Douglas Murray: Why don't Americans understand Britain's monarchy? | SpectatorTV
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Douglas Murray, The Spectator's associate editor, joins Cindy Yu to discuss why monarchies are good for politics. Americans have dynasties of their own - the Clintons, Bushes and Kennedys - why don't they understand kings and queens?
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I caught the Ali Velshi nonsense with Andrew Roberts on MSNBC. The ignorance and the hypocrisy shocked me. Velshi's family are Muslims originally from Gujurat. I was in Gururat on business, 20 years ago, when Muslims were killed by Hindu mobs. Velshi was born in Kenya and grew up in Canada. Had it not been for the Commonwealth his family would probably still be in Gujurat. Colonialism allowed him to get to Canada.
Colonialism also involved murder on a mass scale (in fact genocide) and billions/trillions of today's pounds in theft. Not the sort of petty theft that can get juvenile's labelled scum by the Sun. In fact, it was coordinated and managed looting using the best intelligence and military actions available. In fact, this was organised crime. I can't say in fact those jewels worn on the monarch's head were stolen because I would need to check beforehand. However, based on all the other theft, those jewels were probably nabbed from some country, or dug up by enslaved people in the colonies.
If Britain (including media organisations such as the spectator) were willing to have a balanced and honest discussion about British and European colonialism, then perhaps the commonwealth would not be at its most vulnerable point. Equally, due to the inconvenience of these facts, a true discussion about the British empire involving a diverse range of people's affected may make it more vulnerable than it is now. The German's have been able to move on from the shame of the holocaust and perhaps their colonial crimes because they were forced to face the facts. They are now more socially, politically and economically stable than the UK. Consequently, I recommend Britain faced facts about empire. As evidence demonstrates this could assist the nation in becoming more socially, politically and economically stable.
If not evidence demonstrates that we will continue regressing to more and more immaturity when journalists and public speakers offer perspectives and factually correct arguments that inconvenience/shame certain media audiences. These media organisations will then further this low level of debate and inflame outrage that clouds rational discussion and comment. If any moderator reads this, I must add that given the Spectator has guests like Lawrence Fox on their shows, I don't have much hope that the Spectator will change it's agenda. Instead, I expect this tittle tattle play ground nonsense will continue to be broadcast to viewers who perhaps just want to be offended to justify their own desire to offend. What this amounts to is people who want to feel like they are victims of something they are not victims of. Which is probably because they are victims of something else.
From here Psychological and social theories are best suited for explaining the mindset and behaviours of Spectator journalism, and the audiences who consume and participate in Spectator journalism. God save Britain!! This may be a more pressing matter for the Spectator rather than concerning themselves with CNN. Scotland want independence and younger generations in N.I are reconsidering whether they want to be governed by Westminster. However, the Spectator do not seem to care about finding solutions to the threat of Britain's breakup. Instead, they have opted for Fox like news coverage, masqueraded as respectable informed journalism. Like Fox news they made it possible for a totally incompetent man to lead a country and further the decline of their nation. Therefore, what are the motives of your agenda.
Speaking to the "progressives" in the language they want to hear, trumps all.
@@hebber1961 Maybe this is how the debate should be framed: The Progressives V The Regressives (Proud to be regurgitating old ideas, beliefs, values that no longer function to hold a nation of people together). But, Hey, Divide and Rule, attracted to power to the extent of desiring authoritarianism, and Liz Truss blames everything on the people rather than the system. The system she seems to admire the most is the Chinese system. I imagine she and the money that buy's her wants a A.I techno-Victorian style morality of obedient and robotic like people. When she talks I detect a shadow jumping out of her that is violent and schizophrenic or sociopathic/ this is who the regressives want as their leader!!! Why? Because they don't want cultural evolution, they want to reduce the world down to material parts, with complete and utter control. They want to be the leaders running their subjects like figures in a mammoth computer system. Their beliefs and attitudes that can be detected by their nihilistic arrogance and ignorance is material worthy of a grotesque dystopian science fiction vision of the future. Another question, is this why they are unwilling to listen and debate and listen to solid evidence? Is it really because they hate being proved wrong so much that they would rather screw the nation and its people? Are they really that arrogant/ignorant and sadistic?
