Thank you Zevi! What a lovely gift to those of us so far from the study halls you frequent. I find him delightful. Such a thoughtful brain yet manages not to be too serious/earnest. Quite a skill. And the man is still writing! What tenacity!
Surreal to watch you sit with Prof. Idel and gather as many gems of wisdom as you can before he tells you plainly he's off to go home. I cannot imagine the pressure you must have felt to make every question count.
Like, comment and share for the algo ;) What was your fave moment in the interview? Check out the rest of the Hartman interview series: ruclips.net/p/PL_7jcKJs6iwX239Hsnl7hG3p9hPB6WQ_k
Thank you Zevi. As a novice in this world, I have learned so much color, depth, and harmony to the Jewish scholarly tradition. Thanks again for these remarkable personalities and minds.
These interviews are blowing my mind. Keep it up. You are forming this into a sort of podcast that supplements all the ideas we have been exploring together at a milder but more immersive pace.
Haven't even begun to listen yet but this quote caught my eyes.....Very, very ballsy. I could say "Oh how this has gotten me in trouble before" but actually it never has. I better listen to the interview so I can hear the quote in the correct context and not ruin something nice with a knee jerk reaction......
@@rishikesh1087 I should clarify that this is a quote by Terrence McKenna and not by one of the interviewers here, I was simply reminded of it at the opening of the interview.
2 hours with Moshe Idel??? Did you have to sell a kidney to make this happen? This video should have ten billion likes. If it ever happens again, I would love further questions about his work on Italian Kabbalah and what he makes of Elliot Wolfson's arguments that Reuchlin was interested in a genuine theurgic kabbalah and not simply a hermeneutic one (as Idel argues makes the difference in his New Perspectives book). Or questions drawing out the differences between his Divine Feminine book and Peter Schafer's work on the Shekhinah in light of High Mariology. Thank you for this great interview!
I love when he (with a smile) schools you on what you don’t know and haven’t read about being Ashkenazi! So good :) We need our learned elders to remind us that we don’t know nearly as much as we think we do.
39:20: "When you use [Abulafia's techniques], you believe that his experience is your experience, and that is also a price." Very profound thought on the so-called 'scholar/practitioner' divide here. The emic/etic distinction is completely dissolved when we consider how contemporary practice is wrenched out of its original ancient/medieval context. As the idiom goes: "the past is a foreign country," and that is seldom acknowledged by modern practitioners of ancient/medieval techniques, magical, mystical, or otherwise.
Zevi: "What do you think about Perennialism?" Idel: "I don't accept this way of thinking, I believe that it is an invention." *pops pill, takes a sip* I don't know why I laughed at this so much, the look on his face was priceless to me.
I had a Mystic experience of union to the One 8 years ago and I didn't had anything like this during 8 years later. These discussions are very important. Not only for persons who don't know what is God.
What a talk. Prof. Idel definitely knows how to keep an audience on their toes, having no idea what might come out of his mouth next. Between shrugging off psychology and telling you that you have no idea what your roots are, this was a fun one :) Kol Hakavod on the very elegant interviewing.
As a person who has interest in Jewish Mysticism, and as a person who does watch things with the podcast format, I hope this channel doesnt drop its survey content of mysticism in general. i really enjoy the videos examining and explaining the various mystical and philosophical schools throughout history.
Thanks Zevi! Love your interview style, and the giggles were icing on the cake! That "Next time you have to increase the dose" comment! LOL I hope you can have more interviews like this with other living scholars. Wow, lots to think about now! Several of his works in my library are definitely on my re-read list, especially his favorite, Messianic Mystics. Some of the zingers: "I don't know what Reality is..."; "Scholars take mystics too seriously..."; "Unfortunate to say non-dual... I see too many dualities... I don't understand non-duality." Not really surprised that he espouses a Constructivist view like Katz, or something similar. Surprised at how humble and relaxed he is. More please.
Zeevi, amazing interview. I have much respect for Mr Idel. In regard to the interview, I believe that unity is expressed in diversity or plurality. Meaning that the kabbalist strives to create a unified purpose - to elevate the world to a higher level of being. Tikun olam, olam haba. To realize keter in malchut. The way of creating unity goes by diversity. People can only stay true to their core being, tiferet. I believe Mr Idel's strength is cognitive clarity - the ability to find truth or offer alternative perspective on very difficult to understand topics. By creating plurality, he leads the world to unity. I'm not sure if you can follow my words?
