Modern Cars - Was I WRONG?! Punto TwinAir Goodbye
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- I’ve made my feelings on modern cars quite clear - they’re too complex, too idiot proof, too expensive to maintain and almost completely soulless. To find out if I’m justified in that opinion, I bought a Fiat Punto TwinAir as my daily driver for a few months. Question is, have I learned to love it and was I wrong about modern cars...?
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Please make the next car a 4x4 Panda or the 100hp version.
I have a 2015 twinair punto 100hp. I am well pleased with consumption (6.5l /100km or 43,5 mpg). This is well above what factory states, but I don't use start stop nor eco mode, neither do I listen to gear change indicator arrows. I drive by ear and instinct, same as all other cars I drove before this. Engine is punchy and reliable, agile when I need it to be. I miss a bit of torque when I start overtaking someone, but car is not a slouch by any means. Engine does not consume any oil, at least not yet (so far I drove about 3000km).
I thought this engine will be louder, considering it has 2 cylinders, but I was wrong. It is loud when it starts, but this lasts for about 30 seconds, then it settles down. When it reaches working temperature it is pretty quiet. It has distinctive sound when you accelerate, and I quite like it. This little engine is a gem with a caracter.
Is this urban, extra urban or combined consumption?
I have 85hp version, after 1.3 mjet, i adore it. I have sport version and everyone thinks when hears my car damn it's a sport car and yet its only loud cuz of 2 cylinders haha
Fuel consmption is 5.8 combined, not bad tho. My turbo failed month ago and i paid it aaaalot but my car is working fine now.
@@zlaja.zivic98how much did it cost you to replace the turbo mate ? Did you put a brand new turbo or a refurbished one ? Thanks
Instead of insisting on lower emissions every year which requires ever more complex and costly technology, they should instead insist on longer warranties. EU6 will be six year warranty, EU7 will be 7 years and so on.
😂 I'm wondering of buying a cinquecento sporting, because I just can't love normal small cars.
I think you would be happy with a go kart basically
Punto is somewhat bad comparison point. The good is because IT IS old. its a 2005 design, still designed in early 2000s.
All the mess tjat it got over the updates is early interation of the worse, but csr itself still overlapped with Seicento producio wise.
Punto is much bigger than Seicento becuae its bigger segment car. 500 is direct equivalent to Seicento(600).
Weight different is quit big between the two.
Its stress free cuz its a Fiat. Nice car it is
it is a 7 year old Fiat, more advanced than the Seicento but maybe not the best representation of modern cars 🚗.
Think he said that
Calling a Punto a "modern" car is a bit pf a stretch. Even 5 years ago. This car was already outdated im 2010.
agreed - bought a 58 plate Grande Punto - City steering eh? whats all that about? Snow is falling - I can guess there will be possible ice on the road but it was handy telling me a sidelight bulb was out. What was better it didn't need me to dismantle the front end to replace it.
Its funny to call a punto ( grande, evo) a modern car cuz it isnt. that 0.9 twinair is the worst engine that could possibly be in that vehicle. It suits for the 500 perhaps the panda but not in the punto. You should have bought with simple 1.2 or the 1.4 or 1.4 T-jet those are good engines and way better on fuel than the 0.9 but anyhow i wouldnt consider a punto a modern car at all
you should have recorded it in the cento, because that surely makes you smile
my '82 scirocco has a shift light, does tell me what the fuel consumption is, is comfortable, enjoyably to drive, parts are cheap, like a golf 1, doesn't have airconditioning (but it was an option) but a factory sunroof.
what was it..ah yeah like a modern car but almost 40 years old :)
to me a seicento is a modern car, because it got electronic fuel injection en ignition...
I actually wish we got cars as basic as your Punto here in Canada...compared to Europe there is a shift towards 'gadgets' here so every new car, even base models are offered with a ridiculous amount of nonsense to try and entice buyers....I know they are probably getting hard to find over there, but at least you guys can still BUY a brand new car with things like windy windows, no power locks, etc whereas we can't! :(
Hell, even trying to find a car with a manual over here that is brand new is a chore....not many left to chose from I am afraid, everything has shifted to boring ugly CUVs...
