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Mate you're using YT. I get p0rn ads constantly if I turn off my adblock. Why? cos I have disabled personalized ads. Also 50% of ads on YT are malvertising so that's fun. You can poke a lotta X and Elon but not when it comes to the "quality" of ads
No... he told advertisers to f off because they were effectively attempting to bribe a collude. Elon cares about big society matters. Regardless if he will looses or the suite is bad he's on the right side here.
point number 1. is pretty irrelevant. because numbrer 2 is still organized boycott which is pushing the envelope of legality, collusions as such counts as unfair business practices and antitrust. so the lawsuit elon is doing might have merit on point 3. i think point 1 was a response to their threats, he said if you want to go break the law then do so, i can't stop you.(well actually he can with lawsuit, or atleast seek some justice of somesort that way).
@@henlohenlo689did you watch the video? It isn’t illegal, and given that all the advertisers who have left did not do it all at once and some left based on shareholders votes, there was no collusion.
There was an account on X with over 10k followers that appeared on my main page. "Don't click this if your sensitive". Me thinking of it's going to be something stupid clicked on it and then saw dozens of suicide/killing videos underneath which are completely unrelated to most content I actually watch/read on X appearing on MY home page. The fact that Elon can't understand why advertisers don't want to be on it is insane. I am a vet; I have seen drones blow up dozens of people. I am not what I would call a sensitive person. I still don't wish to watch someone get beheaded by a train "for the lols".
god dam ! it happen to me too ! and with the exacte same "Don't click this if your sensitive" account poping on my feed while i was only using twitter to check out fantaisy artist and gaming news. And after that it was all over my feed so i completly quit the app
Gross. Sounds like a website popular in the early 2000s. That was the point I decided to curate carefully what I watch because I'm not interested in death p*rn.
@Aaron.Thomas I guess they could if there was some sort of contract in place? Like, you must use this platform for 1 year? I cant imagine it would hold up.
And I’m pretty sure that lady didn’t believe a frakking word that came out of her mouth. She’s paid to be there and make herself look like a total fool.
I hate to point this out, but it sounds like Trumps speech writer " Them attacking me is the same as them attacking you. If they can come after me. Then they can come after you." That trying to pretend that the thing Unique to them, is the same thing we're facing. He talked smack about the advertisers. Trying to call their bluff figure. They were going to come crawling back and grovel, only to find out that they meant it.
@@CarbideSixShe went to X because she had hit the glass ceiling at NBC where she was before. That’s all. She wanted to make it to C-level exec status, so she jumped ship to work with Elon and try to bring advertisers back. That’s her only job.
Me: hmm, I think I'll just make coffee at home today Starbucks: You're targeting our company by not giving us your business, you shall be hearing from our lawyers shortly
@@pudgenet Yet you give no reason to believe you. What is really going on according to you? Where is the best place to get the information that won't mislead anyone?
xkcd said it best. "The 1st ammendment does not shield you from criticism or consequences. If you're yelled at, boycotted, have your show canceled, or get banned from an internet community, your free speech rights aren't being violated. It's just that the people listening think you're an asshole, and they're showing you the door."
@@Archone666re-read the quote, it’s not about whether or not people are being reasonable or unreasonable, it’s just pointing out that boycotts, being banned from internet communities, etc. aren’t a violation of your right to free speech.
I work for the marketing department of a large auto group. I remember the day the decision was made to stop advertising on X. One of our sales reps had made a call to our marketing manager saying they'd had a complaint from management at one of our dealership's because they had seen an add for one of our vehicles directly next to a video that contained content that was extremely racist towards immigrants. A meeting was held between marketing and the board of directors and the decision was made that, until we felt the content displayed next to our adds was appropriate for our brand message, we would stop all advertisement. Over the following 12 months our sales actually increased, this doesnt mean we believe leaving X caused our sales to go up but we always pay attention to how where we advertise affects sales results. Even without all the objective things on X, this data alone is reason enough to not go back. Why would we spend extra money to extend advertising when we're on an upward trajectory? Our company isn't part of any of the organisations listed in the suit, I'm just adding a company perspective.
The exact same thing happened to a friend of mine who works for a medium-sized insurance company in Southern California. Like 70 percent of their clientele is Latino, and their tweets kept coming up next to anti-immigrant rants.
@@yurikendal4868 *Recent immigrants, there, is it better now? Also "anyone can have money" is an idiotic statement that has very little meaning and I shouldn't need to explain why.
The ball can possibly roll the other way where entities will claim to be a victim of SLAPP suits and punish those trying to pursue true justice. By this I mean that such a federal law should be written very wisely. Then again, if it's successful at a state level, it could be legitimately upheld at a federal level if the law is passed.
@@volts_n_bolts It's 100% worth rolling the dice on it and letting judges set legal precedent; that's also part of their job. The scenario you describe is entirely hypothetical, while SLAPP suits have objectively wrecked peoples finances and/or coerced others to withdraw legitimate legal action or be deterred from seeking justice.
I am wondering in my country it is standard procedure that the loser of a case has to pay the legal fees for both sides(with a few specific exceptions), is that not the case in the US and if so, why ?
@@nikespen768 Not sure. I think it would reduce frivolous and SLAPP suits though. With the risk of having to pay your opponent's fees as well as your own, people may be less likely to sue without good reason, and since the victim of a SLAPP suit will not be financially ruined, SLAPP suits would lose their potency.
Being a profit-seeking corporation meant it was *always* more like private, rather than public, property. But yes, the blatant removal of usability for the account non-holders made that truth much more abundantly clear.
Tumblr is, and has always been, a better representation of a town square given that it usually has the energy of a bus stop at around 10pm on a Saturday night
@@Account.for.Comment It's not as busy as before, but far from a truly dead site. Goncharov, a very tumblr sort of phenomenon, happened after the adult content ban. And I think there was a time when Reddit users flooded in because they were upset with Reddit or something. There's definitely recent topics trending, people reacting to new social media stuff like Olympions and TV shows, etc.
One thing I dislike about Elon is that he reaffirms how many people will blindly worship anyone with money. People defend him like he singlehandedly cured cancer...
@@arrowbliss2515 "The human organism always worships. First it was the gods, then it was fame (the observation and judgment of others), next it will be the self-aware systems you have built to realize truly omnipresent observation and judgment." - Morpheus, Deus Ex (2000)
Exactly lol. Pretty rich for someone who didn’t like the way California was being run and moved his business elsewhere. The state isn’t suing him for leaving
Free speech until he doesnt agree with it. Free markets until the free market decides to not do business with him. Innovation until it threatens his business(California high speed rail)
The general mindset of Conservatives and Capitalists: all's fair until it bites me, and then it's not fair at all! "Rules for thee but not for me" holds true almost every case I've seen in my entire life. When we *dare* make use of the rules to finally make things fair and equitable, they want to change the rules and make them more harsh to punish us. Every time. Musk is free speech until someone disagrees with him: start suing them in places he can hold them down until they run out of resources. Corporations are free market until real competition happens along, or labor fights against executives for better treatment. It always holds true.
In my for you tab I had an ad sitting underneath a tweet that said something like "we owe this guy an apology" and it was a picture Adolf Hitler. Not really sure I can blame companies for not wanting to associate with Twitter anymore
@@SusieBlup Not on Twitter but does ad block work on the tweets? It didn't sound like he was complaining about the ad itself but that its placement next to an objectionable tweet might affect how people view the ad. Using ad block on ads with that kind of placement would just further reduce the ad engagement and speed the company's withdrawal from Twitter as an effective advertising platform.
@@wartgin I got confused, I thought the Hitler thing was the ad not the tweet, that's why I suggested using adblock... funny how twitter's state made me think it was totally feasible 🥴
dirty politicians need these appointed judges to handle their cases and those of the donor class if it was auto recuse they would be forced to take their chances with an honest judge something they are clearly not comfortable with
Yea guys i`m sure a dumb and emotional guy could run Tesla,space ex, neurolink, be the richest man in the world... This must be the dunning kruger effect LOL
yeah, especially since advertisers will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes, even before the lawyers ... i'll just see myself out ...
Free speech to Musk just means he gets to say whatever he wants and we all have to listen, and what he has to say is just regurgitated crap from the past.
Me saying or doing something you disagree with is free speech and therefore legally protected. You saying or doing something I disagree with is an attack on free speech and is therefore illegal
Well you know, I'm startin to think a white South African whose father owned an emerald mine doesn't have a good idea of what constitutes as "not racist."
its funny that he put out a bounty for the location for the emerald mine, and then when HIS DAD asked him if he could claim the bounty, Elon quietly took the bounty down.
@@mason96575 Meh with that kind of money its really easy to sweep that under rug hence the bounty being posted then pulled lol. I mean South Africa is kind of corrupt lol
@@JohnRandall7 African Apartheid, specifically in South Africa where there was major racial segregation. The system primarily benefited the white minority population there, meaning, Elon Musk and his family.
Advertisers: "We don't want to be associated with openly racist, transphobic, or antisemitic content. For some of us it's a moral issue, for others it's practical." Musk: "If you don't like it, leave." Advertisers: "Okay." Musk: "WAIT NO"
Kind of, but the counterargument could be made that they're putting the screws to X to make sure they'll stay in line with the pricing, and also trying to make it less obvious. I don't think that rebuttal destroys the price fixing argument, but the price fixing argument is extraordinarily weak to begin with. Going by Occam's Razor I think you have to take GARM's words at face value since the position they've outlined is eminently reasonable, and explains their actions more cleanly than a price fixing conspiracy, based on the evidence presented so far.
Advertisers dont care about collusion with other advertisers, they just want results for their ad spend. Just 5 years ago they all pinched their nose and bought FB ads despite not liking Zuck, the simple fact of the matter is that if the advertisements work, they will come. And Twitter has always been the worst platform for ads. And now, its a liability. Imagine Walmart spending 5 million on a X ad spend, not seeing results, then when they choose not to renew the next quarter Musk starts tweeting and they get pulled into stupid culture war bs and a boycott. Advertising on X is a liability now.
At this point we're past a point of no return imo. Those aren't the kind of people you even want to bother cause they'll just comment/quote tweet you to death with 'go woke go broke' etc. Heck that's before the bots come in which could easily be targeted mass campaign against you. Still more value in Facebook, Insta, RUclips & dare I say TikTok is probably the best of them all if you want to revert back to family friendly (ish) stuff due to the OTT censorship of even cuss words. The tiktok algorithm is probably the least hate fuelled/red pilled of the bunch too, even if it is brain rot.
"I am being silenced for my Conservative views!" "Oh, wow, you're being silenced for wanting lower taxes?" "No, not those ones." "Advocating for private gun-ownership?" "No, not those ones either." "Which ones, then?" "Oh, you know the ones..." Someone did a pardoy of the Twitter CEO's video that was pretty good, I need to track it down again. That woman is clearly a victim of the Glass Cliff, though.
