Windows XP on 0.09MHz
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Huge thanks to @BobPony for the HDD image and the config file!
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Today I am going to run Windows XP on 0.09MHz CPU clock speed. That's actually outrageous, because the first ever commercially produced CPU (Intel 4004) had a base clock of 108kHz (0.1MHz), and our hearing range ends on ~20kHz. Took a couple of hours to get there, but it was damn worth it.
Links:
DOSBox-X - files.enderman...
Windows XP Image - files.enderman...
DOSBox-X config - files.enderman...
Windows 98 DOSBox-X Guide - go.enderman.ch...
Windows XP DOSBox-X Guide - go.enderman.ch...
Password:
mysubsarethebest
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DOSBox-X developer here. Just a fair warning, modern OSes like Windows XP and Linux on that era of hardware use the Pentium RDTSC instruction for timing, rather than the IRQ 0 system timer interrupt. DOSBox-X, just like DOSBox, emulates RDTSC using the cycle count you set, therefore changing the cycle count changes how fast the clock tick count RDTSC returns. Depending on the OS, that can screw up timing and scheduling. Be careful. In the original DOSBox, lowering the cycle count can even cause RDTSC to jump backwards which can really screw with OSes (DOSBox-X does some extra work to avoid that).
If you need a consistent RDTSC tick rate there is a dosbox.conf option in DOSBox-X to emulate RDTSC at that fixed rate instead of the cycle count.
Slowing the clock speed down to 0.09MHz, barely running, then bringing it back up to 3MHz to prove it didn't crash has got to be the computer equivalent of an EMT using a defibrillator on a heart attack victim on the verge of flatlining
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Fun fact: Intel 8086 is a CPU that was first released in 1978, which gave rise to the x86 architecture which is still used today, including in x64. And even this 1978 CPU has a speed of 5 to 10 MHz...
Wasn't it the 80386 released in the late 1980s that was 32-bit?
@@winexperiments x86 doesn't mean it's 32 bit - it's just an architecture. The 8086 is still part of the x86 architecture despite being a 16 bit CPU. It follows the x86 architecture due to the registers, instructions, binary format, and other.
but the most common one being.........4.77 MHz!
@@TheMightyToshibaLad2012 ...millihertz ?
@@75rxREDSTONE Exactly, you can still run 16-bit instructions on modern CPUs. Heck, you can use the same code from an 8086 CPU and if you manage to trigger a VERY dangerous and practically impossible (as you would need to store the code in the first 640k of addressable RAM) instruction level remote code execution then even an i9-14900KS can run it. It's amazing that code from almost 50 years ago works on modern CPUs without any issues. I can't wait to see what Intel will do when their architecture reaches its 50 year anniversary.
Teachers: "the computers aren't that slow"
the computers:
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our school pcs are from 1990s
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The computers at my school are better than my PC at home
I'm running i3-4130 on integrated graphics (that's my PC)
And yes, i game on it
Modded Minecraft runs surprisingly well if optimised properly with optimisation mods
My school uses M1 iMacs and the iPad 9th gen
Good video. My concern is the emulation accuracy of dosbox vs say, real hardware or something like PCEM since dosbox is not built for accuracy. I think it might be misreporting clocks and/or be doing much more IPC than say, a P5C chip actually at those clocks. I'd love to see real hardware get around that clock. Perhaps someone with an external clockgen could go and make it happen
great thinking
even if somehow you managed to get that slow, there's not chipset that will ever be happy at those speeds. let alone any cpu
Potatoes
@@Davide0033 You'd be surprised at how low of a clock speed you can run a CPU. Sub Hz even. Keep in mind the difference in clock speeds is how fast you're triggering an "update". You can trigger it as low as you want, it's just not very practical.
While I agree it would be even cooler to see on real hardware with a clockgen, I do think Dosbox-X is way better for accuracy than Dosbox, by reason of being modified for a far higher level of accuracy.
“so how are you holding up? because IM A POTATO” this pc, probably
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@@ihyfxntazy задушнил
-potatOS
Portal reference spotted
@ihyfxntazy взаимно
90Khz seems reachable with discrete transistors, It's only time someone decide go insane and make a modern (circa 2004) x86 processor made out of a bunch of discrete transistors and stick it on a motherboard to run XP.
