yeah, but people are also fucking idiots who only seem to hear parts and leap to conclusions. literally, over a hundred people i've talked to, didn't get that the planet situation was no man's sky ish, that the whole planet was viable. and there's also plenty of people that seemed to think this was going to be more like no man's sky or minecraft, just a lot of creative space with no bethesda charm, instead of basically having more handcrafted stuff than skyrim and fallout 4, but then also nms kind of space on top of that, so it's not one or the other.
People forget that Bethesda have been using procedural generation technology on all their games and then put their touch. Has been working well for them so Im not worried
People associate it to nms's procedural generation, which is so not right, hello games probably never did procedural generation, bethesda is a veteran at it
What they showed was not good. Procedural generation is capable of so much more especially on a PC. However, to be fair what they showed was a long time ago. I've seen much better concept art for alien planets so wasn't impressed at all in the overall design choices. But as I said it was quite awhile ago so hoping they wow us at launch.
tbf they didn't have 1000 big ass planets worth of space to try to cover, too. there just isn't a good way to do that with the kind of saturation of content bethesda's usually good for. and imo, that's fine - make a lot of shit, and have that with the nms freedom.
@@KeithElliott-zd8cx bruh..... bgs litteraly came up with a new system of procedural generation where they can build 1000s of planets, all different looking with just a click of a button, so they dont really have to spend time on building the planets separately, they just need to plant the handcrafted content on them...... and thats for most planets, i believe, and some are fully handcrafted, so i imagine 20 to 40 would be really handcrafted and the rest are procedural generation......which is much more than what i had in mind before their very first showcase..... i thought there will only be 8 or 9 planets in the whole game....lol
The awe inspiring moments when exploring Skyrim, seeing the mountains with the fog and maybe a distant dragon, were AMAZING MOMENTS. And they seem to realize that we want that again, and the beauty of space and the beauty of the different planet biomes are a fabtastic place to expand upon that beauty
@@thatsoulsguy3028 I still go I to Skyrim and after exploring and killing a dragon or bandits or something I look around and see the beautiful landscape with amazing mountain tops and still feel the beauty of it 12 years later. One of the best looking world's in gaming history
In general, everyone loves being a critic because it makes them feel smart, but these same critics fail to think creatively enough about the many different ways a game can pull something off that might have been tried before but in very different ways and with mixed results.
I believe you’re correct with the planets having the odd random encounters and dungeons/caves etc for you to explore with either random lore or like space pirate dens/bases etc. nothing exciting but just to fill it with something at least
My biggest question about Starfield is, we know we can land and explore anywhere on a planet, so does that include the oceans? And If its only land exploration then what about the planets that are over 70% coverd in water? You see, I believe there might be underwater exploration in Starfield. If they are procedurally generating entire planets then they probably have to generate entire Oceans too on oceanic planets. Below are a few reasons why I believe this is the case(I could be totally wrong).... 1. 'Neon' one of the major cities in Starfield is right in the middle of an ocean. It will feel pretty weird if we are not able to explore the outskirts of a major city in a BGS game. A game which is all about exploration. 2. If you remember, in Fallout 4, one third of the map was all water for no reason at all on which BGS later confirmed that there were a lot of underwater cut content including a BioShock style underwater vault with a giant mutant octopus lurking in its vicinity, and whole lot more which were later data mined. All of it went to the cutting floor for reasons not disclosed (probably because of technical or time limitations back then). So, they tried to do a lot of underwater content in Fallout 4 back then and they were clearly interested. Naturally, this makes me wonder.
@@etmon. I have no idea! Maybe using the ship customisation system we install some ship module or some flotation system on our landing gears that allows us to put our ship in the water.
Todd said it'll be Skyrim in space, and there was underwater exploration in Skyrim. So it should be in Starfield . Unless it was too problematic to include it in a game like Starfield.
Hey Ian, thumbs up from me buddy. I’m always flattered when the crazy thoughts in my head can inspire others. Just wanted to encourage you to keep finding your own voice. Hope you enjoy the Direct event this upcoming weekend!
10, 100 or 1000 planets is great as long as they are differentiated from one another and have things to do on them…No Man’s Sky has countless planets obviously, but once you’ve seen three or four you’ve seen most of what the entire game has to offer 🤷♂️
They're more than likely going to be a giant ass dungeon with dungeons inside dungeons, and then when you get out of the dungeon World space into outer space, that's also going to be a dungeon, except that will be as far as you can go because it's space.
@@harrasika i mean bethesda has done that with several different games for probably 30 plus year now, compared to that, sc devs are noobs at this and whats more, sc is never releasing......
@@trissmerigold7722 Star citizen didn’t have anything to really start with besides the early access and try to snowball hype and money around the early part of the development cycle. So the players will see all their flaws on full display as it’s a work in progress due to necessity so it may seem like their devs are “noobs” I wouldn’t quite say that but I will say Bethesda is much more experienced in the field. Starfield is coming from a solidified studio with a massive amount of talent and funds. Star citizen had to crawl to create their first game. Bethesda did the same struggle to solidify a foothold in the industry in the early days but expectations for games were much lower back then and required much less time and resources. I really respect both studios I’m definitely biased towards Bethesda as I love the games but if squadron 42 ever releases and is good I’ll be all in on the studio that makes star citizen.
