One Czech politician who was interrogated by both communists and the Gestapo said “Yes the Germans tortured me, but they were interested just in things I knew, they didn’t want to hear lies. Once I gave them what they wanted, they stopped and I was not harmed any further. Communists wanted me to confess something I didn’t commit and they tortured me until I confessed to what they told me to, then they kept torturing me. Maybe as punishment for confessing to a treason or maybe just for sport.” That’s the rough translation and I think it sums up those regimes pretty well.
@@comradekenobi6908 Both regimes are monstrous in my mind. Soviets didn’t put people in gas chambers (on industrial scale). I ain’t taking sides I just think it’s interesting quote.
As terrible as the Soviets were, don’t ever side with the Nazis. Half of this stuff is post war propaganda made up so that the Nazis weren’t portrayed as bad, because they fought the “evil Soviets”
That is true. I personally believe that the reason for this is because the Soviets and generally Communism did not harm the West. If you check the attrocities and the victims, aside from Germans, it was almost entirely Eastern Europeans, the Soviets themselves and also Asians (China, North Korea, Cambodia etc). The Western countries never really suffered from Communism directly, thats why they are more tolerable towards it. For me, they are equally bad and anyone who considers himself a "communist" should be ashamed of himself/herself.
In Poland you can sometimes find comparisons to the Red Star, as representing the Satanic pentagram, but that is mostly seen in wartime poetry or songs. (Due to the Soviet exterminating habits towards the clergy). There are also interesting comparisons made towards the Germans, as "Barbaric Neo-Pagan Germanic tribesmen".
Now it is equally restricted in Ukraine (swastika and sickle and hammer) before the war in 2013 we had communist party in the parliament but now it is banned.
@@warrioroflight6872 no America lost NAM' you can't change this, as you said they pulled out when the south Vietnamese got attacked so the retreated and didn't return later so they LOST
@@Goldcat1850 from my research, there was a peace treaty in which North Vietnam and the US and South Vietnam signed, and then the US pulled out, after the US military pulled out, North Vietnam invaded the South again
I work with a guy named teddy from Poland. He has a family member that was born from the Red army rapes. The things he told me about turned my stomach.
Do not forget to say a special prayer tonight for the Red Army and its sacrifice to save ungrateful Poles. "On 20 October 1939, Hitler told General Wilhelm Keitel that the war would be a difficult "racial struggle" and that the General Government was to "purify the Reich territory from Jews and Polacks, too."[58] Likewise, in October 1939, Nazi propaganda instructed Germans to view Poles, Jews, and Gypsies as Untermenschen.[59]" "With the Polish decrees (8 March 1940), the Nazis ensured that the racial inferiority of the Poles was legally recognized in the German Reich, and regulated the working and living conditions of Polish laborers (Zivilarbeiter).[63]" " In 1941, the Reich decided that within two decades, by the year 1961, Poland would have been emptied of Poles and re-populated with ethnic-German colonists from Bukovina, Eastern Galicia, and Volhynia.[100] The ruthless Germanisation Hitler required for Lebensraum was attested in the reports of Wehrbauer (soldier-peasant) colonists' assigned to ethnically cleansed Poland - of finding half-eaten meals at table and unmade beds in the houses given them by the Nazis.[101] Baltic Germans from Estonia and Latvia were evaluated for racial purity; those classified to the highest category, Ost-Falle, were resettled in the Eastern Wall.[102]" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
Why We Fight: Battle of Russia (1944 US documentary) German war crimes against Soviet citizens 8:40 - vandalism 9:50 - mass murder 10:45 - children 10:52 -child rape ruclips.net/video/LKgciQ0FRNY/видео.html
@@evawind To save ungrateful Poles? You mean the same people who got invaded by the Soviets and Nazis? The poles who had to lived through war crimes not once but twice from two different nations? Then years after the Poles lived through communist rule that was forced upon them by the country that pillage and raped them. Yeah and you call then ungrateful? 🙄
@@detroitandclevelandfan5503 On 22 August 1939, just before the invasion of Poland, Hitler gave explicit permission to his commanders to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language."[12][13] Ethnic cleansing was to be conducted systematically against the Polish people. On 7 September 1939, Reinhard Heydrich stated that all Polish nobles, clergy, and Jews were to be killed.[14] On 12 September, Wilhelm Keitel added Poland's intelligentsia to the list. On 15 March 1940, SS chief Heinrich Himmler stated: "All Polish specialists will be exploited in our military-industrial complex. Later, all Poles will disappear from this world. It is imperative that the great German nation consider the elimination of all Polish people as its chief task."[15] At the end of 1940, Hitler confirmed the plan to liquidate "all leading elements in Poland".[14]
@@evawind Okay right good for you. You know what the Germans did and love to point the finger at them. You won't admit the Soviets crimes though. Tell you what why don't you watch this link? It is no American propaganda just a Soviet soldier telling how righteous they were. ruclips.net/video/5Ywe5pFT928/видео.html
@@d-4073. Destroy half their country. Surrender. Go to gulag. Why is it so hard to work in a ruined country? I looked up the numbers on Wiki. Well. The Soviets captured 4 376 300 POWs. 3 956 300 (90%) of them eventually returned home. Statistics on labor camps: In total 3 486 206 POWs were there. Survived 2 967 686 (85%). Most died before 1946 because during the war the USSR could not take enough care about prisoners. Many prisoners were paid for their work and even allowed to write letters home. Btw this applies not only POWs but also to all gulag prisoners. When there is no war gulag is not as terrible as many people think.
There's a reason why most Germans during defeat preferred surrendering to American and/or Western forces. The Soviets were more brutal and unpunished by their officers
I think that had more to do with the fact that they knew about their own atrocities that they committed and their mass extermination of millions of soviet civilians. They knew their retribution for that wouldn't be light, and they were right.
@@yevgeniikisarauskas5085 Totalitarian regimes don't like to tell people about the wrongs they do. They do like to say what their enemies did wrong. Not every soldier committed warcrimes or would be aware of them. But they'd be informed about how bad surrendering would be.
@@yevgeniikisarauskas5085 Except they didn't kill millions of soviet civilians - thats what the reds did to their own population. Which I guess is reason enough to fear an enemy.
I always considered the Soviet Union to be it's own separate faction during the war. The Western Allies and the USSR had polar opposite goals. They only fought together because they had a common enemy.
Hey, I'm Estonian and I am genuinely thankful for the existence of this video. The rampant denial and downplaying of Red atrocities in the entirety of Eastern Europe and elsewhere that continues to be commonplace in the western world needs to end and those that continue denying and downplaying must be treated just like those who deny and downplay the Holocaust, for it is no better or worse. We lost so much possible history, and nowadays not even 70% of my country is actually Estonian.
And it's with KGB veteran thugs like Putin that often make me worry about Estonia as well as other Eastern European/Baltic Nations. There are those that still believe said lands rightfully belong to Russia. It's as if the Soviet Union died in body but it's spirit endured.
@@antona.4572 Can't say much about the Estonian voluntary SS forces, but I am fairly certain they hadn't commit and warcrimes, as the recruitment campaigns all promised them a free Estonia. The exact same thing was done under Soviet rule during WW2, Estonians were baited with thoughts of freedom to join the Soviet army in the fight against the Germans. At the end of the day, shit happens in war. Always has. It is ironic how you claim that concern of Russian incursion into the Baltic states is propaganda-fuelled and then accuse the Baltic states of being backwards and of having bad economies, as this is something Russia media outlets really pump out for some reason. Estonia had the *least* amount of debt out of any other nation in the world, last I checked, but our economies are okay, they're not good or bad, but they are limited in their capability due to the long-lasting negative effect communism has had. Let's not even mention the hordes of Russians in Estonia and Latvia who don't even speak our languages and parasite off of welfare.
Anton A. So the Russians would invade the Ukraine under the false pretense of reaching the ethnic Russians living there (in a former soviet state) but nah they wouldn’t even consider invading the Baltic’s using a similar fascist playbook. Also, you must be very narrow minded to have such a black and white interpretation of history. Just because we in the West, be it Estonia or or America, call out the communist bastards of the Soviet Union automatically does not mean that we condone or sympathize with the evils perpetrated by the Nazis or consider them heroes. But many of us share the conviction that those in the communist/Marxist crowd deserve the same hostility and contempt and treatment as that of the Nazis. To hell with all of them!
@@meatloaf5772 a usual recepy for anti-Russian propaganda is 10% truth vs 90% straight-out lies. But with "Russia invaded Ukriane" case, it is 100% straight-out lie with 0% truth. Just pointing out where your propaganda has failed this time.
Of course your Red comrades did not commit any war crimes at all , did they? Estonia is a great country in it's own right . The Soviets had, and still have, no rights to this wonderful country. Just listen to what these murderers did to innocent civilians as well as soldiers during and after the War. Every one still living should be brought to justice and jailed.
All teachers teach about German atrocities Some teachers teach Japanese atrocities too. But barely any teacher talks about Soviet atrocities (or at least talk about them deeply)
In Poland they are rather known. We don't like when someone leaves our AK insurgents to get grinded against German War Machine when it could have been prevented and then takes our sovereignty for 45 years.
@@ricardorojas5045 It's all your fault you didn't help us in 1939, if you did that Germans would be pincered and crushed before Soviets could have taken half the Europe. Later Germans were up to bombing London and Soviets didn't really have a problem with you, that's why you helped the more sane dictatorship, the USSR.
The most concerning part of this comments section is not those defending communism (like anything else, communism is just an idea), it's those claiming that these atrocities never happened in order to defend their ideals
Why We Fight: Battle of Russia (1944 US documentary) German war crimes against Soviet citizens 8:40 - vandalism 9:50 - mass murder 10:45 - children 10:52 -child rape ruclips.net/video/LKgciQ0FRNY/видео.html
Lol. Had the same Idea for such a meme for quite a while. Though Instead of the first line being said by a civilan in my version it would have been like this: Poland: Oh thank the lord! You have saved us!
Katyn massacre,Rape of berlin,Mass deportation,The holodomor,And tons of genocides.When you really think about it the soviets were really just like the nazis and in my opinion even worse but their crimes are ignored.The quote "History is written by the victor"Really describes what the soviets did.
Not at all. You know how bad they are right . So how did they write history I aware most of the ppl here have a yr 9 lvl understanding of history sorry not sorry
You don’t know what you’re talking about at all lol. The katyn massacre was against the polish army, the rape of berlin was not systematically structured but it was actions by soldiers, there was not “tons of genocides” in the Soviet Union, and nobody recognized the holodomor as a genocide during that time anyways. You are a fool.
History is not written by the victors, history is written by historians. They dig in the archives for any footage, notes, letters and personal accounts, battle plans and any other piece of evidence that can prove and back up any claims. Then they write a hypothesis on it and share it with colleague's who in turn also do their own research on the matter. After everything seems legit and can be backed up by evidence it is submitted to a board that will try to challenge any claims you made. If they find out you made shit up not only you but all the other historians that backed you will lose credibility which can end an historians career. What you mean to say is that the victors government will just try to hide and deny any atrocity with loads of propaganda. But if it happened and there is any piece of evidence on it, a historian would probably write a real piece on it.
@@skettinbutter3635 I don't think we have the right to drop bombs on Japan. But the millions of people that were brutally tortured by Japan in WW2 deserve to drop 1000 atomic bombs on them.
My babcia survived a gulag. She lost all of her sisters and the only ones to survive along side her was her mother and cousin. We have her entire trek recorded as after she was liberated from the camp she had nowhere to go and no family left. She barely survived her journey to england as she knew going back to poland was no longer an option. I wouldn't be where I am today without her herculean strength to survive a hell on earth for 3+ years.
@@TheFront dudes were literally trying to take over the world and eliminate an entire race of people, sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures.
@@alexanderpippington9277, agreed. Only the atrocities of the Soviets, the Nazis, and the Japanese Empire were government sanctioned. If caught a Western Allies soldier would be court martialed. Not to say it didn't happen, but we never ordered soldiers to do it. Big difference and a testament to how despotic any form of totalitarianism is.
@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 Actually, I believe that after the Malmedy Massacre, US troops were told not to take SS and fallschirmjägers prisoner. (Even though fjs weren't even participating in it.)
But the Communist government WAS fascist! Stalin was a fascist, Mao was a fascist, Pol Pot was a fascist, and the Kims are fascist. Pretty much every dictatorship is/was fascist.
@Jonathan Votta LOLOLOL! You, are the one who doesn't know what it means! Are you one of those schmucks who think it is the opposite of Communism? No, that would be Free Enterprise. Fascism is a type of rule or attitude that suppresses any other viewpoints, and is not afraid to use force to put it down. In this country the biggest fascists I can think of right now is ANTIFA. Ain't that a kick? It's like North Korea calling themselves a "Democratic Republic".
@TerranStriker They weren't socialist they were actually pretty capitalistic economically speaking. They supported private property and corporations. Before the night of the long knives the S.A leadership wanted to break off because Hitler was betraying their socialist values. Also just because it has socialist in the name doesn't make it socialist like how North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea even though it's not a democracy. Just because it's in the name doesn't mean that's what thr party means.
Katyn. I was waiting to hear Katyn Forest Massacre mentioned. My maternal Grandmother came to the US as a teenage Polish immigrant. She said "everybody is touched. Everybody felt Katyn." As it seemed every family had someone who was marched into the woods and did not come out. She usually only spoke of the atrocity in her native tongue. There's a Katyn monument in the cemetery at the National Shrine of Our Lady of Czestochowa. Not many people of that age around anymore, but as a child I remember Polish-Americans crying at that spot for hours.
The Soviets shot the Poles with German weapons with German cartridges, knowing that there would be a war later and the Germans would seize this territory, and therefore they would blame them, it's fucking difficult)). At the same time, 100 thousand Polish soldiers who crossed into the territory of the USSR from Poland will not be shot(Anders' Army) and will be transported to Iran at their request. Why did the USSR shoot those soldiers in Katyn?
@@GarrettJimmy Well, the thing is that the Russians were not at war with Poland, at least not officially. See, that's real the issue here. Then again, when communism is the rule, there is no end to the shit that goes on and zero value put on human life. You missed the whole point here.
@@sub3er033 Because the USSR divvied up Poland with Germany as per earlier agreement between those two giants of humanitarianism. Stalin figured that the easest way to pacify the Polish population that suddenly finds itself under the Commie rule, is to kill off those who run the military. Logical choice. Impossible choice for those who grew up in the West. Perfectly reasonable for the criminals who call themself communists, as though there are other kinds of communists, of course.
@Pete Rhein My mother was german and she and my grandmother escaped from East Germany at the end of the war. My mother breaks out in tears when I question her, so I only have bits and pieces. I wonder what else they went through? I really geel for all the people that were tortured, killed and emotionally scarred. It's a useless thing in life, brought about by madmen, who're still around today
@Ffg McRae I've seen the other comments this man has made. He's clearly an apologist for the Soviets. He inherently doesn't agree with the quote nor does he believe the facts stated by this video.
@@AaronPaulIbarrola I don’t believe it, this video really hurt me. I'm not saying that this was not at all, but you would have known what the Nazis were doing in my homeland and what the hatred and thirst for retribution were, but there was an order from above not to touch the peaceful by violence, this tack has a number and is stored in the archive, but here they talk about the opposite, so this is an outright lie
@@loko450 Yeah all the leaders including Hitler had an order to not harm civilians....obviously none of them followed it. The reason why the soviets were so bad was because people seem to want to forget they did anything and try to justify their acts.
@@lilzp9106 Did the Fascists have orders not to touch the civilians? Do you exist in parallel reality? Plan is to read its content on the plans of the Third Reich in the occupied territories. Destroyed gray-haired villages by order, burned together with the residents, justifying the Nazis, you become an accomplice
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The Nazis did the same thing and worse in the Soviet Union, the Axis were getting a taste of their own medicine neither the third Reich or the Soviet Union adhered to the Geneva convention in the second World War
@@k0mentator507 : In the war cime trials after wwll , both in European and Pacific theater, NO allied soldiers had been punished. Why the winners had not been punished for their crimes? DOUBLE STANDARTS.
Well yes. Count the German, British, polish, American, French, soviet, Estonian, Chinese, Taiwanese, Guinean, Czech, Austrian, Aussie, Italian so yeah.
@@dipanwitamandal7289 Almost no Australian civilians died in WW2. The Japanese bombed Darwin, and I think a sub shelled Sydney. That was about it. I think maybe 100 people died total in both attacks
The ones who fight are also nothing but civilians pushed to the frontline to die. It's even worse because they suffer even longer until they get killed.
because that's what it did. but there still are people spreading anti-Soviet propaganda, and people believing every word of it, no questions asked. i wonder why. could it have anything to do with capitalism failing further and further, with more people starting to look for alternatives... it would be so convenient to persuade everyone that there's no alternative, that the alternative was even worse. stop thinking. exploitation for private profit is here to stay. commies were bad. just trust us.
Every human being is 51% good and 49% evil by nature. The sooner you realise that the better you can deal with that. Use the evil inside yourself to do good. It is like this russian say with the good and the bad wolf inside of you. Which one is stronger? The one you feed!!!
2 questions: 1. Can you please name a nation from USSR/occupied lands, which lost more people, value and property and can't have even own national state until today, year 2021, because of Bolshevism? 2. Please name high-ranked officials in Stalin's government, who were Russian by ethnicity.