Also love @0:31 "We tried being nice for 2 years" ... yeah bud. Protecting the worst hate speech but banning the word cis. Nice. That's what advertisers really wanted all along.
When it tries to price fix or eliminate competition. So say I supply non-slip shoes to every restaurant in my town and you want to open your own company doing the same thing. If I go to every business and convince them to not use you by offering them a sweetheart deal then I'm unfairly eliminating competition and their boycott of you is illegal. Or say you're a laundry service and you're trying to establish yourself in a new town. If every business in that town says, "we aren't going to do business with you unless you give us a specific price" that's considered price fixing and market manipulation
2:59 "These were Chesterton fences that existed for a very good reason" So Chesterton's Fence is "a simple rule of thumb that suggests that you should never destroy a fence, change a rule, or do away with a tradition until you understand why it's there in the first place. The principle assumes that fences have a purpose, were carefully planned, and cost time and money to erect". I had no idea there was a term for that! It also relates to the importance of considering the spirit of the law (and not only the letter of the law)..
It’s not even a Chesterton fence. Everyone knew why the content moderation rules were in place. It wasn’t because these tech companies are woke propagandists. They were open about preventing objectionable content to ensure advertisers felt comfortable putting their content on the cites. The fact that Elon couldn’t see that before is embarrassing. The fact that he can’t see it now it baffling and a testament to how totally unhinged and out of touch he is. There literally must not be a single person left with a spine working in any proximity to Elon to let him know how ludicrous this whole thing is.
Appreciate the explanation, I was confused by the term too. Kind of reminds me of an important rule of home remodeling, you never knock down a wall unless you understand why it was put there. Some walls are decoration, some have crucial electricity or plumbing components, some are load bearing and keep the house up
@@AnimusVoxPopuli Well said. The owners don't care if you shout hateful stuff UNLESS that hateful stuff costs them money. Brands like Disney, who make money off looking family friendly, aren't going to want ads for Star Wars next to stuff promoting genocide
As a now-defunct comic once said: "People aren't using the internet to exercise their freedom of speech. They're using the internet to exercise their freedom from being punched in the mouth." ...Which pretty much sums up just about every single thing Musk has said or did in the last 5+ years.
I have a friend who epitomizes that. He LOVES to push buttons, but not in person (at least with me) because he's not actually able to take a punch. He tried me in person ONCE, he learned that day.
My Dad once told me what keeps us polite is the unspoken potential for violence contained in every human interaction. He called it the "Parking Lot Factor". IE, you can be drug out to a parking lot and beat for being rude.
America really needs to increase penalties for parties who file baseless/SLAPP lawsuits. This suit is just so weird because didn't Citizens United make money speech, and therefore, advertisers' non-participation is protected speech? Unless there's B2B contracts and advertisers pulling out early is causing performance issues, Elon literally has no leg to stand on in this at all. But because he's a billionaire he has the money to just SLAPP away anyways, such BS.
At the same time, youtube needs to get a handle on this new spam problem advertising literal cheese pizza. This is gonna get out to news orgs eventually, they can't thumb their nose at it for long.
Money being speech and a price fixing cartel are two different things. If Google loses its ad suit currently in court, this would also apply to a group of 3rd party managers coming together to control the ad market. There are tens of lawsuits in which legal scholars far above this have been wrong. From his defamation suit, to his layoffs and now the ad cartel running tail.
The Justice Department creates jobs however contentious the suits are. In Canada, the court can ban an individual once they are found abusive of their right to justice, aka vexatious litigious.
First thing we need is the threat to attorneys of getting disbarred if they proceed with frivolous suits. Clients are going to be stupid sometimes. They don't know the law, and you get a lot of idiots wanting to sue for a variety of stupid reasons. The attorney is supposed to be the voice of reason here telling the client he can't sue for that and stopping the lawsuit right there. Attorneys should know better, so if they sign their name to frivolous garbage that they know is wasting the court's time, then they better provide a really good explanation. Either they're deliberately misusing the law to bully someone smaller, or they're so incompetent as to think the lawsuit wasn't just drivel. Either way they don't belong in the legal profession. And once attorneys won't take these stupid cases, then you fix the problem. If Elon wants to be his own attorney than so be it, but he will have to show up to court personally, and fill out the forms personally. He won't do that.
I don’t even understand how he has so much money. They should start taking his assets away, well at least the ones that he doesn’t do anything with, so he’ll be left with just twitter.
The "business genius" that is Elon Musk, overpaid for the hottest strip-club in town and then proceeded to fire the bouncers, the accountants and the hottest strippers.. he then converted the strip-club into a Mexican pony show and now he is upset because advertisers don't want to be associated with a Mexican pony show.
I know it probably doesn't work like this, but simply his statement to advertisers directly being "if you don't like my site gtfo" should be grounds enough to have this dismissed. You can't tell advertisers to leave then sue them to stay...
100% agreed. The reaction from the interviewer after Musk's comment says it all. I think these edgy rich guys are confusing "tough" with "stupid." You can't treat others like garbage forever without facing some kind of self-induced punishment. Their lack of empathy is all posturing, right up until it hits them in the wallet.
That's just 1 of many ridiculous contradictions in this lawsuit. The suit is alleging secret conspiracy to compete unfairly, to companies that publicly announced their desire to not destroy their brands by ads appearing with hate content - companies that were customers, not competitors, of X.
Elon acknowledged he knew some advertisers would withdraw quietly, no problem. It was those who tried to threaten him that he spoke. Go back and listen again.
Like if Diogenes of Sinope had never turned to philosophy but instead lost all his money unwillingly and started shouting and throwing his shit at everyone else at the marketplace. Come to think, Diogenes did kinda do that anyway but in a based way.
The legal system in this country is screwed up. We had a group of Republicans try to have fake electors make Trump president but they still haven’t been tried after three and a half years. Reform Now!
I wonder, does Media matters have a case against the judge for not stepping aside despite the conflict? Seems like a federal antislap is needed for free speech to be actually free.
"Musk didn't understand" is pretty much accurate no matter which of Musk's companies we're talking about. SpaceX literally has a team of people whose only job is to keep Musk from mucking anything up while Gwynne Shotwell (who is a brilliant aerospace engineer and leader with decades of experience in the space industry) actually runs the company.
And you'll always get the occasional simp on the Internet who comes out swinging with gems like "You're just jealous he has money" or "if he's not a genius why does he still have control of those companies"
Thank you!!! Im a huge space nerd and i think what spacex is doing is really cool stuff (and also some less cool stuff, racist hiring practices etc) but hate elon musk and its so rare that anyone in or out of the space community acknowledges that he doesnt actually do shit at spacex
I love how much you can see Elon’s ego getting in the way of his own defences. You can’t both say “I have a great platform you’re missing out on by not using” and “I’m gonna sue you to use it since you don’t find any value in it”
Too many of you seem to miss the point of this and the other lawsuits: Musk knows he will lose the lawsuit but he believes, and is probably correct, that he will likely hurt if not outright shut down GARM through legal fees and wasted time as well as deter further actions against him. See Media Matters. See GARM dissolving. This isn't an insane man taking insane actions, this is a sane megalomaniac deliberately abusing the legal system to censor anyone who would criticize him and his agenda.
@@jonsmith-z1v He calls is censorship, the rest of the world calls it content moderation. We've had moderators and moderation for as long as we've had the internet. I remember connecting to IRC servers in the 90's, that had a "banner of the day" strictly prohibiting racism and nazism under threat of being banned.
I couldn't begin to articulate how desperately I would like to see Twitter utterly fall into obscurity and leave Space Karen with a $44B hole in his pocket.
I mean, he is being stupid enough to sue multi-million dollar advertisers who have more than enough money to beat him down in civil court 1000X over. At this point Disney can be described as a law firm that produces movies and streams cartoons as a side hustle.
the phrases "I believe in free speech" and "this is an illegal boycott" coming from the same person in the same paragraph is wild, this is the kind of stuff I'd see in a 2010's rage comic
The point of x is to imitate real life without censorship. Of course there will be nazis in real life and on x but if you censor them you no longer have free speech...
I thought when people said twitter has been taken over by Nazis, they were exaggerating. Boy how wrong I was! I made a new account and I don't even live in America but American politics and their Nazis were constantly shoven down my throat.
X is a useless name. News articles and podcasters have to say "X, formerly known as Twitter" because even they know that X is a vague name that could refer to many things.
My buddy is a director of some sub group at a large marketing firm in chicago. They do no advertising if Musk is attached. It 100% is decided entirely by data. He is so volatile, if he makes a reference to something or does something you cant know if it will do very well or go very wrong. Marketing isnt supposed to be gambling but calculated assessments of positive engagement. The platform is just too risky.
Yup staking your advertising dollars on a platform run by someone so capricious and random as Elon is not sound business strategy. I wouldn't touch his platform under any circumstances while he's basically the sole head honcho.
So basically this is like if Consumer Reports said the new Ram trucks were horribly unsafe, showed how the new Ram trucks were horribly unsafe, and many people chose not to buy them.. then Ram sued everyone who bought a Toyota Tundra or an F150.
Not really. This is more like an advertising monopoly using dodgy analysis to qualify Twitter as a “place for hate speech” with no actual statistical justification for the claim. Advertisers are free to advertise wherever they want. They cannot, however, collude in boycotting a specific service for political reasons. Elon is in the right.
Twitter advertisements don't even work. I saw these content creators try to purchase advertisements as a joke. One person only got one impression on their advertisement, and another person's ads were denied, and the company forced him to buy Twitter premium anyways. Customer support was non existent. Even if Twitter wasn't horrifically racist, twitter is broken lmao.
He fired the entire team responsible for dealing with bots pretty early in his take-over, by now the site has more bots than humans, so I'm not surprised the ads on there aren't really useful.
It's not really a X problem but online ads in general. How many of them do you guys click? Even if it was something I'm interested in I will google it myself rather than clicking an ad on youtube or some random website as I don't trust the ads. YT is full of scam ads, and that video you watched is likely not a great source.
@@Arthur_Grey34 poor excuses, YT ads are based on region, so in Asia I'm more likely to get chocolate or food ads from well-known brands not ads from suspicious grifters or even spreading fake medical advice like they do in the US. So you have your country's laws to thank for false advertisements.
@@Arthur_Grey34 usually ads offer more than one impression. Impressions are just the views people get, i think. And, if someone purchases an advertisement they should be guaranteed to get a certain amount of impressions. And, from my understanding it is illegal to make people pay for a product they didn't even purchase.
It's infuriating that a company has to shut down because some richer a-hole wants to see them gone. Even if you're right, you lose. Our legal system is stacked in a way that you have to be rich enough to be correct.
You have no idea. Try doing a civil suit. It literally is determined by how much money you have to spend. That is why Trump has used that means to get his (fraud) way his whole life...