I saw the new Unreal Engine 5 procedural generated scenes. It is very good. I couldn't tell between hand-made and the AIPG maps. Assuming Bethesda has their own similar engine.
Each system should be a discovered system in the galactic network with at least one planet with pre- industrial or more advanced space faring civilizations. That would make more sense, like star wars, with mapped systems connected to hyperspace routes, leading to planets with intelligent life.
the thousand planets doesn't even really need to be quality, just plenty of room to expand, explore, and be free in. of course I want them to be quality but every game gotta have some side content somewhere. If anything I am just hoping we can spend basically the whole time city building and creating a huge network of the empire of mankind
One of the big things that modders need to start begging Bethesda I think in the future, especially when ESVI comes out in the future with its mod tools, is they needs to give us better Procedural Generation Tools (that looks like its handcrafted) for building landscapes, dungeons, etc. from scratch. The tools we got in the past were not the best out there so most of the work has to be done by hand still, which frankly takes way too much time for community based projects (look at Skyblivion, Skywind, Beyond Skyrim for example, those projects have been in the works for over 10 years now and nowhere near done yet) and using AI for creating the 3D assets for making the worlds and NPCs. At this point, those mods should be full on standalone games frankly. The reason I point this out, is the community going to have the same patience once those projects ever finish to do another community mod remake of Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and 4 etc., to take 10-15 years for another remake? So far we do have the patience right now because we never got substantial remakes of these games before or significant mod content to play these but I think in the future, we definitely need to be looking into Procedural Generation more to creating massive landscapes and then go in and tweak them by hand. The way they are going about making these landscapes takes far too much time (I know the handcrafted is the best, but people don't have years and years they want to wait for one big mod to come out, we need to consider making these kinds of mods in far less time than it takes right now so that so much backbreaking work doesn't need to be done and can be a simple process to get it done in say 2-3 years). I fear a second go around of these kinds of remakes, we'll be stretching in the 2040s by the time these things even see the light of day, do you really want to wait that long?
Slightly worried think that crater the ship was in was on a moon and on a Mars like, hope I won't keep seeing the same mountain on 30 different planets, ie hope they made enougth unique tiles for everywhere to feel different
As long as it is as least as good as NMS I'm in. I'm guessing it will surpass aforementioned game by far. And if there is only one side quest for each planet then that is at least one thousand quests.
So if the menu to land is just the only way to land what happens when you fly up to a planet? Do you just hit a wall or do you just go into the menu to land? Or if a planet has only one point of interest is the rest of the planet pointless?
I have high hopes for this game, BUT, remember, never pre order and never buy day one. More than likely it will be 6 months to a year after release before Starfield is finished by modders.
The game looks great don't get me wrong but 1000 planets. I'd get burnout. I'm sure repetitiveness will occur. That's in all games. It's only a 40 hour story I read so surely you don't visit all of these during that. It could be goty competitor. Just don't think it's for me. If it's for any y'all seeing this I hope you enjoy it and it lives up to how it looks
this game has 8 years development, we will see the result, fallout 76 is made by bethesda austin team B, new joint of bethesda for multiplayer game that they planed before and all of it was cancel, thus fallout76 was created after that, so bethesda A team has a lot of legacy making skyrim, morrowind, oblivion and fallout franchise. So you can expect they have learnt something but the bug maybe there cause this game is super big, the more big it get, the more bug it will happen
So I'm going to say because obviously every single person that talks about starfield they forget the only other game that is done what starfield is trying to do would be elite dangerous which is the entire Milky Way galaxy but everybody compares oh no man's sky this no man's sky that but nobody talks about elite dangerous You can land anywhere on a planet and now with the Odyssey expansion you can get out of your ship and explore these planets but no one talks about that
That's because the overwhelming majority of people who are content creators for Starfield simply don't play space games. Some of them are really just fantasy game players. I was listening to a podcast recently. One of the panelists was wondering how Starfield would handle smuggling. Paraphrasing him, he basically said lets compare it to No Man's Sky because what else is there. They don't even understand why people enjoy flying spaceships. They're completely clueless.
Hope they upgraded the planetary procedural generation as what they showed was very bad. Poor texture and very little in the way of ground cover. Not expecting plants as I'm sure Goldilock planets are rare but they could have had interesting mineral planets and hazardous planets with lava or corrosive atmosphere. The planets need to be interesting even the dead ones. Save barren landscapes for most moons. They need to get some real SciFi concept artists to show them what alien planets can look like with interesting natural architecture. Oh, and atmosphere and weather effects should be interesting too. Tornados, dust storms, electrical storms, electro magnetic storms, ice storms. Maybe strange aurora lights, ball lightning, gas fires, etc. There are so many things you can implement procedurally into the planets. I'd make the hazardous planets have the best mineral deposits and hardest to colonize but well worth it if you can get it going.
