MoCA 2.5 adapter setup (goCoax WF-803M) and test in home environment
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- This is an amateur home installation of a goCoax WF-803M MOCA 2.5 adapter network using the existing coaxial lines on the home as a gigabit (or faster) LAN. #homenetwork #moca #gocoax
Many homes built in the modern era have coaxial cables and drops in several rooms and floors but lack ethernet cables and drops.
I show how I isolated the coaxial lines I needed and installed the new GoCoax MOCA devices along with some network bandwidth testing using iperf at the end of the video.
The intent is to avoid slow wireless as much as possible. We also bypass running ethernet cables in the walls and on the floors just to get the full speed of our broadband connections.
Please note that I am not in any way affiliated or sponsored by these firms. I bought the hardware myself after research and like the way it all works.
Amazon for the Holland Electronics 4-Way MOCA Splitter 5-1675Mhz:
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...
Gocoax website for the MOCA 2.5 WF-803M devices:
www.gocoax.com/
Chapters:
0:00 The Coaxial cable "octopus" we all have
3:10 Unboxing the goCoax WF-803M MOCA 2.5 adapters
7:34 Installing the MoCA device into the network
10:42 Benchmarking the MoCA connection across the home 
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Thanks for sharing. You showed me what I wanted to do...use the first Moca 2.5 unit as intended (like a splitter) and install it between the coax cable-in and the coax cable modem input. No need for a splitter!
Awesome! I had hoped to simplify things for everyone. Thank you for taking the time to comment. 😁
This is a fantastic technology, much better than power line adapters. I had MoCa 2.0 and just got the 2.5’s and am excited to upgrade
I agree completely! This really changed the way I am able to work at home and use any room as my main office just as if it were really wired with ethernet cable.
My other video goes through the "most simple" MoCA setup and you will see just how simple these devices really are. They just work!
ruclips.net/video/X5yQZfHdsOA/видео.html
Thanks for the great video. I was in the exact same situation with only coax in my house, and not sure how to get wired internet from downstairs to upstairs. After watching your video, I ordered 2 gocoax and the splitter, and once delivered it took me very little time to get it all set up. Thanks!
Awesome! I am very glad that my video was helpful. I love the whole MoCA thing myself. I finally get the full speed all over the house! Be well, pal!
For the coax that would normally go out to the modem, can I put a coax splitter from the wall with one coax into the modem and one coax into the adapter? The modem will plug into a router via ethernet (yellow port) and the parallel adapter will plug into the same router via ethernet (other available port). I'd rather do this to prevent the adapter from being a single point of failure to my modem and want to see if it is possible to configure my setup this way?
You need a MOCA Filter before the splitter on the Spectrum drop from outside also the terminator caps on the original splitter should be put on you new splitter to minimize interference.
I will point out that I DO show a MoCA capable splitter in the coaxial cables inside my utility room at the outside drop. The incoming Spectrum line was split by a MoCA bandwidth splitter and then the two inside lines are attached as "out" lines to the same 3 way splitter. As this is only a 3 way splitter, I did not see the need to cap the terminators, but might have if it was a larger splitter. Great observation there for our friends who might be getting intermittent interference.
I wholeheartedly agree that a MoCA capable splitter is really something you need from the get-go.
Here in Toronto ll new installs are fiber to the premises and IPTV on Comcasts X1 platform as well as internet. So no more Coax cable.
Over here, Spectrum is only just now upping their speeds to compete with the new fiber. Thery could have done that years ago but never did. I can't abide that!
Great video, thank you so much for this. But i do have a question, after the coax cable from the spectrum modem do i really need to run an ethernet cord from the spectrum modem to a wireless modem then to a switch? or can i just run an ethernet cord from spectrum modem directly to the moca?
If you run the ethernet line from the modem right to the MoCA device, all it will do is run ONE computer and that one at the other end of the MoCA. The way I have it set up, the modem plugs into a router which then feeds the upstairs computers and the WiFi and then the router sends a line to the MoCA device that feeds the downstairs computers.
@@UncleMikeRetro oh ok, got it!. Thank you!.
Yessir!
Hey Mike- old video but exactly what I was looking for. No mention of a filter in your installation- why is that?
old video! Like myself 😁
Well, I did not mention a filter as I am in a standalone home. I SHOULD have mentioned one, especially for apartment or condo dwellers. The MoCA should not travel to neighboring homes in most cases.
@@UncleMikeRetro thanks! I’m planning on adding the filter on the main line first and connect that to the splitter. Is that correct?
@@Knuck773 If you need to isolate your MoCA signals from the outside, you should place the filter on the main coaxial line coming into your home and then from there you can run the coaxial out of the filter as you please. It just has to have the one coaxial in going through it.
so does this effectively enable the other coax ports in your house to deliver internet where you'd normally need to connect a cable modem? was the initial holland splitter necessary for this project?
