Fuel Soaked | Singapore Airlines Flight 368
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This is the story of Singapore airlines flight 368. On the 27th of june 2016 a singapore airlines 777 was flying from Singapore’s changi airport to Milan. The 777 is one of the worlds most popular widebody airplanes and it is also one of the safest. As of may 2020 more than 1600 units have been built and you could count on one hand the number of hull losses of the 777. So to say that the 777 was safe was an understatement. But every rule has an exception and the 241 people on board flight 368 were about to experience that first hand.
The flight to Milan was a long one. With them needing to spend at least 13 hours in the air the plane had two sets of pilots, On such long flights there’s a relief crew. After a certain while the secondary crew takes over and flies the plane as it is very much unsafe to have one crew pilot the plane for about 13 hours, i can't even type for two hours straight without making mistakes.
The plane climbed out from Changi into the dark sky. it was a few hours past midnight. As the plane settled into its cruising altitude of 30,000 feet. The pilots noticed something strange. The left engine showed 17 units of oil while the right engine only showed 1 unit of oil. A disparity like this is indicative of a much bigger problem. That wasn't all the oil pressure on the left engine was holding steady but the oil pressure on the right engine was all over the place. Jumping between 65 and 70 PSI, the oil was 10 degrees hotter on the right side as well, they scoured through the manuals that they had but nothing matched what they were seeing on their instruments. It should be noted that at this point all critical parameters were still in the green.
At 3:04 am local time the pilot in command contacts Singapore airlines’ engineering control center via satellite radio. The pilots check with engineering to see if it was safe to continue the flight. Engineering sees that the oil pressure is still in the green and they suggest that it might be the quantity indicator that might be malfunctioning. Engineering decides to check with technical support just to be sure. The flight flies on. Technical support agrees with engineering, they also think that its a faulty quantity indicator, but since the plane isnt that far from changi, they play it safe and ask the pilots to return.
As the copilot was checking the fuel system of the plane they noticed something strange. They were comparing the actual fuel burn to the expected fuel burn and noticed something strange, the plane was unusually efficient today, they had 600kg or 1300 pounds of excess fuel than they usually would have at this point in the flight. At 3:28 Am the crew gets an ACARS message asking them to return to changi.
The pilot in command hops on a conference call with engineering and tech support, the pilot tells everyone else that other than the oil quantity warning everything appeared to be normal and so they decided to continue onto Milan, but they had to monitor the fuel quantities and the oil parameters extra carefully.
Right as the conference call ended the crew felt a vibration in the control column and the cockpit floor and just for a split second they could smell something burning. They realized that the vibrations seemed to go away when they pulled power back on the right engine. Again the pilot 
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I admit to binge watching your videos, thank you, great content and level of detail yet not overly complicated. Good to see the less publicized close calls and more obscure incidents too. Small suggestion if I may - check the for a consistent volume level over the clips. Thanks for great videos!
Oh yes. I’ve got a lot of experience working on car engines, and fuel in the oil is just as perilous there as well. In addition to fuel not being a suitable lubricant, petroleum or alcohol fuels are also solvents, and, in the case of oil, like dissolves like. In other words, fuel in the oil system will effectively wash oil away from surfaces requiring lubrication, very quickly causing a runaway in mechanical wear and excessive heating per result. Engine failure is basically guaranteed in such a condition if things are not shut down extremely quickly.
Thanks for clearing that up I had that very same question when I was researching this video, Why did the engine have so many issues if the cold fuel kept everything cold. Thank you for your input
That’s exactly why the old cars with carbureted engines didn’t last very long and also required oil changes every 3,000 miles. Fuel soaked oil. These days you can go 10,000 miles partly because of synthetic oil but mostly because of tightly controlled fuel injection and catch can systems and so on.
Depends on the fuel. Petrol and jet fuel, sure, but diesel is a perfectly fine lubricant and is used to lubricate diesel engines. It's why putting petrol in a diesel is so bad. If you put diesel in a petrol engine it won't run properly, if you put petrol in a diesel it'll burn it but you'll screw up the engine because it won't be lubricated properly.
