Nate hi. ~ 2:20 I was yammering on about the chain. If 1/2 skip is semi-skip then yes. For falling & saw testing I only run chisel teeth sharped square. Thanks for watching.
I could not move this video to the front of the series and had to delete it to start over. There were 21 comments posted in the first rendition of the video uploaded earlier. I copied all the original dialog sans the user's avatar. I do apologize for the inconvenience. cody K 3 weeks ago • Good job on the tach Show lessRead more3 weeks ago Baron Manor 2 weeks ago • Nice content. Love your channel. Thanks man Show lessRead more2 weeks ago JeepWoodsFun 3 weeks ago • been following for a long time, i really like your videos. completely off topic but what would you want in a saw for milling? what mods are more milling friendly? is upping the compression going to help me at all? Show lessRead more3 weeks ago David Kucharski 3 weeks ago • I'm in the same boat.. Show lessRead more3 weeks ago hotsaws101 hotsaws101 3 weeks ago • JWF hi. Thanks for watching. Milling is like a dyno run for a saw. More power than normal. You want max (if time is of the essence) lowend grunt and then run it a little on the rich side. A lot of the time, I would fatten up the high a fuzz if there was a big rip ahead of me. Invariably, there would be some chain dulling fun nugget hiding out in process. Show lessRead more 3 weeks ago john Reed 23 hours ago • Between the 660 and 661 what one do you think would last the longest and would the 660 or 661 handle a longer bar better? Is there a way to get a 661 with adjustable carb in the states? Show lessRead more23 hours ago hotsaws101 50 minutes ago • John hi. The 066/660s are a known quantity. Pretty bulletproof if you keep the air filter clean. Bottomend problems of you don't. The 661s are known the crack cases. I never heard of that in a 660 unless it was from a rollover or some other catastrophe. I think that the factory boys are on their 4 rendering of fuel metering solenoid right now too. Maybe 2nd or 3rd controller/mapping software upgrade. So, still tweaking the process. The 661s use exhaust to stratify which means they run at a higher temperature than the 660s. Nod to the 660 platform regarding longevity. BUT, try and find a primo one right now to zipp...... I think that the 661s an made to run a little better than the ms660s (but not so much than the early 066s as you will see in the 5 part series of an early version 066 and a late version 661 I'm posting now). It would depend upon whether or not they will get zipped as well. The 661s are a little doggy in stockly (sickly) form. Thanks for watching. Show lessRead more 50 minutes ago Woos31 • Alright this is my kind of comparison Jack! Those 066-661 size saws have a soft spot for me in the pump house so I'm especially looking forward to these two builds in the one ton saws (066-661) if you will as to the 3/4 ton saws (046-461 maybe 462 as a "light" 3/4 ton) cinematography series. If that truly is an 066........ that thing is oober cherry for the condition it's sporting on the plastic! But they sell new plastic everyday as well so I guess you'll tell all when you pop the hood eh Jack lol? Thanks for the video and thanks go to Action J on swamper duty for your ol man on the test site and on the tachs Show lessRead more 3 weeks ago hotsaws101 hotsaws101 3 weeks ago (edited) • Woos - thanks for watching. The 462 is more of a 1/2 ton from my perspective. That's based on the 3/4 nod for the 461 from a performance angle. Overall, the 066 was in decent condition. I think it's all original. It's a 10mm crank model with the heavy metal flywheel. New piston and crank bearings will be part of the deal as well as. So it has a fair amount of time on it but was very well taken care of. With that, the 661 has a lot less use and you can hear it struggling. Also, this is around 3000' in elevation. That partially why the 661 and some of the other saws (390 for example) have a hard time running well. Show lessRead more 3 weeks ago (edited) Woos 31 3 weeks ago • @hotsaws101 I thoroughly enjoy all the content pard! As for the 462.. ......I sure would've thought it to be an equal to if not improvement on the 461 as being the same "size" saw. Although being untrained as I am thus is likely due to the engine design itself to meet emission compliance and move "forward" with technology. I for one am very much looking forward to the 066-661 builds if you're