The DARK SIDE Of NBA Tanking…
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2023
- The 2023 NBA Draft lottery means that Victor Wembanyama will go to the San Antonio Spurs, while the Detroit Pistons and Houston Rockets won't get a chance at Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller... is that fair?
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I dont think the pistons were tanking last season...I think they actually just sucked.
to think they recently got the no.1 pick just 2 years ago and still decided to tank in hopes of getting wemby, sad day to be a pistons fan for sure
That is how you tank. You trade away all your good players for young prospects and picks.
@@toad725 Take a look at how many top five picks Chicago had after Jordan left.
@@theman4884 No, that’s called rebuilding. Benching hot players, firing coaches after winning streaks, and trading away YOUNG talent for draft picks is tanking.
@@toad725 we didnt tank. We literally was just nit a good basketball team. We had only 4 players who played over 60 games our franchise player missed 75 games and our highest scorer in Bogdanovic was gone for 20+. Also had the youngest team in the league. So no we didnt tank and we still got screwed by a team that actually tanked. Im a spurs hater now and fuck the 76ers for ruining the draft process
As a Magic fan i am happy that we got 6 and 11. We were extremely competitive this year and i think we're in a great position to rapidly improve.
the magic potential is crazy high look at the wins they got against certain teams that says alot
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Magics issue is they can never get all that potential to shine. Feel like y’all have been a team to look out for going on 10 years now lol
Magic is very impatient, they'll nuke the team in 2 tp 3 years, its been going on fpr years now.😭
@@Wickerman2023different FO
Detroit didn’t intentionally tank. They lost Cade Cunningham early in the season and had a terrible coach who was obsessed with 3pt shooting over defense.
Why do you think you had a terrible coach?
Detroit was riddled with injuries too:
Games played
Cade 12
Noel 14
Bagley 42
Stewart 50
Burks 51
Livers 52
Diallo 56
Bojan 59
Joseph 62
Duren 67
Ivey 74
Hayes76
That’s not including players not on the team all year like Hampton(21), Omoruyi(17), Wiseman(24), McGruder(32), knox(42), and Bey(52). So many players were in and out the roster and lineup that we had no consistency. At full strength we were maybe a bottom 4 team and were clearly the worst team regardless in the east.
Portland sat Dame. Houston literally let the players do whatever and traded their vets. Spurs traded all their good players who had experience. At least Charlotte had a bad coach and dealt with injuries with Ball and Hayward. Lottery only add randomness and inadvertently help the teams who needs it less
@@nanathegoat5106 Detroit is known for Defense..Thats how we won past championships. Dwayne Casey didn’t preach Defense. He preached shot chucking and Killian Hayes
There were point where we were sending out g league lineups, not because we were trying to lose, but because we had so many injuries that we literally had no other choice
@@deatgr3623 the top 3 players on your team wasn't even drafted by your team
i hate my life as a pistons fan
Tough scenes
ah 🧘🏿
Hey brodey don’t say that
I hate my life as a Spurs fan so don't feel too bad
So switch
Rockets fans aren’t mad for missing out on Wembanyama. We’re mad that we fell out the top 3
Honestly I knew from the start the chances to get wemby were slim I just needed them to be top 3 🤦🏾♂️
I agree
I'm coming around to the idea of Amen I love the fit tbh
@@pauzoh4181 Amen can’t shoot and is a glorified TikTok hooper. Him and his brother are absolute trash
As a Blazers fan, I'm so happy that you guys fell out the top 3.
Umm. The Pistons didn't tank. They were actually that bad.
Pistons werent even tanking man Cade got injured 11 games into the season and had to get surgery. Wtf did u want them to do
Yeah he said Houston tanked I'm like how? The only time Green and KPJ missed games was because of injuries, and our coach was pretty much a pushover. We were just a bad team.
I like how you skipped over Charlotte for intentionally tanking. They didn't. They were legitimately trying to win games, even at the very end. This resulted in them getting the 4th worst record instead of trying to tank and finishing with a worse record.
What did Charlotte in? Biles Midges being a horrible human and glass ankles. Omg glass ankles. Ball played, I think, 5 games uninjured. And every ankle injury was different than the last. SMH.
