I look forward to the day we can see custom builds with actual physical APUs we can drop in like current ones. That amount of power in the hands of consumers sounds crazy
@@davefroman4700 Not really. The 5700G was the latest one with a decent GPU, but that's still of a very old Vega design which is nowhere near the 780M, or even the older 680M, in terms of performance.
@@davefroman4700 No they don't. These are SoC chips - monolithic single-die CPUs with integrated chipsets for maximum power efficiency. AMD haven't yet released the AM5-packaged APU variants without the chipset for compatibility with regular desktop motherboards - and we have no idea when that'll happen.
@@stoneymahoney9106 I heard the successor to the 5700G aka Phoenix APUs w/ RDNA 3.0 iGPU for the Desktop G series are coming out end of this year 2023. Maybe it will be labelled as the Ryzen 7 7700G?
Please start including the fan db. It is important to know how loud each mini PC fan are. It would also be useful to benchmark at 45W TDP and another lower option if available. Finally a Linux compatibility test is a really nice to have.
A proprietary power supply is never going to go down well, especially when USB-C can also deliver 100 watts. I would like to see the full spec of USB 3.2 ports because there are multiple speed types.
*_Just get the latest one, take good care of it, and sell it when a newer one comes out. These hold their value very well if you get rid of them within 2-3 years. 👍_*
I had many laptops, the last one was a Dell XPS that I sold to buy a Beelink ryzen 7 5800H and I love it, it is powerful and very quiet, I recommend the mini pc, it is the format of the future
Hearing you changed from a nice Dell XPS to a Beelink and be really happy with it sounds really great. Althrough I prefer laptops, ultimately mini PCs are doing great, specially since the efficient and powerfull Apple M series, and AMD CPUs that forced Intel to get better (sweet moment in the CPU wars). Between Mini PCs, Beelink it's really doing it great. I think GTR7 in silver colour looks nice and will fit elegant in my own office environment. Dell, Lenovo and HP mini PCs equivalents cost much more for less. Since I own a small office I don't need the mass deployment support, and feels great to support a new brand. The only doubt it's about getting the GTR7 or Minisforum UM790. I don't know if I should trust on Minisforum since they run problems with their small units, but from early reviews seems to be resolved.
@@estebanclemente My Dell XPS with its 15-inch screen was too small for my eyes, so I wanted a desktop and I bought Beelink because it is a brand that has been manufacturing mini-pc for a long time, I am very happy and surprised with how powerful the Ryzen 7 is. This Beelink is very quiet, does not heat at all and is very fast
they knocked nothing out of the park... when I go to their website I cannot buy bare bones. I am forced to buy their 32 GB ram and 1tb SSD. I would rather install my own. Those parts 'they supply' will be worthlessly cheap and I would rather put in parts I trust instead. Until I can get bare bones or they offer to source parts I trust I am not buying anything from them... and I doubt I will be the only one. And like others have said the "proprietary" power is almost a hard no on it's own. I am not spending that kind of money for something like this. It would be better to just buy a handheld and plug that up to a dock.
@@CD-vb9fi You're a snobby power user. Don't use the proprietary power plug and just use one of the USBC 4.0 ports in the back, they handle power up to 100 W. For the average user like me, who had never had a gaming PC because I hated the huge tower form factor, beelink has made the perfect mini gaming PC. I bought it 2 weeks ago and I'm having a blast playing GTA V and RDR 2.
@@RTYB I have a policy of not supporting "unique" components. USB ports are flaky... I have seen many of them go bad far more frequently than power connector dedicated to power. Everything time we vote with our wallets to make things proprietary... the industry listens. We already have a problem with this... we don't need more.
@@sixdonuts Get outta here with that nonsense question. I have fixed more computers than you have probably laid eyes on. I said the power connector/supply is what was unique, not the USB port, please pay attention. And yes... USB ports are flaky... I have seen numerous USB ports and USB attached devices fail... a lot of them with problems surrounding the ports/connectors/controllers. To many are being made with cheap components so they fail often. That said... I can live with USB power... I would rather they provided power over USB than the propriety madness but it will not change my opinion that USB is not a reliable interface. Heck... USB is made so flimsy that you can brick a laptop over USB using a "USB Killer". It's one thing to be able to fry out the port... but the whole device? It's all wasteful and proprietary components and flaky components generate a lot of waste!
Out of personal interest, here are the comparative benchmark scores for the Steam Deck: Geekbench: - Single-Core 781 vs. 2352 - Multi-Core 2715 vs. 10293 3DMark Fire Strike: - Overall: 4342 vs. 7201 - Graphics score: 4856 vs. 7817 - Physics score: 11089 vs 22690 - Combined: 1605 vs. 2754 3DMark TimeSpy: - Overall: 1722 vs. 3237 - Graphics score: 1578 vs. 2903 - CPU score: 3581 vs. 9347
Although this is VERY impressive. It makes me think that the Xbox Series S truly is the greatest small form factor machine you can currently buy. It maxes out at 75 Watts, is smaller than most shoeboxes, costs about £100/$130 used and will play modern games at 60FPS in 1080p no problems. It really is a great machine.
