FST vs. TimberTek vs. LFT - Exploring the Tomo Evo from the inside (and the Sci-fi, Omni and more)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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The Slater Designs Sci Fi, and Omni, as well as other boards designed by Daniel 'Tomo' Thomson are made in a range of Firewire Technologies, from Future Shapes to Linear Flex to Timbertek. This video explains the difference between each Firewire Tech, and illustrates how the way a surfboard is built can impact your surfing, just as the way its shape does.
All three of the Firewire techs in this video are seen in a range of shapes from Jon Pyzel to Rob Machado and Slater Designs, in shapes like the Pyzalien, Slab and Almond Butter and Creeper.
Which Firewire tech is your favorite?
love FST and Timber tek.
But i do like foot wells that mould to your feet, would love a board with LFT deck skin and FST bottom that would be an awesome combo.
I've felt FST has the most of that "corky" feel that you get with EPS foams. Both boards I've had in FST also had big compressions on the deck where my front foot goes. The only thing i found to reduce that corky feel was to go down in volume a fair bit but then sacrificing paddle power. This took me back to PU boards. Not sure if LFT would feel closer to a PU board? The only thing that's drawing me to back alternative technologies is the retention of flex over time compared to PU boards but then the buoyancy needs to feel similar to PU. Can't have it all I guess...
I've got a TT Evo, and have been loving it. Even more so seeing that the FST version shown is a prototype, not heading to shops, etc.
how and where did you get your TT evo?
I live in Costa Rica, and had my local distributor bring one in for me. Placed the order in late July, but everything in Costa Rica takes a little bit longer. Have had it since early October.
You can likely find Timbertek Evo's at one of the surf shops near you now. We made them widely available this month.
Does anybody have any insight to LFT durability? I have a chance to buy an Evo in LFT and just wondering if it’ll ding, pressure marks or snap easily.
I’m surfing beach breaks that are head high at most
When r u going to explain the Helium Tech compared just like this vid __ Thanks
Chris Grow from Shred Show! what upppp? yew braddah stoked for ya
Thanks @thomas_25
i have a Spitfire in "FSP" construction that i bought on craigslist. I can't find seem to find any information on FSP on the web? anyone know what FSP is?
Loving the Tomo shape HOWEVER a lot of people have said they won't part with the cash until they come in FST!!!
You didn't comment on it, but I picked up on something from the cut-away. They have figured out a way to do something I have had various ideas about for a long time, but their idea is better and more advanced than Mine. Namely, they have the stringer below the surface of the deck, allowing for the foam to get crushed down, without causing it to crack along the stringer, like what happens with typical surfboards. This aids in not getting water intrusion through the cracks and prevents delaminization of the deck from the foarm. -- Briliant!
Thanks for noticing Mike. You're right about LFT. Its designed to have the footwells some surfers love but without the risk of cracking where the deck would meet the stringer in other center stringed boards.
Have a 5'5 evo- LFT. Got it last July and for 6 months it felt like the best board I've ever had. From 2-5 foot all types of waves it was the bomb. Only problem, it doesn't now. It feels like it lost its 'pop' very quickly. I felt the same thing happened with a sweet potato (rapid fire) . Both boards felt great for a period then almost lost their response within a few surfs. Not sure if this is a common concern?
hi mate.... same thing here. my evo tomo is nit the aame after 4 months and SUPER fragile. it cracks with the lightest bumbs. I also have the Vader in fst fot kitesurfing and the board holds up very well... I don't understand how the fst is lighter than the lft.... my 5'6 tomo feels lighter than the 5'1 Vader fst.
good info, FST da bess.strong, light, durable, springy, make all models in this its da bess, i would buy um all and i can take it out in all conditions knowing theres gonna be performance and its not gonna break, aloha, g
Awesome - this helps me work out what sort of board to get to go with my Vanguard on a trip to the Mentawais - great stuff
Chris! Shred Show was my favorite board review video and I'm happy you got this great Gig, but please don't forget to keep it fun, wacky and light! There may be pressure to keep it more professional and talk slower and not be as wacky, but that's what made Shred Show so great. Keep it Funny and loose! Not over produced and scripted! That said, I found the video informative and look forward to more, but hope they let you loosen up. My friends been raving about the Evo as LFT. Can't wait to borrow his. Also, I'd love to hear where this stuff falls spec (flex and weight) Vs. a classic PU board.