@@Person01234 jet fuel which is basically paraffin or Kerosene as you call it, is basically diesel.
@@dogwalker666 They're similar, but Jet-A1/JP-8 doesn't have as good lubricating qualities as diesel. That being said there are additives that can make it more lubricative, and it's less important in eg. military settings where vehicles are regularly maintained. In this case I don't think the lubrication was the issue in any case, the fuel in the oil system probably just found an ignition source and caught fire.
Great in depth work. A little technical, but it shows you did your research. Thanks, keep up your excellent work. We'll be watching.
Thank you so much for your support sarah!
Sarah Albers - Certainly, while not for everyone,
'A little technical...' is great 😄
@@mattcrosby2310 technical is not a critique at all. It is very detail specific , not something that you would be aware of unless you were involved directly. Hope that makes sense.
@@mattcrosby2310 😂😂 your 'air car go zoom' passage made me spit my tea all over my phone
“Nothing matched what they were seeing on their instrument panel...” except that it looks exactly like what you’d expect an oil leak to look like
There’s not enough money in the world to get me on a airplane!
JEFFREY LORENGER you gonna miss out
@@jeffreylorenger6746 do you drive? That's four times as dangerous as flying in terms of fatalities per hour of activity. How about cycling? That's eight times as dangerous as flying.
@@jeffreylorenger6746 flying is objectively the safest way to travel.
@@MegaBrokenstar Yes flying is definitely overall safer but if my engine blows up In my car I pull over and call AAA if the engine blows up at 40,000 feet up it’s a different situation all together?
You do an awesome job of explaining things understandably. I always look forward to your posts!
I have to say I love your aircraft videos. They are extremely thorough. This was a perfect example of failure on many levels that almost caused a loss of life. Great job.
I'd be a very timid pilot. As soon as they started getting more than one unusual instrument reading I would think they'd head right back and get on the ground as soon as possible.
Especially on a long flight like this
Yes that would be me aa well 😂 returning that is 🤪 especially if I smell something burning I would be getting on the ground asap!!
Bob Rogers And a safer pilot you would be! 👍
@SaltyScott lamo some pilots are nuts
Faulty indications are fairly common. Every pilot will get them. So it’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking multiple related indications are faulty if you’ve got conflicting indications that everything is fine. Seems like that’s what delayed their response here.
Thank you! Very detailed and comprehensive narration, now I know why you named your channel Mini Air Crash Investigation.
Having watched a lot of the Air Crash Investigation series, your videos are truly comparable, on a smaller scale.
As a non-tech person, I got a decent understanding of the issue here.
Fortunately, the engine would catch fire only when the plane was back on the ground.
Although who knows what would have happened if they had not decided to return to the airport.
Note also that the entire surface of the right wing burst into flames as soon as the aircraft started to turn off the runway, it wasn't just the engine. Eveything was covered in fuel. The panic inside the cabin at that stage was very high, as the flames made the cabin glow orange through the windows, many economy passengers ran forwards towards the business class cabin. I still cannot understand to this day why we were not evacuated immediately using the escape slides on the left side as soon as the aircraft came to a halt. The frightened and confused hostess sitting opposite me in the exit row on the right side in economy next to the burning wing was almost frozen, and obviously feared taking any action on her own account - despite the panic and my requests to evacuate on the other side. The captain even got on the cabin PA and told us that the fire service was coming...crazy. The longest ~5 minutes you could imagine, sitting on a burning aircraft waiting for them to arrive, and wondering if we were all about to die in some inferno. The other crazy thing was, the turnaround occurred well north west of KL. They didn't declare an emergency obviously - as they would have been able to divert and land much sooner at KL, instead more risk was posed during the two hours it took to fly all the way back to Changi on one engine; things could have gotten alot worse due to this also if that idling engine (not shut down) ended up exploding, which it may well have in retrospect once it was understood to have fuel circulating in the lubrication system. I feel lucky to be alive. Whilst some will argue that the aircrew saved our lives, I don't necessarily agree that they kept us out of danger all that well during this incident.
