5:30 Venn diagrams: What is intersectionality? 18:47 Epistemology 32:25 "Listen and believe" vs. "Listen and consider." 34:50 Scripture: "Papers that quote other papers." 36:40 Intersectionality; what it gets right. 38:30 Trojan Horse Terms (ie: Racism, Inclusion) 44:25 Empathy considered problematic. 45:20 Definitions: "Hegemonic, " "Problematizing," "Deconstructing." 48:40 Heresy ideals lead to violence. 50:25 The Devil: "Hate" (which includes criticism.) 51:30 Equity vs. Equality 54:15 Cultural Constructivism (Defeated by Dr. Pinker in "The Blank Slate") 55:10 Rampant Biology Denialism 58:00 Partial Mythic Structures 1:00:30 "more dangerous than phrenology," "It's being institutionalized." 1:01:15 "Privilege preserving epistemic push back" 1:02:20 "Uncle Tom" as unfalsifiable smear. 1:16:30 Intersectionality is "calvinist theology that took God out."
Thank you for this. Is so useful when someone provides these topic markers. There is an important point at about 1:03.49 where Helen answers a question pertaining to how to push back against zealoted people. She suggests the utility of striving to "meet people where they are" in order to attempt to at least understand what is driving their motivations and the thought structures that are informing them, this intellectual concession being worthwhile and essential in order to avoid extinguishing the tiny ember of possibility for fruitful engagement. I think it is a really important point.
That is because it is basically a tirade of opinions emerging from a discussion among consenting voices. A decent discussion would involve some debate. It is hardly rigorous on an academic level, even though they are touting themselves that way as a panel. How droll and simplistic their diatribe is. So, it is basically a roundabout and if you follow it you will be turning in circles until you run out of petrol
I was a far leftist because I am against big business, corporate collusion, corruption, racism, and I will always be a fierce advocate for free expression. My position on those issues has not changed, yet I am now at odds with most of the left. What the hell happened?
Kyle Clements I'm far right and I'm against CORPORATISM (not the free market) corruption, racism and the defense of free expression. And I have no clue what has happened....
@Kyle Clements I've never met a "far leftist" who was, in fact, "a fierce advocate for free speech". Just as discussed in this vid, my experience is those are people most likely to screech down any discussion that does not "toe the line".
Context: I'm not american. Just to quote a work colleague, who is very left leaning, political active and party member of the social democrats (germany), when we discussed feminism, gender and stuff: "That stuff is not left."
According to Alexander Bard, a Swedish philosopher and author, the left in Sweden abandoned Marx for Rousseau during the seventies because the working class was pleased and didn´t strive for revolution anymore. This is when the brandishing of the oppressor and the victim began, with the goal of tearing down power structures in society. The problem becomes when you realize that fantasy, because all of a sudden you are tearing down society itself! There ain´t no free speech among corporations anymore, no matter the size. Western society is continuously being trained that only certain opinions are okay, Bard himself was kicked from a TV show because of Freemantle. The wokeists have abandoned reason and they are somehow expanding all around us. They are the true threat against democracy, because everyone who doesn´t agree becomes branded with "racist", "bigot", "homophobic", "islamophobic" and whatever they can think of. People in Sweden are starting to notice, you can´t express any criticism anymore and expect to keep your job. This phenomenon is spreading through all layers of society and continue to poison it, our politicians are a joke. And from what I can tell it´s even worse in the US. We might even be looking at the end of Western culture as we know it, when they are talking about tearing down statues and rewriting history then you know we are going down a dangerous path.
I’m watching this 3 years later and after Peter left Portland and he has aged more than 3 years due to the foul abuse he has endured but these three have guts and character
bs the so called dr. of math claimed buddhism not to have a deity yet ignore Budha was a man they deified, hindus have a pantheon of 12 gods and one above the rest and the same for the demons 12 demons and one shiva to rule them, did you even listen to what was said clearly not.
I get it. It's like when you discover a great band but it's your little secret with your friends. I went through this with Talking Heads. These guys give you that feeling.
I was afraid that I was the only one who noticed all these parallels... It's so surreal to see other people discussing these observations and ideas... I'm almost convinced that I'm asleep and dreaming that I am watching this video... I really wish I could meet these three speakers and discuss this whole topic with them...
@@vitorodino8760 I've been better, been worse... Over the past year it's been nice to learn about the grievance studies affair and the people involved in fighting back against this cultish phenomenon. And it's been very frightening and depressing to see how many people have suddenly bought into this morally bankrupt ideology since these latest protests began.
I now treat them the way they have treated Christianity... that is how you combat sjws. You call them what they hate and tell them you don't consent to having their social doctrine shoved down your throat. Arguing logic does not work. I'm a centrist who believes in equality and personal and fiscal responsibility... I don't accept the labeling done by the sjws. What happened? We were apologists for far too long.
I live in Seattle and intersectionality feels like the most popular religion here. If you go on dating apps you can see how common and powerful it with many female dating profiles mentioning that anyone who disagrees with their common intersectionality elements should swipe left.
The way Pete ties it all together from Helen and James, is exceptionally skilful. All 3 are great to listen to. This helps me to realise that I wasn't insane to challenge it.
These 3 are EXACTLY what is needed. Academics on the left criticizing and dismantling the radical leftist ideology. I really hope to see a lot more of these guys.
@ - Yes, same with me. Now my path is centrist and against corruption. Am going to stay leftist in ideology for now, but just pursue issues with pragmatism and using science to solve problems. No contact with intersectionalist PC narcissists for me, thankfully I left before they became dominant. It seemed like white guilt over their own status projected across the whole race.
@ - Thanks for the advice. Am a firm believer in science and recently since leaving the left have re-examined "Social Darwinism" and how evolution relates to human society. The idea of humans as controlled by biology seems centrist, the left/right tug of war uses Darwin to boost their claims. Humans are either selfish of communitarian, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. It feels good mentally to be free of the intersectionality that was polluting my brain since having heard about it. Some of the beliefs were absorbed by me, now my mind is being cleared out of all that clutter.
Agree. I fear, however, that the damage to academia is too massive to ever recover. I don’t think I will ever be able to trust the universities as a source of truth. The nonsense and the legitimate are too intermingled to ever sort it out.
Anyone know, how long has he been wearing beanies? Like back when he was a teenage skater, was he already wearing them then? I can't imagine him without his iconic beanie! Edit: 1:10:00 Lol I just noticed -- the guy in front of Tim is wearing a beanie too. May be a nascent trend. . . 😄
Yeah I've been watching a lot of Bret and Heather Weistien/Heying as well lately. Prophetic doesnt even begin to state the importance of all of what these folks were trying to tell us 3 years ago.
Yes! I've just read Professing Feminism by Patai and Koertge from the 90's. They were warning about exactly this. The mistake was made when women's studies was established as a seperate field instead of incorporating women's studies into established fields. This created the viewpoint epistemology, who no one criticized, because it was published in women's studies journals, that no one read but women's studies profs. I'm not saying that all women's studies is bad science, but a lot of it is.
Tom P yeah, the red pill is the best no-nonsense description of gender relationships. Just throw in some empirical verification and you would end up with a pretty good model of intersexual human behavior.