It feels like the consequence of filing a slapp suit should be that if it resolves in your victim's favor, you immediately have to cover the cost of them fighting your suit, and pay them damages for wasting everybody's time.
@@mroberts673 also you need to have the money to get through the case in the first place reimbursment is irrelevant if you are gauranteed to run out of money first and defacto lose the case
Not sure if true but I heard that his employees try their hardest to avoid having their projects attract Musk's attention because he comes in and ruins it with stupid ideas that cost time and don't help at all.
Twitter is begging for advertisment revenue yet not showing latest tweets to non-logged'in website visitors which in turn discourages them to return back to read more content. A business genious there.
It's quite concerning to see how social media platforms and their owners can manipulate the system to their advantage. The implications for free speech and fair business practices are alarming.
It's their sandbox. If you don't like it, take your toys and go home or make your own sandbox. What would be worse is if the bureaucrats get involved and police the internet to make it more "fair".
Lol he said "free speech" It's free speech that made some of these advertisers leave 😂 Hilarious tht you haven't caught up with the times and are so lost you don't know tht the world is censored by these big corporations
What's in a name? In this case, Twitter is no longer the same company, with the same people, same policy. It's the same tech. So,...refusing to call a new company by its name is making what point? Please explain what you mean by "the cult of billionaires".
I still remember when a politician being conservative meant that they had an opinion on an issue that not everyone might agree with but that was at least still valid - now it just means that they're denying reality
As a person who runs a small business and sells things I now feel like everyone should pay me now to advertise for them. So how does one judge shop asking for if wins lol. Seriously this is a joke but if he wins I mean doesn't mean people could start doing that lol.
Up until recently I worked for a company that aggregated data from advertising platforms to consolidate reporting for brands and agencies who service the brands. We work with hundreds of vendors like X to consolidate the advertising performance to make it easy for Agencies and Brands to measure their advertising. After Elon took over X (formerly Twitter) they started charging exorbitant rates for access to their advertising API and when approached for negotiation because the unplanned amount would be super problematic for our business they told us "well your competitors are paying, so you should". We didn't and decided to wait until our customers demanded access to justify the investment. Fast forward and the customers/agencies didn't care, they had already decided they were going to pull back their advertising. X's business practices created this business environment.
I'm sick of "tough guys" like Elon Musk, Alex Jones, Donald Trump, and even Putin starting a fight, losing, and then whining like they're the victim who didn't do anything. It's pathetic, these people are lame and pathetic.
Crybullies. _Everyone else_ is playing the victim, but *THEIR* struggle is real. In fact, they should each write a book about that, they could title them "My Struggle"
Twitter was never a fairytale but pre-X it was not a bad platform to follow artists, photographers, game devs etc. But nowadays it seems like it has zero moderation. I'm being followed by 5 to 10 fake accounts daily and any post that I click has more random meme spammers and porn bots advertising OF than actual commenters. It's pretty wild to imagine that an already bad platfom could get even worse.
Im pretty sure Must brought up the fact twitter had a bot problem and that is why he wanted to back out of buying twitter. then the twitter board forced him to buy the bot-infested platform.
Twitter now has bot traffic than human traffic it’s just russian propaganda nazi propaganda promoting hate all the worst of the internet is welcomed accepted and loved by elon left that app a while ago and never looked back
I joined Twitter when he bought it to watch the downfall... And I saw the best parts of Twitter dwindle away into a 4chan/gore/porn bot hell. I enjoyed the WX Twitter during tornado season, this year I just saw white supremacy posts and Roman architecture circle jerks
If this case goes anywhere, every one who can should put up a website of the simplest nature, then sue X for not advertising on our sites. Millions of cases. Please.
The best way I’ve seen it said, “libertarians always think up environments where they will get one up on everyone else, but act surprised when others, non libertarians and libertarians alike, have thought of the same thing and do it first. Then they claim that it’s unfair.”
Lots of people like libertarian arguments when it aligns with their values. Then they conveniently ignore it when it doesn't. But don't mistake that for being libertarian. I have great respect for people who want other people to have liberty even if they themselves disagree or are inconvenienced.
@@username7763 Property-fundamentalist totalitarianism (with its required violent statism) is, if anything, even more repugnant when followed consistently
I hate that when I was a kid and a Marvel fan, I had also believed Elon being some kind of cool tech genius guy. Now I just think of him as a nepo baby with too much money that he doesn't know how to use.
The idea that a boycott is illegal is asinine. Price fixing is an antitrust issue. Bid rigging is an antitrust issue. Not buying a thing is not an antitrust issue, otherwise every single boycott ever would be one.
Why do people call it a boycott to begin with? It's literally not a boycott. It's a business decision where one spends their advertising money. A boycott is specifically meant as a protest to punish a person/organization. If advertisers got together and decided that they didn't like Elon and thus all decided together to no longer advertise on twitter to punish him than he'd actually have a case. BUT IT'S NOT A FREAKING BOYCOTT!!!!!!!!!!!
@@teadrinker7098how the hell are they suppose to ban people from not buying a product or service? What an asinine law, makes me think it was a law pushed by some super-PAC.
if a judge consistently allows frivolous cases and her judgement is continually get reversed by higher courts - is there any legal mechanism in place to eventually mark that judge as not operating in good legal faith and to be removed? seems like this is a needed component to prevent such continual abuse of law and judicial powers.
States each have their own rules for appointing and removing judges. A number of states even require judges to be elected. Long story short, there are lots of ways of removing state judges, but it varies by state. Federal judges are the ones that receive lifetime appointments, but there are a number of ways of removing them, including defrocking for the reason you suggest (except for the Supremes, as it is always more difficult to remove someone at the top of the chain of authority). The issue is, making dumb judgments isn't the same as abuse of position. The Law has to investigate and prove abuse of position before action can be taken, and the AG of Texas, well... birds of a feather.
The judicial branch consistently shows that it is the most dysfunctional and corrupt branch of government and this is just yet another unsurprising example. I feel bad for all of the people who have to fight tooth and nail to bring a semblance of order and sanity in such broken system. They have their work cut out for them.
@@VladLad yeah, if i say comment anything even remotely political, youtube immediately deletes my comment. But it never deletes spambot comments. How convenient, huh?
And somehow there's EVEN MORE bots on that platform. Seriously how does a guy promise to do measures to avoid a bot problem only for said bots to be more persistant and in higher numbers now.
@Zorothegallade-gg7zg the thing is that they really didn't use the free market, 95% of the time they used generational wealth and sketchy corporate politics to continually fail upwards with very few successes. They genuinely just want to not be able to fail.
Fundamentally, all corporations want to eventually use their resources to dominate and destroy the free market, forcing everyone else out of their industry and extracting as much money as they want and using that money to destroy any would-be competitor while making their product cheaper to produce and worse for the helpless consumer. Strict regulation is always needed in a market economy, or else you eventually end up with a dumber version of a planned economy.
That's not what a free market is. Definitionally, economic profit does not exist in a free market. Economic profit is different from what normal people understand as profit, but only in the sense that they include opportunity costs as real costs. So definitionally, an economist views a free market as a market in which zero people make more money than they would by not doing business at all.
I love that they just completely missed the whole point of "banning hateful speech, racism, and the like bans conservative voices!!" Like....tell on yourself a LITTLE harder.
They had problems banning nazis speech ( before Elon) because.... it would also ban republican politicians.... think about that. The algorithms couldn't tell a nazi and republican apart.
@@deltatea3192 We have hate speech laws for a reason. For the good of society, there must be laws that do ban/penalize aspects of speech. For instance, it is your first ammendment right to yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. However, you will be prosecuted if you scream fire when there is none and people get hurt. I agree that the patriot act has been and is being abused by the US, but that extends further than free speech. No, conservative speech as a whole really isn't actively suppressed. Any conservative speech that is suppressed actively overlaps with hate speech, explicit calls to violence, etc. And furthermore, if they are using private platforms for that speech, guess what! The platform can ban that speech.
@@deltatea3192 And I give YOU, modern-day Germany, where it is very illegal to do a hate speech, yet they seem to be just fine. It's almost like banning the nazis ...got rid of the nazis there 🤯
@@deltatea3192 What part of this has anything to do with laws? Twitter is a for profit platform and Elon and his puppet are driving it into the ground in violation of their fiduciary responsibilities to their shareholders to do everything in their power to make it profitable. The slippery slope argument you claim to hate also makes no sense. “Civilians shouldn’t own RPG’s” will not cause a slippery slope that leads to 0 gun ownership. A platform saying “You can’t call a black person a stupid n word here.” Won’t cause soviet/Chinese style media control. It’s a bad faith argument and I feel like you know that too. Musk is essentially saying the existence of rules of any kind is antithetical to freedom. Which is a naive stupid argument a teenager would come up with
@@deltatea3192 This same argument can be easily flipped to conservative platforms being against progressive ideas. Met with similar ties to such acts being the beginning to the 4th Reich. It's hyperbolic, knee jerk reactions because the internet has given people an inflated sense of importance on every little thing we say. Progressives and Conservatives seem to have been doing fine long before the internet even existed. A Twitter or Truth Social ban won't matter.
The fact rich people can just take legal actions they know are ludicrous against poor-er people and win not the actual suit but a war of attrition is just disgusting. Anti-SLAPP Laws need to be National.
Older I get, the more this 'divorced dad' thing makes sense. How tf do they all turn into the weirdest creeps around? It's literally an epidemic! Turning into 1 big viscous cycle in a era of 'alpha male' bs that will only lead to more divorces. Rinse repeat.
Failing restaurants should sue the population of Towns they operate in. For unknowingly conspiring to drive the restaurant out of the business by not buying food there.
@@SimonBuchanNzthe poor right can’t want money from the rich right because the poor left want money from the rich elites. They actively don’t take money from the rich so they could survive… for the sake of sticking it to the left…
Why is every single person who is trying to sell a product so entitled nowadays? It feels like every month there's another movie director or a video game studio that tells people "don't like it, don't buy!" and think of it as a moralist dup. But then they do a surprised Pikachu face when people don't buy their product. Elon is doing the same and I am just baffled how stupid these people are.
That clip of Muskrat telling advertisers to screw themselves is great, because you can see him looking at the audience for the reaction he desperately wants, and then repeats himself when he doesn’t get it. What a tool
I love that you're writing this with *that* pfp. I feel like Elon must have watched _Johnny Bravo_ growing up and thought, "Yes, that's what I want to be. But more."
Oh boy, here come all the Elon stans with "Elon is taking down advertisement cartels" and "how dare we not recognize how amazing and great he his for being a magnanimous billionaire that we all could be if only we worked as hard as he did" _Oh, how my emeralds spilleth over_
I remember taking simulation theory more seriously because of his thoughts on the topic. He wasn't on my radar before that. And the next thing I was aware of him doing was accusing a diver of being attracted to children because his stupid submarine wasn't used.