Looks like you forgot to mention the train burning by muslim mobs🙄
@@sanasama2209 This is about the reporting on the British monarchy by American Journalists. The British monarchy is synonomous (I can't spell, sorry!!). Anyway, the monarchy and the identity it represents among certain media, political and other establishment circles doesn't like talking about the crimes that happened under it's rule. It doesn't want to question what it means/represents and whether it is a force for good as the UK moves on into another era. This circle of people do not want to face the historical facts. Instead they want to write history like some sort of medieval novel that the great Cervantes took the total piss out of in his 1616 masterpiece. The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha. Even in this title he was poking fun at the stupidity of following such ideas that emanate from the noble and god given rights of monarchs. Anyway, that was 400 hundred years ago and today people have access to even more of the insanity of such an institution. The question that Douglas Murray needs to be asking rather than having one of his regular tantrums, is, can the monarchy reform and overcome problems such as the ink running out of their pens during diplomatic meetings? Can the institution stem the god given creation of befuddled princes from hanging out with sex traffickers for the god given right to go to bed with under age girls? I can only speculate, but the poor queen probably felt a certain number of years older after discovering her son was guilty. Can Douglas Murray understand any of this? As for Cindy Yu, all she cares about is consumer goods, fuck knows what else?
I am an American. The United States is the success that it is BECAUSE of Great Britain. Canada, New Zealand, and Australia are also the good nations they are because of the English way.
@@hugosmummy1109 if they're not a success, the rest if the world is a catastrophe.
It's always amused me when I hear Americans called something like Paparelli or Berkowicz say things like "we kicked your ass in 1776" or "if it wasn't for us, you guys would be speaking German." In a country whose Declaration of Independence was written in English by men with names like Adams, Jefferson, Rutledge, Franklin, Livingston and Morris, and that had its genesis in Magna Carta. Personally, I've always seen the USA as England's greatest ever idea. It really is the New England. So as a proud Englishman, allow me to say from the mother country, long live the Republic!
@@hugosmummy1109 The crooked self appointed policeman of the world
@@hugosmummy1109 Hello June, thank you for your input. Yes, "success." Trade places with a guy or gal from Afghanistan and perhaps you will think as I do. Savvy?
@@hugosmummy1109 Yes. Success. If you don’t agree please feel free to try your luck elsewhere
As an American, I have always been fascinated with Queen Elizabeth II. I miss her already.
Thank you. So do we in the UK. God save the King. God bless USA.
Well Stated as for academe stop worrying about Empire,That was then worry about now. The MSM is totally Woke. Colonialism brought civilization. What happened after was tribalism dictators etc
This American has always been fascinated by British history and especially Queen Elizabeth ii, as she has been Queen all my life. 💔
@@andregrysify ❤️😥
As do we all!
I lived and worked in USA in late 1990’s. Now back in U.K. but still have a house there and spend upwards of 4 to 6 months a year in SC. I have received numerous notes of condolence from friends and neighbours; all warm and compassionate and commenting on how QE II was a wonderful and inspiring person, steeped in tradition and duty.
NYT is a rag and Washington Post not much better. Hiring in alt-Left Marxist writers from the U.K. (that are unemployable here) to spew vitriol and hate…. Awful people.
I agree , I've seen some really beautiful tributes and notes of condolence from people in America .
Does anyone care what Americans think about us brits🤔least of all us brits🤗
True , they seem to be going backwards and we should leave them to it .
Heyull NOOOOOO, don't give a toss. Have to feel sorry for America's terrible track record of allowing children to shoot children-in large numbers!
Of course, they have the P.R.O.U.D boys to tell them what to believe and do 😂
You mean some Americans, not all 350 million Americans. I would never stereotype all Brits. Mutual respect is always a consideration.
@@user-zl6xh5vf2u Tell that to the US media! Clean your own house 🇬🇧
Quite right Paul! 🇬🇧
In Canada the Queen was the Head of State. Now her son is. Canada was her second home. She visited Canada 22 times. More than any other country. I don't like it when they accuse the Royal family of colonialism. The present monarchy does not do that.
Don't let the Scottish hear you say Canada was her second home......
