My favorite story about Sócrates, which perfectly reflects how intellectual he was, is about how he raised his salary while playing for Corinthians. His current contract still had a year to run and he was about to get an increase from roughly $1,667 to $2,500 a month, which he thought was still not enough. He proposed a deal to Corinthians for almost $7,000 a month, but he would extend his contract for a further two years. The Corinthians boss refused his offer, and also refused any further negotiations. Sócrates was, at that time, probably the only footballer to spend time reading about his rights as a footballer. He found out that under Brazilian legislation at the time, a player's income during the final year of his contract was used to calculate the value of his contract. The more he pocketed in salary and bonuses, the higher his trasnfer fee would be. He was so angry at the club, for not wanting to negotiate that he decided to stop taking any bonuses and therefore force down his market value. For months he returned all the money the club gave him. The club could do nothing about it and eventually agreed up on a new contract which would give Sócrates a new contract worth $22,300 a month. Just by simply knowing his rights.
that doesn't seem right though, if i got paid $500 this week and took it to my employer and said i dont want it, they still paid me, regardless of if i gave it away.
Want een verhaal zeg... ik vraag me altijd al af waar je dat boek van Socrates vandaan hebt. Wil het zelf heel graag lezen maar geen idee waar ik het kan vinden.
@Smattless It's a bit more complicated than that. You see, in Brazil, labor is strictly regulated by a large set of labor laws heavily inspired by the italian fascist regime and labor union demands from 1943, and though the country had 3 wholly new constitutions since then, the bulk of it still stands. To complicate things even more, those law have amended several times through the years by ruling parties with different political biases, making it a true clusterfuck. Today, labor lawyers are among the most well paid in Brazil simply because those laws are such a mess. So knowing your way around brazilian labor law and finding by yourself a loophole to tilt the playing field in negotiations with your employer is an impressive feat for a non-lawyer.
@@LuisA-fc3ox I am not by any means a leftist, but I don't see how a socialist who presses its employer for a salary raise is a hypocrite. If anything, it's coherent with their world view of class warfare. I think the story that speaks the loudest about Socrates's morals is of when he found out he had liver cancer due to alcoholism and refused to skip the transplant line, even though he had more than enough money to pull it off. He decided to wait in the public health system's five year line to get the transplant he needed. He said that it had been his choice to abuse drinking, and he should face the consequences of it, and that no one would wait longer in line for a liver just so he could get one sooner. He died on that line. Here's something to ponder: disagreeing with someone's political views is not a good reason to think they're a bad person.
This movement is iconic in Brazil. Good to know that Socrates is also the Brother Raí who was an icone for Paris Saint Germain and part of Brazil national team in the 90s. Raí has since found one of the most important NGOs involved in education in Brazil. Great family!
This is what real men who play football can do. Bitches like Rooney moan when the public are outraged by staff cuts at football clubs during this virus outbreak.
Tifo needs to make a video telling the story of the period between 2007-2011, in which Corinthians went from being relegated to winning the league title against our biggest rival and in the same day as Socrates passed. Socrates was known to say that he wished was to pass in a Sunday with Corinthians being crowned champions. All in all love to see the videos about Brazilian football keep up the good work!
I grew up in a family of devoted Palmeiras supporters and followed suit. Anything related to Corinthians succeeding makes me cringe. But I have enormous respect for Socrates and what he stood for. A true legend and a model Brazilian.
I had to fight back tears watching this because I’ve read the biography of Sócrates. He genuinely believed in freedom and democracy more than good football and his feet were grand proponents of good football.
@@kizzagt Libertarianism is mutually exclusive to capitalism, which is inherently authoritarian and requires enforcement. Your ideology is so incoherent that you do not understand that the systems you condemn under neoliberalism are systems inherent to capitalism as a whole. Capitalism requires scarcity, which is now artificial, capitalism requires state repression and policing, and capitalism requires colonialism to function in the modern day. These aren't failures of the system, they are the system working to its purpose.
@@benhauben1726 Capitalism is not inherently authoritarian in it's nature. Capitalism and freedom naturally go hand in hand. Funny how the nations with the highest economic freedom consistently are the most free/libertarian nations on the planet. You're clearly mistaking the reality of the nature of communism as the last 100 years of history has demonstrated. Actually neoliberalism comes from the butchering of the ideas of free market capitalism which in reality is actually politically and economically speaking closer to Mussolini's fascism. Making something a right doesn't alter the scarcity of resources and as places like russia, venezuela etc have demonstrated, when you have an abundance of resources, your economy becomes too reliant on them and end up being nearly worthless. No capitalism doesn't require "colonialism to function in the modern day", a classic lie from the socialist minded. You're mistaking empires which require that. Clearly you're very ignorant on political ideologies, history and basic economics.