Thanks for sharing this Lexus. Wacky forever.
Why dont you use balsawood on the deck as well?
I'm just curious. How do the deck skins yellow compared to a poly surfboard?
no more than a normal pu or epoxy board just dont leave it in the sun when you store it
I all honesty although much better durability wise, they do yellow worse than a PU/PE board, i think its the epoxy resin.
Good morning FireWire,A quick question 4U,& then some.Purcahased a
6'2"Omni for the Winter here in NJ.Yes NJ,& we do get good surf, Especially in the WINTER.Thusly, I chose a 6'2" Omni.Thinking that 6'2" was going 2b
2sm, Being a solid200 lbs,w/all the winter gear:5mm gloves & booties;RipCurl Flashbomb Technology.Works well 4 my cold needs in the NE.
Anyway I find that my 6'2" Omni works rather well in the more powerful surf& not as well in smaller, weaker surf.I also feel that I could go a bit shorter6'0" or maybe even 5'10 for a " better fit"+ a loss of 10+ lbs.Unless your coming out w/a
groveler???
Thanks...
DC/CNJ👍
Question: Why has Machado decided to go with LFT for the Go Fish after using solely TimberTek for the Creeper and Almond Butter?
Rob will be on The Wire podcast this month. Maybe I'll get into it with him.... In the meantime... If you look at his three new boards (Go Fish, Midas and Almond Butter) they all have the same concave. Somehow Rob got to feeling that LFT was most in sync with his three new shapes, and around here, Rob gets what he wants without us asking too many questions :). So his new boards are in LFT.
Cheers. Looking forward to the new episode. Thanks for the in depth answer, I might have to go and feel up a Go Fish and Midas to compare with my Almond Butter.
Thanks, very informative, i am currently riding the omni, plus an old favourite, the jacknife in FST, the 7'6"Seaxe and two flex flight longboards in timbertek. Durability wise the timbertek rules for me, followed by the FST.
I find the 7'6" Seaxe at 3" thick ideal but i have yet to find a fin setup i am happy with. Any feedback from you or others appreciated.
instaBlaster
well, 2.9 kg for a PU construction is a lot. I asume that board is something like 5'10? Any pro poly glasser could take it to 2.6 if not below with a light foam blank.
I miss your show Chris. I hope they r treating you well.
I love FST, found that RF are super weak, TT isnt bad but usually have some cracks or split of wood when used for long. Havent tried LFT but looks weaker then FST.
Awesome video. I was just thinking to myself "I wonder how those TT and FST Evo's compare to my LFT Evo"? 🤔. You just answered that question! Thanks for the video! 👌🏼😎
Locally handshaped boards i definitely prefer. But these guys are makin waves...
nice Shred Show flavour to FireWire ....they are lucky to have you bring your magic to their wizard company
I'm riding a Lost Round Nose Fish in TimberTek, loving it, fist FireWire, first fish, would love to get few waves on the Sci Fi
How to repair dings on my fire wire
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7'0 AddVance and 5'10 Greedy Beaver here. TT. Because I like it.
How does LFT strength compare to the original RapidFire boards (wood deck)? I've never even dinged any of my FST boards, yet I've snapped clean through two RapidFires...so I'm very wary of switching to LFT considering how much money RF cost me.
LFT is much stronger than the original RapidFire boards.
6'6 Timber Submoon.
can i order a baked potato in LFT? i haven't seen on in any shops in florida
I prefer FST because it is stronger lighter and no dings on the deck
I have one of the early LFT Baked Potatoes and it's waaaay stronger than any of the more recent LFT boards I've had. I've surfed it for years now and the deck is still dent free when I remove the wax. Bought an LFT Evo a while back and had foot/knee dents after a single session.
I second that.