@@damiengirvan5020 As part of the UK Scotland is considered an aspect of her first home.
@@damiengirvan5020 Hopefully some hear when I correctly state that Her Majesty was also a citizen of Canada.
Australia's got it's share of these sort of journalists too. There's been a few truly offensive comments and takes on the Queen's death. Australian's understand the Monarchy (at least us older ones do), but I've got to be honest - American politics totally baffle me...
I'm not American either but I think the US is in a cold civil war between communists/fascists and constitutionalists?
USA HERE LYNETTE, AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WTF IS GOING ON IN MY COUNTRY!! OMG! WE ALSO ARE BAFFLED ! AND GETTING MADDER BY THE DAY!
Could Joe Biden walk behind a coffin, the length of Pennsylvania Avenue from the White House to Washington Circle in broad daylight, with no Beast or bulletproof glass? We are very different countries.
The tyrants who would assassinate a US president already have their way over here with the monarchy, why would they take up arms against a regime that works so well for them?
I hesitate to reveal my thoughts when I envisage Joe B. near a coffin!
Biden couldn't walk a fraction of that distance. He is a embarrassment to the American people and unfit to be President physically and mentally
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There was a hell of a lot of unseen security, trust me. The British tend to do these things quietly.
It is worth remembering that England did have a Civil War. The King was beheaded and a Republican took over. The people didn't like it, and ultimately put the King's son back on throne. Why? Because the ordinary people were no better off, they didn't have any fun - at least with the Monarchy they enjoyed the pomp and ceremony and were allowed to sing and dance.
Indeed
The ordinary people were no better off but the rich were fine (they had complained about the taxes they had to pay to Charles I) but were not getting the benefits they thought they would have, so they welcomed Charles II back to Britain. The poor, the peasants still continued to suffer after the restoration of the monarchy.
I agree with Douglas blaming our poor Queen for all the evils of Colonialism.They have done this in Spain where I live too on Spanish National T.V.I was horrified 😢
Spain should check it's own record on colonialism!!
We at taking the fall for everyone else
The kettle just got a text from the pot cupboard!! Is Portugese media trying the same trick? Maybe they should broadcast a travel piece on Luanda, the capital of Angola taking in it's glory days of the Portuguese rulers transporting slaves to an outpost called Brazil.
In New Zealand there is a debate whether the township of Picton should revert to its previous Māori name. One reason given is Picton was a slave owner. That has to be local Māori calling out the cowardice of the woke media, who will not mention that traditional Māori society would viewed a world without slavery as lunacy.
I married a woman from Peru. Try telling her about _British_ colonialism.
The Spanish Nation have even less to be smug about than the Americans, who let’s face it are just as culpable when it comes to empire building at the expense of others.
Genocide, Slavery, Colonisation, Spanish history is wide open to comment if that’s how somebody wants to view the world. Ironically, it was under Spanish Management that Columbus’ voyages started the ball rolling in South America.
Douglas Murray, spot on as usual. Glad he is in the US to both educate and annoy the hell out of the yanks. It must be like shooting fish in a barrel 😂
d.....umb sheep
It's not the yanks.. It's the MSM.. We have that same shower in this country.. They're not specific to America.. I honestly think it's coming from the EU's overreach into The Anglosphere countries.
Let's just hope that he doesn't miss! 😃
Only the democrats said horrible things. They like to pretend they had nothing to do with it when in fact it was them.
We don't deserve him, but glad he's here.
This is like a son blaming his dad for stealing an iPhone. He's literally standing in the Apple Store with it in his pocket going, 'No, my father stole it'. And his dad is 7 thousand miles away and died 400 years ago.
I've loved and admired Queen Elizabeth II all my life. I was heartbroken for our cousins across the pond. Believe me when I tell you that most Americans were genuinely sad when the Queen passed. She was truly an amazing woman and world leader..❤️
Thank you
I found the Monarchy easiest to understand through the ceremony of the removal of the Instruments of Office, at the funeral. You don't have to understand the Monarchy at every level in order to see the necessity for that role. I see the Monarchy as a continuity of legal authority. A Queen or King is not my spiritual mum or dad, and personally I had to pick the Christianity out of the ceremony for easier understanding. Another person might see the Defender of the Faith role as most important. Of course, the Queen was also a deeply respected human being. DM is absolutely right to point out that countries without a monarchy go to great lengths to recreate one.