I support Flamengo, but the "Democracia Corinthiana" Is one of the most important things that happened in Brazil's football, and in the world. I feel envy that this happened with Corinthians, not in Flamengo. Sócrates is the most important football player in the 80's (Zico is the most important in the football history :p)
Is there a fierce rivalry between Brazil’s two most supported clubs? I’m making a video on ‘doze grandes’ now :) Socrates was an icon... Zico is a bit before my time but I know he is loved by Brazilians.
@@EnglishforFOOTBALLFANS in the last years the rivalry grown up, on past the two teams are like brothers, but after internet, the fans have radicalized and today they are big rivals and fight for the title of most powerful club in brazil.
English for FOOTBALL FANS I wouldnt call it “fierce”, but there is as much rivalry as there is between any of the big clubs. I’d say recently Flamengo and Palmeiras have a bigger rivalry thanks to their performance on the pitch.
@@EnglishforFOOTBALLFANS In my opinion exist more a rivalry between Flamengo and Corinthians in the supporters side. Because both teams have a massive group of fans, all over the country. Both of them are not regional clubs, so they battle for "which is the team with most supporters in Brazil?". Corinthians was the team of the 2010's, winning the Libertadores and the World Championship (against Chelsea) in 2012, three Campeonatos Brasileiros (also known as Brasileirão, wich is our first division) and four Campeonatos Paulistas (also known as Paulistão, which are a cup between clubs in the state of São paulo). Flamengo, with Jorge Jesus, already win Brasileirão and the Libertadores in 2019, and probably is in the way of become the team of the 2020's, because have a great team, a very solid academy of young players, and a good financial health (which is so difficult to happen here in Brazil). So this rivalry (between Corinthians and Flamengo) have a great potential to be the greatest rivalry in Brazil in the future.
Socrates was a genius, on the field and out. A true icon and one of the most elegant midfielders, he shines even amongst the pantheon of greats in Brazil. I wished you mentioned his favorite move, the heel pass, as it illustrates beautifully his mindset, daring, unconventional and deeply cerebral in and off the pitch.
I actually met him when I was about 6/7 when he was playing for a team in Yorkshire my dad worked with the sponsors, I can’t remember much but he did sign a Brazilian football and I’ve still got it today. Now I’m older I’ve taken a massive interest in his strange yet amazing life and would urge people to read ‘Doctor Socrates’ by Andrew Downie it’s a great book about him.
As a Corinthians supporter, I'm very happy to see foreigners recognize Dr. Sócrates. One of the greatest of all time, for sure. Here in Brazil we say that he used to play with Tuxedo because of his class while playing. Once in an interview, he said that he want to die in a Sunday with Corinthians winning a title. He actually died in December 4th of 2011, the day where Corinthians won the fifth Brazilian Title
RAJA Casablanca fans made a tifo about him and futebol demcracia in there away match in the african champions league group stage against Es tunis this year
This was a fascinating watch, and I feel better for having known it. I was 16 in 1982, and it was the first World Cup I watched as a self-described adult. I remember watching Socrates play, always upright, tall, head up and looking for a teammate. He was magical to watch. And now I find out he was a social democratic hero too? Thank you. Made my day.
Loving this newly found Tifo content conserning Brazilian football and lowkey critics of the current state of affairs... Football is politics and in Brazil that couldn't be more true. Fora Bolsonaro
it shouldnt be this way though, mixing football and politics is just useless and irrational, our sport does not need to include some god awful clowns and thiefs pretending to be politicians . Football is football
@@moacirmoacirr football, like everything else, is also political. And the people who play it are also political. If you can use football to fight against inequality and injustice, why shouldn't you?
Did tifo just made a video about my team? I can't believe it, the democracia corinthiana is a wonderfull history that just made me fall even more for Corinthians. As for Sócrates I wish i could see him play at least once since his one of our biggest idols in history, both on and off the pitch; things like this that never will happen again.
Thank you Tifo, for bringing this topic. Which is arguably the most iconic movement in Brazilian football history. Specially now, when we so much in the need of a Sócrates.
It’s interesting to say that Socrates’ brother Raí was also a football player that won 2 Libertadores for Corinthians’ rival São Paulo fc and won the 1994 World Cup
I feel like this could've been a small part of a bigger (20-25 minutes?) video, covering his whole life (which I'd be eternally grateful for). I love Socrates so much, my favourite Brazilian ever, with so much more about him than just what he could do with a football, but what he spent his life doing away from the game.
Always amazing histories here. Football is part of society, so it reflects people feelings and the general situation. Important to say that Brazilian dictatorship hardly used de 1970 World Cup to promote its regime.