Only problem with Xbox. Is it does not run windows. So other than gaming you can't do anything else. You have to keep in mind people don't buy these computers just for gaming.
i love that gtr6 its has 4 hdmi ports and u can go crazy with multi screens this gtr7 new chip is super solid and that new heat vapor sink is a beastttt
It would be great if you could test these mini pcs for streaming and content creation purposes too. Such as using it as the only device for both gameplay and streaming (and obviously video editing) or using it as the second pc in dual pc streaming setups (with help of external capture card). I kind of lack the budget to upgrade my current pc and wondering if these mini pcs would be a help for me or not (I also don't have space for a second mid tower case in my room). Thanks
It's weird that I'm always seeing those "great mini PC but it could be better with (specific spec)" comments on this channel when a new mini PC is released. Beside the HX99G, there will never be a mini PC with the perfect specs. Just buy whatever's current.
@@astrals6807 the problem is, since you are sharing system ram with GPU, you want the fastest Ram available DDR5X @7500mhz, I don't know why they keep putting 4800mhz or 5600mhz ram. Look at the Aya Neo 2S with DDR5X 7500mhz ram, the performance is fantastic.
I have a Minisforum UM690 and I love it... I'm waiting for the HOPEFULLY COMING 7940HS with an RDNA3 mobile GPU... I pulled the trigger before they released the 6900HX model with USB4 but I use the USB4 for a DP hub with 3 LCDs... The HX99 is a 1080p Ultra machine with a 6600M and a 7700M or 7700S with Ryzen 7000 will probably do 1440P Ultra or High... I just realized that the need for large cases was HDDs, but with a 2TB stick of gum sized NVMe I'll probably never buy anything but MiniPCs...
Exactly. You're within like $100-200 of a full fledged laptop at that point. And so then why not buy something like the Framework 13 which you can use as a laptop now, and then convert to a mini PC in a few years.
Not actually too bad. You will get your money back on your electric if you live in certain countries at the minute. As APUs get better more and more people will move away from tower PCs. People are just waiting for that APUs that can deliver. What has pushed APUs on massively is DDR5 becoming standard.
Thanks for the video. Is there any possibility to lower the idle power consumption? I mean this is a laptop apu, right? No Laptop would manage to get any good battery life with that amount of idle power draw.
As both a Beelink & Minis Forum customer, I will NEVER buy any product with a proprietary power supply connector. If anything happens to it, you have only one option for a replacement assuming these companies exist in a few years. I wish you would compare Benchmarks with other products you reviewed. For viewers, the GTR7 has slightly worse benchmarks in EVERY category (Geekbench single/multi, 3D Mark, etc) than the Minis Forum UM790M. They are both relatively close so I'd just buy whichever one is cheaper. All else being equal, the UM790M has better performance. And for comparison, at these prelaunch prices the Beelink GTR7 = $789 and the Minis Forum UM790 is $699 (both with 32GB / 1 TB). So why would anyone pay $90 more for a worse performing product? This is why your reviews should compare products. Right now it seems like the intention is to always remain super positive and direct people to the affiliate links to buy the product. I'd rather see you posting competitors in each class of product and showing which one is the best.
Hi there. Just my 2 cents. But see things like APUs...Even with current consoles (Switch/Xbox OneS/ PS5 and XboxOne on "Quality" Modes) aiming for 30fps some times, apart from competitive games and FPSs, you really should try and aim for a locked 30fps for single player type experiences in your benchmarks. Forza, Red Dead and Cyberpunk are good examples. A lot of bargain basement gamers don't mind 30 fps if they can play the latest games (just ask Xbox One S users). I'd love to see the graphics cranked up at 1080p or higher to see what these games can achieve on these chips. I just think 1080p/30 fps is a more realistic target on APUs as opposed to the holy grail of 60fps. Know what I mean? PS Love your channel. Watch almost everything you post. The latest handheld PCs really intrigue me. Keep being awesome.
A humble request I can feel the neat look with the white background of ur video but it hurts while I'm watching ur video during night can u plz use some other color as the background
For the size of the chassis I am disappointed at no 2.5" drive support. I still like to use my 2 existing drives in my current minisforum. Pity. I thought this was the one!
Looks decent and sort of low price. USB 4 that is Thunderbolt 4? So you can hook up an External GPU? Or you could hook up PCI 4 SSD with this to occulink? But the RDNA 3+ GPU is like a GTX 1060 card? thanks for explaining...bye
Another great one! So.. for SF6 why does it look so INCREDIBLY soft? Does low just use like FSR automatically or something? You say 1080p but that looks like.... 480p, where other captures look native.