Genuine sympathy :/ hang in there with something old and loveable, dude!
@@MillerCorner Well, my Accent isn't old (2009), but it is basic, and I love it, so that's what matters! :)
Biggest advance in modern cars is not speed, economy, ride or handling its safety and refinement. 500 miles in an old car you feel you’ve done 500 miles and you ache all over but a modern car u feel like u could drive another 500 miles lol. Some modern cars do have character some are epic to drive like hot hatches etc. But totally with you that unfortunately most cars are designed to do everything well that they become tools that you respect like you respect the technology in a mobile phone but u don’t love it. Old cars they do some things well and other appalling but u love them.
It's true! I actively look forward to doing distance in the Punto, it's just so easy and comfy!
The Punto and Mito Twin Air have a dual mass flywheel - if you want to get into costs on new cars have the DMF fail - a whole world of financial pain comes with that.
And then to think that they only invented these things for that minimal extra bit of comfort..
On some cars you can replace the dual mass with a normal flywheel.
Its funny but the last few weeks in a Punto made me think I was back in the days of my my 1984 B reg UNO. The Punto is good but it is nowhere near was good as the simple purity of a brand new UNO. I was privileged to have that 1984 experience
Just makes me wonder what you’d think of the panda 169
More refined and generally better equipped than a seicento but still way behind a punto, and with the old 1108 in it like a stock sei
Certainly still makes me smile! 😁😉
nh73 yeahh mine is 09 plate with 94k on
Found new geabox oil really reduces the notch-y-ness :)
And all I’ve done to mine in the 18 months and 9000 miles I’ve done in it is front pads and rear shocks
Big fan of those! Love 'em 👍🏻 (100HP and 4x4 particularly 😎)
All the electronic gadgets push prices up and as you say when it goes wrong it's costly.
In regard to cabin size there is too much plastic which impedes on legroom for the driver which proved that a car is no longer designed around the driver. My MK2 Punto had more legroom, better all-round visibility and a consistent 54 mpg. I refused to buy a new one. All new cars that have gearshift high up the centre console are no good for people with long legs and need to have the steering wheel centrally there is nowhere for the left knee to go.
The Twinair is maintenance heavy and doesn't like to be revved to hell. Apart from those two things it can serve a careful owner very well.
you can drive it hard every time. just dont do it 10 times a day but only one or two times and than it can take it quite easily.
My 93 Fiat Tipo has a light check feature with a diagram of the car and and indicates if the lights are working all the time and witch one is broken.I love that feature.
I agree with you I have a Vauxhall viva the TPMS is not working on the n/s/rear wheel I have just covered the light on the dash with a sticker
You ever consider that maybe you just made an awful choice of car? I used to work for fiat and the twin airs are not a good engine especially when in a punto and also would not class a 7 year old car as modern either, again being a punto they where about 4 years behind everyone else and awful inside and out, not to say I’m bagging on old cars because I myself have a 92 Nissan S13 but I also have a 3 year old Skoda Fabia Monte Carlo. I don’t think you owning one (not very modern car) for 2 months is really giving you the knowledge to bang on about how crap they are
I love my new Tipo 4door, I changed my AR 159 because of the kilometers and age.
An old car has more heart and soul, it's logical!
But with the new one I'm safer on the road due to less chance of something breaking.
I'm calmer, I have fewer thoughts
@nh73 the price is very good! You can also think to buy a brand new one now or wait two years for the restyling
I like your videos but you don't go to the gym :-) I also agree with you older small cars have character and are fun to drive.
Did at the time of this video 😁 (not weightlifting, as you can probably tell...)