@Nika The Freedom Fighter (1) UK and France signed peace agreements with Nazi Germany in 1938, in Munich, and ordered Czechoslovakia to surrender to Hitler. In September 1938 Nazi Germany invaded Sudetenland. Polish wouldn't let the Soviet Army to pass through to counter German Nazis in Czechoslovakia. In September 1938 Poland invaded Tesin. ruclips.net/video/RKggGhTaO8/видео.html Mr Litvinov of the Soviet Union raised the question of containing German Nazis at the League of Nations meetings. He did that on several occasions, but was ignored (watch 1944 American Why We Fight documentary). In the same documentary they showed how later, in fall 1939, German Nazi bombed and invaded the western part of Poland (the fait of a traitor is always grim). The only reason the eastern territories were saved from bombing according to Why We Fight, is because the Soviet Army was quiche enough to move to the border separating the western and eastern parts of Poland. Yes, the Soviet Union signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop nonaggression treaty, but they did it the last out of all European nations. The fact that Poland and Finland were not included in to the Soviet Union after WWII is a perfect evidence that it wasn't in the Soviet Union's plans to engulf either of the former Russian Empire's territories. P. S. Poland and Nazi Germany also had a nonaggression treaty. It was signed in 1934. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_declaration_of_non-aggression According to Why We Fight, WWII began on Sept 18, 1931, when the Militarist Japan occupied Manchuria.
@Nika The Freedom Fighter Most atrocities in Serbia were committed by the unlawful NATO airstrike that hit Belgrade on the Easter Sunday, 1999. Bombs read 'Happy Easter'. The strike was NOT authorized by UN.
@@TheJayTex "An American veteran recalls their crimes in Iraq, Korea, Vietnam". I won't be surprised if you also consider killing nazi soldiers as crimes for Russian soldiers.
There wasnt a single army during the war that didn’t commit warcrimes. Everyone should he held to account, regardless of whether they won the war or not
To be fair, I don't think anyone disagrees with you on that. For example, you can find many people who claim that America is the greatest county ever, but I still have yet to find anyone who claims that it has no faults.
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@@vlasbaranyuk5663 it’s because the video is about Russian atrocities, not German ones, one country’s atrocities does absolutely nothing to justify Russian ones, what the Germans did isn’t really the point There isn’t really a point in bringing up other atrocities unless you’re trying to somehow justify it with whataboutism
People from former communist states: “It was horrible, my family was sent to gulags and there was rampant famine.” 14 year old blue haired twitter/reddit socialists: “UHM, AKTUALY, CAPITALISM BAD!”
I mean, let's be honest, the Stalin era style of socialism was just red coloured fascism. Same personality cult, same brutality. Just without an organised genocide but instead a great purge among the population. Oh wait, that's just genocide with extra steps.
why is there so much "but the nazis" in the replies? you know there can be more than one bad guy right? and they can hate eachother and team up with the "goodguys" to take down the other, shit happens all the time in tv shows why is it so unreal to think it happens irl?
Whataboutism. An attempt to derail the conversation. A very commonly whipped out logical fallacy when there's discussions/criticism going on about Soviet Union and/or Russia.
Can't stand the people trying to justify all the atrocities committed towards civilians and pows with the "revenge" card, what a poor mindset ngl, i've seen many comments in a lot of videos about this topic justifying war crimes with that argument, like wtf, how is it okay to slaughter civilians? And they even call you fascist when you disagree with them
The Germans still do this. Lübeck they still say "It was bombed in retaliation for the bombing of Coventry." F..king BS. It was bombed because it was on a river and on a moonlit night the newly trained RAF navigators might just be able to find it. The grandson of an intelligence officer (Photographer) has all the details, including, he claims, before and after photos his grandfather was supposed to burn at the end of the war. The British didn't do revenge it is too expensive in men and material a waste of time.
Same reason they didn't bomb rail lines to camps ... the best way to end the killings was to end the war. Every effort had to be put into winning as quickly as possible but with being reckless.
Churchill himself caused Bengal famine which caused 3 milion of deaths and during his youth Churchill participated on Boer Wars where British invented World first concentration camps. Britain waged on Boers war of annihilation.
2 of my favourite war stories are about a few Finns simo haya the greatest sniper ever and a man called aimo who took his entire units ration of pervertin before having his ammo taken off him who spend the next 2 weeks on the worst trip in human history skied through a Russian camp at full speed then got into a death battle with a wolverine only to come to and realise he was punching a tree 😂
500k😂? The offical number of soviet deaths in the winterwar was 126875-167976 and that number came from khrushchev who wanted to destroy the stalincult, most historyans estimate 53k-68k soviets died in that war
@@Johno1992ivan sidorenko,vassili kvachantiradze and vladimir salbijev had all more kills than simo and the more u read about simo u understand he was propaganda and hes real killcount is estimated of around 200
@@schokobar4133 Yes, that was in the winter war. But you are aware of the continuation war (1941-44)? That's where the rest of the casualties come from.
yeah but they weren't only ever victims of those 2 regimes, there were also poles who comited atrocities on behalf of those regimes, there were poles who participated in nazi massacres of jews and when germany was vanquished there were poles who participated in soviet atrocities on german civilians
My mum told me that when she went to school in Poland in the 80’s the teachers would always tell them that the Soviets were worse than the Nazis. She also told me that my great grandad was captured, tortured and sent to a Gulag for being a soldier of the Polish army or a “rebel” against the USSR, but in 1941 he was sent to defend Moscow even though he was not in a condition to fight
Feel sorry man. But knowing how soviets were, he would die anyways... if were wounded during battles, you were just left to die or be captured by Germans, if they made it so far. There is no human in anyone who wears a red star. If he was worn out in Gulag and couldn’t work no more, he would be killed. Once you got captured by Commies, you would never see your home or family again. So I really don’t see why Nazis are the most hated when Russia was not better... Well the winner gets to tell the “truth” I’m afraid... :(
@@privateerbouncher9622 Yeah exactly he considered himself lucky to be able to fight the war because others in the Gulags weren’t so lucky. 100%, the Nazi’s do the Holocaust and the Soviets do the Holomdor and countless genocides against Poles, Lithuanians, Ukrainians and many more. Also the fact that they raped countless defenceless under the excuse that they liberated them shows they weren’t any better than the Nazis. I guess you are right the winner writes history!!
@Spicyleaves Yes thats what I thought when my mum told me, like wouldn’t they have informants within the Polish educational system to make sure that that Poles were being taught what the Soviets wanted them to be taught. But after a while I realised that they were able to openly criticise the USSR because in the 80’s due to political and economical changes in the USSR especially after Gorbachev came into power the USSR’s grip over Poland loosened and wasn’t as strong as it was in the 60’s for example
@Spicyleaves In the 80s, the Polish people were finally starting to stand up in larger numbers against the communist system, so it makes sense that people felt they could speak out against the government, even if it could still get them punished.
Quite unfair to say the Soviets were worse than the Nazis ! Should Germany have won the war, Poland would not exist and the Polish people would have been exterminated or being enslaved for the needs of german industry and agriculture
From estonia here,every so often i hear people talking about how theire granddas/grandmoms were sent to siberia,and how it looked like,no toilets so people had to relive themselfs somewhere in the wagon,and people who died on the way stayed in there till the destination Also edit: Solviets recruiting civilians is also talked about here,sometimes it would be just estonians fighting estonians just under diffrent flag
I just received a package from Estonia today, probably the first time I ever ordered something from a company in Estonia. Just kinda strange that Estonia keeps showing up around me all of a sudden.
I remember the horrifying words I heard from the surviving German civilians many years later: "every woman in Germany in the areas invaded by the Soviets was raped at least once, but many were raped several types, and many until death, including children". And I have seen too many photos that absolutely corroborates that truth. That was literally MILLIONS of women and it was purely done out of savage revenge.
I can understand the Soviets being brutal to enemy german soldiers in battle, but torturing civilians is absolutely unacceptable and inexcusable. I mean, it's not like the Soviets were the only ones guilty of that in history, but still, they deserve nothing but condemnation for it.
And after the war, they drove off and starved the German speaking population in nowadays Poland, there is a term for the children trying to survive this. Wolf's children. They then deported Ukrainians to the areas they had emptied. There are still many old people in Germany that fled from these areas. And then they installed a communist dictatorship over all the territory they 'liberated'.
Unfortunately THE FRONT, deleted the comment that had links to some films about Germans in Russia. I guess he just doesn’t want to spoil the mood. Here’s the link, viewer discretion advised m.ruclips.net/video/0oNt9VB6xtk/видео.html m.ruclips.net/video/zyuBF8tILK4/видео.html
My father was a WWII US Army Vet. He severed in Africa and the European theaters. My father never spoke of the War. In the 60's my father took us to see the movie "The Battle of the Bulge" As we walked out of the movie, I remember telling my Father that the Germans were wrong for shooting American soldiers at Malmedy. As my father lite his cigarette, he looked at me and said, "We did the same thing." He said, "There were times we was deep in the front-lines, and you'd take German Prisoners." You didn't have enough men to escort them back and you couldn't let them go. So he was given orders to shoot them.......I never looked at my Father the same way after that. I was 12 years old.
ага а потом какой нибудь солженицын напишет правду что твой отец насиловал и убивал и убил 300 миллионов насиления планеты.! Это сущая правда я тебе говрю враги америки мне рассказали эту правду, что ты любишь насиловать детей.! в 12 ты отворачивал головы кошкам, твои соседи сказали.! Это правда что не веришь.? Эти людям ни кто не платил, они предатели и враги н оони точн оне врали.! Это сущая правда.! =В А твой батя скрыл то что потом трупы этих пленных он так же насиловал у меня есть источник который это говрил, но он уже умер и не может предоставить те данные, но это правда, верь мне.! В другое же вы верите.
Nothing wrong with killing Nazis. Remember they started that war and killed civilian women, children old people and the handicapped for no reason. They were lucky we didn't kill them all. Whatever the Soviets did to the Germans was justice. Of course Stalin murdered more Russians than Hitler did. He was as bad as Hitler.
@@matthewdunham1689 No, that's wrong. It's one thing to understand why US troops killed Nazi POWs, or understanding why they bombed German societies to the ground. But justifying it entirely is wrong. It should not be seen so lightheartedly, but be seen as at best a necessary evil to end the war quicker. We justify everything against an evil regime and we become an evil regime ourselves. The USSR's atrocities were often done without an eye to ending the war quicker; which makes their atrocities even more cruel. We MUST hold ourselves up to a higher standard.
I went to an engineering school next to an art school, and we often shared dining areas. The amount of art students I saw wearing pro communist/soviet union t shirts, pins, etc disgusted me. I saw large group of them yell at a student from our school wearing a MAGA hat, calling him a fascist, sexist, etc. Two of the people yelling were wearing that "Welcome to the Communist Party" t shirt which, if you haven't seen it, depicts Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Mao, etc wearing lamp shades on their heads and raising red solo cups. The level of cognitive dissonance on display was staggering.
@@mortarriding3913 Art students are not hisotry students.... And history students can very well be victims of propaganda when the teacher is a communist.
My grandmother never saw her family ever again in Estonia and we dont know what happened to them because we don't know their number issued to them by the Soviet's. She was left with no choice to flee the country. She ended up working for the U.S. army in Germany then made her way to Australia. Here she worked in factories in South Australia for a while before being given an empty patch of land out side sydney that she turned into a poultry farm from some chickens donated by a local.
Why We Fight: Battle of Russia (1944 US documentary) German war crimes against Soviet citizens 8:40 - vandalism 9:50 - mass murder 10:45 - children 10:52 -child rape ruclips.net/video/LKgciQ0FRNY/видео.html
Neither do capitalist regimes. For example Great Britain never answered for Bengal famine which was genocide. Or USA for nuclear testing on humans in Bikini Atoll.
Why We Fight: Battle of Russia (1944 US documentary) German war crimes against Soviet citizens 8:40 - vandalism 9:50 - mass murder 10:45 - children 10:52 -child rape ruclips.net/video/LKgciQ0FRNY/видео.html
My grandparents were deported from Poland. All my grandmother got was a medal for surviving with two of three children. She was sent from Siberia to Iran to Africa for the whole of WWII My grandfather was made to got fight with the army
I'm so glad my family left Germany when they did, they either would've been forced to go along with Nazi ideology, butchered by the Soviet forces, or both.
And the US had things like nazi pedophile colony to outsource torturing (aka. colonia dignidad). There were no "good guys" in the world wars, or in the cold war, or in any war.
@@martonlerant5672 Even just granting that, how many people actually approve of Nazi pedophilia island? Because right now in the last 4 months across the western world, there have been thousands of people rioting, tearing down statues, burning down neighborhoods and physically assaulting or outright trying to kill people all while calling each other Comrade, waving Soviet flags, and self proclaiming to be marxist, socialist, and communists.
Anecdote from Australian Paramedic (Ambulance): 15 years ago I took a Russian survivor of Stalingrad to hospital. The very next tasking was a German survivor of Stalingrad to same hospital. They were side by side in the ED celebrating their surviving Stalingrad & emigrating to Australia - both were condemning Hitler & Stalin ... Stalin won. (The worst.)
@@MrWolffighters thats 5000 survivors of the 91,000 taken prisoner at the END of the battle. Remember up until the Soviet’s storming of the german airfields within the pocket at Stalingrad during the battle wounded were flown out each time a plane departed. Many thousands of lucky soldiers got to leave before the battle was over.
Interestingly, my wife and son and I went to Volgograd and visited many of the famous sites there. We asked our guide about the losses of Germans after the surrender. According to our guide, the reason for the mass losses of Germans was “stomach problems”. He insisted they were well looked after as best as they could but many had “stomach problems”. Just smile and wave boys, smile and wave. This was 2018 as well.
He probably meant that the Germans were malnourished due to the long encirclement and the lack of food in the city. One of the biggest factors why a lot of them died right after surrender.
you should realise that SPECIFICALLY in volgograd (unlike other cities) people ate rats and dogs to survive. So no wonder POWs died from malnourishement. Although in other concentration camps reasons were different.
Yeah but dont forget firebombing civilans and two nuclear strikes on innocent peoples. Yeah communists commited crimes, but others do it too. And dont forget what germans do to their families. Soo i dont think is a big warcrime after all that germans did. And all soldiers must know, when you invade and kill innocent people, you probably die in horrific death and noone protect you, and when soldiers who lost their families because of you. Come to your families. They probably kill them too. So i think red army was actually not so harsh.
@@Denis-ww4nt Accomplished citizen of the New World Order. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved the entire Japanese nation in the long run. Millions of Japanese civilians and military would have perished in a land invasion of the Home Islands. Japan would have been a broken country, possibly divided with the north under the boot heel of Soviet occupation. Instead, today, it is a prosperous and established democracy. I won't even add in the toll on Allied military lives of such an invasion, for your benefit. All Western democracies apparently aren't worthy in your eyes.
@@anthonylegore1517 Yeah indians would have perished too, Now its prosperous lands. You can talk about your fantasies all day. But killing 80 000 civilians in one day and many more after, because of radiation. And covering this by words like 'possibly' and 'saved entire nation'. Is good example of brainwashed man.
My grandfather worked on the rocket project. When all members of the rocket project needed to join the SS he refused and was sent to be a soldier in the Crimean. He was often offered promotion which he refused. When he was captured in 1944 by the Russians the first thing they did was ask all the officers to come forward and then machine gunned them. They then put the prisoners into cattle trucks and drove to their destination. Every stop a few people would have died, so the officers went to make up the numbers in the local village. So by the time they reached their destination a significant number of prisoners were Russian. My grandfather was released shortly after the United States legally ended their state of war with Germany 1951. By this time he was a shadow of his former self. When he came home was hunched and all bent over. For the first six months his skin came out in huge boils as his body detoxified. His one lung needed to be collapsed due to TB. It was many years until he could pass a trash bin and not look for scraps. He was an invalid and for many years could not work. I spent time with him in the nineties. He was always thankful that he never took a promotion to officer and talked fondly of his experiences as a soldier in the Crimean. One of his favorite stories was how he met a local in a graveyard and discussed the fate of the Crimean Goths with him. He never had bitterness about his experiences in Russia, was bitter towards the German political leadership, and never got over the death of his wife in the eighties.
I hope THE FRONT does a video about the punishments that the NSDAP would mete out to conscientious Germans like your grandpa. Their punishments were pure malevolence, like what they did to Max Schmeling for refusing to renounce his Jewish boxing coach. Sending a giant of a man like that to be a paratrooper over Crete. Pure evil...the brownshirt bureaucrats knew how to stick it to you.
The Soviets were so bad, that even captured Soviet POW's preferred jumping to their deaths rather than returning to the Soviet Union to face the gulags or executions after the war ended.
@@AaSs-ln9mm Myth? When the soviets could free some of the soviet pows in the battle of Berlin, they gave them a rifle and put em in First line for the next Attack. Well, the first line never survived the mg42.
My grandmother told me a story she heard from her mother. When she was younger that Russian soldiers come to their village and went into their nabours house. The next morning they didn't see their nabours and the Russians had left. So her father went to check on them. Thus finding the whole family father,mother, 2 boys and daughter nails with their hands into the dinner table with their throats cut.
Did your grandmother tell you that Germans were so evil that they tortured and gassed millions of small children and babies? I wish that was false but it is not. Germans were monsters much worse than Russians.
Sounds like just another anti soviet propaganda. Just like polish people claim how Soviet soldiers raped their family front of them and tortured them without any source other than how their family told them
communism is not about red army and russia its not even about nations communism is about equality and classes i think people in the west specially have gained from communism like 8 hours shift good pay education healthcare because in tsar russia the poor had nothing from it and they worked all day for a piece of bread with the church blessing so they revolted because they had nothing to loose
7% dislike ratio??, 1000 people thought pointing out the atrocities of the soviet union is bad, hmmmmmmmm......., I wonder if this like to dislike bar would look different if the video was about some non communist country atrocities.
In this video, though, it's the cruelty of individuals (like Stalin) and the cruelty of war (in any context) that caused this. It can't just be one ideology that caused all of this pain...
@Caleb and kitty’s Western propaganda works well... It's amazing how you managed to rewrite history in 80 years. But the fact remains - the Nazis were much worse
As an estonian, Ive heard stories how my relatives farms, land, houses and even apartments were taken away by the Soviets. Also there was one instance, where my distant relatives were executed in 1944 just because in their own home, they fed estonians wearing German army uniforms, few months before operation Bagration (a neighbor told the Soviet political officer most likely)
@@shadow50011 comment seemed to have a jokey tone could but wrong but i do feel like it was a joke that didnt come out well online not something to joke about but sometimes humour can lighten the mood.
