The entire Highgarden scene tells everything you need to know about the last seasons. Excellent camera work, brilliant acting, great music but extremely illogical writing
Also completely fucked up the castle. I know its just shown for a couple of seconds, but its just some random, normal looking castle on a hill. Highgarden is supposed to be an absolutely massive white castle, with incredibly high walls. This is the richest family aside from the Lannisters, and has been for literal millennia. Every castle of every major regional lord is either huge or something special, and you wanna tell me they just build a small castle on a little hill?
Scout: "Yes mam, the Lanniser have amassed a great army and are converging on Highgarden" Olenna: "So we are well fortified for a siege, we stick it out and wait for the dragonqueen, her army of cockless bastards and dothraki to relieve us?" Scout: "No mam" Olenna: "what do you mean no?" Scout: "Well mam, Jaime had the most badass rendition playing ot the rains of Castamere while marching down in an epic af shot towards the castle, so all we could do is open the gates and surrender and let them slaughter us" ........................................ Olenna: "Damn you d&d"
It was so awesome that at dusk an army of maybe 10,000 infantry plus 1,000 horse, with absolutely no siege towers, battering rams, ladders, or any other siege equipment, walked up to a city that has three layers of high walls and captured it before the sun finished setting. Meanwhile Riverrun, with its 2,000 man garrison, couldn't be taken with 30,000 lannister soldiers, thousands of bowmen, siege towers, trebuchets, and sappers digging tunnels without the prospect of enduring a 2 year siege. I guess Randyll Tarly had the skeleton key to unlock the layers of gates, whipped out heartsbane, and single-handedly slaughtered the whole garrison while they were either blinded by the sun gleaming off his shiny head or keeled over laughing that his son was named dick-on?
Hardly surprising that the infantry would travel faster than the baggage train. Siege equipment was probably still in transit. And who says it's the same day? That's an assumption on your part and isn't implied by what's shown.
@@hannotn olenna tyrell says it's the same day, and also tyrells had more than 5 thousand troops, and if I counted correct, lannisters has around 7 thousand. That was the worst written season i've ever seen, except the season 8 of course.
Sieges in history: *Setting up barricades, trenches, siege weapons, having siege engineers building rams and ladders to scale the walls, cutting all routes of escape and raising the nearby villages for supplies and demoralising the defenders within, all in the time span of months* Sieges in GOT: *"oh we just kinda marched in one morning and killed your defenders by tea time having no logistical supplies with us"*
I was just thinking, "why doesn't Olenna just escape" lol. Army that small approaching from one direction towards to continent's second largest capital...
Firstly, it's a series, and secondly, think, like, you're the creator of the series, are you willing to add extra money to make a few episodes of the castle siege.
Ah yes, a Lannister army in massive debt, who saw major losses in two wars. Wiped out a completely full strength House Tyrell and basically all of their Reach bannermen, who had completely control of food production in the seven kingdoms after the Riverrun was decimated in wars, in less time it too for Jaime to take a bath.
@mianin1879 they might as well not exist, and the story only works if you imagine they don't exist. But the biggest insult is that House Hightower and Houe Redwyne would ever flip for House Lannister. Leyton Hightower would be Daenery's biggest cheerleader in lopping the heads of everyone at kingslanding for what they did to his family, and House Tarly is not surviving with their seat sandwiched between Oldtown and Highgarden while their army is marching from Kingslanding.
@@tysonleblanc8862 Right, the families who have historically hated the lannisters, loved the Tyrells, and were directly involved with the management of the reach switched for a house they hated because "KHALEESHI A WUMNA?!?!? A WUMAN RULING DA 7 SEVEN KINGDOMS?!??!". That's such stupid writing.
Not to mention the writer made Highgarden a sorry ass castle on top of a will with no outer walls while in the books it's literally a impregnable fortress with a maze like garden. It's even more hilarious they all did that without siege engines as if the Tyrells fought outside of their walls and leave their gates open. Oh wait nvm the writers would actually prefer them fighting outside the walls LMFAO
Yes Just look at the castle on top of a hill surrounded by boulders. The castle walls are high. The castle itself is large. The lanisters would need 5X more men than Highgarden to breach those walls. That castle easily has enough food stored to last them 4-6 months to outlast a siege. That was common practice in those days to store enough food to outlast sieges. Riverrun had 12 months worth of food. Highgarden was the wealthiest lands in all westeros and most of that wealth came from food they shared with everyone. This was very poorly written. Even if the lanisters won it would have cost them many many men.
@@eduardomaldonado1647 the usual ratio is more like 13 20xtimes the defenders so even with 1000 highgarden soldiers manning the walls the lannisters would have needed 15-20k to siege it down without a breach
So I understand the Lannister Army is powerful but didn’t they lose like a third of their forces to the Starks? And I understand the Tarly’s are the Reach’s finest soldiers and leaders but does their loss really mean that the Reach’s army of 100k is now completely outmanned? Should be like 55k Lannister-Tarly forces against 70k Tyrell forces. Perhaps a victory for the Lannister’s regardless but surely a pyrrhic one, not a walk in the park? I guess D and D forgot the original power levels of the houses and the events of the previous couple seasons like Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet.
I’m not sure about the numbers but I think you can compare it to Robert Baratheon’s army during the trident even though they were outnumbered the were already battle hardened from other battles and that gave them the edge over the Targaryen army. It probably works out the same the with the Lannister army having fought more than the Tyrells at this point.
The show makes it look like they took the castle in a day without any siege equipment…There is no way especially for a castle with so much high ground.
@@kakarrot15 even if that were the case they had a castle to defend from, which means the enemy no matter how experienced will need siege engines and a 3 to 1 numbers advantage to overcome it in a fight, otherwise it will become a long siege, which also didn’t happen.
I think if I remembered correctly, it was stated that the Tarly’s are the prominent banner house under the Tyrell and is known to produce the very finest soldiers within the Reach. Add that to the lost of Tyrell’s main army & family members when the Great Sept of Baelor exploded. By then the Tyrell are taking so many losses and has greatly reduced morale so I guess they are not fighting as well as they could or could be Olenna herself wishes not to put up a fight as she lost hope when all her family members died.
Visited the castle today, it was awesome. Recognized everything, almost everything is intact. The flags of house Lannister and Tyrell wave proudly at the entrance.
@@millennialpeter6807 Olena stopped giving food to the Lannisters ages ago and also not all of their soldiers were loyal to the Lannisters most were still loyal to them this was just bad writing
@@Duhehejeh man Tarly was the most loyal family and when they went to the Lannisters I think other houses were also swore their allegiance to Lannisters.And after the last Gardener king died Aegon made tyrells warden of reach. Most house disliked it cause Tyrells were no noble house but steward of house Gardener.So yeah basically nobody from reach loved them much.But yeah the bad writing was that the Lannisters didn't brought any siege item.