The fact that so many of these judges are so open about it and it's so commonly known that people purposely judge shop, seems like a huge ethical issue. It's hard to even pretend that the law is impartial and "justice is blind" when judges aren't even trying to hide their biases anymore.
@BatDad-qu4fo Agreed. The biggest problem is how they are appointed, which has been weaponized by political parties. The best way to avoid this is by including a third party in the process, such as the bar association. That way, only qualified, impartial judges could be appointed. Also, allowing the bar to discipline and remove judges would help immensely.
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Love the video but the spam is insane
He's wealthy in the US, of course he's gonna get away with it, and be rewarded all the while.
Mate you're using YT. I get p0rn ads constantly if I turn off my adblock. Why? cos I have disabled personalized ads. Also 50% of ads on YT are malvertising so that's fun.
You can poke a lotta X and Elon but not when it comes to the "quality" of ads
@@Scnottaken Are you assuming that the corporations he's suing are all poors?
@@meanmutton comparatively, the organization was. They've already announced they're closing the organization.
Judge shopping should be illegal. And judge shopping for a judge who owns stock in your company should be double illegal.
You've got a real shifty vibe to you. Maybe you should keep a lid on it for a while until you chill down a little bit homey.
@@jennyanydots2389????? Talking to the air?
How is it not considered a conflict of interest???
@@iamcuttlefish Apologize to me.
@@jennyanydots2389 Troll or bot?
1. Elon tells advertisers to f off
2. Advertisers f off
3. Elon sues advertisers for listening to him
No... he told advertisers to f off because they were effectively attempting to bribe a collude. Elon cares about big society matters. Regardless if he will looses or the suite is bad he's on the right side here.
4. Elon creates 50% OFF coupon codes for his sued advertisers: SORRY4SUIT
point number 1. is pretty irrelevant. because numbrer 2 is still organized boycott which is pushing the envelope of legality, collusions as such counts as unfair business practices and antitrust. so the lawsuit elon is doing might have merit on point 3. i think point 1 was a response to their threats, he said if you want to go break the law then do so, i can't stop you.(well actually he can with lawsuit, or atleast seek some justice of somesort that way).
Many advertisers had already left when he told them to F off, then more followed.
@@henlohenlo689did you watch the video? It isn’t illegal, and given that all the advertisers who have left did not do it all at once and some left based on shareholders votes, there was no collusion.
In effect, Elon is telling everyone "Don't ever advertise with me because I will sue you when you stop" Dumbest business move possible.
Dumbest business move we know of so far.
Let’s not pretend there’s a ceiling.
@@GZilla311 Yeah, I mean he's probably got 30 years at least of dumb behaviour ahead of him.
So dumb he's the richest guy around. Lol.
@@ahpekpeh2284 it really is dumb :)
@@ahpekpeh2284He's so smart for having been born in a wealthy family
There was an account on X with over 10k followers that appeared on my main page. "Don't click this if your sensitive". Me thinking of it's going to be something stupid clicked on it and then saw dozens of suicide/killing videos underneath which are completely unrelated to most content I actually watch/read on X appearing on MY home page.
The fact that Elon can't understand why advertisers don't want to be on it is insane. I am a vet; I have seen drones blow up dozens of people. I am not what I would call a sensitive person. I still don't wish to watch someone get beheaded by a train "for the lols".
I'm horrified. I would delete my account if I saw that
god dam ! it happen to me too ! and with the exacte same "Don't click this if your sensitive" account poping on my feed while i was only using twitter to check out fantaisy artist and gaming news. And after that it was all over my feed so i completly quit the app
@@PhatesDemise also PTSD especially relevant here.
And other related issues..
Gross. Sounds like a website popular in the early 2000s. That was the point I decided to curate carefully what I watch because I'm not interested in death p*rn.
"These organizations targeted our company, and you, our users"
Actually, targeting twitter users is exactly what they stopped doing.
It's insane they think they can sue people into doing business with them.
@Aaron.Thomas I guess they could if there was some sort of contract in place? Like, you must use this platform for 1 year? I cant imagine it would hold up.
And I’m pretty sure that lady didn’t believe a frakking word that came out of her mouth. She’s paid to be there and make herself look like a total fool.
I hate to point this out, but it sounds like Trumps speech writer " Them attacking me is the same as them attacking you. If they can come after me. Then they can come after you." That trying to pretend that the thing Unique to them, is the same thing we're facing. He talked smack about the advertisers. Trying to call their bluff figure. They were going to come crawling back and grovel, only to find out that they meant it.
@@CarbideSixShe went to X because she had hit the glass ceiling at NBC where she was before. That’s all. She wanted to make it to C-level exec status, so she jumped ship to work with Elon and try to bring advertisers back. That’s her only job.
Me: hmm, I think I'll just make coffee at home today
Starbucks: You're targeting our company by not giving us your business, you shall be hearing from our lawyers shortly
I mean I got a small business and not one of these companies has paid me to advertise for them. I guess should join the lawsuit too lol.
@@pudgenet Yet you give no reason to believe you. What is really going on according to you? Where is the best place to get the information that won't mislead anyone?
@@pudgenet Oh great and wise lawyer please elaborate.
@@Hurricayne92 We have been blessed by a visit from Elon, the Grand Buffoon!
@@booga106 Good luck to you. 🤷♂
xkcd said it best. "The 1st ammendment does not shield you from criticism or consequences. If you're yelled at, boycotted, have your show canceled, or get banned from an internet community, your free speech rights aren't being violated. It's just that the people listening think you're an asshole, and they're showing you the door."
Elon Musk really became like a Donald Trump
which ones?
If only reasonable folks got heard more often.
Not always, mind. There have been calls for boycotts from unreasonable people. But in THIS case? Yeah, Musk is being the unreasonable one.
@@Archone666re-read the quote, it’s not about whether or not people are being reasonable or unreasonable, it’s just pointing out that boycotts, being banned from internet communities, etc. aren’t a violation of your right to free speech.
I work for the marketing department of a large auto group. I remember the day the decision was made to stop advertising on X. One of our sales reps had made a call to our marketing manager saying they'd had a complaint from management at one of our dealership's because they had seen an add for one of our vehicles directly next to a video that contained content that was extremely racist towards immigrants. A meeting was held between marketing and the board of directors and the decision was made that, until we felt the content displayed next to our adds was appropriate for our brand message, we would stop all advertisement. Over the following 12 months our sales actually increased, this doesnt mean we believe leaving X caused our sales to go up but we always pay attention to how where we advertise affects sales results. Even without all the objective things on X, this data alone is reason enough to not go back. Why would we spend extra money to extend advertising when we're on an upward trajectory? Our company isn't part of any of the organisations listed in the suit, I'm just adding a company perspective.
The exact same thing happened to a friend of mine who works for a medium-sized insurance company in Southern California. Like 70 percent of their clientele is Latino, and their tweets kept coming up next to anti-immigrant rants.
@@John-tr5hnwe are all immigrants. Anyone can have money
@@yurikendal4868 *Recent immigrants, there, is it better now? Also "anyone can have money" is an idiotic statement that has very little meaning and I shouldn't need to explain why.
Clearly this is somehow financial blackmail, you will be hearing from Twitter’s lawyers immediately
Musk himself is an immigrant
Federal anti-SLAPP needs to be enacted, and plaintiffs who file SLAPP suits reimbursing the defendants needs to be part of it
The ball can possibly roll the other way where entities will claim to be a victim of SLAPP suits and punish those trying to pursue true justice. By this I mean that such a federal law should be written very wisely. Then again, if it's successful at a state level, it could be legitimately upheld at a federal level if the law is passed.
@@volts_n_bolts It's 100% worth rolling the dice on it and letting judges set legal precedent; that's also part of their job. The scenario you describe is entirely hypothetical, while SLAPP suits have objectively wrecked peoples finances and/or coerced others to withdraw legitimate legal action or be deterred from seeking justice.
I am wondering in my country it is standard procedure that the loser of a case has to pay the legal fees for both sides(with a few specific exceptions), is that not the case in the US and if so, why ?
Boost
@@nikespen768 Not sure. I think it would reduce frivolous and SLAPP suits though. With the risk of having to pay your opponent's fees as well as your own, people may be less likely to sue without good reason, and since the victim of a SLAPP suit will not be financially ruined, SLAPP suits would lose their potency.
The Court - "And what are your reasons for suing advertisers?"
Elon's brain - "Don't say revenge, don't say revenge".
Elon - "Uhhh, revenge".
Musk is "don't you know who I am" personified.
Family guy reference?
@@AtomicBuffalo "Yes, we know exactly who you are, which is why we've pulled all our ads."
@@NeoArashiSimpsons.
"Don't say believing you're rich enough to start an apartheid race war"
Twitter ceased to be a town square when it became unviewable and non-traversable to logged-out users.
Being a profit-seeking corporation meant it was *always* more like private, rather than public, property. But yes, the blatant removal of usability for the account non-holders made that truth much more abundantly clear.
Tumblr is, and has always been, a better representation of a town square given that it usually has the energy of a bus stop at around 10pm on a Saturday night
@@arrowbliss2515 with crackheads and everything
@@arrowbliss2515I stop going to tumblr after they ban adult content. Sound like a declining ghost town.
@@Account.for.Comment It's not as busy as before, but far from a truly dead site. Goncharov, a very tumblr sort of phenomenon, happened after the adult content ban. And I think there was a time when Reddit users flooded in because they were upset with Reddit or something. There's definitely recent topics trending, people reacting to new social media stuff like Olympions and TV shows, etc.
I’m pretty sure Elon is what happens when someone orders a Bond villain from Temu.
A discount Bond villain at that. 😂😂😂😂
Exactly!!!!🤣🤣🤣
😂 good one
The one thing I like about Elon Musk is that he helps dispel the myth that rich people are rich because they are smarter than everyone else.
One thing I dislike about Elon is that he reaffirms how many people will blindly worship anyone with money. People defend him like he singlehandedly cured cancer...
@@merry_christmas We took the divine right of kings and just gave it to a bunch of soulless doorknobs
@@arrowbliss2515 "The human organism always worships. First it was the gods, then it was fame (the observation and judgment of others), next it will be the self-aware systems you have built to realize truly omnipresent observation and judgment." - Morpheus, Deus Ex (2000)
@@ULTRAOutdoorsmandamn.
@@merry_christmasThere's a reason why Dante described sycophants as belonging in their own circle of hell.
Elon: "Free markets for everyone!"
Advertisers: *using the free market to not do business with elon*
Elon: surprised pikachu face
Exactly lol. Pretty rich for someone who didn’t like the way California was being run and moved his business elsewhere. The state isn’t suing him for leaving
Elon is really working hard to earn that fascist dictionary definition.
@@AMGKITTENZCartel forming?