Well yeah sort of but to use your point against you. Most planets are baron and are balls of nothingness. The mineral planets and strange alien planets are soooooooo rare then even if starfield have two planets like this it would be very unrealistic. 😂
@@lconnerz100 I know what you are saying but too realistic would make the game boring. G forces of sudden ship movements would kill the crew. Radiation especially gamma would penetrate most suits and kill the crew. Faster than light physical travel again would kill the crew. Time dilation from distance and systems in a galaxy being at different speed would cause everyone to be dead of old age by the time you returned(Relativity Theory). So.... If you are going to have a SciFi space game you may as well make it interesting as you are already bending and breaking a ton of rules anyways. That being said I'm not saying every planet needs to be special. Just a fair number of them and a very good geological formation procedural generator could do that even for barren worlds.
@@lionelwhiskerknot sort of and no. The suits are designed for this so they have the defences needed for the radiation. time dilation, even though true. It wouldn’t be a noticeable effect unless you was living near a black hole or going near the speed of light, space warping (which I assume will be in the game) isn’t going fast, It’s bringing space to you, which won’t cause time dilation. xD I hope you’re right but at the same time some people will want the baron worlds. Not only does it create a sense of loneliness which some people love but it gives space for modders to do their thanngggggggggggf and I can’t wait :D
@@lconnerz100 Well... Bethesda always gives modders room to work intentional or not. 😂 I'm assuming the game is going to be set in the Milky Way galaxy too and not other galaxies. I think the movies Interstellar and The Martian did a good job of showing some of the problems with space travel. Not sure I buy the frozen cloud thing on that one planet in Interstellar tho. Starfield seems to lean towards Interstellar vibes a bit with their robot companion.
@@lionelwhiskerknotyeah that’s true haha! Ermm I’ve seen interstellar and I can’t even remember the frozen cloud 💀😂. Apparently I didn’t love the film. I Dno what way the game will be going but either way I’m fully hyped and ready to book a week off work 🤣
That was a lot of talking to say nothing. If Starfield makes its planets similar to the way that Star Citizen does then I'll be happy. If we get some weird Frankenplanets then I wont be as happy.
fingers crossed. yes other games did certain things better than skyrim, but no game put so much together to present a real breathing world. Syrim is the greatest game ever so far. Well the best game made by human hands. 🚬✝
Witcher 3 did it much better. Whiterun has like 10 houses and it's supposed to be a big city. Same for Solitude. Or any other city in Skyrim. The way BGS like to make their games creates certain strings in some aspects and game mechanics. Plenty of loading screens (every city in Skyrim is basically split in 2 - LOD/world cell) and problematic implementation of any vehicles. Skyrim came out more or less at the same time as Battlefield 3. It was outdated in everything before it even came out. But they managed to create an atmosphere and theme exactly as it should be for that game to succeed. Radiant AI has become a meme over the years. In Oblivion it was funny at least. In Skyrim less so but in Fallout 4 it was a complete disaster (try to build settlements in F4 and assign your settlers to any job/bed) But of course the only game better than TES V will be TES VI. It's impossible to compare TES to any other game. Same as the only game better than W3 will be W4 imo.
@GreenTea💚 OFC. If you don't understand why then it means you were born after tik-tok/YT/FB/Google/Instagram and such. Skyrim being one of the best games ever made = facts.
@GreenTea💚 Well I am sorry. I don't believe in fanboy-ism but when it comes to the gaming industry I am one of the sensitive ones when players don't bend their knee while talking about Skyrim. Because I still remember seeing leaked images of concept art for TES V and pictures of new races and such and waiting for TES V to come out only to find out that it's many times better than expected. Frankly I don't believe that any game deserves the title ''best game ever made'' because its always about preferences. We are all different and what is a great game for me might be less interesting to others. It would be a different story if we compare games by their tech and accomplishments achieved by maxing out potential of current tech. But even that would have different titles to be crowned with different years of release. TES V is being supported by the modding community to this date almost 12 years later with several tens of thousands mods and mod downloads counting in billions .
Let's not forget the power of Bethesda's Radiant Systems to give life to these thousand worlds. Will Shen has said that they can populate a radiant location with entire *structures* and major events, which means that over time there could be an *accretion* of various radiant locations on the same planet. So think of like this: when your character is level 1, every planet starts as a blank slate with maybe only a few permanent locations, say the average is 3 -- exploring into the dark would certainly feel rather lonely. But then everytime you initiate a quest, some planet somewhere gets populated with a Radiant Location. You then visit that planet, and other random locations and events begin populating as you explore it. Say you establish an Outpost, which then produces its own local radiant quests for things like rescuing kidnapped Settlers or whatever. By the time you've fully explored the planet, it's gone from a barren wasteland with only 3 locations, to a bustling hive of activity with more than a dozen locations, filled with skirmishes and hidden bases and all sorts of intrigue. Then multiply that by a thousand.
Look at Fallout 4 settlement system. So much potential only to become boring lagfest due to lobotomized AI, really bad pathfinding/navmesh, low effort and the entire game felt like it was about to crash at any given moment because worldcells couldn't handle certain areas. Especially around downtown. Few of the most popular small mods (Scrap Everything/Spring Cleaning) are causing so many issues that creators of sim settlements even advised against using them even without use of SS mod. Basically any mod that disables precombines can and will break worldcells and LODs (you might have seen this if you ever modded F4 and had weird 2D buildings popping out) SF will suffer similar issues I am afraid since Bethesda didn't move on from Creation Engine. And what's even worse is that this time it may not even take any mod to create a mess in world cells. I mean planets ? 1000 planets ? I hope I am wrong about this but I have a bad feeling.... I am not sure what would be worse - having some ground vehicles in a Bethesda game where most probably it would cause a lot of CTD while driving it or no ground vehicles at all so the game won't crash but you as a player walking the entire planet on foot.