Its name is "A Lion's Legacy". And the credits soundtrack of this episode is "The Queen's Justice". Here is the mix of both soundtracks ruclips.net/video/DMFR-Q3NXe8/видео.html
Yet he wasn't qualified to succeed him. Jaime was too weak toward love to lead lannisters. Tyrion was a chad, and was weak towards love too but he learned the lesson and became a giga chad after he sacrifised his love.
You know, Robb's plan worked because he ditched his infantry and relied on only his calvary to defeat Jaime. It worked because he moved too fast be reliably tracked, and the Blackfish did a great job of killing scouts before they got spotted. This "trick" makes no sense. Jaime would've been found out immediately.
@@LostMyGoatsAgain Randyll was mobilizing his army to meet at highgarden, he probably emptied highgarden of its forces sent them elsewhere, and had people on the inside to open the gates, he was the ranking general and commander for any reach force, olenna would have no reason to be suspicious of him marching his men to highgarden, like i said they may have just switched in to their lannister armour near, so as to not get mixed up with the tyrells, even randylls troops were in lannister attire, it's not that difficult when its randyll that orchastrated it, its not a long march. The mongols would send people to cities for a decade to know it inside and out, and its capabilities before attacking, randyll knows highgardens capabilities, its weaknesses, he would have probably had men in there 'to defend it incase of a flanking maneovre'
@@WhySoSerious551 You literally proved yourself wrong, because they see the Lannister army from miles away. Therefore, Randyll would be shown as a traitor, any men he had sent inside would be butchered and the gates sealed. Stop trying to explain for stupid writers, it’s just bad.
@@WhySoSerious551 Olenna is well aware that Randyll answer the call of Cercei and went to King's ladning. She is no fool, she knew that Randyll betrayed her way before he came to Highgarden
@@MorallyDubiousFrogIf their helmet blinds them when they wear then it's a poorly designed helmet. Proper medieval helmets had a surprisingly good field of view while offering maximum protection.
Выдающийся драматизм сцены. Музыка, войско, Оленна Тиррелл, понявшая, что это конец, и камера, следующая за генералом, входящим в захваченный замок. Так наверно даже лучше, чем если бы была сцена осады. Рамин Джавади проделал невероятную работу. Наверное один из самых запомнившихся моментов сериала.
This is just bad writting . There is no way this big lannister army arrives highgarden without knowing them . They had hundreds of houses loyal to them and thousands of scouts across the Reach . Tyrells had plenty of time to send a raven to daenerys . Even if they didn't knew about them coming to attack , tyrells still could have hold the castle for few days at least until daenerys arrives with drogon to rescue the castle just like she goes to rescue jon . Because they don't need a big army to hold a castle .
Sorry but how did they tyrells lose so easily? They have literally 100 000 men at their disposal, I get that the tarlys turned on them, so let's say they lost a good 5th of their fighting force, they still have a massive number of bannermen
Dont forget that the last season were nonsense, but we can admit that the Tyrell have rallied the others lords of the reach with them and the lannisters
Their banners are 100k strong not Highgarden itself. This was a surprise attack and they were not prepared. Still, no one can justify the fact that this was stupid. The Lannisters marched all the way to Highgarden and not a single person warned the Tyrells. Not to mention that the Lannisters had no siege weapons and they still were able to occupy Highgarden, one of the biggest castles in Westeros, in a day. Epic scene and music though 😅
A lot of the reaches army turned on them. Plus they really didn't expect it, their forces were not united and they were not ready to face such a big force.
@@claydee7092 Dont forget that Olenna was present at Danys war council on Dragon Stone , an Isle not so far away from the shores of Kings Landing. She had to pass Kings Landing on her travel home to Highgarden.
One thing that season 7 did not disappoint in was the camera work. Those shots of the army marching, Olenna watching, and Jaime walking thru the wreckage after were fantastic.
so the highgarden has the most wealth of all westeors and can't even make an army that could hold the lannisters for day or two even with a well defended position ?
@Deepak Karnadhar honestly, I have no idea how the dothraki even landed in westeros. There is no way they could have landed in the stormlands and if they landed in dorne, god knows how they were able to intercept Jamie's forces on the kingsroad.
@Deepak Karnadhar Yup, plus Dany has three dragons and Lannisters do not have effective counter-dragon measure at that point (Scorpion has not been widely implemented). So Jamie's "surprise match" on a plain with an army composed of mostly infantry (which by definition is a force lacking mobility) should be a theoretically impossible in the very first place, provided one take advantage of dragons' air supremacy. All it takes is just to regularly fly over castle rock and take a look. Because the show let it happen, it is really dumb.
@@Kiviyt312 Show got dumber true. Sieges like this don’t happen in Game of Thrones. Even small castles takes a while. A top tier house like Highgarden would take half of Westeros to lay siege on it. It would even take months to move armies, plan the siege, and lay the siege. Large scale troop movements in the books isn’t as organized as this. It’s a chaotic train of humans that leaves destruction at its trail. Disease, wastes, pillaging, rape, and natural resources are plundered. It was subtlety described in the books.
It wasn't treachery, he said himself he wouldn't join hands with a foreigner and her whole foreign army who didn't belong to Westeros. He was a proud knight true to his words maybe not a very good father for Sam but I had respect for him for his decision and not being a coward. He also was the last person who surrendered to Robert baratheon and fought till all the houses surrendered.
I love how in this scene they showed the lannister forces at their peak. How they tore down the tyrells with ease. Then in the same day were totally annihilated. It brings you back to something tywin told arya stark in season 2, aegon changed the rules with dragons
@Xizo Firstly, how do you expect them to push a siege tower and rams with all of that forest in the way? It's the same as the moat of Riverrun. Not excusing the generally poor writing in the show, but the Tarly's could easily have convinced a few of the Tyrell's to open up the gates and let them in, since they fought with the Tyrrell's for a long time. Secondly, the Tarly's had the highest quality of battle hardened men in Westeros, and were the most important/numerous bannermen for House Tyrell. Randall was the cause of Robert's only defeat in the whole rebellion. Morale is one of the most significant factors as shown in history, especially for an untrained garrison who have never seen battle. Seeing what was supposed to be your dependable, steadfast allies coming at you? Yeah, no. Thirdly, House Tyrell literally only had Olenna. They saw the Lannister's coming for days but how many bannermen saw the Tyrell's as a lost cause? No Mace, Margaery, or Loras, the elite knights escorting Mace in King's Landing died, and again, the Tarly's defected - who really wanted to come to aid Highgarden?
@Xizo The Lannisters and Frey's didn't seige riverun. Just the Freys. And they don't resort to storming the castle because they defeat Blackfish through subterfuge using edmure. And no siege weapons would be in the march shot because siege towers, trebuchets etc are assembled on location not carried to the siege, and you wouldn't see ladders in such a large scale shot. You also don't see the traveling caravan of peasants that followed medieval armies, or the wagons of food water and supplies.
They could have easily made this scene more believable by showing that some of the soldiers inside the castle were secretly with the Tarlys and they pretty much started attacking the other loyal soldiers in the castle and let the Lannisters and other Tarly's in the castle. Like the Red wedding 2.0.