Well done 👍 they are an antique institution of power and control and blink and they will be gone soon enough
I think this is a silly argument. In what country do the politicians not have to be famous and well known in order to Garner votes from people. How do you get votes if you're not known? Douglas explained it himself that doesn't have anything to do with dynastic matters and everything to do with celebrity. Also I'm pretty sure Boris Johnson's father was famous and Boris Johnson's sister is a famous journalist who's on television so what are you guys talking about. The silliest comment was claiming an Adam's dynasty. Two one term presidents separated by 20 years hardly a dynasty makes.
C C . 22. British Monarchs are crowned in a religious ceremony because during the coronation ceremony they are also anointed and are the head of the church as well as the. Head of State. And the instruments of State I.e. the Crown, the Orb and the Sceptre are an integral part of that religious ceremony. You will be able to observe this next year when the Coronation of King Charles III takes place as happened at the late Queen’s Coronation.
Recreate one ? 😂😂😂 Total lie,Name one!
@@anthonyoneill9053 it is a base human desire and necessity to form or invent a belief a code a religion or a monarchy. Britain has succeeded most of the world is jealous, aren't you glad you had the Queen and not a president?
Love Douglas so analytical I just think he puts everything in it’s place with his knowledge and education The world world be a better place if we could all have the same insight
Thank you for interviewing Mr Murray. He is a treasure to all free thinking persons
Trust DM for making my heart glow when he lays out the facts 🌈❤️
What facts so colonism never happend slavery was a fairy tale piece of racist skum go check real history
Well Stated !
I could listen to Douglas Murray for hours on end. I learn so much from this well educated and well spoken man!
Douglas Murray was evidently so inspired by the bearers of the Queen's coffin, by the Royal Regiment of Scotland in Edinburgh, by the RAF Regiment, and by the Grenadier Guards, that he had a military short-back-and-sides haircut. And he looks much younger. If he had been one of the bearers at Westminster Abbey on Monday, he would have looked totally in place.
Disagree. I think this new hairdo is not flattering!
I think the foundation of the english ethic is in the concept of 'Noblesse oblige' or “nobility obliges” which is an old English concept that privilege comes with responsibilities. the world can never be equal, the world should not be equal. but those with privilege must earn that privilege post hoc by acting with responsibility to the less privileged.
Exactly. The Queen SERVES not rules.
Dugless talking absolute sense as always.
Because the mainstream American media bias, I subscribe to UK publications: The Spectator, the Telegraph, and The Times. Far fairer coverage and much more intelligent writing
Loooove Douglas Murray Xxxx 🇬🇧 X
@Mandy Chadwick. This loving and hating of familiar - but distant - personalities isn’t a good thing. In fact History proves that it is dangerous. Approval is fine in this context but it should never be total (because that is what love is). Love involves an element of willing self-surrender. Plus the suppression of doubt. We can enjoy our politics without wandering into that kind of territory. It isn’t healthy. But of course I respect your sincere and honest feelings.
@@belindamay8063 There's LOTS of people i love... you've gone a bit deep on this one 🤣.... X....
This isn't about understanding or ignorance here in the states about the British monarchy. It is the lack of respect for other people. Even if I did not like the queen (i didn't know her). She was a grandmother, mother, wife and a human being. That alone is enough for me to at least keep my mouth shut. For someone to bad mouth a dead person not even in the grave, it truly reprehensible! I hope my brothers and sisters across the pond remember their Queen fondly. And I apologize for some of my country men's tomfoolery!
Absolutely wonderful Douglas. You open my eyes like no other,
I would be happy to subscribe to any view delivered by Douglas Murray, he’s always crystal clear and yet with a academic note! 😊
@3:37 - "The malevolence of the media..." How apt, and not only the US.
As an American, I liked QE2 and I feel the same as if my neighbor's grandmother died.
That being said I really don't understand how the monarchy works-who is in charge of what and what the titles mean. I just read a biography of Churchill during the war. Whenever they got to politics, I was totally lost.
So sad the ignorance of the people!