@@andreassk I don't see how any of this pertains to Starfield. F4 is 8 years and a major engine overhaul ago. I think the fact that Creation 2 can render 1000 planets is a testament to its optimization. As for drivable vehicles: horses, dragons, and Vertibirds don't go significantly faster than sprinting, so I don't expect Starfield to break the mold. Slower character speeds are simply less taxing on the engine. Do more with less.
@@botmes4044 It would take a lot of optimism for me to believe that any Creation Engine overhaul will make any difference. It is still a Gamebryo engine, the same as it was in TES 3. You might think that 8 years is a lot for a game developer and its tools to evolve but sadly Bethesda didn't. IDK for what reason they wont swap to a proper next gen engine. It's not about money I am sure. Look what Unreal engine can do. Or unity. Look at what CIG managed to create in Star Citizen....those are some proper tools imo. BGS isn't even hiding these facts. AS Todd said - no loading free landing and game most probably being locked at 30 FPS for consoles. My goal is not hating the game but to calm the hype that often leads to disappointment. Don't expect it to be the ultimate game of the games because it simply won't be. Though I am sure it will be a great game and if there isn't any major disaster (like with F76) it will be played for years to come and supported by countless mods. (hope its gonna be mods drama free this time)
@@andreassk No offense it's no just gamebryo, also ANY who says "move on from CE" doesn't know tech nor games.. If CE is so replaceable why hasn't ANYONE made a FO OR TES competitor??? Name another engine not named SlipSpace (343 industries engine which is only MP maps) that can do mods on console?? You guys seem to not understand UE is OLDER than CE by like 6 years, and YES let's look at what UE can do?? Not make a TES or FO competitor while being free and older... It LOOKS nice but has VERY limited interactivity, RPG ability even to this day is Mass Effect one.. I was hoping Avowed would do it but they actually use UE but it's with a in house engine plug in for the RPG mechanics so that doesn't count.. Yes besides visuals what CAN it do better than CE??? Do tell?? CIG took TWELVE YEAR'S to get the game to simply be stable and it STILL doesn't have a game let alone a game with a console version that's modable.. The fact your trying to criticize Bethesda yet show ANY type of praise for a company that's lied more than Todd Howard has in 5 games over 25 years.. Vs thier ONE game in a decade is honestly baffling.. Thier engines terrible, and basically sacrificed a game trying BUILD UP to the creation engine.. Why do you think NO companys made a "AAA RPG" to scale as they do?? Cause without CE the best RPG you'll get is Witcher 3.. Which is yes or no replies, no depth on NPCs, set characters, basically a Action Adventure game with "RPG elements"..
My guess is that Will Shen was speaking imprecisely. I believe that every planet is first procedurally generated. Then the planets are procedurally populated with various POIs. Then each planet is given special attention by the artists to handcraft them as needed. I highly doubt that your Kreet and my Kreet will be different. That would be very strange. Now the sim could be reactive. For example, if I join the Crimson Fleet and successfully do missions for them in a non-aligned area of space, then a byproduct of that could be a dynamically populated presence of the Crimson Fleet. That could be in the form of a pirate base appearing somewhere or maybe some shady characters appearing where there were none previously. But I doubt that Space FedEx is going to give you a mission to deliver medicine to some space orphanage on a desolate world and some village suddenly gets created on the fly where non had existed previously.
Todd has already said that it’s partially procedurally generated and partially hand crafted
yeah, but people are also fucking idiots who only seem to hear parts and leap to conclusions.
literally, over a hundred people i've talked to, didn't get that the planet situation was no man's sky ish, that the whole planet was viable.
and there's also plenty of people that seemed to think this was going to be more like no man's sky or minecraft, just a lot of creative space with no bethesda charm, instead of basically having more handcrafted stuff than skyrim and fallout 4, but then also nms kind of space on top of that, so it's not one or the other.
People who believe Todd deserves what they get.
People forget that Bethesda have been using procedural generation technology on all their games and then put their touch. Has been working well for them so Im not worried
People associate it to nms's procedural generation, which is so not right, hello games probably never did procedural generation, bethesda is a veteran at it
What they showed was not good. Procedural generation is capable of so much more especially on a PC. However, to be fair what they showed was a long time ago. I've seen much better concept art for alien planets so wasn't impressed at all in the overall design choices. But as I said it was quite awhile ago so hoping they wow us at launch.
tbf they didn't have 1000 big ass planets worth of space to try to cover, too.
there just isn't a good way to do that with the kind of saturation of content bethesda's usually good for.
and imo, that's fine - make a lot of shit, and have that with the nms freedom.