Do you get better performance disabling any of those CPU cores? It seems like in a power/thermal limited package, 8 cores would be overkill and possibly could hurt performance.
Please on the next video about emulation, would be nice to at least mention the average fps 1080p on botw-cemu and totk-yuzu. Im currently looking to buy one of these for playing zelda at 60fps 1080p on my TV with batocera-linux for a more console like experience.
Aside from the regular review, what any analysis of the phoenix apus with XDNA? What advantages or disadvantages of that? Any apps using that? We all already know zen4/rdna3
I know it’s a big ask, but I’d love to hear about how Final Fantasy XIV (the MMORPG) run on handhelds and these APU PC’s. Even just one alliance dungeon plus Limsa Lominsa (Atheryte area) during peak hours would give FF14 players a really good idea about the overall performance
While you are at it, can you pick some games that you can run via Proton on Linux and compare the performance ? I have the 5600H on Linux and so far I am amazed how well Proton is doing on Linux. Maybe I was just lucky with my game selection but so far everything worked 100% ....
the proprietary power supply is not good, finally usb-c is somewhat unified to be able to deliver upto 100W so why go backwards? also can you confirm the usb-c ports support video output? looking for a tiny one with four monitor support and most have dp+hdmi or two hdmis and one usb-c with dp support but nobody can confirm if it supports MST functionality to connect two monitors via daisychaining
Couldn't agree more. I have a LG monitor which can deliver 100 Watts. With two USB4/c at the back, it would be very handy. However, the specs say: USB4(40Gbps/TB3/PD100W/DP1.4) There's no mention of PD/ALT-mode (the video out and powered by monitor), aka one cable solution. Its main rival, the Minisforum UM780/790 does show this on their website: USB Port x2 (Alt PD). Sadly, only located on the front, which is fine for an external GPU, but less ideal for a monitor connection. Anyhow, I'd like to see if the Beelink supports this too
price is similar to an ROG ally and performance seems about the same. Hard to justify when i can buy the Ally and it comes with a nice VRR screen and controller as well.
I really like the design of Beelink Mini PCs. I recently bought a GTR6 Pro 7735HS which included a USB 4.0 port. It was terrific value for money. I originally replaced the installed Windows 11 Pro with a gaming focused Nobaru 37 Linux distro which installed out of the box. Beelink also provided good and prompt technical support when I needed to reinstall Windows 11 Pro. This new Mini-PC looks to be an excellent unit. I am really interested in the GTR7 Pro Ryzen 7940HS. The 2x USB-C ports are USB 4.0 on the GTR7 Pro 7940HS, is this also true for the GTR7 7840HS model?
I would love to know how well it can use hardware transcoding in Jellyfin, I read that AMD had issues before but maybe that changed with the new hardware…
Tnx for review! It's interesting, if you will disable 2 cores or at least assign games on 6 of 8 games with some 3rd party app will it push its cpu or/and gpu clock higher and as result - higher performance? There is a small amount of games that needed all 8c/16t power, and AMD combining its top igpu only with 8c models.
Power consumption is also important for people who are 100% off-grid, so all of this computing and graphics power for under 100W it's really amazing. Is there even a CPU + external GPU that can equal or beat the 7840HS for 100W or less?
I have an Asus pro art usb-c monitor which has specs that say it can deliver a total of 90w over usb-c (higher than the usual 65w of other monitors). Would I be able to power this mini-desktop over the USB-C of my monitor, or does it absolutely require using the external plug?
I really don't get the magnetic power input, why not simply make it PD USB 4? PD can charge up to 130W now. And they should have tuned the power consumption to run on 90W and 65W so users can do one cable with more USB C monitor.
How reliable are these little things, trying to help a friend out as best as I can. He just wants something simple and not too complicated, that he can afford and will allow him to play a few steam games.
Man I really like that case the vent is slick but some of these mini's are going for just as much if not more than some PC'S with more core's and a removable GPU'S.
Needs a Proxmox treatment. This would be a great server hosting machine with 16 threads. It would be nice to test Plex transcoding too. They had some good developments in making RDNA GPUs transcode video.
Something that is not clear, is you show a short time of a game. at lest you should show 1' 30" -2' until the temperature can after a 2' (minutes). in several second is not enough to see
I'm hoping we start seeing products with the 7945 and 7845. Having a 24 and 32 thread Ryzen mini pc would be great for production and light gaming on the side.
I just want to know if whether you watch your own videos. You claim this is the most powerful rdna3 pc, but the aya neo 2 has higher cpu scores and its like 100 -200 points lower in the gpu scores thats shown in your videos. Idk its not necessarily a bad thing its just that I feel like Im seeing the same product reviewed like 50 times.