I love UK and their traditions ❤
I love Douglas Murray… he is Brilliant.. Thank You ❤️
Excellent, both. Refreshing to experience an interviewer and host who doesn't waffle and asks good questions that lead on from what the guest was talking about. Joined up interviewing make the whole thing flow.
I am an American who has had the privilege of living in London for work- but also experienced so many cultural pleasures. As an adult I grew to further appreciate, partly through your the edification of the Spectator and other media, the rich history and traditions of your country, your people, and the Commonwealth. I believe, from my limited perspective, that The Commonwealth reflects the greatest efforts and aspiration of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. As we collectively- regardless of political allegiance- move from mourning to what I believe should be a period of outright acknowledgment and celebration of Her Majesty’s reign, enormous historical accomplishments such as the creation of The Commonwealth of Countries needs to take its rightful place in history. We the people who exist now must stop being naysayers and become people who support and ignite positivity!
America should study their own brief history and discover their shortcomings not exactly covered in glory are they
When I was younger I always thought America was the bastion of freedom and liberty etc. ( Because that was what they kept telling us ). Gradually the more history I learnt , the more I learnt about their own ' imperialism' ... that all changed. How could a nation that had segregation preach to the world about such things ? Incredible.
@@andym9571 britain also had masiv levels of racsm
Get your head out of youras.
@@larrybuchannan186 Not state sponsored racism and nothing like the levels in the US. Anyway, I'm responding to American critism of us. Am I not allowed to do that ?
Cindy and Douglas , a treat
*Eye Roll* As an American (living in uber Republican Texas), I can say his description of the national mood towards The Queen is so far off the mark and not at all representative of American's at large. It was all that was on news for 10 days, the National Cathedral in DC rang the bell 96 times, all flags across the nation were flown at half mast, and sky scrappers in all the major cities were lit up with the Union Jack. In March, Gallup polling found 86% of Americans viewed GB very favorably....reflecting that the average American has an insane affection for the UK. So, while some negative ink may have spilled, the facts hardly back up his overarching thesis. But going out and saying "wow there are actually two groups of people that don't hate each other in this world" won't get you much airtime!
Excellent point. Our local library and all public buildings, in a small (population-wise) state far removed from the UK, had their U.S. flags at half-mast until the Queen’s funeral. That is a huge sign of respect that more accurately reflects the mood of the American people. CNN is not real life.
I think the answer is much simpler: a monarchy is something the Americans just haven’t got but that is key to the running of our country. The monarchy evolved over 1000 years in response, always in response, to the needs and demands of OuR people, culture, geography and the rest. We made it and it in turn defines us. The Americans simply haven’ t got it and can’t understand it, really. even the Americans who say they like the monarchy don’t really “ get “ it often. And to be critical about Americans for a minute: they do rather tend to think/believe that the way THEY do things is done because they are “right” and universally so. Countries who diverge are simply in error.
To throw my “tuppence” in here, I’m American and everyone I know was binge-watching the ten day funeral coverage and discussing it nonstop, including myself. For those Americans who aren’t Anglophiles, most probably don’t follow the workings of the British monarchy in general, and aren’t necessarily anti-monarchical.
You don't HAVE to be posh to work at The Spectator....but it helps!
+ Douglas Murray is one of the shrewdest commentators around.
I'm referring to all these posh Spectator JOURNALISTS with their plummy accents and posh backgrounds, give or take the odd Rod Liddle.
Don't be ridiculous. He has a good speaking voice, and fortunately, very welleducated, and erudite. I am always amazed at some of those on television with awful voices, and especially in America. Surely the voice is very important in the listening media?
I judge a journalist on the quality of their output, not whether they are posh or not which for me is irrelevant.
An sense of entitlement is American American Society.
7:38 The same could be said about religion (Christianity in this case): it takes care of that part of human nature that has to deal somehow with the transcendent element of our lives but it does so through a very well-understood, old, and thoroughly (by now) _declawed_ system while those who would simply want remove it, will only find themselves under the control of something new to replace the resulting empty space (because such is human nature), unknown, uncontrolled, and without any safety safeguards. Examples are obvious and numerous: Stalin's Russia (a particularly odious example) or the modern woke religion.