Yet another amazing interview! There have been so many. I’m so grateful. This interview was enthralling. They all are in different ways. I get so excited when I get a notification from your channel lately. I liked this one a lot. He’s got that mystic vibe. Don’t know how else to explain it. Some people just have it. Also, I couldn’t help but giggle when you told this wonderful 76 year old man that “next time you have to increase the dose” 🤭
With respect, am I allowed to be critical? This man has had no mystical experiences; has not sought a mystical experience (because those who do are, quote, "unhappy"); he just enjoys reading and writing about them. What value did he offer other than being a typical over-intellectual? He basically said there was not much beauty in the Kabbalah. Yet earlier he explained there were many techniques one could use with the Kabbalah to attain mystical states. I would love it if you were to interview someone who actually HAS attained mystical states with the Kabbalah and were open to talk about it, then do some comparative theological discussion afterward. Just saying. But thanks Zevi, love your content.
Lol moshe Idel is very much the reall deal: unapologetically says what he thinks 😆Got a few chuckles out of some of his responses. but even more than the awesome quirky moments there were some real truth bombs that he subtly dropped which I loved 🌼 For one, his approach to life is so calming because I tend to get 0verwhelmed with the need to figure everything out. so to hear how someone as accomplished as he is say that he Is Ok not knowing everything. And how his Not Knowing is actually what opened up his curiosity and lead him to contributing all that he has. so instead of being overwhelmed with this empty state of Not Knowing, we can see it as in invitation to explore. and not to stress about figuring everything out right away, just like how prof idel didnt even plan to be an author or Kabbalistic researcher- and yet he became a highly respected & well known figure of kabbalah, simply by following his Joys. Its like, Life is what happens to you while you are trying to figure it all out. And one day we wake up & we’re that old and have a whole life of accomplishments to look back on that we never even intended to create. 0ur Joys dont lie to us; they guide us to our higher potential if we just let them lead the way~. Thats the beauty of destiny. I also appreciated how prof idel reminds us quite a few times in this interview that reality is NOT set. Our eyes may be under the illusion that everything around is is solid & fixed, but as soon as we put it under a microscope we can see how everything truly is just floating particles. Judaism is also always reminding us to get out of this fixed mindset, where we are commanded not to make a carved image of G-d or to do the same for ourselves. The idea is that we are always given the opportunity for renewal. and that is where the greatest growth happens☀ Its this fluidity of life that had us grow from just a seed into the person we are today ~ Idel's comment on “not being for unity” also made me laugh at first but thinking more about it I realize there is great depth behind that thought. At first unity seems like a worthy pursuit but in actuality may not always be the greatest goal. For example, Evil is not worth uniting with. Or a married couple that is exclusive to one another, shouldn't necessarily be 'uniting' with others at the expense of their relationship. Even in nature, unity is not always the goal. In science & chemistry not every element can form a covalent bond with one another. Not every element is destined to unite, and if they do, they can sometimes create a destructive force and toxic structures 🜡 That's why Judaism also isn't always pro Unity. although on one hand we have shabbat, a day of complete unity, but on the other hand we have havdala right after, where we are meant to make a separation between the Holy & the Profane, between shabbat and the rest of the week, and not to mix them. What seems more important than Unity in Judaism is Holiness/ kedusha. And ironically, some of the well known commentators translate the word Kadosh to mean “Separate” - the opposite of unity. Because Separation is what allows for unity to be Sacred. Such as in a marriage, by a couple separating themselves from every other person, that is when the couple is truly unified. or by separating ourselves from evil, that is when we can Unite with goodness. Another great paradox.
Thank you Zevi, this is amazing and you are such a Mensch! in 2:04 you asked Moshe a question about the two god's in Kabbalah, the Ein Sof and the God creator described in Bereshit. Could you elaborate on that? Maybe you can recommend some reading material on this division or direct me to a video that explain it? Thank you! S
@@SeekersofUnity Thank you! I will have a read asap. Is this viewpoint accepted by Rabbis and Kabbalists or is it considered a misinterpretation of traditional Kabbalah?
heads up: clicked on your website url 6 times to be sure and each time it took me to an online Canadian casino ...odd. But thought you'd wanna check that out, especially after Angela's scary hack.