The magnetic power supply lead appears to be something you can bypass with different wiring. Is that something you can investigate to see if that is the case? Or is this a loaner that you have to send back? Proprietary power supplies or other components are a deal breaker for a lot of people. Brings up the bad memories of Compaq, HP, Lenovo, etc.
hello ETA as from the sound of your voice I was wondering if you are this one guy that raps in the video from the one convention asmongold watched. best regards
Now for a emulator/movie box this should be great. But for my wife I sometimes need to edit some videos and on our old laptop that takes long. And if I mess something up have to do it over again haha. Would this pack enough power to do some video editing? Not professional. And also I would like to see what kind of games it could play if ur lucky enough to have a full size gpu. Over usb4. Hooked up
Admittingly, a bit of an overkill, this mini pc will eventually replace my current HTPC. Powerful enough as a media server to stream 4K/120hz av1 and x265 media real-time while also functioning as a network backup DAS, plus plays the occasional game as a bonus. It's too pricey at the moment but I'll keep an eye out for price drops.
@@dinozaurpickupline4221 Currently running a Plex Server and JRiver Media Center for audio, although Roon does look interesting. Just a small home 8-10 device network. More as a hobby than anything else.
@@dinozaurpickupline4221 I haven't done heavy daily downloads as of late. I may get back to doing more when I upgrade. AV1 has sparked my interests again.
Dude it'd be great to compare this with Z1 extreme Rog Ally. A side by side test would be great. It'll garner insurmountable views to you. Please Dude. Do it for us.
I look forward to the day we can see custom builds with actual physical APUs we can drop in like current ones. That amount of power in the hands of consumers sounds crazy
You can right now. AMD already has desktop variants of these chips.
@@davefroman4700 do you know what those are called? Is it the cpus with a g at the end?
@@davefroman4700 Not really. The 5700G was the latest one with a decent GPU, but that's still of a very old Vega design which is nowhere near the 780M, or even the older 680M, in terms of performance.
@@davefroman4700 No they don't. These are SoC chips - monolithic single-die CPUs with integrated chipsets for maximum power efficiency. AMD haven't yet released the AM5-packaged APU variants without the chipset for compatibility with regular desktop motherboards - and we have no idea when that'll happen.
@@stoneymahoney9106 I heard the successor to the 5700G aka Phoenix APUs w/ RDNA 3.0 iGPU for the Desktop G series are coming out end of this year 2023. Maybe it will be labelled as the Ryzen 7 7700G?
As I mentioned in an older video, it would be nice to comment on the temperature, noise and linux compatibility as well.
Would you like him to cook you a fancy dinner as well?
@@luissoto5942 I don’t feel it’s too much more to add some RUclipsr like input on videos even if they don’t use it sometimes
Linux is lame. Get on Windows and stop trying to rebel to your parents.
He mentioned all of those in the video
4:45 it's not indepth but you can make a pretty good assumption based off what he says.
@@HemiHentai would you like him to go to your house and make love to your wife as well?
I'd love to see some emulation running on this and the Minisforum UM790.
Please start including the fan db. It is important to know how loud each mini PC fan are.
It would also be useful to benchmark at 45W TDP and another lower option if available.
Finally a Linux compatibility test is a really nice to have.
A proprietary power supply is never going to go down well, especially when USB-C can also deliver 100 watts. I would like to see the full spec of USB 3.2 ports because there are multiple speed types.
Agree, just do four USB 4 with PD 100W if not 130W and all four USB A should be at least 5Gbps if not 10.
Does anyone know if you can power through usb-c? That proprietary plug is such a bummer
@@glossyfpv1155 From what I know, both usb-c ports on the back can be used for power.
The two usb-c ports on the back both work for power delivery.
@@px7355 if that's the case, then that's perfect. Im gonna have to do some more research on it
Beelink stepped up their game. That's actually nice looking
still can not decide which mini pc to buy... it seems every day a new one comes out 😪
lol ikr
same, it's horrible
*_Just get the latest one, take good care of it, and sell it when a newer one comes out. These hold their value very well if you get rid of them within 2-3 years. 👍_*
They're pretty cheap just get a few 😉
thanks for all the great vids.a huge fan from the phillipines.keep up the good work and God bless you.
I had many laptops, the last one was a Dell XPS that I sold to buy a Beelink ryzen 7 5800H and I love it, it is powerful and very quiet, I recommend the mini pc, it is the format of the future
Hearing you changed from a nice Dell XPS to a Beelink and be really happy with it sounds really great. Althrough I prefer laptops, ultimately mini PCs are doing great, specially since the efficient and powerfull Apple M series, and AMD CPUs that forced Intel to get better (sweet moment in the CPU wars). Between Mini PCs, Beelink it's really doing it great. I think GTR7 in silver colour looks nice and will fit elegant in my own office environment. Dell, Lenovo and HP mini PCs equivalents cost much more for less. Since I own a small office I don't need the mass deployment support, and feels great to support a new brand.
