What? ... bruh. Superman is a white patriotic, straight dude with a savoir's complex and super human strength.... Hollywood can't get enough of him. How many more superman movies will they make
Ultraman is an Evil Superman Variant from Another Universe!! Not a Clone or Bizzaro. They're Cramming what looks like 70 years of Superman character development and crossovers into One Movie. Cart Before Horse AGAIN.
This just feels like the “Spider-Man 3 effect” with all of these new startup reboots for the last 15+ years! Cramming too many characters, and too many origins stories into ONE movie that’s supposed to have one central character at the center of it all!
@@mosesa.weaver3058 youre over reacting. There are so many movies out there with multiple characters that are great. Its how its written and not "too many characters" The other super heroes in the movie are just cameos lol.
@@iwasanangryyoungman DERRRR yes. James Gunn has already confirmed they will appear in the movie before starring in their own movie lol. also, who cares if the characters are gay or not lmao.
Luke Skywalker, Superman and Optimus Prime. 3 pop culture symbols of the ideal masculinity. All 3 have been, in some way, subverted or mistreated by Hollywood.
@@tyrannosuperior5248 Indiana Jones, Dr Who, and many more. What to do? For myself, I've gained 7lbs of muscle, fixed my credit and am doing my best to be a real life man to look up to. I figure be the change I wanna see. It's been a process I started after seeing which way the cultural wind was blowing around 2014. If they refuse to depict healthy masculine archetypes, then I'll just become one😁
Well, no, Luke Skywalker was no embodiment of masculinity, and Optimus Prime wasn't even human. Personally, my heroes were more of the brainy type, like Reed Richards, but I recognize that most men idolized Superman, not Reed.
Look what Disney did to Han Solo,and Indiana Jones. Male characters aren't allowed to be anything but stupid comedy relief for some strong perfect girl boss.
Something tells me the Superman clone/variant that becomes Bizarro will be a not-so-subtle way to try and crap on the more serious take that Henry Cavill had on the character. Considering Corenswet even LOOKS like a bit of a young Cavill...something tells me that "Evil superman" will be even more suspiciously in resemblance to Cavill's Superman. He will probably perform an act(Iike a neck break?) that is inserted to OVERTLY remind people of Cavill's Superman and say "See, this is NOT how its done!" I can feel it.
My fear for SUPERMAN is the current hollywood trend of emasculated male over apologizing while stronk girl bosses blames everyone for her problems, so tired of these tropes.
Lois is most likely gonna be stronk gurl who can't do nothing wrong, and is gonna lecture and fix Superman about 'rights'. That's the trend right now after all.
Story telling has been lost because we now live in a world where the entire entertainment industry is terrified of offending the kind of people who are always offended about something.
Not the only reason...hollywood creativity has also been on a decline ever since the '07 writers strike when a lot of unique stuff got cancelled...they started to play it safe after that...the offended people are only recently being catered to due to politics but creativity was going down the toilet before that, just slowly....they afraid of taking risks and are focused on pandering to noise boxes on the internet who arent real people...basically they love to feed the trolls.
@@animezilla4486 Not true at all. There are no writers in Hollywood today; just woke hacks. The movie industry is virtually dead. The audience can only put up with so many computer generated super hero movies before they lose interest completely.
@@jimhenderson9173 disagree what do you call the writer for those legendary pictures Godzilla and Kong movies are they woke hacks as well because not everybody in Hollywood cares about woke
I want a "back to basics" on Superman. Truth, justice, and the American way. Someone who is different and isolated, but constantly strives forward, doing what is right and ready to hold out a hand to someone. A self-sacrificing, altruistic protector who is strong, but gentle. Hell, My Hero Academia's All Might is probably the closest Superman I've seen in a long time (since Justice League/Justice League Unlimited ended) and All Might is a Japanese anime/manga character, who is basically a homage to Superman.
