I love the fact that you can actually combine the Power of the Primes Battletrap with the Siege Skytread figures. Since finding a spare Roadtrap nowadays is hard I bought two skytread just for the legs.
The name Skytread suits him better than his original name, Flywheels sounds more like an Autobot name to me and sounds like a perfect fit for another bot based on the Tracks mold.
I love that this was finally covered.I also did a bit of studying on this particular subject in the G1 continuities via watching episodes and breaking down fine contextual details. Personality components were also successfully split with Rampage and Transmetal Dinobot 2 in Beast Wars despite not being able to merge..Their sparks were sentient independents of each other. The essence of a Spark must be able to become/remain sentient if/when split although a mortal link remains. Death resulted in separation and not death.That is why I don't necessarily conclude Transmetal Dinobot 2 / Rampage was a true Duocon despute sharibg a spark. The revation Dinobot's essence remained meant separate essences entirely. Fun this expands into other continuities and makes a lot of sense of details.Great examples you use and great content Thanks again, Rodimus Primal!
This was an awesome retrospective, I never knew about these two, so this is all news to be, and it was greatly entertaining. Great video Rodimus, awesome work!
I had Flywheels as a kid. I prefer him because his separate alt modes seemed to be more consistent with each other than Battletrap's. I remember thinking that Battletrap's truck was WAY too big in comparison to his helicopter.
Flywheels' split personalities arguing whether or not they call themselves by their original name or Skytread sounds like an awesome idea. But I think you neglected to mention that Battletrap will soon be part of *Transformers: Rise Of The Beasts*
Yeah that was something I overlooked since Rise of the Beasts got pushed back to next year. At least now if he DOES end up being a Duocon in the film (which doesn't look like he will though), fans will have a decent summary of the histoty of the Duocons.
I couldn't afford many TFs growing up, but as the Duocons were low price point bots, they were easy to procure. Thus, despite their lack of notoriety, they became two of my favourites, with Battletrap having a slight edge over Flywheels because of his cool colours and his rotor blade. I always wondered: as each faction had, for the most part, equal opposites, why no DUOBOTS? (Don't tell me Mirage couldn't have sneaked into Shockwave's lab and stolen his plans!)
Flywheels was one of my first Transformers as a kid, and became one of my favourites. I remember quite vividly playing with him lots, so when the newer figures came out, I grabbed both (or all 3 depending how you look at it) when I could. I was especially impressed with how faithfully to the original the new SkyTread was, especially down to the colours and how they were able to modernize the look without making things seem out of place. An interesting thing with the new figure is how they coloured his cockpit windows. I believe it matches a knock off of the original G1 toy rather than the original (that was blank in that area). I'm sure this is just a coincidence or otherwise another explanation such as him being coloured to have blue windows in other official media, but it's also cool for me to think that designers remembered a bootleg from their past or found pictures of one, and took that route as a nod to how now adult collectors might have remembered the character, even if not from the official toy, especially if they wanted to colour that window and some shade of blue would make sense regardless.
And now battletrap is going to be in live action movie transformers rise of the beasts as a terrorcon and not be a duocon but on his forehead he still has a decepticon badge
It´s amazing how Transformers has so many and diverse characters, each one has it´s own unique powers and abilities, there are so many subgroups and that´s freaking amazing
My complaint is how many, toy wise, were nothing more than repaints. I understand the cost of creating the molds but still some characters need their own look.
YES was wanting a vid like this, these guys are my favorite! The POTP and siege figures of them got me into transformers after being out of it since Armada.
2:47, for an Autobot...Flame sure is evil. 4:28, last minute ambush. I know for selling toys but this was quite a plan by Scorp as they were out of nowhere and having them to steal the data disk was something the Autobots didn't see coming. 4:52, so badass. 6:10, Duocon Powermaster?! That's a mouthful. 8:50, awwww...ain't someone happy to see Quake that day? He's got a fan. :)
Flytrap lol, what a missed opportunity 🤣 Can't think of a better way to start my long weekend than with a retro transformers video! Thank you for the perfect timing rodimus!
Recently I found Flywheels G1 in the wild (w/ gun) @ the comic shop & was thrilled! Stickers & & everything looked nice. My son likes him as well! Another great video sir- thank you! I hope all is well with you & your family!