The older I get the more I see the truth of that. You are absolutely correct.
Good analysis as ever.
Who cares?! We Fled that system and never want to go back to it, thank you very much.
As a [........], I....
Fill in the blank. You just HAVE to state your identity before saying anything these days!!!
I never to do that , it's like excusing yourself for being what you are .
Your bang on about that
Well controversy is good for 'newspaper' and advert sales. And analysis of controversy makes it an even better business model. And analysis of analysis ....
Here in the UK the vast majority have no problem with the Monarchy under Elizabeth's reign. We have no interest in commenting on other Countries systems ( each to their own) or even advocating our system above others. It's a shame others, who don't even live under it, feel it's necessary to attack it.
Whether it remains as well supported under King Charles remains to be seen. He's carrying some baggage but has at least started well and I suspect most are giving him the benefit of the doubt - at least for the time being.
LOL. This is almost funny coming from somebody from the UK a country obsessed with the EU, the Germans, the French...
@@kodor1146 You seem confused. The UK has zero interest in the Constitution arrangements of other European Countries.
By the way, Elon Musk will be growing pineapples in Martian soil long before CNN will defer to the historical record.
So there is hope? CNN might be cured, sack the WOKE idiots?
We have acquired enormous wealth and power over the last 120 years. Want to watch a movie? we've got Hollywood. Want to watch a play? we've got Broadway. Want to listen to music? we've got the most vibrant and diverse music industry on earth ( for Spanish and English music that is ). Want to go to a good school? We've got lots of great private schools and Universities. Because of this, few Americans feel the need to look outside our own borders. Lastly, we've got our own empire, although we don't like to use that word :) We're a very spoiled nation.
Unfortunately, the press is mostly left politically. Don’t judge the country by its press. For them it’s all about sensationalism for them. I personally love the Queen & the RF. I feel close to Britain & it’s people. I like what you have there & think it would be nice if we had something like that. Americans seem to prefer Hollywood stars. Yes, we have our insanity tied up in Politics.
Has Douglas Murray moved to the US?
Seen him cropping up a lot here recently all over the place.
Great if he has .
Wish Julia Hartley-Brewer would cross the pond and get her own TV/radio gig here.
God Bless the USA
He lives in New York now
Sod off, we need them.
@@tcm8119 given the state of the place, an odd choice.
@@Generalscorpio Hey - we’re stuck with Harry & Meghan - I think getting Douglas Murray is fair compensation!😂
@@hankochai Harry and Meghan are borderline traditional for a country founded on rebelling against the crown.
You reap what you sow in that regard.
The idea of kings and queens is archaic. Whats to understand?
Well said!
Always liked the Queen but all of this is too much, surely there are more important things to discuss .
Indeeeeeee, Jesus, all over the news while the Earth burns and people are struggling. Yuck!
If one is ever in doubt or confused, just listen to DM.
As Americans no longer have a history of a Monarchy, the vast majority do not what Monarchy is and trying to explain it to them is like explaining colour to someone blind from birth.
It's not so much that, but they have no interest in things other then themselves and only what is the latest fashion/fad/etc. Our public schools are appalling. The kids today don't know their own history, much less European history like I was taught 50 plus years ago.
@@erosleroi7638 Concur with the lack of history being taught, hard to get a decent conversation out of youngsters today, and by youngsters I include any recent Uni Grads, they are dismally dim.
If you were asked if you wanted to be King, would you say yes without understanding what a king has got to do until your death?
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It’s really not all that difficult. If one is interested in British history and can read, one gains understanding. It’s not the same as living under such a system but it’s comprehensible that some nations are most successful with an hereditary and politically neutral Head of State.
As a Welsh woman, I don't understand the monarchy and the obsession with it.
@canninbach. So why did you bother ?
@@belindamay8063 If you meant, 'Why did I watch it?' I didn't. I never do if it concerns the royal family.
Perhaps Harry Boy could explain it to them.
After all ... he LIVES there!
Do Americans understand what an 'Electoral College' is?
NO, it is the opposite of Democracy, it fundamentally takes away One Man One Vote principle. It removes Equality. However it works particularly well for the rich and keeps power to "the chosen ones". If that Fraud doesn't work then try Vote Rigging, that worked well for the Demoncrats!