I literally told myself before the lottery that I just didn't want to move down, because I genuinely enjoyed the late-season Hornets once Williams started getting more minutes and I didn't want to be one of *those* fans whining that we didn't tank hard enough.
We moved up two spots. I'll take it. Sucks to be SO CLOSE and not get Wemby, but the top end of this draft is good enough that I don't care
they even ruined the mavericks' season 😂😂
@@valpix7007 yeah, missing Wemby sucks but Scoot is a damn good consolation prize and would be the first pick in many other years. Excited for him
Detroit had 12 games of Cade, half a season of Bagley, and only 4 players who played 60+ games. I don’t think we tanked more than your team did. We both had ass coaches, our top guys getting injured for the year, and didn’t have consistency with the roster to really win. It’s good Charlotte is able to rise to 2 and I’m not saying you shouldn’t rise. I’m looking at teams like SA who traded their good players to rank and Portland sitting Dame who was healthy. Lottery should only be the bottom 4 teams tbh
@@RealItsCMD Gosh. I sure hope you guys pick Scoot. Blazers really need Miller. Don't get me wrong, I think Scoot is gonna be great. It's just that my Blazers are WAY too guard heavy. We need a forward like Miller SO bad.
Bro Pistons were really bad I don't think they were tanking like the spurs
Thats why in Europe there is Relegation. If you suck you get relegated to a lower league so you cant slack off even one game
And how much money do they make vs the nba???
@@SATOWNJONES Thats not a reason why they earn less money...
You really think watching two tanking teams is more exciting than two teams fighting to stay in the league giving their all?
Won’t work, there is far too large of a discrepancy between g league teams and nba teams it would be an utter disaster
Too late. If this happens during the NBA's infancy, then maybe things would change. But now, with all teams basically established, any G-League team moving to the NBA would be a punching bag to anyone.
How was the pistons tanking ??? They best player was Jaden Ivey literally 🤦🏽♂️
That why I hate casuals! Everytime a team is doing bad they say their tanking. Some teams are legit ASS!
@@ABruhMan exactly they don’t kno basketball for real
Mmmm, no, the Pistons are blameless - they entered the season with hopes to gun for the play-in tournament. This was supposed to be the "turn the corner" year of the rebuild.
And then everything went to shit within a handful of weeks with Cade's injury. And Bagley getting hurt (again). And then Stew, too (who was showing some signs of turning into the player we were told he could be). And Killian continued to be his usual frustrating, just when you're ready to completely give up on him he gives you just enough glimmers to pull you back in self (after the coaches hyped up before the season started how he'd turned the corner, too). Duren was supposed to start the season in the G League but ended up being the silver lining of all of our bigs getting hurt at the start of the season (as well as Nerlens Noel being unplayable), until he got hurt about 30-ish games in. Burks, our bench heater, started the season hurt. Bey, our all rookie first team guy from 2020, franchise record breaker and who had a 50pt game a season ago got traded at the deadline for a reclamation project because he was going to want too much money in free agency next year (and he entered the season with an absolutely broken jump shot from 3 and hadn't worked on his defense at all in the off-season - again). And other than trading Bey (who was arguably hurting more than helping), we didn't trade any of our "trade chip" guys for stuff and better lottery odds. And I could go on.
There were at least 15 games this season where because of youthful inexperience and injury depletion, they lost the game in one bad quarter but outplayed the other team for 3 of 4 quarters.
Detroit's front office didn't make any intentional tank moves till long after everybody else in the bottom 10 had. Because they didn't have to when everything blew up in the team's face - that's how cruel the basketball gods decided to be to us, in the year the plan was to compete for the play-in. They were literally the only team that was blameless.
Preach Brother!!!
Lets pump the brakes here. The Spurs trading Murray didn't make them clear favorites to win the 2023 draft lottery years later. You are right that they weren't interested in paying him long term and wanted to move him for his current value. But the Spurs also had a young squad with guys who could use more touches. Vassell was also injured by the start of January which the Spurs were already rocking a 12-25 record. They were way behind before the half point of the season so why would they focus on competing the rest of the way when they can focus on the coming offseason? Kinda similar to the catastrophic Spurs season of '96 where Robinson was out for a year, Elliot was injured and old man Dominique Wilkins was barely putting it together scoring buckets. Celtics finished worse but Spurs won out the Tim Duncan sweepstakes of '97.