This was a great video about the duocons i got alot more information from this retrospective and i can't wait to see what they will do with battletrap in rise of the beast but still great video i leave a like and I hope you stay safe god bless
I loved my childhood Flywheels as it was like he was transforming as fast as transformers did in the cartoon! The new generations versions of both of them are great too
It's always cool when obscure characters catch the eyes of fans or writers and get a comback tour, maybe with a more fleshed-out premise or execution. I like your sugestion at the end for future incarnations to play a little more with the original character personalities.
Great video. There are some very interesting Transformers concepts after the show ended in the US. (Victory Leo) Don't think I've ever heard of the Duocons until now.
I like how the Titans Return one was 2 smaller robots that combined into 1 deluxe. They didn't market it very well on the packaging, though. I don't have many Legends/Scout/Core class Cons so it's nice to have them. Plus he's on display in my living room next to CW Bruticus.
Awesome Video. Thank you. I had Flywheels original release, always thought it was pretty cool. I understand they wanted to make the Siege version closer to the original by making the jet and tank just as components. But for the sake of consistency, I wish they would have had individual bot modes like PotP Battletrap. The pair look ok together, but it is still weird that one has individual bot modes, and the other dosen't.
They did have some few appearance at the Headmasters anime as Scorponok's goons. The 2 vehicle merging into one robot gimmick was later applied to Overlord in Masterforce.
The duocons have an interesting concept two vehicles combined into one robot. And with the new transformers movie coming out with Battletrap be one of the main villains and Flywheels appears war for cybertron seige, maybe they'll appear more into the future.
While I’m not a fan of battletrap’s POTP toy (though still happy to have him) I like to imagine that they were originally two seperate characters who were permanently fused together but both personalities still exist within them with flywheel/skytread’s components being Skyfly & Treadwheels so they could feasibly make both names I wish we had of seen some autobot counterparts to them though, particularly if one was a shuttle & steam engine so we could have easy repaints of Astrotrain and vice versa
Always had a soft spot for Flywheels since his role in 'City of Fear' in the UK comics, and especially this classic moment of iconoclastic British humour on Simon Furman's part upon seeing Flame's army of zombie Transformers rise up: Ultra Magnus and the Sparkabots (in unison): 'By the Celestial Spires...!' Flywheels: 'Oo 'Eck...!'
Hi Rodimus.my favorite transformers/Decepticons are the Duocons the g1 cartoon original classic,Retroboot,regeneration versions of the Duocons.also awesome restropective Rodimus 👌 them coming also my other favorite Decepticons are the War for Cybertron version of the Duocons who I,m looking forward to see more of the Duocons in future transformers cartoon,comics,and media,also thanks for sharing Rodimus 👌 up the 👍 work and until next time Till all are one.☺👍
I have the PoP Battletrap. I prefer the old concept where they can only form 1 robot together rather than the new concept of 2 independent complete robots. I find the codependency of the bots in the original design so much more interesting.
Fantastic Retrospective video RodimusPrimal!!!!!!!! :D I think the Duocons are very underused characters who deserve a chance to be prominent characters in future Transformers stories. :D I really, REALLY enjoy having the PotP/Siege figures of them in my collection. They will always been known as Battletrap and Flywheels to me, despite their new trademark names. lol :D Keep on being amazing.
"Fly" wasn't really an F-4 Phantom II jet. Autobot Fireflight and Bayverse Blitzwing were, though. Fly was just as original and unidentifiable of a jet as Wheels was as a treaded howitzer.
Interesting. Where I got that info certainly got it wrong then. Whenever I mention vehicles that I'm not familiar with I usually get commented about it. Like with Punch/Counterpunch transforming into a Pontiac Fiero.
It's potentially a cool idea if they expand the sub class and add more characters. Also, if they could control multiple vehicles they could combine and seperate from in battle they'd be pretty powerful. I'm actually glad to learn there's a Decepticon recolor of Thrilling 30's Springer because he's one of my favorite figures.
Okay, it's coming back to me. I had a couple different friends who had these, but they never seemed "complete." I'm pretty sure now that it's because they lost one or the other robots...