😮. Omg. So glad everyone made it out safely .
I guess once the thrust reversers were engaged, it was like the fuel filling the engine cavities went SPLOOSH onto the wing... were they able to get the plane fixed afterwards or was it totaled?
Extremely interesting and thorough job as always. I don't mind all the technicals, just reveals how complicated and often interdependent systems are. Glad I discovered this channel, keep up the great work!
Man, my hats off to Air New Zealand ! Beautiful paint sceme!!!!
Was thinking the same . Was so fixated on them , had to rewind twice as i missed part of the narrative. Beautiful design and colours...agreed
Shame they don't serve London any more.
Flown em home to Aussie a couple of times Lovely Airline
IMO Air New Zealand has some of the most beautiful paint schemes.
Beautiful paint schemes for a beautiful country!
A great video. Very informative and in-depth detail presented in such a way as to really hold the viewer's attention. Fascinating. Thanks!
They suspected a Fire in engine 2, why on earth did they land with reversers ? Singapore has a 4km RWY and the conditions were dry. There was no need to use reverse thrust in that situation
They already suspected they had an engine fire, though that suspicion proved to be likely incorrect, so one imagines that standard procedure when landing with an engine fire would be to land short to enable the fire fighters to get to work as quickly as possible. That really trumps preserving the engine as, to my understanding, any jet engine that has caught fire is immediately rendered scrap for aircraft use. Not that it made the slightest difference as the engine was utterly ruined long before the aircraft landed. Even modern aircraft can go up in flames extremely quickly so evacuating the aircraft as quickly as is safely possible has to be the priority...
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@@ann-il5ih you could easily land without reverses on a 4km dry runway if you're coming in at a normal landing speed. That is an undisputable statement of fact. There's no civil AC on the planet that couldn't slow down fast enough for that.
@@devial9879 the faster you can get out the better
@@ZaHandle no. Absolutely no. The SAFER you can get out the better. Why do you think large jets dump fuel before they do sn emergency landing ?
Fascinating! What a terrifying experience for those passengers once the plane landed but at the same time what a great outcome.
Great work. You go in-depth regarding the topic being discussed, which is the reason why this channel is great. Keep up the good work😀!
Thank you, your videos are really awesome
Great details as usual!!
Another good explanation of a complex situation. Thanks and good luck to you.
I love these videos, I watch at least one every day.
Another good story. Thank you !!!
I'd feel totally safe being next to you, typing for 2 hours or more!! Great video, you're doing an incredible job with your channel! Can't wait to see more video's! Take care and best wishes on everything you do!
They should have known that a faulty oil quantity sender cannot cause fluctuations in oil pressure! Those are two completely different circuits.
It seems crazy common that airline pilots have *no* idea how the mechanics of their airplane actually work.
@@christophertstone Do you know every circuit and part on your car? A plane is far more complex than a car.
@@MajinOthinus And that's why a pilot's license is a tad harder to obtain... Any idiot can can get a driver's license in most parts of the world. Some places you can just buy one.
@@FirstLastOne You still can't expect any human to know literally the entire blueprint of the plane. There's a reason those exist in the first place.
@@christophertstone but it was the engineers who came up with the false conclusion...
Hey good video man but I noticed a few things, first, be careful with your sound mixing, your 4th 5th and 6th paragraph all have different volumes. I can almost certainly tell that you recorded them at different instances and spliced them together afterwards. Also, be careful with your phrasing, you said " noticed something strange" twice in consecutive sentences.
A part from that I really enjoy your videos and dont take this criticism harshly, I just want your videos to sound more professional because they are really cool and ill be watching all of them!
Thanks and keep it up!
Hey patrick, Yeah you're right im looking for an ipad app that i can use to mix audio kinda like an ios version of audacity. thank you for the constructive criticism and thank you so much for your support!
Mini Air Crash Investigation
I really appreciate these videos and your attention to your viewers.