Bro I just like to listen to you talk about surfboards in general
Great informative video! You really nail these clips. Have a Evo LFT. Would have been great to look at other options of the Evo, but i have not seen those other versions in Australia? Thanks again for such interesting approaches of presenting that you do Chris.
Thanks Wayne, always good to see you in the comments of these videos. In Australia, you can probably find the Timbertek Evo in many shops now. If not yet, within the next couple weeks. Currently, the FST Evo is just a prototype and it's not available anywhere.
How does helium compare to these three, is it more durable?
Yes a The EVO IN FST !!!!!! can't wait to buy it. and now the VADER in FST !!!!
Is this true?? I've looked but yet to see one. Love my LFT Evo but would replace with FST
2 questions. why can't we just order boards directly from firewire and is it possible to have an evo in fst
Just this month the Evo became available at many surf shops in Timbertek for the first time ever, and even though we've made a few test prototypes of the Evo in FST, we don't' have plans to release it to surf shops right now. In regards to surf shops - we think they're an integral part of what makes surf culture so special, and we want to support them, so for the moment, they are the only place where you can find Firewire Surfboards.
so shred show guy is in FW marketing now?
i ride a stringer board but i really want a timber tech
I have all three - Timbertek is such a strong board. Great for traveling. And... where did you get an LFT Evo??? must be only for insiders huh?
Bajapalm the Evo has been in LFT sience it came out
Yes doh! I meant to write FST-
Would love an FST Evo, I have the LFT Evo (and it's awesome)
thanks
We need almond butter in fst??? I'm waiting
Great video Chris. Once again you provided an excellent explanation on a topic we all had questions about. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, Rigel!
Good video... I've gone through about 13 or so boards in the last 11 months, all but 2 were Firewire, and found by far my favorite construction to be FST. Currently have 8 boards on my rack, 4 of which are Firewire - all FST. Tried RF, LFT, TT and of course FST. RF seemed very similar to LFT (but with carbon rods instead of the springer?), both techs dinged too easily for me, though still OK, just prefer the durability of FST. TT on the other hand, I had a bad experience with and would find it hard to trust again, as it was constantly getting splits along the grain for such minor things PU boards wouldn't ding over... was in for repairs more than it was in the water.
13 boards!!!!?? 13 x £700 = £9100, this doesn't include fins pads leashes. Nor wetsuit gear, that's insane what job do you do? Can you buy me one I'm struggling to afford one board as they're so ridiculously priced now
@@Ed-wm8dx you're right, that would be nuts 🤪 - a little less nuts was the way I was doing it ("was" because I don't have as much time to go surfing as I used to 😟)
I haven't actually bought a brand new board in years 😉 most of my boards were bought and sold on Gumtree second hand... 99% of the time resold for what I bought them for (which was the key to being able to do this - and the fact that the second hand board market is pretty big on the gold coast).
It all started after I originally used to hang onto a single *new* board I'd use for everything - then every few years would move into another new board, until a bit over 7 years ago, I bought a new board that I absolutely hated.
I couldn't afford another new board so soon after just buying one, so started looking on Gumtree etc for something I might like better, and over the next 5 or more years got obsessed with finding the perfect board, buying and selling more than 50 second hand boards in that time... I'd only buy a board that was priced well enough I knew I'd be able to re-sell for the same money if I didn't like it.
I found that generally, firewires were the easiest to resell... Haven't really done it much for the past couple of years both due to lack of time as well as being pretty happy with the quiver of boards I ended up with 😁
BTW - my comment above was a long time ago now... Been through a lot more boards since then, but I still like the old FST construction, as well as the newer helium construction from firewire, but one of my favourite boards has turned out to be an old Tomo SKX in LFT, which I still can't seem to get off of in months as my daily driver... It still goes so well for me, I just don't feel any urgency to try something new like I used to (of course there's always new boards I keep an eye out for, in case a bargain pops up on Gumtree etc 😉 )
@@ingoFX where I am from, you're whats called, a bullshitter. thankyou goodnight, no need to fight your corner
When does the fst and tt come available in surf shops in ventura county California
You'll see Timbertek Evo's begin to show up in surf shops in late November and December. The FST Evo in this video is a prototype. No plans to release it to surf shops at the moment. But there are other new shapes coming soon in FST.