Would love to see more stories like this, particularly at a time when football has become so commercialised. An adaptation of the documentary series 'Football Rebels', presented by Eric Cantona, would be great!
great video! what you guys do is absolutely marvellous! I'm from Brazil and have never heard of this story, and that's probably because I'm 20 yrs old and nobody told me this. thank you Tifo!
A intellectual footballer who was not really interested in football. A elegant genius on the pitch. One of my most fav player. He thinks beyond football, a thinker with a compassionate heart. His name Socrates after the Greek philosopher suited him somewhat with the environment he was in.
amazing video as always, very happy to see someone translating this storie to english, even more happy for being a corinthians supporter and a Sócrates fan
I'm a São Paulo fan, and our biggest rivals are Corinthians, obviously I hate them but Socrates is impossible, he is our Biggest symbol of fighting for the REAL democracy, sadly my country is going back for the bad days but i don't give a shit I don't leave anymore in Nazil 🖕😂 but RIP Dr Sócrates 🙇
There isn't any Nazil, this is just the result of the extremely polarization Brazil is currently living, the far right thinks that there's nothing good the leftists can say or do and vice versa. We don't live in the Sócrates time anymore, what he really did was to think with his own head, and we should do the same now, run away from polarization and aggregate the things that are good on our opposals, and then construct a country worthy living. I'm brazilian living in Brazil and I speak this only for myself.
I love your videos. Would love if you made a video about Vasco da Gama, the first team that won a professional championship with black players and how daring they were after they got expelled from a professional championship created by the elite teams (that were composed by Flamengo, Fluminense and Botafogo), just because Vasco had black plyers. (it's called resposta histórica)
Thanks, Tifo. As a Brazilian and a corinthians fan, I have to say that Socrates will always be on our memory. And for the ones here that say shit about him, you should look at yourself in the mirror. Yes, he supported PT, but who didn't? A lot of people supported that party before the well known corruption scandals. He died in 2011, you can't judge him with today info. And also, I will remember you: Just the fact that in 2020 so few players in Brasil thalk about politics makes him even more especial, the guy was talking against a dictatorship that killed THOUSANDS of people who talked and organized against it. Show more respect for Socrates and for history. Yes, he had alcohol issues, after all he was man, not a god. A true corinthians player, a democratic hero, an awesome player, and a leftist.
There's plenty of material in brazilian football history for this channel to explore. Congrats tifo. I suggest you look to the history of Bangu AC in the 80's, a neighbourhood club that almost won the Brazilian Championship in 1985 thanks to larger investment from Castor de Andrade, a Rio de Janeiro mafia boss.
The story is amazing but its end is so depressing... i know there is democracy in brazil now (it was or even is corrupted but still...). Socrates showed in his statement how much he cared about democracy in his country and it failed at this time
Unfortunately it's failing now... Trump and Bolsonaro's supporters are destabilizing both Americas democratic face by the core His brother Raí spoke against football coming back before it's safe, and that had a fair bit of repercussiom. (Bolsonaro wants it to return at all costs NOW, with 1000 deaths per day, so Sócrates's brother spoke against it). Btw his brother is also a footballing legend (played in the 90's)
And when Sócrates arrived to Italy the press asked him about Who was his favourite italian player and he replied "i've come to read gramsci in his natural tongue and to lesrn about workers right and history"
@@JustN0tMe i'm just saying being a socialist isn't really something to boast about, even more so when he was rich all of his life. a champagne socialist as they say. his childhood heroes were also che guevarra and fidel castro lmao... a dictator and a leader of a militia?
@@Writeous0ne it was a lose/lose situation for him...either being under a dictatorship or share his money with people...i wonder what was worse😒 He wasnt born rich and supporting Che and Fidel says nothing of a person...Mandela supported Fidel and Mandela was against fascism but he supported Fidel because it was preffered to have a dictator as a lider than let the entire country be run by other countries...at least you can replace that lider(if the people want to) the same cant be said against one or multiple countries Btw I dont see the issue with socialism(besides economically), its not communism as some say nowadays
@@JustN0tMe Bro, almost all, dictatorships are leftists, they come to you with the promise of helping the people, for them "people" is a cryptic word for total power, sadly people are so stupid and fooled that they fall for it.
tifo,can you also please make these kind of football politic content for my country,Indonesia.its a country really tainted by corruption,including the thing that we loved the most,football.
“I would like to die on a Sunday with the Corinthians champion" he actually died on the day that corinthians defeated their biggest rival to win the national title, a year later the team won the “libertadores” and the club world cup undefeated.
Socrates DID GRADUATE as a DOCTOR at the medical school of the university of SAO PAULO one of the most prestigious institutions of higher education in the iberoamerican world in 1977.
I like players with a “football second” culture. I feel too many players these days, especially in mainland Europe have a “football first” culture and as a result, get lost in it.