Yeah the spurs "tanked" by just letting their young players actually get some chemistry and develop on the court
NBA is rigged
At this point boycott the league
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Crazy thing is I don’t think the Pistons were heavily tanking - they just had injuries to key players and poor coaching.
They weren't. He keeps trying to speak this big tanking season into reality but it just wasn't a thing. At the very end, some teams threw in the towel. But the Pistons, Hornets, Blazers, and a number of others weren't tanking for most of the season. They just either got injured or...weren't good. San Antonio and Houston are probably the only outright, blatant tanking teams
@@Nuvendil Spurs were obliterated by injuries too. I think they only really committed to tanking in the last month-and-a-half of the season when they sat Keldon Johnson and Jeremy Sochan.
@@Nuvendil Spurs had a young roster and Vassell was gone by the start of Jan 2023. They were 12-25 record wise at that point! How competitive are they in comparison to other teams on track for the playoff spot by the half way point of the season (which is around the trade deadline)? Even the Magic who had a very promising rookie with Banchero and year 2 with Wagner only got 34 wins. And their roster is closer to looking more polished than the Rockets, Hornets or Pistons and they still were not on track to make the play-in.
@@t4d0W Tanking means intentionally being bad. Hornets, Magic, and Pistons weren't trying, they were just bad and/or hurt all the time. The Spurs shipped off Murray in the offseason and then most of their established talent left at the deadline. Compare this to Detroit who *acquired* Bojan in the offseason.
It's crazy to think that the Spurs won against the Mavericks in their last game of the year. Which tied them and the rockets in wins, lost the coin toss so they go from second to third in the lottery and still got the first pick. The Rockets and Spurs were a coin toss away from switching positions.
What I'm trying to say is. If the Mavs don't tank at the end of the year, the Spurs and Rockets switch positions. Shout out to the Mavs from a Spurs fan.
Bruh it's rigged, shoot out to the commissioner
@@angelcamus393 Yeah the Spurs get Wemby regardless
Same teams will be right back in the lottery next season.
Maybe
We must scrap the nba draft lottery. It is so unfair, no 17-65 team should ever get the #5 pick
Unfair, yes. That being said it's still a top 5 pick, unless yall just suck at the pick he won't be a bum
LOL ask the Celtics about it in '96. They legit had a 15 win roster and they lost the Tim Duncan sweepstakes to the Spurs who mustered 22 wins without an injured Robinson, Sean Elliot, old man Dominique Wilkins playing to score buckets (and also being injured) and the rest of the Spurs role players taking up minutes. The best part after that is the Celtics got a new coach/acting GM in Rick Pitino, got to pick twice in the '97 lottery as a consolation (got Billups and Ron Mercer) and they still found a way to suck for another 5 or so years.
It’s unfair that teams consistently get top 5 picks and are still barely able to win 20 games. But people will be mad at the spurs who can turn late first rounders into all stars
As a rockets fan,
The rockets and pistons were genuinely bad and also (mainly for the pistons) dealt with injuries on top of that it’s not like there was an avenue to win more games….
The blazers were shamelessly tanking after Dame had an all nba season
I think the reason the Bulls don't tank is cause we only draft well for having lower picks... Can't draft pretty much for nothin in the lottery 😂
Chicago had a ton of top five picks after Jordan left.
@@theman4884 I'm talking more recently... That was 20+ years ago
@@kobeischildren I don't think we are disagreeing with one another. They has something like 9 top five picks in 8 years they most not have been hitting on them.
@@theman4884 You're right, I misread ur first reply. Yeah, for some reason they can only get good players for being late picks, unless it was right in their face like Joakim and Derrick
the real reason is jerry reinsdorf wants us to be a fringe playoff team so we can get more home games. The only thing he gives a fuck about when it comes to the Bulls is attendance
San Antonio tanked to get Duncan and got him. So they tanked again to get Wembanyama and got it again.
GSG
Literally wemby played for tony Parker team over seas they even traded dejounte just to tank he
🤨 David Robinson got injured …what you talking about?