Patrick Bateman ..... beginning of your second paragraph should be 'Apart' - not 'A part'.... Just saying. . .
I really like the way you explain things.
I have just found your channel. Binged 5 videos already today. I really like your videos. Very informative. Keep them coming.
#NeverFlyingAgain
I am just loving the narration of these videos. I hope your parents are proud of your efforts.
I like your videos and look forward for more
Excellent I love all the technical info, an where those people lucky to return safley 👍
Excellent essay. Great channel
really enjoy your videos
A colleague of mine was on duty and responded to this incident. One of the initial, misguided thrusts of the Annex 13 investigation was the quality of the Jet A1, which is where I became involved.
I recently read that this kind of peculiar metal bonding is especially prevalent on spacecraft. Definitely a good thing to research more.
Sounds like your confusing metal bonding due to heat/friction with the vacuum bonding/fusion that occurs in space due to nothing being in between the metal particles leading to bonding at low temperature
Both leading to similar end results being that 2 pieces of metal are now joined to one, but molecularly there will be some differences i. The characteristics of the bonds themselves. Or possibly I misunderstood your comment as I am just waking up.
Yep, the two did look similar before I looked into them further. After a couple days I will go back and delete the original comment so it does not confuse anyone.
Great series!
Very detailed explanation
I'm re-watching. I'm from a small island in the Pacific. We don't get a variety of airlines. It's just fascinating to see some that does (PR, KE) and most that don't. And to read the latest comments since I first watched your oldest videos about 2 years ago.)
I'm an SQ fan an I didn't know this! Shame on me 😅 I'm also a huge fan of NatGeo ACI series, so to come across this channel is really cool! Thanks for putting this tgt, I'm really excited to go watch the rest of your videos!
as a retired hydraulics mechanic I have used many oil coolers but never a heat exchanger oil cooler/heater. Fascinating. Appreciate the diagram of this unit and the pictures of how it failed at the crimps. Keep up the good videos!!!
Great videos. Keep it up
You go above and beyond in your videos. Thank You. By the way, is that Vancouver international airport, in the beginning? I think I saw rapid transit, in the background. 😃
Nice job
Discovered your channel a few days ago and have been binging since! I've noticed a lot of your footage, including this video, is from YVR. Are you from there? I am and I planespot all the time. I wish air New Zealand was still flying here these days
Pulled the dipstick on an old MG i'm helping to restore looked at it ,felt it on my fingers and then smelled it. The engine had not been run for a long time and i said to my mate, no way we're firing this baby up until we put new oil in cold or not. Dropped the old oil replaced with new just for fire up and evaluation and she ran sweet. Some fluids should never mix in an engine including coolant. I could smell the petrol !!
He loses me .... but his research and his passion are evident ... well done!
This is in the playlist 5 times
Beautiful landing by Air New Zealand.
The conclusion line was catchy. "..to be fixed when the next time the engine makes it to the service, except that the engine didn't"
I watched Saudia flight 163 video. Shocking really
amazing
I liked and I'm commenting because the RUclips algorithm really likes that.
So you just do what the technocrats want you to do? You’re an enabler. Not a man.
@@crowneproductions9908 a man can be an enabler, those two groups are not mutually exclusive. At least I am capable of using my brain. :)
and i also loved it keep it up
awesome
This is why we still need Flight Engineers on board, and the pilots to be taught about inner workings and troubleshooting of the systems, not just pressing buttons.
good video
FAR states that any flights over 8 hours must have an extra crew member.
Refer to BA 777 on final. Never mind...well done!
Fluctuating oil pressure and high oil temperatures are sure signs of oil starvation....both check with the low quantity reading. Surprised that they were confused by the readings.
I am now obsessed with this channel.... question is, after covid, will I ever fly to Denmark to see my grandkids?!?!??!?!? Fuck.... but, yeah, I so enjoy each one, many thanks!
New subscriber!
Greetings from the Mojave 🏜
Welcome to the club!