@@lionelwhiskerknot so what did you wanna see? I was quite blown away....... and the showcase is in 6 days now
@@KeithElliott-zd8cx bruh..... bgs litteraly came up with a new system of procedural generation where they can build 1000s of planets, all different looking with just a click of a button, so they dont really have to spend time on building the planets separately, they just need to plant the handcrafted content on them...... and thats for most planets, i believe, and some are fully handcrafted, so i imagine 20 to 40 would be really handcrafted and the rest are procedural generation......which is much more than what i had in mind before their very first showcase..... i thought there will only be 8 or 9 planets in the whole game....lol
The awe inspiring moments when exploring Skyrim, seeing the mountains with the fog and maybe a distant dragon, were AMAZING MOMENTS. And they seem to realize that we want that again, and the beauty of space and the beauty of the different planet biomes are a fabtastic place to expand upon that beauty
I mean it was cool at the time but we’ve seen it a million times now so it won’t ever have that same special feeling again at least not for me
@@thatsoulsguy3028 Perhaps you should donate your eyes to a blind person since you don't appreciate beauty anymore.
@@CMDR_MAJIC lmao maybe someone should donate fresh eyes so I can re live the beauty for the first time again
@@thatsoulsguy3028 You'd also need a brain transplant to achieve that but then it wouldn't be you...
Edit: Actually, a memory wipe could solve it.
@@thatsoulsguy3028 I still go I to Skyrim and after exploring and killing a dragon or bandits or something I look around and see the beautiful landscape with amazing mountain tops and still feel the beauty of it 12 years later. One of the best looking world's in gaming history
Why are we all hyped? Because no one makes worlds like Bethesda....this will be massive
In general, everyone loves being a critic because it makes them feel smart, but these same critics fail to think creatively enough about the many different ways a game can pull something off that might have been tried before but in very different ways and with mixed results.
Yeah this dude is a straight troll and sounds like a crybaby karen
I imagine that most of the barren planets will be use for base’s and mods
Skyrim remade lol 😂
Mass effect worlds in Starfield
Earth in Starfield lol
I believe you’re correct with the planets having the odd random encounters and dungeons/caves etc for you to explore with either random lore or like space pirate dens/bases etc. nothing exciting but just to fill it with something at least
My biggest question about Starfield is, we know we can land and explore anywhere on a planet, so does that include the oceans? And If its only land exploration then what about the planets that are over 70% coverd in water? You see, I believe there might be underwater exploration in Starfield. If they are procedurally generating entire planets then they probably have to generate entire Oceans too on oceanic planets. Below are a few reasons why I believe this is the case(I could be totally wrong)....
1. 'Neon' one of the major cities in Starfield is right in the middle of an ocean. It will feel pretty weird if we are not able to explore the outskirts of a major city in a BGS game. A game which is all about exploration.
2. If you remember, in Fallout 4, one third of the map was all water for no reason at all on which BGS later confirmed that there were a lot of underwater cut content including a BioShock style underwater vault with a giant mutant octopus lurking in its vicinity, and whole lot more which were later data mined. All of it went to the cutting floor for reasons not disclosed (probably because of technical or time limitations back then). So, they tried to do a lot of underwater content in Fallout 4 back then and they were clearly interested. Naturally, this makes me wonder.
how would you land on water with a space ship?
@@etmon. I have no idea! Maybe using the ship customisation system we install some ship module or some flotation system on our landing gears that allows us to put our ship in the water.
Todd said it'll be Skyrim in space, and there was underwater exploration in Skyrim. So it should be in Starfield . Unless it was too problematic to include it in a game like Starfield.
@Etmon Well, Space X's spaceships land on platform forms in the ocean now. I would imagine someone could figure out a futuristic way
@@jasonkingsley7386 Todd Howard did meet Elon musk. Maybe to talk about that 😂😂😂🤣
Hey Ian, thumbs up from me buddy. I’m always flattered when the crazy thoughts in my head can inspire others. Just wanted to encourage you to keep finding your own voice. Hope you enjoy the Direct event this upcoming weekend!
10, 100 or 1000 planets is great as long as they are differentiated from one another and have things to do on them…No Man’s Sky has countless planets obviously, but once you’ve seen three or four you’ve seen most of what the entire game has to offer 🤷♂️
They're more than likely going to be a giant ass dungeon with dungeons inside dungeons, and then when you get out of the dungeon World space into outer space, that's also going to be a dungeon, except that will be as far as you can go because it's space.
And then then space dungeon has another dungeon docked with it, and then nearby there's an asteroid dungeon...
The same type of Procedural tech as Star Citizen uses - it is very viable. It is the curated stuff that takes the time.
A better comparison would be the same type of proc gen they used in their previous games
Bethesda is a veteran with procedural generation bro.......sc devs are noobs, u cant compare😂
@@trissmerigold7722 How? They've been working on that game for at least 10 years. That much time is gonna make you a veteran in any field.
@@harrasika i mean bethesda has done that with several different games for probably 30 plus year now, compared to that, sc devs are noobs at this and whats more, sc is never releasing......
@@trissmerigold7722 Star citizen didn’t have anything to really start with besides the early access and try to snowball hype and money around the early part of the development cycle. So the players will see all their flaws on full display as it’s a work in progress due to necessity so it may seem like their devs are “noobs” I wouldn’t quite say that but I will say Bethesda is much more experienced in the field. Starfield is coming from a solidified studio with a massive amount of talent and funds. Star citizen had to crawl to create their first game. Bethesda did the same struggle to solidify a foothold in the industry in the early days but expectations for games were much lower back then and required much less time and resources. I really respect both studios I’m definitely biased towards Bethesda as I love the games but if squadron 42 ever releases and is good I’ll be all in on the studio that makes star citizen.