The only doubt it's about getting the GTR7 or Minisforum UM790. I don't know if I should trust on Minisforum since they run problems with their small units, but from early reviews seems to be resolved.
@@estebanclemente My Dell XPS with its 15-inch screen was too small for my eyes, so I wanted a desktop and I bought Beelink because it is a brand that has been manufacturing mini-pc for a long time, I am very happy and surprised with how powerful the Ryzen 7 is. This Beelink is very quiet, does not heat at all and is very fast
Beelink has really knocked this one out of the park. This thing seems really well designed and is a processing monster.
they knocked nothing out of the park... when I go to their website I cannot buy bare bones. I am forced to buy their 32 GB ram and 1tb SSD. I would rather install my own. Those parts 'they supply' will be worthlessly cheap and I would rather put in parts I trust instead. Until I can get bare bones or they offer to source parts I trust I am not buying anything from them... and I doubt I will be the only one. And like others have said the "proprietary" power is almost a hard no on it's own. I am not spending that kind of money for something like this. It would be better to just buy a handheld and plug that up to a dock.
@@CD-vb9fi You're a snobby power user. Don't use the proprietary power plug and just use one of the USBC 4.0 ports in the back, they handle power up to 100 W.
For the average user like me, who had never had a gaming PC because I hated the huge tower form factor, beelink has made the perfect mini gaming PC. I bought it 2 weeks ago and I'm having a blast playing GTA V and RDR 2.
@@RTYB I have a policy of not supporting "unique" components. USB ports are flaky... I have seen many of them go bad far more frequently than power connector dedicated to power. Everything time we vote with our wallets to make things proprietary... the industry listens. We already have a problem with this... we don't need more.
@@CD-vb9fi USB ports are unique? USB ports are flakey? Are you sure you have used a computer in the last 20 years?
@@sixdonuts Get outta here with that nonsense question. I have fixed more computers than you have probably laid eyes on.
I said the power connector/supply is what was unique, not the USB port, please pay attention. And yes... USB ports are flaky... I have seen numerous USB ports and USB attached devices fail... a lot of them with problems surrounding the ports/connectors/controllers. To many are being made with cheap components so they fail often.
That said... I can live with USB power... I would rather they provided power over USB than the propriety madness but it will not change my opinion that USB is not a reliable interface.
Heck... USB is made so flimsy that you can brick a laptop over USB using a "USB Killer". It's one thing to be able to fry out the port... but the whole device?
It's all wasteful and proprietary components and flaky components generate a lot of waste!
GT7 Pro in Lava Orange is on order! these things are fantastic! The finger print reader needs a Linux driver though, otherwise so so good!
Out of personal interest, here are the comparative benchmark scores for the Steam Deck:
Geekbench:
- Single-Core 781 vs. 2352
- Multi-Core 2715 vs. 10293
3DMark Fire Strike:
- Overall: 4342 vs. 7201
- Graphics score: 4856 vs. 7817
- Physics score: 11089 vs 22690
- Combined: 1605 vs. 2754
3DMark TimeSpy:
- Overall: 1722 vs. 3237
- Graphics score: 1578 vs. 2903
- CPU score: 3581 vs. 9347
@@thomasmccormack4796 low = steamdeck
I've read the memories of this mini pc is getting closer to 95C. Would it cause any issues in a heavy load usage?
I'd definitely like to see this tested at a higher wattage! Thanks for the review.
how does UM790 compare to this ?
That's the video we want to see!
The i/o
💯💯💯
I would like to see maximum RAM overclocking and maximum TDP settings.
Waiting on um790 to arrive
Although this is VERY impressive. It makes me think that the Xbox Series S truly is the greatest small form factor machine you can currently buy. It maxes out at 75 Watts, is smaller than most shoeboxes, costs about £100/$130 used and will play modern games at 60FPS in 1080p no problems. It really is a great machine.
I hid mine away from my sister in a shoebox that isn't even that big
Only problem with Xbox. Is it does not run windows. So other than gaming you can't do anything else.
You have to keep in mind people don't buy these computers just for gaming.
can you do a list of mini pcs based on top scores when it comes to gpu cpu
i love that gtr6
its has 4 hdmi ports and u can go crazy with multi screens
this gtr7 new chip is super solid and that new heat vapor sink is a beastttt
GTR7 also supports four-screen display😎
@@Beelinkchannel make your GTR7 support usb-c power input through usb4 ports... this will be a killer feature
I would like to see Oculink on this minipc, to see how much improvement can we get
It would be great if you could test these mini pcs for streaming and content creation purposes too. Such as using it as the only device for both gameplay and streaming (and obviously video editing) or using it as the second pc in dual pc streaming setups (with help of external capture card). I kind of lack the budget to upgrade my current pc and wondering if these mini pcs would be a help for me or not (I also don't have space for a second mid tower case in my room). Thanks
I don't think it is that powerful for video streaming + game play at the same time
Great mini pc, can imagine performance would be better with 7500mt RAM 😊
It's weird that I'm always seeing those "great mini PC but it could be better with (specific spec)" comments on this channel when a new mini PC is released.