Yes (with a device at each of those drops too), you then have "live" drops at every location in the home you have a coaxial network. I have an entire downstairs studio office on a MoCA drop and it's just as if I had run an Ethernet line down there. The initial splitter ensured for me that the splits were frequency-friendly with the MoCA protocols. You MAY be OK with your existing splitter. You can always test and if it fails, that may be the limiting factor.
I did another video where I tested a couple of cheap/older splitters and had mixed results ruclips.net/video/X5yQZfHdsOA/видео.html
I currently have no MoCa setup. All my Coax terminates into the laundry room. Is there a splitter I can use to have one MoCa in the laundry and one per room I intend to add Ethernet too, or would I need two per room (1 in room, 1 in laundry per room)? Thanks.
You mean you have a bunch of coaxial lines all going into one splitter in the laundry room? Or that it starts from the outside in the laundry room? If you remember the beginning of my video, it makes no difference where the 1st MoCA device is located. All it needs is to have the internet signal nearby and accessible via Ethernet line (like a LAN port in a router being fed your modem signal) and then for it to be able to connect via coaxial into your whole home coaxial network. Then you need another MoCA device in each additional room to receive the MoCA signal from the 1st device. 2 additional rooms = 3 devices (not counting the 1st room which should have your router or switch already).
*Mike* Is your cable modem Docsis 3 or 3.1? The reason that I'm asking is that someone once told me that MoCA doesn't play too well with Docsis 3.1 but I'm not sure if that's true or not.
Well, the truth is I have since switched to TDS fiber and given the modem back, but it was a 3.0 and gave me no issues. I cannot speak for the DOCSIS 3.1 signal issues, but I have seen some Reddits where you can isolate the DOCSIS 3.1 feed from the MoCA connections if they give you issues.
Hi. Thanks for the vid. I'm wondering about your second setup with only the coax into the moca and the ethernet cable to the router. I don't have tv. If I understand you correctly, I should be able to (with proper prep) unplug my verizon router (coax only) and the simply plug in the incoming coax to this moca adapter, and the ethernet cable to the other side of the same adapter, and then to my own router. Is that correct? Why would I need 2 moca adapters if everything else will be connected to my own router and wireless hub? Thanks again!
Well, the whole point of MoCA is to use your existing (in wall) coaxial lines as Ethernet connections. The first MoCA device "charges" the system and sends a signal all along your coaxial lines, and each other MoCA device RECEIVES that signal (in another room or floor) and then any computer/gaming device/TV in that second location has an ethernet connection.
I hope that makes sense. No MoCA connection will ever work without TWO devices, one sending and one receiving.
Try this video for some more details ruclips.net/video/X5yQZfHdsOA/видео.html
@@UncleMikeRetro Thank you. That was quick :) I understand the requirement of two or more MoCa adapters in order to use the available coax as ethernet connections. What I'm really trying to confirm (apologies in advance for being dense) is whether or not, a single MoCa adapter will allow me to replace my verizon router (with coax connection only) with my own ethernet connected router. I won't have any other other coax devices or connections at all, and I will not use an STB or TV. I.e. Incoming Coax from ONT->MoCa->My own Router via ethernet cable from MoCa adapter. In this video you seem to be doing this (albeit, using a splitter in the ceiling). Again sorry if I misunderstood, and thanks again.
Hi Uncle Mike I just have a quick question, I have a coax cable in my room and I want to connect it to this adapter and use Ethernet to give my computer better internet. Is this fine or am I going to need something else or am I missing something. Thank you
Good morning! Well, you will need 2 MoCA devices no matter what. One in the room with the internet connection and an active LAN port (like your router) and another device in the room where you want to extend the signal to. Assuming everything else works, you will need at a minimum the 2 MoCA devices and two Ethernet cables.
UNLESS your existing router is MoCA capable like some of the Xfinity setups. In that case you just need one additional MoCA device.
I do a little more showing the setup between one device near the router and the 2nd device in another area in this video: ruclips.net/video/X5yQZfHdsOA/видео.html
If you like to describe the way you are setup at your location, I may be able to weigh in a little more for you.
Here in Toronto two years later the Major cable provider is now installing a fiber optic cable to the Demarc and then to a homehub. The home hub provides wi-fi 6 or now 6E wirelessly for both internet and tv. each TV now gets a wireless connection using a cigarette pack sized box that connects wirelessly on a private VPN at upto 1 Tb/s. In my case I have a 50 Mn/s and it is super reliab;le and handles 4K as well as simultaneous 4K video streaming on several laptops at once as well as running a skype video call. So, I no longer have any coax cable TV wire in my home. but slightly older installations have a coax cable to the home hub and that is it. Everything else is Wi-fi. Rogers uses Comcast's X1 IPTV platform and brands it as Ignite. Talk to your service provider and see if fiber is an option or an upgrade to IPTV is possible.