Because they're worried they might become someone like LeBron and trying to say they're more than an athlete. 😅😅 Then anyone who says it will immediately go against it.
im aware wikipedia isntt the most accurate source, but according to so it seems as though his playing time was limited. It appears he didnt play alot of games. Can someone fill me in if this is actually the case or not.
Good heart, commendable dedication to democracy... too bad the utopia the chased hates the idea of democracy as anything more than a tool to be discarded once power is achieved...
Thomas Kendell Nice, but the first thing you need to know about Corinthians is that you have to avoid the green colour at all costs! 😁 Corinthians wears black and white, while their biggest rivals Palmeiras wears green.
Me too mate Corinthians's fans just marched in favor of democracy today (and some rival fans joined). All big 4 clubs in São Paulo refuse to come back before the pandemic problem is solved in Brazil, or at least the state of São Paulo (against Bolsonaro's will)- 1000 deaths per day btw... This is a big deal. Current continental and national champions Flamengo/from Rio de Janeiro (40 million supporters nationwide) and their rivals Vasco are in favour of this irresponsibility. Botafogo and Fluminense, the other two of Rio's big four, are ferociously against it. Yeah. It's an actual debate in Rio (Bolsonaro's home electorate). Shouldn't be. All Rio State Championship clubs signed in favour of returning, except Fluminense and Botafogo. Tough times for a Carioca like me, but at least there's some hope. Besides, my fav club is on the right side of this, which makes me a bit less sad. But still... Our country's president... USA🤝Brazil...
Horrible how I feel scared of posting this even though we live in a democracy, kinda shows how scary and fragile it is Being antifacist is apparently being a criminal now... According to T+$mp and b+_)$naro
Socrates and Zenon, a duo of midfielder philosophers who played in a team with a Greek name, and defended a model of government that emerged in Greece. well, in ancient Greece, Socrates and Zenon did not defend democracy, they were reincarnated just to change their point of view lol.
My favorite story about Sócrates, which perfectly reflects how intellectual he was, is about how he raised his salary while playing for Corinthians. His current contract still had a year to run and he was about to get an increase from roughly $1,667 to $2,500 a month, which he thought was still not enough. He proposed a deal to Corinthians for almost $7,000 a month, but he would extend his contract for a further two years. The Corinthians boss refused his offer, and also refused any further negotiations.
Sócrates was, at that time, probably the only footballer to spend time reading about his rights as a footballer. He found out that under Brazilian legislation at the time, a player's income during the final year of his contract was used to calculate the value of his contract. The more he pocketed in salary and bonuses, the higher his trasnfer fee would be. He was so angry at the club, for not wanting to negotiate that he decided to stop taking any bonuses and therefore force down his market value. For months he returned all the money the club gave him. The club could do nothing about it and eventually agreed up on a new contract which would give Sócrates a new contract worth $22,300 a month. Just by simply knowing his rights.
that doesn't seem right though, if i got paid $500 this week and took it to my employer and said i dont want it, they still paid me, regardless of if i gave it away.
Want een verhaal zeg... ik vraag me altijd al af waar je dat boek van Socrates vandaan hebt. Wil het zelf heel graag lezen maar geen idee waar ik het kan vinden.
@Smattless It's a bit more complicated than that.
You see, in Brazil, labor is strictly regulated by a large set of labor laws heavily inspired by the italian fascist regime and labor union demands from 1943, and though the country had 3 wholly new constitutions since then, the bulk of it still stands.
To complicate things even more, those law have amended several times through the years by ruling parties with different political biases, making it a true clusterfuck. Today, labor lawyers are among the most well paid in Brazil simply because those laws are such a mess.
So knowing your way around brazilian labor law and finding by yourself a loophole to tilt the playing field in negotiations with your employer is an impressive feat for a non-lawyer.
Sounds like he liked capitalism when it came to his pay. He should have shared his wealth.
@@LuisA-fc3ox I am not by any means a leftist, but I don't see how a socialist who presses its employer for a salary raise is a hypocrite. If anything, it's coherent with their world view of class warfare.
I think the story that speaks the loudest about Socrates's morals is of when he found out he had liver cancer due to alcoholism and refused to skip the transplant line, even though he had more than enough money to pull it off. He decided to wait in the public health system's five year line to get the transplant he needed. He said that it had been his choice to abuse drinking, and he should face the consequences of it, and that no one would wait longer in line for a liver just so he could get one sooner. He died on that line.
Here's something to ponder: disagreeing with someone's political views is not a good reason to think they're a bad person.
It’s so sad he passed away a year before Corinthians won the Copa Libertadores.
Rolando Cardona He said he wanted to die on a day when Corinthians won a trophy and he did. They won the Brazilian title the day he died
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Thanks for sharing that nice fact!
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and the title game was against rival Palmeiras.