I'll never understand how people can disregard such well-documented atrocities. Ideological horrors have never been exclusive to any singular group, though I guess it's convenient to pretend otherwise. We should all realize how easy it would be for any of us under different circumstances to be carrying out these horrific acts and feel completely justified. Something to consider, regardless of what your beliefs are.
i'll ask you too then. you seem to understand what "historical document" means. these atrocities being well documented, it will be easy for you to provide those documents, right? i'm humbly asking you to do so.
@Dwarov 1 With a name like that you think I am Polish, hahahah. That is probably why you can easily dismiss all the deeds from the SU and talk down on people the SU supressed for close to 40 years. I am sure the Poles have not forgotten about Kathyn. The bodies were real and shot with Walther pistols but not by Nazi scum but Soviet NKVD
You’re both under the influence of your own sources. The only credible ones are the stories and experiences of people who suffered it that time (sadly most of the survivors probably died of old age already)
@@JohnSmith-lf4be we celebrate in memory of soldiers that fought in Wermacht for freedom that was promised. When we celebrate for the same Soviet soldiers, it's all cool.
@@Chadhogan111 Well yes, the Estonians readily helped German occupiers root out Jews, Communists, ethnic Russians etc. This happened in a lot of Eastern European countries (see Ukraine) and they would all regret it after the Soviets returned and dispensed justice. And not the faux, cringe justice that the West liked at that period, the good aul line em up against a wall kinda justice.
Why are you sorry? I am German and i can tell you that you and me we both have nothing to do with what our ancestors did of course we feel a little guilty but we have to get over it we can't change the past but we can make sure that something like that will never happen again
@@soundwavesuperior7205 Shitstalin blocked the allies from aiding the polish uprising against the Germans to capitalize on a even more weak Poland. There is a Sabaton Song about that uprising BTW.
@@soundwavesuperior7205 - I've seen this mentioned in several reputable history books. The Red Army was at the banks of the Vistula River, just beyond Warsaw. The Poles rose up against the Germans, thinking their fellow Slavs were going to come to their aid and trounce the Germans but the Red Army stayed where it was until the Polish fighters in the uprising had been destroyed, along with 90% of Warsaw. Stalin had already endorsed a group of Polish Communists and wanted the fighters in the Warsaw Uprising to be defeated because they were anti-Communist. Stalin wanted his group of Polish Communists to dominate the post-war Polish government.
More atrocities by the Soviets? How about the fact that they killed virtually all of the Soviet soldiers that had been captured by Germany and its allies? As I understand it, about 1.5 million Soviet soldiers were still alive in German captivity by the end of the war. Stalin insisted that they all needed to be repatriated to the Soviet Union, even though many of the soldiers themselves protested. Churchill was sure they'd be killed because he knew Stalin was massively paranoid and that he believed soldiers who had been in German captivity, even very briefly, had been "turned" into pro-German, anti-Soviet individuals who couldn't be trusted. Churchill wasn't able to persuade Roosevelt to refuse to give up the Soviet captives and they were duly repatriated to the USSR. The vast majority of them were indeed executed by the Soviets.
Yet Churchill & Roosevelt eagerly got into bed with this beast they affectionally called "Uncle Joe" even after he murdered >8M people, and spewed propaganda to their nations about our "ally" to make the world safe for him for another decade of his wretched life...willing accomplices to ultimate evil
@@BeezyNgeezY-ul1nu No. Actually, Stalin personally ordered Red Army officers to not commit atrocities and kill German civilians. However, many disobeyed this and still did it after what had happened to their country in revenge. Which also isn’t justified.
wRiTiNg iT liKE thIS dOeSnT mAkE iT iNVaLid aRguMenT. you saying it's naive to think that those atrocities wouldn't happen if nazis didn't start the war? at least soviets didn't have a plan to extinct all the germans.
I'd say it's safe to assume many modern day communists dislike the soviet union. On the other hand many downplay the tragedies while some seem to just hand wave it as "western propaganda" or some bs like that. Though to be fair a lot of these atrocities don't really adhere to any communist ideology.
Thank you for this video. It is extremely important that Soviet war crimes and the depravity of Stalin and the Red Army are exposed and condemed just as much those of Hitler and Nazi Germany are. It’s just sad how all of the communist sympathizers suddenly come out of the woodwork on a video like this with some variation of “But, the Nazis!” as if that’s somehow a reason we *shouldn’t* expose the depravities of Stalin and the Red Army. One can condemn the atrocities of Nazi Germany and can, and should, also condemn the atrocities of the Soviet Union. It’s rather distressing that I even need to say that, but it seems thats the times we’re living in.
Its still infinetly better than in early 2000s or even early 2010s. If back then you said anything about soviet crimes, you were not only attacked by russian hordes, but also laughed out by westeners. Nowadays it finally starts to click with people just how bad soviets really were. Not saying we are in "good" territory just yet in terms of this knowledge, but lot better
What world do you people live in ? One that the cold war didn't exist ? The crimes of the Soviets were exposed extensively over the last 7 decades to western audience's.
same problem different name. National Socialists or Communist Socialists. One has a destructive race theory and the other a theory that destroys all who dare think differently. both controlled all assests and peoples lives
@@Meelis13 it will never really click as long as westerners walk around with Che and Mao gear. They do not want to know and when they hear it, it will all be the fault of capitalists who did not allow them to build their socialist paradises in peace.
One of the most common defense from Soviet fanboys is that soldiers were taking a revenge on Germany, which might have given them some legitimate moral basis if they haven't been antagonising their allies too. Milovan Djilas' memoir on Stalin actually talked about how the Yugoslavian leadership was shocked by the large amount of atrocities commited by Soviet troops crossing their territory, and even more so by the rude and arrogant responses from the USSR. From formal protest against "blatant defamation of the Red Army" to justifications that "it's only understandable for a soldier who fought across thousands of miles to take some prizes or have some fun with ladies". Given Djilas' personal grudge against the USSR, some descriptions should be taken with a grain of salt, but I still recommend reading the whole book to have a perspective on the Red Army's discipline issue. Another immediate example I can think of is Manchuria. When Soviet troops entered northeast China, the sheer amount of raping and sacking pumped out by these 'liberators' was comparable to an actual invasion, some were even bold enough to murder a Chinese general. Local Chinese communist forces were pushed to the limits and informed Stalin that they would enforce shoot-to-kill policy on any soviet troops commiting atrocities. Ask any old folk from that region and they will tell you how Russians were still fiercely hated till this day and why any other factions, even Japanese seemed like a preferable alternative.
Why do u make things now up? Which chinise generell did the soviets kill? And all the things u claim came from british and amarican reports and not a single chinise one and the japanse will be preferable than rather the russians? Get help, the majority of axis civilians deaths goes to the amaricans and brits
What the Soviets did to the ethnic groups throughout 'Their' lands during and shortly after this time is just as horrific. I lived among the survivors of one such group while I stayed in the USSR for a few months. They talked about how there used to be 4.5-5 million of their people before WW2. How the Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of them, mostly through forced labour. Once the Soviets recaptured the area, they saw them as collaborators. Eventhough they had been forced to work at rifle point they were told they should have died before serving the Nazis as slaves. In the end the Soviets took their farms and herds away from them and put most of them into large heavy labour Gulags, where most of them starved. By the late 1950's their population had been cut to about 1.5 million. The Soviets may have taken longer to kill groups of people, but in the end they killed just as many, maybe more.
@@justinfilipovic8939 Eh, there are many. We can start with the starvation of the Ukranians in the 20s. Literally millions of Ukranian peasants were stared to death by having all of their grown food confiscated. There were even stories of parents having to kill one of their kids, especially the very young, to feed them to their older kids, so at leaat they would survive. The horror that communists are capable of, is incomprehensible in the West, and that is why we have a wave of this neo-communism here. Most ppl just don't get it.
Well what stalin said is that if u surrender to germans or even help them you lose your civilship as a russian... you are no longer russian .... but after the war stalin wanted every soviet to come back to russia wherever they were. lots of people who were pows in England didn`t wanna go back but they were forced to go, brits even killed some who didnt wanna go. Because Stalin had some british pows form the camps rescued and they thought what would happen with them if they didnt force russians to go back..... Most of them were sent to gulags or killed from kgb...
The answer to this mathematically is rather simple . Authoritarianism is dangerous irrespective of the ideology of the regime . No matter how perfect the ideology the sheer concentration of power to few minds greatly increases the risk of the fatal consequences of human error . The more distributed the power of governance the lesser the chances of human error .
@@Z020852 Who cares what the left and the right think if they are both authoritarian a**holes. Libertarian, Anarchy or Anarcho-Capitalism are the only respectable positions that currently exist.
It depends on it’s purpose if it’s to untie and rescue a country because there is no other way. Ataturk as an example shows that it’s not all bad. then there are reactionaries like hitler and Mussolini then extreme radicals like Trotskyist’s and Stalinist’s. It mainly depends on the strength of the leader willpower to hold back and their dreams for their nation
@@knyaz7500 They simply weren't. People like you keep throwing around those accusations, but you don't cave any facts to back this statement up. The Nazis were in every way much MUCH worse than the USSR. The mere fact that the people in Eastern Europe still exist proves this
There were german war heroes to. The ones which defended Eastprussia and Berlin in a useless fight to the end, in order to allow as many civilians as possible to escape to the western allies.
@Max Povetkin 27 million might be a low figure, Some put it over 40 million. But Soviet loses would have been less if the leadership would have treated it's soldiers with respect. They didn't and treated their own men as expendable meat sacks. Human waves against machine guns never works... yet the soviets did it time and time again. Terrible. I have read over a dozen books on the German-Soviet front conflict and in all of them I see not only soviet incompetence but a appalling disregard for human life... their own PEOPLE! I am not excusing the Germans by the way. The Nazi's set out to annihilate the Slavs and take their land, there is no doubt about it. The German-Soviet war is fascinating in that both sides are completely evil with some heroic individual on both sides.
My grandfather born in 1920s was a partisan and a huge fighter against russian regime throughout his life. He has changed his identity to escape russians, so i dont know any real personal details about him - name or date of birth. He's also lived in forests together with other forest brothers. When he died, i got his violin and accordion, together with music sheets. He was a musician too, after Lithuania regained independency, he performed folk music in some TV shows. All songs i read was about the homeland, patriotism, freedom, and basic important things like love. I also checked his book library and i was amazed on volumes upon volumes of partisans notes and other similar books. Literally, notes of other partisans - perhaps the ones he had to bury himself. And there were similar books about ww2 and nazi/russian crimes. I remember reading one story which sounds like thousands of other stories written there. It was about a village and about an occupant army isolating the people in it. In short, everyone who was still alive after a few moments, was raped and burnt alive in church. By saying everyone i mean little babies and old grandgrandparents were raped too. People used to cycle to nearby villages and towns, some cyclists accidently showed up following the smoke and witnessing the massacre, they were chased, shot, or thrown into the fire too. One of cyclists was an ordinary post delivery guy. Some children who were maybe playing in forests, hearing the screams and shots got back to the village. Raped and murdered. And this was happening village to village, repeatidly, wherever the occupant goes. My grandfather was a man of few words. I remember once asking him what does he remember about the war and what can he tell about. He thought about it for a second, looked straight at me and said: "digging mass graves and burying people i knew".
Nobody in the wars was without fault. Yes Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany committed unspeakably atrocities, but saying the allies where without fault is kinda just a little not true.
Why We Fight: Battle of Russia (1944 US documentary) German war crimes against Soviet citizens 8:40 - vandalism 9:50 - mass murder 10:45 - children 10:52 -child rape ruclips.net/video/LKgciQ0FRNY/видео.html
@@evawind sounds like Beria’s NKVD boys up to no good in stolen German uniforms. They had a knack for doing this and brutalizing the same populations they terrorized earlier in the 30s. The NKVD makes the SS look like Boy Scouts.
I'm seeing a lot more anti-communist shit posting than tanky stuff. Some of the anti-communist claims are based upon bad scholarship, like Anthony Beevor. Have you noticed how much they are vomiting up cannards - they are even quoting a fictional character from the Call Of Duty franchise. Don't confuse opposing such shitposting for Tankyies.
@@JohnSmith-ft4gc haha that is hilarious. No trust me I know when its a tankies they always the things. Like its comical. The.holodimor is Nazi propaganda or sure but they just famines what wad Mao or Stalin supposed to do? I hate democracy. I am proud to be authoritarian. The state wont fall to revolution it will only magically wither away.
@@existentialanarchism4877 "I am proud to be authoritarian. The state wont fall to revolution it will only magically wither away." I don't get your 2nd sentence. By itself, it could be interpreted as Anarchist, yet your 1st sentence excludes that interpretation. Can you expand on your stance of authoritarian vs Tankies? Personally, I tolerate Command Heirarchy, with some limitations to prevent it getting out of hand. You could have a mobile standing army dependent upon supply of anarchist collectives & an Anarchist Staff supporting the heirarchical staff, together with the power to arrest the commander. Hard to mount a coup that way. The only concession the communist societ would need to make to the military would be manufacturing war materiel to specificaiton. Comrades can be rotated in & out military heirarchy for developing the combat readyness of the population.
Honestly (especially here in the US), people tends to focus on Soviet war crimes and downplay nazi war crimes and crimes against humanity. Imo people should remember both the horrors of them, including our own as well.
One of the many terrible atrocities was the amount of people who starved to death in the ussr as well but great job on the video I believe to much is blamed on Germany as if they were the sole bad guy and FDRs policies concerning Russia and Stalin were unbelievably shameful at best. Thank you for your efforts to preserve history
@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030 Tell that to millions of "inferior" people lives snuffed out in Nazi gas chambers. You can't even compare the two, on fundamental level. One was a tyrannical regime. The other was the ultimate evil against humanity.
this is all an exaggeration or outright lie, created to discredit the image of the liberator of Eastern Europe and expose all the Peoples of the USSR at the present time as barbarians and beasts no better than the Nazis.
The Soviets were the ones responsible for it, not the Germans. And it was not even in Poland. In fact the Soviets blamed the Germans for it and denied the killings of the Poles until they admitted the massacre in 1990. How stupid are you???
Meanwhile Hitler is forbidden on the internet, while USSR and Stalin are somewhat a meme today and treated like nothing ever happened. I'm happy to see someone is speaking about this topic loud since western europe has never experienced atrocities of USSR and Stalin
You could also say that Western Europe have never experienced a invasion as brutal as the ussr did. I think it is easy to judge when not in that position, you know *undoubtedly they are still awful atrocities* but easy to put blame when people have also little emotional connection to 1945 and deaths are just figures in 2021 but in 45 are real people
It’s extremely important to highlight these atrocities because now more than ever before among the youth the soviets have excuses made for them, and they are idolized.
Like collaborating with Nazi Germany in 1938, and helping it rip apart Czechoslovakia and annexing Czech's Tesen region? Sure. Sufferring similar fate just a year later sounds like karma.
@@tees9651 why do we keep bringing up the matter with Czechoslovakia? Let me think. Maybe because by Britain and France signing Munich Pact with Hitler and allowing him rip apart Chechoslovakia, seize control over it's huge military industry, and build thousands of tanks on czech's Skoda and Tatra factories (later used by Germans in an upcoming big war), has made World War 2 inevitable?! And guess what? Poland was Hitler's ally back then, and even took part in tearing apart Czechoslovakia, by annexing czech's Tesen region! Is this what you refer to as "peaceful process"? At this point the beginning of World War 2 was just a matter of time! Mind you, all this took place in 1938, a year BEFORE Molotov-Ribbentrop pact! USSR was THE LAST one to sign a pact with Nazi Germany, AFTER many other countries (Britain. France, Italy, Littuania, etc) have signed similar pacts with them (Poland being the FIRST one back in 1934, google Hitler-Pilsudsky pact). And yeah, this narration may only be read in Russia, because some other countries don't like to talk about it too much, lol I do realize that it is convenient for you to keep thinking Germany and USSR were the only two bad guys in that big game, and the rest of countries were white and innocent, but unfortunately, the reality is more complicated, and there were many players in it. Poland is as guilty at taking part in starting WW2 as others! And yes, I'm sure Stalin did sent Hitler birthday wishes before beginning of WW2, just like the rest of European politicians did! It is called diplomatic ethics, duuh!