I keep coming back to being shocked that this sort of thing is knowingly taught in universities .. ideas that cannot be challenged? That seems like thee act opposite of what should happen on campus
There is a direct parallel between the religion of Intersectionality and the "Savior" concept of Christianity. In Christianity, the problem is sin. To be absolved of sin, you need Christ to take it away from you and pay the price of sin for you. In Intersectionality, the problem is privilege. To be absolved of the sin of privilege, Guilt takes the place of Christ, which is fascinating since in Christianity Christ is the freedom from guilt. Intersectionality is such a vile construct that it actually posits the reverse: salvation is to be guilty. In Christianity, Christ absolves you of guilt. In intersectionality, Guilt MIGHT absolve you from privilege, but unlikely. Best see if you can heap more of that guilt on yourself and go from there.
You might like the Thiaoouba Prophecy Christ literally just came here to preach love of yourself and all others.. and to PROVE that there is an afterlife (reincarnation). Christianity fucking disgusts me...
Helen Pluckrose really managed to in a concret and condensed way explain how the ideology works and how it came into being and its clashes with other left ideologies.
When you hear well thought out reasonable rational logical evidence based people like these brave and interesting academics.. it just feels like my brain is being cleaned or soothed in a way . Finally some reason in all this insanity.
That kinda sounds like the uplifting of being "morally clean" that they were talking about in regards to wokeness. So careful you don't create a new religion yourself 😂 Actually I do think 'Red Pill' manosphere philosophy is similar to intersectionality in that it's taken on the form of a religion. For them things like 'gynocentrism' are like original sin or privilege. I bet if we examined it closely we'd see a lot of parallels.
Don't be so sexist. The woman has a lot of soft cushion on her body to conform to the chair and not tip over. For the big man the chair is too small and he is more densely muscled so he needs to plant his feet firmly like a tripod.
Probably couldn't understand it because of intersectionality - Its called selective universal oppressive educational experience........very damaging and traumatic. People actually report hearing loss as symptom!!
50:35 "This talk we're giving now is certainly hate." The fact that this would be an entirely accepted & agreed upon statement in intersectionality circles says quite a bit.
I'm not a Republican, I never will be. I'm not a Democrat, I never will be. My solution for a more neutral educational system would be to encourage more Conservatives into the field of teaching. This seems obvious.
This discussion holds equal high weight and importance today. We are in troubling and worrying times indeed. Science, rationality and liberty (the traditional version); needs to prevail. God help us
"We've lost a considerable amount of individuality, because people in certain categories are are expected to think act in certain ways. If they don't, they're not considered representative of those categories. And we've lost shared humanity." Yes. Intersectionality acts to divide us into hierarchies of oppression, where the assumption going in is that people cannot come to a shared understanding of life in any meaningful way. I'm below you on the oppression ladder, so my opinion is worthless (unless I agree with everything the guy above me on the ladder says).
Exactly. The cult of Intersectional Feminism reminds me of a virus -- it exists only to infect healthy systems and make more of itself, until the previously-healthy system has been completely destroyed; then it moves on to the next one, and the next one, and the cycle continues. Eastern Europe seems to have some immunity because they've already survived the Marxist tyranny of the Soviet Union; but I wish humanity could discover a psychological vaccine. I worry about our future as humans.
Unpacking something marginalizes people of lower mental ability so its serves to power the inequitable status quo therefore its morally wrong and you're a bigot
This is fun. Back in the early 1990s I was part of a promotion review to evaluate whether my organization was unfair in some way. We simply talked to people up for promotion who had been in contention. My first interview was with a black guy who flat said, in these words "I was promoted faster and further ahen anyone in the divisions history, but if it were not for this god damned discrimination I would have this last promotion!" The man was two rungs up from me, and younger as well! Who was I but make to Chronicle, but rather breathtaking. The next person I interviewed was a Latino woman who ranted and raved about her sexist boss and she went on and on, in graphic detail. Then it became appareng she was talking about my previous interviewee. At that point I knew it was hopless and the best thing I could do was write up an exactly accurate work paper then scheme for eaty retirement. Which I did with great success.
Thank you for hosting this debate and thank you for participating in it most of all. I don't hold much of the same beliefs but. Am willing to listen. Thank you for debating and conversating.
Thank goodness we have smart good people like Peter Boghossian, JBP, Jonathan Haidt, Dave Rubin, Gad Saad, Christina Hoff Sommers, Camille Paglia, Dinesh D'Souza, Eric and Brent Weinstein, Ben Shapiro, Steven Pinker, Brendan O'Neill etc, etc on the side of sanity.
I think this is a vitally important discussion and agree with the need to push back on the insanity. But there are some terrible people on your list. 😂
Dude, the word salad bar has had all the labels changed, cucumbers are the new tomatoes, oil is the new vinegar, and crutons now look at lot like the old olives, just sidel-up and spoon yourself out a bowl of identity and don't worry about communicating because understanding and meaning are now completely subjective, nominclature is no-men-rape-sure or new-men-rapture depending on your neopostmodernist pronunciation or postneomodernist pronostication, depending of course on your logomastication at the salad bar of i-dent-titty. I hope in light of this new dada, scientific understanding has been advanced
1:03:00 ¿How can we fight against intersectionality if it can be considered as a religion? I work in a University in Spain, and I think the key is to make people understand that personal beliefs shouldn't be mandatory in any educational system.
This video deserves many more views. It's the best I've seen and I've seen a lot. The same guys on Rogan recently were hilarious and again gave many remarkable insights.
55:40 re: Biology denialism. This is so weird to see 4 years later. Rampant, unrelenting biology denialism is just everywhere. It was only maybe 12-18 months ago, the narrative was "nobody's saying sex isn't real" but now they say it out loud and people have been fired for it. I've watched this a few times over the last 2 or 3 years as I often come back to some of the ways things are described, but this the first time this bit has jumped out at me, and it's creepy as hell, because of how infected society became with it.
As these guys demonstrated, once you have a handle on the relevant theory (or theories) it is relatively easy to pump out the journal articles. Is one reason why intersectionalists, etc are so dominant in the academy is that it is correspondingly easier for them to publish the required number of journal articles for tenure?
At one point James says “it’s not in all of the university”. Oh man, how things changed in 5 years. How did I miss this video.. glad to hear every minute.
Can people stop saying “unpack” ffs? “There’s so much to unpack here” “let me unpack that for you” etc. it’s like people saying “,right?” after every sentence. “Oh god Sam Harris says unpack so I need to say it too”
That all started with Peggy McIntosh, who was born way back in the 1930s, a whole generation before the Civil Rights Movement. Peggy wrote an elitist paper about a supposed "Invisible Knapsack" of privileges with which all white people were allegedly born. *SHE* was born with lots of the privileges she lists (like, being able to afford to buy a home in a neighborhood where she wants to live; and getting high-quality hotel shampoo). But I have plenty of white friends who can't afford to buy a home where they want to live; and it's actually easier for me (a brown woman) to find a bandaid that matches my skin tone, than it is for my blonde white friends (matching band-aids are supposedly another "white privilege"). Peggy grew up wealthy, and her Invisible Knapsack is class privilege, not white privilege. And -- wealth is the one privilege that she doesn't include in her outdated, puerile little manifesto. But she's one of the Saints of Intersectionality, like Kimberle Crenshaw; so people have used "unpack" ever since.