This movement is iconic in Brazil. Good to know that Socrates is also the Brother Raí who was an icone for Paris Saint Germain and part of Brazil national team in the 90s. Raí has since found one of the most important NGOs involved in education in Brazil. Great family!
TarsoBsAs ngo? What’s that?
@@keraatkins7833 Non-Governmental Organization. The name of Rai's NGO is 'Gol de Letra' and helps with education of 15.000 kids and teenagers
good info brother
This is what real men who play football can do. Bitches like Rooney moan when the public are outraged by staff cuts at football clubs during this virus outbreak.
Raí, Raí, The Terror Of Morumbi lol
"I'd like to die on Sunday, I'd like to die when Corinthians is champion of Brazil."
He did it. Great man, one of the people I respect the most.
He is a true legend, not only as a player but as a motivator. Also thank you To go for bringing back some of football's greatest stories.
Tifo needs to make a video telling the story of the period between 2007-2011, in which Corinthians went from being relegated to winning the league title against our biggest rival and in the same day as Socrates passed. Socrates was known to say that he wished was to pass in a Sunday with Corinthians being crowned champions. All in all love to see the videos about Brazilian football keep up the good work!
Dark times
I grew up in a family of devoted Palmeiras supporters and followed suit. Anything related to Corinthians succeeding makes me cringe. But I have enormous respect for Socrates and what he stood for. A true legend and a model Brazilian.
Vai Corinthians 😂 Anyway good story mate …
I had to fight back tears watching this because I’ve read the biography of Sócrates. He genuinely believed in freedom and democracy more than good football and his feet were grand proponents of good football.
If he truly believed in freedom and democracy he wouldn't be a socialist but a libertarian. Socialism only leads to tyranny.
@@kizzagt hahahaha
kids on the internet are so funny
imagine thinking that libertarianism is anything more than a bunch of oligarch puppets
Hmm Sounds like Dr Martin Luther King Jr.
@@kizzagt Libertarianism is mutually exclusive to capitalism, which is inherently authoritarian and requires enforcement. Your ideology is so incoherent that you do not understand that the systems you condemn under neoliberalism are systems inherent to capitalism as a whole. Capitalism requires scarcity, which is now artificial, capitalism requires state repression and policing, and capitalism requires colonialism to function in the modern day. These aren't failures of the system, they are the system working to its purpose.
@@benhauben1726 Capitalism is not inherently authoritarian in it's nature. Capitalism and freedom naturally go hand in hand. Funny how the nations with the highest economic freedom consistently are the most free/libertarian nations on the planet. You're clearly mistaking the reality of the nature of communism as the last 100 years of history has demonstrated. Actually neoliberalism comes from the butchering of the ideas of free market capitalism which in reality is actually politically and economically speaking closer to Mussolini's fascism. Making something a right doesn't alter the scarcity of resources and as places like russia, venezuela etc have demonstrated, when you have an abundance of resources, your economy becomes too reliant on them and end up being nearly worthless. No capitalism doesn't require "colonialism to function in the modern day", a classic lie from the socialist minded. You're mistaking empires which require that. Clearly you're very ignorant on political ideologies, history and basic economics.
I support Flamengo, but the "Democracia Corinthiana" Is one of the most important things that happened in Brazil's football, and in the world. I feel envy that this happened with Corinthians, not in Flamengo. Sócrates is the most important football player in the 80's (Zico is the most important in the football history :p)
Is there a fierce rivalry between Brazil’s two most supported clubs? I’m making a video on ‘doze grandes’ now :) Socrates was an icon... Zico is a bit before my time but I know he is loved by Brazilians.
@@EnglishforFOOTBALLFANS in the last years the rivalry grown up, on past the two teams are like brothers, but after internet, the fans have radicalized and today they are big rivals and fight for the title of most powerful club in brazil.
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I wouldnt call it “fierce”, but there is as much rivalry as there is between any of the big clubs.
I’d say recently Flamengo and Palmeiras have a bigger rivalry thanks to their performance on the pitch.
@Harris Zaindi neotelevangelism, basically. But brazilian players have always had this political supidness
@@EnglishforFOOTBALLFANS In my opinion exist more a rivalry between Flamengo and Corinthians in the supporters side. Because both teams have a massive group of fans, all over the country. Both of them are not regional clubs, so they battle for "which is the team with most supporters in Brazil?".
Corinthians was the team of the 2010's, winning the Libertadores and the World Championship (against Chelsea) in 2012, three Campeonatos Brasileiros (also known as Brasileirão, wich is our first division) and four Campeonatos Paulistas (also known as Paulistão, which are a cup between clubs in the state of São paulo).
Flamengo, with Jorge Jesus, already win Brasileirão and the Libertadores in 2019, and probably is in the way of become the team of the 2020's, because have a great team, a very solid academy of young players, and a good financial health (which is so difficult to happen here in Brazil).