gearing them toward a series comparison like some you've recently done in a stock to NOT type scenario. Keep up the cool content and safe cuttin out there when you get to some of it Jack! Show lessRead more 3 weeks ago hotsaws101 hotsaws101 2 weeks ago • Physically they are close. Displacement wise it's 72.2cc vs 76.45cc. I've said for years that 3cc in a saw is a big deal. Stockly, they run about the same. That is the end of it though. The 461 is going to spank the 462 every time provided all things were done equally. I was going to do that yes. Thanks for watching. Show lessRead more 2 weeks ago Woos 31 2 weeks ago • @hotsaws101 interesting findings between those two. Can't wait for the one ton saw builds myself! Show lessRead more2 weeks ago Marcus M 1 week ago • Thats something my old man has told me about the new Stihls is that they mostly seem to lack low end power. I havent spent enough time running them to personally know. Have you come across any of the new gen Stihls with good low end? Take it easy out there Jack. Show lessRead more 1 week ago hotsaws101 hotsaws101 40 minutes ago • Marcus hi. I have spent a fair amount of time in operation of some of the new Stihl saws. They are geared toward hp and high rpms not torque. They just don't have the bottom end power of their predecessors. There are reasons for this and it is purposeful in the design as far as I can tell. Thanks for watching. Show lessRead more 40 minutes ago FishFind3000 3 weeks ago • So in an m tronic engine like the ms362 c-m would it be advised to use extra oil as the mix is leaner? Would this help longevity? I’m using stihls grey bottle oil there premium or platinum one and at 50:1. What should I do that will give me power and longevity? Show lessRead more3 weeks ago View 6 replies Stepp of Faith 3 weeks ago • Do what the people that designed the chainsaw and is giving you a warrenty wants you to do. Modded saws are different. Their mapping is not the same as a stock saw. Show lessRead more3 weeks ago FishFind3000 3 weeks ago • @Stepp of Faith my warranty is up and I have a muffler mod. I want my saw to last but with these EPA rulings idk how long its gonna go since its leaner vs the older saws. Show lessRead more3 weeks ago Randy Smith 3 weeks ago • I have the 362 cm . I put a extra hole in the exhaust next to the other hole. Put the same size. It runs great and i run a 28 inch bar no problem. I only run non ethanol super in it also. Show lessRead more3 weeks ago Randy Smith 3 weeks ago • Also i have had the saw for 3 years now running that way no problems. I cut about 6 cords a year. Maybe more. Show lessRead more3 weeks ago Michael Remski 3 weeks ago (edited) • If you search for "hotsaws101 mix oil" you should be able to find a video of his preferences. If I recall correctly, he was mixing at 50:1, don't recall the specific oil. But here's a way of thinking about doing these modifications. If you do them correctly, you are basically pumping more air through them. Pumping more air, means you are going to be pumping more fuel to make the saw run correctly. Quality oil at the correct mix should not be a problem. But if it makes you feel better, add an extra capful per quart of fuel. That makes the 50:1 more like 40:1 or 42.5:1. In theory a lot of research goes into the mix oil, they are probably a lot higher quality than it used to be. As for the making the saw last, biggest thing is let it warm up. That lets everything inside get to the proper dimensions. Cold, start, immediately jam it full bore into a log, it's going to fail. Show lessRead more 3 weeks ago (edited) hotsaws101 hotsaws101 3 weeks ago (edited) • Gentlemen - in the mix oil video, I came from a place of running saws that are anything but stockly. The machine & application play a part as well. Manufacturers will honor the warranty if within a certain time period and by using a specified mix oil. If the warranty is a consideration then following the manufacturer's instructions is necessary. That doesn't mean it's the best mix oil option for the saw and application. The ms362s have a slight, factory designed air leak in their engine configuration. The m-tronic system (this country) meters the fuel in a lean condition (I've heard as high as 17:1) in an effort to reduce hydrocarbon emissions. Those equate to a saw that runs hot. My suggestion would be to use the best oil possible. I blend my own to get certain characteristics. Oil also