It's so stupid because it just teaches us more beginner Marisa players not to anti-air. You need to do that but because hers suck so bad there's no point. I wish they weren't so ignorant about it...damn.
@@TidleFrat It's honestly pretty fair. She does an obscene amount of damage, she has armoured specials and long reaching buttons, she is one of the few characters that can defeat a lot of burnout DI situations too. She has to have some weaknesses to compensate and her anti-airs are just that.
@@Staineless84 but her damage isnt enough of a reason to be THIS bad defensively shes top 1 in damage dont get me wrong but her best combo does like 300 damage more than luke and ryu who are better than her in every other category
i'm on a hiatus from sf6 but your videos are the reason i got to master on marisa and are the best way to keep up with marisa-related developments. do it do it.
Great video! Just one thing, I think her new max corner dp punish actually has only one target combo, followed by dr 4hp xx charged 4hp heavy gladius. It's verrrrry slightly more damage, 15 more I think
Great video, thanks! How many of Marisa's combos do you think benefit from swapping something out for the buffed target combo? Just the cash out DP punishes, or is it worth using in BNBs too?
I guess it depends what you mean by BnB. It will definitely be used when you land a PC 5HK no matter how much bar you want to spend. It also gives her a new safe jump from OD Dima (mostly useful for modern) and these routes build quite a bit more meter as well.
@@ZachHenke I see! I'm still learning the basics, so I was referring to the ones from your essential combos video, starting in 4HP > H Dima > Drive Rush and then going into a bunch of enders, usually off of another 4HP. Is it worth doing the buffed target combo instead of the second 4HP or should I stick with the routes from that video?
You don’t actually have enough height/time to get the target combo after H Dima. You do after OD Dima though, and it does net you more damage and meter gain in those contexts.
I didn't use that much s hk for some reason but now i think i will use it more (+ the fact that fhk also combos into that means that there are even more combo routes that i could imagine before so yippee i guess)
I really liked her character but i found her normal moves a bit wierd and they dont connect and have the hitboxes they should like some heavy jumping moves i hope she would have gotten some better normals
Honestly gonna drop her The only nerf she deserved was Level 3 oki. But everything else was a lot of overkill. She doesn’t have skip neutral tools. A lot of her buttons can easily be drive reversible Like it truly feels depressing to play this character. I don’t see any hope in her competitive future Let me know your thoughts cause I’ve lost hope with her
I played Abigail the entirety of SFV. She’s nowhere near as bad as he was in the final season. To be honest, I’m not sure she’s worse than she was. I think the 5HK change is a very significant buff.
@@ZachHenke I never played Sfv so I don’t know, but all this talk about “Oh her charged punches are more plus.” The problem with charged moves like standing heavy punch is people can literally just react and insta reversal. I.E level 1. Ex dp Etc etc drive reversal. There’s so much counterplay to Marisa it truly feels like she’s fighting an up hill battle nonstop. The only way I see her winning is if someone just mashes DP on wake up, The standing heavy kick buff is nice, but man she’s lost sooo much important shit,
@@Fanboy-ek9yf She barely lost anything. She still has oki from command grab. She can still avoid a lot of DI setups while in burnout, and she still has checkmate stuff after level 3. You’re dooming too hard. This game is incredibly well balanced, and she is in no way the worst character in the game. If someone is raw reacting to a charged heavy with level one you’re doing them too much. I don’t know what else to say.
@@ZachHenke Interesting. What check mate stuff does she have after level 3? What set ups are you doing? Command grab oki is still okay. I’m glad people can’t mash on wake up so I’m content with that, I’m only dooming because I don’t see the buffs she got as anything worth while, a lot of her plus frame buttons constantly get drive reversaled for free. Combined with her mehish neutral, it truly feels like she can’t STAY in after she worked so hard to get in, you know what I’m saying? Marisa easily is one of the most balanced characters in ANY fighting game I’ve played because I truly feel like there are a ton of weaknesses and exploits to that character
Yeah, I wanted to focus on non universal things. It feels like a cop out to do a video highlighting her biggest changes and then mention something that everyone got.
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Those stand roundhouse changes are SO appreciated good lord
Biggest buff for sure. I think it really helps her play in the meta a little bit.
Yeah, I'm a fan. Kinda just started trying to use it more before the patch so it's nice timing for me
I'm honestly sad her anti-air situation didn't improve.
They want her anti airs to be bad. They figure Gladius is one of the best moves in the game and it completely centralizes the ground game.
It's so stupid because it just teaches us more beginner Marisa players not to anti-air. You need to do that but because hers suck so bad there's no point. I wish they weren't so ignorant about it...damn.