Prolly helps we're all Anglo and share a lot of culture and heritage. Plus, for every fault it legit has, American rule has been incredibly gentle and prosperous compared to most other hegemons.
I don't understand saying Superman is not "different and isolated". I don't think he's really either. It's been confirmed by the Lasso of Truth on multiple occasions that Superman doesn't think of himself as Superman but as a human named Clark Kent. He's nothing but your average farmboy from Kansas and is only "different' in that he has superpowers. Clark Kent is who is; Superman is what he does.
@@BiggieTrismegistus Yes, Clark does think of himself as human. Clark is who he is, Superman is just an alter-ego. However, there is still that barrier of "truly fitting in" that lingers. It is the fact the world around him views him as different, despite how he is American as apple pie. He is an alien and that only makes some people fear him. The God-like super-powers just adding to the uncertainty some feel. He is the unknown. He is not like them. Which is why he strives constantly to bridge that gap and show the USA and the world the person he actual is. That there isn't anything to be afraid of. That is part of why he is Superman, to gain acceptance and prove his worth to his adopted planet. Until he achieves that, he can't reveal to the world who and what Clark Kent is without losing the precious peace and normalcy he has as Clark Kent. So he bears some isolation and such because he cannot be 100% himself around the vast majority of people, with only a few people ever learning his secret identity in most iterations of the character.
The Girl Shouldn't be on the Panel, there are so many Women who love Superman, it shouldn't have been that hard to find an actual fan to be on the panel instead of just putting a girl who doesn't care what she watches as long as it's "not Gay"🙄 what a weird comment, at least make it sound like your a fan, sister.
I like humble characters, too, but there's something admirable about the guy who can mouth off and then back it up. I can't think of a superhero like that, but there have been several real-life examples, Muhammad Ali, Larry Bird, etc. Of course, it's always amusing to see someone mouth off and then get humiliated, like almost everyone who said they were going to beat Mike Tyson and then ended up on the canvas 30 seconds into the fight.
Dean Kain was not better than Reeves. The genius of the Reeves portrayal, that no one else could match, is that he made Superman and Clark look like two COMPLETELY different people. There isn't a single other actor of Superman that managed to do this. We are required to give total suspension of disbelief that a pair of glasses is a sufficient disguise.
@@cc3775 It's all about the acting. Reeves put a lot of effort to change his voice, to hunch when walking (hiding his height), to wear clothing that covers his physique, and to act in a very meek/bumbling manner. All that stuff has an effect in making a person see Superman and Clark as two seperate people. No other actor put in that level of work. Hell, I haven't seen that level of effort from the animations, and I don't think the comics have ever really put that much effort in either. Reeve did it best. You can have your favorites but he was the only one that could genuinly make the audience think that this could legit be two people.
Aren't you going to wait for Gunn's Superman to release to give that verdict? ... Donner's Superman was good for his time but doesn't work well in our age. In fact, most people would hate it just like they are now by throwing shade at Gunn
Yet another case of us watching the same old routine of 'creatives' and corporate types determinedly refusing to take the simple actions that would earn them a billion.
Tom Welling is always underrated. He would have made a great Superman back in the day and he did a great job playing as Clark/Kal. Henry Cavil had it down pretty on point, and Man of Steel was good except for the thrown in romance, js. Not a fan of the rest of the Snyderverse aside from Wonder Woman.
I think that's what ALLL these 'leaks' are about...from the suit to everything else...they gaging the audience and their excitement and their criticisms...
They are blinded by Guardians, Peacemaker, and the newest Suicide Squad, which were all within his wheelhouse. Superman and most of the DC Universe is outside of his wheelhouse and it’s mind boggling the amount of trust that has been invested into him doing something completely different from what he specializes in.
“None of this sounds great”?? Superman inspires his fellow heroes to not kill, a Superman clone goes rogue thus becoming bizarro and Luthor gets away in the end. Sounds like Superman.
