He was also incredible in the Big Brother-esque Legend’s House WWE did in 2014, honestly one the best original shows they’ve ever done, shame there was no follow up season.
I do have to say that you are right that this documentary does show Shane McMahon in a very positive light, and watching him with his kids, you can tell he's given them the kind of time and affection he wanted as a kid. Good on him for ending that cycle.
I especially love how they skipped the fact that he forced Wendy to drop the gold to Moolah, who was infamously trafficking women while on top of that card. His involvement with traffickers HONESTLY goes that far back into his life. How was that not even worth a side note, but the WM3 audience was?
Because the Moolah situation is far too important to be a side note in a documentary on the crimes of someone else. It would cheapen it more than raise awareness of it. Also, Moolah was doing this on her own. With or without McMahon. What she did DESERVES its own spotlight.
@@mattphoenix4702 I mean, I agree 100% that it deserves it's own spotlight, but the idea of it being so important that it wasn't worth mentioning doesn't make much sense to me. Yes, she did that regardless of McMahon, but McMahon provided her the ability to do that. She sold the women to wrestlers a lot of the time. There is no conceivable way that McMahon was not aware of and involved in that with everything we know now. It was absolutely worth mentioning if even just for the purpose of speculation.
That part, in the very beginning, about believing victims, just solidifies Simon as the most amazing person in the entire IWC. He is genuinely the best.❤❤ One love ❤
The real funny thing i took away from this doc is….vince thinks HE is the victim😂 Look at how he spoke of his taking over the territories vs what Turner and Bischoff did in 96/97 to him. You’d think he was this little boy and they were bullies who took all his candy. Believe the REAL victims, absolutely, Not the people who insist upon others seeing them as such, especially under a false pretense. Guys like Vince gonna Vince, They tend to convict themselves simply because they geek out over their own ability to snake out of situations. Narcissists love a spotlight, and all you have to do sometimes is shine it on them. He’s like bugs bunny pulling a gag on elmer fudd, then insisting to look at the camera with a wink and say “aint i a stinker?” They’ll go up in it like a vampire.
@@DeadmanInc336 Either that or he would have made his own circus and drove ringling bros into the dirt long before animal rights activism even caught on.
He basically pulled an OJ "If I did it" about Chatterton. He's a despicable human being. WWF would've been fine without him taking over his dad, it's anyone's guess what wrestling would look like today, but it would be doing fine. It's one of the oldest sports in human history and in its modern form, it traces back to the 1830s, that's 150 years without Vince.
I think he did that in the bad times between 2016 and 2020 a few times, when the booking was not just weak (which was most weeks) but actually insulting to the intelligence of the audience. But he is a self-proclaimed "positive Pete" and these days, he's pretty accurate with his views too - so him giving more downs means something.
It was a great documentary. Made me want to go back and watch old school 80s WWF. It was more about the history of WWE than the Vince allegations (which they marketed it as being about).
@@Kevmaster2000 yeah cause it’s not a part of the doc….just like the first ep they said the allegations had just started to come to air and thus the crew couldn’t get a ‘final’ interview…those allegations are mute to this doc.
Not sure what marketing you've been watching. Any outlet covering this was saying they weren't sure how much they would cover the Vince allegations and each said this was likely to be just what you called this - a history of the WWF/WWE
Tony atlas gets a lot of heat about not intervening in the bruiser Brody incident when he was in a spot, by his own admission, to do so. Regardless of that, he has always appeared to be a very straight shooter
This was clearly made long before the current lawsuit. Netflix was just holding on to this until it settled but since that's not happening anytime soon they rushed it out the door.
To be fair to McMahon, Bischoff and Heyman have both stated they probably would have also continued the show after the Owen Hart fall. That’s just how this business worked back then. What makes it so disgusting is everything Vince did after. Paying Owen’s widow to publicly comment on the situation in Vince’s favor on tv. Refusing to give his family the justice they deserve.
I enjoyed the documentary and learned more about the early days of wrestling. It felt like it could've been more in-depth with some scandals. Vince saying the statue of limitations had passed definitely turned my stomach.
3:33 to explain this, testifying against simply means that he’s a witness brought by the prosecution. He did that so he did fulfill the agreement even though he didn’t testify in the way they had assumed he would.
Hi Simon. I found the Documentary very insightful. We hear stories about Vince for years but it hits differently when you hear from him directly. He doesn't come across as a reliable narrator. It's true that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, however, the Statue of Limitations temporarily lifted for one whole month in November 2023. What happened in that time? Vince paid Rita. From what Vince said in the documentary and to paying Rita, this tells us all we need to know. Thank you for your videos Simon, keep up the great work.