Literally the largest army in Westeros defeated by infantry with no siege towers in a matter of hours. This fight would have arguably been just as difficult if not more so than the war against the North.
0:56 the Rains of Castamere(lannister's family song) playing as Jamie enters is just sheer goosebumps and a powerplay. They might have messed up the story so much, but Music and severals scenes were done so well..
Man, it was so smart of Jaime to attack just before Highgarden closed its gates for the night. Any later and they wouldve had to, idk, besiege them or something. Phew, close one.
This was one of the dumbest scenes ever. Highgarden can field 100,000 men in a total war against the other great houses. You are telling me they are just going to give up and let the Lannisters take everything?
But high garden needs it’s lords to get the troops all of high gardens banner men swore loyalties to the crown and new queen. Only those loyal to House Tyrell fought hence why it was easy but still lazy writing 😂😂
It's funny how highgarden has the most number in army and yet still lost within a day. Lol pretty sure even Theon hold off winterfell longer than that.
This is a pretty cool scene in the series, but it also makes so little sense. For one thing, it’s impossible to march an army of that size through the countryside without word of it getting to the castle beforehand. For another, a castle like that would be impossible to take so quickly (Olenna even says it was in a single day), especially without siege equipment. That siege would’ve lasted months or years, and the Tyrells probably had enough grain to last years, giving the Unsullied plenty of time to follow the Lannisters south and attack them mid-siege.
The biggest stupidity was that the reach has the upper hand. More men, controls the food, lannister army lost many men in war of the five kings too, So how the f did they win the siege of reach?
I could buy maybe Jaime wanting to raid the Reach countryside and seize supplies that way, but good lord this attack on highgarden doesnt make sense. @@bait5257
@@afriendlycadian9857 the Dothraki strenght is its mobility, in open field they just would win any fight that doesnt involve something unbeatable for infantry, like fortresses or navy, the Lannister would have won easily if they used the castle they just earned to defend themselves, but they understimated the situation in a stupid matter. Probably if this was made when this show was still good written, the Lannister would have used Highgarden’s cadtle to defend the position and ballistas to take out Drogon, maybe with some difficulty but they could kill Dany. If Tywin was alive he would have thought some kind of plan or alike and would have beaten Daenerys, after all… most of her strategy consists in attacking blindy with cavalry and her dragons, a good tactician would have used her stupidity at his advantage, but Jamie simply becomes an idiot after S6
Highgarden was called highgarden for a reason. And thats because the walls are very high. Just place thousands of archers shooting and raining arrows at the charging lannister army Im pretty ure thousands would die. 🤔 yet they looked almost unscathed after the battle. Plus it took what? Only 3 hours?
Not much to be honest, he’s cool and he’s good with a sword in hand, but he’s a shitty tactician. He walked up to a fortress, with infantry and cavalry, he had no siege piece or anything alike. Even the formation of the army is pretty useless. After he took that huge castle super defendable, he just thought of making his army’s outpost in an open field, without having scouts maintaining a perimeter of defense. His army wasn’t ready an he had no ballistas to fight dragons, he’s up against a girl with he hugest dragon anyone ever seen in 300 years and he decided to not care about it at all. He’s cool like Tywin but all his brain power went to Tyrion
@@frozenllama23 the unsullied were across the kingdoms, the only reason Danny made it there in time to catch up is because she had a dragon, dothraki are mounted and plot armor. The dothraki would would have never defeated the Lannister army without the help of a dragon, their swords can't even penetrate armor, while wearing 0 armor themselves
0:03 I always find it funny how the march like this. Imagine watching an army getting into formation in little ass steps. I crack up and then tell my men to decimate them with a volley of arrows.
I really like those shots of Jaime from behind. They do it a few times in the show, with Ned Stark in season one and again with the Blackfish in season 6
While playing a GoT mod for Medieval 2: Total War I understand now how this can happen. So I played the main campaign as Stannis, after defeating Renly I absorbed the Stormlands. While some of my troops advance westward, I sailed Stannis and his army at the southwest coast of Reach. Captured Oldtown, and continued capturing settlements until I reached Highgarden. There was an encamped army outside the castle, which I attacked. The garrison and reinforcements sallied out. With shrewd tactics Stannis won against an army twice the size of his'. All routing enemy men were chased down and captured. None were left to retreat to Highgarden. So I marched my army in formation to simply occupy the castle, just as shown.
A siege like that would’ve taken YEARS more than enough time for Daenerys to show up with her three dragons and destroy this army in fire… sometimes this writing really does get to me
Unsullied never met the main Lannister force in the field, Robb Stark never fought the main lannister force in the field, at oxcross he beat a reserve force under ser Stafford and at whispering woods he ambushed 5k lannister horse men under Jaime's command. The Northern army was crushed in the battle for Winterfell and only saved by a mass cavalry charge from the knights of the vale, the Boltons had virtually annihilated the Stark army, and they only had about 2000 more men. The Lannister army at various times had anywhere from 40k- 12k. Where as Jon Snow's army only ever had maybe 4-5000 men. Also you need to consider all of the Lannister Garrisons during the war of the 5 kings. a large garrison was at Kingslanding, another large one at casterly rock, 1 at harrenhal, untill they abandoned it, Clegan's band of 500 men, and countless more most likely. Plus the force that had seiged River run while jaime was ambushed at whispering woods was then routed as well in an ambush battle. My point is, that if the Stark force ever fought the main Lannister army in the field they would get crushed. As for daenerys army well if you discount the dragoons which is the original comments point, I think the Lannisters would win. 6k unsullied because there is no way that zero died in slavers bay and the assult on Casterly Rock, plus probs like 2-4k unsullied MAX could defeat the 12k-40k lannister army, I think is season 7 its around like 12-15k. The lannisters have more men plus experienced officers and men who had just fought the war of the 5 kings. The unsullied only had experience fighting a small Lannister garrison at Casterly Rock and they got punished for it, and in slavers bay they had only fought light infantry.
Jaime would never get the Lannister army moving against an enemy in the field, never mind one behind walls, unless the soldiers knew they have an element of surprise and outnumbered the foe. That's the only way Lannister soldiers know how to fight. See: Jaime's fight with Ned Stark in King's Landing streets, the courtroom slaughter and the subsequent massacre of the Stark household, the implied battles between The Mountain That Rides & the Lannister forces versus Robb's ever dwindling army leading up to the Red Wedding.....
everyone is saying how great Jaime is and all that but no one is talking how they conveniently shrunk Highgarden to a small country chateau. Let's not forget the sudden stupidity of the entirety of Dany's council consisting of the "smartest" people in Westeros, the sheer stupidity of how Cersei got the Tarlys on their side, with a meeting with all the lords of the reach that are supposed to be in open rebellion against the crown in Kings landing which would risk them all getting slaughtered, and the 0 consequence Cersei suffered for blowing up the Sept.