Very modern! I have 600/400 locked in at a super low rate with no contracts, stream RUclips TV and use all Roku devices. I'll probably stick with my current setup. My router is Wi-Fi 6 so I already get all that speed but at the full 600 MBS
Do you have any experience with xfinity xb7 gateways and using a moca set up? Im worried I would screw up my internet trying to split my coax line.
I do not.
However, if you take the experimental approach, you diagram every change you make so you can put it all back the exact way it was when something stops working. Step by step and you should be OK for trying things out.
@@UncleMikeRetro thanks, I am just Leary to spend the money to get an adapter and then run into issues with messing with my coax line. I have my main line coming in with a POE filter outside in a service box. The line runs into my basement mechanical room and has 7 coax lines. When the Xfinity tech came to set up my service he removed the splitter I had and added a 10 db attenuator to the line that runs upstairs to my gateway. I was worried that adding a splitter would screw up the line that the gateway is on. I don't want to spend the money and end up having to pay Xfinity to come out and fix my line. I am looking at switching to fiber sometime early next year when the service finally is available to my house. I don't think it will be an issue to run a Moca network with fiber, so I guess I could just try and see what happens, then I will have the adapter already for fiber service.
@Uncle Mike's Retro & Gaming - I have a question. First of all, I am confused. I
enjoy your channel and have watch several of your videos. Thank you. My
situation. I have Spectrum 400mbit service coming into my office. The
coaxial goes directly into my docsis 3.0 cable modem. From there, an
eithernet cable goes into my wireless router. And from the wireless
router, another Ethernet cable goes to my PC. Would a Moco 2.5 adapter
help me with speed at all? I am looking for better ping times. I am not
so much interested in the wifi speed ( I have an Netgear AX6 5400
Wireless Router ) I am confused if this Moca 2.5 adapter will help my
speed / ping times at all. Thank you in advance if you are able to help
me.
Good morning, pal! First of all, THANK YOU for the watches and kind words! This is a labor of love for me and I love my audience! It's a community rather than a list of names to me 😎
Now, your question: MoCA will do nothing for your speed (incoming speed) or your ping times. It is ONLY a cost-effective way to distribute your internet around the home/business on existing coaxial lines already "behind the walls" rather than lay Ethernet cables and all the fuss involved with that. As you are already using ethernet, there is NO advantage and it is actually not what you need.
IF you were looking to move a signal to another room in the home and had coaxial drops in each room, then this would let you have full 1gig speeds over the coaxial, but you'd need 2 MoCA devices, and the ping would remain the same and the basic internet speed you have would still be the 400MBS that Spectrum gives you.
Does that all make sense?
@@UncleMikeRetro Ok now I understand. I've ready that a new Docsis 3.1 router would / could actually help my ping times so that's my next purchase.
Sweet! Sorry it's not for you, but better than spending money needlessly. Look forward to seeing more from you in the comments! 😁
Is the purpose of the MoCA splitter that it not only serves as a splitter capable of carrying the MoCA frequencies, but is also a POE filter?
Ah, actually, I see that you're not using a POE filter in your set (from another comment).
Not that I would believe, no.
No, I have no fear of leakage where I am. Also, again, no, the splitter is just that.
Good questions, though.
I really felt the MoCA stuff was a complete no-brainer. I really just hooked it all up and it works. The splitter was not tough either.
With the MOCA adapter, do I need it to be connecting to a router or modem of some sort? I have my router and modem upstairs connected upstairs on the Coax network in my home, and then downstairs in my basement there is a coax plugin available. Do I need to setup anything downstairs or can I simply use the adapter, connect it to my COAX, and then use the Ethernet port to wire to my computer for INTERNET? Please help!
Hello! Do you have two MoCA devices? You need one to get the signal from your router into the coaxial network and then one more for each other computer that will be connected to the coaxial lines on the other rooms/locations.
So, 2 MoCA devices minimum for one connection.
@@UncleMikeRetro I bought 2. Haven’t set it up yet. Do I need a splitter coax to connect it to my router and MOCA from the wall?
What kind of internet do you have and what hardware? It sounds like Spectrum or some other cable provider?
@@UncleMikeRetro NETGEAR - Nighthawk R6900 AC1900 Smart WiFi Router and Charter Spectrum.
OK, so tell me what is hooked up to what. The incoming coaxial (incoming to the home in whatever room you use for the modem) should be going into the "MoCA" port of the MoCA device and then the "TV" port of that device goes to the Spectrum Modem (if you use their TV in that room, then the modem coaxial out goes to your TV or TV decoder box). From the Modem you will run an Ethernet line to the WAN on your Router and then from the Router you run an Ethernet line to the LAN port of your MoCA device (in the same room). Then, in the OTHER room, the incoming coaxial goes into the "MoCA" port of that 2nd device and then an Ethernet line from that device's LAN port into your computer/device/switch, etc., to give it the internet signal.
I sincerely hope that helps.
No matter what you do, you aren't going to blow anything up so to speak. It will work or not.
Could I just use one unit to connect to a wifi extender or another router.