I saw the new Unreal Engine 5 procedural generated scenes. It is very good. I couldn't tell between hand-made and the AIPG maps. Assuming Bethesda has their own similar engine.
I'm really looking forward to seeing how modders fill out some of those 1000 planets
Each system should be a discovered system in the galactic network with at least one planet with pre- industrial or more advanced space faring civilizations. That would make more sense, like star wars, with mapped systems connected to hyperspace routes, leading to planets with intelligent life.
just more room for modders to mod
This is a highly evolved version of how the built Daggerfall. You know, that game that's literally the size of the UK.
the thousand planets doesn't even really need to be quality, just plenty of room to expand, explore, and be free in. of course I want them to be quality but every game gotta have some side content somewhere. If anything I am just hoping we can spend basically the whole time city building and creating a huge network of the empire of mankind
It looks like Take off and Landing is a cut scene, if it is then the planets are just dungeons disguised as planets.
One of the big things that modders need to start begging Bethesda I think in the future, especially when ESVI comes out in the future with its mod tools, is they needs to give us better Procedural Generation Tools (that looks like its handcrafted) for building landscapes, dungeons, etc. from scratch. The tools we got in the past were not the best out there so most of the work has to be done by hand still, which frankly takes way too much time for community based projects (look at Skyblivion, Skywind, Beyond Skyrim for example, those projects have been in the works for over 10 years now and nowhere near done yet) and using AI for creating the 3D assets for making the worlds and NPCs. At this point, those mods should be full on standalone games frankly. The reason I point this out, is the community going to have the same patience once those projects ever finish to do another community mod remake of Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and 4 etc., to take 10-15 years for another remake? So far we do have the patience right now because we never got substantial remakes of these games before or significant mod content to play these but I think in the future, we definitely need to be looking into Procedural Generation more to creating massive landscapes and then go in and tweak them by hand. The way they are going about making these landscapes takes far too much time (I know the handcrafted is the best, but people don't have years and years they want to wait for one big mod to come out, we need to consider making these kinds of mods in far less time than it takes right now so that so much backbreaking work doesn't need to be done and can be a simple process to get it done in say 2-3 years). I fear a second go around of these kinds of remakes, we'll be stretching in the 2040s by the time these things even see the light of day, do you really want to wait that long?
Slightly worried think that crater the ship was in was on a moon and on a Mars like, hope I won't keep seeing the same mountain on 30 different planets, ie hope they made enougth unique tiles for everywhere to feel different
As long as it is as least as good as NMS I'm in. I'm guessing it will surpass aforementioned game by far. And if there is only one side quest for each planet then that is at least one thousand quests.
So if the menu to land is just the only way to land what happens when you fly up to a planet? Do you just hit a wall or do you just go into the menu to land? Or if a planet has only one point of interest is the rest of the planet pointless?
Uninteresting worlds… I see it as 1000s of modding scenarios on each planet… this is great for modding community!
It's not been released yet so I'll wait until it is until passing judgement. I'm expecting 2024 to be a missing year.
I have high hopes for this game, BUT, remember, never pre order and never buy day one. More than likely it will be 6 months to a year after release before Starfield is finished by modders.
Thanks for the video.
This is my next proper game after Elden Ring😊
The game looks great don't get me wrong but 1000 planets. I'd get burnout. I'm sure repetitiveness will occur. That's in all games. It's only a 40 hour story I read so surely you don't visit all of these during that. It could be goty competitor. Just don't think it's for me. If it's for any y'all seeing this I hope you enjoy it and it lives up to how it looks
That invisible wall you hit. 😂
wait until 11 june
this game has 8 years development, we will see the result, fallout 76 is made by bethesda austin team B, new joint of bethesda for multiplayer game that they planed before and all of it was cancel, thus fallout76 was created after that, so bethesda A team has a lot of legacy making skyrim, morrowind, oblivion and fallout franchise. So you can expect they have learnt something but the bug maybe there cause this game is super big, the more big it get, the more bug it will happen
So I'm going to say because obviously every single person that talks about starfield they forget the only other game that is done what starfield is trying to do would be elite dangerous which is the entire Milky Way galaxy but everybody compares oh no man's sky this no man's sky that but nobody talks about elite dangerous You can land anywhere on a planet and now with the Odyssey expansion you can get out of your ship and explore these planets but no one talks about that
That's because the overwhelming majority of people who are content creators for Starfield simply don't play space games. Some of them are really just fantasy game players. I was listening to a podcast recently. One of the panelists was wondering how Starfield would handle smuggling. Paraphrasing him, he basically said lets compare it to No Man's Sky because what else is there. They don't even understand why people enjoy flying spaceships. They're completely clueless.
Yeah ima remain sceptical with how shit alot of games has been launching lately.
They're delivering a blank canvas for mods and dlc.
White canvas
@@ivanexell-uz4mv that’s a blank canvas
@@pakostonge8462 isn’t it white tho?