Beside the HX99G, there will never be a mini PC with the perfect specs. Just buy whatever's current.
@@astrals6807 the problem is, since you are sharing system ram with GPU, you want the fastest Ram available DDR5X @7500mhz, I don't know why they keep putting 4800mhz or 5600mhz ram.
Look at the Aya Neo 2S with DDR5X 7500mhz ram, the performance is fantastic.
nice video, love this mini pcs, this has support for egpu? would be nice to have a video testing this kind of performance
65w cooling is impressive result, not every big ass laptop can handle same
big ass can handle 150-175W
@@ordinarygg yeah i know, thats why i said *every*
I have a Minisforum UM690 and I love it... I'm waiting for the HOPEFULLY COMING 7940HS with an RDNA3 mobile GPU... I pulled the trigger before they released the 6900HX model with USB4 but I use the USB4 for a DP hub with 3 LCDs... The HX99 is a 1080p Ultra machine with a 6600M and a 7700M or 7700S with Ryzen 7000 will probably do 1440P Ultra or High...
I just realized that the need for large cases was HDDs, but with a 2TB stick of gum sized NVMe I'll probably never buy anything but MiniPCs...
I love the idea of these things but the price is truly staggering.
Exactly. You're within like $100-200 of a full fledged laptop at that point. And so then why not buy something like the Framework 13 which you can use as a laptop now, and then convert to a mini PC in a few years.
Not actually too bad. You will get your money back on your electric if you live in certain countries at the minute. As APUs get better more and more people will move away from tower PCs. People are just waiting for that APUs that can deliver. What has pushed APUs on massively is DDR5 becoming standard.
Thanks for the video. Is there any possibility to lower the idle power consumption? I mean this is a laptop apu, right? No Laptop would manage to get any good battery life with that amount of idle power draw.
does the manufacturer provides support for the pc? especially bios updates?
Loved it, especially the color, this thing is a beast, would definitely like to see Linux running on it.
I'm curious to see if this thing can play Diablo 4 at full 1080p. Could be pretty nice!
Beelink made a big deal about how quiet their fan is. It’s worth testing this claim.
As both a Beelink & Minis Forum customer, I will NEVER buy any product with a proprietary power supply connector. If anything happens to it, you have only one option for a replacement assuming these companies exist in a few years.
I wish you would compare Benchmarks with other products you reviewed. For viewers, the GTR7 has slightly worse benchmarks in EVERY category (Geekbench single/multi, 3D Mark, etc) than the Minis Forum UM790M. They are both relatively close so I'd just buy whichever one is cheaper. All else being equal, the UM790M has better performance. And for comparison, at these prelaunch prices the Beelink GTR7 = $789 and the Minis Forum UM790 is $699 (both with 32GB / 1 TB).
So why would anyone pay $90 more for a worse performing product? This is why your reviews should compare products. Right now it seems like the intention is to always remain super positive and direct people to the affiliate links to buy the product. I'd rather see you posting competitors in each class of product and showing which one is the best.
Hi there.
Just my 2 cents.
But see things like APUs...Even with current consoles (Switch/Xbox OneS/ PS5 and XboxOne on "Quality" Modes) aiming for 30fps some times, apart from competitive games and FPSs, you really should try and aim for a locked 30fps for single player type experiences in your benchmarks.
Forza, Red Dead and Cyberpunk are good examples. A lot of bargain basement gamers don't mind 30 fps if they can play the latest games (just ask Xbox One S users).
I'd love to see the graphics cranked up at 1080p or higher to see what these games can achieve on these chips.
I just think 1080p/30 fps is a more realistic target on APUs as opposed to the holy grail of 60fps.
Know what I mean?
PS Love your channel. Watch almost everything you post. The latest handheld PCs really intrigue me. Keep being awesome.
Thanks for your video, wich SSD 2280 is in place with thi mini pc ? A crucial or another ? Speed. HAve a nice day
Thank you for the great content.
would be appreciated if you could include SSD read/writes tests and the disk model as well.
A humble request I can feel the neat look with the white background of ur video but it hurts while I'm watching ur video during night can u plz use some other color as the background
always awesome reviews
On your next video, please show the cooling system under the top of the case. :)
For the size of the chassis I am disappointed at no 2.5" drive support. I still like to use my 2 existing drives in my current minisforum. Pity. I thought this was the one!
Does lowering the wattage below 65W also reduce the GPU performance?