No, the units take the LAN signal and convert it for transmission along the coaxial lines and then change it back at the other end. You have to have one device at each end of the run. For instance, I have one at my main router, feeding a signal to the lower level where another device feeds that to a 5 port GIG switch for sharing down there. One device alone will not work.
quick question, the Ethernet port does both input and output? my broadband signal enters my home through fiber optic cable through an ont that outputs only using Ethernet cable, which if i understand the 1st connection correctly, Ethernet in, follow "tv" out to split though out the home?
Your connection should then be fiber optic in to your ont then ethernet from ont to router (WAN port) then one ethernet cable from the router (any LAN port) to your 1st MoCA device then coaxial out the MoCA port (not TV) of the 1st device to the coaxial line in your wall to the rest of the home. The ethernet connection in the MoCA devices is 2 ways, but it will not assign IP addresses or anything that you need a router for. The MoCA devices only really move the signal to the coaxial lines and do not do any real processing of it.
If that does not make sense, let me know.
If you do not use a router, then I am not sure what will happen. The MoCA device may just shoot your one signal to wherever you want it, but most folk have a router.
I posted another video of just making the simplest MoCA type connection with some troubleshooting ruclips.net/video/X5yQZfHdsOA/видео.html
@@UncleMikeRetro ahhh yes the router... i missed that one.... your vid totally showed me some light how it actually works... was wondering for days how it actually works... nice and very clear explanations.... thanks a million for taking time to explain.... 👍
@@limchoonkeong3798 any time pal!
Sorry for the multiple comments, but didn't want to confuse subjects.
The way you set your network up, it appears you didn't follow the diagram on the quick start guide, but rather set it up according to the diagram on the Amazon listing, correct?
I set up my network the way I needed it to be. Better maybe, more normal, as no one is "guide perfect" at home, probably.
I hope that makes sense. No snark, this is just my network topography here.
@@UncleMikeRetro
I ask, because goCoax has diagrams that aren't well detailed or explicit. It gets kind of confusing, especially when labeling the MoCA out as "TV", when it appears to be multi-use, depending on application.
There's no explanation of the general concept either. Seems you can set up MoCA injection before the splitter, after the splitter, after the modem, after the router, just depending on where you want the equipment located.
I've had these adapters for quite some time and took the day off today to set them up. I just took my best guess in terms of the concept of how they work and as you said, they just kinda work.
@@thatguythatdoesstuff7448 Ha! That is honesty! Yeah, they just work! The only thing the splitter does is literally split your coaxial lines (if you even need to). The rest is so simple, I wonder why sometimes folk seem confused about the MoCA process. All they literally do is send a signal over the coaxial lines that another MoCA device picks up on the other end. Maybe a splitter or two on the way, maybe not. Maybe a filter (probably not).
The technology behind them? Magic 😁hell I don't know
I want to make a second router work downstairs in my house since the connection is upstairs on my second floor, the connection seems to be Coaxial since it's a TV cable. So I would like to know what do I need to do to make a secondary connection router.
Hello! Do you mean you want to use a MoCA device over the coaxial line to bridge the connection or you want to use the 2nd router as an AP?
Huge difference.
Uncle Mike I apologize for a late response due to RUclips not sending me a notification of your reply, I would like to use the second router xinfinty sent me as a AP
I am having issues getting a 3rd and fourth box connected to the network. I have one MOCA attached to the router, and three in other rooms.
What is your exact configuration if they all worked as you want?
@@UncleMikeRetro I would like to have 3 MOCA boxes communicating with the 4th MOCA box attached to a router, attached to my fiber modem and have all computers online. I found that each Moca box works in each room ONLY if the other moca boxes are unplugged.
@@affinismotorsports In that case, it may be that the splitter that joins all of these MoCA devices is not MoCA capable? Have you checked it?
Do they make one for dsl telephone line
I don't happen to have DSL, but it works with ANYTHING. All you do need is the coaxials going to the rooms in question, even if you aren't using them for anything at the moment. The DSL modem or router would then just shoot an ethernet connection to the MoCA device in the same room and then that device shares the internet across the coaxial lines to the rest of the home. The type of internet matters not.
Why when I connect my mocha to the coaxial cable, does the mocha light not turn on ???
I'm going crazy
The MoCA light will only come on when your device "sees" another Moca device on the same coaxial cable network. Got to have at least 2.
@@UncleMikeRetro Thank you. I answered you in the other video
My Wi-Fi is terrible so I decided to install multiple MoCA 2.5 adapters. I was thinking to buy 4 MoCA adapters. I want to use a 3 output splitter with the frequency range 5 - 2400 MHz. The first adapter will be connected to my cable modem and at the IN port on splitter , the three MoCA adapters wil be connected at the OUT port on the splitter. The other adapters wil be installed in other rooms as receivers for laptop, smart TV and a Wi-Fi router.
Will my setup work? One transmitters to three receivers, or should I use the simple method, two transmitters connected to my cable modem to two receivers, direct connection and no splitter.