@@Nrzpokrter because that's not how Highgarden is supposed to looks , it's a huge castle on a big hill surrounded by several outer walls and a giant hedge maze between them. There's a big sept and a gods wood. Its described as a pleasure palace but that doesn't mean its not a strong fortress. Furthermore they can withstand a long siege, given the fact that they have most of the food , enough to wait for reinforcement atleast . The castle is conveniently reduced to a joke in the show.
Yeah it's like if let's say Canada blew up the Vatican and everyone was just like "meh" At the end of season 6 we see everyone hate that Cersei is on the thrones yet literally nothing comes of that. And the fact that Randyll Tarly joins Cersei in the show is the dumbest thing imaginable. Randall is very religious in the books. He cut off seven fingers from a thief who stole from the faith. Imagine what he'd do if someone blew up the Sept of Baelor. He'd do a full on crusade against the Lannisters.
I mean from what Ive read i thought highgarden have walls that increase in height as they go inside and have maze of garden to confuse enemies? Was it that easy to conquer it than Blackfish’s castle? Im saying this cos I recently got into GOT series and reached this episode, also I love Lady Olenna so I expected more of a difficulty conquering her proud house at Highgarden. Guess it was that easy 😢😮
Tyrell has 2 Advantage A Castle, and more Soldiers I don't know why the plot armor is so thick in this series. if the scenario happen in real life after Joffrey poisoned it only led them to the their trap Lannister will attack first, losing lot of soldiers due the high defense of Tyrell Castle and Tyrell will counter attack & repel the attack.
Would have been pretty cool if they actually made the long night the climax battle. And the lannister army actually came marching to aid winterfell in the fight for the living.
The real castle of highgarden is in Spain and I visited it myself, feels so weird to see that every hallway etc that jaime goes trough, I have been trough myself haha
The entire Highgarden scene tells everything you need to know about the last seasons. Excellent camera work, brilliant acting, great music but extremely illogical writing
I guess they kind of forgot to write
Costumes were slipping too.
They thought they'd get to make a star wars movie so they rushed it
Also completely fucked up the castle. I know its just shown for a couple of seconds, but its just some random, normal looking castle on a hill. Highgarden is supposed to be an absolutely massive white castle, with incredibly high walls. This is the richest family aside from the Lannisters, and has been for literal millennia. Every castle of every major regional lord is either huge or something special, and you wanna tell me they just build a small castle on a little hill?
@@gamm8939 Well, did you see what passed for Casterly Rock?
It's such a simple camera shot, but that scene of Jaime walking through the battle wreckage is absolutely awesome.
0:07 I would love to see the Golden army take on these guys in a fight.
And the rains of castamere theme in the background 🔥🔥
@@kodesh1674 bro its literaly just called the golden company how fucking hard is it to remember..
@@extrage3061 My man's talking about the Golden Army from Hellboy🤖
@@extrage3061 why u so angry
Scout: "Yes mam, the Lanniser have amassed a great army and are converging on Highgarden"
Olenna: "So we are well fortified for a siege, we stick it out and wait for the dragonqueen, her army of cockless bastards and dothraki to relieve us?"
Scout: "No mam"
Olenna: "what do you mean no?"
Scout: "Well mam, Jaime had the most badass rendition playing ot the rains of Castamere while marching down in an epic af shot towards the castle, so all we could do is open the gates and surrender and let them slaughter us"
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Olenna: "Damn you d&d"
Lol.
I guess they kind of forgot to fight
The Tyrell’s kinda forgot they had the largest army in the realm
PERFECTION
@@finnyishere3532not alone. Majority of their army were Hightowers, Tarlys and Redwnys.
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It was so awesome that at dusk an army of maybe 10,000 infantry plus 1,000 horse, with absolutely no siege towers, battering rams, ladders, or any other siege equipment, walked up to a city that has three layers of high walls and captured it before the sun finished setting. Meanwhile Riverrun, with its 2,000 man garrison, couldn't be taken with 30,000 lannister soldiers, thousands of bowmen, siege towers, trebuchets, and sappers digging tunnels without the prospect of enduring a 2 year siege. I guess Randyll Tarly had the skeleton key to unlock the layers of gates, whipped out heartsbane, and single-handedly slaughtered the whole garrison while they were either blinded by the sun gleaming off his shiny head or keeled over laughing that his son was named dick-on?
Hardly surprising that the infantry would travel faster than the baggage train. Siege equipment was probably still in transit. And who says it's the same day? That's an assumption on your part and isn't implied by what's shown.
@@hannotn olenna tyrell says it's the same day, and also tyrells had more than 5 thousand troops, and if I counted correct, lannisters has around 7 thousand. That was the worst written season i've ever seen, except the season 8 of course.
@@ottovonbismarck7742 completely agree, lazy writing, no consistency or reflection on what would of actually happened.
@@hannotn All your questions are so stupid that they are even offensive.
Yep, absolutely spectacular 💀
The OST synced with the Lannister army marching is a great touch.
Sieges in history: *Setting up barricades, trenches, siege weapons, having siege engineers building rams and ladders to scale the walls, cutting all routes of escape and raising the nearby villages for supplies and demoralising the defenders within, all in the time span of months*
Sieges in GOT: *"oh we just kinda marched in one morning and killed your defenders by tea time having no logistical supplies with us"*
I was just thinking, "why doesn't Olenna just escape" lol. Army that small approaching from one direction towards to continent's second largest capital...
@@liberphilosophus7481 Highgarden isn't the second largest. Its either Lannisport or Oldtown.
@@liberphilosophus7481 Highgarden is a castle, not city ):
Firstly, it's a series, and secondly, think, like, you're the creator of the series, are you willing to add extra money to make a few episodes of the castle siege.
I think they have the big crossbow so with that help they can break their gates
I'm here only for the soundtrack *-*
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So you guys are not here for the battle that took place between the Lannisters and the Highgarden army?
The Lannister army looks so badass
It does indeed
They look like a version of the Roman army.
pixel wortel more like medieval England
@@longbowenjoyer2154 more like Byzantium
they march like the telmarines
Ah yes, a Lannister army in massive debt, who saw major losses in two wars. Wiped out a completely full strength House Tyrell and basically all of their Reach bannermen, who had completely control of food production in the seven kingdoms after the Riverrun was decimated in wars, in less time it too for Jaime to take a bath.
All the bannerman and houses were with the lannisters now...did you not watch 😂
@@tysonleblanc8862Houses Hightower, Redwyne, Fossoway, Rowan, Florent, Ashford and others were with lannisters?
@mianin1879 they might as well not exist, and the story only works if you imagine they don't exist. But the biggest insult is that House Hightower and Houe Redwyne would ever flip for House Lannister. Leyton Hightower would be Daenery's biggest cheerleader in lopping the heads of everyone at kingslanding for what they did to his family, and House Tarly is not surviving with their seat sandwiched between Oldtown and Highgarden while their army is marching from Kingslanding.
@@tysonleblanc8862 Right, the families who have historically hated the lannisters, loved the Tyrells, and were directly involved with the management of the reach switched for a house they hated because "KHALEESHI A WUMNA?!?!? A WUMAN RULING DA 7 SEVEN KINGDOMS?!??!". That's such stupid writing.