@@AMGKITTENZ It's not a cartel for a bunch of businesses to make a sensible move and not advertise in the blatantly rightoid cesspool that is twitter
@@lolnopleaseno To be fair California should definitively sue Elon and Twitter, they havent been paying rent since he took over.
What whiny baby. He tells his advertisers to f**k off, and then throws a tantrum when they do exactly that.
@AvaTysonWon clickbait used to be believable
Right wingers are always the victim 👶
@@patheticapathetic5826 fr and the name is just giving me war and current flashbacks
@AvaTysonWon Elon's favourite video.
PAB
Wow, someone who supported South African apartheid also supports great replacement theory. I wish I could be shocked.
The reason he glaze South Africa is because they might kick him out of mommy and daddy’s emerald mine
Leaving Apartheid is supporting it? So, staying combats it? I "wish" you could be more clear.
Free speech until he doesnt agree with it.
Free markets until the free market decides to not do business with him.
Innovation until it threatens his business(California high speed rail)
The general mindset of Conservatives and Capitalists: all's fair until it bites me, and then it's not fair at all! "Rules for thee but not for me" holds true almost every case I've seen in my entire life. When we *dare* make use of the rules to finally make things fair and equitable, they want to change the rules and make them more harsh to punish us. Every time.
Musk is free speech until someone disagrees with him: start suing them in places he can hold them down until they run out of resources.
Corporations are free market until real competition happens along, or labor fights against executives for better treatment.
It always holds true.
What I wouldn't give for California's high speed rail to actually threaten his business 😭😭😭
Are you describing Musk, traditional American policy, or both?
Musk: Free speech!
Also Musk: Don't say "cisgender"
Has received over 7 billion in subsidies from the US government for his various companies. "I don't believe in subsidies, delete it". Dude is a clown.
This is the large scale version of "tweeted something racist and lost my job (thanks Obama)".
Never rooted for unilever before
In my for you tab I had an ad sitting underneath a tweet that said something like "we owe this guy an apology" and it was a picture Adolf Hitler. Not really sure I can blame companies for not wanting to associate with Twitter anymore
If twitter is showing you stuff like that, I dunno why you are still on there
Because I follow a lot of artists or creative types who's primary place to post their stuff is on Twitter.
@@ComradeBreadYeah I also use it to follow artists, it would be so sad to see Twitter die bc of fckn Elon... You can use adblock tho
@@SusieBlup Not on Twitter but does ad block work on the tweets? It didn't sound like he was complaining about the ad itself but that its placement next to an objectionable tweet might affect how people view the ad. Using ad block on ads with that kind of placement would just further reduce the ad engagement and speed the company's withdrawal from Twitter as an effective advertising platform.
@@wartgin I got confused, I thought the Hitler thing was the ad not the tweet, that's why I suggested using adblock... funny how twitter's state made me think it was totally feasible 🥴
Excuse me, how is a judge owning stock in a defendant's company NOT an automatic mandatory recusal!?
dirty politicians need these appointed judges to handle their cases and those of the donor class if it was auto recuse they would be forced to take their chances with an honest judge something they are clearly not comfortable with
Because according to Republicans that's communism. Anything except anarchy is communism.
'MURICA
Suing advertsers will definitely scare away other advertisers...Musk always comes across as so dumb and emotional
He’s a spoiled baby brat
Then he'll just SUE THEM! See, its win win win for SUPER GENYUS Musk!!
Yea guys i`m sure a dumb and emotional guy could run Tesla,space ex, neurolink, be the richest man in the world... This must be the dunning kruger effect LOL
@@Linkinpark4life333 LOL, he is not running anything. Has never created anything.
@@Linkinpark4life333
Are you okay?
Gotta admit it's bloody impressive making advertisers look like good guys in comparison.
You would have to be in another level of stupid or arrogance to to make it happen😂 Musk certainly does that effortlessly.🤣
yeah, especially since advertisers will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes, even before the lawyers ...
i'll just see myself out ...
Why is something that lookss like a bot account making such a good comment. Copied maybe?
They tried being nice for 2 years?
The last two years was their idea of “nice”? Holy shit these people are clinically insane.
I mean he sued a ton of people not them so for him that was nice lol
They literally are, they are sociopaths'.
No, but it sounds threatening, so he's saying it. This is known colloquially as a "lie".
I read "people" as "paedophiles" somehow due to extreme tiredness and I guess in this particular case that probably doesn't change the meaning at all
That's the usual suspects for you
My favorite part of this video is Devin making 0% effort to refrain from calling the company anything other than Twitter.
"free speech but you have to agree with me and advertise here. it's your choice, but I'll sue you if you leave"
Free speech to Musk just means he gets to say whatever he wants and we all have to listen, and what he has to say is just regurgitated crap from the past.
Me saying or doing something you disagree with is free speech and therefore legally protected. You saying or doing something I disagree with is an attack on free speech and is therefore illegal
Welcome to the Hotel California.
You can check out any time you like.
But you can never leave...
But he won though lol. They disbanded GARM lol
Well you know, I'm startin to think a white South African whose father owned an emerald mine doesn't have a good idea of what constitutes as "not racist."
its funny that he put out a bounty for the location for the emerald mine, and then when HIS DAD asked him if he could claim the bounty, Elon quietly took the bounty down.
What does his race have anything to do with anything?
@@mason96575 Meh with that kind of money its really easy to sweep that under rug hence the bounty being posted then pulled lol. I mean South Africa is kind of corrupt lol
@@JohnRandall7 white south africans literally invented apartheid. They made it racial
@@JohnRandall7 African Apartheid, specifically in South Africa where there was major racial segregation. The system primarily benefited the white minority population there, meaning, Elon Musk and his family.
Advertisers: "We don't want to be associated with openly racist, transphobic, or antisemitic content. For some of us it's a moral issue, for others it's practical."
Musk: "If you don't like it, leave."
Advertisers: "Okay."
Musk: "WAIT NO"
Florida governor DeSantis did the same thing😂😂😂 all Mexican workers left Florida and crops weren't harvested, roofing jobs didn't get done😂😂😂
@@dianep6791 they just don't get the idea that maybe their ideas are pretty dumb
As my daughter would say "Talk shit, get hit.". Musk must be the worlds biggest and most dangerous baby.
@@lindsaydempsey5683 No, but he interviewed him recently.
I don't think Elon believes that businessmen can act out of virtue or morality. He thinks Trump is basicly honest.
If he wants to sue Disney as well he better hope he doesn't have Disney plus 😂
LMFAO
The fact that these advertisers continued their boycott even after Twitter lowered ad prices seems to basically destroy the "price fixing" argument.
Kind of, but the counterargument could be made that they're putting the screws to X to make sure they'll stay in line with the pricing, and also trying to make it less obvious.
I don't think that rebuttal destroys the price fixing argument, but the price fixing argument is extraordinarily weak to begin with. Going by Occam's Razor I think you have to take GARM's words at face value since the position they've outlined is eminently reasonable, and explains their actions more cleanly than a price fixing conspiracy, based on the evidence presented so far.
They can wait longer than a year my guy
Advertisers dont care about collusion with other advertisers, they just want results for their ad spend. Just 5 years ago they all pinched their nose and bought FB ads despite not liking Zuck, the simple fact of the matter is that if the advertisements work, they will come. And Twitter has always been the worst platform for ads. And now, its a liability. Imagine Walmart spending 5 million on a X ad spend, not seeing results, then when they choose not to renew the next quarter Musk starts tweeting and they get pulled into stupid culture war bs and a boycott. Advertising on X is a liability now.
@@microcolonel what incentive do they have?
At this point we're past a point of no return imo. Those aren't the kind of people you even want to bother cause they'll just comment/quote tweet you to death with 'go woke go broke' etc. Heck that's before the bots come in which could easily be targeted mass campaign against you. Still more value in Facebook, Insta, RUclips & dare I say TikTok is probably the best of them all if you want to revert back to family friendly (ish) stuff due to the OTT censorship of even cuss words. The tiktok algorithm is probably the least hate fuelled/red pilled of the bunch too, even if it is brain rot.
"I am being silenced for my Conservative views!" "Oh, wow, you're being silenced for wanting lower taxes?" "No, not those ones." "Advocating for private gun-ownership?" "No, not those ones either." "Which ones, then?" "Oh, you know the ones..."
Someone did a pardoy of the Twitter CEO's video that was pretty good, I need to track it down again. That woman is clearly a victim of the Glass Cliff, though.
Also love @0:31 "We tried being nice for 2 years"
... yeah bud. Protecting the worst hate speech but banning the word cis. Nice. That's what advertisers really wanted all along.
TBH, conservatives aren't too fond of those first two views when it comes to minorities. They think only they should have low taxes and guns.
The Daily Show's parody?
Eh more like “I think racially banning me from tutoring is systemic racism” and them claiming you’re basically in the kkk
@bendrowned8506 did you hear that from some boomer on bath salts?
"an illegal boycott." In what universe is a boycott illegal?
Depends on what you are trying to boycott.
When it tries to price fix or eliminate competition. So say I supply non-slip shoes to every restaurant in my town and you want to open your own company doing the same thing. If I go to every business and convince them to not use you by offering them a sweetheart deal then I'm unfairly eliminating competition and their boycott of you is illegal. Or say you're a laundry service and you're trying to establish yourself in a new town. If every business in that town says, "we aren't going to do business with you unless you give us a specific price" that's considered price fixing and market manipulation
2:59 "These were Chesterton fences that existed for a very good reason" So Chesterton's Fence is "a simple rule of thumb that suggests that you should never destroy a fence, change a rule, or do away with a tradition until you understand why it's there in the first place. The principle assumes that fences have a purpose, were carefully planned, and cost time and money to erect". I had no idea there was a term for that! It also relates to the importance of considering the spirit of the law (and not only the letter of the law)..
Yo thats neat
Chesterton fences and Overton windows, now we just need some walls ans a door...
It’s not even a Chesterton fence. Everyone knew why the content moderation rules were in place. It wasn’t because these tech companies are woke propagandists. They were open about preventing objectionable content to ensure advertisers felt comfortable putting their content on the cites. The fact that Elon couldn’t see that before is embarrassing. The fact that he can’t see it now it baffling and a testament to how totally unhinged and out of touch he is. There literally must not be a single person left with a spine working in any proximity to Elon to let him know how ludicrous this whole thing is.
Appreciate the explanation, I was confused by the term too. Kind of reminds me of an important rule of home remodeling, you never knock down a wall unless you understand why it was put there. Some walls are decoration, some have crucial electricity or plumbing components, some are load bearing and keep the house up
@@AnimusVoxPopuli Well said. The owners don't care if you shout hateful stuff UNLESS that hateful stuff costs them money. Brands like Disney, who make money off looking family friendly, aren't going to want ads for Star Wars next to stuff promoting genocide
As a now-defunct comic once said: "People aren't using the internet to exercise their freedom of speech. They're using the internet to exercise their freedom from being punched in the mouth."