So this rivalry (between Corinthians and Flamengo) have a great potential to be the greatest rivalry in Brazil in the future.
Socrates was a genius, on the field and out.
A true icon and one of the most elegant midfielders, he shines even amongst the pantheon of greats in Brazil.
I wished you mentioned his favorite move, the heel pass, as it illustrates beautifully his mindset, daring, unconventional and deeply cerebral in and off the pitch.
I actually met him when I was about 6/7 when he was playing for a team in Yorkshire my dad worked with the sponsors, I can’t remember much but he did sign a Brazilian football and I’ve still got it today. Now I’m older I’ve taken a massive interest in his strange yet amazing life and would urge people to read ‘Doctor Socrates’ by Andrew Downie it’s a great book about him.
As a Corinthians supporter, I'm very happy to see foreigners recognize Dr. Sócrates. One of the greatest of all time, for sure. Here in Brazil we say that he used to play with Tuxedo because of his class while playing.
Once in an interview, he said that he want to die in a Sunday with Corinthians winning a title. He actually died in December 4th of 2011, the day where Corinthians won the fifth Brazilian Title
Oh, I almost cried... It's so beautiful seeing it "by the outside vision". And let's not forget how brilliant this man when playing!
Im brazilian an its a honor listening it from a British channel
Thank you Tifo for these videos in these times!
RAJA Casablanca fans made a tifo about him and futebol demcracia in there away match in the african champions league group stage against Es tunis this year
Any links to that?
This was a fascinating watch, and I feel better for having known it. I was 16 in 1982, and it was the first World Cup I watched as a self-described adult. I remember watching Socrates play, always upright, tall, head up and looking for a teammate. He was magical to watch. And now I find out he was a social democratic hero too? Thank you. Made my day.
Democracia Corinthiana é um marco na história do Corinthians e do Brasil !!! Sócrates, o Doutor da bola !!! 👏👏👏🏴🏳 Vai Corinthians !!!
Loving this newly found Tifo content conserning Brazilian football and lowkey critics of the current state of affairs... Football is politics and in Brazil that couldn't be more true.
Fora Bolsonaro
it shouldnt be this way though, mixing football and politics is just useless and irrational, our sport does not need to include some god awful clowns and thiefs pretending to be politicians . Football is football
@@moacirmoacirr football, like everything else, is also political. And the people who play it are also political. If you can use football to fight against inequality and injustice, why shouldn't you?
Did tifo just made a video about my team? I can't believe it, the democracia corinthiana is a wonderfull history that just made me fall even more for Corinthians. As for Sócrates I wish i could see him play at least once since his one of our biggest idols in history, both on and off the pitch; things like this that never will happen again.
Thank you Tifo, for bringing this topic. Which is arguably the most iconic movement in Brazilian football history. Specially now, when we so much in the need of a Sócrates.
One of my hero’s lucky to meet him and have one of his shirts. A lot of footballers today could learn a thing from him.
It’s interesting to say that Socrates’ brother Raí was also a football player that won 2 Libertadores for Corinthians’ rival São Paulo fc and won the 1994 World Cup
I’m currently reading the book by Andrew Downie. Honestly, one of the best books ever written. Sòcrates : Doctor, Footballer, Philosopher, Legend. 🇧🇷
It seems amazing to remember Socrates played for Botafogo in his youth, because i have an uncle who played in Botafogo's youth team.
Could not have asked for a better video. Have been wanting something on Socrates for ages now. He was a master - both on and off the pitch.
I feel like this could've been a small part of a bigger (20-25 minutes?) video, covering his whole life (which I'd be eternally grateful for).
I love Socrates so much, my favourite Brazilian ever, with so much more about him than just what he could do with a football, but what he spent his life doing away from the game.
Makes you cry a little when you watch the video about one of your all time favourite Brazilian.
Always amazing histories here. Football is part of society, so it reflects people feelings and the general situation. Important to say that Brazilian dictatorship hardly used de 1970 World Cup to promote its regime.
Would love to see more stories like this, particularly at a time when football has become so commercialised. An adaptation of the documentary series 'Football Rebels', presented by Eric Cantona, would be great!
Brazilians always have the best names
And the Greeks
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Would love to see more videos introducing the Icons in the Ultimate Team👍
great video! what you guys do is absolutely marvellous! I'm from Brazil and have never heard of this story, and that's probably because I'm 20 yrs old and nobody told me this. thank you Tifo!