Seems like a successful plan to me
@@Civtex That injury is what convinced them to tank. Pop and the Spurs have admitted to it.
As a pistons fan I think we gave in to the tank but only after Cade went down.
But out tank was really just playing our young players probably more than they should have over old players. But hard to be blamed for that when our future is in developing the young guys.
Teams need to realize that the lottery is rigged.
Clearly
All you fools really think an international accounting firm that deals with billion dollar companies financials every day in Ernst and young would risk their credibility for the nba. I’m saying this as a CPA not a spurs fan.
And you're a Charlotte or Detroit fan
@Coach Timmeh not to mention destroy their billion dollar money printing enterprise. And if this was rigged why would LeBron end up in Cleveland? Why is zion I new Orleans? The massive markets of San Antonio and Charlotte winning "rigged"ottery huh?
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I think what would be interesting is having some sort of competitive target to hit that teams have to work at in order to have higher odds at getting the 1st pick or to land in the top 3. Like if you can reach 30 wins, great but if you fall below that mark, each number lower just decreases your chances at a top pick.
Did the Pistons tank though? They didn't sell off their assets to get worse, did they? Seems like they were just a combination of bad and injured.
You’re 100% right. Anyone that says the Pistons tanked didn’t watch the games. Cade was injured all year, so.. you know. No #1 prospect. Then couple with bad fa destination and a bunch of rookies and you have the worst team in the nba. They should have gotten a top 3 talent. Too bad the lottery hurts small market teams more than large ones.
I was watching their games this year and I’m from nyc.. they wasn’t tanking.. they was balling but dude was shut down for getting mad rebounds (duren) dude a beast
Umm Cade was lost for the season after only 11 games !
you know what would help tanking if the bottom 5 teams were banned from raising ticket prices the following year
Dude thought we (Pistons) were intentionally tanking lmao.
Deterring losing basketball and not rewarding it is always a good thing
Whats the point of a draft then bro? No point might as well let these players just be free agents. Edit - no bro im not saying get rid of the draft if this is what you thought I meant no man
@@mittendemon4493 its still going to bad teams
how do small market teams acquire talent then, because small market teams arent FA destinations. Acquiring talent through drafting is the only way for these teams to get good players.
"Only big market teams should be successful".
@@nicholasroot3729 fr
Small markets teams can’t compete with big markets, so their only options is the draft. Thats why I hate this new lottery rule
Regardless what happened true or false, the Pistons deserved top 3
They definitely did.
The easy fix is to have a "losers" tournament at the end of the season with the winner getting the first pick in the draft.
Personally besides spurs, magic got the biggest w in this whole draft only team with 2 picks in the top 14 💀💀
I don't even think Detroit tanked tbh, they just sucked lol
our best player had to get season ending surgery 11 games into the season but yeah, we're "tanking" lmao
Implement a salary floor and issue fines/loss of draft picks if you want to curb blatant tanking. But for teams that need help because they’re legitimately bad, the lottery sucks. I think draft lotteries are one of the stupidest ideas. The goal is to win championships, and if a team purposely stinking up the joint for a year or two is the price to pay for them to truly compete for the next 10 seasons, I’m probably fine with that. There has to be a better way to protect the integrity of the game without keeping bad teams at the bottom in perpetuity. Small market teams often rely on the draft and their ability to develop talent, but they won’t be able to scale that competitive slope if they get screwed by the lottery. I know there are cases of shameless losing, and those are going to be there regardless of the repercussions, but there are also teams like OKC and San Antonio that need these drafts because free agents often aren’t going to those small markets. If you want rebuilds to end, you have to give them something to build with. I don’t think the lottery does that.
There is already a salary floor and tanking is explicitly prohibited
@@jeremiahtisdell4823 Problem is that it's hard to differentiate tanking and just plain losing.