holds in latent heat. Not a really a consideration in a water cooled machine. A little bit of one in an air cooled saw. I like around 50:1 in a saw I can adjust. It's a little hard to be exact with the meniscus in a ratio-rite so I lean toward being on rich side final concentration wise. I will have the high speed needle a little on the fat side as well. You probably want a little more residual oil in the new, sloppy tolerance saws of today to try and provide more of a cushion. I've heard of the 462s cracking skirts. Personally, I've cut around 450 thousand with my 462 @ 48/50:1. I think it depends on the whole process where chains, air filtration, mix oil, ambient conditions, fuel & octane, etc., etc. all play a role. Thanks for watching. Show lessRead more 3 weeks ago (edited)
@@hotsaws101 figured thts wht it was cause tht mtronic system goes of of crank speed i wander if HP TUNERS will ever support stihl saws lol I like carburetors unless there is actual injectors like modern cars where u can change the pulse width modulation of the injector
It seems with those (to me,) long bars there's a good bit less bending over. I notice when you are limbing and bucking you often cutting below your feet. With those saws, if you don't want to bend over, up cut. Around here if I ask a dealer for a long bar they say " Why you want that?" Then they won't order it unless you pay upfront. I dislike when a dealer treats me like a dummy, then take my money. Rant concluded.
Ladd thanks for the support. Let us see, I nuked over 500,000 BF on the latest tree killing spree. 20 full days, 1st day included a strip walk through with Mike that took a couple of hours and the another walk through with the forester that took about an hour and a half, 2 half days because of wind, and 2 days of pulling right above a couple of dwellings where it was ~ 1/2 volume cut. All FULL man. Two days of it was Sitka Spruce and the ridge top, coastal fir with limbs to the ground. Vacation for a knucklehead maybe, hahaha... No one named "Michael Cesario" has emailed me once that I have seen and I just checked. Sent to the wrong address possibly? Thanks for watching.
Greetings King Faller of the great North West....I hope you dont mind this question but I was wondering....Seeing that you are able to tweak the performance of various makes and models of 2 stroke chainsaws to what you call "insano-saw-x" Are such modifications possible on other equipment ie blowers, weed wackers etc???? I realize its probably a total waste of time to do such mods on those kind of things but had to ask... Take care and Stay safe!
Hotsaws, Thank you for your reply. So it is plausible. That could prove to be pretty interesting. A psycho blower on steroids. I will keep an eye out for any vids you might happen to post on that subject. As always, stay safe and Take care.
Paleo Man - I have not found a 2-cycle machine that could not be made to run better. What has to be considered is the "engineered in safety factor" on blowers, string trimmers, gravel compactors, etc. Chainsaws are a know quantity to be able to handle a 1 to 3 hp increase in a work saw application and live. The others are an unknown for me at this point. I'm king mistake maker also. Made more over the years falling timber than anyone else I know. I guess any realistic stump maker would have the same opinion. There is so much nuance involved in felling timber it's mind boggling.
That makes sense from an engineering perspective. The forces or load a saw experiences is substantially greater than that of a blower or gravel compactor so it would seem that an increase in horsepower as you mention is manageable within its design specifications. That would be an interesting winter project for sure. Every tree is unique with no two alike. I see each being a learning experience from the fallers perspective. Each lesson learned is more knowledge gained and applied toward the next job. The nuances involved are indeed mind boggling. People have no idea how mental a fallers job is and all the factors that must be considered. Your posts are top rate, no pomp, BS and demonstrate great skill. Keep em coming and as always, stay safe!
What kind of chain are you running a square filed, 1/2 skip, or full skip?
Thanks,
Nate
Nate hi. ~ 2:20 I was yammering on about the chain. If 1/2 skip is semi-skip then yes.
For falling & saw testing I only run chisel teeth sharped square.
Thanks for watching.