...Which pretty much sums up just about every single thing Musk has said or did in the last 5+ years.
What comic was that? That's an excellent quote.
@@kiranaun9593I’d also like to know haha
@@kiranaun9593 User Friendly. The author stopped in roughly 2010 and the site went down outright in 2022 or so, sadly.
I have a friend who epitomizes that. He LOVES to push buttons, but not in person (at least with me) because he's not actually able to take a punch. He tried me in person ONCE, he learned that day.
My Dad once told me what keeps us polite is the unspoken potential for violence contained in every human interaction. He called it the "Parking Lot Factor". IE, you can be drug out to a parking lot and beat for being rude.
America really needs to increase penalties for parties who file baseless/SLAPP lawsuits. This suit is just so weird because didn't Citizens United make money speech, and therefore, advertisers' non-participation is protected speech? Unless there's B2B contracts and advertisers pulling out early is causing performance issues, Elon literally has no leg to stand on in this at all. But because he's a billionaire he has the money to just SLAPP away anyways, such BS.
At the same time, youtube needs to get a handle on this new spam problem advertising literal cheese pizza. This is gonna get out to news orgs eventually, they can't thumb their nose at it for long.
Money being speech and a price fixing cartel are two different things. If Google loses its ad suit currently in court, this would also apply to a group of 3rd party managers coming together to control the ad market. There are tens of lawsuits in which legal scholars far above this have been wrong. From his defamation suit, to his layoffs and now the ad cartel running tail.
The Justice Department creates jobs however contentious the suits are. In Canada, the court can ban an individual once they are found abusive of their right to justice, aka vexatious litigious.
First thing we need is the threat to attorneys of getting disbarred if they proceed with frivolous suits. Clients are going to be stupid sometimes. They don't know the law, and you get a lot of idiots wanting to sue for a variety of stupid reasons. The attorney is supposed to be the voice of reason here telling the client he can't sue for that and stopping the lawsuit right there.
Attorneys should know better, so if they sign their name to frivolous garbage that they know is wasting the court's time, then they better provide a really good explanation. Either they're deliberately misusing the law to bully someone smaller, or they're so incompetent as to think the lawsuit wasn't just drivel. Either way they don't belong in the legal profession.
And once attorneys won't take these stupid cases, then you fix the problem. If Elon wants to be his own attorney than so be it, but he will have to show up to court personally, and fill out the forms personally. He won't do that.
I don’t even understand how he has so much money. They should start taking his assets away, well at least the ones that he doesn’t do anything with, so he’ll be left with just twitter.
The "business genius" that is Elon Musk, overpaid for the hottest strip-club in town and then proceeded to fire the bouncers, the accountants and the hottest strippers.. he then converted the strip-club into a Mexican pony show and now he is upset because advertisers don't want to be associated with a Mexican pony show.
...is that actually a thing or something that only exists as a meme? Wait, I don't think I want to know :D
@@jannepeltonen2036it’s a metaphor of what Elon did to Twitter
I know it probably doesn't work like this, but simply his statement to advertisers directly being "if you don't like my site gtfo" should be grounds enough to have this dismissed. You can't tell advertisers to leave then sue them to stay...
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100% agreed. The reaction from the interviewer after Musk's comment says it all.
I think these edgy rich guys are confusing "tough" with "stupid." You can't treat others like garbage forever without facing some kind of self-induced punishment. Their lack of empathy is all posturing, right up until it hits them in the wallet.
It 100% works like this, the judge is most likely a biased conservative and is the only reason its still alive.
That's just 1 of many ridiculous contradictions in this lawsuit. The suit is alleging secret conspiracy to compete unfairly, to companies that publicly announced their desire to not destroy their brands by ads appearing with hate content - companies that were customers, not competitors, of X.
The downside is the place he filed the suite in can 100% allow him to do it even if he is wrong.
He told them to F off, and they did. Hes so smart he couldnt predict the puzzling behavior
This. He is trying to punish them for doing what he told them to do. Which is more than he deserves, since they could have left earlier anyway.
He was trying to play 5D chess, but failed to understand that we live in a 3D reality.
@@CZpersi Einstein said "time is the 4th dimension". Maybe your "reality" is limited.
Elon acknowledged he knew some advertisers would withdraw quietly, no problem. It was those who tried to threaten him that he spoke. Go back and listen again.
Elon Musk is one of the handful of individuals on the planet who could make wearing a bomber jacket uncool.
oh gees yes...very well observed....thanks...in a way...daaamn..
Nah, bomber jackets just aren't cool
The worst part is that there will still be people who think Musk is in any way a skilled business man.
Pues es muy bueno vendiendo humo
All he wants is for everyone to have free speech even if they are morally wrong.
Aside from the profanity, Musk literally said "dont advertise". So they didnt. You cant sue someone for doing what you told them to do.
maybe twitter could sue Elon
@@Dommifax I am sure they want to lol but not sure you can sue your CEO lol
@@Zalzany he isn't, Mrs. Roboto is
@@schwig44De jure, sure. But de facto he is still in charge, and everyone knows.
@@GZilla311 I mean, that's fair, but is also irrelevant in the context of the comment I replied to.
they keep coming back to the town square analogy, like yeah you are the drunkard shitting themselves in the drain
Like if Diogenes of Sinope had never turned to philosophy but instead lost all his money unwillingly and started shouting and throwing his shit at everyone else at the marketplace. Come to think, Diogenes did kinda do that anyway but in a based way.
It's genuinely infuriating that people have lost their livelihoods because of a corrupt judge keeping his bs lawsuit against Media Matters alive.
What do you mean regarding livelihoods? i fear i don't know the whole story.
@@OttobonGarm shut down and at least 14 people have been laid off due to this suit.
People lost their jobs because Elon is upset.
@@Ottobon so you haven't seen the video?
The legal system in this country is screwed up. We had a group of Republicans try to have fake electors make Trump president but they still haven’t been tried after three and a half years. Reform Now!
I wonder, does Media matters have a case against the judge for not stepping aside despite the conflict?
Seems like a federal antislap is needed for free speech to be actually free.
Twitter being the "global town square"? lol
It's closer to IRL 4chan.
"Musk didn't understand" is pretty much accurate no matter which of Musk's companies we're talking about. SpaceX literally has a team of people whose only job is to keep Musk from mucking anything up while Gwynne Shotwell (who is a brilliant aerospace engineer and leader with decades of experience in the space industry) actually runs the company.
Props to Gwynne in that case
And you'll always get the occasional simp on the Internet who comes out swinging with gems like "You're just jealous he has money" or "if he's not a genius why does he still have control of those companies"
Reminds me how things were handled in the Ford company, where a person, James Couzens, had to stop Henry Ford from doing stupid stuff.
Gwyne is such a pioneer ‼️smart woman
Thank you!!! Im a huge space nerd and i think what spacex is doing is really cool stuff (and also some less cool stuff, racist hiring practices etc) but hate elon musk and its so rare that anyone in or out of the space community acknowledges that he doesnt actually do shit at spacex
I love how much you can see Elon’s ego getting in the way of his own defences. You can’t both say “I have a great platform you’re missing out on by not using” and “I’m gonna sue you to use it since you don’t find any value in it”
Too many of you seem to miss the point of this and the other lawsuits: Musk knows he will lose the lawsuit but he believes, and is probably correct, that he will likely hurt if not outright shut down GARM through legal fees and wasted time as well as deter further actions against him. See Media Matters. See GARM dissolving.
This isn't an insane man taking insane actions, this is a sane megalomaniac deliberately abusing the legal system to censor anyone who would criticize him and his agenda.
That and how much his drug use fried his brain.
@@urazz7739 Megalomania is a behavioral disorder that people are born with, not developed through drug abuse
@@jonsmith-z1v He calls is censorship, the rest of the world calls it content moderation. We've had moderators and moderation for as long as we've had the internet. I remember connecting to IRC servers in the 90's, that had a "banner of the day" strictly prohibiting racism and nazism under threat of being banned.
Musk actively censors pro-democrat accounts
I couldn't begin to articulate how desperately I would like to see Twitter utterly fall into obscurity and leave Space Karen with a $44B hole in his pocket.
Like happened to Tumblr overnight
May the memory of X burn with Musk's last dollar
@@_Mutt_ironically, Tumblr has regained half a foothold as a result of Elons dumb decisions
I mean, he is being stupid enough to sue multi-million dollar advertisers who have more than enough money to beat him down in civil court 1000X over. At this point Disney can be described as a law firm that produces movies and streams cartoons as a side hustle.
"Space Karen" wins the internet today.
the phrases "I believe in free speech" and "this is an illegal boycott" coming from the same person in the same paragraph is wild, this is the kind of stuff I'd see in a 2010's rage comic
I’m not going into any ‘global town hall’ where the Nazis have a megaphone
THIS!
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Who Also have taken it over
The point of x is to imitate real life without censorship. Of course there will be nazis in real life and on x but if you censor them you no longer have free speech...
I thought when people said twitter has been taken over by Nazis, they were exaggerating. Boy how wrong I was!
I made a new account and I don't even live in America but American politics and their Nazis were constantly shoven down my throat.
I love that Twitter is being relentlessly deadnamed 😂😂😂
Its very alive for everybody besides musk fans
X is a useless name. News articles and podcasters have to say "X, formerly known as Twitter" because even they know that X is a vague name that could refer to many things.
Every article I read says X (formerly known as Twitter).
@@ducksongfans you don't know what deadnaming is, do you?
@@Failed_Vestige_of_Exandria i do
"vote with your wallet" MFs when people vote with their wallets:
My buddy is a director of some sub group at a large marketing firm in chicago. They do no advertising if Musk is attached. It 100% is decided entirely by data. He is so volatile, if he makes a reference to something or does something you cant know if it will do very well or go very wrong. Marketing isnt supposed to be gambling but calculated assessments of positive engagement. The platform is just too risky.
Yup staking your advertising dollars on a platform run by someone so capricious and random as Elon is not sound business strategy. I wouldn't touch his platform under any circumstances while he's basically the sole head honcho.
Not to mention the lack of transparency with bots. I'm on X every day and it is chock full of bots that rage bait and posting p*rn.
So basically this is like if Consumer Reports said the new Ram trucks were horribly unsafe, showed how the new Ram trucks were horribly unsafe, and many people chose not to buy them.. then Ram sued everyone who bought a Toyota Tundra or an F150.
Add also the fact that Ram sued Consumer Reports for pointing out the flaws
Also Ram put swastika decals all over their trucks
Not really. This is more like an advertising monopoly using dodgy analysis to qualify Twitter as a “place for hate speech” with no actual statistical justification for the claim. Advertisers are free to advertise wherever they want. They cannot, however, collude in boycotting a specific service for political reasons.
