That’s what a saxophone sounds like. You might be most familiar with the typical modern jazz solo sound, which emphasizes a more free and less controlled style of playing, lots of articulation specific to jazz (and only little classical articulation) and bright, penetrating sound. It is in some way less elegant and musical, but more rough and bold, which is what you want in this style (and makes a lot of sense, for in jazz you’d usually have gigs in places where things like soft dynamics do not matter, but you need a sound that carries over a band, bad acoustics and background noise). But in conventional saxophone playing the standard tone is something in between clarinet, violoncello and cor anglais, the soprano more like oboe and trumpet, the bari and lower like bassoon, horn, and double bass. Especially due to the control a good player has over the brightness and the shape of the sound (vibrato, articulation), a saxophone can do quite a lot of different sounds in classical style, especially in an ensemble. A bari can produce a sound quite similar to a violoncello in character, it can sound like a bassoon, like a horn, or whatever. A soprano can sound like a trumpet.
TheVoitel u should say classical sax playing, or like “the idiom for X time period” but not conventional. That presupposes the idea that the classical practice (or any practice) is the musical standard when it definitely is not.
@@ryansanders9273 But there is no such thing as classical practice. Especially in modern classical music you need to be able to be very versatile So for me it makes sense to categorize into conventional playing as the instrument was intended for, and modern play styles such as jazz and contemporary classical technique.
Main takeaways from this: 1) classical and jazz sax make very different demands on technique; 2) classical sax doesn't sound like 'sax' - it sounds more like clarinet, horn or even bassoon; and 3) classical sax in tone and phrasing sounds much more like early jazz styles than later jazz styles (after swing). Because modern jazz draws so heavily on jazz from Parker/Gillespie onwards, we seem to have internalized the bop and post-bop sound as what 'sax' sounds like. it doesn't have to be that way.
as more a music producer than a musician this video was eye opening to say the least. I can't help but think that Jazz, like metal would simply not exist without classical and really the roots run deep.
I think he is emphasizing beats 1 and 3 on purpose most of the time and mocking extreme estacatto, quite the opposite to swing (at least from a technical point of view). Well, obviously the guy can play jazz, so he had to do an effort and slipped some times, heh.
@@David-ee9nc he’s doing more of like what you’d see as a jazz ww1 era, where they liked to do emphasized swing with a dark tone before Benny Goodman and loui Armstrong came in to the picture
That's the joke part, eh? I recall at the 1991 NFA (National Flute Convention) in D.C., there were various cats floating their wares, and this cat from Trenton, NJ, whose name I forget but whose book I bought, did a demo, and he played written out solos on jazz chord changes (he handed out a sheet to all assembled to hear his "Schpiel" with the selection he was gonna play with notes and all writ out) and I had to smack my hand against my mouth when someone in the crowd said, after he had finished playing along with his tape, (yes, tape back then)...she said "I see you played notes that weren't in the score." How hard it was to keep from bursting out laughing, although I'm sure somebody in that crowd must've laughed with me. It was a highlight ot the convention for me. Sheesh! it's all music, eh?? Let go, embrace new stuff! You or I may not like certain forms of new music, but so what? IT HAS EVER BEEN THUS ! Beethoven was ridiculed, Chopin was, too, and sadly, becuz we have no press of indigenous cultures long ago (nor indigenous cultures in the HERE AND NOW), we know nothing of their genius in the musical realms, for, as Eric Dolphy said..."When it's gone, in the air, you can never capture it again." By this I do not mean to NOT call attention to the vast musical cultures around this world, but I ask myself and yourself...didja try sumpin new musically today? if so, good. Here's an ideer for the west---look up AINU music from Northern Japan. Look up Bollywood music from India, look up punk rock from Germany in the 1980's (like Tanzdiele or Tanzdiebe).. how about Bulgarian Rap? There is never enuf time to absorb the WOILD, but recall that it is better to focus on a few things than to spread your time in too many endeavors--I speak from experience, at 61. We study books and learn licks and try to emulate, but the reality calling you is "BE YOURSELF." Music is a deeply spiritual path, and to find your own voice seems disheartening manytimes, but YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE. YOUR MUSIC May not be loved in this lifetime, but so what? You'll be back to try again, but no matta, for fame is dangerous and so is lotsa money. And when you have money or fame or both, there will be Forces trying to get you to do things that you don't want to do. And remember how it was to just create your own little idea, in your own space, maybe with friends or maybve alone, but that is VERY different than being world famous and bothered by wacko fans.! Peace and love to all who've read this far!
Hello this is Jesse Shelton's best friend since elementary school here. I just wanted to apologize for his humor... our jokes, acting, and video making prowess have not improved since middle school. And I love this video deeply because of it! Can't believe I stumbled on this jem. Thanks saxlogic giving me a good laugh, and thanks RUclips algorithm for showing me my friend in the thumbnail of a video I didn't know existed.
