Penix and the Dolphins, Should Tua be traded? | NFL | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- Joel Klatt said that the Miami Dolphins should draft Michael Penix Jr. and move on from Tua Tagovailoa. Nick Wright, Chris Broussard, and Kevin Wildes discuss the QB conundrum, and where Tua should play in 2024.
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Your takes don't make any sense once so ever. The Miami Dolphins didn't take Lamar Jackson who McDaniel said doesn't fit the offense at all and Tua does because of his accuracy anticipation skills and how fast Tua processes not only the offense but the defenses that we face and that's coming from HC McDaniel himself and its been 2 seasons in a row he's said that!!! McDaniel has also said that Tua is if not one of is the smartest QB1s he's ever seen because of how fast he picks things up!!! The Miami Dolphins are going after a player you have NO clue on and I've been a Miami Dolphins fan since the 1970s.
I have an idea of who their drafting and it's NOT QB that's for sure!!! That I know for a FACT!!! Tua is our FRANCHISE QB1 Im sure of that!!!
There's only 3 QB1s that has thrown 6 touchdown passes (Bob Griese, Dan Marino, and Tua) Tua has won with 2 different HCs one DIDNT GIVE TUA COACHING NOR WEAPONS and TUA MADE THOSE WEAPONS BETTER BECAUSE WHEN THOSE WEAPONS WENT TO OTHER TEAMS THEIR NOT IN THE NFL ANYMORE EXCEPT PARKER AND GESICKI AND GESICKI'S BEST NUMBERS FOR A SEASON WAS WITH TUA!! TUA WON MORE GAMES THAN LOST HIS FIRST 2 SEASONS WITH THAT HC!!!
WITH McDaniel Tua's won more games than lost and went to his first Playoff game this past season and Tua's team had INJURIES on BOTH SIDES of the football however key INJURIES THAT WOULD HURT ANY NFL TEAM IS THE DOLPHINS HAD 6 OUT OF 9 PRO BOWLERS OUT FOR THE SEASON AND HAD PHILLIPS AND CHUBB OUT FOR THE SEASON BOTH COMBINED HAD 26 SACKS WHICH MATTERED WHEN THEY WENT AGAINST BILLS, RAVENS,CHEIFS ALL THOSE QBS SCRAMBLE!!! DOLPHINS INTERIOR OLINE WERE ALL INJURIED AND WERE PLAYING WITH THEIR 3RD STRING INTERIOR OLINE!!! NOT TO MENTION THAT THE DOLPHINS RUNNING GAME #1 IN THE NFL COULDNT RUN THE FOOTBALL AGAINST THE BILLS, RAVENS, CHEIFS BECAUSE THEIR 3RD STRING INTERIOR OLINE WAS GOING UP AGAINST THOSE TEAMS MENTIONED(Bills,Ravens,Cheifs) FIRST STRING DEFENSE!!! TUA's numbers were career numbers this past season with a 31st oline which by the way Tua has had in 3 different seasons his oline in 3 different seasons were 31st, 32nd, and 31st in the NFL and ONLY ONE HC KNEW HOW TO BAND AID IT AND THAT WAS McDaniel by using Tua's accuracy!!!
Fins Up
I don't think Wildes knows what he's looking for in QBs... The whole Mac thing really messed him up 😂
Actually he does know what he's talking about. I mean what he said was literally facts. How are you going to go after a quarterback when he's proven time and time again that he's actually rock solid and a top 10 quarterback. Let's just keep it 100%. Everybody wants to replace the quarterback if it's not Patrick Mahomes!! That narrative means to stop
@@flyguy7825 fried take. tua hasn't proven anything. they lost to every single good team last year except for 1 where they narrowly avoided losing. he can't beat literally anyone. the second the playoffs come around you know they're done. that's not "rock solid". this is the nfl, cutthroat business where you need to be an absolute winner. tua isn't even close. he's the 3rd, maybe 4th best player on his own offense.
@@flyguy7825tell that to Cowboys fans. They swear every QB they get sucks if he isn't a hall of famer and he should be traded and start over lol
@@flyguy7825I'm fine with Jordan Love being my quarterback. He's got more playoff wins in his 1 year starting than Tua has in his 4 years.
@flyguy7825 what's your take on a guy like kirk? because that's Tuas peak....