Elon is in the right.
More like consumer reports making up issues and reporting them. Then being surprised when they get sued?
@@smrthodanje yeah ok 😂😂😂😂
Twitter advertisements don't even work. I saw these content creators try to purchase advertisements as a joke. One person only got one impression on their advertisement, and another person's ads were denied, and the company forced him to buy Twitter premium anyways. Customer support was non existent.
Even if Twitter wasn't horrifically racist, twitter is broken lmao.
He fired the entire team responsible for dealing with bots pretty early in his take-over, by now the site has more bots than humans, so I'm not surprised the ads on there aren't really useful.
It's not really a X problem but online ads in general. How many of them do you guys click? Even if it was something I'm interested in I will google it myself rather than clicking an ad on youtube or some random website as I don't trust the ads. YT is full of scam ads, and that video you watched is likely not a great source.
@@Arthur_Grey34 poor excuses, YT ads are based on region, so in Asia I'm more likely to get chocolate or food ads from well-known brands not ads from suspicious grifters or even spreading fake medical advice like they do in the US. So you have your country's laws to thank for false advertisements.
@@Arthur_Grey34 usually ads offer more than one impression. Impressions are just the views people get, i think. And, if someone purchases an advertisement they should be guaranteed to get a certain amount of impressions. And, from my understanding it is illegal to make people pay for a product they didn't even purchase.
@kirakoraawesome
Don’t forget antisemitism and LGBTQ+ phobia.
"Illegal boycott"
...I don't think abstaining from buying something can be considered illegal?
Shhh, don’t say anything logical. You’ll be arrested for making tens of thousands of MAGAs cry.
It's infuriating that a company has to shut down because some richer a-hole wants to see them gone. Even if you're right, you lose. Our legal system is stacked in a way that you have to be rich enough to be correct.
100%.
The system exists to protect the rich, not find justice.
You have no idea. Try doing a civil suit. It literally is determined by how much money you have to spend. That is why Trump has used that means to get his (fraud) way his whole life...
Shame they can't get the courts to make Musk cover their legal fees.
Hence why we need federal anti-SLAPP protections.
Elund is a really cool guy.
It feels like the consequence of filing a slapp suit should be that if it resolves in your victim's favor, you immediately have to cover the cost of them fighting your suit, and pay them damages for wasting everybody's time.
Not in America. If you have money here, you can do what you want without consequence.
Spoiler alert- judge takes musk's side here.
@@mroberts673 also you need to have the money to get through the case in the first place reimbursment is irrelevant if you are gauranteed to run out of money first and defacto lose the case
"But Musk didn't understand why." man you could apply that phrase to a LOT of things, I'd imagine
"Why do my kids hate me? I gave them the coolest names ever!"
Musk refuses to understand
Not sure if true but I heard that his employees try their hardest to avoid having their projects attract Musk's attention because he comes in and ruins it with stupid ideas that cost time and don't help at all.
"It's anti-competitive!"
"How so?"
"I'm LOSING!"
Twitter is begging for advertisment revenue yet not showing latest tweets to non-logged'in website visitors which in turn discourages them to return back to read more content. A business genious there.
It's quite concerning to see how social media platforms and their owners can manipulate the system to their advantage. The implications for free speech and fair business practices are alarming.
Have you heard of Google? If you’re worried about narrative and political manipulation your argument has to start and stop with Google.
@@slantythecamel This isn't about narrative or politics. Elon is literally trying to force people to buy shit from him, wether they want to or not.
It's their sandbox. If you don't like it, take your toys and go home or make your own sandbox. What would be worse is if the bureaucrats get involved and police the internet to make it more "fair".
@@slantythecamelwe are talking about Elon..now go away..his diaper is soiled
Lol he said "free speech"
It's free speech that made some of these advertisers leave 😂
Hilarious tht you haven't caught up with the times and are so lost you don't know tht the world is censored by these big corporations
Elon Musk should be taught in business schools on the stupidity of the cult of billionaires. And I am never calling Twitter X
What's in a name? In this case, Twitter is no longer the same company, with the same people, same policy. It's the same tech. So,...refusing to call a new company by its name is making what point? Please explain what you mean by "the cult of billionaires".
Yeah, Twitter’s at least a unique name.
He deadnames his daughter, so I deadname his shitsite
Elon's anti-immigrant tweets are SO funny. Like, dude. You were born in South Africa. YOU ARE AN IMMIGRANT.
It’s only a problem for him if they aren’t white.
Which is the case of almost everyone complaining about illegal immigration.
"I love free speech and the free market, unless they work against me" Every far-right grifter nowadays
Right wing politics is so brain rotting
I still remember when a politician being conservative meant that they had an opinion on an issue that not everyone might agree with but that was at least still valid - now it just means that they're denying reality
Elon: I am a free speech absolutist
Also elon: you are not allowed to use the words cis or weird
this whole video is BS. He is suing an organization based on information that came to light during a congressional investigation.
Sure let's pretend it's just the far right that acts this way
"As a manufacturer/retailer, i make advertising decisions based on what I/we want The Company Brand associated with..."
Elon Musk - "that's illegal"
Pretty much 😂
As a person who runs a small business and sells things I now feel like everyone should pay me now to advertise for them. So how does one judge shop asking for if wins lol. Seriously this is a joke but if he wins I mean doesn't mean people could start doing that lol.
This is why we need a Federal Anti-Slapp statute.
Which should have a clause saying that if you violate the statute X times in a period of 5 years you are banned from filing any lawsuits for 5 years.
Yes we need more laws to deal with vexatious litigants like musk @@Mr_user_1000
Up until recently I worked for a company that aggregated data from advertising platforms to consolidate reporting for brands and agencies who service the brands. We work with hundreds of vendors like X to consolidate the advertising performance to make it easy for Agencies and Brands to measure their advertising. After Elon took over X (formerly Twitter) they started charging exorbitant rates for access to their advertising API and when approached for negotiation because the unplanned amount would be super problematic for our business they told us "well your competitors are paying, so you should". We didn't and decided to wait until our customers demanded access to justify the investment. Fast forward and the customers/agencies didn't care, they had already decided they were going to pull back their advertising. X's business practices created this business environment.
Elon to Advertisers: "EFF OFF!!"
Advertisers: "Okay, CYA CHODE!"
Musk to advertisers: "COME BACK OR I'LL SUE YOU!!!"
Advertisers: "🖕"
"NO NOT LIKE THAT!"
What a manchild.
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I'm sick of "tough guys" like Elon Musk, Alex Jones, Donald Trump, and even Putin starting a fight, losing, and then whining like they're the victim who didn't do anything. It's pathetic, these people are lame and pathetic.
Crybullies.
_Everyone else_ is playing the victim, but *THEIR* struggle is real.
In fact, they should each write a book about that, they could title them "My Struggle"
they are small people, no matter how hard they try to escape it
Would you be surprised if he wins the case?
@@GeneralTaco155555a ah yes, a Shitler reference :)
Snowflakes.
Twitter was never a fairytale but pre-X it was not a bad platform to follow artists, photographers, game devs etc. But nowadays it seems like it has zero moderation. I'm being followed by 5 to 10 fake accounts daily and any post that I click has more random meme spammers and porn bots advertising OF than actual commenters. It's pretty wild to imagine that an already bad platfom could get even worse.
Im pretty sure Must brought up the fact twitter had a bot problem and that is why he wanted to back out of buying twitter. then the twitter board forced him to buy the bot-infested platform.
@sheldonirving9529 then not a single thing you said is even remotely correct.
Twitter now has bot traffic than human traffic it’s just russian propaganda nazi propaganda promoting hate all the worst of the internet is welcomed accepted and loved by elon left that app a while ago and never looked back
Twitter was never a ‘cash cow’, but it just about kept afloat, by careful management of the advertising revenue. It never had true freedom of speech.
I joined Twitter when he bought it to watch the downfall... And I saw the best parts of Twitter dwindle away into a 4chan/gore/porn bot hell.
I enjoyed the WX Twitter during tornado season, this year I just saw white supremacy posts and Roman architecture circle jerks
"...the new it girl of conservative lawyers, prior versions have pleaded out..."
That is gold.
If this case goes anywhere, every one who can should put up a website of the simplest nature, then sue X for not advertising on our sites. Millions of cases. Please.
unfortunately SLAPP lawsuits are for the rich, which we are not
Libertarian: Let the Free Market decide what succeds or fails!
Also Libertarians: No, you didn't choose the choice that I wanted! That's not fair!
Libertarianism is astrology for men.
Thier Paleos and Hoppeans
The best way I’ve seen it said, “libertarians always think up environments where they will get one up on everyone else, but act surprised when others, non libertarians and libertarians alike, have thought of the same thing and do it first. Then they claim that it’s unfair.”
Lots of people like libertarian arguments when it aligns with their values. Then they conveniently ignore it when it doesn't. But don't mistake that for being libertarian. I have great respect for people who want other people to have liberty even if they themselves disagree or are inconvenienced.
@@username7763 Property-fundamentalist totalitarianism (with its required violent statism) is, if anything, even more repugnant when followed consistently
Elmo told advertisers to GTFO, then had a hissy fit when they listened. You just can't make this stuff up.
How dare you slander Elmo?! That muppet is innocent of all crimes and cannot be compared to Elon.
It makes me laugh that people once called him the real life Tony Stark 😂😂😂
He’s doing twitter and has the cyber truck… but people still think he’s a genius 😆
I hate that when I was a kid and a Marvel fan, I had also believed Elon being some kind of cool tech genius guy. Now I just think of him as a nepo baby with too much money that he doesn't know how to use.
He’s Justin Hammer lol
@@RandomSwiftie13he used to be a lot more sane. We were all fooled when we are younger. It’s only been over the last few years he went insane.
@@jonseries9973No, Justin hammer had charisma, musk has none
Insane we have a judge known for absurd rulings that often get reversed. Why have they not been disbarred yet if they're so blatantly buyable
Because actually proving things is needed
Because your legal system is a total wack and your judges are almost never reprimanded
Texas
because they’re completely buyable. just buy more people to not disbar them
I am so tired of Elon Musk and all his weirdo worshipers.
Stop watching content about him then???? masochist?
@@thatundeadlegacy2985imagine if all those Star Wars Acolyte/Anti woke haters took that very same advice.
@@thatundeadlegacy2985don’t forget to wipe your mouth off when you’re finished
@@thatundeadlegacy2985 You're watching a video that is CLEARLY biased against elon and then complaining when someone is making fun of him LMFAO
@@thatundeadlegacy2985 You know, I'm not angry at you. I'm angry at whoever let you out of your locker.
Imagine a bar owner suing passerby for not stopping by and drinking his beer.
The idea that a boycott is illegal is asinine.
Price fixing is an antitrust issue. Bid rigging is an antitrust issue.