@@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904 pistons plain lost. Portland tanked by sitting dame, spirs lost 20 games and played gleaguers and undrafted players when their young guys werent even injured. Pistons and Charlotte the only teams that deserved the top 2 because they actually lost from being ass and not on purpose
VICTORIA IS OVERRATED TREATING MF LIKE HE LEBRON
I think it’s fair, all the teams knew the risk included! If Houston won Wemby it would have been San Antonio screwed because of the coin toss (they had the same record). If you want a top prospect you need to be prepared to not win a lottery and not cry about it
As a Knicks Fan I’d be sick not to mention the 2018-2019 season in which we won a putrid 17 games giving us the worst record in the league only to end up with the #3 overall pick while the Pelicans & Grizzlies (each with 33 wins) went 1&2 (Zion+Ja Morant)
Ending up with RJ Barrett was equivalent to reserving a Ferrari and getting a Camry
Out of every year they coulda made an example out of tanking teams they choose to do it this year? in the most pivotal draft (atleast in the top 3 )since 2003 is cruel. The Pistons really weren’t trying to tank they were just bad and unlucky especially with Cade hurt for basically the whole season
Making a "lottery" random... you don't say...
Thanks for not mentioning the Hornets. Because we didn't tank. And we got rewarded
The thing is that it doesn’t and won’t deter teams from tanking. Lottery should be bottom 3 teams. I don’t think a team will go single digits. Let’s say a team does go that bad: they walk away with the top pick and now they’re too good to drop that low. You can deter tanking with in-season rules and consequences.
Detroit at the start of the season imo was a bottom 4 team. Then 12 games in Cade is injured and out for the season. Bagley is then injured and plays like around 40 games. Only 3 players (Ivey, Duren, and Hayes) played 60+ games. We were hit with injuries with an ass coach. Stewart was hurt. Diallo got hurt. Bojan had an Achilles or acl strain. You can point out bad lineups l, but Casey done that even when we had Blake Griffin on our team in the playoffs. We didn’t blatantly tank like San Antonio who traded borderline every good player with experience, like Houston who literally played like they had no coach, or Portland who sat a healthy Dame. The draft is to help bad teams become better as quick as possible and to add the randomness of the lottery where a team like Dallas that blatantly tanked and sat healthy players could win a lottery goes against what the purpose of the draft is
Everybody outside of Detroit hates Detroit...it's even a bunch of Michigan folk that ride for other teams all day; weird behavior.
Not too weird. Doesn't surprise me that when an organization can't put together a team worth caring about that fans don't care. I live in Michigan but never felt any level of emotional investment in the Lions because they've only ever been bad or mediocre in my life. It's been 15 years since the Pistons even made the playoffs so people that are around 20 to 25 years old have only ever known the Pistons to be a loser organization. If you want fans to give a damn you gotta do more than just exist.
Pistons gonna put the Leauge on notice once they Draft "LeGoku D. Jordan" with the 5th pick
Thats the name of My Career player in 2ķ
1. My team isn’t even in the lottery.
2. I hate the draft lottery. Always will, it doesn’t even succeed in what it is trying to do. If I am a GM of a mediocre team slightly above.500 that can finish bottom 6-8 in record if I sell off my assets for more picks, I personally would do it in a heartbeat because there is a chance I will get “rewarded” like a bottom 1-3 team on lottery night. It is unfair for leagues like the NBA and NHL where there are only 2 rounds and only a handful of players that will have even a long role player level career.
There's really no other way to do it than how it is right now though. You can't just have playoff teams adding peices like Wemby & Scoot to their already stacked teams
@andrew laviano that would make it worse. Then you'd have front offices competing for the bottom even more than now, especially when the top prospect is considered generational. The way its currently set up has a few flaws, but it is probably the best way to make teams think twice about intentionally tanking. Nobody wants to watch a tanking team on TV. It's bad for the NBA & its just bad for the game in general. The only other way I could see it being a little better is if the league MAKES teams use a certain amount of their available cap space instead of hoarding money by signing low level players to tank - but even that has its flaws. Teams would have a slew of overpaid players on bad contracts that will be impossible to move most likely. Tanking teams that have a lot of cap space on hand usually use that $ to take on another teams bad contract in exchange for more future draft capital, so doing so would hurt small market teams/cities that star free agents don't ever get to sign. The draft is the only way small market teams have a chance to reach championship contention.