@@antona.4572 Oh dear, you should really educate yourself on the history of events you're spitting nonsense about. Tesen was an inherently Polish region, where Poles constituted the large majority of inhabitants. This area was invaded by Czechslovakia in 1919 before its affilliation could be decided diplomatically at the Paris Peace Conference. The Polish government proposed that a plebiscite would be organised in Tessen to decide its future but the Czechs declined it knowing that the majority of its population would decide to join Poland so they waited until Poland, who was fighting a war with the Bolsheviks at the time, was severely weakened to exploit Poland's difficult situation. They exploited the fact that there were hundreds of thousands of Soviet troops advancing at Warsaw and proposed to the Western Powers that in exchange for giving Tesen to Czechoslovakia, the Czechoslovak government would allow military equipment, which was crucial to the Poles, to pass through their territory. The Polish government agreed to this outrageous proposition because it had no other choice - without this military equipment there would have been no Polish state anymore at all as we would most likely have lost to the Soviets. In the interwar period, the Polish majority was persecuted and discriminated against by the Czechoslovaks - Poles were not allowed in the public administration, Polish schools were closed down and Polish culture was repressed by the Czechoslovaks. That's why in 1938, after the Munich Conference, in which Poland did not take part and had no influence on the decisions that were made there, Poland decided to finally take back what was ours and we gave Czechoslovakia an ultimatum that they accepted. The decision on which areas would be incorporated back into Poland was made based on ethnicity as some territories were swapped with Czechslovakia to ensure that only Polish land would be taken. As a result, out of the 218,000 inhabitants of imcorporated Tesen, approximately 200,000 were Poles - that's over 90%! It doesn't matter whether Poland would have or would not have taken back its territory in 1938, Czechslovakia would still have fallen into the German sphere of influence and H*tler would still have begun his expansion. The fate of Czechoslovakia was already decided prior to us retrieving Tesen - Poland had absolutely zero influence over the outcome of the Munich Conference. What we did was exploit the temporary weakness of Czechoslovakia - the same thing they did to us in 1919 so you stating that Poland was an ally of H*tler and contributed to the outbreak of the second world war is historical nonsense that has become a centerpiece of Russian anti-Polish propaganda. I advice that you read a bit about the treatment of Poles under Czechoslovak rule between 1919 and 1938 and tell me whether all those people deserved to be stripped of their dignity and national identity. Lastly, I think it was the Czechoslovak government that tasted karma in 1938 when they got precisely what they deserved ;)
@@bartoszczech1182 thank you for the insight, I didn't know about Tesen region. I do realize that Poland was trying to get their lands back, (even though it did annex some of western Belarus lands after attacking Soviet Russia in 1918-21, exploiting the fact the Russia was torn apart by it's own civil war), and even to day, some of Polish lands (Lemberg/Lvov and Halycia) are still a part of Ukraine. But in general, Munich Pact signed with Hitler by Britain and France in 1938, which has allowed Nazi Germany seize Czechoslovakia and obtain large amounts of weapons and military equipment from Czechs' factories and supplies for an upcoming big war, has untied Hitler' hands and made WW2 inevitable. Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, signed a year later, which was later extensively used by anti-Soviet, and later, anti-Russian propaganda, already had no influence on further development of events, and was USSR's last (and unsuccessful) attempt to secure it's back (just like Munich pact for Britain and France was a year before). BTW, the situation with Tesen region you described, very much reminds me of situation with Crimea, where the population of the region - against their will - has ended up under the jurisdiction of another state, hostile to their language and culture, and the government of the state would strongly oppose conducting a referendum in the region, because it knew the region population would vote for returning under the jurisdiction of their home land. Sounds familiar?
@@antona.4572 1. The Munich Conference was a conclusion of the policy of Appeasement that failed miserably and instead of preventing Germany from expanding it helped Hitler fulfill his goals and only France and Great Britain can be blamed for it. 2. Poland didn't take any land from the Russians. After the sigining of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and the following loss of the First World War by Germany, the entire territory of today's Belarus and Ukraine was a no-man's land so it was only natural for the newly reborn Polish state to expand to the east and regain ethinicaly Polish territories that were lost over a century earlier. At the same time, the Bolsheviks decided to spread the communist revolution to the west and eventually both sides met "in the middle" and a war began that concluded in the Treaty of Riga which wasn't quite satisfactory for Poland as hundreds of thousands of Poles remained in territories controlled by the USSR (These people were later exterminated by the Russians during the "Polish Action" of NKVD) 3. The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact changed literally everything because it created an official alliance between Germany and USSR and included details of how Poland would be divided between the two. It was also the backbone of the later cooperation of Germans and the Soviets in the extermination of Polish intelligentsia in occupied territories. So from the Polish perspective the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was important as hell. 4. Yeah, those two cases definitely have similarities but they are not 100% the same as the historical and political background is quite different.
What disgust me is that at school they always tell you that the liberating-troops were kinda like heroes, where everyone was happy and "brutality years" ended. Learning what actually happened makes it infinitely much worse since the r*ping and tortures continued until 1948-49. And the fact that they went away unpunished-... Disgusting.
you shouldnt bring attention about this because it diverts attention away from the real crime of the ww2 which is the holocaust. no one should care that other crimes happened when 6 million jews died
Im in yr 10 rn and in history we are about to move into the cold war and Russia in WW2. Im lithuanian, cannot wait to hear about how the same people who almost erased my culture and deported hundreds of thousands of us away to never be seen again, have somehow liberated me.
There are no differences between Nazi and Soviet atrocities. The fact that one murderous, totalitarian regime became our ally because they were invaded by another murderous, totalitarian regime doesn't absolve them of their guilt.
@@dddd-uk4vn I can't see how you could call any western country bad after watching this. I honestly feel like the wars during the Cold War were justified
They became an ally since the war was about Jews who declared war on Germany in 1935. The American wars in the middle east if also for the benefit of that racist tribe.
Before WW2, 176,000 Koreans in the Far East were deported to Central Asia and many gradually lost their culture. Additionally, tens of thousands of them died on the way. This was done for several reasons, including fears of them spying for Japan, as Korea was part of Japan at the time. They were caught in the middle. Kind of like Poland.
You should do a video about the war crimes committed by the allied powers. Obviously they aren’t to the extent or horror of the Nazis, Japanese or Soviets, but they still happened and don’t get talked about nearly enough
@@kittenmastermind660 Point is, people keep nailing these war crimes to idiology when most of the time it is always about racial hatred. Did they really thing when the ussr invaded Poland they didn't do any pillaging or raping because the Polish weren't nazis or when communist China invaded Vietnam they didn't do any pillaging and raping just because both are communist. The French probably did some too, it was mentioned in an American documentary I saw once
My grandfather lived in Lwow, when the soviets invaded he and his family were kidnapped and sent to a gulag. His two sisters both under the age of ten died on the trip there. He was forced to work at the age of 13. His family was one of the only ones to escape because he was recruited into the RAF and went to Iran. The rest either died in the camp or were forced onto the front line.
@Reena KT what is your problem? Are we going to be ignorant and continue to promote Cold War propaganda? It is important to remember mistakes in order to prevent them... But if the US and liberal politicians like to criticize the Soviet times, why don't they critisize themselves, then??? For example the genocide in a disguisting way on natives??? Why isn't that a reason to say that capitalism is bad, because many people were killed??
There's no end to this list, you've made a good start. The Soviet destruction of the historic buildings throughout Kiev during the summer of 1941 and their self-serving blaming of the Nazis ranks right up there among their many crimes.
Remember the Soviets started out the war as the allies of the Nazi. The only reason they wound up on the right side is the Nazi betrayed them, it wasn’t due to any action on the Soviets part.
F in history I guess? If the Soviets and Nazis were allies they would have conquered the entire world. They had an agreement that they would not attack each other. That did not make them allies. Your school system is trash.
@@Sleve_McDichael1 Yes. So what the US and the Soviet Union were allies as well and they hated each other too. Stalin thought he would eventually have to fight Germany. He wasn’t an idiot he read Mein Kampf he knew exactly what the Germans thought of Slavs and the Soviet Union. None of that stopped him from allying with Germany at the start of the war for their mutual benefit.
@matthewhuszarik4173 The U.S didn't call for the total extermination of the Slavic peoples, and the Non Aggression Pact was simply so that both of them can deal with other matters until they can actually fight eachother, "betrayal" was inevitable
One Czech politician who was interrogated by both communists and the Gestapo said “Yes the Germans tortured me, but they were interested just in things I knew, they didn’t want to hear lies. Once I gave them what they wanted, they stopped and I was not harmed any further. Communists wanted me to confess something I didn’t commit and they tortured me until I confessed to what they told me to, then they kept torturing me. Maybe as punishment for confessing to a treason or maybe just for sport.” That’s the rough translation and I think it sums up those regimes pretty well.
Bro don't you side with the Gestapo now
@@comradekenobi6908 Both regimes are monstrous in my mind. Soviets didn’t put people in gas chambers (on industrial scale). I ain’t taking sides I just think it’s interesting quote.
@@Alt-ot5sr ok comrade
@@comradekenobi6908 I ain’t communist either. I hate commies same as I hate nazies.
As terrible as the Soviets were, don’t ever side with the Nazis. Half of this stuff is post war propaganda made up so that the Nazis weren’t portrayed as bad, because they fought the “evil Soviets”
The fact that you can have a USSR flag hanging around without the same controversial nature as a swastika is beyond me.
That is true. I personally believe that the reason for this is because the Soviets and generally Communism did not harm the West. If you check the attrocities and the victims, aside from Germans, it was almost entirely Eastern Europeans, the Soviets themselves and also Asians (China, North Korea, Cambodia etc). The Western countries never really suffered from Communism directly, thats why they are more tolerable towards it. For me, they are equally bad and anyone who considers himself a "communist" should be ashamed of himself/herself.
In Poland you can sometimes find comparisons to the Red Star, as representing the Satanic pentagram, but that is mostly seen in wartime poetry or songs. (Due to the Soviet exterminating habits towards the clergy). There are also interesting comparisons made towards the Germans, as "Barbaric Neo-Pagan Germanic tribesmen".
Now it is equally restricted in Ukraine (swastika and sickle and hammer) before the war in 2013 we had communist party in the parliament but now it is banned.
The difference is that one side attempted to commit state sponsored genocide, and has its entire ideology built around that.
@@kitsune1594 Ukraine is god awful example, of course they hate communism, they were worse than the Nazis in terms of ideological racism.
"its not a warcrime if you win the war"
Sad truth.
Damn well.. America didn't win Vietnam so they committed a LOT of war crimes
@@Goldcat1850
They didn't lose either based on my current research.
They won, then abandoned the South Vietnamese when they were attacked later.
@@warrioroflight6872 no America lost NAM' you can't change this, as you said they pulled out when the south Vietnamese got attacked so the retreated and didn't return later so they LOST
@@Goldcat1850 from my research, there was a peace treaty in which North Vietnam and the US and South Vietnam signed, and then the US pulled out, after the US military pulled out, North Vietnam invaded the South again
I work with a guy named teddy from Poland. He has a family member that was born from the Red army rapes. The things he told me about turned my stomach.
Do not forget to say a special prayer tonight for the Red Army and its sacrifice to save ungrateful Poles.
"On 20 October 1939, Hitler told General Wilhelm Keitel that the war would be a difficult "racial struggle" and that the General Government was to "purify the Reich territory from Jews and Polacks, too."[58] Likewise, in October 1939, Nazi propaganda instructed Germans to view Poles, Jews, and Gypsies as Untermenschen.[59]"
"With the Polish decrees (8 March 1940), the Nazis ensured that the racial inferiority of the Poles was legally recognized in the German Reich, and regulated the working and living conditions of Polish laborers (Zivilarbeiter).[63]"
" In 1941, the Reich decided that within two decades, by the year 1961, Poland would have been emptied of Poles and re-populated with ethnic-German colonists from Bukovina, Eastern Galicia, and Volhynia.[100] The ruthless Germanisation Hitler required for Lebensraum was attested in the reports of Wehrbauer (soldier-peasant) colonists' assigned to ethnically cleansed Poland - of finding half-eaten meals at table and unmade beds in the houses given them by the Nazis.[101] Baltic Germans from Estonia and Latvia were evaluated for racial purity; those classified to the highest category, Ost-Falle, were resettled in the Eastern Wall.[102]"
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum
Why We Fight: Battle of Russia (1944 US documentary)
German war crimes against Soviet citizens
8:40 - vandalism
9:50 - mass murder
10:45 - children
10:52 -child rape
ruclips.net/video/LKgciQ0FRNY/видео.html
@@evawind To save ungrateful Poles? You mean the same people who got invaded by the Soviets and Nazis? The poles who had to lived through war crimes not once but twice from two different nations? Then years after the Poles lived through communist rule that was forced upon them by the country that pillage and raped them. Yeah and you call then ungrateful? 🙄
@@detroitandclevelandfan5503 On 22 August 1939, just before the invasion of Poland, Hitler gave explicit permission to his commanders to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language."[12][13]
Ethnic cleansing was to be conducted systematically against the Polish people. On 7 September 1939, Reinhard Heydrich stated that all Polish nobles, clergy, and Jews were to be killed.[14] On 12 September, Wilhelm Keitel added Poland's intelligentsia to the list. On 15 March 1940, SS chief Heinrich Himmler stated: "All Polish specialists will be exploited in our military-industrial complex. Later, all Poles will disappear from this world. It is imperative that the great German nation consider the elimination of all Polish people as its chief task."[15] At the end of 1940, Hitler confirmed the plan to liquidate "all leading elements in Poland".[14]
@@evawind Okay right good for you. You know what the Germans did and love to point the finger at them. You won't admit the Soviets crimes though. Tell you what why don't you watch this link? It is no American propaganda just a Soviet soldier telling how righteous they were.
ruclips.net/video/5Ywe5pFT928/видео.html
Communists: *That didn't happen, but they deserved it*
ok?
@@treeman12815 Do you not know how to read or something?
@@alexanderwigro7046 аджики фронт
@@treeman12815 i remember when i discovered google translate.
^Its a play on words. I chuckled.
*Communistic Screeching Intensifies*
Finally, communism destroyed.
Communist and Nazi are painted from the same brush.
@@ianfarr-wharton1000 From my understanding, in a lot of former Soviet block countries, there are legally the same.
@Monsieur Z Hey dude, Really like your videos
@@cp1cupcake They are.
There's a reason Axis troops fought to the bitter end and why so many refused to surrender even in hopeless situations.
And why so many went to the Americans and British to surrender
@@destroyerdeath5605 yep, surrendering to the soviets was certain death or a long life of labor
@@destroyerdeath5605 Germans treated Russian POWS much worse
@@d-4073.
Destroy half their country.
Surrender.
Go to gulag.
Why is it so hard to work in a ruined country?
I looked up the numbers on Wiki. Well. The Soviets captured 4 376 300 POWs. 3 956 300 (90%) of them eventually returned home.
Statistics on labor camps:
In total 3 486 206 POWs were there.
Survived 2 967 686 (85%).
Most died before 1946 because during the war the USSR could not take enough care about prisoners.
Many prisoners were paid for their work and even allowed to write letters home.
Btw this applies not only POWs but also to all gulag prisoners. When there is no war gulag is not as terrible as many people think.
@@chronicnightmare. What do you think?
There's a reason why most Germans during defeat preferred surrendering to American and/or Western forces. The Soviets were more brutal and unpunished by their officers
I think that had more to do with the fact that they knew about their own atrocities that they committed and their mass extermination of millions of soviet civilians. They knew their retribution for that wouldn't be light, and they were right.
@@yevgeniikisarauskas5085 Totalitarian regimes don't like to tell people about the wrongs they do. They do like to say what their enemies did wrong. Not every soldier committed warcrimes or would be aware of them. But they'd be informed about how bad surrendering would be.
@@yevgeniikisarauskas5085 Except they didn't kill millions of soviet civilians - thats what the reds did to their own population. Which I guess is reason enough to fear an enemy.
@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 the Germans didn't kill millions of soviet citizens? Lol what
@@vgrepairs Well, Red Army, NKVD and Gulags along with disastrous economic policies killed more Soviet Citizens than Nazi Germany.
I always considered the Soviet Union to be it's own separate faction during the war. The Western Allies and the USSR had polar opposite goals. They only fought together because they had a common enemy.
To fight a Facist you need a Commie.
To fight a Commie you need a Facist.
We fought the wrong enemy - General Patton
@@emperorkane317 Well the west has been completely infiltrated by communists so shit luck
The Soviet flag should be seen as equal to a swastika.
@@automnejoy5308 I really don't understand why this isn't the case
Hey, I'm Estonian and I am genuinely thankful for the existence of this video. The rampant denial and downplaying of Red atrocities in the entirety of Eastern Europe and elsewhere that continues to be commonplace in the western world needs to end and those that continue denying and downplaying must be treated just like those who deny and downplay the Holocaust, for it is no better or worse. We lost so much possible history, and nowadays not even 70% of my country is actually Estonian.
And it's with KGB veteran thugs like Putin that often make me worry about Estonia as well as other Eastern European/Baltic Nations. There are those that still believe said lands rightfully belong to Russia. It's as if the Soviet Union died in body but it's spirit endured.
@@antona.4572 Can't say much about the Estonian voluntary SS forces, but I am fairly certain they hadn't commit and warcrimes, as the recruitment campaigns all promised them a free Estonia. The exact same thing was done under Soviet rule during WW2, Estonians were baited with thoughts of freedom to join the Soviet army in the fight against the Germans. At the end of the day, shit happens in war. Always has.
It is ironic how you claim that concern of Russian incursion into the Baltic states is propaganda-fuelled and then accuse the Baltic states of being backwards and of having bad economies, as this is something Russia media outlets really pump out for some reason. Estonia had the *least* amount of debt out of any other nation in the world, last I checked, but our economies are okay, they're not good or bad, but they are limited in their capability due to the long-lasting negative effect communism has had. Let's not even mention the hordes of Russians in Estonia and Latvia who don't even speak our languages and parasite off of welfare.
Anton A. So the Russians would invade the Ukraine under the false pretense of reaching the ethnic Russians living there (in a former soviet state) but nah they wouldn’t even consider invading the Baltic’s using a similar fascist playbook. Also, you must be very narrow minded to have such a black and white interpretation of history. Just because we in the West, be it Estonia or or America, call out the communist bastards of the Soviet Union automatically does not mean that we condone or sympathize with the evils perpetrated by the Nazis or consider them heroes. But many of us share the conviction that those in the communist/Marxist crowd deserve the same hostility and contempt and treatment as that of the Nazis. To hell with all of them!
@@meatloaf5772 a usual recepy for anti-Russian propaganda is 10% truth vs 90% straight-out lies.
But with "Russia invaded Ukriane" case, it is 100% straight-out lie with 0% truth. Just pointing out where your propaganda has failed this time.
Of course your Red comrades did not commit any war crimes at all , did they? Estonia is a great country in it's own right . The Soviets had, and still have, no rights to this wonderful country. Just listen to what these murderers did to innocent civilians as well as soldiers during and after the War. Every one still living should be brought to justice and jailed.
All teachers teach about German atrocities
Some teachers teach Japanese atrocities too.
But barely any teacher talks about Soviet atrocities (or at least talk about them deeply)
In Poland they are rather known.
We don't like when someone leaves our AK insurgents to get grinded against German War Machine when it could have been prevented and then takes our sovereignty for 45 years.
@@Anonim-os7rp Why would they help them in Warsaw though? What tangible gain would the Soviets have received?
The Soviets "joined" the Allies(up to a point). P.S. We (Allies) defeat the WRONG enemy!