@@ivanexell-uz4mv yes that’s what a blank canvas is
@@pakostonge8462 oh I read it as black lmao 🤣 I’m stupid! I’m so sorry 😂
I played 'No Man's sky' and i think space exploration is a tuff sale, well for me. Just Remaster FO4!
Hope they upgraded the planetary procedural generation as what they showed was very bad. Poor texture and very little in the way of ground cover. Not expecting plants as I'm sure Goldilock planets are rare but they could have had interesting mineral planets and hazardous planets with lava or corrosive atmosphere. The planets need to be interesting even the dead ones. Save barren landscapes for most moons. They need to get some real SciFi concept artists to show them what alien planets can look like with interesting natural architecture. Oh, and atmosphere and weather effects should be interesting too. Tornados, dust storms, electrical storms, electro magnetic storms, ice storms. Maybe strange aurora lights, ball lightning, gas fires, etc. There are so many things you can implement procedurally into the planets. I'd make the hazardous planets have the best mineral deposits and hardest to colonize but well worth it if you can get it going.
Well yeah sort of but to use your point against you. Most planets are baron and are balls of nothingness. The mineral planets and strange alien planets are soooooooo rare then even if starfield have two planets like this it would be very unrealistic. 😂
@@lconnerz100 I know what you are saying but too realistic would make the game boring. G forces of sudden ship movements would kill the crew. Radiation especially gamma would penetrate most suits and kill the crew. Faster than light physical travel again would kill the crew. Time dilation from distance and systems in a galaxy being at different speed would cause everyone to be dead of old age by the time you returned(Relativity Theory). So.... If you are going to have a SciFi space game you may as well make it interesting as you are already bending and breaking a ton of rules anyways. That being said I'm not saying every planet needs to be special. Just a fair number of them and a very good geological formation procedural generator could do that even for barren worlds.
@@lionelwhiskerknot sort of and no. The suits are designed for this so they have the defences needed for the radiation. time dilation, even though true. It wouldn’t be a noticeable effect unless you was living near a black hole or going near the speed of light, space warping (which I assume will be in the game) isn’t going fast, It’s bringing space to you, which won’t cause time dilation. xD
I hope you’re right but at the same time some people will want the baron worlds. Not only does it create a sense of loneliness which some people love but it gives space for modders to do their thanngggggggggggf and I can’t wait :D
@@lconnerz100 Well... Bethesda always gives modders room to work intentional or not. 😂 I'm assuming the game is going to be set in the Milky Way galaxy too and not other galaxies. I think the movies Interstellar and The Martian did a good job of showing some of the problems with space travel. Not sure I buy the frozen cloud thing on that one planet in Interstellar tho. Starfield seems to lean towards Interstellar vibes a bit with their robot companion.
@@lionelwhiskerknotyeah that’s true haha! Ermm I’ve seen interstellar and I can’t even remember the frozen cloud 💀😂. Apparently I didn’t love the film.
I Dno what way the game will be going but either way I’m fully hyped and ready to book a week off work 🤣
That was a lot of talking to say nothing. If Starfield makes its planets similar to the way that Star Citizen does then I'll be happy. If we get some weird Frankenplanets then I wont be as happy.
same three paragraphs said over and over and over just slightly rephrased for 8 minutes of this video
fingers crossed. yes other games did certain things better than skyrim, but no game put so much together to present a real breathing world. Syrim is the greatest game ever so far. Well the best game made by human hands. 🚬✝
Witcher 3 did it much better. Whiterun has like 10 houses and it's supposed to be a big city. Same for Solitude. Or any other city in Skyrim. The way BGS like to make their games creates certain strings in some aspects and game mechanics. Plenty of loading screens (every city in Skyrim is basically split in 2 - LOD/world cell) and problematic implementation of any vehicles.
Skyrim came out more or less at the same time as Battlefield 3. It was outdated in everything before it even came out. But they managed to create an atmosphere and theme exactly as it should be for that game to succeed.
Radiant AI has become a meme over the years. In Oblivion it was funny at least. In Skyrim less so but in Fallout 4 it was a complete disaster (try to build settlements in F4 and assign your settlers to any job/bed)
But of course the only game better than TES V will be TES VI. It's impossible to compare TES to any other game. Same as the only game better than W3 will be W4 imo.
@GreenTea💚 OFC. If you don't understand why then it means you were born after tik-tok/YT/FB/Google/Instagram and such. Skyrim being one of the best games ever made = facts.
@GreenTea💚 Well I am sorry. I don't believe in fanboy-ism but when it comes to the gaming industry I am one of the sensitive ones when players don't bend their knee while talking about Skyrim. Because I still remember seeing leaked images of concept art for TES V and pictures of new races and such and waiting for TES V to come out only to find out that it's many times better than expected. Frankly I don't believe that any game deserves the title ''best game ever made'' because its always about preferences. We are all different and what is a great game for me might be less interesting to others.
It would be a different story if we compare games by their tech and accomplishments achieved by maxing out potential of current tech. But even that would have different titles to be crowned with different years of release. TES V is being supported by the modding community to this date almost 12 years later with several tens of thousands mods and mod downloads counting in billions .
@@andreassk Oh wow my account really got banned...