Love all the videos
The picks should serve the purpose of consultation for not being able to win , not to be a reward for playing to lose
It’s no way you can have a lottery and not air it live
There should be 2 separate lottery’s one for the top 4 teams and 5-14
That would be wayyyyy better in my opinion. Cause this current set up is dog shit! Teams with 1% odds always move up way to far
I couldn’t be any happier to see Detroit and Houston drop down the draft. They are two terrible franchises that tank every year. Wasting talented young players’ career away for draft spots.
🤦🏽♂️ names some players the Pistons wasted. Take your time I’ll wait
The nba is the only league that shuns bad teams and intentionally punishes them. I don’t understand it, why would you want to actively discourage and prevent parity in the league. The NFL has the quickest turn around rates for crappy teams by giving them an easier schedule and higher draft picks. The NBA sucks when there’s just 2 or 3 teams dominating year in and year out and they choose to keep it that way
Literally at this point boycott the league cause like you said the NFL does it perfectly even the MLB does it right
You guys and your “parity”. Why do you care so much about parity? Giving trash teams false hope.
You can’t force stars to play for bad teams. If they want to leave and join a better SHIP, why stop them?
A parity is a illusion buddy. It’s not going to happen
Because they are good teams? THAT’S WHY THEY DOMINATE. It’s good ratings and viewership. Are they not allowed to be a good team? Is that bad? You want them to suck so you can pity trash teams?
Jesus Christ you and your “parity”
A team that dominates year after year, that’s what you called “DOING YOUR JOB AND ASSEMBLE THE BEST TEAM”
Is that not allowed? You don’t like that? Tell trash teams to do a better job.
@@jaypennie7297
No, tell the trash teams to do better.
If a team assembles the best team and dominates years and year, is that problem?
You want punish them because they are that good?
People and their “parity” is such an illusion.
@@alohatigers1199 how can a trash team do better if they are not given the opportunity to smarty and the only chance to do better is through the draft as well as it gets boring and at that rate just limit the league to only the good teams only then because that’s all it is the same teams years in and year out
Is it crazy to think that the blazers would trade that pick to Detroit for bogdonovic their fifth pick and maybe one of their plethoras of centers wiseman, bagley, or duren (I doubt duren but you never know)
There's just as much reason to tank. The lottery is nothing more than a random punishment/reward system. Different sports leagues have done a bunch of different draft lotteries and they haven't curbed tanking at all. All it does is make it so the losers of the draft lottery are less likely to get back to championship contention.
Pops literally said at the first preaseason media day....."I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we're not winning a championship this year". Like what coach says that? Clearly planned to tank and got rewarded for it. But the Pistons who had real injuries and real rookies developing can't even get top 3.
Whether they decided to tank or not, you can’t say trading Dejounte for 3 first round picks was a bad trade. Obviously it made them worse but it doesn’t make sense to keep DJ when that’s the offer. They also started the season well but had three 19 year olds on the court at times due to injuries. Plus it’s not like they could sign anyone to make them better and they haven’t had a top pick previously like the Pistons. It’s no surprise they lost a lot of games
The problem with the bad teams is that there is a minimun chance to win in the play offs or play in, so there is no reson to trying to win games, there is a better chance by not resking a good players to a injury , and try to get a great player in the draft, the problem is that now that the odds are lower for the tanking teams, we know we are going to see the same teams tanking until they get something good
The lottery odds are honestly so fucking bad. How does the team with the worst record have a 48% chance of getting the 5th pick? It literally makes no sense. Pistons are probably gonna be picking top 7 again next year even though their plan was definitely to try to make the play in next year.
@@obi3924 The league has to decide if they want to prevent tanking (you do that with even odds) or funnel the best players to the "worst" teams. The problem is, if you give the best player to the worst team (no lottery) then you get tanking. What the league really needs to do is make it easier for small market teams to keep their stars. But star run the league and the league wants stars in big markets.
@@obi3924 LOL tell that to the forever tanking OKC Thunder. Thing is Presti has gotten better picking outside of top 3 (around the 5~10 range) and even in the low teens to get value to create a possible playoff roster. Also helps being able to take a shot at other teams' promising young guys to develop them like SGA.
@@t4d0W "Forever tanking"
Two. They had two tanking seasons. Which, honestly, a team that loses its stars is going to have a down stretch whether they plan to or not.