@@ImSorryFive Allies to fight Germans.
@@ricardorojas5045 It's all your fault you didn't help us in 1939, if you did that Germans would be pincered and crushed before Soviets could have taken half the Europe.
Later Germans were up to bombing London and Soviets didn't really have a problem with you, that's why you helped the more sane dictatorship, the USSR.
The most concerning part of this comments section is not those defending communism (like anything else, communism is just an idea), it's those claiming that these atrocities never happened in order to defend their ideals
At least I do not deny the atrocities nor do I say they deserve it. It's a sad truth I will accept
A stupid fantasy at that
>start a war
>do crimes
>lose
>cry about crimes
Why We Fight: Battle of Russia (1944 US documentary)
German war crimes against Soviet citizens
8:40 - vandalism
9:50 - mass murder
10:45 - children
10:52 -child rape
ruclips.net/video/LKgciQ0FRNY/видео.html
@@pyotrbagration2438 did the Soviet bloc attack the Soviet before they were commie?
Civilian: Oh thank the lord! You have saved us!
Nazis: I wouldn't say saved, more like
*gunshot*
Soviets: under new management
Huh?
@@astrum1508 Megamind refrence
That happens your community is following stupid Abrahmic religion
@@Ankit0494 Ah yes, the soviets, who were an nihilistic state, were Christians, smort 🤓
Lol. Had the same Idea for such a meme for quite a while. Though Instead of the first line being said by a civilan in my version it would have been like this:
Poland: Oh thank the lord! You have saved us!
Katyn massacre,Rape of berlin,Mass deportation,The holodomor,And tons of genocides.When you really think about it the soviets were really just like the nazis and in my opinion even worse but their crimes are ignored.The quote "History is written by the victor"Really describes what the soviets did.
Probolm?
Not at all. You know how bad they are right . So how did they write history I aware most of the ppl here have a yr 9 lvl understanding of history sorry not sorry
@@Dayrahl not sorry eh?
You don’t know what you’re talking about at all lol. The katyn massacre was against the polish army, the rape of berlin was not systematically structured but it was actions by soldiers, there was not “tons of genocides” in the Soviet Union, and nobody recognized the holodomor as a genocide during that time anyways. You are a fool.
History is not written by the victors, history is written by historians. They dig in the archives for any footage, notes, letters and personal accounts, battle plans and any other piece of evidence that can prove and back up any claims. Then they write a hypothesis on it and share it with colleague's who in turn also do their own research on the matter. After everything seems legit and can be backed up by evidence it is submitted to a board that will try to challenge any claims you made. If they find out you made shit up not only you but all the other historians that backed you will lose credibility which can end an historians career.
What you mean to say is that the victors government will just try to hide and deny any atrocity with loads of propaganda. But if it happened and there is any piece of evidence on it, a historian would probably write a real piece on it.
Japan: *slides away quietly*
Wish we had 5 or 6 nukes. Coulda sent them back to the stone age.
@@skettinbutter3635
Their stone age was worst
They'll had endless wars just to flex their master's power
@@skettinbutter3635 I don't think we have the right to drop bombs on Japan. But the millions of people that were brutally tortured by Japan in WW2 deserve to drop 1000 atomic bombs on them.
Oh no, you're staying right here Japan
@@jono601 it was either the bombs or Operation Downfall
My babcia survived a gulag. She lost all of her sisters and the only ones to survive along side her was her mother and cousin. We have her entire trek recorded as after she was liberated from the camp she had nowhere to go and no family left. She barely survived her journey to england as she knew going back to poland was no longer an option. I wouldn't be where I am today without her herculean strength to survive a hell on earth for 3+ years.
Gosh, she’s such an incredible strong women. I couldn’t imagine what she went through.
You are polish?
What happened to her? Why was she sent to gulag?
Thank god someone is talking about this...
Yup. It's important to remember that even Americans and British too were no saints.
@@TheFront dudes were literally trying to take over the world and eliminate an entire race of people, sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures.
@@TheFront - agreed, but nothing was on the organised level of the atrocity’s that the Russians, Germans, and Japanese committed.
@@alexanderpippington9277, agreed. Only the atrocities of the Soviets, the Nazis, and the Japanese Empire were government sanctioned. If caught a Western Allies soldier would be court martialed. Not to say it didn't happen, but we never ordered soldiers to do it. Big difference and a testament to how despotic any form of totalitarianism is.
@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 Actually, I believe that after the Malmedy Massacre, US troops were told not to take SS and fallschirmjägers prisoner. (Even though fjs weren't even participating in it.)
"But atleast they weren't facists"- someone probably
But the Communist government WAS fascist! Stalin was a fascist, Mao was a fascist, Pol Pot was a fascist, and the Kims are fascist. Pretty much every dictatorship is/was fascist.
@Jonathan Votta LOLOLOL! You, are the one who doesn't know what it means! Are you one of those schmucks who think it is the opposite of Communism? No, that would be Free Enterprise. Fascism is a type of rule or attitude that suppresses any other viewpoints, and is not afraid to use force to put it down. In this country the biggest fascists I can think of right now is ANTIFA. Ain't that a kick? It's like North Korea calling themselves a "Democratic Republic".
@Jonathan Votta No use beating a brain dead horses ass.
@@HemlockRidge *Munches popcorn* Awe, the movies over now. Guess I'll go look for more flame wars in the comments section.
@TerranStriker They weren't socialist they were actually pretty capitalistic economically speaking. They supported private property and corporations. Before the night of the long knives the S.A leadership wanted to break off because Hitler was betraying their socialist values. Also just because it has socialist in the name doesn't make it socialist like how North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea even though it's not a democracy. Just because it's in the name doesn't mean that's what thr party means.
"At least they weren't racist, guys"
Seems like it doesn't count if the Europeans murder each other horrifically...
Matter of fact: They were. They just did not call it racism.
@jose tapia he’s clearly making a joke about the people who actually say this stuff
Ah yes has the pfp of a Polish Fascist doing a nazi salute.
Yes they Were Bro
Katyn. I was waiting to hear Katyn Forest Massacre mentioned. My maternal Grandmother came to the US as a teenage Polish immigrant. She said "everybody is touched. Everybody felt Katyn." As it seemed every family had someone who was marched into the woods and did not come out. She usually only spoke of the atrocity in her native tongue. There's a Katyn monument in the cemetery at the National Shrine of Our Lady of Czestochowa. Not many people of that age around anymore, but as a child I remember Polish-Americans crying at that spot for hours.
The Soviets shot the Poles with German weapons with German cartridges, knowing that there would be a war later and the Germans would seize this territory, and therefore they would blame them, it's fucking difficult)). At the same time, 100 thousand Polish soldiers who crossed into the territory of the USSR from Poland will not be shot(Anders' Army) and will be transported to Iran at their request. Why did the USSR shoot those soldiers in Katyn?
War is hell. Your maternal Grandmother is just a number. Nothing more.
@@GarrettJimmy Well, the thing is that the Russians were not at war with Poland, at least not officially. See, that's real the issue here. Then again, when communism is the rule, there is no end to the shit that goes on and zero value put on human life. You missed the whole point here.
@@sub3er033 Because the USSR divvied up Poland with Germany as per earlier agreement between those two giants of humanitarianism. Stalin figured that the easest way to pacify the Polish population that suddenly finds itself under the Commie rule, is to kill off those who run the military. Logical choice. Impossible choice for those who grew up in the West. Perfectly reasonable for the criminals who call themself communists, as though there are other kinds of communists, of course.
@Pete Rhein
My mother was german and she and my grandmother escaped from East Germany at the end of the war. My mother breaks out in tears when I question her, so I only have bits and pieces. I wonder what else they went through? I really geel for all the people that were tortured, killed and emotionally scarred. It's a useless thing in life, brought about by madmen, who're still around today
"The flag may be different, but the methods are the same"
-Viktor Reznov
Do you quote a hero of a computer game? This is what you need to know about your stupidity, you don't have to answer anything
@Ffg McRae I've seen the other comments this man has made. He's clearly an apologist for the Soviets. He inherently doesn't agree with the quote nor does he believe the facts stated by this video.
@@AaronPaulIbarrola I don’t believe it, this video really hurt me. I'm not saying that this was not at all, but you would have known what the Nazis were doing in my homeland and what the hatred and thirst for retribution were, but there was an order from above not to touch the peaceful by violence, this tack has a number and is stored in the archive, but here they talk about the opposite, so this is an outright lie
@@loko450 Yeah all the leaders including Hitler had an order to not harm civilians....obviously none of them followed it. The reason why the soviets were so bad was because people seem to want to forget they did anything and try to justify their acts.
@@lilzp9106 Did the Fascists have orders not to touch the civilians? Do you exist in parallel reality? Plan is to read its content on the plans of the Third Reich in the occupied territories. Destroyed gray-haired villages by order, burned together with the residents, justifying the Nazis, you become an accomplice
So many children orphaned. So many grieving mothers. War is hell, and the aftermath purgatory.
Yes..brother....yes
War.... War never changes
- Joseph Gandhi Churchill or someone... Idk
@@sooryan_1018 agh! We both had the same idea! My man!
Unfortunately THE FRONT, deleted the comment that had links to some films about Germans in Russia. I guess he just doesn’t want to spoil the mood. Here’s the link, viewer discretion advised
m.ruclips.net/video/0oNt9VB6xtk/видео.html
m.ruclips.net/video/zyuBF8tILK4/видео.html
The horrors of the gulags preceded and followed ww2 by decades.
The soviets set fire to axis military hospitals with the wounded inside example in siege of Budapest.
The Nazis did the same thing and worse in the Soviet Union, the Axis were getting a taste of their own medicine
neither the third Reich or the Soviet Union adhered to the Geneva convention in the second World War
Or piled the patients in the streets than ran them over with tanks
Which was a good thing
@@phyllisfager6689 all tank commaders from all sides did that WHY? because they could
@@k0mentator507 : In the war cime trials after wwll , both in European and Pacific theater, NO allied soldiers had been punished. Why the winners had not been punished for their crimes? DOUBLE STANDARTS.
The sad fact about war is that innocent civilians have more casualties than the ones who fight
Well yes. Count the German, British, polish, American, French, soviet, Estonian, Chinese, Taiwanese, Guinean, Czech, Austrian, Aussie, Italian so yeah.
@@dipanwitamandal7289 count just the soviets and chinese and that's ig already pretty close to the actual military casualties
@@dipanwitamandal7289 Almost no Australian civilians died in WW2. The Japanese bombed Darwin, and I think a sub shelled Sydney. That was about it. I think maybe 100 people died total in both attacks
@@dipanwitamandal7289 also Indian soldiers as they were under British rule and were forced to fight a foreign war
The ones who fight are also nothing but civilians pushed to the frontline to die.
It's even worse because they suffer even longer until they get killed.
And there are still people who say that USSR "liberated" eastern europe
That’s ironic because your the KGB
My nigga do you see yourself😂😂😂
because that's what it did. but there still are people spreading anti-Soviet propaganda, and people believing every word of it, no questions asked. i wonder why. could it have anything to do with capitalism failing further and further, with more people starting to look for alternatives... it would be so convenient to persuade everyone that there's no alternative, that the alternative was even worse. stop thinking. exploitation for private profit is here to stay. commies were bad. just trust us.
@@jan_kisan they didn’t liberate Eastern Europe buddy stop lying to yourself
@@user-oq2ez5lz8w i know i just do stupid shit with it :P
Censored by Twitter, Facebook, and Google: "Nothing to see here. Move along."
wut?
imagine unironically thinking that those billion dollar companies are sympathetic to soviet authoritarianism
@@kady5991 Most students in US colleges claim they are communists.
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y A sad truth really...
@Aggressive Tubesock I'm confused. Is it th W240 or the W241 Form that I have to fill out? Asking for a friend.
Murderers are not monsters, they're men. And that's the most frightening thing about them.
The greatest monsters in the world live inside the hearts of men
- Alice Sebold
Every human being is 51% good and 49% evil by nature. The sooner you realise that the better you can deal with that. Use the evil inside yourself to do good.
It is like this russian say with the good and the bad wolf inside of you. Which one is stronger? The one you feed!!!
@@stanislavczebinski994 My teacher used to tell me 95% of human beings are good and 5% are evil.
@@theonef570 thats not how it works. world is not black and white.
That’s why a lot of the previous Eastern Block still hates Russia.
2 questions:
1. Can you please name a nation from USSR/occupied lands, which lost more people, value and property and can't have even own national state until today, year 2021, because of Bolshevism?
2. Please name high-ranked officials in Stalin's government, who were Russian by ethnicity.
@@letztlebendejunker2318 ?
@Nika The Freedom Fighter (1) UK and France signed peace agreements with Nazi Germany in 1938, in Munich, and ordered Czechoslovakia to surrender to Hitler.
In September 1938 Nazi Germany invaded Sudetenland. Polish wouldn't let the Soviet Army to pass through to counter German Nazis in Czechoslovakia.
In September 1938 Poland invaded Tesin.
ruclips.net/video/RKggGhTaO8/видео.html
Mr Litvinov of the Soviet Union raised the question of containing German Nazis at the League of Nations meetings. He did that on several occasions, but was ignored (watch 1944 American Why We Fight documentary).
In the same documentary they showed how later, in fall 1939, German Nazi bombed and invaded the western part of Poland (the fait of a traitor is always grim). The only reason the eastern territories were saved from bombing according to Why We Fight, is because the Soviet Army was quiche enough to move to the border separating the western and eastern parts of Poland.
Yes, the Soviet Union signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop nonaggression treaty, but they did it the last out of all European nations.
The fact that Poland and Finland were not included in to the Soviet Union after WWII is a perfect evidence that it wasn't in the Soviet Union's plans to engulf either of the former Russian Empire's territories.
P. S. Poland and Nazi Germany also had a nonaggression treaty. It was signed in 1934.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_declaration_of_non-aggression
According to Why We Fight, WWII began on Sept 18, 1931, when the Militarist Japan occupied Manchuria.
@Nika The Freedom Fighter Links to scientific articles or credible sources supporting your claims about atrocities. Otherwise -- you are a big mouth.
@Nika The Freedom Fighter Most atrocities in Serbia were committed by the unlawful NATO airstrike that hit Belgrade on the Easter Sunday, 1999. Bombs read 'Happy Easter'. The strike was NOT authorized by UN.
Good to see someone willing to tell the truth about the USSR war crimes.
and not source where he got his 'truths' from, thats sure going to make people pro-USSR take him seriously
@@unlimited8410 books; diaries, letters, biographies
@@hullygan8476 and exactly which books; diaries, letters, and biographies? This is what is what I was talking about.
@@unlimited8410 “Russian veteran recalls their crimes in Germany”
@@TheJayTex "An American veteran recalls their crimes in Iraq, Korea, Vietnam".
I won't be surprised if you also consider killing nazi soldiers as crimes for Russian soldiers.
There wasnt a single army during the war that didn’t commit warcrimes. Everyone should he held to account, regardless of whether they won the war or not
That goes for most wars too there’s a reason why people say war is hell
To be fair, I don't think anyone disagrees with you on that.
For example, you can find many people who claim that America is the greatest county ever, but I still have yet to find anyone who claims that it has no faults.
Nuremberg trials 2: Winning is not an excuse.
Yep Canadian soldiers didn't take prisoners! The reason was that they thought why share food, water with someone who wants to kill me..
Look up Canada ww2...
Jeez, the Tsarist army treats Paris better than the Soviets treating any city.
Again :(
Unfortunately THE FRONT, deleted the comment that had links to some films about Germans in Russia. I guess he just doesn’t want to spoil the mood. Here’s the link, viewer discretion advised
m.ruclips.net/video/0oNt9VB6xtk/видео.html
m.ruclips.net/video/zyuBF8tILK4/видео.html
@@vlasbaranyuk5663 youtube can also delete comments.
@@Demicleas yes, but RUclips doesn’t do two minutes after they were posted (AND there was just a recommendation)
@@vlasbaranyuk5663 What use would they be of here? Germans being horrible doesnt excuse the Soviets.
@@vlasbaranyuk5663 it’s because the video is about Russian atrocities, not German ones, one country’s atrocities does absolutely nothing to justify Russian ones, what the Germans did isn’t really the point
There isn’t really a point in bringing up other atrocities unless you’re trying to somehow justify it with whataboutism
People from former communist states: “It was horrible, my family was sent to gulags and there was rampant famine.”
14 year old blue haired twitter/reddit socialists: “UHM, AKTUALY, CAPITALISM BAD!”
Yes, someone else has different opinion, stop crying. 😂
@@mrpoggiewoggies8636 Who? Him or the white girls?
I mean, let's be honest, the Stalin era style of socialism was just red coloured fascism. Same personality cult, same brutality. Just without an organised genocide but instead a great purge among the population. Oh wait, that's just genocide with extra steps.
Didnt more people died because of predatory capitalism?
@@strahinjatopalovic2540 while that's technically true, the time frame is just completely different.
why is there so much "but the nazis" in the replies?
you know there can be more than one bad guy right? and they can hate eachother and team up with the "goodguys" to take down the other, shit happens all the time in tv shows why is it so unreal to think it happens irl?
Apparently real life is too complex to comprehend for some idiots. They perceive everything as linear as "good vs evil".
Whataboutism. An attempt to derail the conversation. A very commonly whipped out logical fallacy when there's discussions/criticism going on about Soviet Union and/or Russia.
@@MosoKaiser exactly. Bring up whats wrong with communism and they'll have a list of everything ab capitalism ready.
@@MosoKaiser Whataboutism is just some western word that was invented to shut people up about muricahs +200 offensive wars in its short history.
@@vlad_47 Well, there's another word for it: tu quoque.
And it's not limited to just US - Russia discourse, it gets used all over the place.
Can't stand the people trying to justify all the atrocities committed towards civilians and pows with the "revenge" card, what a poor mindset ngl, i've seen many comments in a lot of videos about this topic justifying war crimes with that argument, like wtf, how is it okay to slaughter civilians? And they even call you fascist when you disagree with them
If someone murdered my family, destroyed my home.... I’d be seeking revenge.