I have the original Duocons and though the bot modes were basically battle-chargers I like the vehicle components. The PotP Battle-Slash and Road Trap figures are actually well done. I don't have Skytread, but I do prefer that name to Flywheels. The aesthetic of that character is pleasing as well, combining those colors and bot design to create memorable figure.
Flywheels was one of my favorites as a kid and one of the first I got with WFC line. When I was a kid, I loved all the Transformers that were quick changers. Made for easier play lol.
I don't remember Tidal Wave where was he from? other that that another great video & can't wait for more retrospectives hope to see some more on the Beast Wars/Beast Machines characters soon
@@unclebrian8156 and just as a head up, tidal wave gets called shockwave (his Japanese name) sometime in the English dub since the show isn’t the greatest with keeping track with characters names
I always felt like the Duocons should be lieutenants/lackeys to Overlord, as they have a similar transformation aesthetic.
Thanks for posting!
I agree. I hope we get autobot counterparts of the duocons, and the horrorcons, there is sky lynx and the monster bots, but still..
What if overlord’s plane and tank parts had their own individual robot modes, and perhaps they could be hive minded?
@@itszeronizer597 hi dude how are you
@@PhelDespair alright. Have I met you before?
@@itszeronizer597 no but you do know everybody on youtube are strangers right
As a person who loved wfc siege a lot,i always loved skytread/flywheels,especially the red viser and the unique color scheme
Oh my god, we agreed on something again, what reality do we exist in?
@@ThatC0nGuy bruh what do you mean ?
Yeah same skytread/flywheels is my favorite dou con
I always loved this series,its like the chris mcfeely basics episodes but with a differnet style
Lol I thought it was the same guy
But without the lying for clout like Chris McFeely does.
@@mrsamaritan6881 what did he lie about?
@@mrsamaritan6881 idk, seems like YOU'RE the one lying.
@@beepbeeplettuce5890 he never lied. The guy you replied to is just salty for no reason
4:37 -😲Holy mackerel, RodimusPrimal!
Battletrap in G1: A cool Duocon.
How we know Battletrap: “SOMEONE GIVE ME A REAL FIGHT!”
Flywheels has always been my favourite Duocon, I hope we can see more of him in the future!
Awesome explanation of these cool guys. And watching Soundwave give the command “eject, eject, EJEEECT” never gets old, he is my all time fav 😎
Indeed! Soundwave superior! Thanks! Till all are one!
I love the fact that you can actually combine the Power of the Primes Battletrap with the Siege Skytread figures. Since finding a spare Roadtrap nowadays is hard I bought two skytread just for the legs.
Take a look at those 2 destructive powerhouses: The DUOCONS, RodimusPrimal!
I'd wouldn't wanna be in their evil robotic shoes, sir.☝😯
The name Skytread suits him better than his original name, Flywheels sounds more like an Autobot name to me and sounds like a perfect fit for another bot based on the Tracks mold.
Love the deep cut characters! thanks so much for doing this. These were sort of a precursor to future character duo combiners in energon!
I really liked Skytreads portrayal in the War for Cybertron series. But ifyou ever do a retrospective on Overlord, I'd love to see that.
Respect to my boy flywheels. Pure jobber but that makes him the best.
I love that this was finally covered.I also did a bit of studying on this particular subject in the G1 continuities via watching episodes and breaking down fine contextual details. Personality components were also successfully split with Rampage and Transmetal Dinobot 2 in Beast Wars despite not being able to merge..Their sparks were sentient independents of each other. The essence of a Spark must be able to become/remain sentient if/when split although a mortal link remains. Death resulted in separation and not death.That is why I don't necessarily conclude Transmetal Dinobot 2 / Rampage was a true Duocon despute sharibg a spark. The revation Dinobot's essence remained meant separate essences entirely. Fun this expands into other continuities and makes a lot of sense of details.Great examples you use and great content Thanks again, Rodimus Primal!
Battle tread and fly trap are the two most creative names in all of transformers. Well, at least for the semicombiners.
This was an awesome retrospective, I never knew about these two, so this is all news to be, and it was greatly entertaining. Great video Rodimus, awesome work!
