a seven mill wetsuit. When I got to about half a tank when we got to about 4 meters I would pop up like a crock. They never gave a swim test. I’m a good swimmer, but still should of been tested
I've seen a newly certified OW with 1 post cert dive, start dry suit training.
12:49 ....... thats airplane tickets now
As a new open water diver. Nitrex cert also. I agree on the getting a few dives in before your advanced water certification.
I graduated from my diving classes. One time doing a skill, move on. No repetition at all. They insulted the students. Had my C card thrown at me when I went to go get it. Have never stepped in that shop again.
OMG, I know some places where people start from OW straight through DM in a few months.
You're so lucky you get to live in Florida where diving is so easily accessible. Here in Canada both times I attempted to learn, the instructors did all the bad things in this video and worse.. they always super rush things through too, but kinda understandeable since the logistics for the sport here are nonexistant and have to travel for atleast an hour from the centre just to even get to a pool for training.. and even there, they often mess up the booking so there's even less time in the water. Been my dream to learn since I was like 6 but I can't because PADI (no other agency exists around here) is such a terrible agency focused on getting as many people through as quickly as possible and there are no good options here.
Canadas a big place. If you find a good instructor the agency doesn’t matter. Each of the agencies has good and bad instructors.
Not as big as you might think. Although it looks big on a map, all of our major cities are very close to the US border because 90% of the land is too cold to habitate. Texas alone probably has more development than the entire country. Very few options for diving too as a result, so the few classes here would very likely be purely profit oriented which makes good instructors rare.
@@Penrose517 There’s a dozen dive shops in Toronto alone, and great diving in the Great Lakes and St Lawrence… the west coast has some of the best cold water diving in the world. Good luck, and hope you find what you’re looking for… wherever you seek.
I unfortunately had a bad experience with a scuba diving instructor that actually Caused me to quit getting my open water certification just under a year ago Up here in New Jersey. I'm not gonna throw anybody under the bus and say that person's name but For our first pool session He brought us to one of his friend's private swimming pool in a backyard in New Jersey when it was 50ﾟ outside and the pool Was green from allergy Was green from allergy And made all of the students jump in the pool to do their swim test without a wetsuit It was so cold that when I hit the water it literally knocked the breath out of me.
I've heard over and over that the pendulum has swung to far to the "everyone gets a card" side, unfortunately this one will be hard to swing back due to the financial motivation.
I started my Advanced one dive after my Open Water. Now, it's paused because I have no skills to finish it.
can you explain why you should not do the advanced course right after the open water course? i was on fun dives before taking OWD and my motivation to get certified was to be able to be responsible for my own safety since i did not like to be dragged around and exposed to risks and not know about alll the safety measurements. i felt great doing the advanced course right after OWD, the skills were easy. i would have felt limited with just OW on fun dives. most fun dive instructors/agencies are horrible. i am deeply concerned that i will not be able to learn anything on fun dives if i am not capable of being my own boss. on a fun dive, no one will correct my trim position or breathing technique. i am on my own. so i took the chance to learn as much as i could and do the AOW quickly. i did really well and now i feel confident enough to go on fun dives and be responsible for my own safety and to continue learning on my own, to improve my trim, SAC and bouyancy control on my own. i learned to dive with minimal weight (3-4 kg of lead). i learned to co trol my bouyancy with my lungs instead of my bcd. i feel really confident in my abilities now and i think i wouldn‘t have reached that level with fun dives after OW. and my instructor said: „it‘s easier to work on mistakes now and not let them become habits by diving without an instructor to correct you“
what‘s your opinion on my experience? would be really great to hear your thoughts! ❤