I've noticed. And when it comes to reviews you should take all the awards.the content is clear and precise. I can buy anything you put a stamp of approval on..keep up the great work..
From 10:05 you mentioned 2011-2015 is a bargain of a century and it surely is. I got myself a Gen 4 2014 model for 11000 AUD with quickshifter and a full system. Simply love it! These bikes especially Gen 4 is very underrated. The rider needs to work as you mentioned but that is the enjoyment and achievement once you get what you need.
The standard 16/17 zx10r all you need is link pipe akra or whatever pipe you prefer with a race filter , get it tuned and enable the auto blip downshift which is there from factory. Get the suspension dialled in for you. Go buy light weight wheels when you have enough cash and you've just saved yourself the cost of buying a zx10rr and it was cheaper . Change a sprocket for whatever track you go to and you wont complain about mid range. When you remove factory restrictions the bike really does come alive .
Jeff Smith True , the only thing that is off significance is those wheels. My 10 is well sorted and with the tune and akra its perfect . Get some light weight wheels later on and perfect.
Wonderful review. I'm coming off a ZX-10RR and have an order on a Panigale V4S, but like you guys I'm impressed with this bike and looking forward to what Kawasaki has in store for their next generation ZX. I might end up back in team green when that comes out.
Awesome review! I’ve had a 2013 with full akro, tune and ohlins front and rear and always thought they were a lot of bike for the $, this tempts me though!
That was an excellent overview! The LCD instruments are dated and not always easy to read, but tiny TFTs (for me) are often harder to read at a glance. The rainbow tachometer was a nice feature, very visible, too bad it didn't stay with the 2021s.
What a great review, thank you for the history. I went on gumtree and found a gem of a 2011 model with full exhaust, power commander and many more upgrades for $10,000 AUD
I own a 2004 and will never get rid of it. It's one of the best bikes I've ever been on and I have rode a lot of them. I'll even be bringing it back to Road America again this year.
Fast Bikes Magazine yes I bought it with one. I'm surprised you didn't mention how bad the brakes are on this model or that the frames broke. Great bike for sure, but not without it's faults.
There are some excellent channels out there (Revzilla, FortNine, Chaos Cause, The Illestrator (sic), 44 Teeth, Motorrad, to name a few.), and you guys are certainly in that top tier list too.
just revisiting the review as I am in the market for a 2nd bike and had a 2012 back then for a couple years which I really liked, I like your reviews and the clear content, good mix of facts and feelings, personal view with caveats rather than some who just say 'its too small' when they are 6'5" ! you should do more reviews like this !!
Good honest review .Since 2011 the 10R has been one of the best.Full exhaust and de-restrict (flash) the ECU and you have a excellent race machine for competition or track use.
Great review. I never understand the issue re the screen. Yes agreed it's not an expected tft but honestly I never look at the gauges . Didn't look at it thirty yrs ago when I started riding rarely do it now.
Horses for courses. I have to say that I love looking at my dash on the XSR 900. I love the simplicity, the off-centre design, and the neo-retro look to the digital counter.
Personally I agree with you completely, I couldn't give a monkey's left nut about a dash (although I do like a good rev-counter!), nor what a bike even looks like for that matter - how it makes me feel is the kicker. But from a work perspective, given it costs the same as others and what the majority of consumers expect for near £19k, it's a miss, no getting away from it.
Agree 100% Who gives a f*** as long as the bike rides as is does? I think people who complain about the cockpit should go buy a Ducati or a Harley Davidson, or something similar. You buy a Kawasaki for the performance, everything else is secondary.
Sometimes it feels like critics can´t find any real issue to complain about and being fanboys of another brand, they fall back on the old "Meeh I don't like the colour of the speedo-cable"..