0:51 -😄Robotic fan delighted in disguise, RodimusPrimal.😊
8:39 -Soundwave repeatedly "eject" 3 times w/ his tape cassettcon minions (Rumble, Laserbeak, & finally Ravage), RodimusPrimal.
Haiti, Haiti Ghetto! Party in the Ghetto!
Another great video, two of my favorite G1s.
I never knew about the Botcon Battletrap, that's a sharp looking figure.
I had Flywheels as a kid. I prefer him because his separate alt modes seemed to be more consistent with each other than Battletrap's. I remember thinking that Battletrap's truck was WAY too big in comparison to his helicopter.
Flywheels' split personalities arguing whether or not they call themselves by their original name or Skytread sounds like an awesome idea.
But I think you neglected to mention that Battletrap will soon be part of *Transformers: Rise Of The Beasts*
Yeah that was something I overlooked since Rise of the Beasts got pushed back to next year. At least now if he DOES end up being a Duocon in the film (which doesn't look like he will though), fans will have a decent summary of the histoty of the Duocons.
I remember being so psyched for Flywheel as a kid!
No doubt! More Duocons!
Great video! The Duocons are a cool concept that I’m surprised hasn’t been looked into more.
I couldn't afford many TFs growing up, but as the Duocons were low price point bots, they were easy to procure. Thus, despite their lack of notoriety, they became two of my favourites, with Battletrap having a slight edge over Flywheels because of his cool colours and his rotor blade.
I always wondered: as each faction had, for the most part, equal opposites, why no DUOBOTS? (Don't tell me Mirage couldn't have sneaked into Shockwave's lab and stolen his plans!)
Blaster had a cassette combiner in toy form.
Beast Box & Squalk Talk, combined they were Squalk Box!
Flywheels was one of my first Transformers as a kid, and became one of my favourites. I remember quite vividly playing with him lots, so when the newer figures came out, I grabbed both (or all 3 depending how you look at it) when I could. I was especially impressed with how faithfully to the original the new SkyTread was, especially down to the colours and how they were able to modernize the look without making things seem out of place.
An interesting thing with the new figure is how they coloured his cockpit windows. I believe it matches a knock off of the original G1 toy rather than the original (that was blank in that area). I'm sure this is just a coincidence or otherwise another explanation such as him being coloured to have blue windows in other official media, but it's also cool for me to think that designers remembered a bootleg from their past or found pictures of one, and took that route as a nod to how now adult collectors might have remembered the character, even if not from the official toy, especially if they wanted to colour that window and some shade of blue would make sense regardless.
And now battletrap is going to be in live action movie transformers rise of the beasts as a terrorcon and not be a duocon but on his forehead he still has a decepticon badge
The duocon Battletrap is going to appear as a Terrorcon in Transformers: Rise of the Beasts
Siege Skytread is probably the most unique Transformers in my collection. They are unique and cool. Great video.
I have always liked the Duocons.
It´s amazing how Transformers has so many and diverse characters, each one has it´s own unique powers and abilities, there are so many subgroups and that´s freaking amazing
My complaint is how many, toy wise, were nothing more than repaints. I understand the cost of creating the molds but still some characters need their own look.
@@jasonsumma1530 Yes they need, for example Elita One has only retool figures when she deserves to have her own original figure
YES was wanting a vid like this, these guys are my favorite!
The POTP and siege figures of them got me into transformers after being out of it since Armada.
2:47, for an Autobot...Flame sure is evil.
4:28, last minute ambush. I know for selling toys but this was quite a plan by Scorp as they were out of nowhere and having them to steal the data disk was something the Autobots didn't see coming.
4:52, so badass.
6:10, Duocon Powermaster?! That's a mouthful.
8:50, awwww...ain't someone happy to see Quake that day? He's got a fan. :)
Flytrap lol, what a missed opportunity 🤣 Can't think of a better way to start my long weekend than with a retro transformers video! Thank you for the perfect timing rodimus!
Thanks! Have an awesome weekend too!
Recently I found Flywheels G1 in the wild (w/ gun) @ the comic shop & was thrilled! Stickers & & everything looked nice. My son likes him as well! Another great video sir- thank you! I hope all is well with you & your family!