Delightful! I would caution listeners that being identified as unfamiliar with mystical experience might elicit Moshe Idel’s happy amusement; there’s mischief in the dismissive wave on his hand! Perhaps, to him mystical experience has such a concrete and central presence it’s not “mystical” in the usual sense. Watch him dance and delight in staying just out of view! He plays this way as a true mystic, a man of koans. Watch Zevi persue him and try to pin him down. He loves it! 21:54
Where would you recommend I study Kabbalah? I'd prefer to study in Israel. I'm not looking for the celebrity version of Kabbalah but something much more authentic.
You mentioned neurology… the information gleaned will only encompass the metaphysical realm of the brain. The mystic exists in the realm of thought, within the mind 4:26
The United States, Declaration of Independence, mentions ‘Nature’s god’. I can imagine the Founding Father’s as Nature Worshipers utilizing ‘magical methods’ to unite with their god and then permanently entrenching it in a document for the common folk. 53:27 💭
Perhaps I'm simply uneducated on the man and his work, but I feel there was a fundamental mistake in this interview. He seemed very clear that he is not a mystic, has no interest in mysticism on a personal level, and is simply a person who enjoys studying mystical texts as a scholarly pursuit completely emotionally removed from the subject matter, however he was interviewed as if he was a mystic of some sort or was mystically inclined. While I don't know his works personally, and I don't doubt the quality of his scholarship, I found his personal views on the subject frustratingly apathetic.
וואו זבי, זה היה קשוח!! אבל עמדת בזה בגבורה. אידל ממש לא עשה לך חיים קלים. אני חושב שזה קשור לכך שאידל הוא ממש אולד סקול. כמה טוב שיש גם את מלילה.😊 שבת שלום.
2 hour interview with Moshe Idel on his life and Kabbalah.
Unbelievable
Enjoyed every minute.
😊
Thank you Zevi! What a lovely gift to those of us so far from the study halls you frequent. I find him delightful. Such a thoughtful brain yet manages not to be too serious/earnest. Quite a skill. And the man is still writing! What tenacity!
Surreal to watch you sit with Prof. Idel and gather as many gems of wisdom as you can before he tells you plainly he's off to go home. I cannot imagine the pressure you must have felt to make every question count.
so true
Like, comment and share for the algo ;) What was your fave moment in the interview?
Check out the rest of the Hartman interview series: ruclips.net/p/PL_7jcKJs6iwX239Hsnl7hG3p9hPB6WQ_k
Did all the above, more to come after 😂
Thank you Zevi. As a novice in this world, I have learned so much color, depth, and harmony to the Jewish scholarly tradition. Thanks again for these remarkable personalities and minds.
You’re very welcome. Thank you for joining us 🙏🏼☺️
These interviews are blowing my mind. Keep it up. You are forming this into a sort of podcast that supplements all the ideas we have been exploring together at a milder but more immersive pace.
I’m enjoying all the personal harmony coming from Jewish mysticism and all the connections made in simple conversation
"When in doubt, double the dose!"
Thanks Zevi this is huge. Will definitely be enjoying over the next few days.
Haven't even begun to listen yet but this quote caught my eyes.....Very, very ballsy. I could say "Oh how this has gotten me in trouble before" but actually it never has. I better listen to the interview so I can hear the quote in the correct context and not ruin something nice with a knee jerk reaction......
@@rishikesh1087 I should clarify that this is a quote by Terrence McKenna and not by one of the interviewers here, I was simply reminded of it at the opening of the interview.
Great interview Zevi! Thanks for getting this done for us! I hope you can mekarev Moshe Idel to fully embrace Judaism in general.
2 hours with Moshe Idel??? Did you have to sell a kidney to make this happen? This video should have ten billion likes. If it ever happens again, I would love further questions about his work on Italian Kabbalah and what he makes of Elliot Wolfson's arguments that Reuchlin was interested in a genuine theurgic kabbalah and not simply a hermeneutic one (as Idel argues makes the difference in his New Perspectives book). Or questions drawing out the differences between his Divine Feminine book and Peter Schafer's work on the Shekhinah in light of High Mariology. Thank you for this great interview!
It's so wonderful to listen to a series that not only teaches but challenges my mind.
Amazig opportunity and really well done!
Thank you Filip. That means a lot.