Less false neutrals would be the first box I'd want ticked and then comes that atrocious dash/tach... Fulgy as heck and I wouldn't touch it when the other choices out there are devastating when compared to this bike. IMHO
I dont want more lowdown grunt, its already good as it is. Plus, tht feature will help a lot of non expert rider to have a learning curve while having a 1 litre bike
Good review. Must admit looking forward to what Neeves has to say. But this has my attention when I'd previously dismiss it. Do some 'easy' yoga - yes yoga not weight training - four or five times a week. Suppleness and core strength and I bet you'd enjoy this even more.
The channel logo on a wide screen got me crazy. I thought it was a stain on my screen 😅...Great video btw as I am buying a newbike... thanks for the review
Bike world this is one of the most amazing review of Kawasaki ZX 10R SE, and BJ what a fabulous presentation buddy, so slick, Thanks guys.. (Now I want one #TeamGreen)👍👍.
This was a GREAT breakdown and review for this bike. Half way through this vid. I HAD to hit the SUBSCRIBE button and ring that bell. I’m impressed and amazed at this breakdown of this bike. It’s actually the next bike on my list to buy and I also agree Kawasaki needs to change that dash for the 2019 models 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
My friend just got the RR and I got a chance to ride it - really easy to ride, and with its engine's dynamic, feels just like a more powerful 600. I even ALMOST bought a 2015 model (which is pretty much a 2011) for $12k USD, new (a steal), before I decided on my R1. It's a great bike, but like you said, for the money, the competition has it beat.
Everyone, including myself, complains about the outdated speedometer but you have to admit, when RACING, its the best tachometer to have out of all the bikes!
Really great review 👏 I've literally just px my 2013 CBR600RR for a 2015 30th anniversary ZX10R it gets delivered on the 29th I really can't wait 😁🙌I wanted a fireblade SP1 but newborn and house move forced me to look elsewhere and found the kwaka at what I think is a bargain at less than 9k,and only 10.000 on the clock with an ackra exhaust,ridden lots of litre bikes and a few of the newest but never a kawasaki
I like that point! "Having to throw the anchor on them to slow them down" kawasaki for many years struggled to win wsbk champ. Why dont the other manufactures catch up.
What is the difference between this and the H2 SX SE. I know that the one is supercharged but what else? Is the H2 SX SE worth that much more than this bike ?
Oof, well, it's more stable but the Gixer is lighter on its feet and steers faster - what I'm really looking forward to is these forks on the Gixer, Kawasaki have the exclusive deal for 2018, so I'm hoping to see some on the Suzuki soon!
Its funny how you say its a big girl. Its no bigger than the model before it. But the model before had minimal frontal fairing. Racers fitted bigger fairings to the older version so kawasaki met their needs. It does look bigger i admit and it does take more effort to make same lap times as some competitors. Im 6 foot 4 and i love the riding position so i was suprised you didnt like that. These zx10s need the rear spring to be spot on for your weight. It makes the bike alot easier to ride hard
For long journeys regarding the foot to seat thingy, having done big mileage on a stocker (and the previous model was the same), after a few hours it becomes a bit much on the hips! For track riding it's completely fine.
The new colour "TFT" so-called dashes are also LCD. They should really be called colour LCD versus b&w LCD. A bit like almost all wheels have spokes and the o/r style should be stated as "wire spoked". ;)
Pretty sure that's what the guy who highsided on this very day was thinking as he flew through the air! Good electronics set properly are an aid, not a replacement for skill, this is a much misunderstood facet of electronics as you can still launch yourself into oblivion, although we completely understand the sentiment chap.
His arguments about the zx10r don't make any sense at all imho. Like the zx10r is not good but the rr version is great, wtf. You can flash the ecu to get autoblip for 100 bucks and the weight difference between the two models is like 2kg nothing but the wheels and the exhaust. Btw I own a zx10r and I think it has the best price/performance ratio. I remember the first time I jumped on it I felt like I was on a bicycle, light as a feather.