I used to work out at the same gym as Tony Atlas. He is a really friendly and funny guy. He is also an absolute unit and his arms are like tree trunks.
@9:14 - the point of the WMIII attendance spot, was exactly to demonstrate what you said @9:40 - the producers are showing how the "reality" of wrasslin is not "real", even in "real life" (like attendance numbers). In the biz, everything is a work. Everything....that's what the Mr McMahon series is about - blurring the lines of myth/reality in real-time with living people.
I feel a much more concise version of this is the Nine Live of Vince McMahon from Vice..covers alot of the same things without the wwe polish. little over hour and a half versus 6 40something minute episodes. This one was much more of a production/entertainment series
Sorry, I didn't need a documentary to know Vince is a POS. I watched WWE back in the 80's-early 2000's, and didn't turn wrestling back on until AEW came on.
The thing with the WrestleMania III attendance dispute is that it's very easy to prove that as usual, Dave Meltzer is full of shit. While the attendance may not have been "93, 173" as WWE states it for damn sure is not "78,000" as proclaimed by Meltzer. Meltzer's bullshit can be easily disproven. Facts are that the capacity for football alone in the Silverdome was over 81K. The only Super Bowl held in the Silverdome (SBXVI) had an official attendance of 81,270. Taking in to consideration that back then they didn't have the massive stage/presentation setup that modern WrestleManias have and that it was just the ring area and the entranceway on the floor along with all of the seating on the floor and the capacity of the stands and when you see the crowd shots there are no areas of massive empty seats in the venue that would account for 15K in empty seats, it's more than likely that the actual number is closer to the 93K than Meltzer' bullshit 78K figure. Now it may have been 78K tickets sold with about 15K in comps but it for damn sure wasn't 78K in total attendance.
Hogan finally admitting that he snitched to Vince when Jesse Ventura was trying to unionise the locker room is the only true thing that rat bastard said. Hogan himself is a living, breathing Brown Down
This Documentary I thought was pretty good it told alot but I wish their was more to the story bc this was very intriguing awesome job Simon you get a golden up
Hearing the stories about the guy who was trafficking young teens made me feel like shit for watching the show back in the day. Note to any promoters in any area of entertainment, If what you're doing involves children , it will attract child predators! Please screen your crew accordingly!
Shane and Tony Atlas were the MVP's of this Doc. They sold this Doc as "get to know the *real* Vince Mcmahon and see that he is really like" -----yeah that didn't happen
Nah I made my girlfriend watch this and couldn't feel more embarrassed, it's not covering any new ground for wrestling fans and its too dull/ boring/ obviously bull shib propaganda for non wrestling fans... And the little amount of time Owen got was shameful in my opinion
This was an odd Ups & Downs video to do. Like you said, if you’ve been a wrestling fan for a while, you know about most of the stuff in this “documentary”. Nothing new really came to light, so why are we acting like Vince is not a detested POS by many and that he has people that do and don’t like him in and outside of wrestling?
I agree with all the ups. All of the downs however are strange. You criticize the piece for being incomplete. All your other videos consistently remind us that people do what they can at most because no one is perfect. This documentary captures a story that may not be 75% complete. We do not know yet. Right? You also point at the heartless things Vince says. That's the power of the doc not the problem. You see, though uncomfortably, and awfully, who this person is even as he is hiding and trying to present his best self. That's a win for the piece not a thumbs down right?
Vince also directly led to the end of Bret Hart's career by not honoring the contract that he signed him to and sending him to WCW. Brett was never going to work in the South. there's no way. Hey mismanaged him and Goldberg put him ut of the business Also anybody else think there's a possibility Owen would still be alive if Brett never left?
@@sarge5741 I'm pretty sure he didn't. He said the bad gimmick and angles were a way of getting back at him. But Bret went on to say when they were cleared of murder, that's when he felt comfortable to work with them again. All paraphrased, but he definitely didn't say that...
@@sarge5741 Okay I've re-watched the segment. I apologise, Bret said he had inner thoughts that maybe they had murdered Owen to get back at him, then once the investigation had concluded it was an accident, he could forgive and work with the WWF again. ✌️
Thanks for the review. Watched it myself and enjoyed. Thought it was going to go a lil more in on some things, but understand why they didn't(current lawsuit).