I could not move this video to the front of the series and had to delete it to start over. There were 21 comments posted in the first rendition of the video uploaded earlier. I copied all the original dialog sans the user's avatar. I do apologize for the inconvenience.
cody K 3 weeks ago •
Good job on the tach
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Baron Manor 2 weeks ago •
Nice content. Love your channel. Thanks man
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JeepWoodsFun 3 weeks ago •
been following for a long time, i really like your videos. completely off topic but what would you want in a saw for milling? what mods are more milling friendly? is upping the compression going to help me at all?
Show lessRead more3 weeks ago
David Kucharski 3 weeks ago •
I'm in the same boat..
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hotsaws101 hotsaws101 3 weeks ago •
JWF hi. Thanks for watching. Milling is like a dyno run for a saw. More power than normal. You want max (if time is of the essence) lowend grunt and then run it a little on the rich side. A lot of the time, I would fatten up the high a fuzz if there was a big rip ahead of me. Invariably, there would be some chain dulling fun nugget hiding out in process.
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john Reed 23 hours ago •
Between the 660 and 661 what one do you think would last the longest and would the 660 or 661 handle a longer bar better? Is there a way to get a 661 with adjustable carb in the states?
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hotsaws101 50 minutes ago •
John hi. The 066/660s are a known quantity. Pretty bulletproof if you keep the air filter clean. Bottomend problems of you don't. The 661s are known the crack cases. I never heard of that in a 660 unless it was from a rollover or some other catastrophe. I think that the factory boys are on their 4 rendering of fuel metering solenoid right now too. Maybe 2nd or 3rd controller/mapping software upgrade. So, still tweaking the process. The 661s use exhaust to stratify which means they run at a higher temperature than the 660s. Nod to the 660 platform regarding longevity. BUT, try and find a primo one right now to zipp...... I think that the 661s an made to run a little better than the ms660s (but not so much than the early 066s as you will see in the 5 part series of an early version 066 and a late version 661 I'm posting now). It would depend upon whether or not they will get zipped as well. The 661s are a little doggy in stockly (sickly) form. Thanks for watching.
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Woos31 •
Alright this is my kind of comparison Jack! Those 066-661 size saws have a soft spot for me in the pump house so I'm especially looking forward to these two builds in the one ton saws (066-661) if you will as to the 3/4 ton saws (046-461 maybe 462 as a "light" 3/4 ton) cinematography series. If that truly is an 066........ that thing is oober cherry for the condition it's sporting on the plastic! But they sell new plastic everyday as well so I guess you'll tell all when you pop the hood eh Jack lol? Thanks for the video and thanks go to Action J on swamper duty for your ol man on the test site and on the tachs
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hotsaws101 hotsaws101 3 weeks ago (edited) •
Woos - thanks for watching. The 462 is more of a 1/2 ton from my perspective. That's based on the 3/4 nod for the 461 from a performance angle. Overall, the 066 was in decent condition. I think it's all original. It's a 10mm crank model with the heavy metal flywheel. New piston and crank bearings will be part of the deal as well as. So it has a fair amount of time on it but was very well taken care of. With that, the 661 has a lot less use and you can hear it struggling. Also, this is around 3000' in elevation. That partially why the 661 and some of the other saws (390 for example) have a hard time running well.
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Woos 31 3 weeks ago •
@hotsaws101 I thoroughly enjoy all the content pard! As for the 462.. ......I sure would've thought it to be an equal to if not improvement on the 461 as being the same "size" saw. Although being untrained as I am thus is likely due to the engine design itself to meet emission compliance and move "forward" with technology. I for one am very much looking forward to the 066-661 builds if you're gearing them toward a series comparison like some you've recently done in a stock to NOT type scenario. Keep up the cool content and safe cuttin out there when you get to some of it Jack!
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hotsaws101 hotsaws101 2 weeks ago •
Physically they are close. Displacement wise it's 72.2cc vs 76.45cc. I've said for years that 3cc in a saw is a big deal. Stockly, they run about the same. That is the end of it though. The 461 is going to spank the 462 every time provided all things were done equally. I was going to do that yes. Thanks for watching.