Thanks! Nice find too!
This was a great video about the duocons i got alot more information from this retrospective and i can't wait to see what they will do with battletrap in rise of the beast but still great video i leave a like and I hope you stay safe god bless
I loved my childhood Flywheels as it was like he was transforming as fast as transformers did in the cartoon! The new generations versions of both of them are great too
Flywheels/skytread is my favorite dou con, also idk why but i prefer the name skytread to the name flywheels
I always enjoy these can't wait till you make more. I was having a bad day and watching this video really cheered me up thanks 👍
It's always cool when obscure characters catch the eyes of fans or writers and get a comback tour, maybe with a more fleshed-out premise or execution.
I like your sugestion at the end for future incarnations to play a little more with the original character personalities.
Always loved Flywheels since I was a kid.
Great video. There are some very interesting Transformers concepts after the show ended in the US. (Victory Leo) Don't think I've ever heard of the Duocons until now.
I like how the Titans Return one was 2 smaller robots that combined into 1 deluxe. They didn't market it very well on the packaging, though.
I don't have many Legends/Scout/Core class Cons so it's nice to have them. Plus he's on display in my living room next to CW Bruticus.
Awesome Video. Thank you. I had Flywheels original release, always thought it was pretty cool. I understand they wanted to make the Siege version closer to the original by making the jet and tank just as components. But for the sake of consistency, I wish they would have had individual bot modes like PotP Battletrap. The pair look ok together, but it is still weird that one has individual bot modes, and the other dosen't.
Honestly I hope they redo Battletrap. The Siege figure is awesome but the POTP could have been executed better.
I thought you would talk about battletrap's role in upcoming rise of the beasts movie. Not sure if he is a duocon in the movie like his g1 character.
Missed opportunity for sure, but I too don't know if he will be a Duocon in the film.
They did have some few appearance at the Headmasters anime as Scorponok's goons. The 2 vehicle merging into one robot gimmick was later applied to Overlord in Masterforce.
The duocons have an interesting concept two vehicles combined into one robot. And with the new transformers movie coming out with Battletrap be one of the main villains and Flywheels appears war for cybertron seige, maybe they'll appear more into the future.
I hope the Duocons would appear more in the future series, they are quite interesting characters
While I’m not a fan of battletrap’s POTP toy (though still happy to have him) I like to imagine that they were originally two seperate characters who were permanently fused together but both personalities still exist within them with flywheel/skytread’s components being Skyfly & Treadwheels so they could feasibly make both names
I wish we had of seen some autobot counterparts to them though, particularly if one was a shuttle & steam engine so we could have easy repaints of Astrotrain and vice versa
Totally agree with you about the POTP toy. Siege Skytread is fantastic though. I really would love to see Battletrap redone with that much quality.
As Flywheels once said "Oo 'eck!"
Always loved the Duocons 🔥
Always had a soft spot for Flywheels since his role in 'City of Fear' in the UK comics, and especially this classic moment of iconoclastic British humour on Simon Furman's part upon seeing Flame's army of zombie Transformers rise up:
Ultra Magnus and the Sparkabots (in unison): 'By the Celestial Spires...!'
Flywheels: 'Oo 'Eck...!'
RodimusPrimal has once again brought us entertainment
9:24-9;28 -😲Yikes, RodimusPrimal!😱
Hi Rodimus.my favorite transformers/Decepticons are the Duocons the g1 cartoon original classic,Retroboot,regeneration versions of the Duocons.also awesome restropective Rodimus 👌 them coming also my other favorite Decepticons are the War for Cybertron version of the Duocons who I,m looking forward to see more of the Duocons in future transformers cartoon,comics,and media,also thanks for sharing Rodimus 👌 up the 👍 work and until next time Till all are one.☺👍
I have the PoP Battletrap. I prefer the old concept where they can only form 1 robot together rather than the new concept of 2 independent complete robots. I find the codependency of the bots in the original design so much more interesting.
Fantastic Retrospective video RodimusPrimal!!!!!!!! :D I think the Duocons are very underused characters who deserve a chance to be prominent characters in future Transformers stories. :D I really, REALLY enjoy having the PotP/Siege figures of them in my collection. They will always been known as Battletrap and Flywheels to me, despite their new trademark names. lol :D Keep on being amazing.