@@TidleFrat It's honestly pretty fair. She does an obscene amount of damage, she has armoured specials and long reaching buttons, she is one of the few characters that can defeat a lot of burnout DI situations too. She has to have some weaknesses to compensate and her anti-airs are just that.
It's absolutely fair that she doesn't have a God anti button or move.
@@Staineless84 but her damage isnt enough of a reason to be THIS bad defensively shes top 1 in damage dont get me wrong but her best combo does like 300 damage more than luke and ryu who are better than her in every other category
That new corner combo ❤
Awesome summary of the patch thx zach
Thanks for checking it out!
i'm on a hiatus from sf6 but your videos are the reason i got to master on marisa and are the best way to keep up with marisa-related developments. do it do it.
Thanks man. I never know what to do after a patch this big. I'll wait for the new guide
Superb video, looking forward to the new stuff
Thanks. And thanks for stopping by the stream yesterday.
Great video! Just one thing, I think her new max corner dp punish actually has only one target combo, followed by dr 4hp xx charged 4hp heavy gladius. It's verrrrry slightly more damage, 15 more I think
Thank you, looking forward to new guide. Ready to grind out new patch
like before watching as usual! now let's see what the zach is cooking
Was hoping you would drop a new video. Appreciated greatly 👍
Appreciate the support. Stay tuned for more.
3:17 just bloody learnt to do that combo consistently 😂
Great video, thanks! How many of Marisa's combos do you think benefit from swapping something out for the buffed target combo? Just the cash out DP punishes, or is it worth using in BNBs too?
I guess it depends what you mean by BnB. It will definitely be used when you land a PC 5HK no matter how much bar you want to spend. It also gives her a new safe jump from OD Dima (mostly useful for modern) and these routes build quite a bit more meter as well.
@@ZachHenke I see! I'm still learning the basics, so I was referring to the ones from your essential combos video, starting in 4HP > H Dima > Drive Rush and then going into a bunch of enders, usually off of another 4HP. Is it worth doing the buffed target combo instead of the second 4HP or should I stick with the routes from that video?
You don’t actually have enough height/time to get the target combo after H Dima. You do after OD Dima though, and it does net you more damage and meter gain in those contexts.
@@ZachHenke Good to know, thanks very much!
I didn't use that much s hk for some reason but now i think i will use it more (+ the fact that fhk also combos into that means that there are even more combo routes that i could imagine before so yippee i guess)
100%. It's a way better tool to use now.
Man that command grab one hurts
I really liked her character but i found her normal moves a bit wierd and they dont connect and have the hitboxes they should like some heavy jumping moves i hope she would have gotten some better normals
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Honestly gonna drop her
The only nerf she deserved was Level 3 oki.
But everything else was a lot of overkill.
She doesn’t have skip neutral tools.
A lot of her buttons can easily be drive reversible
Like it truly feels depressing to play this character.
I don’t see any hope in her competitive future
Let me know your thoughts cause I’ve lost hope with her
I played Abigail the entirety of SFV. She’s nowhere near as bad as he was in the final season. To be honest, I’m not sure she’s worse than she was. I think the 5HK change is a very significant buff.
@@ZachHenke I never played Sfv so I don’t know, but all this talk about
“Oh her charged punches are more plus.” The problem with charged moves like standing heavy punch is people can literally just react and insta reversal. I.E level 1. Ex dp Etc etc drive reversal. There’s so much counterplay to Marisa it truly feels like she’s fighting an up hill battle nonstop. The only way I see her winning is if someone just mashes DP on wake up,
The standing heavy kick buff is nice, but man she’s lost sooo much important shit,
@@Fanboy-ek9yf She barely lost anything. She still has oki from command grab. She can still avoid a lot of DI setups while in burnout, and she still has checkmate stuff after level 3.
You’re dooming too hard. This game is incredibly well balanced, and she is in no way the worst character in the game.
If someone is raw reacting to a charged heavy with level one you’re doing them too much. I don’t know what else to say.
@@ZachHenke
Interesting. What check mate stuff does she have after level 3? What set ups are you doing?
Command grab oki is still okay. I’m glad people can’t mash on wake up so I’m content with that,
I’m only dooming because I don’t see the buffs she got as anything worth while, a lot of her plus frame buttons constantly get drive reversaled for free. Combined with her mehish neutral, it truly feels like she can’t STAY in after she worked so hard to get in, you know what I’m saying?
Marisa easily is one of the most balanced characters in ANY fighting game I’ve played because I truly feel like there are a ton of weaknesses and exploits to that character
Can modern do the combo at 3:26 I’ve been trying but it doesn’t work
Sadly, Modern doesn’t have OD quadriga, so you have to do a different route.
She has wake up option
Yeah, I wanted to focus on non universal things. It feels like a cop out to do a video highlighting her biggest changes and then mention something that everyone got.
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