The jamming session was super fun. Satire yes, but it made me think a “dueling saxophones” piece with chamber orchestra and jazz trio would be super fun.
Nothing wrong with Cannonball. I am very happy with my Vintage Reborn Alto. It was the closest I found to a 1958 Mark VI Selmer I used to own (badly relacquered, tons of physical and mechanical issues). Its just a little brighter but has very similar tone color. They are great horns.
Only thing I have a problem with is that if you don’t get the right jazz mouth piece, some of the notes are either quite flat or somewhat sharp, the stock mouth piece works just fine though lol
Freddy Trevino yooooooo same. But I’ve played on a professional selmer and let me tell you, I thought about buying it on the spot! Since I’m a lead alto I love being loud, and you can blow so much more air into that thing, and it sounds a little less bright
Classical saxophonists confuse me. There’s just way less repertoire and celebration of the instrument in classical music. I’m seriously convinced orchestral composers just have some sort of bizarre, inborn hatred of the Sax because it’s a truly agile, versatile, and beautiful instrument that can blend well amongst woodwinds and brass, but the old masters of orchestral composition we revere today severely neglected to include the Sax in so many of their works.
There's a bunch of history behind it As for rep, play clarinet, oboe or bassoon parts, allows a lot of rep that already exists, but problems arise of course
All the people who controlled the orchestras and paid the composers really dislike the guy who invented the sax so the composers and orchestras didnt use saxes because they wanted to get paid. Then it just became normal to not have saxes and it hasnt really changed because a lot of orchestras are rooted in “tradition”
A) It's relatively new compared to most orchestral instruments B) Yes, there were some composers who were put off the Saxophone during the 19th century, but the 20th century brought a lot of orchestral Saxaphone to the stage.
@@bushDid911 there isn’t a wrong note that is why the commenter put it in “” because the point of that jazz part was to make it “wrong” and then slur up to the “correct note” but to do that specific slur on the saxophone and make it sound good is pretty hard. Hope that makes sense
Is it just me or do I like BOTH of these guys??? Classical dude's tone is beautiful, his phrasing is melodious w/ just a hint of irony and humor, he's very, very good...
In a completely unbiased opinion, lick 1 and 3 with a classical embouchure sounded actually quite nice. Sounded pretty close to how the early swing players sounded on ballads. Prob because they came from clarinet first and had darker, large chamber mpcs with large bore saxes, giving a dark, velvety tone. Maybe a case for teaching multiple, flexible embouchures?
Classical/jazz; clarinet/sax. We would all greatly benefit of each other’s teaching as they are so many technical overlaps and interesting coloring between these disciplines. I found jazz/purist no less unsufferable than classical/clarinet snobs
so I am not the only one having that thought. Guys like Ben Webster, Benny carter, and Johnny Hodges had absolutely beautiful round tones. As a classic swing person those tones are not foreign for me at all. Even Rudy Weidoeft with that heavenly tone of his. Swings pretty hard too. I guess many modern saxophonist's sound concept came from the Charlie Parker and Cannonball Adderley schools so it has to be bright.
As someone who has only studied classical, I've always felt my jazz playing could be better. I have too many classical tendencies when playing jazz. Our lead alto this year primarily plays jazz but studies classical on the side, so I'm thankful to have him as lead this year
Jordan Macias oh no I was responding to the guy who said jazz was just watered down classical. Both are incredible styles that take lots of understanding of an instrument and it’s tones. I think having a lead who studies both is super productive, my oboe lead plays literally everything in every style and gives us great insight. Very different from saxophone but I recognize the value
i can feel you bro, i’m a classical studying trombone, and when i go improvising in jazz i almost everytime end up sounding like it’s from a symphony or from arban studies, sometimes i unconsciously end up playing excerpts, like, anything in E minor and you will surely have a bit from tchaikovsky 5, two of my friends (flute and double bass) even joined the meme and we ended up playing a whole jam session spamming classical excerpts, the vibe was amazing, stretching up standards that in our hands would normally last 8 minutes to 15 or 20, just so we could play like half of our orchester probespiels, the pianists and drummer were amazing so they were like “fuck this now we’re not playing only jazz anymore we’re playing classical too” and So What started in D minor and ended up in C# Minor (cuz the trumpet solo in the beginning of Mahler 5). We even ended up playing full fugues, like Mahler’s Symphony No. 1 3rd movement (minor scale frere jacques), as well as medieval tunes. i still want to become a classical trombone, like, with my fixed seat at the berliner philharmoniker or something like that, and won’t plan to invest a lot of time in jazz, but definitely won’t abandon it at all, as it’s there where you have a little bit more creative freedom and can have a kind of fun equivalent to playing a tchaikovsky symphony or something, but while being even more chill
As someone who is going into their 3rd year of jazz, I can say that this was super painful to watch. But at the same time, it was absolutely hilarious. Thank you.