arkama67 yeah this dude is an idiot the 10R an the RR have the same front suspension and same Forks is pretty much the same . The wheels and the autoblip
If you can point out where I said the R isn't any good I'd agree with you, but I didn't! 'A very good bike' were the exact words used, I was just pointing out that I got on with the RR better as the wheels and blipper make a big difference on track as the unsprung-weight loss makes it more agile. Lose 2kg off the rest of the bike, meh, lose it off the wheels - big difference. As for the (2016 onwards) ZX being (or feeling) light as a feather, dude, words never uttered by anyone who does this job anywhere in the world ever who has ridden pretty much any competitor bike. If it feels that way to you, and you're not just taking umbrage because you own one, then you are one strong fella! ;-)
Lighter wheels = less unsprung-weight = far quicker and more accurate steering, and the blipper releases more personal concentration computation for corner entry, ergo, those two things make a huge difference to the ride, feel and performance of the bike while making the rider's job easier - pure physics and biology. And you forgot the word 'complete' before the word 'idiot', if you're going to blithely chuck insults about I insist you at least do it properly! ;-)
Dude I cannot begin to fathom your reasoning since I'm only a mere consumer and don't have the luxury to have a magazine flying me near the manufacturers to try new bikes. Yes your points are valid less unsprung mass is better dah yeah autoblip is a must. But I agree with FMJ88 it is essentially the same bike, same core same engine same fork. You cannot say the zx10r doesn't cut it with the competition but one year later they nailed it because rr marketing with wheels and autoblip those two things are only options on the bike.
Bro if you plan on making some serious power the RR is the way to go, no the engines are not excactly the same, the RR has stiffer valve springs, the tappets have a friction reducing coating on them and more importantly, the heads on the RR are factory machined to except high lift cams then you through in the lightweight wheels and auto blipper and when you consider what it would cost to have all that work done on a 10R you'd realize how good of a deal the RR is, throw in a set of race cams, increase rev limit, some bolt on's and you're looking at a 220whp bike with a RR, can't do that with the 10R without machining the head. So there are reasons why a RR may be considered worth it's price, you may not see it but the smarter people do...no offence
talking about the "best suspension" in the world on a street bike is something the average rider won't even notice or care about (except for bragging rights). and for the racer, they're going to replace all these components anyway. i'll stick with my 2013 zx10r on full ohlins race ready that i picked up for 1/4 of the price of this bike. these bikes are getting stupid expensive. i do appreciate your honesty specifically towards the end. i had to revise my statement as that is exactly my thoughts on this bike.
I found it a bit odd that you were sitting in a corner like you had been in trouble, but what you had to say about the bike was outstanding. Great review, which is what is really important.
Fast Bikes Magazine the "RR" model but not the model u just tested. Think it needs a bit more to warrant the high price. I'm sure team green guys will happily buy it like Honda guys will buy the blade but to get new customers I'm not sure its enough to sway them. As u said there is another few bikes at that price that sell out quickly
"And 2006 came and she put on a bit of weight and got a bit fat." Sounds like he's describing my wife! (Typing while nervously looking over my shoulder) 😂😁
If you take a closer look at the competition I.E. the Ducati Panigale R, the ZX10R SE is super cheap. In WSBK it has been dominating for years, its 1000ccm where as the Ducati is 1300ccm (Imagine a 1300ccm unrestricted kawa - Would be running circles around the Panigale R). This obvious 30% size-handicap we never hear about, even though it has always been engine size that decides if a "bike 1 vs bike 2" is fair.. Anyone remember the ZX7R? Got so heavily restricted in racing (Otherwise the Ducati´s wouldnt be able to compete) - That Kawasaki finally had enough and did WSBK racing instead.
The R1M will hold it's value far better than the ZX10 will and for 1k more it's well worth it, also it'll be faster on a track as the ZX10 gearbox seems to suite no track I know of.
Get what you're saying, but in terms of what the majority of consumers expect from the thick end of £19k, it's a miss. Personally speaking, I don't care about a dash or even what a bike looks like, it's how it makes me feel that's the kicker, but from a professional perspective it must be brought up.
It's a tricky one given the suspension is the most advanced on the market, it's likely priced about right with that in mind, it's just for that money the majority of consumers now have certain expectations, where if they did add a brand new flash dash it'd probably be £20k!