Thank you for the wonderful video. I am wondering if you or any of the aviation experts here could tell me if the fire could have been avoided had they shut down the malfunctioning engine before landing (after all isn't it safe to operate the plane on just one engine)?
Hey vikram, from what i read in the report the first started due to the leaking fuel coming into contact with the exhaust cone kind of like what happened on china airlines flight 120, had they shut down the engine and waited for the engine to cool down the engine should not have caught fire, but its hard to say a small spark could have started a fire on that plane
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation Thank you for the clarification. Will look forward to your next video whenever you publish it!
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation you're really smart
It's also possible with a wind milling engine the airflow through the engine is drastically reduced it could have created that fire while in flight.
Once put petrol in my diesel van, soon alerted to the mistake turned round back to the garage filled the tank with diesel along with a litre of 2-stroke oil which luckily they sold. She wasn't happy for a few hundred miles but after another diesel top up carried on sweetly for many thousands. So glad i knew what needed to be done.
You did a great job narrator on the film.Sounded very interested in material. Great job..
4:28 Small correction, engine 2 (right hand)
Had not heard about this one before - thanks. Best airline in the world (except for that ugly 747 crash).
Back in the 2000
the youtube algorithm really likes that
Ebic and swag
Amazing that no one was killed.
Engineer : turn around
Pilot : nah . We can make it
Then
Bang !!!
Pilot : ok turn back now 😁
Al Gore Rhythm!:-) 🖖
I landed at changi in a DC-8 in 1972 , we were a mile from the terminal,and all caught a bus..( Air New Zealand DC-8),,Sh*t it was hot coming there from NZ.
My dad got posted,the NZ Army used to help train Singapore Forces, we even had sqawks there,Singapore Airforce had Hunters,,very nice planes to see flying.
Can’t believe the captain decided to continue on the flight with all these warnings.
A good clip. It seems obvious that the pilots very nearly were too late in deciding to return to the airport. A minute later would have been too late and all would have died if the engine fire took hold at altitude.
There have been so many accidents caused by parts that were already identified as faulty and in need of replacement but they waited for a regular service slot to fix them and the plane didn't make it.
Korean Air Lines - Thanks for the logo, Pepsi.
where are you from if you dont mind me asking? your accent is unique
I think he is from Wales. LOL.
The fuel oil heat exchanger is just called the FOE-HEE (FOHE.) That's easier to say than heat exchanger.
I tried to find the following flight details without success. Perhaps you can find the specific flight and highlight the events in a video.
Many years ago my mother was on a flight from SIN to PER (SQ is the carrier) when one of the engines on her two engine Airbus exploded around 40 minutes into the air. If I remember correctly it was an airbus A300 or A310. It took them 2 hours to limp back to changi on one engine.
Out of sheer coincidence or providence she was seated next to my uncle on the flight.
I tried to find the incident on the A310/300 wiki page without success. I believe but can't be sure it was a 2 engine widebody that was used by SQ. I believe it was sometime around the 90s or early 2000s. I did not want to ask my mother to relive her memory of the day so I haven't asked her about it since then.
The wings dont look big enough to hold much fuel , where are the main fuel tanks on big jets ?
Nice video but you should inform your audiences the type of Engine. I believe it was a Rolls Royce the same has had problems with the BA 777 heat exchanger that froze up ? Also I am really wondering why the PIC even bothered to call company support. .wouldn't it be a no brainier to head back immediately...why chance it.?????
Keep up the great work!
It wasn't a Rolls Royce. It was a GE90. This is the only engine available on the 777-300ER
@@VW_Fan Thanks . I stand corrected. Interesting.
Not a Rolls. It was a GE-90-115B
Flames = Rock & Roll
My shirt has flames on it.
If there’s anything I learned from this channel, it’s that if you get an issue shortly after takeoff, turn the fuck around.
I love your channel better than that other guy who refuses to use voice but only text making it difficult to watch the pics and read the text at the same time. Not cool. Plus you use videos instead of pics. Great job.