Wildes fighting for his life on the Tua topic and then calling the breakdancers. I love this show. 🤣🤣🤣
"Hid did it more often..HE DID IT LONGER!!!"
I love how Wyldes is wrong and right at the same time, and he knows that.
His role is the laughing fence sitting jester and I love it
Nick wright once said: I wanna go further galaxy brain
“Further”
He’s holding back tbh
“They loss to the superbowl champions…so did everyone!!” 😂😂 Facts!
Wildes is awesome
Leader of the show and my favorite 😂
Well he's not wrong. What he's saying is 100% facts, especially the whole Patrick Mahomes thing. Take away that defense take away. Travis Kelce, let's see how big of a false multiplier as I keep hearing Patrick Mahomes is
Yeah, but he failed to add they lost to the Bills twice, Eagles, Ravens, and Chiefs twice while averaging 16ppg.
@Ballaholic82 finally a smart take
@@flyguy7825”Take away all his weapons and give him a trash defense and let’s see how he does” 😂😂😂 Why are you acting like Tua has nothing, he has the best WRs and great RBs. What exactly is he missing to be able perform well against playoff teams?
Wildes held his own against BOTH Brou and Nick. Well done.
And was wrong, wildes doesn’t watch games just looks at numbers
What? No he didn’t. He wants QB wins, except when that doesn’t fit the narrative and he goes to stats like yards per attempt (which doesn’t even actually address the arm talent criticism btw). He criticized McDaniel’s coaching, but hedged when Nick asked if the patriots would take him as their QB since they’ve had QB issues since Brady left by saying Tua fits mcdaniel’s system. Nick can have some wild takes but he correctly called out Wildes’ inconsistencies in his QB eval
Lol Wildes is wildly wrong here Nick and Brou are absolutely right here. Tua is the AFC's version of Dak and Cousins a decent QB who cannot beat good playoff-caliber teams and instead beats up on tomato cans.
And himself at the end haha
@@Cookiesrfood Dak's looked better in big games if you ask me.
Wildes is a national treasure 😂
Somebody comments this exact line on every one of their videos.
@@ryanwhite9437 Facts, they all prob think they are the 1st ones 2 say it 😂
Klatt? He's as accurate as Kiper!!! 🤣
Lil more accurate 😂
The dude had Will Grier as a first round quarterback 😂😂😂
The only thing I agree with is that the Dolphins do need to upgrade a quarterback… So I Tagovailoa is good, but he’s not great… And great quarterbacks win playoff games in the AFC
@@romain8390Herbert ad yet to do that also keep that same energy
@@romain8390did you watch will at WV lmao he was nice 😂😂
Kiper is low key pretty accurate considering he has to have an opinion on every player in the draft and nfl gm’s who are supposed to be the best miss more than half the time
Why does the media keep trying to steer up stuff with Tua, my lord. They aren’t getting rid of him, just stop 🤦🏽♂️
Honest question. Why haven't they extended Tua like they did with Burrow and Herbert? Either they are going to give him a huge amount of money or.. they have doubts?
The media hate tua..bc hes not a white or black qb and he's christian
It's because they feel like Miami could go a step up from Tua
@@itzcoatlmedina1952 are you just gonna act like it wasn’t until training camp when burrow signed? You’re making it seem like the bengals rushed to him with a deal lmao
@@jctslice no qb available at the dolphins draft position is better than Tua
Tua is literally a QB who throws on time downfield?
All these dudes clowns. Non athletes😂
The only knock you could say that Tua has is arm strength, which is the only valid thing Klatt mentioned in his assessment....
@@princeoftech7473 Tua is a great timing guy but not a play maker. He's awesome so long as the plan plays out. But bump a receiver and get anywhere near him and he folds. He can get rid of the ball super quick. In fact he almost has to. when he holds on to the ball, he's inaccurate and makes terrible decisions.
@@memyself898 He folds so bad the other team scores 70 points. Yep, that was totally his fault. It had nothing to do with the defense. It had nothing to do with the coaching staff not being able to adapt. It was all Tua not rushing the passer and breaking up the plays..