I love when he (with a smile) schools you on what you don’t know and haven’t read about being Ashkenazi! So good :) We need our learned elders to remind us that we don’t know nearly as much as we think we do.
"Fixed things are easily broken." What a terrific quote!
39:20: "When you use [Abulafia's techniques], you believe that his experience is your experience, and that is also a price."
Very profound thought on the so-called 'scholar/practitioner' divide here. The emic/etic distinction is completely dissolved when we consider how contemporary practice is wrenched out of its original ancient/medieval context. As the idiom goes: "the past is a foreign country," and that is seldom acknowledged by modern practitioners of ancient/medieval techniques, magical, mystical, or otherwise.
Zevi: "What do you think about Perennialism?"
Idel: "I don't accept this way of thinking, I believe that it is an invention." *pops pill, takes a sip*
I don't know why I laughed at this so much, the look on his face was priceless to me.
What a blessing to be able to listen to our beloved Moshe Idel!
Congratulations brother on getting to be speak with such a distinguished guest!🙏
Thank you. It’s a great honor.
I had a Mystic experience of union to the One 8 years ago and I didn't had anything like this during 8 years later. These discussions are very important. Not only for persons who don't know what is God.
Zevi, I loved how he kept insisting publishing a major study every year or two is normal. :P Fabulous interviewed, shared it everywhere!
How exciting! For as long as I've loved this channel (a long time), Zevi has never disappointed!
Thank you so much for this interview. Very insightful and relatable
Oh dear, this is bound to be epic! Thank you oodles for continuing to inspire us all with your dedication and bringing us incredible content
I love this man. No to perennialism and won’t define Kabbalah in basic blocks. What a great mind. ❤❤❤
What a talk.
Prof. Idel definitely knows how to keep an audience on their toes, having no idea what might come out of his mouth next. Between shrugging off psychology and telling you that you have no idea what your roots are, this was a fun one :)
Kol Hakavod on the very elegant interviewing.
☺️🙏🏼
Incredible. What a blessing to be able to be as a fly on the wall for this conversation. Thank you for sharing!
You’re very welcome. Thank you for joining us.
OMG, Professor Idel himself! That's a real treat
What a lovely and humble soul!
Zevi, you're quite prolific yourself! Thank you for your quality, inspiring work🙏❤️
You’re most welcome. Thank you friend 🙏🏼
Oh snap. I love his books. ❤❤❤
Been waiting for this one since the beginning of the series! 😍
Thank You Zevi!!!
How humble. Thank you for this Zevi. I had no idea even how much I needed this.
You’re most welcome. Thank you for joining us 🙏🏼
As a person who has interest in Jewish Mysticism, and as a person who does watch things with the podcast format, I hope this channel doesnt drop its survey content of mysticism in general. i really enjoy the videos examining and explaining the various mystical and philosophical schools throughout history.
Thanks Zevi!
Love your interview style, and the giggles were icing on the cake! That "Next time you have to increase the dose" comment! LOL I hope you can have more interviews like this with other living scholars.
Wow, lots to think about now! Several of his works in my library are definitely on my re-read list, especially his favorite, Messianic Mystics.
Some of the zingers: "I don't know what Reality is..."; "Scholars take mystics too seriously..."; "Unfortunate to say non-dual... I see too many dualities... I don't understand non-duality."
Not really surprised that he espouses a Constructivist view like Katz, or something similar.
Surprised at how humble and relaxed he is.
More please.
Thanks my friend. I’m so glad you enjoyed it. Good to doing this work with people like you around :)
We've been waiting for this interview since the inception of youtube .
Mori Zevi does it again 🙌🏾
Thank you for joining us for it. It’s an honor 🙏🏼
Zeevi, amazing interview. I have much respect for Mr Idel. In regard to the interview, I believe that unity is expressed in diversity or plurality. Meaning that the kabbalist strives to create a unified purpose - to elevate the world to a higher level of being. Tikun olam, olam haba. To realize keter in malchut. The way of creating unity goes by diversity. People can only stay true to their core being, tiferet. I believe Mr Idel's strength is cognitive clarity - the ability to find truth or offer alternative perspective on very difficult to understand topics. By creating plurality, he leads the world to unity. I'm not sure if you can follow my words?
I would love to see an episode on Eastern Orthodox mysticism in comparison to Jewish mysticism.