Older cars are good until someone crashes into you and your seriously injured
No injury from MY accident in an older car 😁
@@MillerCorner even tho I like the Seicento you were lucky as fuck in that crash, I've seen Seicentos just desapair when crashed
@@MillerCorner yes but you were lucky and it could have been worse but thankfully not
(yes i am aware this video is old)
You mentioned the bulb warning, which actually my dad's old 2003 Galaxy had.
If both rear bulbs go, the car just stops. No warning. It did it at some traffic lights. On a steep hill.
Currently our present car, a 2012 Citroën C4 Grand Picasso, has broken too, the defroster broke.
Yeah we can't pick reliable cars... We had a (now extremely rare) Kia Carens MK1 pre facelift, which broke. We had a MK1 Galaxy Ghia, which broke. We had a MK2 Ford Mondeo, which broke. Yes, same story with all of our cars. That includes my dad's ancient Rovers in the 90s.
Try with a bicycle, if it breaks then you are cursed.
Get a classic and do same test
🤔...
Love the channel, in my opinion you bought the wrong car, the twinair is not a great engine, the gear change light is not intrusive and easily ignored, the stop start will stop working if you give it long enough and never turn eco mode on.
Mate that light bulp stuff is not a modern car thing. I had a 1999 bmw that had it. It also told me when a door wasn't closed properly. Electric windows, electric heated side mirrors, automatically darkening mirrors to stop blinding. Parking sensors. ESP, ABS. 6 Air bags. Every part in the car easily accessible, bulps etc super easy to replace. Sucky radio though. None of the electronics ever failed except the parking sensors. Fuel consumption well under the factory stats. I got it down to 6.9l /100km once and averaged under 8l through busy horrible traffic. Factory said around 10l. I can't have it anymore though because it gets taxed extremely extremely extremely high because of its factory fuel consumption rating.
It's funny you're calling a Fiat Punto a representation of a "modern car". it's basically a facelift of the original 2005 Grande Punto.
I've noticed that underpowered cars always meet the emission regulations but in reality have extremely high fuel consumption. More powerful engines end up being significantly more efficient in real life. For example a 1999 bmw 5 series will easily get below 7liters fuel consumption on the highway at high speeds. Try that with a 0.9 liter engine or a ridiculous 60hp vw UP. Even better put 5 people in each car. At that point the perceived as polluting bmw will have the same or better fuel economy than those underpowered cars and that's even though the bmw is 400kgs heavier. Now take a smaller car, drop a more powerful engine in it and you'd beat the most eco bullshit cars out there in real world fuel economy. Here is also an overlooked factor ; engine oil. Using good low friction (very expensive oil) dramatically reduced the bmws fuel consumption. I remember going 700km on the highway in one night at average speeds of well over 150 kmh and I got under 7l fuel consumption. How's that possible? Well since that old bmw is huge but flat and has a really low c/w aka wind resistance value, it can beat modern cars in those circumstances.
Is the punto a modern car really tho
Looking forwards to more super seicento videos
Agreed on most points, I've had a number of FIATs/Lancias. BUT how can you not touch on the addictive character of the TwinAir motor? One of the most interesting powerplants ever, and so Italian. A delight when kept in the power band. Plenty of character there, with 6 gears to stir.
I'd have to disagree - all the effort to move around, little to no reward. For my money, it's FIRE all day long!
@@MillerCorner Right on- but you can't say it doesn't have any character
Why leave Punto
Punto is awesome car
Your Punto and Seicento aren't in the same category, so comparing them in terms of size and efficiency is pointless. Like you, I agree cars are getting too big, too heavy and drivers too reliant on electronic gadgets to help them out. Of course, you can find ways around some of them. ESP can usually be turned off, change up lights and eco modes ignored. The extra weight, electric steering and electronic throttle, not so much.
Mate of mine has a seicento sporting that's slammed, stripped and straight piped and it might be the funnest most raughty car I've ever had the pleasure of going in. I don't see how a modern car could compare in terms of fun and character. Shame it keeps eating gearboxes though.