Not buying Shane Mcmahon's good guy. He says in doc Vince Mcmahon is only minimally like the character, but the wrestlers say that's basically who he is. Shane mastered deer in headlights look for camera too. Flip side of Stephanie but same coin.
This is why I stopped following WWE and almost gave up on wrestling as a whole. Vince is a seriously screwed up guy who claims all of the credit for things he didn’t really do alone and tries to pass the buck on anything bad. Stephanie and Pritchard came across as sycophants, Hunter like he was hiding something. Tony Atlas, Bret Hart and (surprisingly) Shane McMahon came across as the most honest. WWE is fundamentally broken. The best thing for wrestling is for this mega corporation to die and smaller companies to reappear in its wake.
I have spent my whole adult life waiting for vince to just go the hell away, and i don’t think i can bring myself to watch multiple hours of this doc. But i hope that, if nothing else, it leaves his legacy where it belongs (the garbage heap)
Back in the late 90's Bret Hart got booted out, then an amazing documentary. Now Vince gets booted out and follows in Bret's foot steps of an esoteric Internet star. The Internet revolution ate its children. No more wrestling for me.
Unpopular opinion: Vince was technically right about over the edge 1999, if not eloquent. If they had cancelled the show, it would have been horrible for the live crowd. It costs so much more than the ticket price to attend a show and that would have been awful, particularly since the live crowd didn’t know he died.
from a BUSINESS standpoint, you are correct. The fucked up part was they sat there and announced it live on the air so now anyone that BOUGHT the ppv now has to watch it knowing someone literally just died on that mat, so either way people who spent money on that had found out and willingly watched a program that a man just died on.
Tony Atlas gave zero fugs, and told the dirty truth. That man could narrarate an entire documentary on wrestling himself.
He was also incredible in the Big Brother-esque Legend’s House WWE did in 2014, honestly one the best original shows they’ve ever done, shame there was no follow up season.
You should hear him on the darkside of the ring for bruiser brody's death. He is very insightful
but he could not prove it and the doc what not about that so
Stone cold “not believing” in CTE was a swerve I wasn’t expecting
I think that was taken out of context from a much bigger interview from another time because I swear I’ve seen that before
I do have to say that you are right that this documentary does show Shane McMahon in a very positive light, and watching him with his kids, you can tell he's given them the kind of time and affection he wanted as a kid. Good on him for ending that cycle.
That was apparent
Tony Atlas was always very open on any of the dark side of the rings he partook in so was glad that carried on in this
I especially love how they skipped the fact that he forced Wendy to drop the gold to Moolah, who was infamously trafficking women while on top of that card. His involvement with traffickers HONESTLY goes that far back into his life. How was that not even worth a side note, but the WM3 audience was?
Cause this isn’t a documentary based on the scandals that currently have him mia
Because the Moolah situation is far too important to be a side note in a documentary on the crimes of someone else. It would cheapen it more than raise awareness of it.
Also, Moolah was doing this on her own. With or without McMahon.
What she did DESERVES its own spotlight.
@@mattphoenix4702 I mean, I agree 100% that it deserves it's own spotlight, but the idea of it being so important that it wasn't worth mentioning doesn't make much sense to me.
Yes, she did that regardless of McMahon, but McMahon provided her the ability to do that. She sold the women to wrestlers a lot of the time. There is no conceivable way that McMahon was not aware of and involved in that with everything we know now. It was absolutely worth mentioning if even just for the purpose of speculation.
I'm still violently angry about what happened to Ashley Massaro, feels like someone did it to a family member. Vince will burn in hell
Well this is an Ups & Downs I would have never expected.
That part, in the very beginning, about believing victims, just solidifies Simon as the most amazing person in the entire IWC. He is genuinely the best.❤❤
One love ❤
I'll second that
The real funny thing i took away from this doc is….vince thinks HE is the victim😂
Look at how he spoke of his taking over the territories vs what Turner and Bischoff did in 96/97 to him. You’d think he was this little boy and they were bullies who took all his candy.
Believe the REAL victims, absolutely,
Not the people who insist upon others seeing them as such, especially under a false pretense.
Guys like Vince gonna Vince,
They tend to convict themselves simply because they geek out over their own ability to snake out of situations. Narcissists love a spotlight, and all you have to do sometimes is shine it on them.
He’s like bugs bunny pulling a gag on elmer fudd, then insisting to look at the camera with a wink and say “aint i a stinker?”
They’ll go up in it like a vampire.
@@GrymmJymm I maintain to this day that had Vince not gotten into professional wrestling, he would have no doubt ended up a cult leader.