@@Primal-Weed ok nazi
The Germans still do this. Lübeck they still say "It was bombed in retaliation for the bombing of Coventry." F..king BS.
It was bombed because it was on a river and on a moonlit night the newly trained RAF navigators might just be able to find it. The grandson of an intelligence officer (Photographer) has all the details, including, he claims, before and after photos his grandfather was supposed to burn at the end of the war. The British didn't do revenge it is too expensive in men and material a waste of time.
Same reason they didn't bomb rail lines to camps ... the best way to end the killings was to end the war. Every effort had to be put into winning as quickly as possible but with being reckless.
Without being reckless
Your title says it all. Absolutely! As Churchill reminded us, we are never far from a new dark age.
A great quote from a great man.
Churchill was spitting facts.
Churchill himself caused Bengal famine which caused 3 milion of deaths and during his youth Churchill participated on Boer Wars where British invented World first concentration camps. Britain waged on Boers war of annihilation.
Boyar That Famine was not just his fault, and even so it dosent come anywhere near things like the Soviets did
Churchill would know after all.
As a Finn I am proud that we laid to waste 500,000 Soviet invaders in WW2.
this is why finland sucks
2 of my favourite war stories are about a few Finns simo haya the greatest sniper ever and a man called aimo who took his entire units ration of pervertin before having his ammo taken off him who spend the next 2 weeks on the worst trip in human history skied through a Russian camp at full speed then got into a death battle with a wolverine only to come to and realise he was punching a tree 😂
500k😂? The offical number of soviet deaths in the winterwar was 126875-167976 and that number came from khrushchev who wanted to destroy the stalincult, most historyans estimate 53k-68k soviets died in that war
@@Johno1992ivan sidorenko,vassili kvachantiradze and vladimir salbijev had all more kills than simo and the more u read about simo u understand he was propaganda and hes real killcount is estimated of around 200
@@schokobar4133 Yes, that was in the winter war. But you are aware of the continuation war (1941-44)? That's where the rest of the casualties come from.
Wow Poland had it rough as it was massacred by both the nazis and soviets😞
I only wish more people would realize that.
yeah but they weren't only ever victims of those 2 regimes, there were also poles who comited atrocities on behalf of those regimes, there were poles who participated in nazi massacres of jews and when germany was vanquished there were poles who participated in soviet atrocities on german civilians
@@justinfilipovic8939 And Poland invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938 to annex Zaolzie alongside the Germans and Hungarians.
@@m.a.118 oh I didn't know that interesting
@@kamilszadkowski8864Se Sovětským svazem přišla bída na Zem.
My mum told me that when she went to school in Poland in the 80’s the teachers would always tell them that the Soviets were worse than the Nazis.
She also told me that my great grandad was captured, tortured and sent to a Gulag for being a soldier of the Polish army or a “rebel” against the USSR, but in 1941 he was sent to defend Moscow even though he was not in a condition to fight
Feel sorry man. But knowing how soviets were, he would die anyways... if were wounded during battles, you were just left to die or be captured by Germans, if they made it so far. There is no human in anyone who wears a red star.
If he was worn out in Gulag and couldn’t work no more, he would be killed. Once you got captured by Commies, you would never see your home or family again. So I really don’t see why Nazis are the most hated when Russia was not better... Well the winner gets to tell the “truth” I’m afraid... :(
@@privateerbouncher9622 Yeah exactly he considered himself lucky to be able to fight the war because others in the Gulags weren’t so lucky.
100%, the Nazi’s do the Holocaust and the Soviets do the Holomdor and countless genocides against Poles, Lithuanians, Ukrainians and many more. Also the fact that they raped countless defenceless under the excuse that they liberated them shows they weren’t any better than the Nazis. I guess you are right the winner writes history!!
@Spicyleaves Yes thats what I thought when my mum told me, like wouldn’t they have informants within the Polish educational system to make sure that that Poles were being taught what the Soviets wanted them to be taught.
But after a while I realised that they were able to openly criticise the USSR because in the 80’s due to political and economical changes in the USSR especially after Gorbachev came into power the USSR’s grip over Poland loosened and wasn’t as strong as it was in the 60’s for example
@Spicyleaves In the 80s, the Polish people were finally starting to stand up in larger numbers against the communist system, so it makes sense that people felt they could speak out against the government, even if it could still get them punished.
Quite unfair to say the Soviets were worse than the Nazis ! Should Germany have won the war, Poland would not exist and the Polish people would have been exterminated or being enslaved for the needs of german industry and agriculture
From estonia here,every so often i hear people talking about how theire granddas/grandmoms were sent to siberia,and how it looked like,no toilets so people had to relive themselfs somewhere in the wagon,and people who died on the way stayed in there till the destination
Also edit: Solviets recruiting civilians is also talked about here,sometimes it would be just estonians fighting estonians just under diffrent flag
That is awful.
The film 1944 doesn't do it justice, but it seems a close copy of what it was like then.
Same here in Latvia
I just received a package from Estonia today, probably the first time I ever ordered something from a company in Estonia. Just kinda strange that Estonia keeps showing up around me all of a sudden.
@@roberttaylor6030 That small country needs more recognition!
This is why I still have a grudge against the Soviet Union
Completely understandable.
I remember the horrifying words I heard from the surviving German civilians many years later: "every woman in Germany in the areas invaded by the Soviets was raped at least once, but many were raped several types, and many until death, including children". And I have seen too many photos that absolutely corroborates that truth. That was literally MILLIONS of women and it was purely done out of savage revenge.
I can understand the Soviets being brutal to enemy german soldiers in battle, but torturing civilians is absolutely unacceptable and inexcusable.
I mean, it's not like the Soviets were the only ones guilty of that in history, but still, they deserve nothing but condemnation for it.
And after the war, they drove off and starved the German speaking population in nowadays Poland, there is a term for the children trying to survive this. Wolf's children.
They then deported Ukrainians to the areas they had emptied.
There are still many old people in Germany that fled from these areas.
And then they installed a communist dictatorship over all the territory they 'liberated'.
Every crime must be condemned, but in case of soviets ... "Winners are not judged," as they said in the USSR.
@@warrioroflight6872 yes you are right
Unfortunately THE FRONT, deleted the comment that had links to some films about Germans in Russia. I guess he just doesn’t want to spoil the mood. Here’s the link, viewer discretion advised
m.ruclips.net/video/0oNt9VB6xtk/видео.html
m.ruclips.net/video/zyuBF8tILK4/видео.html
My father was a WWII US Army Vet. He severed in Africa and the European theaters. My father never spoke of the War. In the 60's my father took us to see the movie "The Battle of the Bulge" As we walked out of the movie, I remember telling my Father that the Germans were wrong for shooting American soldiers at Malmedy. As my father lite his cigarette, he looked at me and said, "We did the same thing." He said, "There were times we was deep in the front-lines, and you'd take German Prisoners." You didn't have enough men to escort them back and you couldn't let them go. So he was given orders to shoot them.......I never looked at my Father the same way after that. I was 12 years old.
ага а потом какой нибудь солженицын напишет правду что твой отец насиловал и убивал и убил 300 миллионов насиления планеты.! Это сущая правда я тебе говрю враги америки мне рассказали эту правду, что ты любишь насиловать детей.! в 12 ты отворачивал головы кошкам, твои соседи сказали.! Это правда что не веришь.? Эти людям ни кто не платил, они предатели и враги н оони точн оне врали.! Это сущая правда.! =В А твой батя скрыл то что потом трупы этих пленных он так же насиловал у меня есть источник который это говрил, но он уже умер и не может предоставить те данные, но это правда, верь мне.! В другое же вы верите.
Did he obey those orders to shoot?
Nothing wrong with killing Nazis. Remember they started that war and killed civilian women, children old people and the handicapped for no reason. They were lucky we didn't kill them all. Whatever the Soviets did to the Germans was justice. Of course Stalin murdered more Russians than Hitler did. He was as bad as Hitler.
@@matthewdunham1689 No, that's wrong. It's one thing to understand why US troops killed Nazi POWs, or understanding why they bombed German societies to the ground. But justifying it entirely is wrong. It should not be seen so lightheartedly, but be seen as at best a necessary evil to end the war quicker. We justify everything against an evil regime and we become an evil regime ourselves. The USSR's atrocities were often done without an eye to ending the war quicker; which makes their atrocities even more cruel. We MUST hold ourselves up to a higher standard.
@@stephenjenkins7971 only if you are willing to either die or letting the Nazis win. I'm not. No normal person is. Killing Nazis is doing God's work.
I went to an engineering school next to an art school, and we often shared dining areas. The amount of art students I saw wearing pro communist/soviet union t shirts, pins, etc disgusted me. I saw large group of them yell at a student from our school wearing a MAGA hat, calling him a fascist, sexist, etc. Two of the people yelling were wearing that "Welcome to the Communist Party" t shirt which, if you haven't seen it, depicts Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Mao, etc wearing lamp shades on their heads and raising red solo cups. The level of cognitive dissonance on display was staggering.
Unfortunately the elite believe that. They need a reality check
I don't support either the communists nor the "MAGA" supporters. Both are wrongheaded.
Engineering student watches RUclips propaganda, and thinks he knows better than History students...
@@mortarriding3913 Art students are not hisotry students....
And history students can very well be victims of propaganda when the teacher is a communist.
@@zadaofficial8091 you don't even know which faculty history is a part of?
My grandmother never saw her family ever again in Estonia and we dont know what happened to them because we don't know their number issued to them by the Soviet's. She was left with no choice to flee the country. She ended up working for the U.S. army in Germany then made her way to Australia. Here she worked in factories in South Australia for a while before being given an empty patch of land out side sydney that she turned into a poultry farm from some chickens donated by a local.
Why We Fight: Battle of Russia (1944 US documentary)
German war crimes against Soviet citizens
8:40 - vandalism
9:50 - mass murder
10:45 - children
10:52 -child rape
ruclips.net/video/LKgciQ0FRNY/видео.html
@@evawind 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
@@exactlybasically8603 Wrong makes everything wrong until defeated by the right.
@@evawind their actions were still evil, even if they were justified to a point.
@@exactlybasically8603 All evil actions were condemned at the Nuremberg trials.
The poles will never forget
i am polish, thankful for the liberation by the red army... my grandma would've died like her family did. yes, i would never forget to remain thankful
Гиены европы: Колонии для польши!
I mean the Poles also executed Red Army soldiers, but officers and other military ranks but none of the massacres are justified by either sides.
@@nitrofiregamingtv1155 When exactly?
Hope so, however I am concerned about the fact, that many Poles already did
Unfortunately most communist regimes usually don’t get the Nuremberg treatment.
@Xslypher yes
@Xslypher good to know this video has turned a degen comment section for neo-nazis
@Xslypher follow your leader
@@thechekist2044 but indeed wwii was never about good guys vs bad guys
Neither do capitalist regimes. For example Great Britain never answered for Bengal famine which was genocide. Or USA for nuclear testing on humans in Bikini Atoll.
Happy communists/socialists are those who do not live in a communist/socialist country.
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@@thechekist2044 germans were happier in Nazi Germany than today.
Wrong
@@fritzfromsouth5935 but now turks are happy in Germany
@vzxy yki Hahaha yeah, right... none of those countries are socialists.
― Jonathan Maberry
“Once you hear the details of victory, it is hard to distinguish it from a defeat.
Why We Fight: Battle of Russia (1944 US documentary)
German war crimes against Soviet citizens
8:40 - vandalism
9:50 - mass murder
10:45 - children
10:52 -child rape
ruclips.net/video/LKgciQ0FRNY/видео.html
The difference is the Soviets got away with their crimes lol.
Yeah and western allies didn't give a shit.
They won the war bruh
@@JuanLopez-wy2xo wdym bruh?
America was not held accountable for its crimes.
@@pavel3659 nor was Britain or the French Resistance. Don't bring the US into this
Thank you for covering the rape part most people leave that out but people NEED to know so the past will stop repeating itself
Russians leaned that behavior from Germans who raped women in Poland, Russia, France, England.....
“One Death is a Tragedy, but millions of deaths is Just a Number”-Joseph Stalin
I believe that Stalin quoted that .
@@demolitiondaz22 that is where I got it from
@@rnin689 He made a few other good quotes, but like most leaders , he was crazy.
Yet i somehow feel bad when a family dies but when millions died I don’t seem to feel bad considering they were just numbers of people who died
George Floyd was one of these tragedy! The rest were just statistical!
Very true!
My grandparents were deported from Poland. All my grandmother got was a medal for surviving with two of three children. She was sent from Siberia to Iran to Africa for the whole of WWII My grandfather was made to got fight with the army
I'm so glad my family left Germany when they did, they either would've been forced to go along with Nazi ideology, butchered by the Soviet forces, or both.
Alot of germans fled to Argentina or chile. Italians 2.
Even russians tryied escape to west during 1945
Imagine you spend 6 years in Nazi Germany and then you are finally free but you remember you live in Saxony. Round 2!
Lol self hating German.
The Soviets also had things like Cannibal island.
@Kebab Remover
😂 if only, much more horrible I'm afraid.
And the US had things like nazi pedophile colony to outsource torturing (aka. colonia dignidad).
There were no "good guys" in the world wars, or in the cold war, or in any war.
@@martonlerant5672
Even just granting that, how many people actually approve of Nazi pedophilia island? Because right now in the last 4 months across the western world, there have been thousands of people rioting, tearing down statues, burning down neighborhoods and physically assaulting or outright trying to kill people all while calling each other Comrade, waving Soviet flags, and self proclaiming to be marxist, socialist, and communists.
@@drfye
...how is that even remotely related to what i said? (there are no "right sides in war, as everyone commits attrocities)
@@martonlerant5672
-" the Soviets also did this........".
-"Well, the nazi's did this......there were no good guys" .
Anecdote from Australian Paramedic (Ambulance):
15 years ago I took a Russian survivor of Stalingrad to hospital.
The very next tasking was a German survivor of Stalingrad to same hospital.
They were side by side in the ED celebrating their surviving Stalingrad & emigrating to Australia - both were condemning Hitler & Stalin ... Stalin won. (The worst.)
Hitler had worse plans but didn't win so he could not have done his extermination and colonization of Russia, Slavic and the Jewish people
Only like 5000 germans survived Stalingrad, I'm guessing this story is fake news
Both were equally worse
@@MrWolffighters my father came back i heard 30% survived
@@MrWolffighters thats 5000 survivors of the 91,000 taken prisoner at the END of the battle. Remember up until the Soviet’s storming of the german airfields within the pocket at Stalingrad during the battle wounded were flown out each time a plane departed. Many thousands of lucky soldiers got to leave before the battle was over.
Interestingly, my wife and son and I went to Volgograd and visited many of the famous sites there. We asked our guide about the losses of Germans after the surrender. According to our guide, the reason for the mass losses of Germans was “stomach problems”. He insisted they were well looked after as best as they could but many had “stomach problems”.
Just smile and wave boys, smile and wave.
This was 2018 as well.
He probably meant that the Germans were malnourished due to the long encirclement and the lack of food in the city. One of the biggest factors why a lot of them died right after surrender.
you should realise that SPECIFICALLY in volgograd (unlike other cities) people ate rats and dogs to survive. So no wonder POWs died from malnourishement. Although in other concentration camps reasons were different.
the poor nazi victims :(
А их никто на при не звал в СССР, они пришли убивать и получили свое!
@@comdir_01 nobody called Russians in Ukraine too so you'll get what you asked for...dead bodies in bags
These atrocities should never be forgotten! The rest of the world, the United Nations should have charged them with war crimes!
Hahahahahahaha United Nations where Russia has a power to veto
Every single other country in the world: internal screeches*
Yeah but dont forget firebombing civilans and two nuclear strikes on innocent peoples. Yeah communists commited crimes, but others do it too. And dont forget what germans do to their families. Soo i dont think is a big warcrime after all that germans did. And all soldiers must know, when you invade and kill innocent people, you probably die in horrific death and noone protect you, and when soldiers who lost their families because of you. Come to your families. They probably kill them too. So i think red army was actually not so harsh.
@@Denis-ww4nt Accomplished citizen of the New World Order. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved the entire Japanese nation in the long run. Millions of Japanese civilians and military would have perished in a land invasion of the Home Islands. Japan would have been a broken country, possibly divided with the north under the boot heel of Soviet occupation. Instead, today, it is a prosperous and established democracy. I won't even add in the toll on Allied military lives of such an invasion, for your benefit. All Western democracies apparently aren't worthy in your eyes.
@@anthonylegore1517 Yeah indians would have perished too, Now its prosperous lands. You can talk about your fantasies all day. But killing 80 000 civilians in one day and many more after, because of radiation. And covering this by words like 'possibly' and 'saved entire nation'. Is good example of brainwashed man.
My grandfather worked on the rocket project. When all members of the rocket project needed to join the SS he refused and was sent to be a soldier in the Crimean. He was often offered promotion which he refused.
When he was captured in 1944 by the Russians the first thing they did was ask all the officers to come forward and then machine gunned them. They then put the prisoners into cattle trucks and drove to their destination. Every stop a few people would have died, so the officers went to make up the numbers in the local village. So by the time they reached their destination a significant number of prisoners were Russian.
My grandfather was released shortly after the United States legally ended their state of war with Germany 1951. By this time he was a shadow of his former self. When he came home was hunched and all bent over. For the first six months his skin came out in huge boils as his body detoxified. His one lung needed to be collapsed due to TB. It was many years until he could pass a trash bin and not look for scraps. He was an invalid and for many years could not work.
I spent time with him in the nineties. He was always thankful that he never took a promotion to officer and talked fondly of his experiences as a soldier in the Crimean. One of his favorite stories was how he met a local in a graveyard and discussed the fate of the Crimean Goths with him.
He never had bitterness about his experiences in Russia, was bitter towards the German political leadership, and never got over the death of his wife in the eighties.