The Modern Day: Classical Musicians: Who cares about Jazz they're not even musicians they just play the wrong notes The 1830s: Chopin: Hey guys here's an etude I wrote emphasizing the wrong notes. Hey Liszt, why don't you try it?
Actually, in imitating the "jazz" player's music, his tone is the way early jazz players sounded. BTW, most classical players, like my father, started out in a conservatory, and before you even get down on your instrument you have to learn solfeggio identifying the notes and pitches by ear. My father switched to big band later and made the transition easily and actually was able to transcribe big band charts to paper by just listening to the recordings.
This is HILARIOUS! I have been a classical flutist for 18 years. I just bought a sax and started to learn jazz. I get so frustrated because I just want to see a piece of sheet music hahaha
God, what a sound - half Twenties cornball novelty, half Frenchman with his head in a bucket. And those expressions! Like you're the coolest thing on earth, and have no idea that jazz players haven't sounded like that for almost a hundred years. That must have needed a lot of takes, to get one where nobody cracked up.
All jokes aside, I actually know people who think about jazz as an inferior art form to classical music. Making the same claims in the video. I really hope they see this because this is spot on lmao.
@Royal S Art is subjective. Some things may not be your aesthetic like jazz music however i believe they are all equally artistic depending on the listener.
Royal S music should draw out emotion. If you’re required to be professional at all times while listening, then all the work of the composer is wasted. There is nothing inherently superior about professionalism in music. Classical music excels at telling stories and conveying emotions with its composition, and is not better than any other music because of its “fanciness.”
I made this video specifically for people like you. It’s very apparent that you have been to a very limited amount of jazz events. Have you been to Jazz at Lincoln Center? It contradicts everything you’re saying. And it’s also apparent you have never sat in a rehearsal of virtuosic jazz players or played in a masterclass with one. I encourage you to broaden your perspective. In the meantime you have inspired new lines for my next iteration of this video!
Ahh well I do see where you’re coming from. But I do think when a jazz group of players play together for many years, the artistic element is a lot more nuanced than we would expect. Great groups make it sound easy but the amount of sensitivity is crazy and the different skills required is also formidable. I don’t think it’s worth putting one or the other down. Someone who spends 10,000 hours in either one are gonna achieve insane things in different areas
I'm happy to say that all the classical snobs I know are cut out of my life. My first piano teacher...oof. She once tried to explain to me why classical is superior: "well think of it this way: jazz, rock, all of that is like a village dialect. Classical is the language Pushkin spoke." Dialects are just as fascinating if not more fascinating, but that's beside the point because I think that her analogy is wrong on a much more fundamental level.
Let's put it this way classical is for the upper class aka the important people and jazz is for the working Man The working poor the average Joe. Lol I'm just messing with you. I love BOTH!!! People who are real music nerds love all types of music.
I love jazz and I think the classical touch really adds a wonderful element to the saxophone. It feels closer to the older big band solos like with Glenn Miller.
Probably one of the best examples demonstrating the differences between classical and Jazz sax I’ve seen. OK done with humour and a little mocking of classical players in this example (though I think that helps demonstrate the point even more), so clever. Well done. Can’t wait for the next instalment, vice versa....
I just purchased your book of exercises in all 12 keys and after only a couple pf days with it, I can already see some change! I LOVE IT! Thank you so much!!
i'm a garbage musician and i'm definitely telling on myself hardcore by commenting this, but i honestly and unironically preferred the classical sound for the lick trials.
That squared swinging the classical snob did sounds just like my high school wind ensemble trying to swing. It's not just treating eighths as eighth triplets all staccato, it's about making the first eighth stronger.
I am a Jazz Alto player myself, but honestly i rather have a brighter sound and be more able to express myself like the "classical" player in this sketch rather than having almost no expression as the Jazz player did here... They were both great and i love the humor though!
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Okay this one got me good... I lost it at 5:28
The master has spoken again!
@@Saxologic That lick sounded like Glazunov. Have you ever heard of it?
insaneintherainmusic me too! 😆🤣
@@ethanburton9180 Glizzynov
@@Saxologic *ODIN IS WITH US*
Asks for sheet music
Closes eyes
Oops lol
Telepathic sheet music was sent
That’s what makes it so much harder to read than changes
Legend has it that he only needs one glance and memorizes everything. Even the second page which he can’t even see
I play bass, it’s just chords. The entire song. I got better over the years in highschool, but it’s awful when you play a wrong note 🙃
Regardless of his satire he’s actually a really great classical saxophonist
thanks!!
No! Keep it 666 likes!
Yes I actually love legit
By satire you mean jazz?
Isaac W you could say it’s subjective
dude sounded more like a clarinet than a sax with that round tone LOL
That’s what a saxophone sounds like. You might be most familiar with the typical modern jazz solo sound, which emphasizes a more free and less controlled style of playing, lots of articulation specific to jazz (and only little classical articulation) and bright, penetrating sound. It is in some way less elegant and musical, but more rough and bold, which is what you want in this style (and makes a lot of sense, for in jazz you’d usually have gigs in places where things like soft dynamics do not matter, but you need a sound that carries over a band, bad acoustics and background noise).