No, this won't work as you describe it. If you connect a MoCA device to the WAN out on your cable modem instead of a LAN port on your router, you will not get IP addresses assigned. Your Wi-Fi router should be connected to the WAN out of your modem, then the 1st MoCA device gets a LAN out of the router and sends the MoCA signal back to the other three MoCA devices in the other rooms (all connected to their own coaxial lines coming out of the 3-way splitter of course). That way, the router can assign IP addresses to all of the devices CONNECTED TO the 3 other MoCA devices.
I hope that makes sense.
@@UncleMikeRetroThank you for reply. My cable modem has built in Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac and 4 LANs. No problem for my wireless devices but it only covers half of my house. My Moca adapter (adapter 1) will be connected to the LAN port of the modem and I will connect to the rest of the 3 adapters using the splitter.
I also has a NETIS Wi-Fi router the same standards like the cable modem. Both my modem and router have a gigabit connection. But the router will be placed in my kitchen connected to my Moca receiver 2 to have strong signal (both 2.4 and 5 GHz) in my other half of the house. The Moca receivers 3 and 4 will only use ethernet connection.
My internet speed download and upload are 500 Mbps.
@@Nicholas_Chris Then your setup should send a legitimate IP addressed signal to each of the 3 rooms as you describe. Let us know how that works.
@@UncleMikeRetro OK. I've order today 4 MoCA cable adapters and a 3 output cable-satellite TV splitter has DC PASS and frequency range 5 -2450 MHz. I have installed RG6 trieshield coaxial cables with permanent F Type connecters. I only have to install the splitter and connect the MoCA adapters.
Thanks for replay and have a great weekend.
Let me know how it works for you!
At 9:05 where is that 2nd coax cable connection going to? The one going out of the "TV" connection on the moca adapter.
Nevermind. I just rewatched it lol
@@Justcuz99 Sorry it took me a few minutes! Yeah, it goes into my Spectrum (used to at least as I now have fiber) cable modem. It COULD have gone into a TV decoder box or a TV itself if I had wanted it to. If you don't have cable internet, then this coax is not used at all. I hope that makes sense.
@@UncleMikeRetro I do have coax cable internet from Cox. I got kind of a big house. I have my main Arris surfboard cable modem and Asus wifi router downstairs on one side of the house. I already have another Asus router upstairs setup in mesh mode. I need to have that node connected physically because the wifi from it is delayed due to the distance. I just went to gocoax's official site and ordered some equipment. Amazon's delivery was in May... 3-5 days from gocoax. I really hope I can get this to work...
@@Justcuz99 If you can trace a line from the main router through the coaxial in your home to the node you need physically connected, you should be all good. I have a decent sized home myself and while the rest of my stuff is connected through Wi-Fi, the downstairs RUclips studio/office is on a MoCA connection running full clip and low lag.
Glad I bought the install kit or whatever it's called. Came with a 1 in 6 out splitter. I had to install that at the demarc point where my cable comes in. Darn cable company only had 1 line connected. Thanks for this video man! Helped a lot! Subscribed 👍
Ok. I have a xfi gateway. I enabled the MOCA in it. Now can I just add the MoCA filter to the cable entering the house then cable that to my Xfi Gateway. Then after that how can I connect this gateway to a MoCA splitter so I can get connection to more than one room in the house?? Out of the 10 cables I have only one that is connected to a room in the house where I don’t want it to be. I’m just stuck on what adapter I can use that goes from my MoCA enable router to the splitter
3 days ago
Hey Chuck! Can you tell me which exact Gateway you have after looking at this link? www.xfinity.com/support/articles/broadband-gateways-userguides That would help make any answer more precise. However, ASSUMING you have enabled the MoCA capabilities of your gateway (and I think they are MoCA 2.0 speed) you should be able to just connect an additional MoCA device at the other end of the coaxial cable (like in another room outlet) and have a live connection. MoCA really only needs two devices (and the speeds are cross compatible and the models are too) one at the source and one at the receiving end. So, the signal coming into your gateway is then (should be) live all over your home and just waiting for an additional MoCA device to tap into it. Anywhere you currently have a splitter (coaxial) I would replace it with a MoCA capable splitter and terminate the open connections with caps. It is the need for an additional MoCA device, not just a splitter, that you will have to address. Think of your gateway as device #1. I put in a word-diagram in my comments earlier for another comment that may help somewhat. LAN port=>ethernet cable=>MoCA device=>coaxial cable=>2nd MoCA device=>ethernet cable=>any final LAN port you like
Does that help?
I have the 3rd generation one which has the 2.0
Xfi gateway 3rd generation
Ok. I’m still not getting this and maybe I’m stuck on stupid. I got everything you are saying but if I have the cable coming from outside into house into the POE filter, then into my gateway .... Now from the gateway to my splitters which connects to all rooms in the house.. This is where I get stuck. Once the coaxial connection from the filter to my xfi gateway is established, there is no continuing coaxial connection from xfi gateway to splitters which has cable going to each room in house which then I can use the MoCA adapter. I just have an Outbound Ethernet Port and not an outbound Coaxial which I need to connect to the input splitter which Octopuses out to the Rooms in house. Does this make sense??