Looks decent and sort of low price. USB 4 that is Thunderbolt 4? So you can hook up an External GPU? Or you could hook up PCI 4 SSD with this to occulink? But the RDNA 3+ GPU is like a GTX 1060 card? thanks for explaining...bye
Another great one! So.. for SF6 why does it look so INCREDIBLY soft? Does low just use like FSR automatically or something? You say 1080p but that looks like.... 480p, where other captures look native.
Nice overall package. But these AMD APU's in mini PC's needs more advanced cooling to show their true performance. Good review as usual 👍
Do you get better performance disabling any of those CPU cores? It seems like in a power/thermal limited package, 8 cores would be overkill and possibly could hurt performance.
Can you test some Ray tracing settings, would like to see the impact on new RA cores
$789.00 USD
Please on the next video about emulation, would be nice to at least mention the average fps 1080p on botw-cemu and totk-yuzu. Im currently looking to buy one of these for playing zelda at 60fps 1080p on my TV with batocera-linux for a more console like experience.
How does the 7904HS compare to the 7840HS? Is it worth spending the extra money for the performance difference?
mini pc is the future, I really hope low end mini pc has thunderbolt or usb 4. or even a m.2 slot but in a form of SD card slot.
Yes, yes yes overclocking⚡️⚡️⚡️
This would be perfect for a diy handheld or small laptop would love to try it.
Aside from the regular review, what any analysis of the phoenix apus with XDNA? What advantages or disadvantages of that? Any apps using that? We all already know zen4/rdna3
I am waiting for a minipc with an apu that can be a comparable alternative game console to the ps5 but running steam. Maybe another year away?
I know it’s a big ask, but I’d love to hear about how Final Fantasy XIV (the MMORPG) run on handhelds and these APU PC’s.
Even just one alliance dungeon plus Limsa Lominsa (Atheryte area) during peak hours would give FF14 players a really good idea about the overall performance
What a SUPER cool lil PC
@ETA Prime, is that 8 Gig of video shared with the 32 Gigs totally memory like other Beelink devices?
Hi I don’t think you mentioned whether the HDMI will do 4k120……..thinking of using this for gfn ultimate
While you are at it, can you pick some games that you can run via Proton on Linux and compare the performance ? I have the 5600H on Linux and so far I am amazed how well Proton is doing on Linux. Maybe I was just lucky with my game selection but so far everything worked 100% ....
this one looks so fuckin good for NO REASON LMAO the plug!! itd be nice if there were one w/o the logos
Do you think it will play PS3 & 360 games? Switch??
the proprietary power supply is not good, finally usb-c is somewhat unified to be able to deliver upto 100W so why go backwards? also can you confirm the usb-c ports support video output? looking for a tiny one with four monitor support and most have dp+hdmi or two hdmis and one usb-c with dp support but nobody can confirm if it supports MST functionality to connect two monitors via daisychaining
Couldn't agree more. I have a LG monitor which can deliver 100 Watts. With two USB4/c at the back, it would be very handy.
However, the specs say: USB4(40Gbps/TB3/PD100W/DP1.4)
There's no mention of PD/ALT-mode (the video out and powered by monitor), aka one cable solution.
Its main rival, the Minisforum UM780/790 does show this on their website: USB Port x2 (Alt PD). Sadly, only located on the front, which is fine for an external GPU, but less ideal for a monitor connection.
Anyhow, I'd like to see if the Beelink supports this too
price is similar to an ROG ally and performance seems about the same. Hard to justify when i can buy the Ally and it comes with a nice VRR screen and controller as well.
Yeah I was gonna say pretty much this.
I really like the design of Beelink Mini PCs. I recently bought a GTR6 Pro 7735HS which included a USB 4.0 port. It was terrific value for money. I originally replaced the installed Windows 11 Pro with a gaming focused Nobaru 37 Linux distro which installed out of the box. Beelink also provided good and prompt technical support when I needed to reinstall Windows 11 Pro. This new Mini-PC looks to be an excellent unit. I am really interested in the GTR7 Pro Ryzen 7940HS. The 2x USB-C ports are USB 4.0 on the GTR7 Pro 7940HS, is this also true for the GTR7 7840HS model?
According to their specs, the 2 rear USB C ports on the 7840HS model are indeed USB 4.0. The front is just listed as USB C so not sure on that one.
I am planning on buying the 7940 HS mini PC.
i need to ask, what do you do with the devices after reviews?
I would love to know how well it can use hardware transcoding in Jellyfin, I read that AMD had issues before but maybe that changed with the new hardware…
Not a big fan of proprietary power connectors, but I'm cool with it if you can also power it through USB-C.
You can't
7840HS is basically a 7840u with higher TDP right?
Do any of the 3 USB C ports support Thunderbolt? I was kinda disappointed by this not being a feature of the GTR6 that I bought back in January,.
Tnx for review! It's interesting, if you will disable 2 cores or at least assign games on 6 of 8 games with some 3rd party app will it push its cpu or/and gpu clock higher and as result - higher performance? There is a small amount of games that needed all 8c/16t power, and AMD combining its top igpu only with 8c models.