But in conventional saxophone playing the standard tone is something in between clarinet, violoncello and cor anglais, the soprano more like oboe and trumpet, the bari and lower like bassoon, horn, and double bass. Especially due to the control a good player has over the brightness and the shape of the sound (vibrato, articulation), a saxophone can do quite a lot of different sounds in classical style, especially in an ensemble. A bari can produce a sound quite similar to a violoncello in character, it can sound like a bassoon, like a horn, or whatever. A soprano can sound like a trumpet.
Because it has to blend with an orchestra
@Doppelpunktdrei I humbly ask you to accept my apology.
TheVoitel u should say classical sax playing, or like “the idiom for X time period” but not conventional. That presupposes the idea that the classical practice (or any practice) is the musical standard when it definitely is not.
@@ryansanders9273 But there is no such thing as classical practice. Especially in modern classical music you need to be able to be very versatile
So for me it makes sense to categorize into conventional playing as the instrument was intended for, and modern play styles such as jazz and contemporary classical technique.
Main takeaways from this: 1) classical and jazz sax make very different demands on technique; 2) classical sax doesn't sound like 'sax' - it sounds more like clarinet, horn or even bassoon; and 3) classical sax in tone and phrasing sounds much more like early jazz styles than later jazz styles (after swing).
Because modern jazz draws so heavily on jazz from Parker/Gillespie onwards, we seem to have internalized the bop and post-bop sound as what 'sax' sounds like. it doesn't have to be that way.
Wonderfully open mind you have!
@@Saxologic Thank you. Try this: ruclips.net/video/tDsCZFimAuE/видео.html No sax, but I think you'll appreciate the solos.
as more a music producer than a musician this video was eye opening to say the least. I can't help but think that Jazz, like metal would simply not exist without classical and really the roots run deep.
Sounds a lot like some sections in Mingus's pieces
@@innocentoctave can you give me some examples of that early jazz sound? For the sax
The constant eye rolls, shoulder shrugs, and “swinging” did it for me lol
The dude’s seriously pissing me off. Idk why, its just a video.
The way he scrunches his shoulders every time he plays 😂
I hope you loved it!
Saxologic i did
Well he should raise his arms too, while playing...we used to call it 'armpit music'... ;)
and his eyebrows😂
Oh man he had me laughing so hard! 🤣
Omg the “swing” on the Charlie Parker lick had me dead 😂😂
seriously, i'm playing billy's bounce right now and that sent a shiver down my spine.
Show me dumb ways to destroy my reeds 7w7
lilibeth 8088 Omggg you’ve seen those videos that’s so funny 😂😂
@@ericolens3 That is the best shitpost I've ever seen.
Koko?
For a “Classical” player he swings a lot lol
I think he is emphasizing beats 1 and 3 on purpose most of the time and mocking extreme estacatto, quite the opposite to swing (at least from a technical point of view). Well, obviously the guy can play jazz, so he had to do an effort and slipped some times, heh.
Feels like 40s jazz and th he one in the right or modern jazz. I'm an orchestra player, I dont really know what I'm talking about.
It's his interpretation xD
@@David-ee9nc he’s doing more of like what you’d see as a jazz ww1 era, where they liked to do emphasized swing with a dark tone before Benny Goodman and loui Armstrong came in to the picture
My dude, that is not swing. That is a dotted eighth sixteenth used in modern classical to imitate swing.
I love to think that the classical guy just walks around with his concert attire on at all times
Lol
underrated comment
Jazz is cool but have you ever played a tritone in a church
I mean in Jazz you do often play tritones
👁👁👄👄👁👁
I literally laughed so hard, I'm not kidding
All the time 😎
Daniel thrasher intensifies
_"If you have the sheet music written down,"_ BIG "IF"
That's the joke part, eh? I recall at the 1991 NFA (National Flute Convention) in D.C., there were various cats floating their wares, and this cat from Trenton, NJ, whose name I forget but whose book I bought, did a demo, and he played written out solos on jazz chord changes (he handed out a sheet to all assembled to hear his "Schpiel" with the selection he was gonna play with notes and all writ out) and I had to smack my hand against my mouth when someone in the crowd said, after he had finished playing along with his tape, (yes, tape back then)...she said "I see you played notes that weren't in the score." How hard it was to keep from bursting out laughing, although I'm sure somebody in that crowd must've laughed with me. It was a highlight ot the convention for me. Sheesh! it's all music, eh?? Let go, embrace new stuff! You or I may not like certain forms of new music, but so what? IT HAS EVER BEEN THUS ! Beethoven was ridiculed, Chopin was, too, and sadly, becuz we have no press of indigenous cultures long ago (nor indigenous cultures in the HERE AND NOW), we know nothing of their genius in the musical realms, for, as Eric Dolphy said..."When it's gone, in the air, you can never capture it again." By this I do not mean to NOT call attention to the vast musical cultures around this world, but I ask myself and yourself...didja try sumpin new musically today? if so, good. Here's an ideer for the west---look up AINU music from Northern Japan. Look up Bollywood music from India, look up punk rock from Germany in the 1980's (like Tanzdiele or Tanzdiebe).. how about Bulgarian Rap? There is never enuf time to absorb the WOILD, but recall that it is better to focus on a few things than to spread your time in too many endeavors--I speak from experience, at 61. We study books and learn licks and try to emulate, but the reality calling you is "BE YOURSELF." Music is a deeply spiritual path, and to find your own voice seems disheartening manytimes, but YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE. YOUR MUSIC May not be loved in this lifetime, but so what? You'll be back to try again, but no matta, for fame is dangerous and so is lotsa money. And when you have money or fame or both, there will be Forces trying to get you to do things that you don't want to do. And remember how it was to just create your own little idea, in your own space, maybe with friends or maybve alone, but that is VERY different than being world famous and bothered by wacko fans.! Peace and love to all who've read this far!