My father is a Palmeiras fan(Corinthians biggest rival) and he always said that Sócrates is the only Corinthians player he ever admire, a true legend
The ending gives you the same feeling as when a sad plot twist happens at the end of the episode and the credits have no music
A intellectual footballer who was not really interested in football. A elegant genius on the pitch. One of my most fav player. He thinks beyond football, a thinker with a compassionate heart. His name Socrates after the Greek philosopher suited him somewhat with the environment he was in.
amazing video as always, very happy to see someone translating this storie to english, even more happy for being a corinthians supporter and a Sócrates fan
I'm a São Paulo fan, and our biggest rivals are Corinthians, obviously I hate them but Socrates is impossible, he is our Biggest symbol of fighting for the REAL democracy, sadly my country is going back for the bad days but i don't give a shit I don't leave anymore in Nazil 🖕😂
but RIP Dr Sócrates 🙇
Nazil LoL 😅😅
I’m a Corinthians supporter, don’t live in “Nazil” anymore either, but I still care, like Sócrates would.
@@reinaldosato I know just kidding
There isn't any Nazil, this is just the result of the extremely polarization Brazil is currently living, the far right thinks that there's nothing good the leftists can say or do and vice versa. We don't live in the Sócrates time anymore, what he really did was to think with his own head, and we should do the same now, run away from polarization and aggregate the things that are good on our opposals, and then construct a country worthy living. I'm brazilian living in Brazil and I speak this only for myself.
I love your videos. Would love if you made a video about Vasco da Gama, the first team that won a professional championship with black players and how daring they were after they got expelled from a professional championship created by the elite teams (that were composed by Flamengo, Fluminense and Botafogo), just because Vasco had black plyers. (it's called resposta histórica)
vasco.
@@matheus_mmf Vasco
A brilliant and well documented story there thanks for sharing this Tifo Football 👌🏼❤ Stay Safe people.
Thank you for the video. Please do more content related to Brazil!
Thanks, Tifo. As a Brazilian and a corinthians fan, I have to say that Socrates will always be on our memory. And for the ones here that say shit about him, you should look at yourself in the mirror. Yes, he supported PT, but who didn't? A lot of people supported that party before the well known corruption scandals. He died in 2011, you can't judge him with today info.
And also, I will remember you: Just the fact that in 2020 so few players in Brasil thalk about politics makes him even more especial, the guy was talking against a dictatorship that killed THOUSANDS of people who talked and organized against it. Show more respect for Socrates and for history. Yes, he had alcohol issues, after all he was man, not a god. A true corinthians player, a democratic hero, an awesome player, and a leftist.
Another great video. Thanks man. As history buff and football fanatic. This is my favorite channel.
There's plenty of material in brazilian football history for this channel to explore. Congrats tifo. I suggest you look to the history of Bangu AC in the 80's, a neighbourhood club that almost won the Brazilian Championship in 1985 thanks to larger investment from Castor de Andrade, a Rio de Janeiro mafia boss.
The story is amazing but its end is so depressing... i know there is democracy in brazil now (it was or even is corrupted but still...). Socrates showed in his statement how much he cared about democracy in his country and it failed at this time
Unfortunately it's failing now... Trump and Bolsonaro's supporters are destabilizing both Americas democratic face by the core
His brother Raí spoke against football coming back before it's safe, and that had a fair bit of repercussiom. (Bolsonaro wants it to return at all costs NOW, with 1000 deaths per day, so Sócrates's brother spoke against it).
Btw his brother is also a footballing legend (played in the 90's)
Awesome ! Congratulations for sharing this content... He was the biggest Corinthians idol
what a man✊
Best football channel by far!! Keep up the good work
,respect🙏🙏🙏
And when Sócrates arrived to Italy the press asked him about Who was his favourite italian player and he replied "i've come to read gramsci in his natural tongue and to lesrn about workers right and history"
Most of my friends like Socrates as a player...now i like him as an activist
his father had a good job and he was paid into the best schools, it's always funny when rich people become socialists.
@@Writeous0ne yeah cause a dictactorship is better😕
@@JustN0tMe i'm just saying being a socialist isn't really something to boast about, even more so when he was rich all of his life. a champagne socialist as they say.
his childhood heroes were also che guevarra and fidel castro lmao... a dictator and a leader of a militia?
@@Writeous0ne it was a lose/lose situation for him...either being under a dictatorship or share his money with people...i wonder what was worse😒
He wasnt born rich and supporting Che and Fidel says nothing of a person...Mandela supported Fidel and Mandela was against fascism but he supported Fidel because it was preffered to have a dictator as a lider than let the entire country be run by other countries...at least you can replace that lider(if the people want to) the same cant be said against one or multiple countries
Btw I dont see the issue with socialism(besides economically), its not communism as some say nowadays
@@JustN0tMe Bro, almost all, dictatorships are leftists, they come to you with the promise of helping the people, for them "people" is a cryptic word for total power, sadly people are so stupid and fooled that they fall for it.
Never knew much about him beyond him being an Icon on FIFA. Thank I tifo!