I must say, out of all the various publications and channels doing reviews, you guys consistently do the best job.
Cheers
Thank you QQ!
And no, I’ve made my mind up already, before I’ve even seen it because it’s a Kawasaki, unlike other journalists
I agree
I've noticed. And when it comes to reviews you should take all the awards.the content is clear and precise. I can buy anything you put a stamp of approval on..keep up the great work..
Thanks Vincent!
The bike is butter smooth 👌 another beautiful masterpiece from Ninja.... Dark Beauty....😍😍
Brutally candid review. Keep them coming.
Pleasure!
One of the best bike reviews on RUclips..! Thank you ..!
Cheers!
From 10:05 you mentioned 2011-2015 is a bargain of a century and it surely is. I got myself a Gen 4 2014 model for 11000 AUD with quickshifter and a full system. Simply love it! These bikes especially Gen 4 is very underrated. The rider needs to work as you mentioned but that is the enjoyment and achievement once you get what you need.
Boom!
Got a gen 3, 15k miles zx10r for $4500. Thanks to offer up app lol
One of the best, most honest reviews i've seen on RUclips. Congrats
Schisma28 thanks
I love Kawasaki and I would always buy a 10r again!
The 10r SE is a very good update
AeroR Entertainment
As always.. Top notch production quality!
Ta very much, Bike World do a cracking job!
Your review are just perfect. Great road/track choice ,quality is outstanding.
Thanks Vincent, these go on TV so we need to keep the quality up.
The standard 16/17 zx10r all you need is link pipe akra or whatever pipe you prefer with a race filter , get it tuned and enable the auto blip downshift which is there from factory. Get the suspension dialled in for you. Go buy light weight wheels when you have enough cash and you've just saved yourself the cost of buying a zx10rr and it was cheaper . Change a sprocket for whatever track you go to and you wont complain about mid range. When you remove factory restrictions the bike really does come alive .
Spot on!
I like how the zx10 isnt enough but the RR is where it’s at. Lol 13K vs 19K
Jeff Smith True , the only thing that is off significance is those wheels. My 10 is well sorted and with the tune and akra its perfect . Get some light weight wheels later on and perfect.
Jeff Smith here in the Philippines, the zx10r is about $16,000+ assuming $1=50pesos, while the zx10rr is $18,000+.
The zx10RR has a race ready engine and transmission.....so it's not as close to a regular zx10r ....
Great informal review. Very honest and that came through 👍
Would love to see you guys to a Supernaked shoot out, MCN’s is a bit rubbish.
Cheers Jim, that's something we're working on...
Thanks Jim!
I'm with Jim
It's so aesthetically pleasing
Straight forward review with no b.s. good job
Ta!
Wonderful review. I'm coming off a ZX-10RR and have an order on a Panigale V4S, but like you guys I'm impressed with this bike and looking forward to what Kawasaki has in store for their next generation ZX. I might end up back in team green when that comes out.
Xmasochist bro you did a good choice v4s is the best MACHINE you can get In the road enjoy that Italian beauty 😉
Awesome review! I’ve had a 2013 with full akro, tune and ohlins front and rear and always thought they were a lot of bike for the $, this tempts me though!
Sounds like you've already got a serious weapon there buddy!
That was an excellent overview! The LCD instruments are dated and not always easy to read, but tiny TFTs (for me) are often harder to read at a glance. The rainbow tachometer was a nice feature, very visible, too bad it didn't stay with the 2021s.
Cheers Ricardo!
What a great review, thank you for the history. I went on gumtree and found a gem of a 2011 model with full exhaust, power commander and many more upgrades for $10,000 AUD
Sweet!
Excellent review!!!
Nothing like the 10r, I will keep my 2013 for another 2 years and then grab the 2020 .
@@boscohemi3874 I'll keep my 2008 for another 5 years and do the same lol
instablaster.