@@Fektthis Tua throws the ball 10 yards from Hill and he goes and catches it. That's why his stats are good 😂
By the playoffs the Dolphins were down their entire starting offensive line and 5 or 6 of their front 7 on defense. Against a healthy Chiefs team at Arrowhead in 25 below weather. They had no realistic chance of winning that game
You can’t lay that at Tua’s feet. No, he’s not Patrick - nobody is. And he’s not great against consistent pass pressure. He’s a younger and slightly more athletic Jared Goff. If you want to win it all with him, nothing matters more than the offensive line.
Weather isnt an excuse
I'd rather trade him for 2 firsts and whatever else the vikings give me
@@mobrocket In the cosmic scheme of things, nothing is an excuse. No amount of attrition, no gap of talent - nothing should be allowed to excuse the loss. “The buck stops here”, etc. All well and good. I’m just saying weather was a factor, regardless of if it should have been. It’s part of the advantage of playing at home in the playoffs. The Miami Dolphins had no realistic chance to win that game. It was over before opening kickoff because they had crossed their dividing line of attrition. Every team has that line. KC crossed their line of attrition in the Super Bowl a few years ago. Lost a game they probably would have otherwise won. Is that an excuse or just the way it is? My team crossed it in the 2nd half of the Super Bowl this year. Losing Greenlaw, Brown, Feliciano, and Kittle for the overtime drive - too much to overcome. Is that an excuse or just reality?
Tua has his limitations at quarterback. Like I said, he’s a younger and slightly more athletic Jared Goff. You can win a lot of games with a quarterback like that. But you have no chance at a Super Bowl run without a great offensive line with a quarterback like that. And they don’t have one. Is that Tua’s fault that he cannot magically transform physically? I guess in the vein of no excuses allowed, it must be.
Except that Jared Goff is 4/5 inches taller. Big difference when you’re both non mobile pocket passers.
@@ddwooten1028
My point is, both teams are impacted by the weather equally
And the NFL playoffs are always in January, which is the coldest month of the year, so it's something you know and can plan for
Injuries you don't know when they will happen. You can try to plan for them some, but you are limited by the cap.
Talent gaps are going to happen, again there is a cap, but coaching can overcome a lot of that. Miami was going to lose that game mostly because of the talent gap and coaching. Injuries and weather are cop outs.
Tua isn't a great QB, he is surrounded by talent. His numbers are like Jamesis Winston's were on the Bucs, you will but up numbers even if you are average. I do think Miami should avoid paying him, if not their ceiling will be the 4th or 5th best AFC team for the next 5 years
Somewhere between baker and Josh Allen LOL
Lol mid season everyone was one tua's nuts NOW all of a sudden they think hes terrible. Wow
That's because Tua, while being a good QB, showed such egregious limitations that strong teams' defenses easily smothered Miami's offense. And for the media, if you're not in the Burrow/Allen category, you're toast.
@jeanfourcade yeah you right i agree.
@@Uso_Wakkathat terrible. Everyone lost to the chiefs
@@dorothyhunter4656 exactly my point
@Uso_Wakka it's more of the physical appearance. He not physically imposing like josh allen or as dynamic as lamar jackson. When he does a good job they move the goal post a little more. Now all of a sudden he's a bad qb man come on
Tua is a good qb. 👍
“Bring out the breakdancers” 😂😂
As if Penix doesn't have a long injury history. C'mon. That would be a bad move to trade Tua.
Umm Tua has a long injury history.. just saying
@@SupermannPChe’s 1 concussion away from being out the league
@@blakegoold6943 facts breh, need a new QB
I can’t understand how anybody watches and compares the rest of the AFC , then looks at Tua Tagovailoa and thinks “he is on that same level, he can win playoff games, the same way, Lamar, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, and Joe Burrow can!“
They need a serious upgrade, if they ever want to be serious about competing for a championship… Otherwise every season is going to end the way 2023 did
He’s been healthy the last 2 seasons. His medicals were good at the combine as well. Penix can throw better than Tua 100% and can ready defenses really well. Tua isn’t bad at all, I honestly just worry about the head injuries with him. Like those were some brutal concussions he had and I would be worried signing him to a long term deal.
Did Klatt imply that Tua is inaccurate and doesn't throw on time? His arm isn't even that weak. It's similar to Hurts. What is Klatt talking about?