A very cool and interesting concept that should be used more often.
I love the zombie story in the UK comic.
"Fly" wasn't really an F-4 Phantom II jet. Autobot Fireflight and Bayverse Blitzwing were, though. Fly was just as original and unidentifiable of a jet as Wheels was as a treaded howitzer.
Interesting. Where I got that info certainly got it wrong then. Whenever I mention vehicles that I'm not familiar with I usually get commented about it. Like with Punch/Counterpunch transforming into a Pontiac Fiero.
*¡This Retrospectives So Very Amazing And Goodness NICE!* 🍇🍓🍒🫐🍎🍏
It's potentially a cool idea if they expand the sub class and add more characters. Also, if they could control multiple vehicles they could combine and seperate from in battle they'd be pretty powerful. I'm actually glad to learn there's a Decepticon recolor of Thrilling 30's Springer because he's one of my favorite figures.
I think I like flywheels/sky tread because I have his seige figure and I like the figure
I really like the Siege figure. I hope Battletrap gets an update again too.
The funny thing is their ability to swap parts. Skytrap and battle tread
Always love your retrospectives
Gotta say, their onscreen debut in Headmaster is badass
I think I still have a flywheels around somewhere.
*¡The Duocons (Autobots And Decepticons) So Very AWESOME!* 🍔🥪🌭🍕🍟🌮
Love your videos dude, hope you make a retrospective on Gigatron
battletrap will be in the transformers rise of the beasts movie but his vehicle mode with be a tow truck
Indeed. This video will more than likely get more traction around that time too.
I bought a Studio Series Soundwave (Bumblebee) and Sideswipe today
Some kind of Hasbro 2-in-1 package?
Based Duocons
I had Flywheels as a kid, and later as an adult I acquired Battletrap.
I got Battletrap when he was new. Even then, I thought the gimmick was terrible. I was on my way out with Transformers soon after anyways.
Interesting. Of course I want to see more of them.
New sub here. Great content! Please keep up the great work!
Another great retrospective!
Thanks! Till all are one!
Another amazing video
It’s interesting to see how Battletrap will be in ROTB
That was a missed opportunity... BLAST!
I love these guys.
Battletrap has one of the coolest Marvel Comics designs
This gives me ideas for my fanfic.
Slamdance from Siege was the best!
Great series too
I'm glad Flywheels can wield himself as a target master.
I think their origins story as Shockwave's experimental creation is something that Hasbro should expand upon.
Totally agree.
I like the duncons twin they awesome and transformers in to one giant robot and great video review rodimus stay safe till all are one
After watching this I'm shocked they weren't at least a concept for season 2
Nice video!!!!!
Okay, it's coming back to me. I had a couple different friends who had these, but they never seemed "complete." I'm pretty sure now that it's because they lost one or the other robots...
I have the original Duocons and though the bot modes were basically battle-chargers I like the vehicle components.
The PotP Battle-Slash and Road Trap figures are actually well done. I don't have Skytread, but I do prefer that name to Flywheels. The aesthetic of that character is pleasing as well, combining those colors and bot design to create memorable figure.
Flywheels was one of my favorites as a kid and one of the first I got with WFC line. When I was a kid, I loved all the Transformers that were quick changers. Made for easier play lol.
Interesting. I wasn't really aware of their gimmick.
At least the have a little cammeo in Transformers Headmasters, the concept of the Duocons is quite interesting
I would love to see a retrospective on Octane, he is my favorite Decepticon and my favorite triple changer
Nice!
Rip skytread
I don't remember Tidal Wave where was he from? other that that another great video & can't wait for more retrospectives hope to see some more on the Beast Wars/Beast Machines characters soon
Tidal Wave is from Transformers Armada.
Tidal wave is from Armada.
@@RodimusPrimal ok thanks I never saw Armada
@@slicerneons3300 thanks I never saw armada
@@unclebrian8156 and just as a head up, tidal wave gets called shockwave (his Japanese name) sometime in the English dub since the show isn’t the greatest with keeping track with characters names
These are my favorite characters! I have potp battletrap and I love him