So, If I'm at a 4 way stop and we arrive at the same time, who goes first?? Ughhh....This DMV stuff is complicated!! Who knew getting your drivers license had so much to do with morality and religion?! Total blind spot, glad I checked this one before my test!!! Thx for the heads up......Cheers!!! 👍🚗🚗🚗
Best of luck on the test Kenny. I'm sorry they didn't answer your question. However, as far as I know... as long as you don't identify by you biological sex you'll have the right of way at any intersection. If there's a dispute... don't be afraid to standup and insist on your preferred pronouns. And really mix it up Kenny, because this is a chance to shine. Hope this helps
Daniel Maher wow, well I will certainly write that down Daniel, that should ensure success when I re-take it. Driving is tough but you learn a lot about the complications of your identity and it's relationship to your control of the power steering. I never knew !!! 😅🤔
So when they talk about speech constructing reality; in my mind they are talking about magic -- intention manifesting itself in the physical plane. If that is the case then magical thinking is now being taught in liberal arts universities?!?
Closer to the truth than you think. These new divisive and lunatic idealogies were literally conjured into reality by practicing occultists with wicked intent.
@@michellelekas211 I'm going to refer you to good ol' Richard Feynman, "If you think you understand quantum mechanics you don't understand quantum mechanics." If you don't have an advanced physics degree you, much like myself, have no place talking about quantum anything.
And just like people seem to be afraid of criticising religions publicly they are also afraid of criticising this intersectionality stuff. I mean, we see it all the time. People don't want to challenge other peoples ideas. "What's the harm? Everyone can just believe whatever they want!". Of course there's always harm when you're chosing to ignore reality. People just don't want to have uncomfortable conversations. They don't want to be seen as troublemakers. They don't want to be seen as intolerant.
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At 1:52:35 the man asks "what causes all the private companies to open their doors to invite intersectionality in"? His answer: "Paralizing fear of being labeled racist". What these three speakers don't realize is that there ARE Gods and living Spirits that are above and outside of humanity and fed by humanity. Intersectionality talk awoke the intersectionality spirit and it grew stronger and stronger until it had a life of its own, and now we must all bow to it. And when we bow to it, we can suckle from its supernatural teat. It feeds us a psychic sustenance (inclusionary endorphins) and at the same time it siphons out more energy from us as well, but it is more than just a commensal relationship, it is a mutualistic relationship where both parties (the NPC's and the Flying Spaghetti Monster) create and gain power from nothing, like a perpetual motion machine.
Thanks for sharing this. I'm not a Republican or a straight party voter. I tend more towards liberal. But the intersectionality idea is so, pardon the term, problematic for me. Are we really supposed to assume that people of a different race, sexuality, or gender see the world and behave in the world in the same way? It's racialism or tribalism being revived. There's a laziness to the argument for the doctrine intersectionality.
Who's the student in the pink DUF coat? Thought they'd be a protestor (literally judging solely on looks) but, instead, was politely listening and taking notes the entire time. LOVE IT.
Yes, it's important for us to remember that not everyone who looks like a part of the Intersectional Cult, actually is. My (black) hair sometimes looks blueish/purplish in really bright sunlight, and sometimes I feel like I need to be wearing a shirt that says "No I'm NOT an Intersectional Feminist." 😁
Heroic. These guys are fighting at the front line of knowledge and truth and the future of thought itself. They'll lose obv, but damn it theyll be able to say they tried.
What's often missed from these discussions is why it is attractive to young people, who are propping it up. Just like a religion, it is providing an outlook on the world that explains (however suspect it is) why they are not achieving what they think they should be achieving. I think what this stems from is a lack of hope among young people that working is worth it to lead a happy and fulfilling life. There seems to be a perceived lack of opportunity for young people and so, from what I think stems from goodwill, they want to dismantle the system that they think is failing them. As investment is increasingly removed from young people and their futures, this ideology is making more and more sense because the system is increasingly not working for them. I think the onus is on the government to invest in young people, give them hope, instill sensible values and theyll see that actually it doesn't need to be dismantled, it's good. And then I think all this ideology will go away. Of course young people need to work hard and take responsibility,, but I also think so many think what's the point there's no hope anyway.
41:50ish I disagree that the original civil rights movements were equality movements. Women got the vote without the draft. Blacks got citizenship in a modern nation without ever producing one. Nobody said you couldn't get married because you're gay. You had the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else. You just couldn't marry someone of the same sex, which nobody else could do either. That's like saying it's discrimination that the heroin you buy in the street isn't called a prescription. That's not heroin addicts being discriminated against and denied prescriptions. It's just using the definition of words correctly. Heroin wasn't prescribed by your doctor so it isn't a prescription. Gay relationships aren't ageements to have and raise each-other's kids, so they're not marriages. Calling heroin medicice and your heroin purchase a prescription isn't equality for heroin addicts. It's a special accomodation for heroin addicts.
“When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.” ― Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values
You can, and maybe should, combat intersectionality the same way many Christians claim to combat sin: love the sinner, hate the sin. In other words, first establish your investment in the worth of the individual. Tie in your concerns about their ideas with your concern for their well-being as a fellow human being. Then, from that anchor begin to slowly, carefully, and thoroughly wipe the sludge that's impairing their view of reality without attacking their dignity or individual sovereignty.
The problem with the discussion around the 1:00 mark, is that it works both ways.... the three claim that they will be accused unfairly of an -ism ( or phobia) ...but they cannot prove that they are not actually being the -ist ( or phobe.)
Is the title a rhetorical question? Of course, Intersectionality is a religion. It's a secular moral system for behavior that is based on the belief that their group can have an authority and are conferred preferential status based on a subjective hierarchy of moral consequentialism without any accompanying responsibility or agency. If that isn't a model for organized religion I don't know what is and their Church is simply the universities themselves. Their canonical saints are Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, and apparently, Michael Eric Dyson is their modern Jimmy Swaggart.
Will Carter Be okay if they just stayed on campus and slowly went insane. As you can see, they're undermining Western Civilization itself. We need to stop joking about it and stop ridiculing it and push back.
Nice to see the insecurity of Atheists now being persecuted for their 'beliefs', and joining Conservative Christianity for a friend, as Christianity is tolerant and will listen.
@@michellelekas211 maybe you missed the irony. It is that only 'Christians' are open minded as their beliefs came from an open mind. It is other Atheists who reject the reasoning of 'Christians' that close down debate. The three seem to want the openness and freedom to speak of 'Christianity'. Which shows there are different Atheist religions.
@@simonskinner1450 They've done talks for atheist, agnostic, freethinkers, Jewish, Christian, and classical liberal groups etc: And news flash, there's plenty of Christians who are into this woke critical theory bs that would not be accepting of their philosophy; so your point about Christianity being open minded as a whole is moot. Also, atheism isn't a "religion" as you so inanely tried to argue. It's simply the position of disbelief in a god or gods. Nothing more, nothing less. Religion is: "a social-cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, morals, beliefs, worldviews, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that relates humanity to supernatural, transcendental, and spiritual elements." None of which applies to atheism. Like Michele Lekas pointed out, it's like you didn't even listen to the lecture.
Ha brilliant. Mencius Moldbug already came up with the term "The Cathedral" a while ago. I am glad to see that intelligent people are coming to the same conclusions when it comes to progressive orthodoxy.
Now. .. we just need an absolute monarch to abolish the fed, fire all civil servants, humanities professors and MSM journalists in a bloodless coup....