Never fear! We'll do this by stages until we build it out. This does make sense to me. Think of your gateway as its own MoCA device. As it is already connected to your home's coaxials (with the one that comes from the wall into it) it should ALREADY be sending a MoCA signal to your home's other coaxial outputs. Now, let's test this by taking your new MoCA device to another room, connect it to the coaxial jack in that new room, and then take an ethernet cable and connect it to the new room's MoCA device. Then take any computer you like (laptop or even your desk top if you have no other) and connect that ethernet cable to it to test the theory that this will make one MoCA connection. If that works, then we are good to move on. If not, we'll regroup. Cool? We do no harm by testing this as you will not be disconnecting your gateway and messing with your current setup.
I am here for ya, pal 😊
Is the ethernet on the second moca device connected to the WAN port of your second router? If not, would that be possible if I change the IP on the second router?
Great question! No, the 2nd MoCA device is connected to a switch in my downstairs studio. Think of these devices as acting like an ethernet cable. Essentially they physically connect two switches (or a router LAN port and another LAN port on a 2nd switch or port directly on another computer or gaming console, etc.) just as if they were an ethernet cable. So LAN port=>ethernet cable=>MoCA device=>coaxial cable=>2nd MoCA device=>ethernet cable=>any final LAN port you like. It is just a way to get a direct ethernet connection (dumb but with built in monitoring interface) over a distance that is not or cannot be bridged by a physical ethernet cable.
Your question leads directly into my next video later this week: Using the MoCA connection to bridge two routers instead of an ethernet cable for an AP bridge connection. In THIS configuration, we will use the WAN port of the 2nd (AP) router to extend our WiFi signal and even use the 2nd router as a switch.
I hope this all makes sense my friend. I like plain talk as I am a "plain old" computer guy.
@@UncleMikeRetro Wow great input! The MoCA devices are arriving tomorrow, I will lookout for that video to setup my second router with the MoCA devices. Thanks again!
@@nyczextreme Thanks! I try to help all my friends! Also, I do have a short video about accessing the web based interface of the devices using a Static IP Address
ruclips.net/video/zHvnbgIXf_8/видео.html
If you have any issues getting them to work, or when you do get them working, let us know.
Remember, there is always the chance that your splitter or coax filter (splitters have the signal range on them) might not be in the right range for the MoCA signal, but sometimes it makes no difference. The 8 way octopus splitter I inherited with my house was one of the crap ones. I disconnected all the lines I was not using, as I stream my TV signals to Roku and Fire devices anyway.
Hey! Did your MoCA devices get there yet?
@@UncleMikeRetro hey. Thanks for checking in. I actually did received but the coax connection in my other room doesn't have any connection. I contacted my apt's maintenance to come to figure out why.
Question, I have a coax cable coming out of my wall connected into a splitter that then connects into my modem and router(both over coax obviously) Can I remove the splitter, then connect the coax cable from the wall into a ---> (goCoax MoCA 2.5 Adapter for Ethernet Over Coax) then plug a coax cable from my moca adapter into my modem?
Hey pal! So, the coaxial cable coming from your wall would plug into the MoCA connection on the device (assuming a goCoax device) and then the "TV" connection on the device would plug into the cable modem. Then ethernet out from the modem to your router (or switch if no WiFi for you) and then ethernet from the router/switch into the device's ethernet port (this is how the "internet" signal goes into the coaxial lines). After that, at least one other MoCA device in another location, connected to the coaxial lines should have a signal.
Now, this all assumes that you don't have any unknown splitters in the way causing a signal loss (see my recommendations on splitters if you need one). IF you need to hook up a TV set to the incoming coaxial from the wall before it gets to the modem, you will need one of these "MoCA" compatible splitters, but most of us stream or use the provider's apps anyway, right?
@@UncleMikeRetro ok, all sounds good so far but I have a further problem. wire in wall ---> splitter --->router (modem also connects to router with ethernet rj45)
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modem
When I remove this splitter from the equation like so, wire in wall (via coax) ----> modem, then modem (via ethernet) ----> router. when I do this, my up-stairs cable tv no longer works for watching cable but my house wifi is not affected. could you tell me why?
I want to be sure I understand the situation correctly. your first diagram has the coax line from the wall being split in two. Then one coaxial line goes into the router and another coaxial line into the modem? Are you sure that's right? not sure how/why a coaxial line would go into the router. If we can establish the correctness of this I might opine better.
@@UncleMikeRetro that is I think how it was, this is how it is after I plugged everything back in because it wasn't working
coax wire from wall --------splitter
/ ------ (same splitter/side with 1 coax line) ----> router
modem
this is how it is right now.
the ethernet is also still connected from modem to router.