Micah Slobcrud what
II YoloChips II exactly what I’m thinking 😂
Micah Slobcrud u good?
What you actually found the sheet music? #blowsthedustoff
The classical guy is having way more fun than the Jazz guy
Trust me that’s not the case irl 😂
Ignorence is bliss
Classical music is like Religiously sanctioned missionary sex. It has its own beauty but she’s gonna cheat.
The classical guy is helping his friend make a video, the jazz guy deals with this in real life on the daily.
@@williamshackleford4377 I don't think that there are enough classical players to see one daily
How come Jesse looks like he's at a lower resolution than the rest of the screen?
Sitting slightly closer to the camera, slightly out of focus
Rare insult
"I AM... ____"
by the order of the galactic senate, you are under arrest
Sitting out of focus
Hello this is Jesse Shelton's best friend since elementary school here. I just wanted to apologize for his humor... our jokes, acting, and video making prowess have not improved since middle school. And I love this video deeply because of it! Can't believe I stumbled on this jem. Thanks saxlogic giving me a good laugh, and thanks RUclips algorithm for showing me my friend in the thumbnail of a video I didn't know existed.
Okay jokes aside you have an amazing classical sound.
Thats what im saying
prefer the guy on the right.
@@macattack8539 I love the right guy
I love how he's just sitting there like "oh okay I guess we're doing this now"
Being a classical sax snob is like being a kicker on a basketball court.
LOL
💀💀💀
Indeed
It’s like being a quarterback on a soccer field
Sadly There aren't very many Claasical bands with sax. Jazz is kinda our thing. Seriously why would they want Clairenets over saxes?
Nathan: wants the sheet music for everything
Also Nathan: *closes eyes intensely every second*
The jamming session was super fun. Satire yes, but it made me think a “dueling saxophones” piece with chamber orchestra and jazz trio would be super fun.
the amount of shit I’d gotten when i played a cannonball omg it’s like people don’t realize I’m ballin on a budget
Nothing wrong with Cannonball. I am very happy with my Vintage Reborn Alto.
It was the closest I found to a 1958 Mark VI Selmer I used to own (badly relacquered, tons of physical and mechanical issues). Its just a little brighter but has very similar tone color.
They are great horns.
There's some high level players in the industry that play Cannonball. There's nothing wrong with them man.
Only thing I have a problem with is that if you don’t get the right jazz mouth piece, some of the notes are either quite flat or somewhat sharp, the stock mouth piece works just fine though lol
I love my cannonball I play on a gerald albright edition I like it even more than selmer or Yamahas
Freddy Trevino yooooooo same. But I’ve played on a professional selmer and let me tell you, I thought about buying it on the spot! Since I’m a lead alto I love being loud, and you can blow so much more air into that thing, and it sounds a little less bright
The S L A P P tongue was hilarious
I lost it at that point
@davie504
Bro frfr 😂😂
Checkmate
Epico
This was 100% my college saxophone experience. Great documentary LOL
Same
Yes relatable
“If you have the sheet music written down”
:plays with eyes closed
Stolen comment
@@ithinkmallardsarecool5859 fr lmao. Right under the original. Mfs do anything for likes. Just like Twitter fr.
Classical saxophonists confuse me. There’s just way less repertoire and celebration of the instrument in classical music. I’m seriously convinced orchestral composers just have some sort of bizarre, inborn hatred of the Sax because it’s a truly agile, versatile, and beautiful instrument that can blend well amongst woodwinds and brass, but the old masters of orchestral composition we revere today severely neglected to include the Sax in so many of their works.
Cuz sax is so new
Because it didn’t exist until the early 1840’s.