I think I'm a conservative and I know I'm a Christian and I disagree with some statements they made about Christianity. But I think this video is very valuable and they are very knowledgeable about how fundamentalists think. With fundamentalism I mean the current understanding, not the original, literal understanding. 1:06:00 I love Lindsay definition of secular. It shows that he's a person of great knowledge in his field. Google says secularism is the state of being separate from religion. Lindsay says secularism is the state of being separate from any ideology. Googles definition does not include communistic thought or the assumption, that the universe needs to be eternal because it can not have a beginning and therefor a creator. 1:44:45 That's how you know someone is looking for the truth. Thank you for the talk and for uploading.
“You’re welcome for modernity.” That is what I tell people when they say I have white privilege and need to take responsibility for some of the ills that people who have my skin color apparently committed. If I have to take responsibility for all the bad, I get to take credit for all the good. White societies built the modern world.
Aye, but that's the complaint, too. Competence is bad because it makes people in-equal, so competence is oppression. The Asians didn't own slaves. They don't run the system. They don't have any racial grievance in history to atone for or unearned position of privilege from their peers running the system. Yet they're the most discriminated against by affirmative action, because they over-represent the most in college admissions and hiring to well paying STEM fields. They're the most discriminated against, because they get the best grades and test scores. It's a racialized Harrison Bergeron.
The other hope is that the religion of intersectionality is simply incongruous with biological existence. Thus, it is simply inevitable that it dies in its current form and then transitions again into another system of inappropriate conflict with the systems that are in place due to life’s intrinsic unfairness in any system that will ever be implemented. Or in simple terms, the unwise that are pissed because life can suck and they, or people they care about, have gotten the short end at some point. “Jealousy, turning saints into the sea, swimming through sick lullabies.” The Killers
Helen Pluckrose and Kathleen Stock are always the clearest, most well reasoned, and easiest to understand speakers on a panel. Btw I love the name Pluckrose. Sounds like name of a character in a ponty python skit.
That's funny just today I was telling my psychologist what intersectionality is & how intersectionals I've met have been like & she said "geez it sounds like a religion" lol. That's before I ever saw this video
My new frame is accommodating vs. assimilation? Whether individual or organizational. So many social systems are assimilating. Theres always a social negotiation however its becoming too much assimilation in my experience. With individual it can be easy to tell : if the conversation is all about me and how i have to change and the other person(s) position merely as witnesses - thats assimilation especially of the other isnt willing to listen in good faith.
I can’t believe I found this video. I’ve been trying to put this whole concept together for like 2 years now and thinking why hasn’t anyone pointed out how evangelicals exist on the left and right?!!
Intersectionality is a theory that has more to do with living out your psychpathology on a grand scale than anything else...and I’m not trying to be flippant. It’s the Orwellian nightmare.
Great sharing!.It broaded my perspective about the current state of political and academic affairs right now and also the most interesting thing for me has been to discover what drives people to this ideology. Specially enjoyed James Lindsay contribution Thanks for sharing
and I asked my daughter if Dr. Boghossian was discussed in her education classes after his grievance studies was released with Dr Lindsay and Ms. Pluckrose.....she said that topic was not allowed to be discussed and was warned not ask about this topic
@@Jester123ish If that we’re the case, there wouldn’t be any courts deciding on events that happened in the past. There’s no statute of limitations on things like murder, so it’s totally workable. It just depends on what you’re dealing with.
@@greenlight8819 Oh, if you're going to that extreme EVERYTHING is in the past. The previous injustices we shouldn't be scapegoating people for happened in historical times.
5:30 Venn diagrams: What is intersectionality?
18:47 Epistemology
32:25 "Listen and believe" vs. "Listen and consider."
34:50 Scripture: "Papers that quote other papers."
36:40 Intersectionality; what it gets right.
38:30 Trojan Horse Terms (ie: Racism, Inclusion)
44:25 Empathy considered problematic.
45:20 Definitions: "Hegemonic, " "Problematizing," "Deconstructing."
48:40 Heresy ideals lead to violence.
50:25 The Devil: "Hate" (which includes criticism.)
51:30 Equity vs. Equality
54:15 Cultural Constructivism (Defeated by Dr. Pinker in "The Blank Slate")
55:10 Rampant Biology Denialism
58:00 Partial Mythic Structures
1:00:30 "more dangerous than phrenology," "It's being institutionalized."
1:01:15 "Privilege preserving epistemic push back"
1:02:20 "Uncle Tom" as unfalsifiable smear.
1:16:30 Intersectionality is "calvinist theology that took God out."
Hey, Ben- appreciate you making this. Thanks!
Thank you for this. Is so useful when someone provides these topic markers. There is an important point at about 1:03.49 where Helen answers a question pertaining to how to push back against zealoted people. She suggests the utility of striving to "meet people where they are" in order to attempt to at least understand what is driving their motivations and the thought structures that are informing them, this intellectual concession being worthwhile and essential in order to avoid extinguishing the tiny ember of possibility for fruitful engagement. I think it is a really important point.
Thanks for your work.
Thanks for this!
Nice one!
I came here from traffic school to learn about intersections. This video is not helping.
That is because it is basically a tirade of opinions emerging from a discussion among consenting voices. A decent discussion would involve some debate. It is hardly rigorous on an academic level, even though they are touting themselves that way as a panel. How droll and simplistic their diatribe is. So, it is basically a roundabout and if you follow it you will be turning in circles until you run out of petrol
@@redram5150 K ris - Automatic or manual? Or is that "stick?"
Nice and Nice! @@justinecooper9575 and @K ris
He did draw an intersection in the beginning. That was something.
Both intersections and intersectionality are similarly accident-prone.
I love this lady in the middle,
She seems to be very sensitive about the topic,
but manages her emotions so well.
props to her!
Helen is a force of nature, a real badass intellectual with knowledge as the shield and insight as her sword.
She is smart
And don’t they hate her for it?
I was a far leftist because I am against big business, corporate collusion, corruption, racism, and I will always be a fierce advocate for free expression.
My position on those issues has not changed, yet I am now at odds with most of the left.
What the hell happened?
Kyle Clements I'm far right and I'm against CORPORATISM (not the free market) corruption, racism and the defense of free expression. And I have no clue what has happened....
@Kyle Clements I've never met a "far leftist" who was, in fact, "a fierce advocate for free speech".
Just as discussed in this vid, my experience is those are people most likely to screech down any discussion that does not "toe the line".
Context: I'm not american. Just to quote a work colleague, who is very left leaning, political active and party member of the social democrats (germany), when we discussed feminism, gender and stuff: "That stuff is not left."
What the hell happened? The labels remained the same, but the ideological underpinnings changed.
According to Alexander Bard, a Swedish philosopher and author, the left in Sweden abandoned Marx for Rousseau during the seventies because the working class was pleased and didn´t strive for revolution anymore. This is when the brandishing of the oppressor and the victim began, with the goal of tearing down power structures in society. The problem becomes when you realize that fantasy, because all of a sudden you are tearing down society itself! There ain´t no free speech among corporations anymore, no matter the size. Western society is continuously being trained that only certain opinions are okay, Bard himself was kicked from a TV show because of Freemantle. The wokeists have abandoned reason and they are somehow expanding all around us. They are the true threat against democracy, because everyone who doesn´t agree becomes branded with "racist", "bigot", "homophobic", "islamophobic" and whatever they can think of. People in Sweden are starting to notice, you can´t express any criticism anymore and expect to keep your job. This phenomenon is spreading through all layers of society and continue to poison it, our politicians are a joke. And from what I can tell it´s even worse in the US. We might even be looking at the end of Western culture as we know it, when they are talking about tearing down statues and rewriting history then you know we are going down a dangerous path.