Not to mention the writer made Highgarden a sorry ass castle on top of a will with no outer walls while in the books it's literally a impregnable fortress with a maze like garden. It's even more hilarious they all did that without siege engines as if the Tyrells fought outside of their walls and leave their gates open. Oh wait nvm the writers would actually prefer them fighting outside the walls LMFAO
HighGarden and the Tyrells got no justice in the show , they are invincible in the books
Same for the Martells
Yes Just look at the castle on top of a hill surrounded by boulders. The castle walls are high. The castle itself is large. The lanisters would need 5X more men than Highgarden to breach those walls. That castle easily has enough food stored to last them 4-6 months to outlast a siege. That was common practice in those days to store enough food to outlast sieges. Riverrun had 12 months worth of food. Highgarden was the wealthiest lands in all westeros and most of that wealth came from food they shared with everyone. This was very poorly written. Even if the lanisters won it would have cost them many many men.
@@eduardomaldonado1647 It's even hilarious that some people are still defending this type of horrible writing
@@eduardomaldonado1647 the usual ratio is more like 13 20xtimes the defenders so even with 1000 highgarden soldiers manning the walls the lannisters would have needed 15-20k to siege it down without a breach
I think Euron is going to mess them up in Winds
Love how the entire Lannister army managed to teleport to HIghgarden with no one finding out.
"And now the rains weep o'er his halls
With no one there to hear..."
Her* in this case
And si she spoke and so she spoke the lady of highgarden
When you play England in Total War with the "add_money" cheat.
😂
So I understand the Lannister Army is powerful but didn’t they lose like a third of their forces to the Starks? And I understand the Tarly’s are the Reach’s finest soldiers and leaders but does their loss really mean that the Reach’s army of 100k is now completely outmanned?
Should be like 55k Lannister-Tarly forces against 70k Tyrell forces. Perhaps a victory for the Lannister’s regardless but surely a pyrrhic one, not a walk in the park?
I guess D and D forgot the original power levels of the houses and the events of the previous couple seasons like Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet.
I’m not sure about the numbers but I think you can compare it to Robert Baratheon’s army during the trident even though they were outnumbered the were already battle hardened from other battles and that gave them the edge over the Targaryen army. It probably works out the same the with the Lannister army having fought more than the Tyrells at this point.
The show makes it look like they took the castle in a day without any siege equipment…There is no way especially for a castle with so much high ground.
@@kakarrot15 even if that were the case they had a castle to defend from, which means the enemy no matter how experienced will need siege engines and a 3 to 1 numbers advantage to overcome it in a fight, otherwise it will become a long siege, which also didn’t happen.
I think if I remembered correctly, it was stated that the Tarly’s are the prominent banner house under the Tyrell and is known to produce the very finest soldiers within the Reach.
Add that to the lost of Tyrell’s main army & family members when the Great Sept of Baelor exploded.
By then the Tyrell are taking so many losses and has greatly reduced morale so I guess they are not fighting as well as they could or could be Olenna herself wishes not to put up a fight as she lost hope when all her family members died.
Yeah the Tyrells would wreck what's left of the lannister army
Visited the castle today, it was awesome. Recognized everything, almost everything is intact.
The flags of house Lannister and Tyrell wave proudly at the entrance.
Where is that?
@@wintersoldier1387 Castillo Almodovar del Rio, Spain.
@@murdoch201 Wonderful, thank you very much.
I hope Bronn is living there?
They look like a mix between Medieval European men at arms, Roman legionaries, and feudal Japanese ashigaru
Not gonna lie. Lannister army looks badass with their retractable helmet masks and armor
Except for that one dude at 0:14. He needs to go fetch the helmet stretcher
@@Jgothman how long before he figures it out
What happened to high garden's army? And why did high garden fall so fast? It was supposed to be an impressive castle.
highgarden was not known for their impregnable castle but for their large Army but their bannermans were already convinced to fight for the crown
And they had no enough food for a siege since they already gave lot of their food to the crown
@@millennialpeter6807 thanks
@@millennialpeter6807 Olena stopped giving food to the Lannisters ages ago and also not all of their soldiers were loyal to the Lannisters most were still loyal to them this was just bad writing
@@Duhehejeh man Tarly was the most loyal family and when they went to the Lannisters I think other houses were also swore their allegiance to Lannisters.And after the last Gardener king died Aegon made tyrells warden of reach. Most house disliked it cause Tyrells were no noble house but steward of house Gardener.So yeah basically nobody from reach loved them much.But yeah the bad writing was that the Lannisters didn't brought any siege item.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looked like the Lannnisters didn't bring ANY siege weapons.
The parts would be in supply wagons and assembled quickly
ciaranbrk
Weres the wagons and they were way too close to the cassle
@@eduardorodriguezvazquez5120 really bad writing. The show died After season 4.
Lannisters only need a bard.
DjembeSauce ah you forget this is post season 6 where logic and good writing have long since been abandoned
The soundtraaaack. A house in decline, but still has teeth.
The ost doesn't sound the same without the marching. Adds so much.
whats the name of the song?
Its name is "A Lion's Legacy". And the credits soundtrack of this episode is "The Queen's Justice". Here is the mix of both soundtracks ruclips.net/video/DMFR-Q3NXe8/видео.html
@@i7super192 Thanks! It's not the same lol.
@@divinodayacap3313 The rains of castamere
Honestly, I was surprised it was so easy and quick.
Plot hole armor
One of my favorite scenes of this season. So simple yet so effective. Tywin would be proud of Jamie.
Always was, but too proud to admit it, Jaime was his golden boy
@@wpalmer16 so was Tyrion each child had pieces of him
Yet he wasn't qualified to succeed him. Jaime was too weak toward love to lead lannisters. Tyrion was a chad, and was weak towards love too but he learned the lesson and became a giga chad after he sacrifised his love.
@@wpalmer16 Actually tywin never wanted his son to be in the king's guard, It was the mad king who puts him to anger tywin
dumbest scene in the show
You know, Robb's plan worked because he ditched his infantry and relied on only his calvary to defeat Jaime. It worked because he moved too fast be reliably tracked, and the Blackfish did a great job of killing scouts before they got spotted.
This "trick" makes no sense. Jaime would've been found out immediately.
Randyl tarly marched them through as his army, they only stuck their armour on when they approached highgarden
@@WhySoSerious551 armies dont just walk around without reason. so a "friendly" army marching on highgarden would be as suspicious as a hostile one
@@LostMyGoatsAgain Randyll was mobilizing his army to meet at highgarden, he probably emptied highgarden of its forces sent them elsewhere, and had people on the inside to open the gates, he was the ranking general and commander for any reach force, olenna would have no reason to be suspicious of him marching his men to highgarden, like i said they may have just switched in to their lannister armour near, so as to not get mixed up with the tyrells, even randylls troops were in lannister attire, it's not that difficult when its randyll that orchastrated it, its not a long march. The mongols would send people to cities for a decade to know it inside and out, and its capabilities before attacking, randyll knows highgardens capabilities, its weaknesses, he would have probably had men in there 'to defend it incase of a flanking maneovre'
@@WhySoSerious551 You literally proved yourself wrong, because they see the Lannister army from miles away. Therefore, Randyll would be shown as a traitor, any men he had sent inside would be butchered and the gates sealed. Stop trying to explain for stupid writers, it’s just bad.