Love your stuff but...this is really kind of a false issue, isn't it? Maybe....*maybe* someone might buy a new car (with either a higher payment or an extension on "life with a car payment") in order to save a little bit on petrol or insurance...but the real concern is *always* the depreciation whack that the first owner will take (and never really see until it's trade-in time). It's all about *total* cost of ownership...not so much ongoing operating costs once purchased.
The purchase price is by far the smallest part of the vehicle ownership costs in my country. Taxes and insurance make good old reliable cars impossible to own. The insurance companys don't factor in the cars current value but instead it's value when it was new and the government taxes cars so high that cars from around the 2000s become prohibitively expensive to own, for example you'd pay nearly 1000€ in taxes on some regular old bmw. Where this twin air punto would be 50€ tax. The justification is environmental, but the puntos real fuel consumption is significantly higher than its factory claim while my ex bmw was significantly below the claim, in the end the old bmw would be the most economical choice if it wasn't for the ridiculous taxes. Damn punto even costs the same as a much nicer old 5 series. Cost of ownership in my country are ridiculous, just having a car stand around doing nothing is expensive. Cars are just way too costly in my opinion, its so ridiculous, basically one hour of the day you work only for your car, if you drive to work perhaps even two hours of your day go towards paying for it. Cars are money pits, i think society does it all wrong. I want bare bone basic cars, i dont care about safety, just drive slower, its well worth it if we could get to work a few minutes later but could go home an hour earlier with the same money left in our pockets.
Ive got a ford mondeo st I must say that my son fait is more fun but a car is what u do to make it more fun stand car are bordering
Gimme a standard Seicento over ANY standard modern car any day! 😁
I have just sold my 2011 car for a 2002 Mini 1st Generation car.
Forgot to say, my 2011 car was a twin air Fiat 500. Agree with what you just about Eco mode etc. Strangely enough I just had to take my twin air to have the bulb replaced.
Do you mind me asking, why did you change car to an older one?
2002 isn't a first gen Mini. That's the 1959 - 2000 car ;)
Oh my god are you mad????? I had one....never again! They are money pits. You'll need a mortgage to keep it maintained - mine had something go wrong with it every month, and parts and labour are astronomical, even if you go to a normal garage (not BMW). Good luck with it
@@cjmillsnun fact. And '59-'00 was the proper Mini. None of this BMW crap which breaks every month and then costs a fortune to fix
Those twin air engines don't get anywhere near the manufacturers fuel figures. That's because you have to work the engine hard to make progress. So you are using more fuel.
I think the 100hp twinair is the only right twinair for the Punto.
Weird thing is that I have a 1.4 8v Punto Evo, which has only 77hp. Yet it handles the car fine, and is okay with full throttle. With that power you'd think it needs to work harder than the twinair, but still, it's more economical than the 85 twinairs.
Those twinairs are almost like tuned engines. They get a lot of power from them, but that comes at a price. The bigger engines do it with less extreme needs
@@twowheeler1000 its fine, i own 85hp version. Better torq than 1.3 mjet and mileeees better than 1.4 8v. Pls dont say 1.4 8v has better figures, in 1.4 i had 7l lowest 6.5, twinair is 5.8l max 6.1
How much you looking for ?
How much you looking for ?
you dont like looking in your mirrors much fella
Get yourself an Abarth 595 Competizione. Preferably with the performance pack. Modern, but in terms of pure driving joy and fun you'll struggle to match it. I sold mine and currently drive a 700bhp RS6 and it's a massive regret.
The Abarths look ok, sound ok and go ok in a straight line. Unless there's a bump in the road, in which case they bounce like a space hopper on steroids. Terrible damping and overly stiff suspension, the steering feels as though it's connected by elastic bands and the manual gear shift feels like rowing a boat with the wrong end of the oar. It feels awful in comparison to even a basic Suzuki Swift or Ford Fiesta, never mind the hot versions.
It's a great tool but that's all it is? Sounds what most folk want, and if your car is failing its MPG that badly something is wrong, though I wonder if it's things like running Air Con over cold?