Not buying a thing is not an antitrust issue, otherwise every single boycott ever would be one.
Why do people call it a boycott to begin with? It's literally not a boycott. It's a business decision where one spends their advertising money.
A boycott is specifically meant as a protest to punish a person/organization. If advertisers got together and decided that they didn't like Elon and thus all decided together to no longer advertise on twitter to punish him than he'd actually have a case. BUT IT'S NOT A FREAKING BOYCOTT!!!!!!!!!!!
@@lasagnahog7695 Even if they didn't like him, they don't have to give money to someone they don't like
Did you know that under US law certain boycotts are illegal?
@@teadrinker7098 like boycotting israel
@@teadrinker7098how the hell are they suppose to ban people from not buying a product or service?
What an asinine law, makes me think it was a law pushed by some super-PAC.
if a judge consistently allows frivolous cases and her judgement is continually get reversed by higher courts - is there any legal mechanism in place to eventually mark that judge as not operating in good legal faith and to be removed? seems like this is a needed component to prevent such continual abuse of law and judicial powers.
He also owns quite a bit of Tesla stock, funny that he's presiding over a case with Musk
No. In most states/areas in America, judges are life appointments. Sometimes they’re elected appointments too, which can get even worse.
@@Wired_UserI think they could theoretically be impeached and removed, but good luck getting that to go through. Ever.
States each have their own rules for appointing and removing judges. A number of states even require judges to be elected. Long story short, there are lots of ways of removing state judges, but it varies by state. Federal judges are the ones that receive lifetime appointments, but there are a number of ways of removing them, including defrocking for the reason you suggest (except for the Supremes, as it is always more difficult to remove someone at the top of the chain of authority). The issue is, making dumb judgments isn't the same as abuse of position. The Law has to investigate and prove abuse of position before action can be taken, and the AG of Texas, well... birds of a feather.
The judicial branch consistently shows that it is the most dysfunctional and corrupt branch of government and this is just yet another unsurprising example. I feel bad for all of the people who have to fight tooth and nail to bring a semblance of order and sanity in such broken system. They have their work cut out for them.
Meanwhile, X is literally flooded with ads of dropshipping and other scams labeled as advertisements 🤡
That would further encourage me to not put my advertisements there along with Musks own words and certain tweets.
So does youtube, I think, idk I have adblock.
@@VladLad yeah, if i say comment anything even remotely political, youtube immediately deletes my comment. But it never deletes spambot comments. How convenient, huh?
And somehow there's EVEN MORE bots on that platform. Seriously how does a guy promise to do measures to avoid a bot problem only for said bots to be more persistant and in higher numbers now.
@@VladLad last time i saw ads was a few months ago and yes the scam ads are thriving lol
*Peter Griffin voice:* Aw man. This is worse than that time the British declared war on China for refusing to buy their opium.
Anyone should be able to boycott anyone for any reason. No one owes you money.
elon is the lord Saviour of free speech, we all owe money to him, go and buy his blue tick mark right now.
“Free markets are not cool!” - entitled billionaires who are champions of “free markets”.
"Now that I have exploited free market to rise above everyone else, nobody else gets to do the same thing"
@Zorothegallade-gg7zg the thing is that they really didn't use the free market, 95% of the time they used generational wealth and sketchy corporate politics to continually fail upwards with very few successes.
They genuinely just want to not be able to fail.
Fundamentally, all corporations want to eventually use their resources to dominate and destroy the free market, forcing everyone else out of their industry and extracting as much money as they want and using that money to destroy any would-be competitor while making their product cheaper to produce and worse for the helpless consumer. Strict regulation is always needed in a market economy, or else you eventually end up with a dumber version of a planned economy.
That's not what a free market is. Definitionally, economic profit does not exist in a free market. Economic profit is different from what normal people understand as profit, but only in the sense that they include opportunity costs as real costs. So definitionally, an economist views a free market as a market in which zero people make more money than they would by not doing business at all.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 No, profit can exist in a free market.
It is just that the simplified economic models people use disregard Capital costs.
I love that they just completely missed the whole point of "banning hateful speech, racism, and the like bans conservative voices!!"
Like....tell on yourself a LITTLE harder.
They had problems banning nazis speech ( before Elon) because.... it would also ban republican politicians.... think about that. The algorithms couldn't tell a nazi and republican apart.
@@deltatea3192
We have hate speech laws for a reason.
For the good of society, there must be laws that do ban/penalize aspects of speech.
For instance, it is your first ammendment right to yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. However, you will be prosecuted if you scream fire when there is none and people get hurt.
I agree that the patriot act has been and is being abused by the US, but that extends further than free speech.
No, conservative speech as a whole really isn't actively suppressed.
Any conservative speech that is suppressed actively overlaps with hate speech, explicit calls to violence, etc.
And furthermore, if they are using private platforms for that speech, guess what! The platform can ban that speech.
@@deltatea3192 And I give YOU, modern-day Germany, where it is very illegal to do a hate speech, yet they seem to be just fine. It's almost like banning the nazis ...got rid of the nazis there 🤯
@@deltatea3192 What part of this has anything to do with laws? Twitter is a for profit platform and Elon and his puppet are driving it into the ground in violation of their fiduciary responsibilities to their shareholders to do everything in their power to make it profitable.
The slippery slope argument you claim to hate also makes no sense. “Civilians shouldn’t own RPG’s” will not cause a slippery slope that leads to 0 gun ownership. A platform saying “You can’t call a black person a stupid n word here.” Won’t cause soviet/Chinese style media control. It’s a bad faith argument and I feel like you know that too. Musk is essentially saying the existence of rules of any kind is antithetical to freedom. Which is a naive stupid argument a teenager would come up with
@@deltatea3192 This same argument can be easily flipped to conservative platforms being against progressive ideas. Met with similar ties to such acts being the beginning to the 4th Reich.
It's hyperbolic, knee jerk reactions because the internet has given people an inflated sense of importance on every little thing we say. Progressives and Conservatives seem to have been doing fine long before the internet even existed. A Twitter or Truth Social ban won't matter.
The fact rich people can just take legal actions they know are ludicrous against poor-er people and win not the actual suit but a war of attrition is just disgusting.
Anti-SLAPP Laws need to be National.
'This just in: Divorced dad having mental breakdown sues advertisers who f*cked off after he told them to f*ck off'
Older I get, the more this 'divorced dad' thing makes sense. How tf do they all turn into the weirdest creeps around? It's literally an epidemic! Turning into 1 big viscous cycle in a era of 'alpha male' bs that will only lead to more divorces. Rinse repeat.
Failing restaurants should sue the population of Towns they operate in. For unknowingly conspiring to drive the restaurant out of the business by not buying food there.
Would still be a more legitimate case than whatever Elon is trying to claim.
Hilarious tht you can't differentiate between a boycott and low demand for a product
@@zerog1037 I think it's even funnier you think I was genuinely trying to explain the situation instead of making a joke. :P
@@OneRedKraken The joke doesn't work if you don't use the same logic
@@zerog1037 You didn't like the joke, it's ok. Nothing to work out here. Have a great day.
Elon Musk complaining about anti-semitism from pro-Palestine slogans but will platform and agree with Nazis is so baffling honestly
Zionists and corporate stuff
the right is entirely defined by being not the left at this point
@@SimonBuchanNz Or by describing criminal activities as blandly as possible to downplay it
@@SimonBuchanNz
Yes, but how did the left become entangled with Hamas? Probably tik tok brainrot.
@@SimonBuchanNzthe poor right can’t want money from the rich right because the poor left want money from the rich elites. They actively don’t take money from the rich so they could survive… for the sake of sticking it to the left…
Why is every single person who is trying to sell a product so entitled nowadays?
It feels like every month there's another movie director or a video game studio that tells people "don't like it, don't buy!" and think of it as a moralist dup.
But then they do a surprised Pikachu face when people don't buy their product. Elon is doing the same and I am just baffled how stupid these people are.
That clip of Muskrat telling advertisers to screw themselves is great, because you can see him looking at the audience for the reaction he desperately wants, and then repeats himself when he doesn’t get it. What a tool
Imagine having billions upon billions and still not being able to buy applause lol
Calling him a tool is an insult to all tools out there.
At least tools are useful...
The most divorced man of all time
Lmao!!!!
He's even "divorced" from his kids 😂
I love that you're writing this with *that* pfp. I feel like Elon must have watched _Johnny Bravo_ growing up and thought, "Yes, that's what I want to be. But more."
😂
Oh boy, here come all the Elon stans with "Elon is taking down advertisement cartels" and "how dare we not recognize how amazing and great he his for being a magnanimous billionaire that we all could be if only we worked as hard as he did"
_Oh, how my emeralds spilleth over_
oddly, nope. i keep scrolling...they don't really exist any longer.
I haven't seen anything like that yet either.
I saw like one Tweet that got ratio'd by dozens of replies. Mind you the Tweet had like 10 likes and ratios weren't above 50 so it wasn't a big thing
@@TodBrilliant I found some on the first thread I looked at
@@TodBrilliantLucky you. I've seen several already claiming he's fighting for the underdogs
Nothing says "libertarian" like trying to argue that the state should compel private companies to purchase his products.
I can't believe this guy was once considered "The real-life Tony Stark".
Now he's acting like Robert Downey before he got clean.
He's not even a good enough to be Armie Hammer. At least that guy knew something other than grifting.
I remember taking simulation theory more seriously because of his thoughts on the topic. He wasn't on my radar before that. And the next thing I was aware of him doing was accusing a diver of being attracted to children because his stupid submarine wasn't used.
Same here.
Enron Mush
elon will go down as the highest profile case of internet brain rot in history
Maybe he had one of his own brain chips put in his head. That killed all of the lab animals they tried it on so far.
And one of the biggest cons in history, it's impressive how people eat his promises as he hasn't been lying about his products for over a decade
@@DrunkedOwlyuno de los mayores vendedores de humo que he visto
Consequences keyword consequences. You can be a racist, but then don't be shocked when people don't want to associate with you
I love how *everyone* still calls it Twitter lol
The US needs to start removing these incompetent judges that are more interested in pushing their personal beliefs and ideologies.
For real, all the judges who support "trans" nonsense need to go.
The fact that so many of these judges are so open about it and it's so commonly known that people purposely judge shop, seems like a huge ethical issue. It's hard to even pretend that the law is impartial and "justice is blind" when judges aren't even trying to hide their biases anymore.
@BatDad-qu4fo Agreed. The biggest problem is how they are appointed, which has been weaponized by political parties. The best way to avoid this is by including a third party in the process, such as the bar association. That way, only qualified, impartial judges could be appointed.
Also, allowing the bar to discipline and remove judges would help immensely.
It should be illegal to bully individuals and small organizations into bankruptcy through frivolous lawsuits.
it is, just not in Wichita Falls Texas