@@WhySoSerious551 Olenna is well aware that Randyll answer the call of Cercei and went to King's ladning. She is no fool, she knew that Randyll betrayed her way before he came to Highgarden
0:14 The proudest army in Westeros could not put their helmets properly
No, that’s in purpose. If their helmet blinds them then they can’t see the enemy and get scared. Just like the hit film Dracula Untold.
@@MorallyDubiousFrogIf their helmet blinds them when they wear then it's a poorly designed helmet. Proper medieval helmets had a surprisingly good field of view while offering maximum protection.
@@MrJames1034You seem unable to detect sarcasm
Nice to see that Highgarden, which is famed for being fertile farmland, is not, in fact, surrounded by farmland.
Jamie really pressed auto resolve like it was a total war game
From sound to jaime walking to ollena is epic
How they took high garden with 10k men and no siege weapon but a majestic marche 😂
Who said there was no siege weapons? They just didn't show it.
@@Xerrand Who said that Varys and Tyrion didnt have any good desicions in last season? They just didn't show it.
@@lilnugget1188 lol, thats pretty different but I like it
Выдающийся драматизм сцены. Музыка, войско, Оленна Тиррелл, понявшая, что это конец, и камера, следующая за генералом, входящим в захваченный замок. Так наверно даже лучше, чем если бы была сцена осады. Рамин Джавади проделал невероятную работу. Наверное один из самых запомнившихся моментов сериала.
This is just bad writting . There is no way this big lannister army arrives highgarden without knowing them . They had hundreds of houses loyal to them and thousands of scouts across the Reach . Tyrells had plenty of time to send a raven to daenerys . Even if they didn't knew about them coming to attack , tyrells still could have hold the castle for few days at least until daenerys arrives with drogon to rescue the castle just like she goes to rescue jon . Because they don't need a big army to hold a castle .
of course but you always have that kind of mistakes in series... after that it is worse...
Sorry but how did they tyrells lose so easily? They have literally 100 000 men at their disposal, I get that the tarlys turned on them, so let's say they lost a good 5th of their fighting force, they still have a massive number of bannermen
Dont forget that the last season were nonsense, but we can admit that the Tyrell have rallied the others lords of the reach with them and the lannisters
Their banners are 100k strong not Highgarden itself. This was a surprise attack and they were not prepared. Still, no one can justify the fact that this was stupid. The Lannisters marched all the way to Highgarden and not a single person warned the Tyrells. Not to mention that the Lannisters had no siege weapons and they still were able to occupy Highgarden, one of the biggest castles in Westeros, in a day. Epic scene and music though 😅
Because of tarly
A lot of the reaches army turned on them. Plus they really didn't expect it, their forces were not united and they were not ready to face such a big force.
@@claydee7092 Dont forget that Olenna was present at Danys war council on Dragon Stone , an Isle not so far away from the shores of Kings Landing. She had to pass Kings Landing on her travel home to Highgarden.
Did they just open the door and walked right in? Lmao
there are at least 100 miles from Casterly Rock to Highgarden, yet no one saw the Lannister army traveling, and no banner men are summoned, WTF D&D?
Got absolute chills when the Rains of Castamere theme hits at :55
Jesus Christ what a fantastic scene, if you can ignore everything but the scene.
LORD Jesus Christ
Jaime’s walk with rain of castamere still gives me goosebumps. who’s watching in 2023?
I'm still trying to understand what went wrong in the finale.
One thing that season 7 did not disappoint in was the camera work. Those shots of the army marching, Olenna watching, and Jaime walking thru the wreckage after were fantastic.
so the highgarden has the most wealth of all westeors and can't even make an army that could hold the lannisters for day or two even with a well defended position ?
The Army of Highgarden was actually with Dany. They never thought Jamie would attack Highgarden. They planned to meet his forces in casterly rock.
@Deepak Karnadhar honestly, I have no idea how the dothraki even landed in westeros. There is no way they could have landed in the stormlands and if they landed in dorne, god knows how they were able to intercept Jamie's forces on the kingsroad.
@Deepak Karnadhar I'll admit it Dumb and Dumber got dumber at the end.
@Deepak Karnadhar Yup, plus Dany has three dragons and Lannisters do not have effective counter-dragon measure at that point (Scorpion has not been widely implemented). So Jamie's "surprise match" on a plain with an army composed of mostly infantry (which by definition is a force lacking mobility) should be a theoretically impossible in the very first place, provided one take advantage of dragons' air supremacy. All it takes is just to regularly fly over castle rock and take a look. Because the show let it happen, it is really dumb.
@@Kiviyt312 Show got dumber true. Sieges like this don’t happen in Game of Thrones. Even small castles takes a while. A top tier house like Highgarden would take half of Westeros to lay siege on it. It would even take months to move armies, plan the siege, and lay the siege.
Large scale troop movements in the books isn’t as organized as this. It’s a chaotic train of humans that leaves destruction at its trail. Disease, wastes, pillaging, rape, and natural resources are plundered. It was subtlety described in the books.
They really needed to add some Western houses, the whole army wasn't Lannister only soldiers
Randyll Tarly has the most badass looking horse.
Indeed
I thought Randyll Tarly was a man of honour and he wouldn't stab his house lord in the back. Eventually he and his son paid the price of treachery.
It wasn't treachery, he said himself he wouldn't join hands with a foreigner and her whole foreign army who didn't belong to Westeros. He was a proud knight true to his words maybe not a very good father for Sam but I had respect for him for his decision and not being a coward. He also was the last person who surrendered to Robert baratheon and fought till all the houses surrendered.
I love how in this scene they showed the lannister forces at their peak. How they tore down the tyrells with ease. Then in the same day were totally annihilated. It brings you back to something tywin told arya stark in season 2, aegon changed the rules with dragons
Lol. It was more stupid than Season 8
It is Aegon who is being robbed. He is the first born son of the King.
@Xizo Firstly, how do you expect them to push a siege tower and rams with all of that forest in the way? It's the same as the moat of Riverrun. Not excusing the generally poor writing in the show, but the Tarly's could easily have convinced a few of the Tyrell's to open up the gates and let them in, since they fought with the Tyrrell's for a long time.
Secondly, the Tarly's had the highest quality of battle hardened men in Westeros, and were the most important/numerous bannermen for House Tyrell. Randall was the cause of Robert's only defeat in the whole rebellion. Morale is one of the most significant factors as shown in history, especially for an untrained garrison who have never seen battle. Seeing what was supposed to be your dependable, steadfast allies coming at you? Yeah, no.