@@DeadmanInc336
Either that or he would have made his own circus and drove ringling bros into the dirt long before animal rights activism even caught on.
He basically pulled an OJ "If I did it" about Chatterton.
He's a despicable human being.
WWF would've been fine without him taking over his dad, it's anyone's guess what wrestling would look like today, but it would be doing fine.
It's one of the oldest sports in human history and in its modern form, it traces back to the 1830s, that's 150 years without Vince.
Extra ups and downs for the week? Hell yea
Simon “Give this an up” sign on Ep 6: 22:05 of this documentary.
Being unintentionally affiliated with WWE is tight! 😂
@@derpmang5539 my thoughts exactly 😂
@@derpmang5539 I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE!
First time I have ever seen Simon give more downs than ups
I think he did that in the bad times between 2016 and 2020 a few times, when the booking was not just weak (which was most weeks) but actually insulting to the intelligence of the audience.
But he is a self-proclaimed "positive Pete" and these days, he's pretty accurate with his views too - so him giving more downs means something.
It was a great documentary. Made me want to go back and watch old school 80s WWF. It was more about the history of WWE than the Vince allegations (which they marketed it as being about).
How did they market it as such
@@julioornano8427Because the trailer put an emphasis on that part but it was only the final episode.
@@Kevmaster2000 yeah cause it’s not a part of the doc….just like the first ep they said the allegations had just started to come to air and thus the crew couldn’t get a ‘final’ interview…those allegations are mute to this doc.
Not sure what marketing you've been watching. Any outlet covering this was saying they weren't sure how much they would cover the Vince allegations and each said this was likely to be just what you called this - a history of the WWF/WWE
Tony atlas gets a lot of heat about not intervening in the bruiser Brody incident when he was in a spot, by his own admission, to do so. Regardless of that, he has always appeared to be a very straight shooter
This was clearly made long before the current lawsuit. Netflix was just holding on to this until it settled but since that's not happening anytime soon they rushed it out the door.
I did not expect an Ups and Downs for this.
Doing ups and downs on this is genius Simon!!
To be fair to McMahon, Bischoff and Heyman have both stated they probably would have also continued the show after the Owen Hart fall. That’s just how this business worked back then.
What makes it so disgusting is everything Vince did after. Paying Owen’s widow to publicly comment on the situation in Vince’s favor on tv. Refusing to give his family the justice they deserve.
Doesn't make vince better just makes them worse like him
That's Evansville, Indiana you put in the background... that's awesome!
I learned more about vince the person listening to cornette tell stories on his podcast.
It is a work, BROTHER!
It would be fun to see Simon do an Ups and Downs for Queen of Villans next.
Ups-Bret hart, Tony atlas, and Shane MacMahon
Down- Vince and Bruce
The ads don’t make me want to buy their products
Tony Atlas was the best in this doc lol
I enjoyed the documentary and learned more about the early days of wrestling. It felt like it could've been more in-depth with some scandals. Vince saying the statue of limitations had passed definitely turned my stomach.
Yeah, Im like why even bring that up. That made me hella sus.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!....
Thank you for doing this Simon 🙏🏼
The whole documentary should get a brown down tbh
Thanks for doing this, Simon! 🎉🎉
I think this is the first Ups and Downs episode in forever where we've had more downs than ups.
Some real life Succession vibes in the documentary, Shane Kendall Roy
3:33 to explain this, testifying against simply means that he’s a witness brought by the prosecution. He did that so he did fulfill the agreement even though he didn’t testify in the way they had assumed he would.
Hi Simon.
I found the Documentary very insightful. We hear stories about Vince for years but it hits differently when you hear from him directly. He doesn't come across as a reliable narrator.
It's true that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, however, the Statue of Limitations temporarily lifted for one whole month in November 2023. What happened in that time? Vince paid Rita. From what Vince said in the documentary and to paying Rita, this tells us all we need to know.
Thank you for your videos Simon, keep up the great work.
I used to work out at the same gym as Tony Atlas. He is a really friendly and funny guy. He is also an absolute unit and his arms are like tree trunks.
@9:14 - the point of the WMIII attendance spot, was exactly to demonstrate what you said @9:40 - the producers are showing how the "reality" of wrasslin is not "real", even in "real life" (like attendance numbers). In the biz, everything is a work. Everything....that's what the Mr McMahon series is about - blurring the lines of myth/reality in real-time with living people.