I’m watching this 3 years later and after Peter left Portland and he has aged more than 3 years due to the foul abuse he has endured but these three have guts and character
bs the so called dr. of math claimed buddhism not to have a deity yet ignore Budha was a man they deified, hindus have a pantheon of 12 gods and one above the rest and the same for the demons 12 demons and one shiva to rule them, did you even listen to what was said clearly not.
This video is like getting to listen to a really good band's first album before they really became rock stars.
Eh, we’ll see.
And....? Can you expand beyond your headline
I get it. It's like when you discover a great band but it's your little secret with your friends. I went through this with Talking Heads. These guys give you that feeling.
....only to learn later that the band is crap but you pretended like it was awesome because that's what your friends were doing.
...3 liberal pontificators? They’re a dime a dozen in every college campus. Not rockstars. Intellectual lemmings (Useful Idiots).
I was afraid that I was the only one who noticed all these parallels... It's so surreal to see other people discussing these observations and ideas... I'm almost convinced that I'm asleep and dreaming that I am watching this video... I really wish I could meet these three speakers and discuss this whole topic with them...
i wish i could like this video more than once
How are you doing now buddy
@@vitorodino8760 I've been better, been worse... Over the past year it's been nice to learn about the grievance studies affair and the people involved in fighting back against this cultish phenomenon. And it's been very frightening and depressing to see how many people have suddenly bought into this morally bankrupt ideology since these latest protests began.
I now treat them the way they have treated Christianity... that is how you combat sjws. You call them what they hate and tell them you don't consent to having their social doctrine shoved down your throat. Arguing logic does not work. I'm a centrist who believes in equality and personal and fiscal responsibility... I don't accept the labeling done by the sjws.
What happened? We were apologists for far too long.
I live in Seattle and intersectionality feels like the most popular religion here. If you go on dating apps you can see how common and powerful it with many female dating profiles mentioning that anyone who disagrees with their common intersectionality elements should swipe left.
The way Pete ties it all together from Helen and James, is exceptionally skilful. All 3 are great to listen to. This helps me to realise that I wasn't insane to challenge it.
These 3 are EXACTLY what is needed. Academics on the left criticizing and dismantling the radical leftist ideology. I really hope to see a lot more of these guys.
I worry they will go missing very soon. I've seen the signs-
@ - Yes, same with me. Now my path is centrist and against corruption. Am going to stay leftist in ideology for now, but just pursue issues with pragmatism and using science to solve problems. No contact with intersectionalist PC narcissists for me, thankfully I left before they became dominant. It seemed like white guilt over their own status projected across the whole race.
@ - Thanks for the advice. Am a firm believer in science and recently since leaving the left have re-examined "Social Darwinism" and how evolution relates to human society. The idea of humans as controlled by biology seems centrist, the left/right tug of war uses Darwin to boost their claims. Humans are either selfish of communitarian, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. It feels good mentally to be free of the intersectionality that was polluting my brain since having heard about it. Some of the beliefs were absorbed by me, now my mind is being cleared out of all that clutter.
@@believerornot Don't count on that, they are publishing in 2020, have already announced it.
Agree. I fear, however, that the damage to academia is too massive to ever recover. I don’t think I will ever be able to trust the universities as a source of truth. The nonsense and the legitimate are too intermingled to ever sort it out.
TIM POOL appearance at 1:09:45 ! Oh snap!
I wonder if he ever takes the hat off
Damn, thats funny.
It never comes off... Not even in the shower.
Anyone know, how long has he been wearing beanies? Like back when he was a teenage skater, was he already wearing them then?
I can't imagine him without his iconic beanie!
Edit: 1:10:00 Lol I just noticed -- the guy in front of Tim is wearing a beanie too. May be a nascent trend. . . 😄
I come from the year 2020. Yes, it became a religion.
RUclips sent me here today too.
Yes they sound like ahem... Phophets.. today, ok bad word lols
Yeah I've been watching a lot of Bret and Heather Weistien/Heying as well lately. Prophetic doesnt even begin to state the importance of all of what these folks were trying to tell us 3 years ago.
@buymebluepills Lol "Heresy Detected!" Meme
Yes! I've just read Professing Feminism by Patai and Koertge from the 90's. They were warning about exactly this. The mistake was made when women's studies was established as a seperate field instead of incorporating women's studies into established fields. This created the viewpoint epistemology, who no one criticized, because it was published in women's studies journals, that no one read but women's studies profs. I'm not saying that all women's studies is bad science, but a lot of it is.
Read 'The Rational Male' it'll blow your mind. Changed my life.
@Marco Alessandro
Nah, most of them will just get more entrenched in their views and become bitter neurotic cat ladies.
Tom P yeah, the red pill is the best no-nonsense description of gender relationships. Just throw in some empirical verification and you would end up with a pretty good model of intersexual human behavior.
I keep coming back to being shocked that this sort of thing is knowingly taught in universities .. ideas that cannot be challenged? That seems like thee act opposite of what should happen on campus
There is a direct parallel between the religion of Intersectionality and the "Savior" concept of Christianity.
In Christianity, the problem is sin. To be absolved of sin, you need Christ to take it away from you and pay the price of sin for you.
In Intersectionality, the problem is privilege. To be absolved of the sin of privilege, Guilt takes the place of Christ, which is fascinating since in Christianity Christ is the freedom from guilt. Intersectionality is such a vile construct that it actually posits the reverse: salvation is to be guilty.
In Christianity, Christ absolves you of guilt. In intersectionality, Guilt MIGHT absolve you from privilege, but unlikely. Best see if you can heap more of that guilt on yourself and go from there.
It is more akin to Christianity's cults of self-flaggellation
Don't forget that the idea of Messiah is part of Judaism and Islam as well, not that the three religions are all valid or worthy to follow.
Yes!!!
jpstone Though, in Christianity, the “Spirit” often leads, convicts, etc. while with intersectionality, i dont see this nuance. What do you think?
You might like the Thiaoouba Prophecy
Christ literally just came here to preach love of yourself and all others.. and to PROVE that there is an afterlife (reincarnation).
Christianity fucking disgusts me...
Helen Pluckrose way of explaining things has changed everything Ive ever believed! Thanks for the work you do! But your all GREAT!
Helen Pluckrose really managed to in a concret and condensed way explain how the ideology works and how it came into being and its clashes with other left ideologies.
Sweet feathery baby jesus, this does explain so much. Thank you.
Don't trivialize our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He is not a dinosaur. He is Son of Man.
A great talk!
@@sennewam I prefer zombie Jesus, myself, more than dinosaur jesus. But to each their own.
Sweet bearded baby Jaysus.
As a Christian, this image of bird-like baby Jesus in a manger made me lol.
When you hear well thought out reasonable rational logical evidence based people like these brave and interesting academics.. it just feels like my brain is being cleaned or soothed in a way . Finally some reason in all this insanity.