I don't know why people are baffled. Anyone familiar with Gunn knows he was a bad choice. He's an irreverent person and Clark is the opposites of that. Kal El was raised by John and Martha with middle America values. Those values have respect at their core. Irreverent people can't accurately adapt that. Plus, Gunn has said before that he prefers adapting lesser known characters because it frees him up to do more of what he likes. The day WB hired him was the day they put DC live actions movies 6 feet under. They were on life support as it is, this was their last chance. They won't get another for a while after this reboot universe fails.
how is James going a bad choice have you even seen any of his movies because people also praise them as well so what you say has a huge pothole in it besides you really don't know if the universe is going to fail only time will tell but I can straight up tell you James Gunn's representation is amazingly well good
@@animezilla4486 Did you read what the comment said? Gunn likes developing lesser known characters cause he can do whatever...supes isn't a lesser known character and he can't just do whatever he wants...his films are entertaining to people BUT that doesn't mean he right for this...that said, no one really knows how it will all do BUT I do agree if this fails, this gonna be pretty bad for them...that said, they could still continue with The Batman...a LOT of people liked that the few were the ones who complained...and that was during pandemic times when some folks in certain places couldn't move around as freely.
@@uss_cushingthis sound’s something like captain America civil war. Superman on the run and trying to escape the government and it’s hero’s who agree with them.
@@ZanderHanna If this was solely a Superman movie I wouldn’t mind. However James has added so many superheroes into a superhero movie that I feel like once again I have to do a metric ton of homework to understand what’s going on. That fact alone already has me questioning James Gunn’s leadership regarding this reboot.
@@uss_cushing Yup...they rushing justice league again...or rather they trying to use superman as a jumpoff for all the side characters in his universe, i think is what is going on...
Fails ones again?!? Did you not see the guardians movies, the suicide squad, or the peacemaker tv show?!? Stop boohooing about Zach Snyder dog shit vision being scrapped and give this time to develop.
@@LuisCabreraLCBJJliterally said by no one ever but you 😂 GOTG 3 does not suck one bit it literally was one of the best films in MCU in a long time gooofy.
Amazing Spider-Man 2 vibes. Bloated movie trying too hard to tease future movies. Warner Brothers can’t help themselves, they don’t want to be patient and just make good stories, they want to rush a franchise to the billion dollar mark.
I like the no-kill rule w/Superman. For me, the biggest disappointment in Man of Steel was Snyder forcing Supes to break his no-kill rule in the first movie. I think this movie plot has great potential, except for one thing, they are totally setting up Lex Luther as a Trump parody. And that will ruin the entire movie for me. I'm still waiting for LL to be done right in live action, not done wrong in a new way.
I had a much bigger issue with Clark letting Jonathan die than killing Zod, myself. If they'd followed up with killing Zod at all with Clark carrying the guilt of what he had to do, it might have been interesting, but they never did anything with it in a sequel. Even in Man of Steel, it wasn't really given any weight as the very next scene is Superman destroying the drone and the "I just think he's kinda hot" gag. They needed one more scene of Superman and Lois coming out of the station to reflect on both Zod's death and the destruction in Metropolis imo. Didn't have to be much, but just something to give that stuff a little more emotional weight instead of the jarring cut to the destroyed drone scene.
That's such a dumb thing to really say Because Superman never had no kill rule Yes he will save people but if he has to he will kill the save people and have you not ready to become book he has killed villains and creatures to save people's lives You know what I'm saying but it's only at last resort the whole point of the Snyder thing is that this is Superman first time fighting something that he can't just easily stop That was the lesson the lesson was learned that killing and knowing when to kill and when to be ready to save people and went to sacrifice everybody keeps ignoring the complexities of what Superman is because everybody wants him to be already Superman That's not how that works Superman then just started out as Superman if you read original Superman stuff Superman was a jerk honestly before he was turned into the big blue Boy scout everybody love so much You know what I'm saying There are levels to these characters and it just seems like everybody is stuck in one person's performance of a character that they can never see past that performance You have to look past what you known to see Christopher Reeve Superman as or just sea Superman in general because most people who say this don't even read Superman comic books but they love Superman but they only watch the Christopher Reed movies in the DC animated Superman so you wouldn't know how he evolved and changed you know
I'm against the no-kill rule because it makes no sense in Superman's line of work and it makes him out to be selfish and childish. What's more important to him, protecting innocent lives in immediate, catastrophic danger or feeling good about his moral self-image? A Superman who cares more about feeling good about himself is no hero at all. A Superman who does what's necessary to protect the innocent, even if he feels remorse and regret over it, is a hero I would respect and look up to.