Socrates and Zico - The best attacking midfielders of all time
Great player. Great man who deserved a good video like this. Now do one about Tele Santana and the team of 82.
Great try! But his story is more deep and outstanding! Anyway, thanks! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 (There’s a chance to have one about Robbin Friday?)
Theres already one about him
Beautiful
Brilliant video, loved this.
Finally! Socrates is the best player ever to play for my club Corinthians
What a legend
Vai Corinthians!!! ❤⚽️⚽️⚽️
Vai Corinthians
This is the kind of thing that makes me proud to be a Corinthians fan.
Great Video...
he needs a movie or a good documentary
tifo,can you also please make these kind of football politic content for my country,Indonesia.its a country really tainted by corruption,including the thing that we loved the most,football.
Its alwys my pleasure playing master league wit Legends on, then coach Brazil to player their renowned legends to la glory!
Great video, but the narrator could do a little bit of research on pronunciation before recording...
Wow. What an amazing story. That’s a good biopic.
“I would like to die on a Sunday with the Corinthians champion" he actually died on the day that corinthians defeated their biggest rival to win the national title, a year later the team won the “libertadores” and the club world cup undefeated.
Please do a video about Jorge Jesus and the Flamengo team!
VAI, CORINTHIANS!
Hey guys at 5:22, you say "Spain", but you included Portugal in that. Being your (England's) oldest ally, I thought you'd like to know!
Players voting on how long to train. What could possibly go wrong...
"The Doctor".
what a king
you guys rock!!!!
Vai CORINTHIANS
GO CORINTHIANS!!!
Socrates DID GRADUATE as a DOCTOR at the medical school of the university of SAO PAULO one of the most prestigious institutions of higher education in the iberoamerican world in 1977.
I like players with a “football second” culture. I feel too many players these days, especially in mainland Europe have a “football first” culture and as a result, get lost in it.
Because they're worried they might become someone like LeBron and trying to say they're more than an athlete. 😅😅 Then anyone who says it will immediately go against it.
Legend
Can you do a "Seattle Sounders FC tactics explained"?!?
when Tifo Football turns into The School Of Life
Do a video on flamengo winning the libertadores and brasileirao within the same 24 hours no club has ever done that
im aware wikipedia isntt the most accurate source, but according to so it seems as though his playing time was limited. It appears he didnt play alot of games. Can someone fill me in if this is actually the case or not.
Tifo, please make a vídeo on Jorge Jesus’ Flamengo
1:46 you just made a lot of enemies in the state of São Paulo lol
a maioria do estado de SP são Corinthianos então, fez uma porcentagem bem pequena de inimigos. HAHA
We need an analisis on Köln under Gisdol!
LET's Gooooo
RIP DOCTOR
Good heart, commendable dedication to democracy... too bad the utopia the chased hates the idea of democracy as anything more than a tool to be discarded once power is achieved...
Please make a video of garrincha
talk about Edmundo souza player of vasco da gama please
Whats the song in the background?
ótimo vídeo (y)
I love this man and this club 💚
Wish they do the same with Bolsonaro
Thomas Kendell Nice, but the first thing you need to know about Corinthians is that you have to avoid the green colour at all costs! 😁 Corinthians wears black and white, while their biggest rivals Palmeiras wears green.
Me too mate
Corinthians's fans just marched in favor of democracy today (and some rival fans joined). All big 4 clubs in São Paulo refuse to come back before the pandemic problem is solved in Brazil, or at least the state of São Paulo (against Bolsonaro's will)- 1000 deaths per day btw...
This is a big deal.
Current continental and national champions Flamengo/from Rio de Janeiro (40 million supporters nationwide) and their rivals Vasco are in favour of this irresponsibility.
Botafogo and Fluminense, the other two of Rio's big four, are ferociously against it. Yeah. It's an actual debate in Rio (Bolsonaro's home electorate). Shouldn't be. All Rio State Championship clubs signed in favour of returning, except Fluminense and Botafogo. Tough times for a Carioca like me, but at least there's some hope. Besides, my fav club is on the right side of this, which makes me a bit less sad. But still... Our country's president... USA🤝Brazil...
Horrible how I feel scared of posting this even though we live in a democracy, kinda shows how scary and fragile it is
Being antifacist is apparently being a criminal now... According to T+$mp and b+_)$naro
Hello @Tifo Football, could you kindly read portuguese as portuguese and not as spanish?
tito, great videos as alway. if you need help with portuguese pronunciation, msg me
Socrates and Zenon, a duo of midfielder philosophers who played in a team with a Greek name, and defended a model of government that emerged in Greece.
well, in ancient Greece, Socrates and Zenon did not defend democracy, they were reincarnated just to change their point of view lol.
The greek vibes in the title tho