That kinda sounds like the uplifting of being "morally clean" that they were talking about in regards to wokeness. So careful you don't create a new religion yourself 😂 Actually I do think 'Red Pill' manosphere philosophy is similar to intersectionality in that it's taken on the form of a religion. For them things like 'gynocentrism' are like original sin or privilege. I bet if we examined it closely we'd see a lot of parallels.
Smart comment from you
10/10 manspreading by Lindsay. I thought he might spread into a full split at some point in the Q&A.
😂😂
his sack is pristine. these are the seeds that the white race needs to survive the cultural marxists
@@djcointelpro8470 😂
Dat moose knuckle tho
Don't be so sexist. The woman has a lot of soft cushion on her body to conform to the chair and not tip over. For the big man the chair is too small and he is more densely muscled so he needs to plant his feet firmly like a tripod.
How did you not have crazies protesting the shit out of this meeting lol
Probably couldn't understand it because of intersectionality - Its called selective universal oppressive educational experience........very damaging and traumatic. People actually report hearing loss as symptom!!
Because crazies protesting this is a made up strawman by the right to pretend that the LEEEFFTTT is crazy
They thought it had something to do with math, and that subject just scare them as it involves logic? ;-)
50:35 "This talk we're giving now is certainly hate." The fact that this would be an entirely accepted & agreed upon statement in intersectionality circles says quite a bit.
I'm not a Republican, I never will be. I'm not a Democrat, I never will be. My solution for a more neutral educational system would be to encourage more Conservatives into the field of teaching. This seems obvious.
Agreed. I'm a teacher and although I'm a moderate, I am the most conservative teacher at my school.
We need another option besides republican and Democrat. But I get your point.
@@Sharetheroad3333 We have another option. Its called #Unity2020.
Maybe you'd like #Unity2020.
This discussion holds equal high weight and importance today. We are in troubling and worrying times indeed. Science, rationality and liberty (the traditional version); needs to prevail. God help us
"We've lost a considerable amount of individuality, because people in certain categories are are expected to think act in certain ways. If they don't, they're not considered representative of those categories. And we've lost shared humanity."
Yes. Intersectionality acts to divide us into hierarchies of oppression, where the assumption going in is that people cannot come to a shared understanding of life in any meaningful way. I'm below you on the oppression ladder, so my opinion is worthless (unless I agree with everything the guy above me on the ladder says).
Exactly. The cult of Intersectional Feminism reminds me of a virus -- it exists only to infect healthy systems and make more of itself, until the previously-healthy system has been completely destroyed; then it moves on to the next one, and the next one, and the cycle continues.
Eastern Europe seems to have some immunity because they've already survived the Marxist tyranny of the Soviet Union; but I wish humanity could discover a psychological vaccine.
I worry about our future as humans.
Great video editing/quality- felt like i was in the room
Let's unpack "unpacking".
@Learning how to see he's just being 'problematic'.
Define definition
This video is unboxing unpacking the unpacking.
This must make a real Left-winger nervous, I'll bet.
Unpacking something marginalizes people of lower mental ability so its serves to power the inequitable status quo therefore its morally wrong and you're a bigot
This is fun. Back in the early 1990s I was part of a promotion review to evaluate whether my organization was unfair in some way. We simply talked to people up for promotion who had been in contention. My first interview was with a black guy who flat said, in these words "I was promoted faster and further ahen anyone in the divisions history, but if it were not for this god damned discrimination I would have this last promotion!"
The man was two rungs up from me, and younger as well! Who was I but make to Chronicle, but rather breathtaking. The next person I interviewed was a Latino woman who ranted and raved about her sexist boss and she went on and on, in graphic detail. Then it became appareng she was talking about my previous interviewee.
At that point I knew it was hopless and the best thing I could do was write up an exactly accurate work paper then scheme for eaty retirement. Which I did with great success.
When theory hits the world.
Thank you for hosting this debate and thank you for participating in it most of all. I don't hold much of the same beliefs but. Am willing to listen. Thank you for debating and conversating.
Thank goodness we have smart good people like Peter Boghossian, JBP, Jonathan Haidt, Dave Rubin, Gad Saad, Christina Hoff Sommers, Camille Paglia, Dinesh D'Souza, Eric and Brent Weinstein, Ben Shapiro, Steven Pinker, Brendan O'Neill etc, etc on the side of sanity.
JC 9190 and last but not least: Doctor Wier!
(Maybe you have not heard of him, that's because he is very humble.)
You're included in the first etc. lol
Don't forget Crowder. He's fantastic, his Change My Mind segment is fantastic.
Diseasa is a idiot freak
I think this is a vitally important discussion and agree with the need to push back on the insanity. But there are some terrible people on your list. 😂
This is fascinating. The parallels of woke to religion gives us a basement window into the foundations of human nature.
Very nicely put.
this is litterally the best thing that could happen to me right now. you're brilliant.
It seems that intersectionality has neutralized the Golden Rule.
Dude, the word salad bar has had all the labels changed, cucumbers are the new tomatoes, oil is the new vinegar, and crutons now look at lot like the old olives, just sidel-up and spoon yourself out a bowl of identity and don't worry about communicating because understanding and meaning are now completely subjective, nominclature is no-men-rape-sure or new-men-rapture depending on your neopostmodernist pronunciation or postneomodernist pronostication, depending of course on your logomastication at the salad bar of i-dent-titty. I hope in light of this new dada, scientific understanding has been advanced
1:03:00 ¿How can we fight against intersectionality if it can be considered as a religion? I work in a University in Spain, and I think the key is to make people understand that personal beliefs shouldn't be mandatory in any educational system.
This video is criminally under-viewed and overlooked.
I could not agree more. My god. They really called it.
This video deserves many more views. It's the best I've seen and I've seen a lot. The same guys on Rogan recently were hilarious and again gave many remarkable insights.
The number of views on this video is TOO DAMN LOW
55:40 re: Biology denialism. This is so weird to see 4 years later. Rampant, unrelenting biology denialism is just everywhere. It was only maybe 12-18 months ago, the narrative was "nobody's saying sex isn't real" but now they say it out loud and people have been fired for it. I've watched this a few times over the last 2 or 3 years as I often come back to some of the ways things are described, but this the first time this bit has jumped out at me, and it's creepy as hell, because of how infected society became with it.
Grievance studies 'academic' journals brought me here. Well played.
@Gennady Arshad Notowidigdo
The peer review process has become a self validating echo chamber feedback loop.
As these guys demonstrated, once you have a handle on the relevant theory (or theories) it is relatively easy to pump out the journal articles. Is one reason why intersectionalists, etc are so dominant in the academy is that it is correspondingly easier for them to publish the required number of journal articles for tenure?
Wow Lindsay makes some really great points.
This is definitely worth watching twice.
At one point James says “it’s not in all of the university”. Oh man, how things changed in 5 years. How did I miss this video.. glad to hear every minute.
Can people stop saying “unpack” ffs? “There’s so much to unpack here” “let me unpack that for you” etc. it’s like people saying “,right?” after every sentence. “Oh god Sam Harris says unpack so I need to say it too”
Can you unpack that for us?
@@chriskii12344 then repack it all over again?
@@AndyJarman please wait with the repacking I need more unpacking.
That all started with Peggy McIntosh, who was born way back in the 1930s, a whole generation before the Civil Rights Movement.
Peggy wrote an elitist paper about a supposed "Invisible Knapsack" of privileges with which all white people were allegedly born.