No, more that Penix would fit more and be more dynamic in a McDaniel offence. Saying someone is a better fit doesn't mean you are trashing the existing personnel. Klatt had every right to put that forward. Especially as Tua is due to be paid, so it's a stick or twist scenario for Miami. Get a 1st round pick for Tua and get a top interior lineman and Penix and start the rebuild, and keep that cap down, or pay Tua, and hope you strike it lucky with low round picks and a slower rebuild. It's decision time for Miami
@@philwill0123Why rebuild your team is ready to win now if they beat the injury bug . Arrowhead comes to them which i believe they then could win it
Love this man!! Tua got y’all madddd😂😂😂 Tua Time!!!🐬 put some respect on the 2023 nfl league passing yards leader.
Thanks to Hill and Waddle taking slants to the house. The bum can't play in the playoffs.
We'll give him respect once he wins a playoff game.
Tua is one more sack away from early retirement!
Maybe if he didn't choke the AFC East division title.
@@Roxas-ph3teIf he wasn’t hurt, he would’ve definitely beat the Bills in the playoffs ‼️
How can you take Nick seriously he said Brock should be a backup this year.
I don't know many people that do take him seriously.
Man I haven't took this man seriously in like ever!!!
Well then have fun looking like clowns again when the chiefs 3 peat🤷♂️
Brock is a backup in 31 other teams
How could anyone take any of the clowns seriously? Yet you sheeps do it year in and year out like a bunch of muppets. 🤣
Wildes As A Fin Fan Much Respect For Fighting For Us Man🤣🐬
As a Phins fan. Blaming Tua for our collapse is really hilarious. That offense covered up for our defense big time last year. I'd sign him again. Not to some huge record breaking contract. But I'd give Tua a 3yr deal
You're not a "FINS fan" if you think Tua is anything about an average QB. 29TD's to 14 INT's, Weak Arm, Can't Scramble... TF?
Lol literally got beat by every team over .500 all year. Beats bad teams but not good teams. AFC cowboys
If tua agrees to 30 to 35 mil a year, I’d be more interested but he shouldn’t be making franchise qb money
@beyondthedetails Mahomes just won a SB throwing 5 less TDs and the same amount of INTs. Sit down goofy. The adults are talking. Ive been a fan of the Phins when you were still swimming in your moms nut sack.
@@beyondthedetails You're clearly not even a football fan if you can watch his film and say what you're saying. Both weak arm and cant scramble has been disproven, watch the film
Yes, the Dolphins lost games down the stretch last year, because they had 4 offensive lineman hurt, 5 defensive players hurt, with Waddle Tyreek, and running backs in and out all year.
And now they have no defense at all !
@@jeanfourcade their defense might be better this year.
@@jeanfourcadewilkins is not as good as you think van ginkel is replacable and howard is washed not much was lost ok defense
The facts don't matter bro
@@prolific1518 evidently.
Tua is a solid QB. The problem is that solid QBs get paid like Patrick Mahomes. I remember a QB like Matt Hasselbeck who was very solid to good for the Seahawks for a decade but he was never getting paid like Peyton Manning or Brett Favre.
💯 NFL needs to start putting a cap on how much an average QB should make
@@Matthew-xl5bcteams should just not pay them
@@kingjaydex7464 Agreed. Bad franchises fork out too much money to QBs. If someone wants to give them 50 million a year then they'll probably give you a first round pick for them, no? Trade them and get someone more cap effective.
Tua is worth what other good QBs are getting paid. There should be a cap salary what any player can get. It's got ridiculous on what they are getting paid.
@@kingjaydex7464the problem is for every team that refuses to sign their average-above average qb a garbage team is gonna look at that same qb and pay them hella $$$ i mean just look at kirk cousins and russel wilson (he was on a decline in play his last few years in seatle) for example.
I’m sure Tyreek and Jaylen can’t wait to have a rookie throwing duds to them for a year
They already know next season is a dud. No defense to speak of, resetting at QB is far better than committing 30 or 40 mil to their 2-reads-only panda bear.
@@jeanfourcade there's always one braindead guy in these comment sections. Today that's you. With the moves Miami has made, they quite literally have one of the best secondary's in the league right now, but sure, "no defense to speak of"
Penix throws better than tua tho
@@johnnycash8567 remind me which one plays in the nfl again? lot of people look great in college just to crumble in the nfl, just look at the 2021 draft class and how hyped up those qbs were
They could draft him, keep tua for his fifth/prove it year...🤷♂️
I don’t really buy the health argument when it comes to Tua because the only difference between this year and last year is that somebody didn’t pull a Vontaze Burfict on Tua.