No one does, it is that way by design!
You might be surprised at how rarely the British Monarchy comes up in conversation in the U.S.
such an interesting conversation. Explains it all so well. Another perspective. Here in NZ I for one, love the royal family.
the history, the one constant in this often unstable and frightening world. We are tribal after all, we need good leaders. The royal family fit my bill. Thank you. Ill refer people to this talk, excellent.
He overstates his case. Most Americans are tired of the Bush and Clinton families. Most Americans are indifferent to the British royal family.
Indifference is fine, the point I believe Douglas Murray was making was the disrespect shown by some American commentators is borne out of ignorance of what a Constitutional Monarchy means and how it is enacted.
@@beatermax1 Exactly, be indifferent that's fine by me. But leave us alone to enjoy our system of government, and enjoy yours! If you can.
It's also a bit of a stretch to call the Clintons a political family. It's more of a power couple.
@@shehannanayakkara4162 How Bill Clinton is even still a thing is scarey considering how much he lied.
I don't think most Americans is a correct statement but I do thinkost Americans like myself have zero clue what the royal family does. I never understood at all what they do. I just went along with Queen Elizabeth 2 was ahead of her time and a role model for women in a man's world. What she did, no idea.
Thank you for correcting this.
Portugal also has a most wonderful history in South America. Let's get things right Now and not wallow in the past. We could start with China for a start
Hunter Biden for President 2028 😂
The Monarchy is Eternal!
Blaming the British monarchy for imperialism is rather dumb.
Had it not been for the monarchy, I suspect that the majority of British citizens in the 17/1800s would have supported imperialism anyway (it being a different time and all).
If something is objectively wrong it is wrong regardless of whether or not it was done because that's what the majority wanted. (See Germany circa the 1930s)
Is Douglas sitting on an electric chair?
What has he done to his hair?
😂 it looks like it doesn’t it? Hahaha
I like Cindy. She’s a great presenter.
Couldn’t keep our mouths shut? Americans don’t like to be silenced by sanctimonious Brits.
People from USA are mostly too ignorant that the Queen was head of state for Canada, their next door neighbour. I hate it when they refer to her as the Queen if England as if she was not Queen of Scotand and all the rest.
Whilst the Queen was fairly universally liked and respected throughout the UK, this is not the case with the monarchy in general. A significant number of people do not support the monarchy and would be quite happy to see it abolished.
Your sources of data for your assertion?
@@richardpennington5445 polls over the last 5 to 10 years, particularly those not carried out in Windsor.
We have our own aristocracy and family dynasties, we've just been at it for a much shorter time.
Such a pleasure and no little relief to listen to Douglas Murray in today's world of Woke commentators who either shout over others opinions or walk away when they know they have lost the debate.
What does it matter if the Americans understand our monarchy or not? They don't seem to care what we think in regards to anything concerning their own country, so why should the opinions of foreigners who don't like our form of government matter to us? Of course there are those Americans that do understand and do reach out to show support, and we are grateful for it. But for those who want to abolish the Crown, their opinions count for naught. They don't get a vote in this.
The late Queen, didn't put slaves,on a ship. We did that to our people. Mr Murray, go ahead brother, speak!
You mean American "dynasties" last a whole two generations, if that. Wow, what insight!!
Where is the Governor General of Canada?
Your vitriol is astounding
We fought a war to not understand it .
It’s goes against everything America the Republic stands for , fought and died for and won won our independence
Some advice for the USA ~ ‘If you live in glass house, one should not throw stones!’
Now tell me how important it is that Charles doesn't have to pay the 40% inheritance tax like everyone else. It's because of that magic blood anointed by God.
I believe that Americans don't care much or don't understand the monarchy in Europe. I don't think they wanted to be rude is just don't care. Is fine! We don't need American opinion anyway.
Douglas Murray would love City Of Woke by Thomas Mortimer
it's never a wrong time to discuss slavery and colonialism. i dare say H Late M would have agreed with that
Hes talking sense...thats a foreign concept to too many people here in the uk as well.
Anyone who has ever read orwel's Animal Farm and understands it could never be anti monarchy. The alternative is far worse.