*SHE* was born with lots of the privileges she lists (like, being able to afford to buy a home in a neighborhood where she wants to live; and getting high-quality hotel shampoo). But I have plenty of white friends who can't afford to buy a home where they want to live; and it's actually easier for me (a brown woman) to find a bandaid that matches my skin tone, than it is for my blonde white friends (matching band-aids are supposedly another "white privilege").
Peggy grew up wealthy, and her Invisible Knapsack is class privilege, not white privilege. And -- wealth is the one privilege that she doesn't include in her outdated, puerile little manifesto.
But she's one of the Saints of Intersectionality, like Kimberle Crenshaw; so people have used "unpack" ever since.
Ha ha deep dive
Good conversation. Helped me sort my own understanding
James' manspreading has triggered some SJWs to check Dislike xD
peak manspread pose lol
a woman would not be able to get away with that. . .
The rare male camel toe.
We must repeat history in order to not repeat it anymore - SOCJUS
So, If I'm at a 4 way stop and we arrive at the same time, who goes first?? Ughhh....This DMV stuff is complicated!! Who knew getting your drivers license had so much to do with morality and religion?! Total blind spot, glad I checked this one before my test!!! Thx for the heads up......Cheers!!! 👍🚗🚗🚗
Best of luck on the test Kenny. I'm sorry they didn't answer your question.
However, as far as I know... as long as you don't identify by you biological sex you'll have the right of way at any intersection.
If there's a dispute... don't be afraid to standup and insist on your preferred pronouns. And really mix it up Kenny, because this is a chance to shine.
Hope this helps
Daniel Maher wow, well I will certainly write that down Daniel, that should ensure success when I re-take it. Driving is tough but you learn a lot about the complications of your identity and it's relationship to your control of the power steering. I never knew !!! 😅🤔
I feel like intersectionality projects a false sense of privilege on some, while providing real privilege to others.
So when they talk about speech constructing reality; in my mind they are talking about magic -- intention manifesting itself in the physical plane. If that is the case then magical thinking is now being taught in liberal arts universities?!?
I am a billionaire! Damn that didn't work. Maybe if I say it over and over again.
@@adeadgirl13 The trick is you have to redefine" billionaire".
Closer to the truth than you think. These new divisive and lunatic idealogies were literally conjured into reality by practicing occultists with wicked intent.
Read federici’s “Caliban and the Witch” So smart.
Excuse me, but you would lose it at a Quantum Physics lecture
@@michellelekas211 I'm going to refer you to good ol' Richard Feynman, "If you think you understand quantum mechanics you don't understand quantum mechanics."
If you don't have an advanced physics degree you, much like myself, have no place talking about quantum anything.
God-like discussion. Thank you.
And just like people seem to be afraid of criticising religions publicly they are also afraid of criticising this intersectionality stuff. I mean, we see it all the time. People don't want to challenge other peoples ideas. "What's the harm? Everyone can just believe whatever they want!". Of course there's always harm when you're chosing to ignore reality. People just don't want to have uncomfortable conversations. They don't want to be seen as troublemakers. They don't want to be seen as intolerant.
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At 1:52:35 the man asks "what causes all the private companies to open their doors to invite intersectionality in"? His answer: "Paralizing fear of being labeled racist".
What these three speakers don't realize is that there ARE Gods and living Spirits that are above and outside of humanity and fed by humanity. Intersectionality talk awoke the intersectionality spirit and it grew stronger and stronger until it had a life of its own, and now we must all bow to it. And when we bow to it, we can suckle from its supernatural teat. It feeds us a psychic sustenance (inclusionary endorphins) and at the same time it siphons out more energy from us as well, but it is more than just a commensal relationship, it is a mutualistic relationship where both parties (the NPC's and the Flying Spaghetti Monster) create and gain power from nothing, like a perpetual motion machine.
It got old fast.
what the frick
Citation needed
FANTASTIC! Thank you so much for the uload!
Excellent discussion, very illuminating. Would have been interested in a discussion of how intersectionality is moving the Overton window.
I Stumbled in here, and this is an absolutly facinating conversation about something i had little understanding of.
James Lindsay has some excellent explanations in this video.
Thanks for sharing this. I'm not a Republican or a straight party voter. I tend more towards liberal. But the intersectionality idea is so, pardon the term, problematic for me. Are we really supposed to assume that people of a different race, sexuality, or gender see the world and behave in the world in the same way? It's racialism or tribalism being revived. There's a laziness to the argument for the doctrine intersectionality.
Who's the student in the pink DUF coat? Thought they'd be a protestor (literally judging solely on looks) but, instead, was politely listening and taking notes the entire time. LOVE IT.
Yes, it's important for us to remember that not everyone who looks like a part of the Intersectional Cult, actually is. My (black) hair sometimes looks blueish/purplish in really bright sunlight, and sometimes I feel like I need to be wearing a shirt that says "No I'm NOT an Intersectional Feminist." 😁
Heroic. These guys are fighting at the front line of knowledge and truth and the future of thought itself. They'll lose obv, but damn it theyll be able to say they tried.
What's often missed from these discussions is why it is attractive to young people, who are propping it up.
Just like a religion, it is providing an outlook on the world that explains (however suspect it is) why they are not achieving what they think they should be achieving.
I think what this stems from is a lack of hope among young people that working is worth it to lead a happy and fulfilling life. There seems to be a perceived lack of opportunity for young people and so, from what I think stems from goodwill, they want to dismantle the system that they think is failing them.
As investment is increasingly removed from young people and their futures, this ideology is making more and more sense because the system is increasingly not working for them.
I think the onus is on the government to invest in young people, give them hope, instill sensible values and theyll see that actually it doesn't need to be dismantled, it's good. And then I think all this ideology will go away. Of course young people need to work hard and take responsibility,, but I also think so many think what's the point there's no hope anyway.
41:50ish
I disagree that the original civil rights movements were equality movements.
Women got the vote without the draft.
Blacks got citizenship in a modern nation without ever producing one.
Nobody said you couldn't get married because you're gay. You had the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else. You just couldn't marry someone of the same sex, which nobody else could do either. That's like saying it's discrimination that the heroin you buy in the street isn't called a prescription. That's not heroin addicts being discriminated against and denied prescriptions. It's just using the definition of words correctly. Heroin wasn't prescribed by your doctor so it isn't a prescription. Gay relationships aren't ageements to have and raise each-other's kids, so they're not marriages.
Calling heroin medicice and your heroin purchase a prescription isn't equality for heroin addicts. It's a special accomodation for heroin addicts.
“When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.”
― Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values
Interesting content. These are the kind of conversations that we should be having. Thoughtfully put together. The audio quality is a bit distracting.
You can, and maybe should, combat intersectionality the same way many Christians claim to combat sin: love the sinner, hate the sin. In other words, first establish your investment in the worth of the individual. Tie in your concerns about their ideas with your concern for their well-being as a fellow human being. Then, from that anchor begin to slowly, carefully, and thoroughly wipe the sludge that's impairing their view of reality without attacking their dignity or individual sovereignty.
54:30 Steven Pinker's "The Blank Slate"
38:01 Master & Slave dialectic by Hegel
1:43:57 Martha Neusbaums criticism of Judith Butler
Thanks for translating this new dada, I was getting lost out there
Thank you! This was very enlightning!
That was a weird surprise to see Tim Pool suddenly appear.