Yet another amazing interview! There have been so many. I’m so grateful. This interview was enthralling. They all are in different ways. I get so excited when I get a notification from your channel lately. I liked this one a lot. He’s got that mystic vibe. Don’t know how else to explain it. Some people just have it. Also, I couldn’t help but giggle when you told this wonderful 76 year old man that “next time you have to increase the dose” 🤭
So much love to all! Blessings
Thank you for sharing.
With respect, am I allowed to be critical? This man has had no mystical experiences; has not sought a mystical experience (because those who do are, quote, "unhappy"); he just enjoys reading and writing about them. What value did he offer other than being a typical over-intellectual? He basically said there was not much beauty in the Kabbalah. Yet earlier he explained there were many techniques one could use with the Kabbalah to attain mystical states. I would love it if you were to interview someone who actually HAS attained mystical states with the Kabbalah and were open to talk about it, then do some comparative theological discussion afterward. Just saying. But thanks Zevi, love your content.
thank you for sharing this! wow.
You’re most welcome 🙏🏼
@@SeekersofUnity I am almost done with the writing, will donate a some before sending it. Eitherway g-d speed.
Moishe Eidel. This is holy RUclips moment.
Very enjoyable interview!
🙏🏼
Lol moshe Idel is very much the reall deal: unapologetically says what he thinks 😆Got a few chuckles out of some of his responses. but even more than the awesome quirky moments there were some real truth bombs that he subtly dropped which I loved 🌼
For one, his approach to life is so calming because I tend to get 0verwhelmed with the need to figure everything out. so to hear how someone as accomplished as he is say that he Is Ok not knowing everything. And how his Not Knowing is actually what opened up his curiosity and lead him to contributing all that he has. so instead of being overwhelmed with this empty state of Not Knowing, we can see it as in invitation to explore. and not to stress about figuring everything out right away, just like how prof idel didnt even plan to be an author or Kabbalistic researcher- and yet he became a highly respected & well known figure of kabbalah, simply by following his Joys.
Its like, Life is what happens to you while you are trying to figure it all out.
And one day we wake up & we’re that old and have a whole life of accomplishments to look back on that we never even intended to create.
0ur Joys dont lie to us; they guide us to our higher potential if we just let them lead the way~.
Thats the beauty of destiny.
I also appreciated how prof idel reminds us quite a few times in this interview that reality is NOT set. Our eyes may be under the illusion that everything around is is solid & fixed, but as soon as we put it under a microscope we can see how everything truly is just floating particles. Judaism is also always reminding us to get out of this fixed mindset, where we are commanded not to make a carved image of G-d or to do the same for ourselves. The idea is that we are always given the opportunity for renewal. and that is where the greatest growth happens☀ Its this fluidity of life that had us grow from just a seed into the person we are today ~
Idel's comment on “not being for unity” also made me laugh at first but thinking more about it I realize there is great depth behind that thought. At first unity seems like a worthy pursuit but in actuality may not always be the greatest goal.
For example, Evil is not worth uniting with. Or a married couple that is exclusive to one another, shouldn't necessarily be 'uniting' with others at the expense of their relationship.
Even in nature, unity is not always the goal. In science & chemistry not every element can form a covalent bond with one another. Not every element is destined to unite, and if they do, they can sometimes create a destructive force and toxic structures 🜡
That's why Judaism also isn't always pro Unity. although on one hand we have shabbat, a day of complete unity, but on the other hand we have havdala right after, where we are meant to make a separation between the Holy & the Profane, between shabbat and the rest of the week, and not to mix them.
What seems more important than Unity in Judaism is Holiness/ kedusha. And ironically, some of the well known commentators translate the word Kadosh to mean “Separate” - the opposite of unity.
Because Separation is what allows for unity to be Sacred.
Such as in a marriage, by a couple separating themselves from every other person, that is when the couple is truly unified. or by separating ourselves from evil, that is when we can Unite with goodness.
Another great paradox.
A perfect example of knowing a lot, yet understanding nothing (et) all.
splendid thanks 🙏his great wisdom Moche Idel ..but why the first word psychedelix in the title that would scare serious people off ❣
That was amazing…
🕊🦋🌹
☺️🙏🏼
Thank you Zevi, this is amazing and you are such a Mensch! in 2:04 you asked Moshe a question about the two god's in Kabbalah, the Ein Sof and the God creator described in Bereshit. Could you elaborate on that? Maybe you can recommend some reading material on this division or direct me to a video that explain it? Thank you! S
You're most welcome friend. Thanks for joining us.