I hope THE FRONT does a video about the punishments that the NSDAP would mete out to conscientious Germans like your grandpa. Their punishments were pure malevolence, like what they did to Max Schmeling for refusing to renounce his Jewish boxing coach. Sending a giant of a man like that to be a paratrooper over Crete. Pure evil...the brownshirt bureaucrats knew how to stick it to you.
The Soviets were so bad, that even captured Soviet POW's preferred jumping to their deaths rather than returning to the Soviet Union to face the gulags or executions after the war ended.
Soviets were so bad that fighting Germans called western front a holidays (if they survived eastern front)
Myth. How many soviet POWs was actually executed? Also what so bad in facin some burocrats?
Look what they did to Reznov
@@Journey_to_who_knows He isn't real (eyeroll)
@@AaSs-ln9mm Myth?
When the soviets could free some of the soviet pows in the battle of Berlin, they gave them a rifle and put em in First line for the next Attack.
Well, the first line never survived the mg42.
My grandmother told me a story she heard from her mother. When she was younger that Russian soldiers come to their village and went into their nabours house. The next morning they didn't see their nabours and the Russians had left. So her father went to check on them. Thus finding the whole family father,mother, 2 boys and daughter nails with their hands into the dinner table with their throats cut.
Seems about right.
Did your grandmother tell you that Germans were so evil that they tortured and gassed millions of small children and babies? I wish that was false but it is not. Germans were monsters much worse than Russians.
Soviets sound like Hamas.
Sounds like just another anti soviet propaganda. Just like polish people claim how Soviet soldiers raped their family front of them and tortured them without any source other than how their family told them
Send this video to people who glorify communism.
ok s*rb
This has nothing to do with communism. Dictators committing war crimes is definitely not the same thing as supporting working class ideology.
@@Mustanaamio7 does that mean I can support national socialism because of the idea, not the dictator behind it?
communism is not about red army and russia its not even about nations communism is about equality and classes i think people in the west specially have gained from communism like 8 hours shift good pay education healthcare because in tsar russia the poor had nothing from it and they worked all day for a piece of bread with the church blessing so they revolted because they had nothing to loose
compared to what the nazis did during the holocaust, the red army went light on them
7% dislike ratio??, 1000 people thought pointing out the atrocities of the soviet union is bad, hmmmmmmmm......., I wonder if this like to dislike bar would look different if the video was about some non communist country atrocities.
Nah I just don't like comparing atrocities of nazi germany to Soviet Union.
@Alexander Ortiz exactly and it is disrespectful towards people who lived trough it.
Naw. Just that it's nothing more but western propaganda. That's all. Carry on.
Russian trolls are numerous
@@filipkogut8533 or just know your history instead of listening to western propaganda
"bUt gUyS iT wAsNt rEaL cOmMuNiSm sO iTs oK"
Socialists keep saying it wasn't pure enough giving them licence to keep repeating it until they get it 'right'.
In this video, though, it's the cruelty of individuals (like Stalin) and the cruelty of war (in any context) that caused this. It can't just be one ideology that caused all of this pain...
@@Slavaisusukhrystu Actually it can.
@@thyenergiser6852 How?
the soviet union was the worst thing that ever happened to eastern europe
Even worse at a point they were also controlled by Nazi Germany like a year before that.
Imperialism, Fasicm, Communism within 50 years
More like Vodka
@Philip Degti lol you think?
@Caleb and kitty’s only stalin was worse , not others
@Caleb and kitty’s Western propaganda works well... It's amazing how you managed to rewrite history in 80 years. But the fact remains - the Nazis were much worse
As an estonian, Ive heard stories how my relatives farms, land, houses and even apartments were taken away by the Soviets. Also there was one instance, where my distant relatives were executed in 1944 just because in their own home, they fed estonians wearing German army uniforms, few months before operation Bagration (a neighbor told the Soviet political officer most likely)
RIP.
Poor Estonia
"Those evil commies killed my Nazi-loving relatives wtf?"
@@shadow50011 stop it
@@shadow50011 comment seemed to have a jokey tone could but wrong but i do feel like it was a joke that didnt come out well online not something to joke about but sometimes humour can lighten the mood.
I'll never understand how people can disregard such well-documented atrocities. Ideological horrors have never been exclusive to any singular group, though I guess it's convenient to pretend otherwise.
We should all realize how easy it would be for any of us under different circumstances to be carrying out these horrific acts and feel completely justified. Something to consider, regardless of what your beliefs are.
i'll ask you too then. you seem to understand what "historical document" means. these atrocities being well documented, it will be easy for you to provide those documents, right? i'm humbly asking you to do so.
@@jan_kisan it is not easy to provide documents as they are in the hands of governments and only some is made available to the public
@Dwarov 1 Russki, you are poisoned by your own propaganda
@Dwarov 1 With a name like that you think I am Polish, hahahah. That is probably why you can easily dismiss all the deeds from the SU and talk down on people the SU supressed for close to 40 years. I am sure the Poles have not forgotten about Kathyn. The bodies were real and shot with Walther pistols but not by Nazi scum but Soviet NKVD
You’re both under the influence of your own sources. The only credible ones are the stories and experiences of people who suffered it that time (sadly most of the survivors probably died of old age already)
The Estonians were relieved when the Germans invaded, over-throwing the Russians, however briefly
It's horrible. They thought that no one could be worse than Stalin, but then they realized that Hitler was just as bad.
@@warrioroflight6872 I'm not Estonian but have visited, from what I've read, seen and heard, the Russians were worse - especially post war.
@@Chadhogan111 The Estonians celebrate their SS veterans to this day.
@@JohnSmith-lf4be we celebrate in memory of soldiers that fought in Wermacht for freedom that was promised. When we celebrate for the same Soviet soldiers, it's all cool.
@@Chadhogan111 Well yes, the Estonians readily helped German occupiers root out Jews, Communists, ethnic Russians etc. This happened in a lot of Eastern European countries (see Ukraine) and they would all regret it after the Soviets returned and dispensed justice. And not the faux, cringe justice that the West liked at that period, the good aul line em up against a wall kinda justice.
I’m russian and I’m ashamed of bolsheviks’ war crimes against Russians and non-Russian both. I’m sorry.
Why are you sorry? I am German and i can tell you that you and me we both have nothing to do with what our ancestors did of course we feel a little guilty but we have to get over it we can't change the past but we can make sure that something like that will never happen again
@@tiagomonteiro130 Germans must not allow to being played a 3rd time, there are many things that have been hidden to you.
@@JuanTorres-ny9ff What do you mean?
Their crimes are not your own. In the end, when we stand before a just and holy God we will only give account of ourselves.
You forgot how they abandoned the resistance in Warsaw
when did they did that?
Another historical fake -_-
@@soundwavesuperior7205 Shitstalin blocked the allies from aiding the polish uprising against the Germans to capitalize on a even more weak Poland.
There is a Sabaton Song about that uprising BTW.
@@MFallion Is there 100% proof that this is true? That they blocked them, because i heard lots of miffs similar to this.
@@soundwavesuperior7205 - I've seen this mentioned in several reputable history books. The Red Army was at the banks of the Vistula River, just beyond Warsaw. The Poles rose up against the Germans, thinking their fellow Slavs were going to come to their aid and trounce the Germans but the Red Army stayed where it was until the Polish fighters in the uprising had been destroyed, along with 90% of Warsaw. Stalin had already endorsed a group of Polish Communists and wanted the fighters in the Warsaw Uprising to be defeated because they were anti-Communist. Stalin wanted his group of Polish Communists to dominate the post-war Polish government.
More atrocities by the Soviets? How about the fact that they killed virtually all of the Soviet soldiers that had been captured by Germany and its allies? As I understand it, about 1.5 million Soviet soldiers were still alive in German captivity by the end of the war. Stalin insisted that they all needed to be repatriated to the Soviet Union, even though many of the soldiers themselves protested. Churchill was sure they'd be killed because he knew Stalin was massively paranoid and that he believed soldiers who had been in German captivity, even very briefly, had been "turned" into pro-German, anti-Soviet individuals who couldn't be trusted. Churchill wasn't able to persuade Roosevelt to refuse to give up the Soviet captives and they were duly repatriated to the USSR. The vast majority of them were indeed executed by the Soviets.
Yet Churchill & Roosevelt eagerly got into bed with this beast they affectionally called "Uncle Joe" even after he murdered >8M people, and spewed propaganda to their nations about our "ally" to make the world safe for him for another decade of his wretched life...willing accomplices to ultimate evil
The worst part is that none of the culprits never got punished
For the most part that is true, however a few thousand ended up executed.
@@zackmurray419 right
@@zackmurray419 they probably got executed for an entirely different political reason lol
you are right. all the liars are still not punished.
@@BeezyNgeezY-ul1nu No. Actually, Stalin personally ordered Red Army officers to not commit atrocities and kill German civilians. However, many disobeyed this and still did it after what had happened to their country in revenge. Which also isn’t justified.
Soviet Union is literally the Japan of the allies
Bingo.
It’s brother
Amarica and uk killed the majority of axis civilians
Imagine mentioning this and somebody says "bUt WhAt aBOUt thE NaZiS"
The newest comments would say it
wRiTiNg iT liKE thIS dOeSnT mAkE iT iNVaLid aRguMenT. you saying it's naive to think that those atrocities wouldn't happen if nazis didn't start the war? at least soviets didn't have a plan to extinct all the germans.
Commander Cody what about what the clones did during order 66 hhhmm.
@@Mr_Edwards_1995 "good guys wear white" thats what the senate told me
@@stefanradic9457 well we live in a big world and there's plenty of space for more than one bad guy so...
Modern-day communists like to forget that any of this happened
I'd say it's safe to assume many modern day communists dislike the soviet union. On the other hand many downplay the tragedies while some seem to just hand wave it as "western propaganda" or some bs like that. Though to be fair a lot of these atrocities don't really adhere to any communist ideology.
@@plussum3255 They were less of a communist thing and more of a we-have-an-insane-motherfucker-in-charge thing.
@@asparagussyndrome9430 yeah probably that and really bad corruption. dehumanising the "enemy" always leads to inhumane actions.
"The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution freed the peasantry from the chains of serfdom. See how China is doing now."
- Random Maoist
@@plussum3255 many, but not all. The russian communists literally idolize the USSR and refuse to admit any mistakes.
Thank you for this video. It is extremely important that Soviet war crimes and the depravity of Stalin and the Red Army are exposed and condemed just as much those of Hitler and Nazi Germany are. It’s just sad how all of the communist sympathizers suddenly come out of the woodwork on a video like this with some variation of “But, the Nazis!” as if that’s somehow a reason we *shouldn’t* expose the depravities of Stalin and the Red Army.
One can condemn the atrocities of Nazi Germany and can, and should, also condemn the atrocities of the Soviet Union. It’s rather distressing that I even need to say that, but it seems thats the times we’re living in.
Its still infinetly better than in early 2000s or even early 2010s. If back then you said anything about soviet crimes, you were not only attacked by russian hordes, but also laughed out by westeners. Nowadays it finally starts to click with people just how bad soviets really were. Not saying we are in "good" territory just yet in terms of this knowledge, but lot better
In a world that thinks everything is in black or white, saying they're all gray is a tough thing to swallow...
What world do you people live in ? One that the cold war didn't exist ? The crimes of the Soviets were exposed extensively over the last 7 decades to western audience's.
same problem different name. National Socialists or Communist Socialists. One has a destructive race theory and the other a theory that destroys all who dare think differently. both controlled all assests and peoples lives
@@Meelis13 it will never really click as long as westerners walk around with Che and Mao gear. They do not want to know and when they hear it, it will all be the fault of capitalists who did not allow them to build their socialist paradises in peace.
One of the most common defense from Soviet fanboys is that soldiers were taking a revenge on Germany, which might have given them some legitimate moral basis if they haven't been antagonising their allies too. Milovan Djilas' memoir on Stalin actually talked about how the Yugoslavian leadership was shocked by the large amount of atrocities commited by Soviet troops crossing their territory, and even more so by the rude and arrogant responses from the USSR. From formal protest against "blatant defamation of the Red Army" to justifications that "it's only understandable for a soldier who fought across thousands of miles to take some prizes or have some fun with ladies". Given Djilas' personal grudge against the USSR, some descriptions should be taken with a grain of salt, but I still recommend reading the whole book to have a perspective on the Red Army's discipline issue.
Another immediate example I can think of is Manchuria. When Soviet troops entered northeast China, the sheer amount of raping and sacking pumped out by these 'liberators' was comparable to an actual invasion, some were even bold enough to murder a Chinese general. Local Chinese communist forces were pushed to the limits and informed Stalin that they would enforce shoot-to-kill policy on any soviet troops commiting atrocities. Ask any old folk from that region and they will tell you how Russians were still fiercely hated till this day and why any other factions, even Japanese seemed like a preferable alternative.
Why do u make things now up? Which chinise generell did the soviets kill? And all the things u claim came from british and amarican reports and not a single chinise one and the japanse will be preferable than rather the russians? Get help, the majority of axis civilians deaths goes to the amaricans and brits
What the Soviets did to the ethnic groups throughout 'Their' lands during and shortly after this time is just as horrific.
I lived among the survivors of one such group while I stayed in the USSR for a few months. They talked about how there used to be 4.5-5 million of their people before WW2. How the Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of them, mostly through forced labour. Once the Soviets recaptured the area, they saw them as collaborators. Eventhough they had been forced to work at rifle point they were told they should have died before serving the Nazis as slaves.
In the end the Soviets took their farms and herds away from them and put most of them into large heavy labour Gulags, where most of them starved.
By the late 1950's their population had been cut to about 1.5 million.
The Soviets may have taken longer to kill groups of people, but in the end they killed just as many, maybe more.
which group was that? the tatars?
The people of the Republic of Kalmykia. Descendants of the Mongols who weren't allowed by the Tsar's of Russia to return to their old homelands.
@@justinfilipovic8939 Eh, there are many. We can start with the starvation of the Ukranians in the 20s. Literally millions of Ukranian peasants were stared to death by having all of their grown food confiscated. There were even stories of parents having to kill one of their kids, especially the very young, to feed them to their older kids, so at leaat they would survive. The horror that communists are capable of, is incomprehensible in the West, and that is why we have a wave of this neo-communism here. Most ppl just don't get it.
clown detected
Well what stalin said is that if u surrender to germans or even help them you lose your civilship as a russian... you are no longer russian .... but after the war stalin wanted every soviet to come back to russia wherever they were. lots of people who were pows in England didn`t wanna go back but they were forced to go, brits even killed some who didnt wanna go. Because Stalin had some british pows form the camps rescued and they thought what would happen with them if they didnt force russians to go back..... Most of them were sent to gulags or killed from kgb...
The answer to this mathematically is rather simple . Authoritarianism is dangerous irrespective of the ideology of the regime . No matter how perfect the ideology the sheer concentration of power to few minds greatly increases the risk of the fatal consequences of human error . The more distributed the power of governance the lesser the chances of human error .
Is it non an error when the orders are write. When the ideology want create a new tipe of men. Killing the old tipe......
Then when I rail against all forms of Collectivism the Right calls me "unpatriotic" while the Left claims I "hate poor people."
@@Z020852 Who cares what the left and the right think if they are both authoritarian a**holes. Libertarian, Anarchy or Anarcho-Capitalism are the only respectable positions that currently exist.
It depends on it’s purpose if it’s to untie and rescue a country because there is no other way. Ataturk as an example shows that it’s not all bad. then there are reactionaries like hitler and Mussolini then extreme radicals like Trotskyist’s and Stalinist’s. It mainly depends on the strength of the leader willpower to hold back and their dreams for their nation
@@123mandalore777 Anarcho-capitalism is untenable in reality.
And even now there are people Who justify soviets
You are a free man today only because of Soviet sacrifice and valor, i absolutely hate people like you
@@niktorrente6640 That may be true but that does not excuse what the Soviets did as their crimes are comparable to that of the Germans or Japanese
The Soviet Union has done nothing wrong in WW2 and they done nothing wrong in Afghanistan 1980s! Justified
@@niktorrente6640 Thats fair
@@jagdpanther2224 Are you mad
I’m just looking in the comments for that one edgy 12 year old redditor who thinks they’re quirky because they fantasize about communism and stalin.
I only found 1
@@jeryro1642 found around 8
@@kermitthewarcriminal7896 yeah I’ve found a few more since I made that comment
Nazis: did very bad things
Soviets: did very bad things
The japanese: A living hell...
If you think that Japanese are the living hell I'll just tell you that croats were far worse, don't look it up, you won't like it.
@@vanja2565 Never heard of that before? other than that If you say so Maybe I should not look it up.
Vanja T Balkans always win everyone at bad things
@@captainjacksparrow370 kinda
@@vanja2565 if i remember correctly, they had a tournament in some concentration camp about who kills most in one night
"The flag is diferent, but the acts are the same"
Wrong
@@dwarow2508 Correct.
@@dwarow2508 How? I understand that the quote is an oversimplification, yet Soviets were just as bad if not worse than the Nazis.
@@knyaz7500
They simply weren't. People like you keep throwing around those accusations, but you don't cave any facts to back this statement up. The Nazis were in every way much MUCH worse than the USSR. The mere fact that the people in Eastern Europe still exist proves this
And I suppose that people aren’t alive in Western Europe?
Some German units fought there way to allied lines after Germany officially surrendered so they could surrender to the Americans instead
smart decision
There were german war heroes to. The ones which defended Eastprussia and Berlin in a useless fight to the end, in order to allow as many civilians as possible to escape to the western allies.
@Fabian Kirchgessner They didnt defend their country at this point, but rather civilians
And in some cases the US and British returned them to the Russians
@Max Povetkin 27 million might be a low figure, Some put it over 40 million. But Soviet loses would have been less if the leadership would have treated it's soldiers with respect. They didn't and treated their own men as expendable meat sacks. Human waves against machine guns never works... yet the soviets did it time and time again. Terrible. I have read over a dozen books on the German-Soviet front conflict and in all of them I see not only soviet incompetence but a appalling disregard for human life... their own PEOPLE!