There's a bunch of history behind it
As for rep, play clarinet, oboe or bassoon parts, allows a lot of rep that already exists, but problems arise of course
All the people who controlled the orchestras and paid the composers really dislike the guy who invented the sax so the composers and orchestras didnt use saxes because they wanted to get paid. Then it just became normal to not have saxes and it hasnt really changed because a lot of orchestras are rooted in “tradition”
A) It's relatively new compared to most orchestral instruments
B) Yes, there were some composers who were put off the Saxophone during the 19th century, but the 20th century brought a lot of orchestral Saxaphone to the stage.
4:54 is actually so brilliant though, how he took your "wrong" note and made it right
music noob here, what's the wrong note he plays? in what phrase? please help me understand
@@bushDid911 there isn’t a wrong note that is why the commenter put it in “” because the point of that jazz part was to make it “wrong” and then slur up to the “correct note” but to do that specific slur on the saxophone and make it sound good is pretty hard. Hope that makes sense
Ikr I caught that and was like yoo that’s genius
the eyebrows doe
What eyebrows
my mans “swinging” got me DEAD 😭😭💀💀💀
Lololol
☠️☠️☠️🤣🤣🤣
“Only if you have the sheet music printed” **proceeds to close eyes every time**
Genius concept and execution, 11/10
The classical guy even has the conductor hair. Perfection
I’ve gotten so used to hearing you play jazz lately I forgot how crazy good of a classical player you are
You are a good man
Ah yes, I’ll be known as Joshes first subscriber
Dude in Black's just playing looney tunes songs
@David Gray no the dude in black
@@lzasyr oh sorry
@David Gray who tf is that
@@ohimfinnadie the dude in the black
@@hoodlum6776 yeah but like...who is that?
Nobody:
College Freshman minoring in Jazz: 4:07
That’s some real Rudy Wiedoeft shit
I'm guilty of this 😂
Ngl even though I know he plays jazz irl, that part made me cringe so hard 😖
CAN CONFIRM
@@BariSaxGod25 right? Great in context, but so outdated lol
Is it just me or do I like BOTH of these guys??? Classical dude's tone is beautiful, his phrasing is melodious w/ just a hint of irony and humor, he's very, very good...
2:45 His face every single time he touches lips to the sax is GOLD!
The classical blues sounds like when you're messing around during a blues trying to get your band mates to laugh
God bless you mqn
In a completely unbiased opinion, lick 1 and 3 with a classical embouchure sounded actually quite nice. Sounded pretty close to how the early swing players sounded on ballads. Prob because they came from clarinet first and had darker, large chamber mpcs with large bore saxes, giving a dark, velvety tone. Maybe a case for teaching multiple, flexible embouchures?
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. He'd fit right in with Glenn Miller's orchestra. It sounds awesome to me.
Jazz Guitar Noob Can confirm. My friend plays 2nd alto in the GMO. They are all white too.
Classical/jazz; clarinet/sax. We would all greatly benefit of each other’s teaching as they are so many technical overlaps and interesting coloring between these disciplines. I found jazz/purist no less unsufferable than classical/clarinet snobs
so I am not the only one having that thought. Guys like Ben Webster, Benny carter, and Johnny Hodges had absolutely beautiful round tones. As a classic swing person those tones are not foreign for me at all. Even Rudy Weidoeft with that heavenly tone of his. Swings pretty hard too. I guess many modern saxophonist's sound concept came from the Charlie Parker and Cannonball Adderley schools so it has to be bright.
As someone who has only studied classical, I've always felt my jazz playing could be better. I have too many classical tendencies when playing jazz. Our lead alto this year primarily plays jazz but studies classical on the side, so I'm thankful to have him as lead this year
What’s his name?
SlothMaster101 lmao you’re the type of person this whole thing makin fun of bruv
@@samc5934 lol, I know. Hence why I commented about it and stated that I'm glad we have a jazz saxophonist as lead this year instead of me.
Jordan Macias oh no I was responding to the guy who said jazz was just watered down classical. Both are incredible styles that take lots of understanding of an instrument and it’s tones. I think having a lead who studies both is super productive, my oboe lead plays literally everything in every style and gives us great insight. Very different from saxophone but I recognize the value
i can feel you bro, i’m a classical studying trombone, and when i go improvising in jazz i almost everytime end up sounding like it’s from a symphony or from arban studies, sometimes i unconsciously end up playing excerpts, like, anything in E minor and you will surely have a bit from tchaikovsky 5, two of my friends (flute and double bass) even joined the meme and we ended up playing a whole jam session spamming classical excerpts, the vibe was amazing, stretching up standards that in our hands would normally last 8 minutes to 15 or 20, just so we could play like half of our orchester probespiels, the pianists and drummer were amazing so they were like “fuck this now we’re not playing only jazz anymore we’re playing classical too” and So What started in D minor and ended up in C# Minor (cuz the trumpet solo in the beginning of Mahler 5). We even ended up playing full fugues, like Mahler’s Symphony No. 1 3rd movement (minor scale frere jacques), as well as medieval tunes.
i still want to become a classical trombone, like, with my fixed seat at the berliner philharmoniker or something like that, and won’t plan to invest a lot of time in jazz, but definitely won’t abandon it at all, as it’s there where you have a little bit more creative freedom and can have a kind of fun equivalent to playing a tchaikovsky symphony or something, but while being even more chill
Can we talk about that "Classical Player"s tone though????? So CLEAN!