Andrew, ive been your fan since 2018 i think that you are the only youtuber that i can watch for like 5 hours non-stop like i just sometimes rewatch your videos because they are so good
since you're his fan maybe be my fan during summer and cool me in these hot days please (it's a joke ofc)
@@ktozeses thanks for saying it was a joke i was seriously considering
@@SpykoYT no problem
0.09MHz is 90kHz. I had a ZX Spectrum +3 back in the 80's. It had a clock speed of 3.5MHz. That makes the XP VM running on a CPU clocked slower than micro-computers 20 years before XP launched. These videos are great to watch. 😁
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Probably keeping the color depth to 16 bit would have helped. There is a big chance Windows XP was CPU rendering here, so lesser colors should help free us CPU cycles
Honestly, I'm mostly surprised by the existence of DOSBox-X.
Theoretically, there shouldn't be a minimum clock speed for running software (but there definitely is one for hardware). Probably missing a ton of interrupts, though.
Some DOS software depends on the clock speed to regulate how fast they run. This was also the reason Turbo existed.
Windows then: "Sorry for the inconvenience. Explorer has crashed 😢"
Windows now: "Gimme your money and we will steal your data"
audio the typa shit you get when you play shitty creepypasta games
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Windows XP is basically 2000 but with a very minor layer of modern design. Scratch that, and it's basically your good ol' NT 5.0
That's literally what Windows is. A reskin of the previous version, with more or less minor additions
@@rocket2739 so Windows 11 is just a reskin of Windows 1 from 1985?
@@lol-ih1tl No, it's more like a reskin of 10, which was very similar to 8/8.1, which was very similar to 7, which was very similar to Vista, since these are NT versions 6.x and 10, and NT version 10 is still basically 6.x under the hood
@@Jesse78 I wonder why they skipped from NT version 6.3 to 10.0.
@@ChloekabanOfficial early pre release builds of Windows 10 actually identified as NT 6.4
fun fact: the clock speed of the commodore 64 is ~11x faster than this
technically, both devices cannot be compared speed wise (as they are in completely different architectures) but still funny to compare it lol
[insert technical comment]
[reciprocal inverse for good hearted inquisitive playment]
[0.09mhz = 90khz]
[response by someone who thinks they know what they’re talking about]
[some windows 11 roaster that uses windows 11 and tried qemu without virt]
[technical response to your comment]
That's exactly how I remember running this OS back in the days, how authentic
Meanwhile Windows 11 would likely crash if it runs on 0.5Ghz
I had a laptop with a defective cpu that would clock down to 0.11GHZ on Windows 10 Didn't Crash though but it pulled 45 watts at that speed since it was getting too much voltage
Windows 10 runs perfectly fine on 0.7 GHz for me when the CPU isn't boosting, so 0.5 GHz shouldn't be a challenge
@@electronicsfixercan also confirm this. I had a ES Thinkpad P15g that can only run at 0.4GHz and 0.8ghz max with throttlestop multiplier mod. Funny enough since the cpu actually was a 10750H ES with 6 cores, it's actually not that bad for daily tasks with windows 11. But for gaming though, it lags a lot even with 2070s max-q that the laptop had in it.
I have a powerbank for my laptop (win11) with two usb-c outs, one at 65W and the other at 18W, and when I forget and try to charge my laptop with the 18W one the clock of the CPU goes down till 0,09 GHz, and it's massively slow but still working.
Windows 11 runs fine at 0.0 MHz - because that's what sleep mode is when you sit down and think about it.
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enderman the type of guy who would get lost for 10 years and then come back like nothing happened
@@copmidsize the combination of lost and nothing happend made me think of Zoro from One Piece
Lets bootup the packard bell computer
*aggressive beeping*
[Yes, this is a real thing that happened to me]
your computer is angry
@@ChloekabanOfficial it was, its never been booted for years.
@@Zayany-Malikprobably ram error I've had it happen due to a bad capacitor on my 8gb ddr3l sodimm stick in my Lenovo g505s it beeps at 100% volume and It's LOUD
@electronicsfixer luckily it did boot, although I have to get new charger as I think something with the charger is bad although the bell packard is fine
* 70MHz *
"What you see now, is my normal state."
* lowers clock speed to 24MHz *
"This is a super saiyan."
* lowers it to 3MHz*
"This is what is known as a super saiyan that has ascended above a super saiyan. or, you could just call this a super saiyan two"
* LOWERS IT TO 90 KHz *
"AND THIS... IS TO GO... EVEN... FURTHER... BEYOND!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!"
3:40 this music is dope
yep i love beepbox
This is insane! I miss the simplicity of WinXP. One thing with Windows 10/11 I can't figure out is how to increase the clipboard history from default 25 to more. There's not too much documentation on it online, so it would be cool to see if you could figure it out. Thanks for the awesome videos!