So you don’t think Tua is a “force multiplier at QB,” but the Vikings should trade 2 first round picks for him? That doesn’t add up.
My dog Wildes held his own 😂. He was under duress and didn’t back down😂😂😂
It’s funny how they try to paint every team as if they all have a chance to win the superbowl every year and they don’t. Every team can’t have a top 5 quarterback the majority of teams are just business to the owners and they try to convince everyone they want to win they only want to win enough to keep prices up
Okay nick and brou show me dak’s number against playoff team. His number is just as bad against playoff teams
Nick thinks Dallas shouldn't pay dak either
Neither are high on Dak
He thinks the only QB that should be paid is Mahomes@@xcwilliams7980
Joel Klatt clearly never watched a single game last season and needs to keep his mouth shut.
Loved the banter gentlemen !!!!!
Tyreek Hill is the best player on the Dolphins offense. Tua ain’t no MVP calibre player
You'll find many a Superbowl winning qb isn't MVP caliber.
Meaning what exactly? Purdy is nowhere near the best player on his team and he was in mvp talks. Same could be said for Dak
The same Tyreek Hill that lost us all those big games everybody blames Tua for when anybody with a working brain cell that watches the Dolphins knew it was Tyreek and not Tua?
When did it become easy to be an NFL QB?
@@Blake-zh1zdPurdy and Dak shouldn’t have been in MVP talks. You have to be the best player on the team to be an MVP. CMC and Micah Parsons are both better than Purdy and Dak
The Miami dolphins elevate tua , while they need him to elevate them vs playoff teams
Spot on.
Wrong, Miami without Tua is trash.
@@user-ou1jk2he3dLolol take him out.. he will look like a backup
This sounds a lot like Dak. I’ve been saying it for a year and a half now that Dak and Tua are the same QB and need to be ranked right next to each other. Great team and weapons with great coaching: they’re great. Ask them to carry you against the best teams in the playoffs and you’re probably going home sooner than you hoped
Lol ok 😂😂😂
This was such a great clip. Cheers to the fellas all around
Bring out the breakdancers 😂
It makes ZERO sense to do this. Someone’s job will be on this line if this happens.
I think it's funny Nick said call Minnesota with Flores as their DC..Wildes is a Patriots fan, he definitely wants Miami to sign Tua. 😂
Why would he? Tua is 6-0 v. New England and that was when Belichick was the coach.
the whole division wants the dolphins to resign Tua and his fanboys swear they’re trolling 💀
@@VP20001Stop being a self hating clown. Considering that he has never lost to the Jets or Patriots in his career, your statement is factually incorrect.
Great show!
Bro if this group ever splits up, I’d genuinely be devastated
Man, it’s hard not to root for Tua
fax, ever since his rookie season in bama i’ve been watching with awe
Since when does Tom Green know anything about football?
Lmaooo they got wildes BREAK DANCING 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wildes is right on this , he did his job ! Yall want him to play defense too
I just do not understand this conversation. Tua was clearly at least good, wtf are they talking about with replacing him?
they’re bored and need spicy topics to bring in more ratings/views
They either need to replace him or pay him. No team has ever won anything meaningful by paying an average starting QB a ton of money.
Sorry, but you lost me at Klatt…
Wildes is a treasure lol...even when wrong I love how he stands his ground. Reminds me of myself, and I love myself 😂
Lol these dudes fighting cracks me up
Hold the fort Wilds! 😂
🤣 he sure was dug in wasn't he!? Hahaha
Wildes and I are on the same page with how you pay QBs
I love these guys 😂😂
lmao what a great segment.
They think Tua and Brock Purdy shouldn't be starters in the League. I don't know what more they can do to prove themselves. I believe Brock Purdy could've won the superbowl and they'd sit up and say the 49ers need to draft a QB
I actually don't think Tua and Purdy are in the same tier. I have Purdy in the 3rd tier of QBs right now. You have Mahomes in his own tier..then you have Burrow, Allen, Lamar and Rodgers in the next tier. Then you have Herbert, Hurts, Purdy, Love, TLaw and Stroud in the next..and then you have Dak, Goff, Kirk and Tua.