They made the play in this year when they could have easily tanked out of it.
@@Nuvendil I always counted them tanking post PG trade. Sure they made the playoffs one year with CP3 and SGA but that was anomalous considering Presti didn't even pursue keeping that core together. He straight moved Paul, Gallo and Schroeder and focused on his war chest of picks from the Clippers.
Spurs traded Murray due to him informing them he wouldn’t sign a contract extension.
Love and enjoy watching both of your channels Tucker.
My blazers were SO CLOSE
I don't think this is a 3 player draft at all. Amen Thompson is considered amongst a lot of people, the 3rd best player in the draft. Houston doesn't get Wemby or Scoot but it gets a damn good consolation prize in Amen. We needed a PG and he will be a great fit with Jalen in what will most likely be the most athletic backcourt in the NBA. Pair that with Jabari, Sengun, Eason and 2 max contract slots, we will be okay. People also need to let their prospects grow a little. I mean damn Jabari turned 20 two days ago, Sengun will still be 20 going into his 3RD SEASON, Jalen just turned 21, and Amen is 19. I wanted Wemby and Scoot more than anyone but im more than okay with what we have. It is far more than most teams could ever dream of having. The right coach and pieces will what make us contenders again. Patience.
I totally agree.
Pistons did not intentionally tank. But yeah fuck us I guess for having our star player get injured during a rebuild.
It’s literally INSANE how people think we intentionally tank. LOOK AT OUR FUCKING ROSTER!
If a team chooses not to win 20-22 games their pick should be automatically outside the top 4
The funny thing is, as a spurs fan we'd be happy in any top 5 position.....we haven't has a top 10 in over 20 years.
There are only 2 ways to completely discourage tanking. Either have an unweighted lottery where every team has an equal chance of getting the top pick, or have no draft and let players go to whatever team they want. For the second option, would the top prospects necessarily go to the championship teams? In 1985, the first year of the draft lottery, the clear consensus top prospect was Patrick Ewing. That year the Lakers had just defeated the Celtics in the finals. If there was no draft, does Ewing go to either team? The Lakers might have signed Ewing and then traded away Kareem.
I'm glad it works this way. Maybe the Pistons can stop being a trash organization and actually compete now.
Take the teams that are out of the playoffs and give the top pick to the team with the most wins after they've been mathematically eliminated. Incentive to play hard after you are out of the playoffs.
If you´re in the top 8 - 10 lottery odds, you need a Star. All the teams in the lottery, specially non-play-in teams, are miles away from a chip, and all of them deserve getting a top tier prospect for their future. It´s fair game, as far as I´m concerned.
It's wild to me that American sports have a mechanism that rewards losing. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a draft playoff the bottom 8 teams in the league play in a one and done tournament for draft odds??
Rigged
Wemby gives off strong Ralph Samson vibes. That didn’t end up well.
Like honestly, the pistons weren’t even tanking till the middle of February.
We lost our franchise PG for the year when he decided to get season ending surgery on a lingering injury from high school. Which left our team led by rookie ivey, bojan and rookie duren. That team is winning a MAXIMUM of 25 games if they played all year 100%… we were just bad🤷🏾♂️
Tanking is embarrassing as fuck
Pistons wouldn’t be tanking if Cade didn’t get injured. Detroit got hosed.
Giannis was the 15th pick, jokic was 41st. Just draft better
YES
Not even draft. Just actually develop your players. Hell some of the current spurs players are raw but theyre young and they've been getting better
Pistons fan here...this was rigged. Im so pissed
Intentional tanking is a poison and should not be praised. Teams being rewarded for purposely being bad how does that work. I feel teams should be severely punished for intentionally tanking by having them forfeit that years first round.
Creates a loser mentality and culture that sticks. Look at the Sixers.
Detroit just had a number 1 pick. There are plenty of teams who have never had a number 1 overall pick in their history
Get rid of the lottery. The draft order should be based off an 8 team tourney. Winner gets pick 1.
Bad teams are forced to spend money and get better rather than stripping to the bolts and sitting on 20 firsts
That's a dumb idea. The better of the 8 teams would dominate while the pistons and rockets would just end up with worse picks.