I own a 2004 and will never get rid of it. It's one of the best bikes I've ever been on and I have rode a lot of them. I'll even be bringing it back to Road America again this year.
Not surprised, barking mad things they are, hope you've got a steering damper on her! ;-)
Fast Bikes Magazine yes I bought it with one. I'm surprised you didn't mention how bad the brakes are on this model or that the frames broke. Great bike for sure, but not without it's faults.
There are some excellent channels out there (Revzilla, FortNine, Chaos Cause, The Illestrator (sic), 44 Teeth, Motorrad, to name a few.), and you guys are certainly in that top tier list too.
Cheers, Bike World do a great job huh?
Gerhard Symons What about powerdrift?
THEY ARE AWSMMMMM AS WELL.
What a great review from one of the best again love your work mate.
Thank you Simon!
Another fantastic review, very impressed with your work
Thanks Tom
And the 1st one.
Cheers Tom!
Fast Bikes Magazine cheers gents
Excellent review. Informal for every day riders, honest for track riders and just good bike knowledge. Cheers!
just revisiting the review as I am in the market for a 2nd bike and had a 2012 back then for a couple years which I really liked, I like your reviews and the clear content, good mix of facts and feelings, personal view with caveats rather than some who just say 'its too small' when they are 6'5" ! you should do more reviews like this !!
Been doing them for decades! Thanks dude!
Good honest review .Since 2011 the 10R has been one of the best.Full exhaust and de-restrict (flash) the ECU and you have a excellent race machine for competition or track use.
Cheers!
Smashing review. I love the area around Almeria track. Stunning spaghetti western country!
Brilliant review ! cant wait for the next
Cheers Joseph!
Good honest review. Excellent.
Ta!
Great review. I never understand the issue re the screen. Yes agreed it's not an expected tft but honestly I never look at the gauges . Didn't look at it thirty yrs ago when I started riding rarely do it now.
Horses for courses. I have to say that I love looking at my dash on the XSR 900. I love the simplicity, the off-centre design, and the neo-retro look to the digital counter.
Personally I agree with you completely, I couldn't give a monkey's left nut about a dash (although I do like a good rev-counter!), nor what a bike even looks like for that matter - how it makes me feel is the kicker. But from a work perspective, given it costs the same as others and what the majority of consumers expect for near £19k, it's a miss, no getting away from it.
Agree 100% Who gives a f*** as long as the bike rides as is does? I think people who complain about the cockpit should go buy a Ducati or a Harley Davidson, or something similar. You buy a Kawasaki for the performance, everything else is secondary.
Sometimes it feels like critics can´t find any real issue to complain about and being fanboys of another brand, they fall back on the old "Meeh I don't like the colour of the speedo-cable"..
BJ, really nice review! Keep them coming. I cannot stop watching every blog you posted! Cheers!
Much appreciated!
Advice to kawasaki:
1. New dash
2. More lowdown grunt
And make it weight under 200KG (like the Gen4 @198kg)
Less false neutrals would be the first box I'd want ticked and then comes that atrocious dash/tach... Fulgy as heck and I wouldn't touch it when the other choices out there are devastating when compared to this bike. IMHO
Don’t forget the weight issue right now with the ZX10r
I dont want more lowdown grunt, its already good as it is. Plus, tht feature will help a lot of non expert rider to have a learning curve while having a 1 litre bike
Great review guys! I can't wait to get out and test ride one of these babies.
BJ.. Your review was spot on and informative. You answer many of many questions. Well done.
Thanks very much indeed!
Good review. Must admit looking forward to what Neeves has to say. But this has my attention when I'd previously dismiss it.
Do some 'easy' yoga - yes yoga not weight training - four or five times a week. Suppleness and core strength and I bet you'd enjoy this even more.
Previous injuries don't help, but funny enough I was thinking of Yoga!
This is how one should review a bike. Excellent!
Thanks!
I have a 2017 ZX 10 RR, The complaint of having no low end grunt,, goes away after you drop 1-2 teeth from the front sprocket and get the ECU Flashed
Yep it does you're bang on, something we have done to longtermer ZXs in the past too!