IMO....after Stroud..the rest of these guys are not franchise QBs.
Purdy is basically Tua but with mobility and coolness under pressure.....so even though people like to pile them in the same tier...I think Purdy is an upgrade...
No they just don't think they deserve $50 million, and I agree.
Purdy and Tua are not in the same category. Purdy immediately rose up to the very high level necessary to make this elite offense click, and did it for 2 consecutive years: passing and running. Tua can't do much once his 1st and 2nd reads are gone.
@@micahkiyimba8641 Almost agree, but: if you put Herbert in the third tier, you must include Mayfield and Goff as well. Or retrograde Herbert to the 4th tier, AND add Mayfield there, in any case. IMHO, of course. I love Herbert because he's a wonder to watch, but in terms of tangible results (which stats are not), he's found wanting - maybe haunted by that disastrous playoff loss to the Jags. Peace, Micah.
@@blackanimelover18 If Baker Mayfield 30mil/y grtd is any standard to go by, then Tua is worth 25 tops. Let Atlanta ridicule themselves with that Cousins's deal.
So if 31 QBs don't win the super bowl every year then you trade him!!! That's what the NFL has come apparently
“Bring out the dance breakers!!!”😂😂
Y'all are consistently the funniest NFL show!
Joe Klatt And Nick Ain't Making No Dam Sense
It makes sense. Tua has struggled to stay heathy in his career so far and when he stayed healthy all last year..he wasn't good enough at the backend of the season when games matter more. Not worth paying
Coaching Is Miami Biggest Problem
@@micahkiyimba8641 Joe burrow and Justin Herbert have been hurt more than tua these last two years.
@@user-ob6km2iu6qWrong. Tyreek and the coaching are the only good things about the Fins.
@@spitzrealist86 Joe has one if the worst lines in the NFL. Still he's went further than Tua
Today I learned Joel Klatt doesn't know $hit... already knew that about Nick Wright!
“BRING OUT THE BREAK DANCERS” I love wildes so much 😂😂
That's Gold! I swear 🤍🇮🇱❤️
Penix missed 2 out of the last 5 years due to injury in college-2 ACL tears and 2 shoulder tears.
So let me get this straight- you’re gonna trade a 1st round pick who’s injury prone for a 1st round pick who’s injury prone?
Gotta pay tua soon
@@martinezjames83There is only 1 Tua y'all sleeping on this guy
Elite mechanics and fundamentals
Top 3 right now with Burrow & Stroud.
Accuracy it's just him & Burrow... And Tua's probably more accurate.
He's also got the dog in him deep down that's gonna keep getting closer to the surface the more folks talk nonsense on him the way they do.
@@user-ou1jk2he3dI'm currently wearing a Tua sweater as a type this. But he needs to be a top 3 QB against playoff teams, it doesn't mean anything if you can't win a playoff game.
@@user-ou1jk2he3dwell the dog in him was sleeping in the playoffs
@@benjaminasmus3980 Dude has only played in one playoff game so far....
Their chemistry is exceptional
I love these guys!
I mean, they'd definitely get a 1st rd pick for him or a haul of picks
I think only a late 1st because of the money that would need to pay him
@@2385rolyhonestly probably even less, most teams have already addressed or plan to address their quarterback concerns this off-season so unless a team like the broncos or raiders are willing to give up a lot, it’s unlikely he gets traded for reasonable value.
Wildes is always making more sense than these two clowns
nothing he said made any sense nor was it at all correct 😂😂
He’s bias and a conservative 100%. Name calling, unnecessary bias, uninformed opinions etc etc etc…
it’s painfully obvious
I want whatever you're smoking lol. Tua is the definition of a "Stat Padder." He torches the garbage teams, inflates his stats, then gets trounced by every good team he has played in the NFL. Whoever wants to pay Tua 55+ mil a year, I've got a bridge to sell you
@@vont8364recorded stats aren't correct? Weird 😅
@@taylorsmith9197lol just stop. Yall prove you don't watch him actually play 😂
The fake yelling at eachother killed me
I loved this segment! These guys can have a reading disagreement and they still go home as friends.
Wildes is the goat lmao
no he’s not he got cooked this segment
@@cbee__your silly.