He is making everything sound like Gershwin...😂
The scoops at 4:06 are just straight-up Gershwin!
Exactly 😂
I was genuinely confused for a second because I was expecting him to be the jazz saxophonist
not saying that this guy isn’t an absolute beast at jazz, but i think his classical sound is NEXT LEVEL
As someone who is going into their 3rd year of jazz, I can say that this was super painful to watch. But at the same time, it was absolutely hilarious. Thank you.
"As long as you have the sheet music written down for me"
*closes eyes everytime he plays*
The Modern Day:
Classical Musicians: Who cares about Jazz they're not even musicians they just play the wrong notes
The 1830s:
Chopin: Hey guys here's an etude I wrote emphasizing the wrong notes. Hey Liszt, why don't you try it?
I'm a classical musician and I absolutely love jazz, I'd rather you say classical elitist or something
this étude is wayyy more than just wrong note
Which etude is that?
Stockhausen: Hold my piano
@Tomáš Mika it’s etude op. 25 no 5 here’s a link ruclips.net/video/F8MIH47br5w/видео.html
tonguing every beat playing swing really takes me back to when I learned I literally didn't know anything about jazz freshman year of college LOL
SaxopwnedTV as a trombonist, hearing that some woodwind players flat-out don’t tongue every note was my eye-opener lol
Wait can you explain I also don’t know anything abt jazz or wind instruments
Actually, in imitating the "jazz" player's music, his tone is the way early jazz players sounded. BTW, most classical players, like my father, started out in a conservatory, and before you even get down on your instrument you have to learn solfeggio identifying the notes and pitches by ear. My father switched to big band later and made the transition easily and actually was able to transcribe big band charts to paper by just listening to the recordings.
This is HILARIOUS! I have been a classical flutist for 18 years. I just bought a sax and started to learn jazz. I get so frustrated because I just want to see a piece of sheet music hahaha
The disgusted looks that Saxologic gives when Jesse plays anything and the sighs after a crisp release have me on the floor laughing 😂
Bruh even when Saxologic tries to play bad it still sounds pretty good
Omg this is like jazz drummers talking to literally any other kind of drummer lol
I don't even play saxophone, found this channel by mistake, was laughing all the way through
5:02 - 5:08 dear god that got me good lmao
God, what a sound - half Twenties cornball novelty, half Frenchman with his head in a bucket. And those expressions! Like you're the coolest thing on earth, and have no idea that jazz players haven't sounded like that for almost a hundred years. That must have needed a lot of takes, to get one where nobody cracked up.
I thought this was gonna be a dunk on classical saxophone players, but this was surprisingly pleasant to listen to.
When asked for sheet music, he definitely just pulled out the Charlie Parker omnibook
legend says he likes every single comment
edit: it took 27 seconds for him to like
Brotha’s got a nice classical tone
That cat on the cannonball has got a killer jazz tone
2 different schools of thought side by side-awesome contrast
Looks like you were about to stank face @ 5:10 LOLLLL. Nice job staying in character
I won’t lie the classical player ego is such a real thing, I hate it 😂
jazz gang
Trust me. Not all of us are like this.
@@jacobbass6437 we know
@@jacobbass6437 true, but there's a few of you like this even in the comments
@@valebliz. Ummmmm at pretty much every university, it’s the jazz department that’s highly competitive and sometimes abusive.
I have been playing for over 6 years now but I never got introduced to jazz before like a year ago so I'm saving up for a jazz mouthpiece.
All jokes aside, I actually know people who think about jazz as an inferior art form to classical music. Making the same claims in the video. I really hope they see this because this is spot on lmao.
@Royal S Art is subjective. Some things may not be your aesthetic like jazz music however i believe they are all equally artistic depending on the listener.
Royal S music should draw out emotion. If you’re required to be professional at all times while listening, then all the work of the composer is wasted. There is nothing inherently superior about professionalism in music.
Classical music excels at telling stories and conveying emotions with its composition, and is not better than any other music because of its “fanciness.”
I made this video specifically for people like you. It’s very apparent that you have been to a very limited amount of jazz events. Have you been to Jazz at Lincoln Center? It contradicts everything you’re saying. And it’s also apparent you have never sat in a rehearsal of virtuosic jazz players or played in a masterclass with one. I encourage you to broaden your perspective. In the meantime you have inspired new lines for my next iteration of this video!