Lack of education in USA on understanding the "Constitutional Monarch" form of government. I have to describe it over and over to many Americans.
britain has an apalng histry
There is nothing remotely wonderful about british colonial histry
It is terbl
I'm American and I'm sorry for the U.S. Media, CNN, The View, the article from The Cut. Such nonsense.
The Bash Britain Brigade is also alive and well in the University of the Fraser Valley in Abbotsford, British Columbia in Canada. What offends me most is that young, white men are the prime offenders. The Cascade, the University student paper had a most egregious editorial. I complained to the student administrator about this situation today. These young people feel that there will be no push back they are so arrogant as well as ignorant.
Plenty of Americans do. You can’t judge all Americans based on what you see on TV.
While some Americas are aware of Canada and England and other countries there are still a large number of American who are not well educated in their own history let alone other places. People along the Canadian border are well aware of Canada. It does not surprise me about the American media ( democratic influenced for badness)and the NYT who is also democratic influenced. There is a some element of " wokeness" going throughout society and it is mainly in the democratic and liberal voters. These woke people look for the WORSE IN PEOPLE and label people and things AS RACIST. SO it does not surprise me their attitude about the Monarchy. THEIR LOSS
Britain is lucky that it has a ruling hereditary monarchy that's, to a certain extent, separated from politics and can act as a unifying influence on the country. There have long been anti-monarchists going back to the 1300s, but the English tried life without it for 20 years during the Puritan Interregnum and then invited Charles II back from exile. The Windsors aren't perfect as individuals, but they do stand for a kind of dignity and continuity lacking in America, which is why Americans do, as Douglas says, look to political dynasties. I increasingly believe that the American Revolution may very well have been a mistake.
Monarchist whataboutery.
There are quite a lot of people in the UK who don't understand why we have a monarchy. The American response was a refreshing change compared with the sycophant we have had to put up with.
Refreshing change itcwas just insulting
Don’t worry about it, be glad you don’t have one of your own👑🚫
They are not interested. Don't take it so badly 😉 that's why they left a few hundred years ago maybe you noticed
Lol
Yeah, but we see that as a lucky escape!
The frustrating thing is a lot of my foreign friends have soaked up all this absurd negative press about the queen and it's made me realise how truly toxic this whole woke movement has become to our society...
I suspect these people are toxic anyway. They need to justify it by nailing their colours to an (often ill-informed) woke mast. I call it the "cloak of woke".
It was never less than toxic.
America has always been jealous of Great Britain. They still look up to us - and we look down at them.
@@Happyheretic2308 Grow up
I've always said it - They might be woke, but they're not very bright
Empty vessels make most noise. The ignorant have the most to say on everything.
Absolutely ,!
I hope that you are referring to the American media ! 👍
@@erosleroi7638 They may be the worst, but Americans are not alone in their ignorance, it's widespread.
@@madcyclist58 True - up to a point. But think it undeniable that the worst aspectsof American culture have spread across the world like bindweed - we see it in the social media. I came too it late in the day and was very unsettled by it. What I miss in all the populist ranting is the important “authorial’ voice. - which we used to get from the national newspapers across the political spectrum. Today, American values and ceremonies derive entirely from the world of entertainment.( That is why they like our Royals. ) Fame! There is no other kind of cohesion or frame of reference. Drama has pushed real politics to the margins. Education is no more than a useful commodity. Thoughtless ignorance is a better investment in this new democratic age : that’s where the smart money is going.
I think I should add that I am a life-long ( pushing 90 ) democratic socialist, and like most of my friends and political associates, a strong supporter of our Monarchy. For very good reasons. Republics have every right to do what they want.
I remember how we stood with the U.S.A when Kennedy was assassinated. No mention of his private dealings or the most horrible man his father was to Britain.
Who?
@@frenetic1057 Joe Kennedy was an anglophobe and fought Roosevelt tooth and nail to avoid America joining the allies in WW2
Well said .
@@frenetic1057 President John Fitzgerald Kennedy his father was Joseph Kennedy in league with the Black Shirts in Britain Sir Oswald Mosely. I should read the history books.
He was the American Ambassador in England just before the start of World War 2.