Let's not forget the power of Bethesda's Radiant Systems to give life to these thousand worlds. Will Shen has said that they can populate a radiant location with entire *structures* and major events, which means that over time there could be an *accretion* of various radiant locations on the same planet.
So think of like this: when your character is level 1, every planet starts as a blank slate with maybe only a few permanent locations, say the average is 3 -- exploring into the dark would certainly feel rather lonely. But then everytime you initiate a quest, some planet somewhere gets populated with a Radiant Location. You then visit that planet, and other random locations and events begin populating as you explore it. Say you establish an Outpost, which then produces its own local radiant quests for things like rescuing kidnapped Settlers or whatever.
By the time you've fully explored the planet, it's gone from a barren wasteland with only 3 locations, to a bustling hive of activity with more than a dozen locations, filled with skirmishes and hidden bases and all sorts of intrigue.
Then multiply that by a thousand.
Look at Fallout 4 settlement system. So much potential only to become boring lagfest due to lobotomized AI, really bad pathfinding/navmesh, low effort and the entire game felt like it was about to crash at any given moment because worldcells couldn't handle certain areas. Especially around downtown.
Few of the most popular small mods (Scrap Everything/Spring Cleaning) are causing so many issues that creators of sim settlements even advised against using them even without use of SS mod.
Basically any mod that disables precombines can and will break worldcells and LODs (you might have seen this if you ever modded F4 and had weird 2D buildings popping out)
SF will suffer similar issues I am afraid since Bethesda didn't move on from Creation Engine.
And what's even worse is that this time it may not even take any mod to create a mess in world cells. I mean planets ? 1000 planets ? I hope I am wrong about this but I have a bad feeling....
I am not sure what would be worse - having some ground vehicles in a Bethesda game where most probably it would cause a lot of CTD while driving it or no ground vehicles at all so the game won't crash but you as a player walking the entire planet on foot.
@@andreassk I don't see how any of this pertains to Starfield. F4 is 8 years and a major engine overhaul ago. I think the fact that Creation 2 can render 1000 planets is a testament to its optimization.
As for drivable vehicles: horses, dragons, and Vertibirds don't go significantly faster than sprinting, so I don't expect Starfield to break the mold. Slower character speeds are simply less taxing on the engine. Do more with less.
@@botmes4044 It would take a lot of optimism for me to believe that any Creation Engine overhaul will make any difference. It is still a Gamebryo engine, the same as it was in TES 3. You might think that 8 years is a lot for a game developer and its tools to evolve but sadly Bethesda didn't. IDK for what reason they wont swap to a proper next gen engine. It's not about money I am sure.
Look what Unreal engine can do. Or unity. Look at what CIG managed to create in Star Citizen....those are some proper tools imo. BGS isn't even hiding these facts. AS Todd said - no loading free landing and game most probably being locked at 30 FPS for consoles.
My goal is not hating the game but to calm the hype that often leads to disappointment. Don't expect it to be the ultimate game of the games because it simply won't be. Though I am sure it will be a great game and if there isn't any major disaster (like with F76) it will be played for years to come and supported by countless mods. (hope its gonna be mods drama free this time)
@@andreassk No offense it's no just gamebryo, also ANY who says "move on from CE" doesn't know tech nor games.. If CE is so replaceable why hasn't ANYONE made a FO OR TES competitor??? Name another engine not named SlipSpace (343 industries engine which is only MP maps) that can do mods on console??
You guys seem to not understand UE is OLDER than CE by like 6 years, and YES let's look at what UE can do?? Not make a TES or FO competitor while being free and older... It LOOKS nice but has VERY limited interactivity, RPG ability even to this day is Mass Effect one.. I was hoping Avowed would do it but they actually use UE but it's with a in house engine plug in for the RPG mechanics so that doesn't count.. Yes besides visuals what CAN it do better than CE??? Do tell??
CIG took TWELVE YEAR'S to get the game to simply be stable and it STILL doesn't have a game let alone a game with a console version that's modable.. The fact your trying to criticize Bethesda yet show ANY type of praise for a company that's lied more than Todd Howard has in 5 games over 25 years.. Vs thier ONE game in a decade is honestly baffling.. Thier engines terrible, and basically sacrificed a game trying BUILD UP to the creation engine.. Why do you think NO companys made a "AAA RPG" to scale as they do?? Cause without CE the best RPG you'll get is Witcher 3.. Which is yes or no replies, no depth on NPCs, set characters, basically a Action Adventure game with "RPG elements"..
My guess is that Will Shen was speaking imprecisely. I believe that every planet is first procedurally generated. Then the planets are procedurally populated with various POIs. Then each planet is given special attention by the artists to handcraft them as needed. I highly doubt that your Kreet and my Kreet will be different. That would be very strange. Now the sim could be reactive. For example, if I join the Crimson Fleet and successfully do missions for them in a non-aligned area of space, then a byproduct of that could be a dynamically populated presence of the Crimson Fleet. That could be in the form of a pirate base appearing somewhere or maybe some shady characters appearing where there were none previously. But I doubt that Space FedEx is going to give you a mission to deliver medicine to some space orphanage on a desolate world and some village suddenly gets created on the fly where non had existed previously.
It's difficult to listen to you man. Your voice goes up and down at such strange times. Its not how regular people talk.
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