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Woos 31 2 weeks ago •
@hotsaws101 interesting findings between those two. Can't wait for the one ton saw builds myself!
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Marcus M 1 week ago •
Thats something my old man has told me about the new Stihls is that they mostly seem to lack low end power. I havent spent enough time running them to personally know. Have you come across any of the new gen Stihls with good low end? Take it easy out there Jack.
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hotsaws101 hotsaws101 40 minutes ago •
Marcus hi. I have spent a fair amount of time in operation of some of the new Stihl saws. They are geared toward hp and high rpms not torque. They just don't have the bottom end power of their predecessors. There are reasons for this and it is purposeful in the design as far as I can tell. Thanks for watching.
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FishFind3000 3 weeks ago •
So in an m tronic engine like the ms362 c-m would it be advised to use extra oil as the mix is leaner? Would this help longevity? I’m using stihls grey bottle oil there premium or platinum one and at 50:1. What should I do that will give me power and longevity?
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Stepp of Faith 3 weeks ago •
Do what the people that designed the chainsaw and is giving you a warrenty wants you to do. Modded saws are different. Their mapping is not the same as a stock saw.
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FishFind3000 3 weeks ago •
@Stepp of Faith my warranty is up and I have a muffler mod. I want my saw to last but with these EPA rulings idk how long its gonna go since its leaner vs the older saws.
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Randy Smith 3 weeks ago •
I have the 362 cm . I put a extra hole in the exhaust next to the other hole. Put the same size. It runs great and i run a 28 inch bar no problem. I only run non ethanol super in it also.
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Randy Smith 3 weeks ago •
Also i have had the saw for 3 years now running that way no problems. I cut about 6 cords a year. Maybe more.
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Michael Remski 3 weeks ago (edited) •
If you search for "hotsaws101 mix oil" you should be able to find a video of his preferences. If I recall correctly, he was mixing at 50:1, don't recall the specific oil. But here's a way of thinking about doing these modifications. If you do them correctly, you are basically pumping more air through them. Pumping more air, means you are going to be pumping more fuel to make the saw run correctly. Quality oil at the correct mix should not be a problem. But if it makes you feel better, add an extra capful per quart of fuel. That makes the 50:1 more like 40:1 or 42.5:1. In theory a lot of research goes into the mix oil, they are probably a lot higher quality than it used to be. As for the making the saw last, biggest thing is let it warm up. That lets everything inside get to the proper dimensions. Cold, start, immediately jam it full bore into a log, it's going to fail.
Show lessRead more 3 weeks ago (edited)
hotsaws101 hotsaws101 3 weeks ago (edited) •
Gentlemen - in the mix oil video, I came from a place of running saws that are anything but stockly. The machine & application play a part as well. Manufacturers will honor the warranty if within a certain time period and by using a specified mix oil. If the warranty is a consideration then following the manufacturer's instructions is necessary. That doesn't mean it's the best mix oil option for the saw and application. The ms362s have a slight, factory designed air leak in their engine configuration. The m-tronic system (this country) meters the fuel in a lean condition (I've heard as high as 17:1) in an effort to reduce hydrocarbon emissions. Those equate to a saw that runs hot. My suggestion would be to use the best oil possible. I blend my own to get certain characteristics. Oil also holds in latent heat. Not a really a consideration in a water cooled machine. A little bit of one in an air cooled saw. I like around 50:1 in a saw I can adjust. It's a little hard to be exact with the meniscus in a ratio-rite so I lean toward being on rich side final concentration wise. I will have the high speed needle a little on the fat side as well. You probably want a little more residual oil in the new, sloppy tolerance saws of today to try and provide more of a cushion. I've heard of the 462s cracking skirts. Personally, I've cut around 450 thousand with my 462 @ 48/50:1. I think it depends on the whole process where chains, air filtration, mix oil, ambient conditions, fuel & octane, etc., etc. all play a role. Thanks for watching.