Thirdly, House Tyrell literally only had Olenna. They saw the Lannister's coming for days but how many bannermen saw the Tyrell's as a lost cause? No Mace, Margaery, or Loras, the elite knights escorting Mace in King's Landing died, and again, the Tarly's defected - who really wanted to come to aid Highgarden?
Lannisters slaughtered their entire house like Tywin did to House Reyne. That’s pretty badass
@Xizo The Lannisters and Frey's didn't seige riverun. Just the Freys. And they don't resort to storming the castle because they defeat Blackfish through subterfuge using edmure.
And no siege weapons would be in the march shot because siege towers, trebuchets etc are assembled on location not carried to the siege, and you wouldn't see ladders in such a large scale shot. You also don't see the traveling caravan of peasants that followed medieval armies, or the wagons of food water and supplies.
They could have easily made this scene more believable by showing that some of the soldiers inside the castle were secretly with the Tarlys and they pretty much started attacking the other loyal soldiers in the castle and let the Lannisters and other Tarly's in the castle. Like the Red wedding 2.0.
Or have a minor subplot where they bribe some guards to open the gates at the right timing
Literally the largest army in Westeros defeated by infantry with no siege towers in a matter of hours. This fight would have arguably been just as difficult if not more so than the war against the North.
0:56 the Rains of Castamere(lannister's family song) playing as Jamie enters is just sheer goosebumps and a powerplay. They might have messed up the story so much, but Music and severals scenes were done so well..
D&d just kinda forgot how castles work
This song
This scene, this music, this shot, jaime, olenna at the balcony...wow
Man, it was so smart of Jaime to attack just before Highgarden closed its gates for the night.
Any later and they wouldve had to, idk, besiege them or something.
Phew, close one.
Imagine he walked all the way up and he forgot about the poison
😂😂😂😂😂he would probably kill her with his sword
I have never seen such an intense and long battle scene in my life
0:49 Sun has set on House Tyrell
This was one of the dumbest scenes ever. Highgarden can field 100,000 men in a total war against the other great houses. You are telling me they are just going to give up and let the Lannisters take everything?
Totally unrealistic.....they have 40-60 k troops for highgarden alone
@@LdeSoleil The writers kinda forgot
the reach has 100k not the tyrells… also they suck at fighting because they haven’t actually fought a war in a while
@@someoneatemybeans this. Besides, the whole tyrell house was burned alive, nothing but a old woman leading them.
But high garden needs it’s lords to get the troops all of high gardens banner men swore loyalties to the crown and new queen. Only those loyal to House Tyrell fought hence why it was easy but still lazy writing 😂😂
It's funny how highgarden has the most number in army and yet still lost within a day. Lol pretty sure even Theon hold off winterfell longer than that.
This is a pretty cool scene in the series, but it also makes so little sense. For one thing, it’s impossible to march an army of that size through the countryside without word of it getting to the castle beforehand. For another, a castle like that would be impossible to take so quickly (Olenna even says it was in a single day), especially without siege equipment. That siege would’ve lasted months or years, and the Tyrells probably had enough grain to last years, giving the Unsullied plenty of time to follow the Lannisters south and attack them mid-siege.
The biggest stupidity was that the reach has the upper hand. More men, controls the food, lannister army lost many men in war of the five kings too,
So how the f did they win the siege of reach?
I could buy maybe Jaime wanting to raid the Reach countryside and seize supplies that way, but good lord this attack on highgarden doesnt make sense. @@bait5257
Best scene of 7 season
I wish we could have seen this Lannister army at full strength against the Dothraki army without any dragon involvement
Even without the dragon, they can't win against Dothraki.
Only a fool would meet the Dothraki in an open field.
tbh without the dragon brning a gaping hole in the shield wall i doubt the dothraki would of won
@@afriendlycadian9857 the Dothraki strenght is its mobility, in open field they just would win any fight that doesnt involve something unbeatable for infantry, like fortresses or navy, the Lannister would have won easily if they used the castle they just earned to defend themselves, but they understimated the situation in a stupid matter.
Probably if this was made when this show was still good written, the Lannister would have used Highgarden’s cadtle to defend the position and ballistas to take out Drogon, maybe with some difficulty but they could kill Dany. If Tywin was alive he would have thought some kind of plan or alike and would have beaten Daenerys, after all… most of her strategy consists in attacking blindy with cavalry and her dragons, a good tactician would have used her stupidity at his advantage, but Jamie simply becomes an idiot after S6
The Lannister soldiers held off the Dothraki pretty well until the dragon started blasting them
No ladders, no trebuchets, no rams, nothing. Criston Cole would spit on this "siege".
Even if the tyrells only had 500 men they could have held for a while with a castle this high up
The music in this slaps so hard
Highgarden was called highgarden for a reason. And thats because the walls are very high. Just place thousands of archers shooting and raining arrows at the charging lannister army Im pretty ure thousands would die. 🤔 yet they looked almost unscathed after the battle. Plus it took what? Only 3 hours?
Lannister for life
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Imagine Randyll's face if he would see from another world that Bronn will be declared Highgarden's lord in the future
The comments here are correct....no way Highgarden should have fallen that quickly.
How did this happen? The Reach forces are tougher than this!
camera shot of jamie is elite
How the hell did Lannister army just walk in in style and annihilate the tyrell army before dusk
and without any siege weapons? - Sad truth is, the Tyrell forces didn't even know to shut the gates.
Simply glorious.
Jaime was such a capable commander.
Until his army got sloughterd by the dothraki In 15 minutes lol
Not much to be honest, he’s cool and he’s good with a sword in hand, but he’s a shitty tactician. He walked up to a fortress, with infantry and cavalry, he had no siege piece or anything alike. Even the formation of the army is pretty useless. After he took that huge castle super defendable, he just thought of making his army’s outpost in an open field, without having scouts maintaining a perimeter of defense. His army wasn’t ready an he had no ballistas to fight dragons, he’s up against a girl with he hugest dragon anyone ever seen in 300 years and he decided to not care about it at all. He’s cool like Tywin but all his brain power went to Tyrion
@@frozenllama23 people like to forget the freaking dragon, the sole reason dany won.
@@dik56 she would have won with just the dothroki and unsolied lol
@@frozenllama23 the unsullied were across the kingdoms, the only reason Danny made it there in time to catch up is because she had a dragon, dothraki are mounted and plot armor. The dothraki would would have never defeated the Lannister army without the help of a dragon, their swords can't even penetrate armor, while wearing 0 armor themselves
0:03 I always find it funny how the march like this. Imagine watching an army getting into formation in little ass steps. I crack up and then tell my men to decimate them with a volley of arrows.
In the later seasons, Westeros basically went from continent to a neighbourhood. You can just walk down to places and be back
The shot of the formation arriving is phenomenal. obviously just cgi, but just the way the show it just brings so much to the scene
This scene was so amazing, deserved a full good episode like battle of the bastards
Jaime is proud of himself here, oh look I made them into a brilliant formation 😅
So the Reach kinda forgot they could field an army of 100,000 soldiers.