I feel a much more concise version of this is the Nine Live of Vince McMahon from Vice..covers alot of the same things without the wwe polish. little over hour and a half versus 6 40something minute episodes. This one was much more of a production/entertainment series
I was laughing every time Vince tried to paint himself as the victim. Just how deluded can one man be?
Sorry, I didn't need a documentary to know Vince is a POS. I watched WWE back in the 80's-early 2000's, and didn't turn wrestling back on until AEW came on.
The Shane and Vince fallout was interesting - I had always wondered why Shane left the WWE...
Everything adds up when in one of the episodes you can see that Vince's office its in the same place that de Ladys locker room and the Models
Some ups and downs never got added to the count
Dave meltzer didn't said anything about documents, he just said it dave probably counted 78,000 himself.
The thing with the WrestleMania III attendance dispute is that it's very easy to prove that as usual, Dave Meltzer is full of shit. While the attendance may not have been "93, 173" as WWE states it for damn sure is not "78,000" as proclaimed by Meltzer. Meltzer's bullshit can be easily disproven. Facts are that the capacity for football alone in the Silverdome was over 81K. The only Super Bowl held in the Silverdome (SBXVI) had an official attendance of 81,270. Taking in to consideration that back then they didn't have the massive stage/presentation setup that modern WrestleManias have and that it was just the ring area and the entranceway on the floor along with all of the seating on the floor and the capacity of the stands and when you see the crowd shots there are no areas of massive empty seats in the venue that would account for 15K in empty seats, it's more than likely that the actual number is closer to the 93K than Meltzer' bullshit 78K figure. Now it may have been 78K tickets sold with about 15K in comps but it for damn sure wasn't 78K in total attendance.
Hard to be a Positive Pete this week.
Hogan finally admitting that he snitched to Vince when Jesse Ventura was trying to unionise the locker room is the only true thing that rat bastard said.
Hogan himself is a living, breathing Brown Down
Can't wait till the Terry obituary drops 🥳🥳🥳
@@matrixmessiah6083The irony is that saying something like that is just as classy as the man you’re talking about. Nice one.
Rather be hateful towards a deserving asshole instead of a racist piece of shit, but keep showing your colors 😉@@mattphoenix4702
This is the first time that I have ever seen Simon give something more downs than ups.
Vince screwed Vince 🖕.
I havent watched this podcast in a couple of years. Its odd how it brings back memories hearing Simon WC again.
Brown down for screw job, his current case and for how he treated women and how he handled wrestlers deaths
This Documentary I thought was pretty good it told alot but I wish their was more to the story bc this was very intriguing awesome job Simon you get a golden up
Hearing the stories about the guy who was trafficking young teens made me feel like shit for watching the show back in the day. Note to any promoters in any area of entertainment, If what you're doing involves children , it will attract child predators! Please screen your crew accordingly!
Shane and Tony Atlas were the MVP's of this Doc. They sold this Doc as "get to know the *real* Vince Mcmahon and see that he is really like" -----yeah that didn't happen
Tony Atlas had one of the greatest phisics of all time
I liked Vince before... now I love him... "Storyline! Storyline!"
Feels like it was a WWE documentary and they made it into a vince mcmahon piece because of recent things.
Tony gave his honest point of view because he had NOTHING to lose, unlike the rest 😂
Nah I made my girlfriend watch this and couldn't feel more embarrassed, it's not covering any new ground for wrestling fans and its too dull/ boring/ obviously bull shib propaganda for non wrestling fans... And the little amount of time Owen got was shameful in my opinion
This was an odd Ups & Downs video to do. Like you said, if you’ve been a wrestling fan for a while, you know about most of the stuff in this “documentary”. Nothing new really came to light, so why are we acting like Vince is not a detested POS by many and that he has people that do and don’t like him in and outside of wrestling?
What a great Doc tho even for someone watching wrestler for past decades.
This nob-end is unbearable
Tony Atlas is the GOAT in this
Vice doc was much better than the Netflix one.
Simon worried bout Tony Atlas giving no Fs 🤣
I agree with all the ups. All of the downs however are strange. You criticize the piece for being incomplete. All your other videos consistently remind us that people do what they can at most because no one is perfect. This documentary captures a story that may not be 75% complete. We do not know yet. Right? You also point at the heartless things Vince says. That's the power of the doc not the problem. You see, though uncomfortably, and awfully, who this person is even as he is hiding and trying to present his best self. That's a win for the piece not a thumbs down right?
Oddly Nothing about The Plane Ride from Hell in this whole encapsulation.
Vince also directly led to the end of Bret Hart's career by not honoring the contract that he signed him to and sending him to WCW.