I love Enderman's choice of bg music
Yo, this video is wild, lmao 😂 Seeing it run on DosBox-X is kinda sick, ngl. Props for even having anyone able to set it up. And then the way you keep lowering the CPU speed?? It’s like watching paint dry but in slow motion 💀 0.09 MHz is barely even moving at that point lol. Mad respect for the patience, though. I would rage quit after like 2 minutes. Tbh, it’s cool to see how far we've come with computers and stuff. Good video!
Our school sysadmin is watching this video, thinking, "how cheap and useless computers that pretend to work can I build?"
8:27 bro imagine his live-reaction 💀💀💀
imagine if someone tryed to install XP on Intel 4004 based on this vid
Someone booted Linux on 4004
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@@kirill9064 obviously he had to be a russian, who else would do this ? xD
@@rocket2739a british nerd
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That is oddly amazing. I would never even think any of the computers could be able to run on as low as 90kHz CPU clock. For comparison, Intel 4004 - the first consumer CPU on the world, was clocked at 740kHz, and it was intended to use only in calculators.
This video made me remember of my Windows 11 laptop sometimes throttling the CPU to 0.29GHz, and believe me this was a nightmare, even the most basic applications didn't work properly. I have to turn it off for 30 minutes and finally the issue disappeared.
I just watched a video of someone running windows 95 on a 3DS using dosbox, and the results are pretty similar!
It's really an interesting experiment 👍
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average pcs in school:
Imagine playing on 0.01 megahertz, it will die intirely
You could hear the cpu processing its threads away
@@electronicsfixer true
thats... 10khz. yikes most people could hear that (maybe, but im not sure in a cpu it'd be loud enough)
@@randomgamingin144p a lot of ppl could hear that x_x 20 hz to 20,000 hz is normal hearing range
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Enderman just dropped a new video just after few days? AWESOME!
Happy to see you upload again
god this video format has me so nostalgic
"Science isn't about why, it's about why not! "
This is a genuinely interesting experiment which I may dabble with myself.
the title would probably be more readable if it said "windows XP running on a CPU clocked at 90 KHz".
Everyone uses MHz for measurements.
Having it in MHz realy emplasizes how low the clock is, because 90 kHz doesn't "feel" horrible
@@rocket2739tldr: putting mhz instead of khz gets more clicks
@@kab43 that does NOT need a tl:dr
@@zenvio yes it does, my cousin has a condition where he explodes when he reads a sentence above 21 words
@@kab43 iPad kid syndrome?
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I was waiting so long for this comeback
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This goes to far next windows xp on 0 ghz
windows but the cpu does nothing
_0 ghz_
This is, strictly speaking, what your laptop's sleep mode does.
ENDERMANCH IN IT'S WINDOWS XP SOURCE CODE ERA!!!
I discovered this channel right now. The 2000's movie maker and techno bgm vibes are going strong.
The Start Menu still responded well even down to 3MHz, that's good!
windows xp on vaccum tubes 🔥🔥
I'm glad you were upfront about the clickbait thing
It actually makes a good example of how much having a high IPC count can make up for a low clock speed.
6:13 Hold on, how is Windows XP SP3 *unsupported* ? True, its broken, but still supported!
Video like you experiment something else is much interested, love it ✌️
Bro, you beat a record! Congrats!
Interesting! Keep Going!
Thats amazing!
Windows XP is just so incredibly durable
8:28 - 0xC000001D (first parameter after the STOP code here) is a "magic number" to remember for Windows, it means invalid opcode. Most likely something (video driver?) was asked to do some sort of acceleration function and ended up trying to execute an instruction that the emulated CPU didn't support.
0xC0000005 is another one to remember, that one means segmentation fault.
NTDEV will be proud of this
I found it interesting how you could see the scheduler balance drawing the clock speed in that program and blinking the cursor in command prompt
Fire intro! And overall fire video!
if you pause at 2:47 you can see enderman has both portal games. goated.
and geometry dash
For comparison, Intel 4004 had a max speed of 0.75 MHz
3:42 that’s the most laggy and glitchy windows xp OOBE music i’ve ever heard
I used to use a random tool for a few years that limited a process's CPU speed only. It was useful when slowing down MixWaver, a program designed in the early 2000's
Congratulations, by the end you made it about 25x slower then the NES processor (that's 21MHz)
great video keep the great work!!!
You should also try to do this on Windows XP RTM. It may feel more responsive since it is more lightweight than the Service Packs.