@@jacobsvetich8735 get his johnson out yo mouth
I honestly really like penix to Miami. Let’s be real, dolphins ceiling is too low with Tua to be real contenders. Miami would be a great place for a guy like penix to develop too
naw tua better
@@PrinceCNEno
you’re overhyping a college player who’s yet to even touch ground in the nfl. the level of skills present in both environments are vastly different
Such a great segment, love when Wildes gives his thoughts. The reaction to "Somewhere between baker and Josh Allen" has me cackling
This wouldn't be an issue if teams were able to pay average QB's average money but because a coach can win with an abover average QB they get paid superstar money.
If I were the dolphins, I'd take a risk on a rookie. Stronger arm, far cheaper. You could keep more weapons for longer under the cap.
I would do the same. Tua look like a Panda Bear, way too slow and too soft to square up to the grizzlies.
Not to mention, you need to save money, because waddle is due for a massive contract
@@youtubeconnollyfamilyyou idiots don't know what you are talking about.
@@youtubeconnollyfamily Precisely. And it's interesting to see that no one questions the extension coming Waddle's way, contrarily to Tua's...
@@jeanfourcade yep. I just don’t think Miami can afford to pay tua. Paying a rookie is much better idea if you want to keep waddle
I really like these guys. They really put on great show. 👍
As a dolphins fan I will have to say late in the season we struggled and Tua was a major part of the reason that happened. We can’t pay him until he shows these late season fall offs aren’t going to be an issue going forward.
the late season falloffs come from defense deciphering whatever gimmick they run in the first 8 games. Dolphins need a QB
Nick has this annoying habit of telling us the Chiefs are the absolute greatest sports team ever to exist…but then holding it against other teams for losing to them 😂
That's cause y'all consistently pick those teams bro 😂😂
Them screaming at each other lmao 😂
This is a dumb take....I'm sorry it makes no sense. I hate when they do these takes and then praise more popular QBs who is just as good or less than Tua. Dolphins problem was not all on tua, stop it.
You can see tuas stats against playoff teams and non playoff team guess who you see in the playoffs the playoff teams. He would need a team like hurts had with a super team and Tua messing up could be covered up. He really isn’t that good
Tua shrinks in precipitation, cold, and pressure. All three are present in the playoffs. He was absolute dogshit against KC.
@@runronnierun7213 so was the rest of the team plus injuries. The whole team was ready for that plus no offense or defensive adjustments was made.
Yeah but tua has a celling and he showed what it is. I understandit would make sense to try someone else
@@xtwinkiemaster17x true, that point makes sense i guess, but even if they get someone with more talent especially in the draft as a security blanket sure, but to trade him right now after a great season from him would be crazy.
First thing first so underrated bro
There has never been a better debate Show .... for longer lol
Tua, Kirk Cousins, and Dak are all in the same tier to me. Their regular seasons stats mean nothing.
None of them win playoff games, and all of them pump up their stats against the weakest opponents
None of them are worth $45-60M, but that's what a league average QB makes, these days
You will never win more than 1 playoff game with them, and you'll usually win 0 playoff games
Slightly above average QBs are the most overrated athletes in sports.
Like Peyton for 6 years....
I agree 100%. What do you make of much hyped Lawrence and Herbert ? Tnahks for your opinion, Inv.
@@jeanfourcade They are the next generation league average QB. Trevor sowed me more, in their playoff game against each other, coming back from 28-0 down.
I don't know why Harbaugh went to sa Diego over the Bears. Just a horrible decision, unless you really just wanted to work in SoCal.
@@InvestBetter. ok, thanks, Inv.
Tua is really good against bad teams and really bad against good teams
He can't handle anything throwing off his timing. He's easy to "break' defensively. And his losing record in temperatures below 72 is a huge issue.
Tua has been an issue ever since that draft, where Flores didn't get the QB he wanted, and shunted Tua. Flores is being proved right.
@@jeanfourcade being proved right? Last I checked Tua has brought this team to the playoffs twice since flores left, how many braindead comments are you gonna have on this video?
@ultravenia bro you do know he played in like 4 different offensive e schemes correct? He only played in this heavy timing based offense under Mike McDaniel. Thinking he can't handle the timing being off us just ridiculous 😂😂😂
@@ZGh0st1422 in 2022 Tua choked in his last 3 games. The backup won the playoff berth. This year Tua choked again, failing to secure the division, and in the WC game. But if that's good enough for you, so be it.