THE NARRATER, I SO NOT KNOW WHO YOU ARE , BUT I CANNOT IMAGINE YOU MAKING ANY MISTAKES, TYPING OR OTHERWISE !!
A stroke of luck that there were no casualties. I used to think that Singapore Airlines was a very safe airline. Now, I’m somewhat spooked 😳.
0:39 We're from Singapore, eh. 6:17 I don't understand why they needed to exit the runway. I'd stop right on centerline. 7:58 400 to 1600 PSI? Huge range! 11:54 Plus, Service Bulletins are not mandatory.
The aircrew see an oil quantity disagree. Ok, fine. Then, they see fluctuations in oil pressure. That is a secondary indicator of a leak, and even in your passenger car, if you have low oil quantity with pressure fluctuations, you pull over and shut off the engine IMMEDIATELY to prevent catastrophic engine damage. Obviously in an aircraft, you can't pull over, so you land at the nearest airport suitable to handle your landing requirements.
Had this been done in this case, the engine would have cooled in the air, and emergency landing made on one engine, and maintenance would probably have found the issue before the engine was completely destroyed. They are just fortunate that the fuel didn't cause a major engine fire in the air.
Damn, before Covid-19 I was used to take that very flight every 3 or 4 months and had never heard of this one.
It took the crew about 3h to get back to Changi since they had the first sign of trouble, way too much!
They needed to dump fuel so that the aircraft wasn't overweight when it landed. If they hadn't there would been a serious risk that the undercarriage would have collapsed thus causing the plane to crash..neither do I say any more!
We shall bow before thy Great and Powerful YTube algorithm.
Military planes as a rule, dont use that particular fuel/oil heat exchanger. Instead the Military specify that JetA1 Aviation turbine fuel receives an additive called FSII which is an anti-icing agent called Dimethyl glycol which prevents the formation of ice crystals in the fuel system.......it has the designation "F34"
I'd never make it as a captain of a commercial jet. Any time I had a problem I'd be turning around immediately or not leaving the airport. More than one airliner has had a fuse pop or something seemingly insignificant and next thing you know they are a greasy spot in a field somewhere.
Such complexity plus human complexity seems to always cast a shadow in every flight. When will this proclevety to catastrophy be overcome?
What happens to all these FUEL DUMPS ? I keep hearing about Planes dumping their fuel... where does it land? On people's houses? Isnt that also dangerous?
Yes it can, perhaps it is. Typically dumps are done over water...however..its not the same as dumping gasoline straight down. When calculating danger...a crashing aircraft full of fuel is way more dangerous compared to the dump on innocent people.
You don't evacuate the runway, you exit the runway onto the taxiway.
Getting the passengers and crew off the airplane in an emergency is an evacuation.
Having jettisoned fuel to(I assume) get below landing weight made using the thrust reverser on an engine that was acting up, not a very good idea. The 777, any modern airliner, is designed to land and stop on a normal runway without reverse thrust.
If you have a twin engine jet with one engine technically "running" but only at idle, it should be treated as an engine failure. It may be providing hydraulics, electricity and air, but, it is not able to produce any useable thrust, so, it is, essentially failed..
Can we get animations showing what happens as you explain?
won't be cheap and frequency of uploads will drop significantly.
Should they have bailed out?
The audio volume is unequal and got way softer midway through. Pls equalize or normalize all your audio levels next time.
shit man, we really are just hoping everything works together all at once aren't we
Start your day with your real name...you will feel better.
Heh... I love how they didn't just give moist towels to everyone. Gotta maintain the social order, amirite?
Glad nobody was hurt, in the end.
They should provide parachutes on big airliners or wing suits so passengers can have a chance of survival.
Imagine having to train for skydiving to fly on a plane
As soon as the pilots realized they had a problem with one of their only two engines, they should have been making plans to get that plane on the ground. I don't care what "Engineering" said.
odd comparison, typing for 2 hours vs 13 hours of flying. I made mistakes typing this.
Did I get that right. They replaced humans with a machine to get perfection and the machines did not get perfection but the humans did?