Brett was never going to work in the South. there's no way. Hey mismanaged him and Goldberg put him ut of the business
Also anybody else think there's a possibility Owen would still be alive if Brett never left?
Stone cold should’ve gotten a down for “not being a CTE guy”
My sister watched it and said it was insane to go into everything.
Give Bret Hart a down for saying WWE murdered Owen to get back at him
Yeah... Except he never said that.
@@pauljackson4409 better rewatch that documentary, he said it in there
@@sarge5741 I'm pretty sure he didn't.
He said the bad gimmick and angles were a way of getting back at him.
But Bret went on to say when they were cleared of murder, that's when he felt comfortable to work with them again.
All paraphrased, but he definitely didn't say that...
@@sarge5741 Okay I've re-watched the segment. I apologise, Bret said he had inner thoughts that maybe they had murdered Owen to get back at him, then once the investigation had concluded it was an accident, he could forgive and work with the WWF again.
✌️
I haven't seen a 1:2 Up:Down ratio since 2020
1 thing i learnt is that Bruce Pritchard is even more of a corporate stooge than I ever imagined.😅😅
Uh oh!!! A Simon video!!! No one is allowed to disagree!!!!
😂😂 I did not see an Ups and Downs Video for this coming... 👆
Wow I just watched the last episode. I didn't an ups and downs for it but awesome
Vince is a psychopath. That’s my takeaway
The two teams he wants to go to because he likes the quarterbacks
Thanks for the review. Watched it myself and enjoyed. Thought it was going to go a lil more in on some things, but understand why they didn't(current lawsuit).
Vince still the Goat.
that grant woman is a liar shes just out for a payday the truth will set Vince free
The only thing I didn’t know about was the ring boy scandal but I still enjoyed it due to the talking heads
Vince McMahon had Owen Hart killed because of Brett leaving and because he broke Austin‘s neck!
I enjoyed it for what it was.
I love how I watched 5 and a half epis to see nothing much about the now
Not buying Shane Mcmahon's good guy. He says in doc Vince Mcmahon is only minimally like the character, but the wrestlers say that's basically who he is. Shane mastered deer in headlights look for camera too. Flip side of Stephanie but same coin.
Hulk got immunity got testifying, not to testify in a specific way.... cmon its not that hard 😂
Just a random thought. Maybe we shouldn't use the phrase "leaves an awful taste in your mouth" when we're talking about Vince and his scandals?
6:46: well that's just not at all suspicious
Vince McMahon himself gets a brown down
Before and Still there are many many Various Videos on the Newest Sex Scandal With Vince and John Laryngitis too on here that go way more in Depth.
Emerald Point
Still don’t know why Meltzer came within a thousand feet of this project.
Vince SR gave vinny jr a sweetheart deal, you pay for the company with the profits its already making.
If this isn’t the most down heavy episode ever….
This is why I stopped following WWE and almost gave up on wrestling as a whole. Vince is a seriously screwed up guy who claims all of the credit for things he didn’t really do alone and tries to pass the buck on anything bad. Stephanie and Pritchard came across as sycophants, Hunter like he was hiding something. Tony Atlas, Bret Hart and (surprisingly) Shane McMahon came across as the most honest. WWE is fundamentally broken. The best thing for wrestling is for this mega corporation to die and smaller companies to reappear in its wake.
Up from me, I’ve seen enough already
I have spent my whole adult life waiting for vince to just go the hell away, and i don’t think i can bring myself to watch multiple hours of this doc. But i hope that, if nothing else, it leaves his legacy where it belongs (the garbage heap)
When Hogan claimed he was better than Andre when he started...yeah, he is easily as slimy as McMahon.
Back in the late 90's Bret Hart got booted out, then an amazing documentary. Now Vince gets booted out and follows in Bret's foot steps of an esoteric Internet star. The Internet revolution ate its children. No more wrestling for me.
Haven’t watched what culture in years, am I tripping or is Simon talking differently?
Unpopular opinion: Vince was technically right about over the edge 1999, if not eloquent. If they had cancelled the show, it would have been horrible for the live crowd. It costs so much more than the ticket price to attend a show and that would have been awful, particularly since the live crowd didn’t know he died.
from a BUSINESS standpoint, you are correct. The fucked up part was they sat there and announced it live on the air so now anyone that BOUGHT the ppv now has to watch it knowing someone literally just died on that mat, so either way people who spent money on that had found out and willingly watched a program that a man just died on.
Where in the world could there be an up?