The bad teams were bad because they were just that bad
@@themanofconstantsorrowelia1929 Bad teams tend to be bad because they are designed that way. A tourney would bring more money to the league and would incentivize bad teams to not sit out FA. Build an actual team and play hard all year. Tanking is dumb and bad for the sport
@@melvinpretlow7921 my man the spurs, rockets, pistons and hornets were just bad teams. If you put them in a tournament like you suggested the Portland or Utah would end up walking away with the 1st overall. If you truly think the bottom four teams tanked all season because of planning you don't watch the sport. The only thing you'd accomplish is keeping bad teams bad and a revolving door of the play-in teams retooling by entering said tournament.
You're just rewarding the teams actually tanking at the end of the season with a great player in a system that only rewards them
@@themanofconstantsorrowelia1929 you do realize that all 3 of those teams were bottom 5 in payroll right? They were bad teams in large part because they’re not spending money. They weren’t trying to win. Spurs traded away their best player for the rebuild. They don’t do that if they need to win to get pick 1
@@melvinpretlow7921 you do realize all of those 3 teams are young teams with young players. You don't overpay for vets when you're rebuilding unless you're near the playoffs. The spurs traded dj because he was going to request a trade anyway in the off-season. Best to trade him while it's high and you can get picks back. Now look at all the picks they have coming in the next few years. They can actually afford to trade for players and be competitive now.
Also adding players to the teams would have only hurt them more. Just adding players doesn't fix anything when you end up cutting minutes from the people your developing. Actually watch the games man
The draft lottery was pretty rigged this year, the nba just wanted the spurs to have the first pick.
4:10 there is a big difference between Detroit, Houston and SA. Houston and Detroit have already gotten their top tier players in the past years. SA had no future, they had an old Demar (Who never wanted to be there) and Murray (Who was quite happy to leave SA). With neither of them you have a chance to win it all. And Houston looks like one of the worst destinations for a young player, it seems they cant develope players.
As a die hard rockets fan I didn’t really want wembi because he wasn’t a need but I wanted scoot and we didn’t even get a top 3 pick
Depressed Pistons fan here, any possibility we could trade the 5th pick for an established player? Maybe someone like the warriors who don’t have picks and want to free up cap space?
Depressed Warriors fan here.... any chance you want Jordan Poole?
@@selanryn5849 haha honestly tho yeah he'd be an upgrade on everyone except Cade and as long as he doesnt take minutes from Ivey
I know it will never happen, but relegation to the g-league would make the NBA sooo much more fun to watch
I just found your content tonight and I can’t stop watching it
There is no tanking by players it all comes from the front office.
The darkside of rigging in professional sports lol
Turn the magnets off.
A lot came out after the murry trade that idicated he was a toxic presence
Letting DJM go was a good move #gsg
I like Murray but he is a little artificial at times. Instead of saying there is a problem he'll just post shit on Twitter about being upset instead of actually being real
Dont tank, if you are just bad sure but dont do it intetially
Victor here in Detroit would’ve been the biggest mesh of cultures the NBA ever seen… it wouldve been a joy to see… oh well
Pistons lose so much they even lost the lottery 💀💀💀
Whats the point of watching your team knowing they will loose intentionally? How can the best basketball league have 10 teams that are losing intentionally. In football the worst teams are fighting every game to not get relegated and in the nba they put their worst players to loose
A lot of people won't watch when their team is bad because they know that the year won't be worth it. Usually if you do watch its to see how the team develops the players you do have
make the team that has the 3rd worst record have the highest lottery odds. if you can't even win a few more games just to push yourself off the very bottom, you deserve being bottom.
Why not reward the 10th and 11th teams with a higher probability of landing the top 3 pick? The worst teams will hover around top 6 to 10 picks.
Can't even get a top 4 pick in detroit
As a pistons fan hoping for one cam and hopefully Maxwell lewis Monty as coach
Nah Spurs getting Wemby just looks rigged asf ...
Spurs spent the whole season tanking. Such garbage
U keep saying teams like Detroit and Houston like the Spurs weren’t blatantly tanking sitting healthy player every other game
As a rockets fan I’m happy with 4 I’ve liked amens game and upside for months now