I am not excusing the Germans by the way. The Nazi's set out to annihilate the Slavs and take their land, there is no doubt about it. The German-Soviet war is fascinating in that both sides are completely evil with some heroic individual on both sides.
My grandfather born in 1920s was a partisan and a huge fighter against russian regime throughout his life. He has changed his identity to escape russians, so i dont know any real personal details about him - name or date of birth. He's also lived in forests together with other forest brothers.
When he died, i got his violin and accordion, together with music sheets. He was a musician too, after Lithuania regained independency, he performed folk music in some TV shows. All songs i read was about the homeland, patriotism, freedom, and basic important things like love.
I also checked his book library and i was amazed on volumes upon volumes of partisans notes and other similar books. Literally, notes of other partisans - perhaps the ones he had to bury himself.
And there were similar books about ww2 and nazi/russian crimes. I remember reading one story which sounds like thousands of other stories written there. It was about a village and about an occupant army isolating the people in it. In short, everyone who was still alive after a few moments, was raped and burnt alive in church. By saying everyone i mean little babies and old grandgrandparents were raped too. People used to cycle to nearby villages and towns, some cyclists accidently showed up following the smoke and witnessing the massacre, they were chased, shot, or thrown into the fire too. One of cyclists was an ordinary post delivery guy. Some children who were maybe playing in forests, hearing the screams and shots got back to the village. Raped and murdered. And this was happening village to village, repeatidly, wherever the occupant goes.
My grandfather was a man of few words. I remember once asking him what does he remember about the war and what can he tell about. He thought about it for a second, looked straight at me and said: "digging mass graves and burying people i knew".
Nobody in the wars was without fault.
Yes Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany committed unspeakably atrocities, but saying the allies where without fault is kinda just a little not true.
Nobody said that though
@@comradekenobi6908 True. Examples of Allied war crimes are well documented during WW2.
The allies "all lies"
@@comradekenobi6908 Well some people believe it, and I don’t need to wait to be addressed directly to leave a comment.
@JK To that I say fair enough
Chernov: "This isn't a war! This is just murder!"
Reznov: "This is how you END a war, Chernov!"
Why We Fight: Battle of Russia (1944 US documentary)
German war crimes against Soviet citizens
8:40 - vandalism
9:50 - mass murder
10:45 - children
10:52 -child rape
ruclips.net/video/LKgciQ0FRNY/видео.html
@@evawind Спасибо, товарищ.
@@evawind Fake, its Stalin order #0428 NKVD dressed as German army, so that “documentary” is worthless. Also your last name checks out👃
@@evawind sounds like Beria’s NKVD boys up to no good in stolen German uniforms. They had a knack for doing this and brutalizing the same populations they terrorized earlier in the 30s. The NKVD makes the SS look like Boy Scouts.
Reznov was right.
The tankies are denying and down playing.
I'm seeing a lot more anti-communist shit posting than tanky stuff. Some of the anti-communist claims are based upon bad scholarship, like Anthony Beevor. Have you noticed how much they are vomiting up cannards - they are even quoting a fictional character from the Call Of Duty franchise. Don't confuse opposing such shitposting for Tankyies.
@@JohnSmith-ft4gc haha that is hilarious. No trust me I know when its a tankies they always the things. Like its comical. The.holodimor is Nazi propaganda or sure but they just famines what wad Mao or Stalin supposed to do? I hate democracy. I am proud to be authoritarian. The state wont fall to revolution it will only magically wither away.
@@existentialanarchism4877 "I am proud to be authoritarian. The state wont fall to revolution it will only magically wither away."
I don't get your 2nd sentence. By itself, it could be interpreted as Anarchist, yet your 1st sentence excludes that interpretation.
Can you expand on your stance of authoritarian vs Tankies?
Personally, I tolerate Command Heirarchy, with some limitations to prevent it getting out of hand. You could have a mobile standing army dependent upon supply of anarchist collectives & an Anarchist Staff supporting the heirarchical staff, together with the power to arrest the commander. Hard to mount a coup that way.
The only concession the communist societ would need to make to the military would be manufacturing war materiel to specificaiton. Comrades can be rotated in & out military heirarchy for developing the combat readyness of the population.
And I’m fine with anti-communist rhetoric.
@@JohnSmith-ft4gc Quoting Call of Duty is hilarious. Really shows how conservatives are getting desperate.
Honestly (especially here in the US), people tends to focus on Soviet war crimes and downplay nazi war crimes and crimes against humanity. Imo people should remember both the horrors of them, including our own as well.
Pretty sure it's the exact opposite...Americans are obsessed with talking about Nazi war crimes and most aren't even aware of what the Soviets did.
One of the many terrible atrocities was the amount of people who starved to death in the ussr as well but great job on the video I believe to much is blamed on Germany as if they were the sole bad guy and FDRs policies concerning Russia and Stalin were unbelievably shameful at best. Thank you for your efforts to preserve history
They killed a group of people on the basis of religion. In the mean time in the ussr you could have a good life if you shut up.
@@miradics3988 Tell that to the millions who died in Gulags, comerade
@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030 Those are poeple who went against the regime. You didn't really disprove anything.
@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030 Tell that to millions of "inferior" people lives snuffed out in Nazi gas chambers. You can't even compare the two, on fundamental level. One was a tyrannical regime. The other was the ultimate evil against humanity.
this is all an exaggeration or outright lie, created to discredit the image of the liberator of Eastern Europe and expose all the Peoples of the USSR at the present time as barbarians and beasts no better than the Nazis.
Never forget the atrocities commuted in Katyn
Yes, those Germans killing poles with Walthers in German occupied Poland.
The Soviets were the ones responsible for it, not the Germans. And it was not even in Poland. In fact the Soviets blamed the Germans for it and denied the killings of the Poles until they admitted the massacre in 1990. How stupid are you???
@@SB-mg1wy lol. It was the Russians.
@@StarDroid877 Gorbachev and Eltsyn were traitors and they fabricated all documents about Katyn.
@@StarDroid877 in 1920 Polishs killed 20.000 soviet pows. In 1940 Soviets executed 4.000 Pole war criminals. Is there any problem?
Meanwhile Hitler is forbidden on the internet, while USSR and Stalin are somewhat a meme today and treated like nothing ever happened.
I'm happy to see someone is speaking about this topic loud since western europe has never experienced atrocities of USSR and Stalin
You could also say that Western Europe have never experienced a invasion as brutal as the ussr did. I think it is easy to judge when not in that position, you know
*undoubtedly they are still awful atrocities*
but easy to put blame when people have also little emotional connection to 1945 and deaths are just figures in 2021 but in 45 are real people
@@elmascapo6588 not even close to eastern front in terms of deaths and exceptionally far away in terms of military involved.
problem is the soviets were committing major attrocities well before the invasion of the ussr@@MB-fe6ly
It’s extremely important to highlight these atrocities because now more than ever before among the youth the soviets have excuses made for them, and they are idolized.
What the Poles endured makes my heart hurt.
Like collaborating with Nazi Germany in 1938, and helping it rip apart Czechoslovakia and annexing Czech's Tesen region? Sure. Sufferring similar fate just a year later sounds like karma.
@@tees9651 why do we keep bringing up the matter with Czechoslovakia? Let me think.
Maybe because by Britain and France signing Munich Pact with Hitler and allowing him rip apart Chechoslovakia, seize control over it's huge military industry, and build thousands of tanks on czech's Skoda and Tatra factories (later used by Germans in an upcoming big war), has made World War 2 inevitable?!
And guess what? Poland was Hitler's ally back then, and even took part in tearing apart Czechoslovakia, by annexing czech's Tesen region! Is this what you refer to as "peaceful process"?
At this point the beginning of World War 2 was just a matter of time!
Mind you, all this took place in 1938, a year BEFORE Molotov-Ribbentrop pact!
USSR was THE LAST one to sign a pact with Nazi Germany, AFTER many other countries (Britain. France, Italy, Littuania, etc) have signed similar pacts with them (Poland being the FIRST one back in 1934, google Hitler-Pilsudsky pact).
And yeah, this narration may only be read in Russia, because some other countries don't like to talk about it too much, lol
I do realize that it is convenient for you to keep thinking Germany and USSR were the only two bad guys in that big game, and the rest of countries were white and innocent, but unfortunately, the reality is more complicated, and there were many players in it.
Poland is as guilty at taking part in starting WW2 as others!
And yes, I'm sure Stalin did sent Hitler birthday wishes before beginning of WW2, just like the rest of European politicians did! It is called diplomatic ethics, duuh!
@@antona.4572 Oh dear, you should really educate yourself on the history of events you're spitting nonsense about. Tesen was an inherently Polish region, where Poles constituted the large majority of inhabitants. This area was invaded by Czechslovakia in 1919 before its affilliation could be decided diplomatically at the Paris Peace Conference. The Polish government proposed that a plebiscite would be organised in Tessen to decide its future but the Czechs declined it knowing that the majority of its population would decide to join Poland so they waited until Poland, who was fighting a war with the Bolsheviks at the time, was severely weakened to exploit Poland's difficult situation. They exploited the fact that there were hundreds of thousands of Soviet troops advancing at Warsaw and proposed to the Western Powers that in exchange for giving Tesen to Czechoslovakia, the Czechoslovak government would allow military equipment, which was crucial to the Poles, to pass through their territory. The Polish government agreed to this outrageous proposition because it had no other choice - without this military equipment there would have been no Polish state anymore at all as we would most likely have lost to the Soviets. In the interwar period, the Polish majority was persecuted and discriminated against by the Czechoslovaks - Poles were not allowed in the public administration, Polish schools were closed down and Polish culture was repressed by the Czechoslovaks. That's why in 1938, after the Munich Conference, in which Poland did not take part and had no influence on the decisions that were made there, Poland decided to finally take back what was ours and we gave Czechoslovakia an ultimatum that they accepted. The decision on which areas would be incorporated back into Poland was made based on ethnicity as some territories were swapped with Czechslovakia to ensure that only Polish land would be taken. As a result, out of the 218,000 inhabitants of imcorporated Tesen, approximately 200,000 were Poles - that's over 90%! It doesn't matter whether Poland would have or would not have taken back its territory in 1938, Czechslovakia would still have fallen into the German sphere of influence and H*tler would still have begun his expansion. The fate of Czechoslovakia was already decided prior to us retrieving Tesen - Poland had absolutely zero influence over the outcome of the Munich Conference. What we did was exploit the temporary weakness of Czechoslovakia - the same thing they did to us in 1919 so you stating that Poland was an ally of H*tler and contributed to the outbreak of the second world war is historical nonsense that has become a centerpiece of Russian anti-Polish propaganda. I advice that you read a bit about the treatment of Poles under Czechoslovak rule between 1919 and 1938 and tell me whether all those people deserved to be stripped of their dignity and national identity. Lastly, I think it was the Czechoslovak government that tasted karma in 1938 when they got precisely what they deserved ;)
@@bartoszczech1182 thank you for the insight, I didn't know about Tesen region.
I do realize that Poland was trying to get their lands back, (even though it did annex some of western Belarus lands after attacking Soviet Russia in 1918-21, exploiting the fact the Russia was torn apart by it's own civil war), and even to day, some of Polish lands (Lemberg/Lvov and Halycia) are still a part of Ukraine. But in general, Munich Pact signed with Hitler by Britain and France in 1938, which has allowed Nazi Germany seize Czechoslovakia and obtain large amounts of weapons and military equipment from Czechs' factories and supplies for an upcoming big war, has untied Hitler' hands and made WW2 inevitable.
Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, signed a year later, which was later extensively used by anti-Soviet, and later, anti-Russian propaganda, already had no influence on further development of events, and was USSR's last (and unsuccessful) attempt to secure it's back (just like Munich pact for Britain and France was a year before).
BTW, the situation with Tesen region you described, very much reminds me of situation with Crimea, where the population of the region - against their will - has ended up under the jurisdiction of another state, hostile to their language and culture, and the government of the state would strongly oppose conducting a referendum in the region, because it knew the region population would vote for returning under the jurisdiction of their home land.
Sounds familiar?
@@antona.4572
1. The Munich Conference was a conclusion of the policy of Appeasement that failed miserably and instead of preventing Germany from expanding it helped Hitler fulfill his goals and only France and Great Britain can be blamed for it.
2. Poland didn't take any land from the Russians. After the sigining of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and the following loss of the First World War by Germany, the entire territory of today's Belarus and Ukraine was a no-man's land so it was only natural for the newly reborn Polish state to expand to the east and regain ethinicaly Polish territories that were lost over a century earlier. At the same time, the Bolsheviks decided to spread the communist revolution to the west and eventually both sides met "in the middle" and a war began that concluded in the Treaty of Riga which wasn't quite satisfactory for Poland as hundreds of thousands of Poles remained in territories controlled by the USSR (These people were later exterminated by the Russians during the "Polish Action" of NKVD)
3. The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact changed literally everything because it created an official alliance between Germany and USSR and included details of how Poland would be divided between the two. It was also the backbone of the later cooperation of Germans and the Soviets in the extermination of Polish intelligentsia in occupied territories. So from the Polish perspective the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was important as hell.
4. Yeah, those two cases definitely have similarities but they are not 100% the same as the historical and political background is quite different.
What disgust me is that at school they always tell you that the liberating-troops were kinda like heroes, where everyone was happy and "brutality years" ended.
Learning what actually happened makes it infinitely much worse since the r*ping and tortures continued until 1948-49.
And the fact that they went away unpunished-... Disgusting.
And this comment made me appreciate the school I went to even more.
you shouldnt bring attention about this because it diverts attention away from the real crime of the ww2 which is the holocaust. no one should care that other crimes happened when 6 million jews died
Im in yr 10 rn and in history we are about to move into the cold war and Russia in WW2. Im lithuanian, cannot wait to hear about how the same people who almost erased my culture and deported hundreds of thousands of us away to never be seen again, have somehow liberated me.
There are no differences between Nazi and Soviet atrocities. The fact that one murderous, totalitarian regime became our ally because they were invaded by another murderous, totalitarian regime doesn't absolve them of their guilt.
@@КириллКирилл-х5ы That's true.
The difference is that the Communists killed 4x as many
@@dddd-uk4vn I can't see how you could call any western country bad after watching this. I honestly feel like the wars during the Cold War were justified
They became an ally since the war was about Jews who declared war on Germany in 1935.
The American wars in the middle east if also for the benefit of that racist tribe.
@@Banana-sb1hi yo WW2 started in 1939 with the invasion of Poland, what the hell r u even saying
Before WW2, 176,000 Koreans in the Far East were deported to Central Asia and many gradually lost their culture. Additionally, tens of thousands of them died on the way. This was done for several reasons, including fears of them spying for Japan, as Korea was part of Japan at the time. They were caught in the middle. Kind of like Poland.
You should do a video about the war crimes committed by the allied powers. Obviously they aren’t to the extent or horror of the Nazis, Japanese or Soviets, but they still happened and don’t get talked about nearly enough
The Soviet was a allied power...
@@cmurderfrumpbottoniv8647 by allied powers I meant America, Britain, France, and all the minors like Canada, Australia and New Zealand
U.S. already committed a far worse genocide called Manifest Destiny, and the British killed almost 2 billion during their occupation of India.
No in fact it should cover all major atomistic perform by the allied power you going to find that they won't that much better than the germans.
@@kittenmastermind660 Point is, people keep nailing these war crimes to idiology when most of the time it is always about racial hatred. Did they really thing when the ussr invaded Poland they didn't do any pillaging or raping because the Polish weren't nazis or when communist China invaded Vietnam they didn't do any pillaging and raping just because both are communist. The French probably did some too, it was mentioned in an American documentary I saw once
My grandfather lived in Lwow, when the soviets invaded he and his family were kidnapped and sent to a gulag. His two sisters both under the age of ten died on the trip there. He was forced to work at the age of 13. His family was one of the only ones to escape because he was recruited into the RAF and went to Iran. The rest either died in the camp or were forced onto the front line.
People, who sold their motherland and massacred their own people with the Nazis, was just scum and deserved to get shot....
@@mikhailalmaz Found another Soviet Bootlicker.
@Reena KT what is your problem? Are we going to be ignorant and continue to promote Cold War propaganda? It is important to remember mistakes in order to prevent them... But if the US and liberal politicians like to criticize the Soviet times, why don't they critisize themselves, then??? For example the genocide in a disguisting way on natives??? Why isn't that a reason to say that capitalism is bad, because many people were killed??
Let me guess, he was an innocent Nazi collaborator just minding his own business and giving up Jews to the wehrmacht.
@@kristoffer3000 right
There's no end to this list, you've made a good start. The Soviet destruction of the historic buildings throughout Kiev during the summer of 1941 and their self-serving blaming of the Nazis ranks right up there among their many crimes.
Yeah, the Nazis were such good people. Man, are you okay? Germans were so evil that they even tortured and gassed small children even babies.
Remember the Soviets started out the war as the allies of the Nazi. The only reason they wound up on the right side is the Nazi betrayed them, it wasn’t due to any action on the Soviets part.
F in history I guess? If the Soviets and Nazis were allies they would have conquered the entire world. They had an agreement that they would not attack each other. That did not make them allies. Your school system is trash.
Learn history, litle facist
Bro the USSR and the Germans hated eachother due to their ideologies, Stalin himself was preparing for an offensive attack against the Germans in 1945
@@Sleve_McDichael1 Yes. So what the US and the Soviet Union were allies as well and they hated each other too. Stalin thought he would eventually have to fight Germany. He wasn’t an idiot he read Mein Kampf he knew exactly what the Germans thought of Slavs and the Soviet Union. None of that stopped him from allying with Germany at the start of the war for their mutual benefit.
@matthewhuszarik4173 The U.S didn't call for the total extermination of the Slavic peoples, and the Non Aggression Pact was simply so that both of them can deal with other matters until they can actually fight eachother, "betrayal" was inevitable