Would you suggest that to any year zx10r? I have the 2008 zx10r
The channel logo on a wide screen got me crazy. I thought it was a stain on my screen 😅...Great video btw as I am buying a newbike... thanks for the review
Fantastic review👍
Cheers!
Bike world this is one of the most amazing review of Kawasaki ZX 10R SE, and BJ what a fabulous presentation buddy, so slick, Thanks guys.. (Now I want one #TeamGreen)👍👍.
Thanks very much!
This was a GREAT breakdown and review for this bike. Half way through this vid. I HAD to hit the SUBSCRIBE button and ring that bell. I’m impressed and amazed at this breakdown of this bike. It’s actually the next bike on my list to buy and I also agree Kawasaki needs to change that dash for the 2019 models 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Cheers!
Awesome review. He is a great narrator. He should have to be owner of personal channel.
Thanks! Most of this is down to Bike World's great work, but you can find more Fast Bikes stuff here: ruclips.net/user/FastBikesMagvideos
My friend just got the RR and I got a chance to ride it - really easy to ride, and with its engine's dynamic, feels just like a more powerful 600. I even ALMOST bought a 2015 model (which is pretty much a 2011) for $12k USD, new (a steal), before I decided on my R1. It's a great bike, but like you said, for the money, the competition has it beat.
R1, great choice!
Everyone, including myself, complains about the outdated speedometer but you have to admit, when RACING, its the best tachometer to have out of all the bikes!
Great review and honest pick up mine next week can’t wait 😛
Really, really good review.
Thanks
Ta!
still think the 2008 one is one of the best looking super bikes you can get, especially in full black
I liked it in orange!
all the lower displacements are going LED, but this looks like a halogen lamp?
Did... Anyone else notice the random circle at 2:39?
Always love this bike
Dam it now I want one m, what a bike, I just wish the dash would get updated
Great review, I always enjoy the videos on this channel. I need more money so I can buy these new bikes.
As do we all! And thank you!
Really great review 👏 I've literally just px my 2013 CBR600RR for a 2015 30th anniversary ZX10R it gets delivered on the 29th I really can't wait 😁🙌I wanted a fireblade SP1 but newborn and house move forced me to look elsewhere and found the kwaka at what I think is a bargain at less than 9k,and only 10.000 on the clock with an ackra exhaust,ridden lots of litre bikes and a few of the newest but never a kawasaki
Hope you're enjoying it!
Is there a new model Kawasaki zx10r coming out within a two year period
I know Kawasaki should come with tft displays but that rpm and shift lights look awesome they don't need to change rpm meter
What a bike....I want this bike.... it's really Damm beauty
to be honest the 2011 to 2015 zx10 were much better looking but I have to give it to kawi they did improve on the bikes performance overall
I like that point! "Having to throw the anchor on them to slow them down" kawasaki for many years struggled to win wsbk champ. Why dont the other manufactures catch up.
Nice review, Kawasaki should change dashboard for a TFT, and it's on par with all others.
Any chance we can get a review of the newest Versys 1000LT?
Nice, thorough review.
Cheers Jean!
Great review, thanks guys!
Cheers!
what is the music at 11:15? As excellent as the video was.
i hope it will be available at kawasaki indonesia
as usual, fantastic review!
Cheers Robson!
A very good review unlike American test riders where they over dramatize and talk shit keep good work up mate
Cheers Russell!
What is the difference between this and the H2 SX SE. I know that the one is supercharged but what else? Is the H2 SX SE worth that much more than this bike ?
That's a super tourer, this is pure sportsbike.
Good honest review!
Our pleasure!
very good review full of useful information
Cheers James!
do you guys think this is a better bike than the Ducati Panigale v4?
...what exactly are you doing with the handlebars at 3:30?
Ummm, holding them?! ;-)
i would like to ask which is better.. a zx10rr or zx10 r se?
SE all day long! Some great bits from the RR and the Showa suspension is literally unbelievably good.