The problem with the discussion around the 1:00 mark, is that it works both ways.... the three claim that they will be accused unfairly of an -ism ( or phobia) ...but they cannot prove that they are not actually being the -ist ( or phobe.)
Is the title a rhetorical question? Of course, Intersectionality is a religion. It's a secular moral system for behavior that is based on the belief that their group can have an authority and are conferred preferential status based on a subjective hierarchy of moral consequentialism without any accompanying responsibility or agency. If that isn't a model for organized religion I don't know what is and their Church is simply the universities themselves. Their canonical saints are Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, and apparently, Michael Eric Dyson is their modern Jimmy Swaggart.
Will Carter Be okay if they just stayed on campus and slowly went insane. As you can see, they're undermining Western Civilization itself. We need to stop joking about it and stop ridiculing it and push back.
Absolutely informative. I may have to watch this a few times
Awesome profile pic!
For the first question, about how to combat intersectionality, you should also read peter's book "a manual for creating atheists"
Yes. Next question?
Nice to see the insecurity of Atheists now being persecuted for their 'beliefs', and joining Conservative Christianity for a friend, as Christianity is tolerant and will listen.
Simon Skinner and you totally miss the point...
You missed the lecture
@@michellelekas211 maybe you missed the irony. It is that only 'Christians' are open minded as their beliefs came from an open mind. It is other Atheists who reject the reasoning of 'Christians' that close down debate. The three seem to want the openness and freedom to speak of 'Christianity'.
Which shows there are different Atheist religions.
@@simonskinner1450 They've done talks for atheist, agnostic, freethinkers, Jewish, Christian, and classical liberal groups etc: And news flash, there's plenty of Christians who are into this woke critical theory bs that would not be accepting of their philosophy; so your point about Christianity being open minded as a whole is moot.
Also, atheism isn't a "religion" as you so inanely tried to argue. It's simply the position of disbelief in a god or gods. Nothing more, nothing less. Religion is: "a social-cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, morals, beliefs, worldviews, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that relates humanity to supernatural, transcendental, and spiritual elements." None of which applies to atheism.
Like Michele Lekas pointed out, it's like you didn't even listen to the lecture.
Your welcome. This ones actually pretty impressive.
For reference, this is (I think!) the mentioned article from The Atlantic: www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/bari-weiss-immigrants/553550/
Ha brilliant. Mencius Moldbug already came up with the term "The Cathedral" a while ago. I am glad to see that intelligent people are coming to the same conclusions when it comes to progressive orthodoxy.
Now. .. we just need an absolute monarch to abolish the fed, fire all civil servants, humanities professors and MSM journalists in a bloodless coup....
I think I'm a conservative and I know I'm a Christian and I disagree with some statements they made about Christianity. But I think this video is very valuable and they are very knowledgeable about how fundamentalists think. With fundamentalism I mean the current understanding, not the original, literal understanding.
1:06:00 I love Lindsay definition of secular. It shows that he's a person of great knowledge in his field. Google says secularism is the state of being separate from religion. Lindsay says secularism is the state of being separate from any ideology. Googles definition does not include communistic thought or the assumption, that the universe needs to be eternal because it can not have a beginning and therefor a creator.
1:44:45 That's how you know someone is looking for the truth.
Thank you for the talk and for uploading.
What about cats? My cat doesn't get me, cannot see what I see ...
Przemyslaw Grzybek … throw out the cat, get a dog, problem solved!
μολὼν λαβέ As a cat-person...
I find your remark offensive and now I need a safe space!
Wow! This made it so understandable. Great video!
“You’re welcome for modernity.” That is what I tell people when they say I have white privilege and need to take responsibility for some of the ills that people who have my skin color apparently committed. If I have to take responsibility for all the bad, I get to take credit for all the good. White societies built the modern world.
Aye, but that's the complaint, too. Competence is bad because it makes people in-equal, so competence is oppression.
The Asians didn't own slaves. They don't run the system. They don't have any racial grievance in history to atone for or unearned position of privilege from their peers running the system.
Yet they're the most discriminated against by affirmative action, because they over-represent the most in college admissions and hiring to well paying STEM fields.
They're the most discriminated against, because they get the best grades and test scores.
It's a racialized Harrison Bergeron.
As a Bible teacher, this was interesting, thanks.
I can't believe Tim Pool doesn't take off his cap even when he's outside not making his videos.
I think it's his trademark now. I wouldn't recognize him without a cap. 😄
Excellent discussion. Thank you for this upload.
The other hope is that the religion of intersectionality is simply incongruous with biological existence. Thus, it is simply inevitable that it dies in its current form and then transitions again into another system of inappropriate conflict with the systems that are in place due to life’s intrinsic unfairness in any system that will ever be implemented.
Or in simple terms, the unwise that are pissed because life can suck and they, or people they care about, have gotten the short end at some point.
“Jealousy, turning saints into the sea, swimming through sick lullabies.”
The Killers
Helen Pluckrose and Kathleen Stock are always the clearest, most well reasoned, and easiest to understand speakers on a panel. Btw I love the name Pluckrose. Sounds like name of a character in a ponty python skit.
That's funny just today I was telling my psychologist what intersectionality is & how intersectionals I've met have been like & she said "geez it sounds like a religion" lol.
That's before I ever saw this video
My new frame is accommodating vs. assimilation? Whether individual or organizational. So many social systems are assimilating. Theres always a social negotiation however its becoming too much assimilation in my experience.
With individual it can be easy to tell : if the conversation is all about me and how i have to change and the other person(s) position merely as witnesses - thats assimilation especially of the other isnt willing to listen in good faith.
3:30 my god look at that manspreader.
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I can’t believe I found this video. I’ve been trying to put this whole concept together for like 2 years now and thinking why hasn’t anyone pointed out how evangelicals exist on the left and right?!!
Intersectionality is a theory that has more to do with living out your psychpathology on a grand scale than anything else...and I’m not trying to be flippant. It’s the Orwellian nightmare.
Man these guy's papers are always STRAIGHT BANGERS.
35:06 Tim Pool shows up.
Lol... I love how he is just messing with his nails and the camera switches to him
Great sharing!.It broaded my perspective about the current state of political and academic affairs right now and also the most interesting thing for me has been to discover what drives people to this ideology. Specially enjoyed James Lindsay contribution Thanks for sharing
Helen Pluckrose, Ma'am, you look amazing! Too bad I ain't even close to your intellectual level.
and I asked my daughter if Dr. Boghossian was discussed in her education classes after his grievance studies was released with Dr Lindsay and Ms. Pluckrose.....she said that topic was not allowed to be discussed and was warned not ask about this topic
Should have compared it to Fascism.
PS Equity means making up for past injustices, 'our injustices are righting the wrongs of the past'. ie revenge
Or...repayment?
Dan The Jester It’s not workable, the only injustices we should worry about are the ones in the present.
@@Jester123ish If that we’re the case, there wouldn’t be any courts deciding on events that happened in the past. There’s no statute of limitations on things like murder, so it’s totally workable. It just depends on what you’re dealing with.
@@greenlight8819 Oh, if you're going to that extreme EVERYTHING is in the past.
The previous injustices we shouldn't be scapegoating people for happened in historical times.
@@Jester123ish Don’t be absurd. You’re just running from accountability.
Near the end, His testament about how he has the hope to fight is inspiring.
A WILD TIM POOL APPEARS