On the issue of En Sof vs God see: Scholem, Origins of The Kabbalah, 1950, pp. 431-34, 442-43
@@SeekersofUnity Thank you! I will have a read asap.
Is this viewpoint accepted by Rabbis and Kabbalists or is it considered a misinterpretation of traditional Kabbalah?
1:34:16
No man is an island… except a Mystic…
lacking anyone to unite with, except God!
Alright already, here's your algo bump... Now let me watch this amazing video so I can become further enlightened ;-)
לֵב מִמְּךָ מַתּוּק כִּנְשִׁיקָה מֵאֵת יְהוָה
Thanks!
You’re very welcome. Thank you 🙏🏼☺️
I was just thinking about this channel. Its such a blessing that you are still doing the work and seeking wisdom. 🕊️🫂
An impressive mind!
Great talk. Btw, your website link doesn’t work, maybe check out if it’s been hacked or something. כל טוב
Thank you 🙏🏼
heads up: clicked on your website url 6 times to be sure and each time it took me to an online Canadian casino ...odd. But thought you'd wanna check that out, especially after Angela's scary hack.
2:07:40
I love 💕 Kabbalah like a new pair of shoes that fit, just right
Delightful! I would caution listeners that being identified as unfamiliar with mystical experience might elicit Moshe Idel’s happy amusement; there’s mischief in the dismissive wave on his hand! Perhaps, to him mystical experience has such a concrete and central presence it’s not “mystical” in the usual sense. Watch him dance and delight in staying just out of view! He plays this way as a true mystic, a man of koans. Watch Zevi persue him and try to pin him down. He loves it! 21:54
This guy is so cool
Where would you recommend I study Kabbalah? I'd prefer to study in Israel. I'm not looking for the celebrity version of Kabbalah but something much more authentic.
47:45
The Divine and Abulafia was a match made in Heaven
You mentioned neurology… the information gleaned will only encompass the metaphysical realm of the brain. The mystic exists in the realm of thought, within the mind 4:26
Prof Idel is a great scholar and writer on Kabbalah; that said, his writing style can be very difficult to push through.
Have you tried reading Wolfson 😅
I haven’t. I’m bombarded by citations from his books and will possibly endeavor after finishing Idel’s “Primeval Evil in Kabbalah.
42:47 I am curious if your guest experienced a shock to his sensibilities during his time in the army?
Moshe's da man 👍
The Man, the Myth, the Legend.
Where is the part of the psychedelics?
Interesting
If you can’t be in the presence of God all the time, you can at least be in the presence of a perennial flower 🌹 1:03:06
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Commenting 😊
Legendary 😉
The United States, Declaration of Independence, mentions ‘Nature’s god’.
I can imagine the Founding Father’s as Nature Worshipers utilizing ‘magical methods’ to unite with their god and then permanently entrenching it in a document for the common folk. 53:27 💭
Reality is to real it with a y. And that brings the quest i on. Unity involves u n i ty the nots. A k in a not is a kink is it not?
Who’s higher than Prof. Idel! You can’t top this! The only thing that can is an actual Kabbalist.
48:24 Webster!
"...but you have your own inner life..." around 1:12 - good interviewing. Too bad it didn't work.
Really good interview
Zevi rules 🤘🏻
53:38
Grace connects the Christian to the source of the Collective Unconscious: Judaism’s Creation Story
Perhaps I'm simply uneducated on the man and his work, but I feel there was a fundamental mistake in this interview. He seemed very clear that he is not a mystic, has no interest in mysticism on a personal level, and is simply a person who enjoys studying mystical texts as a scholarly pursuit completely emotionally removed from the subject matter, however he was interviewed as if he was a mystic of some sort or was mystically inclined. While I don't know his works personally, and I don't doubt the quality of his scholarship, I found his personal views on the subject frustratingly apathetic.
a finder.
וואו זבי, זה היה קשוח!! אבל עמדת בזה בגבורה. אידל ממש לא עשה לך חיים קלים. אני חושב שזה קשור לכך שאידל הוא ממש אולד סקול. כמה טוב שיש גם את מלילה.😊
שבת שלום.
Jesus is the Messiah your making a huge mistake