Japanese engineering, Can’t beat it.
How does it handle on the road/track compared to the GSXR L7r? Apart from the brakes obviously 😁
Oof, well, it's more stable but the Gixer is lighter on its feet and steers faster - what I'm really looking forward to is these forks on the Gixer, Kawasaki have the exclusive deal for 2018, so I'm hoping to see some on the Suzuki soon!
Fast Bikes Magazine same situation as with the bff forks on my R, read somewhere its why they delayed the launch of the L7
Its funny how you say its a big girl. Its no bigger than the model before it. But the model before had minimal frontal fairing. Racers fitted bigger fairings to the older version so kawasaki met their needs. It does look bigger i admit and it does take more effort to make same lap times as some competitors. Im 6 foot 4 and i love the riding position so i was suprised you didnt like that. These zx10s need the rear spring to be spot on for your weight. It makes the bike alot easier to ride hard
For long journeys regarding the foot to seat thingy, having done big mileage on a stocker (and the previous model was the same), after a few hours it becomes a bit much on the hips! For track riding it's completely fine.
why no LED display in bike :( ?
Id like to see a drag race between this and the 2018 Gsx-R
The new colour "TFT" so-called dashes are also LCD. They should really be called colour LCD versus b&w LCD. A bit like almost all wheels have spokes and the o/r style should be stated as "wire spoked". ;)
Let's try auto steering next. Then you can watch from the trackside. Could be the ultimate safety feature.
Pretty sure that's what the guy who highsided on this very day was thinking as he flew through the air! Good electronics set properly are an aid, not a replacement for skill, this is a much misunderstood facet of electronics as you can still launch yourself into oblivion, although we completely understand the sentiment chap.
His arguments about the zx10r don't make any sense at all imho.
Like the zx10r is not good but the rr version is great, wtf. You can flash the ecu to get autoblip for 100 bucks and the weight difference between the two models is like 2kg nothing but the wheels and the exhaust.
Btw I own a zx10r and I think it has the best price/performance ratio. I remember the first time I jumped on it I felt like I was on a bicycle, light as a feather.
arkama67 yeah this dude is an idiot the 10R an the RR have the same front suspension and same Forks is pretty much the same . The wheels and the autoblip
If you can point out where I said the R isn't any good I'd agree with you, but I didn't! 'A very good bike' were the exact words used, I was just pointing out that I got on with the RR better as the wheels and blipper make a big difference on track as the unsprung-weight loss makes it more agile. Lose 2kg off the rest of the bike, meh, lose it off the wheels - big difference. As for the (2016 onwards) ZX being (or feeling) light as a feather, dude, words never uttered by anyone who does this job anywhere in the world ever who has ridden pretty much any competitor bike. If it feels that way to you, and you're not just taking umbrage because you own one, then you are one strong fella! ;-)
Lighter wheels = less unsprung-weight = far quicker and more accurate steering, and the blipper releases more personal concentration computation for corner entry, ergo, those two things make a huge difference to the ride, feel and performance of the bike while making the rider's job easier - pure physics and biology. And you forgot the word 'complete' before the word 'idiot', if you're going to blithely chuck insults about I insist you at least do it properly! ;-)
Dude I cannot begin to fathom your reasoning since I'm only a mere consumer and don't have the luxury to have a magazine flying me near the manufacturers to try new bikes. Yes your points are valid less unsprung mass is better dah yeah autoblip is a must.
But I agree with FMJ88 it is essentially the same bike, same core same engine same fork. You cannot say the zx10r doesn't cut it with the competition but one year later they nailed it because rr marketing with wheels and autoblip those two things are only options on the bike.
Bro if you plan on making some serious power the RR is the way to go, no the engines are not excactly the same, the RR has stiffer valve springs, the tappets have a friction reducing coating on them and more importantly, the heads on the RR are factory machined to except high lift cams then you through in the lightweight wheels and auto blipper and when you consider what it would cost to have all that work done on a 10R you'd realize how good of a deal the RR is, throw in a set of race cams, increase rev limit, some bolt on's and you're looking at a 220whp bike with a RR, can't do that with the 10R without machining the head. So there are reasons why a RR may be considered worth it's price, you may not see it but the smarter people do...no offence
You are underrated my man 😢😢💚💚💚💚
Boi Troi w
perfect review, thx alot!