0:07 man this song is such a classic
Your videos have always been amazing, but are the youtube strikes still a problem Andrew?
i love the fact you dissapear for months and randomly spawn into my for you category :))
dammit - these are just the kind of late night rando videos i like =) experiements i've always wanted to try - only got as far as removing ram live though.
We saw that NTDev did have Windows XP and underclocked the CPU down to 1 MHz and Now here comes the enderman underclocking the CPU even further down to 90KHz? This is a calculator clock speed that he is getting it. Most of calculators go up to 250KHz speed and the cheapee ones might go down to 80KHz. That is insane.
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I remember setting the cycle count in DosBox so low that I could see the windows being drawn in Windows 3.1!
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Could we possibly do this on modern OSes?
If you want to see how painfully slow this actually is, put the playback speed at 0.25x
i have an acer nitro 5 laptop running windows 11 and before i replaced the vrm thermal pads the cpu would down clock itself to 200mhz and its a very interesting experience, the audio of everything is very clippy and windows is extremely unresponsive to do most tasks but it still has all 16 threads and it is still borderline usable like that lol. this only happened a handfull of times while i was playing beamng drive and the game still runs at 2 ish fps with very unresponsive controls and the audio sounds like a dying gamecube emulator haha
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0.09MHz is 90KHz (kilohertz)
As a reference the Intel 4004 (the first CPU, made in 1971) ran at around 740KHz. Waaay faster than the emulator. I just find it interesting IMO
All BSOD's was 0x8E. Interesting, is there a some sort of watchdog timer under the hood which measures the time between exception occurring and handling it, implying the exception handler failure and firing BugCheck 0x8E as a result if handling took too long?
This is my theory, yes. There are all sorts of timers and counters all around the kernel, and if one overflows or expires before the CPU can get to it, you're goin' down down down down down down, to bugcheck town.
Now, 4DOS is a thing I haven't seen in decades.
hey enderman, great video! i also have 1 question (not about this video). so i've been recently watching your ULTRAXP video alot, and since you bulit this computer in 2021, i have a question; what ever happened to it? are you still using it, will you still make videos about it, and more importantly, is it still alive?
The Comment Guidelines is the same as my reaction today.
I found the music choice very nostalgic i like it
10:48 the taskbar and window have different clock speeds, that’s how slow it’s running
I think the BSOD and the Application Crashes may be caused by a buffer underflow.
There are a lot of possibilities. From the name (KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED), I would say a some sort of kernel watchdog timer elapsed before the CPU could handle it: timer/counter overflows would happen a _lot_ at these low speeds.
Reminded me how I tried to boot Linux Mint 22 in emulator - it took 1 hour to get to the desktop, without any artificial slowdowns🙂
Finally. I can run my underclocked 286 with a more recent version of Windows.
It's impressive what Windows XP supports without crash
Since Windows 10 is.... out of the question, what about Windows Vista under the same premise?
If that don't work, I'll take Windows ME.
I just want to see things break.
It would be interesting to see how long it would take to render the welcome screen, NTDEV tried this with 1MHz and it took 100 seconds
You could use math and find out?
I wonder what's the absolute minimum you can run other OSes
Finnaly you are back
just remembered, the C64 - like the OG breadbox back in the early eighties - did run at about 0.9MHz even. like 10x the cycles, that is. I mean c'mon... wtf?!?
windows XP (or any software with comparably more complexity than that 4+4KB Commodore OS/Basic REPL for that matter) even doing anything at all... to me that seems like nothing short of a miracle in that light...
Pretty sure that's the pal speed of the mos 6502,the ntsc speed is even faster,a whole megahertz! If we can run windows XP at 90Khz,then we can definitely run Windows XP on the commordore 64,albeit with alot of restraints,like the 6502 being 8 bit...64Kbs of ram.... you're more likely to run windows XP on a sega genesis or the amiga 4000/4000T...
Your numbers are a bit off. The '64 ran at 985KHz in PAL and SECAM regions, and 1.02MHz in NTSC regions.
The BASIC interpreter was 9KB, the KERNAL (that's the correct spelling) was 7KB.
0.09 Clock Speed is the average school chromebook speed
I tried doing that upgrade in Vanilla DosBox. Had to use a modified ISO that allowed XP to run on an Intel 486 by removing the 2 (I think it was 2) unsupported CPU instructions. Trying to boot the HDD image after the first part of the install always just failed to boot. The whole purpose of it was to get at least the Windows XP boot screen to appear on DosBox for 3DS
can you make malware videos too if possible? i don't want to force you, i'm just saying (btw you're taste of music is amazing!)