So they are marching in these tiny little steps……good luck getting anywhere with that
She should've sent a raven to danaerys she would have supported her with her dragon
I was on this castle (castle Almodovar near Cordoba) a few weeks ago. That’s why I came here.
I really like those shots of Jaime from behind. They do it a few times in the show, with Ned Stark in season one and again with the Blackfish in season 6
I won't lie the last seasons look gorgeous
i cant believe with that army they took that giant a$z castle that's also in a tall mountain, NO WAY
Love how in time the footsteps are with the music 🤣❤️
Where is their siege engine ? I would have started to build a huge trebuchet , imo its much a more menacing army in that case
While playing a GoT mod for Medieval 2: Total War I understand now how this can happen.
So I played the main campaign as Stannis, after defeating Renly I absorbed the Stormlands. While some of my troops advance westward, I sailed Stannis and his army at the southwest coast of Reach. Captured Oldtown, and continued capturing settlements until I reached Highgarden. There was an encamped army outside the castle, which I attacked. The garrison and reinforcements sallied out. With shrewd tactics Stannis won against an army twice the size of his'. All routing enemy men were chased down and captured. None were left to retreat to Highgarden. So I marched my army in formation to simply occupy the castle, just as shown.
This is what the formations of ancient armies look like. In fact, they might be a little bigger
A siege like that would’ve taken YEARS more than enough time for Daenerys to show up with her three dragons and destroy this army in fire… sometimes this writing really does get to me
The castle of highgarden has been such disapointement in this scene...
I know! Riverrun looked cooler!
They couldn’t make it cool cause it was already too obvious the only reason why Jamie won was plot armor
She knew that in the end it was Tywin, her one true rival winning from the tomb ❤
Best armies in westeros until fairy tales like dragons and white walkers show up -_-
Robb Stark army: am I a joke to you?
Unsullied and northerners army: am I a joke to you
Unsullied never met the main Lannister force in the field, Robb Stark never fought the main lannister force in the field, at oxcross he beat a reserve force under ser Stafford and at whispering woods he ambushed 5k lannister horse men under Jaime's command. The Northern army was crushed in the battle for Winterfell and only saved by a mass cavalry charge from the knights of the vale, the Boltons had virtually annihilated the Stark army, and they only had about 2000 more men. The Lannister army at various times had anywhere from 40k- 12k. Where as Jon Snow's army only ever had maybe 4-5000 men. Also you need to consider all of the Lannister Garrisons during the war of the 5 kings. a large garrison was at Kingslanding, another large one at casterly rock, 1 at harrenhal, untill they abandoned it, Clegan's band of 500 men, and countless more most likely. Plus the force that had seiged River run while jaime was ambushed at whispering woods was then routed as well in an ambush battle. My point is, that if the Stark force ever fought the main Lannister army in the field they would get crushed. As for daenerys army well if you discount the dragoons which is the original comments point, I think the Lannisters would win. 6k unsullied because there is no way that zero died in slavers bay and the assult on Casterly Rock, plus probs like 2-4k unsullied MAX could defeat the 12k-40k lannister army, I think is season 7 its around like 12-15k. The lannisters have more men plus experienced officers and men who had just fought the war of the 5 kings. The unsullied only had experience fighting a small Lannister garrison at Casterly Rock and they got punished for it, and in slavers bay they had only fought light infantry.
they look and march like the telmarines under king miraz
@@oldnosey4961 You are aware that Robb Stark’s army was a completely seperate and much larger army then the army Jon had in the battle of the bastards
And Danerys defeated this army like .. killing a mosquito 😂😂
Good to see the largest army of Westeros actually can't defend a castle long enough for reinforcements to arrive
Jaime would never get the Lannister army moving against an enemy in the field, never mind one behind walls, unless the soldiers knew they have an element of surprise and outnumbered the foe. That's the only way Lannister soldiers know how to fight. See: Jaime's fight with Ned Stark in King's Landing streets, the courtroom slaughter and the subsequent massacre of the Stark household, the implied battles between The Mountain That Rides & the Lannister forces versus Robb's ever dwindling army leading up to the Red Wedding.....
everyone is saying how great Jaime is and all that but no one is talking how they conveniently shrunk Highgarden to a small country chateau. Let's not forget the sudden stupidity of the entirety of Dany's council consisting of the "smartest" people in Westeros, the sheer stupidity of how Cersei got the Tarlys on their side, with a meeting with all the lords of the reach that are supposed to be in open rebellion against the crown in Kings landing which would risk them all getting slaughtered, and the 0 consequence Cersei suffered for blowing up the Sept.
What scene in the show made you think that this isnt how Highgarden was supposed to look? Geniunely curious, I probably missed that detail.
@@Nrzpokrter because that's not how Highgarden is supposed to looks , it's a huge castle on a big hill surrounded by several outer walls and a giant hedge maze between them. There's a big sept and a gods wood. Its described as a pleasure palace but that doesn't mean its not a strong fortress. Furthermore they can withstand a long siege, given the fact that they have most of the food , enough to wait for reinforcement atleast . The castle is conveniently reduced to a joke in the show.
Yeah it's like if let's say Canada blew up the Vatican and everyone was just like "meh"
At the end of season 6 we see everyone hate that Cersei is on the thrones yet literally nothing comes of that. And the fact that Randyll Tarly joins Cersei in the show is the dumbest thing imaginable. Randall is very religious in the books. He cut off seven fingers from a thief who stole from the faith. Imagine what he'd do if someone blew up the Sept of Baelor. He'd do a full on crusade against the Lannisters.
I mean from what Ive read i thought highgarden have walls that increase in height as they go inside and have maze of garden to confuse enemies? Was it that easy to conquer it than Blackfish’s castle? Im saying this cos I recently got into GOT series and reached this episode, also I love Lady Olenna so I expected more of a difficulty conquering her proud house at Highgarden. Guess it was that easy 😢😮
It wouldn’t be that easy. The writers just didn’t care.
Let's see 👀 what's written in books. Here they made highgarden and tyrells such a disappointment
The actual disappointment are the fans who think GRRM will actually finish lol
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Finally we see Highgarden, the castle of badasses
Tyrell has 2 Advantage
A Castle, and more Soldiers
I don't know why the plot armor is so thick in this series.
if the scenario happen in real life
after Joffrey poisoned
it only led them to the their trap
Lannister will attack first, losing lot of soldiers due the high defense of Tyrell Castle
and Tyrell will counter attack & repel the attack.
They went off books, that's the most stupid part
This needs to be a 10 hour mix seriously. It's not the same without the orders being yelled out and clanking of metal/walking.
Would have been pretty cool if they actually made the long night the climax battle. And the lannister army actually came marching to aid winterfell in the fight for the living.
If only
THE SONG is insane.
The real castle of highgarden is in Spain and I visited it myself, feels so weird to see that every hallway etc that jaime goes trough, I have been trough myself haha