Who are you using for your internet provider? What is the router make/model and the modem make/model? I am intrigued by the setup. It sounds like you MIGHT have a MoCA setup already but there are two kinds of MoCA. One is MoCA LAN over ethernet/coax and the other is WAN over ethernet/coaxial. They are not compatible and something like the goCoax would not help you if you have the WAN MoCA. There is a chance the signals would interfere with each other over the same coaxial line.
I don't understand the need for your belkin switch. Why is this needed? I have one Cable Modem and a Wireless Router in my downstairs office. If I connect the coax cable from the wall directly into the MOCA adapter won't this mess up the MAC address that I already have configured with Comcast? Just a little bit confused on how this all connects up without breaking something along the way.
If I understand this:
1. Connect the first MOCA Adapter to the Coax Cable from the Wall
2. Connect the outpout port of the MOCA Adapter to the Cable Modem
3. Connect the Network Cable from the MOCA adapter to one of the LAN ports on the Router
4. Connect the second MOCA Adapter to the Coax Cable in the Room that you want to connect the second device to.
5. Connect the Network Cable from the MOCA adapter into the Network device that you want to use.
All great questions!
First, the Belkin switch is in there to demonstrate to lesser knowledgeable users that you can still pile up local devices/computers on each end of a MoCA connection. I hope that makes sense. I was just being open about how I have things setup.
Second, the MoCA devices set a signal on top of whatever is incoming from Comcast, Spectrum or whatever ISP you may use. Trust me, you don't have to squirrel with MAC addresses, etc.
Third, you have the setup correct. I might add don't forget to connect the WAN from the cable modem to the WAN on the router too (again, just for sake of completeness).
I use my MoCA every day and love it!
@@UncleMikeRetro Thanks for the clarifications.
@@UncleMikeRetro Can I also ask you another question? I notice that most of the new MOCA adapters do not have a second port on the outside. How would I handle this, if I were to purchase one of the newer devices with one coax port? I need two with the setup that I have. One Cable coming from the wall and the second port to be used for the Cable Modem.
Yeah, I heard that is a thing. In that case, and you need a TV passthrough, you have to just buy a device with the TV pass. Not sure how else that works.
why not go from master signal in to your modem, then to your router, then to a MoCa adapter?
That is actually what we are doing here. Fiber in to the modem, modem ethernet out to the router WAN, router ethernet out to the MoCA, MoCA sharing that signal via the coaxial out/in (withs both ways) to any other MoCA device in the home.
@@UncleMikeRetro Oh, okay. I watched the later videos you made on this and you did indeed switch to fiber.
Yup. But, even with the cable internet, you HAVE to connect each MoCA device to the wall coax via the MoCA coaxial ports so they can talk. Then the TV port to the cable modem, etc. No other way. I did try other ways just for fun and... nope.
One thing I noticed you didn't purchase was the MoCA PoE Filter. I'm guessing since you enabled the MPS your network is secure?
Well, I am in a residential area where the next house is a ways away and yeah, relying on that. Also, there is some evidence the PoE filters may interfere with DOCSIS 3.1 modems so I never got one (used to have cable internet).
@@UncleMikeRetro "there is some evidence the PoE filters may interfere with DOCSIS 3.1 modems" Really? Will have to watch for that once I hook up my MoCA network.
@@scarpien I can't say its widespread, but Reddit has some information on it.
@@UncleMikeRetro Thanks.
@@scarpien Yessir!
Did you have to do anything special to activate MoCa or did it turn on automatically when you hooked everything up?
Great question, sorry I did not address it. The short answer is no. The MoCa devices when powered up just worked. The only configuration anyone would have to do is if you wanted to enable the WPA security functions, but as I only have this running on the coaxial lines in my own home, it was not necessary.
They work 24/7 without ever needing a reboot or reset/power down, etc. Best things I have purchased in a long time and like I said in the video, this all lets me have full gig LAN capabilities (with 2 devices of course) and have my 600/400 internet wherever I want it with low pings.
@@UncleMikeRetro hey thanks for your vid...I got my gocoax boxes hooked up and connection is good with DHCP, I just can't access the web interface unless I set IP to what it says in the manual but then I loose internet. My networking knowledge is rusty, do I have to change the subnet range for the web interface to work or do I have to set a static IP on my device for my router for both to work? Thanks!
@@djcyph Hey there pal and thanks for the feedback on the usefulness of my "home video" 😁
Are you trying to update the device firmware or just "look" at its web interface or run diagnostics off the interface or a little of everything? Just curious myself as I have NOT delved that deep yet. If you are trying to get the WPS security working, again, I have not found the need myself.
This is a blurb from the GoCoax website FAQ about setting up the devices for accessing their web based interfaces:
"You need to set your IP address manually to 192.168.254.1, subnet 255.255.255.0 because the adapter does not have DHCP server. Set your IP manually and the web admin page will load. The default IP of the device is 192.168.254.254. username is admin, password is gocoax. You can change the default password as you want."