@@sasquatchandme3673I get what you're saying but the one thing I disagree with you about is that you think Lex becoming president has anything to do with Donald Trump not everything has to be related to him besides this ain't the first time lex has become president he was that way in the comics, the cartoons and the animated DC movies
Yeah you're definitely gonna make a successful movie by having Superman just do mundane things for the whole runtime. This superman is going to be very happy and actually be a symbol of hope.
I don't understand why people are shocked; James Gunn Said his favorite Batman movie was the one with George Clooney! That should tell u where he is going with Superman, Straight Campy
Did i hear WDWPro say that he would put Dean Caines portrayal of Superman better than Christopher Reeves who is THE ONE AND ONLY,truly original authentic and comic book accurate version of the man of steel.
Pro is on drugs if he thinks Dean Cain was good. Don't get me wrong,, I liked him on Lois and Clark, but he is the worst actor of all Superman actors--it's not even close.
@Generalindifference We live in a depressing and crappy world that the last 4 years have done nothing but highlight. It's more a reflection of where society and the world are than anything else.
@@willjohnboy sounds like a big old waste of money having to go in and fix the suit digitally. every other superman suit has had the actors movability be just fine , even the nicolas cage one seem to have great movability while looking great
I disagree about him being a hack - he made other great movies like Dawn of The Dead, his worst movies are mediocre yet still better than real hacks like JarJar Abrams, but agree with your sentiment that he's not going to do DC characters any justice whatsoever
No one gave 2 💩's about Guardians of the Galaxy until the movie was made. That movie made a crappy comic book team super popular. Wait till ya see it to hate it.
@@CordellPottsno. Fake nerd alert. Dan Abbnet redid the Guardians and made them awesome then James Gunn made the tard movie version and ruined the comics because they started copying the stupid movies.
@@CordellPottsSomebody’s forgetting the fact that any film in Guardian’s position would’ve done well due to Marvel being a successful brand at the time. DC doesn’t have that.
@@thewatchman13 Nope. It doesn't matter what position Marvel was in. That didn't save Thor The Dark World or Dr Strange 2, even though those movies came out when everyone thought Marvel could do no wrong too. Even if it did do well with fans, doesn't mean it _had_ to do well with critics either. Stop hating and wait.
Actor and actress casting has always been volatile conversations.... But GENERALLY the story can carry or the portrayal can even be great.... The problem with dc is the stories and dialogue have been fing terrible. No matter who you cast, if the role is garbo.... The entire project becomes a dumpster fire
@@Taxguy99 he was a drama actor with zero action experience, and i think that particular film was an adaption no one knew what was going to come of it. was it going to be serious or corny... and picking an actor with his history confused the f out of people... it just happened to work well. great directing, great script, and well performed.
*James Gunn has said he is bring back, "Truth, Justice, & the American Way!"* If James Gunn does this he'll have my respect ... but doesn't mean this movie wil be good.
James Gunn's plan for Superman in modern day is to have people around him consider Superman --THE MOST POWERFUL HERO IN DC COMICS...to be a dork that no one takes seriously. So these are the choices that Hollywood gives Superman fans: MAN OF STEEL where Superman is portrayed as an EMO outcast who doesn't know if humanity is worth saving or not...or SUPERMAN LEGACY where he's portrayed as an out of touch dork that people criticize or snicker at behind his back. HOLLYWOOD IS RUN BY SATANISTS. PERIOD.