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Why do u have to use 2 different tachs is it because of mtronic
T W hi.
The old style tach will not accurately read the interrupted pulse in the new Auto-tune & M-tronic saws.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 figured thts wht it was cause tht mtronic system goes of of crank speed i wander if HP TUNERS will ever support stihl saws lol
I like carburetors unless there is actual injectors like modern cars where u can change the pulse width modulation of the injector
@@leviwolf5839 - interesting thought. My gut says no but we can only hope!
I'm guessing it's a different crank case for each?
Jaret hi. Yes, complete redesign on the 661 cases.
Thanks for watching.
It seems with those (to me,) long bars there's a good bit less bending over. I notice when you are limbing and bucking you often cutting below your feet. With those saws, if you don't want to bend over, up cut. Around here if I ask a dealer for a long bar they say " Why you want that?" Then they won't order it unless you pay upfront. I dislike when a dealer treats me like a dummy, then take my money. Rant concluded.
i guess Im kinda off topic but does anybody know of a good website to stream newly released series online?
@Grayson Beckett Lately I have been using flixzone. Just search on google for it =)
@Kelvin Leonidas yup, I've been watching on flixzone for years myself =)
@Kelvin Leonidas Thanks, I signed up and it seems to work :D I really appreciate it !!
@Grayson Beckett No problem =)
Tried emailing you a few times but no response
He's been on vacation.
Ladd thanks for the support.
Let us see, I nuked over 500,000 BF on the latest tree killing spree. 20 full days, 1st day included a strip walk through with Mike that took a couple of hours and the another walk through with the forester that took about an hour and a half, 2 half days because of wind, and 2 days of pulling right above a couple of dwellings where it was ~ 1/2 volume cut. All FULL man. Two days of it was Sitka Spruce and the ridge top, coastal fir with limbs to the ground. Vacation for a knucklehead maybe, hahaha...
No one named "Michael Cesario" has emailed me once that I have seen and I just checked.
Sent to the wrong address possibly?
Thanks for watching.
Greetings King Faller of the great North West....I hope you dont mind this question but I was wondering....Seeing that you are able to tweak the performance of various makes and models of 2 stroke chainsaws to what you call "insano-saw-x" Are such modifications possible on other equipment ie blowers, weed wackers etc????
I realize its probably a total waste of time to do such mods on those kind of things but had to ask...
Take care and Stay safe!
Paleo Man hi.
Yes. I have a client that wants a pole saw & blower "properly did". Probably a winter project. Thanks for watching.
Hotsaws, Thank you for your reply. So it is plausible. That could prove to be pretty interesting. A psycho blower on steroids.
I will keep an eye out for any vids you might happen to post on that subject. As always, stay safe and Take care.
Paleo Man - I have not found a 2-cycle machine that could not be made to run better. What has to be considered is the "engineered in safety factor" on blowers, string trimmers, gravel compactors, etc.
Chainsaws are a know quantity to be able to handle a 1 to 3 hp increase in a work saw application and live.
The others are an unknown for me at this point.
I'm king mistake maker also. Made more over the years falling timber than anyone else I know. I guess any realistic stump maker would have the same opinion.
There is so much nuance involved in felling timber it's mind boggling.
That makes sense from an engineering perspective. The forces or load a saw experiences is substantially greater than that of a blower or gravel compactor so it would seem that an increase in horsepower as you mention is manageable within its design specifications. That would be an interesting winter project for sure.
Every tree is unique with no two alike. I see each being a learning experience from the fallers perspective. Each lesson learned is more knowledge gained and applied toward the next job. The nuances involved are indeed mind boggling. People have no idea how mental a fallers job is and all the factors that must be considered. Your posts are
top rate, no pomp, BS and demonstrate great skill. Keep em coming and as always, stay safe!
Yes!!! a hot rodded leafblower would be sweet to see.
Δεν θα άλλαζα ένα still ms 066 με κανένα και τίποτα άλλο...!!