Thanks back!
oh, i just noticed the zx-10r key are the same design as the ninja H2
talking about the "best suspension" in the world on a street bike is something the average rider won't even notice or care about (except for bragging rights). and for the racer, they're going to replace all these components anyway. i'll stick with my 2013 zx10r on full ohlins race ready that i picked up for 1/4 of the price of this bike. these bikes are getting stupid expensive. i do appreciate your honesty specifically towards the end. i had to revise my statement as that is exactly my thoughts on this bike.
Nicely edited, you were quick!
I found it a bit odd that you were sitting in a corner like you had been in trouble, but what you had to say about the bike was outstanding. Great review, which is what is really important.
Ha! Thanks Robert
Great Review!!!
Thanks Darian!
I remember when I had 2004 zx10r mental.
Literally insane in the membrane those things!
Great review!
I think maybe a lower price tag like the GSXR would turn more heads but at that price the kwack wouldn't get a look in from me.
The RR is roughly the same price as the Suzuki RR?
Fast Bikes Magazine the "RR" model but not the model u just tested.
Think it needs a bit more to warrant the high price.
I'm sure team green guys will happily buy it like Honda guys will buy the blade but to get new customers I'm not sure its enough to sway them.
As u said there is another few bikes at that price that sell out quickly
Yeah Team Greeners should love it, but then anything with this kind of suspension on is going to be expensive until the tech' becomes much cheaper.
Fast Bikes Magazine that's understandable
(It didn’t quite cut it against the competition) yet its won the wsbk title 3 years in a row!, makes you wonder if there’s a bias here.
Comparing standard production bikes with racing results is a pointless endeavor, even when it comes to Superstock classes.
"And 2006 came and she put on a bit of weight and got a bit fat." Sounds like he's describing my wife!
(Typing while nervously looking over my shoulder) 😂😁
Oh crumbs, I put words in your mouth! Oops... ;-)
nice review
Thanks Javed!
Nice job.
This is the best superbike in 2018?
We'll find out after SBOTY!
Super!
Is that Bill Belichick at 6:03? :)
Hahaha love how he say 2004 is animal xd i got it best bike ever. It is old but still goes like a bulet.😎
It's a crazy weapon alright!
If you take a closer look at the competition I.E. the Ducati Panigale R, the ZX10R SE is super cheap. In WSBK it has been dominating for years, its 1000ccm where as the Ducati is 1300ccm (Imagine a 1300ccm unrestricted kawa - Would be running circles around the Panigale R). This obvious 30% size-handicap we never hear about, even though it has always been engine size that decides if a "bike 1 vs bike 2" is fair.. Anyone remember the ZX7R? Got so heavily restricted in racing (Otherwise the Ducati´s wouldnt be able to compete) - That Kawasaki finally had enough and did WSBK racing instead.
The R1M will hold it's value far better than the ZX10 will and for 1k more it's well worth it, also it'll be faster on a track as the ZX10 gearbox seems to suite no track I know of.
I am 100% with you about the dash. I have a zx10 and I hate it.
In my opinion that’s the best dash there is I don’t really want some boring iPad on my bike
Get what you're saying, but in terms of what the majority of consumers expect from the thick end of £19k, it's a miss. Personally speaking, I don't care about a dash or even what a bike looks like, it's how it makes me feel that's the kicker, but from a professional perspective it must be brought up.
Fast Bikes Magazine what would you say it should cost compared to its competitors?
It's a tricky one given the suspension is the most advanced on the market, it's likely priced about right with that in mind, it's just for that money the majority of consumers now have certain expectations, where if they did add a brand new flash dash it'd probably be £20k!
which song plz ?