Ahh well I do see where you’re coming from. But I do think when a jazz group of players play together for many years, the artistic element is a lot more nuanced than we would expect. Great groups make it sound easy but the amount of sensitivity is crazy and the different skills required is also formidable. I don’t think it’s worth putting one or the other down. Someone who spends 10,000 hours in either one are gonna achieve insane things in different areas
I'm happy to say that all the classical snobs I know are cut out of my life. My first piano teacher...oof. She once tried to explain to me why classical is superior: "well think of it this way: jazz, rock, all of that is like a village dialect. Classical is the language Pushkin spoke."
Dialects are just as fascinating if not more fascinating, but that's beside the point because I think that her analogy is wrong on a much more fundamental level.
Ugh that’s painful. What is up with that? Why are people so close minded? Can’t stand it.
Let's put it this way classical is for the upper class aka the important people and jazz is for the working Man The working poor the average Joe. Lol I'm just messing with you. I love BOTH!!! People who are real music nerds love all types of music.
George Washington Oh man I gotta use that one in the next part
I had teachers like that when I was in college. Now I would probably tell them to bite me.
The black suit guy is really good, clean and bright tone. And good sense of humor.
Dude this is one of the funniest things I've seen all year
I love jazz and I think the classical touch really adds a wonderful element to the saxophone. It feels closer to the older big band solos like with Glenn Miller.
im a jazz musician and i stretch out from there. i got to say i li sten to classical music to keep my sound tighter
When you started playing Ibert that shit was so funny
Probably one of the best examples demonstrating the differences between classical and Jazz sax I’ve seen. OK done with humour and a little mocking of classical players in this example (though I think that helps demonstrate the point even more), so clever. Well done. Can’t wait for the next instalment, vice versa....
I just purchased your book of exercises in all 12 keys and after only a couple pf days with it, I can already see some change! I LOVE IT! Thank you so much!!
the licc at 4:57 was so nice you almost broke character
5:30 The Glazunov lick
Cool!! I played tenor sax from 5th grade through to a year or two after high school. Your channel is making me wanna pick it up again.
Do it.
i'm a garbage musician and i'm definitely telling on myself hardcore by commenting this, but i honestly and unironically preferred the classical sound for the lick trials.
He’s made so many of these videos but I can never get tired of them 😅
That squared swinging the classical snob did sounds just like my high school wind ensemble trying to swing. It's not just treating eighths as eighth triplets all staccato, it's about making the first eighth stronger.
Is this what the saxs talked about all day, I’m a French horn player btw
Ayeee
As some who doesn’t play sax, this does take me back to conversations I overheard daily in high school
The French horn is the best. Hope you're proud of it👍
@@omamajohnpaul4215 I am, I get all the ladies with my horn
“Classical saxophone “... is that what they call an oxymoron? Seriously, love the humor.
Beleive it or not, sax was originally an orchestral instrument. It still is in some french orchestras
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 PERFECT! All of us saxophone players went to school w THAT guy!
exactly lmaoooo
You are just as good as acting as memeing on the sax. You are a true legend.
Legit Sax is getting good for a job that doesn’t exist.
You could totally make a real song with dueling sax solos, one of which plays more classical and the other doing complex jazz bits
I was thinking about doing a Canon in D for classical alto and jazz alto
Dude....hilarious....
"Unlacquered...I don't know what that is"
"jazz....oh that's what you're playing"
I am a Jazz Alto player myself, but honestly i rather have a brighter sound and be more able to express myself like the "classical" player in this sketch rather than having almost no expression as the Jazz player did here... They were both great and i love the humor though!
I expect the very different tone, but what amazes me is the completely different time feel and rhythmic attack even in such short passages.
A true musician can appreciate both
Classical saxophonists just always sound like they’re trying not to be a saxophone player
Jazz flutiste always sound like they're not trying to play the flute.
@@Caillouteletub123 Exactly why I leave flute for concert and marching band only.
"wow, stellar."
"It really was!"
5:05 you sure that's still classical?! LMAO
Remember when your speakers would make that sound before you got a text or phone call? 😂
I’m sorry but he CANNOT ACT RUDE 💀the eyerolls 😭✋
Wow, what a beautiful classical tone and vibrato! Love this video, LMAO!!
That moment when you know nothing about this instrument and can't tell which is the "jazz musician "
5:07 is the point where my ribs were in agony
1:51.....u just slayed Bird with that hippity skippity rhythm lol
Tee-taw jazz!!!!
Bro that classical player is way too good of an actor.
Also, that extended mouth breathing bit 🤣
The saxual tension in this is too much to handle 🥵
Lmao, If you have the sheet music is too accurate! And dude you're a legend for the Ibert at 5:18
You totally nailed the smugness and inability to swing, but the average classical musician can't follow chord changes like that!
Got the sheet music? Sure! here's the chart watch the changes and try to keep up.
2:20 that gliss was crazy
This is amazing. It sounds like a bad Paul Desmond impression. Brilliant.
I know this video is meant as comical relief but its pretty amazing how different they make the same instrument sound
These dudes are cool, daddy-O. They play well off each other.