The 8840 version of this will be crazy good. 4 more cores, 4 more gpu cores and a litle bit of rdna 4 magic to boost the rdna 3 goodness we have.
Power consumption is also important for people who are 100% off-grid, so all of this computing and graphics power for under 100W it's really amazing. Is there even a CPU + external GPU that can equal or beat the 7840HS for 100W or less?
I have an Asus pro art usb-c monitor which has specs that say it can deliver a total of 90w over usb-c (higher than the usual 65w of other monitors). Would I be able to power this mini-desktop over the USB-C of my monitor, or does it absolutely require using the external plug?
Cant wait to see emulation performance under Linux
Is the GPU somehow "overclockable"? If the cooling is good maybe you can try to push it even further i guess
I really don't get the magnetic power input, why not simply make it PD USB 4? PD can charge up to 130W now. And they should have tuned the power consumption to run on 90W and 65W so users can do one cable with more USB C monitor.
How reliable are these little things, trying to help a friend out as best as I can. He just wants something simple and not too complicated, that he can afford and will allow him to play a few steam games.
Every day comes the next best thing. Kind of sad but great video.
Can you OC the iGPU to 3000mhz? And I would love to see a higher power test with the unit, wish the power adapter was stronger :/
These thing is a beast 🔥 temp only 65°C play tripple A games 😱
Man I really like that case the vent is slick but some of these mini's are going for just as much if not more than some PC'S with more core's and a removable GPU'S.
It looks great, the io is ample and the gaming looks good.
Needs a Proxmox treatment. This would be a great server hosting machine with 16 threads. It would be nice to test Plex transcoding too. They had some good developments in making RDNA GPUs transcode video.
How would a game like Rocket League perform with these specs on medium settings? Like how much FPS would it get?
Please, external GPU test, if possible... That was a direction I'm looking at versus a full desktop (microATX)
Something that is not clear, is you show a short time of a game. at lest you should show 1' 30" -2' until the temperature can after a 2' (minutes). in several second is not enough to see
IDK. I'm thinking that orange adds like, 3-5 fps.
Can you do video editing on these amazing apu?
To confirm they are really Mac mini killer.
I'm hoping we start seeing products with the 7945 and 7845. Having a 24 and 32 thread Ryzen mini pc would be great for production and light gaming on the side.
can it run nfs unbound?
I just want to know if whether you watch your own videos. You claim this is the most powerful rdna3 pc, but the aya neo 2 has higher cpu scores and its like 100 -200 points lower in the gpu scores thats shown in your videos. Idk its not necessarily a bad thing its just that I feel like Im seeing the same product reviewed like 50 times.
The magnetic power supply lead appears to be something you can bypass with different wiring. Is that something you can investigate to see if that is the case? Or is this a loaner that you have to send back? Proprietary power supplies or other components are a deal breaker for a lot of people. Brings up the bad memories of Compaq, HP, Lenovo, etc.
hello ETA as from the sound of your voice I was wondering if you are this one guy that raps in the video from the one convention asmongold watched. best regards
Now for a emulator/movie box this should be great. But for my wife I sometimes need to edit some videos and on our old laptop that takes long. And if I mess something up have to do it over again haha. Would this pack enough power to do some video editing? Not professional. And also I would like to see what kind of games it could play if ur lucky enough to have a full size gpu. Over usb4. Hooked up
I'm really excited for the Dragon Range Desktop Versions
And high clocked DDR5 Ram
Admittingly, a bit of an overkill, this mini pc will eventually replace my current HTPC. Powerful enough as a media server to stream 4K/120hz av1 and x265 media real-time while also functioning as a network backup DAS, plus plays the occasional game as a bonus. It's too pricey at the moment but I'll keep an eye out for price drops.
You have priorities straight AV1 network streamer & Nas what software you running for media server bro & how many members sharing that
I wish someone can add AI client or a scheduler that goes to links & download stuff at night,Or at least shift the intranet load
Have you heard of melondream?
@@dinozaurpickupline4221 Currently running a Plex Server and JRiver Media Center for audio, although Roon does look interesting. Just a small home 8-10 device network. More as a hobby than anything else.
@@dinozaurpickupline4221 I haven't done heavy daily downloads as of late. I may get back to doing more when I upgrade. AV1 has sparked my interests again.
Dude it'd be great to compare this with Z1 extreme Rog Ally. A side by side test would be great. It'll garner insurmountable views to you. Please Dude. Do it for us.
Does this computer support external gpu or are we stuck with just the integrated graphics?
Great Video🔥 please make more Linux setups 😉
I’d rather have the Minisforum 780 pro or 790 pro. I think these are more expensive too..?
I'm super interested how well it would work on max TDP - both in terms of performance and temps.
Is it possible to attach external GPU via usb4?