I forgot about the breakdancers that was a great bit
Wildes was fighting for his life LOL
Purdy has 4 play off wins.
Tua has zero play off wins.
Purdy plays for an NFL heavyweight. Tua plays for NFL clowns.
@@jeanfourcade Tua is the least talented skill position player on the team.
QB wins guy alert
Now do Lamar ? Kirk cousins? Burrow? Herbert?😂
@@OGBarry16 Burrow played in the Super bowl, and Herbert finally has a competent coach.
I was very impressed with what this kid Penix did at Washington. He is far more mobile and that will create havoc trying to cover all those weapons down field. Tia was horrible when plays broke down and couldn’t extend plays.
Penix is not very mobile at all and people complain about Tua’s health all the time but Penix has had quite a few major injuries the last couple years
You saying Penix is mobile is a dead giveaway that you have no idea what you're talking about
…and Penix has had no major injuries in the last couple years. He is not a runner for sure but in the right system he could shine.
Tia ? 🤣 it fits though..
Tua is not an super elite QB but he is a winner for the most part. Last year was no solely on him. Let’s face it, if the Miami D hadn’t blown the Titans game, they would have had a home game and who knows what another week in the playoffs would have done for some of the injuries they had. The Miami D had guys off the street at the end there.
That take was hilarious, nicks scream about being between baker and josh allen had me rolling, the last 2 mins of the take was great wildes the defender of QBs lol!
Yeah wildes is all over the place on his QB takes. He beat up Justin Hebert for not winning more, even though his stats were top 5 in previous seasons.
Tua has a better win loss record than Herbert
@@pablodiaz1172 overall, but herberts W/L against winning teams is better than Tua's, and what did Tua do before getting Tyreek?
As a Vikings fan, I have one thing to say to Nick’s proposal. NO! GOD! PLEASE! NO! NO!! NO!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Why Tua is MUCH MUCH MUCH better then what they have now and will get
Tua is better than anyone your team will put out onto the field next year. Plus, his contract isn't extended. I think you're blinded by the Tua hate, Miami ranked 31st in pass blocking last year. I think he'd surprise you, especially if all you do is watch clips of his bad throws. You can make any QB look bad by clip chimping them, I could do the opposite with all the impressive throws he has made.
There’s no way the Dolphins trade away Tua to anyone in ‘24. Maybe if Tua gets injured mid-year, and say the Dolphins do get Penix in the Draft, and Penix steps in and absolutely “balls out”, ultimately leading the Dolphins to their first playoff win in 24 years, then “yes”, I could see a Tua trade at the end of ‘24, because I think the Dolphins’ Front Office will think ‘23 was a fluke for Tua and him staying healthy for the whole season. If Tua winds up missing a chunk of games mid season in ‘25, I think the Dolphins’ “brass” do cut ties with him, particularly if Michael Penix were to “light it up” in Tua’s absence.
Wright is sporting the Sanchez hairstyle today 😂
Brock living rent free in Nick's head everyday is hilarious to me
Nick ran circles around Wildes here lmao
Not even close 😂😂
The truth is somewhere in the middle
Wildes, “Tua is really good cause he led the league in passing yards once”
Also Wildes, “Justin Herbert isn’t that good, look at QB wins”
*Herbert had the most passing yards ever through 3 years, the second most TD’s ever, the most 300 yard games ever, is top 10 all time in completion percentage and yards per game, is second in game winning drives since being drafted, first in comeback victories*
Tua has had two consecutive seasons that were better than Herbert's.
@alf1380 lol umm no.. he only had one good season... 😆 not one team would choose Tua over Herbert
@@alf1380 first of all, no. Second of all, their career numbers aren’t relatively close.
@@alf1380 the dolphins would happily trade Tua and three first rounders for Justin Herbert.
@@stevenellis99you have a brain injury
I love that they had the exact same argument they’ve been having about Purdy all year with Tua 😂😂
This is awesome
Most QBs would have 2k yards in Florida in September and October
I’m getting kinda sick of the “Tua can’t play in the cold” like the rest of the team is balling. The live and work in Miami, acting like ever since Tua got there, we’re bad in the cold is ridiculous
Dolphins are contagious at giving QBs competition. They love to sell there “Guy”
Penix and accuracy should not be in the same sentence. Inaccuracy definitely should.