Also, the website manual states:
"4. Log into the managment web
Step1: Power on the device.
Step2: Configure your PC's IP address to 192.168.254.x, for
example, 192.168.254.10. Connect the device to the PC via ethernet
cable.
Step3: Log into the device's web by 192.168.254.254,
username: admin, password: gocoax
Step4: With the management web, you check the current
configurations and monitor the device status. "
I am interpreting this that you have to directly connect the GoCoax device directly to your computer via ethernet cable and change your PC IP address to allow it to talk to the device directly.
Give this a try unless you have already done so and let me/all of know how it goes. I'll go ahead and try this myself on the upcoming weekend to see if I can get it working and report back too.
@@UncleMikeRetro Thanks for the reply. I dusted the networking cob webs off my brain right after my post and remembered what to do....So yea I just wanted to be able to access web interface to check link status, update firmware when needed etc without loosing internet. All I had to do was change the IP address of the moca to fit in my subnet mask range. So incase anyone else is wondering. Subnet of 255.255.255.0 means every # in your ip before the 0 has to be exactly the same. Most home networks are 192.168.1.X so with gocoax being set to 192.168.254.254 the 254 in the 3rd set of numbers won't let it work with your home network. Change that first 254 to 1 and your good!
Update! Got the web interface working this morning. I will post a separate video on how to 😎
I just got a moca adapter and it doesn't seem to be working. On the install manual it says to plug into a wall socket for both the "serving" and the "receiving" moca adapter. I have spectrum internet as well, but there is no wall socket where the coax comes in from them, obviously. I plugged the moca onto the same 8 way splitter that the internet coax gets fed to and the two moca adapters are not seeing each other. Should I connect the "serving" moca adapter to the spectrum coax and use the passthrough TV port? I'm going to try and comment below on whether that will work or not. Thank you.
Not sure exactly how you are set up even after reading your question. But you have to feed the MoCA device the signal from your Cable modem via Ethernet, THEN have them feed it back through the coaxial lines to each other.
Also, you HAVE to have a minimum of 2 MoCA adapters so they can talk to each other. Do you have 2?
@@UncleMikeRetro just figured it out. Apparently the splitter from spectrum and the other splitter I have don't feed into the same network. Switched the splitter the MoCA adapters were on and it worked.
@@notrevvz You da man! How's the speed?
@@UncleMikeRetro MoCA adapter connects using high speed mode and I get the maximum speed spectrum gives me. I'm on their 300mbps plan and I get 350 down and 12 up
@@notrevvz Great! Also, how's your MoCA speed? Have you run any tests for your local net?
When you see dB it is almost always referred to as "dee-bee"
Ha! Thanks Fred. Old school guy I am, assuming I have to actually pronounce everything like it looks.
@@UncleMikeRetro it's not wrong it just sounds awkward
I would personally say “decibel” because that’s what the unit is.
@@Zosu22 I can get behind your opinion!
@@Zosu22 As a working E.E. for over 40 years we develop a shorthand that every understands, "dee-bee" for dB, amps for Amperes, etc. You a free to do and say as you wish.
No filter
for what purpose? My home is isolated in its coax
But u have a main line coaxial coming that needs to be filtered.. it's like water and sewage bill u paying sewage to filter the water coming into the house and then to get rid of the waste.. filters are not necessary, but it bumps up the speed a little.. 93 octane
I see where you are coming from! No, I disconnected the outside coaxial from my home. The only coax lines I use are purely within my home. The fiber doesn't come in on coax. I am isolated coaxial"ly"
If your signal was weak why did they leave you on a 3way with just internet. Instead of a stright shot. And spectrum doesn't use regal those are ancient. Not to me those t walmart connecters.
Spectrum disconnected just enough of the unused drops and splits as they needed to get my signal working. It would still come and go in strength depending on what I always thought was randomness. Also, They DID leave a fairly cheap splitter that worked well enough. I did have TV when they did the initial install, so they left several still connected you see. It was not always just internet.
Then, the main point of the demonstration isn't to show someone with a fairly new/modern home what might be stopping their MoCA signals. Those homes probably work just fine as-is. It is for "Joe Average" who owns an older home, older splitters and maybe sometimes even hand-run coaxial through the house. Most folks have to deal with preexisting crap not new stuff.
BUT, your point is taken!
You're getting older. Time to recognize that and throw away all the "computer lab" junk. If you need something buy something nice and value a single nice thing rather than the idea that you "might just need" some of that crap you're storing at some point in the random future. I promise you cleaning it out will relieve your mind.
While I do hear you and appreciate the viewpoint, I am not QUITE there yet. Still having fun with it, but you know there will be a reckoning day when I put away my things and settle back with a book more than old parts.
@@UncleMikeRetro lol mike, i have the old tech conundrum too
@@almanac520 LOL! Someone understands! Thanks, pal!