Men never stop doing this is so helpful. cheers keep it up!
Sucks that we dont get to hear you talk about other brands as much dude.. your reviews are the bomb.
Thank you! Right now I'm excited most by Firewire and crew of designers they work with like Machado, Pyzel, Slater, etc, so that's what I'm spending my time on. Appreciate you watching a ton, and hope you enjoy what comes later in 17'.
Awesome video. I have a question. Almost everyone on forums etc who rides Firewire seems to prefer FST construction followed by TT so why is it that so many models are only made in LFT? I hear so many people saying they would be sure to buy certain models if they were available in FST or TT. Why then, do Firewire release their most popular models in their least popular tech?
The way that each shape gets built is usually a mix of what surfers are asking for, and what the board designer prefers... For example, Rob Machado was excited by TImbertek, so his Almond Butter and Creeper were made that way, and Tomo prefers LFT most of the time, which is part of the reason the Sci-Fi and Omni were released in LFT, with Kelly Slater's support. Any specific model you want to see in TT or FST?
Thanks for the reply. I would LOVE an Omni in FST. Dream board. The thing is I just can't justify spending full price on LFT because the main reason I can justify spending the money on Firewire is the durability of them. Also, the eco issue is important to me and a disposable surfboard is not eco no matter how much bioresin you throw at it. Thanks again for the reply, I really appreciate it. Also should say I love your shapes, innovation and philosophy. I'm just frustrated that so many of the boards I would love to ride aren't made in FST.
Thanks for your thoughts - what about an Omni in Timbertek? As interesting as FST? Or FST is the only thing that would get you going? Considering this now...
I would definitely consider TT. I had a TT Potatonator which I liked once I got used to the lower flex and it was certainly very durable. I really like everything about TT except for the flex which I think lacks a bit of spark. For me, FST has the best balance of flex and durability of any surfboard on the market today. I know lots of people agree with me too. With my salary I could never justify buying LFT at full/new price!
Love my 4'10 Vader FST
FST Hashtag the perfect one board quiver chuck a quad in it and it eats barrels for breakfast
thanks for that! We should change our description of this board on Firewire's website to your wording :).
haha it's truly a sick board and it really suits some of the softer and heavier waves here in NZ huge props to you guys what a gem
Keep on kickin' ass Chris, loved shred show now lovin' da wire!
Thank you Stephen.
TT look is the best
So there is an Evo in FST????
Currently no. We've made prototypes but haven't got anything ready to release yet.
Thx!
*Sup fam*
Shark search crew!
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I just bought a FireWire cymatic in the LFT construction. I noticed small indentions on the stringer on the bottom. Barely noticeable but if you run your hands down the board you can feel slight indentions. The occur about every 2-1/2” and run almost the entire length of the board. I don’t think it’ll make a difference in riding🤞. Have you seen or heard of this before
i can pop up easy and apadpt and learn fast. still learning to ride the face go let and go right. still learning bottom turns. i weigh 66kg. ideally should be around 62 63 kg. ht 165cm. fit and good stamina. surf mainly kuta bali and gerupuk bay lombok 4 times a year if lucky. but when i am out i am in the water morning till sunset or until my arms fall off or when the wife says shes had enough. want something small with bit of performance to develop on. no sharp points so i dont poke others in the water or myself. small enuf with sufficient volume to get in easily and paddle out. something that looks good design wise and functional. hang on my living room wall. easily carry on planes. is durable. dont want to be lugging around a mini mal or renting something i cant call mine. other surfboard dont look as good. i am in love with the evo's design and want an evo fst or tt. where do i get me one. will a 5'8 suit me? call me stupid but i just want the one board that i can accomplish 80% of my surfing on. i am not a die hard surfer looking to do airs anytime soon or riding waves i cant handle under the water.
I have a sci fi
Hi Jack! How do you weight and what size your Sci-Fi?
I am about 75 lbs. and the board is 5 foot1