I like the idea of Luthor being an evil Tony Stark. Have him being a weapons manufacter as well as a profiteer. But aside from that, if that's really the plot then it's weak AF.
This movie will make almost as much as the average lemonade stand. The character is no longer culturally relevant and associated with failure and bad movies.
Have you seen pictures of Christopher Reeve’s son lately? He looks more like Superman than his dad did. I wonder why they never considered using him in the role?
He might not be able to act...he does look good, looks like his father, but yea he might not have the acting chops. But that would be amazing to announce Chris Reeves son as Superman in a new movie, that would be good hype
William Reeve is 44 years old (and I think is the one you're talking about) and Matthew Reeve is 32 and doesn't look very much like Superman. If it's the former, I think age is definitely a factor even if he has wanted to be considered. He'd be in his mid-50's by the time a third movie was being filmed.
I think Gunn has a capacity to be anti Hollywood agenda and pro traditional Superman while not having to deconstruct Superman. Ultimately Man Of Steel is a deconstructed Superman, just maybe not a liberal deconstructed Superman traditionally associated with deconstructive art, but nonetheless deconstructed. Not every Superhero is compatible with that. Batman is because he's a psychological character. It's not that Zack tried to make Superman dark. It's that he did deconstructive stuff with him that's not necessary. I think Gunn is anti deconstruction. And could do a great job as a result.
That's exactly my feeling too. I mean, when I think about PEACEMAKER, omg that show was both corny and hokey but also genuine and unironically patriotic. James Gunn can give us characters that are self-aware of how anachronistic they seem and somehow that makes them aspirational. BTW: Bizarro FTW! I cannot imagine a more perfect vehicle for James Gunn's special type of ridiculous but truly wrenching characters....laughable and tragic, hilarious and heart breaking. I am sort of expecting for the Bizarro arch to end up stealing the entire movie.
One of the big issues is that these IPs have an entrenched legacy and fan base, so the stakes are always automatically high. Previous story tellers were building the legacy and there was less attention and focus on these characters and stories, so the stakes weren't as high. Doing the same now, is seen as careless and offensive to fans.
Gunn is taking a page from Kingdom Come, which came out at a time heroes were edgy and had no issues killing villains. Considering the amount of people Batman, Ironman, Captain America, and Thor have killed in their movies, this is likely a critique of that. Superman as well killed Zod. Growing up, what made Wolverine such a great character was him resisting killing people. The Punisher and Vigilante killed people, but they weren’t heroes. They were villains.
Because of how much of a mess WBD and DC is in, i am just happy I have films like Man of Steel, BVS, and Zack Snyder's JL. Zack Snyder and Henry Cavill rejuvenated Superman and found a new generation of superman fans that Christopher Reeve couldn't do
I actually think the huge amount of history of this character makes it hard to do a new Superman movie, as his enemies are so well known that its hard to rewrite one of them to be interesting in a movie. Also, superman is so powerful that they have to somewhat lower the stakes, so the special effects don't drive the movie to unprofitability.
No it doesn't. Superman was never "hated by the authorities" in the '30s. He went AFTER corrupt politicians and corporate powerholds. There aren't any scenes of Police or anyone else "hating" Superman. He just fought the system. Now, they had them "hating" him when Grant Morrison tried to redo the 30's concept again in the 2000's. But, no, this has no connection to the Shuster/Siegel character. Facts.
How about we watch the movie and then form opinions? I have complete faith in James. He's an amazing writer and an even better director. The emasculation angle is such a completely horrible take, dude. Face it, this movie will be good.
I was appalled at the leaked set photo of Superman kissing another man on the lips.🤦🏻♂️ We all know about the abrupt comic book series cancellation with the Superman kissing his boyfriend on the lips, because it outraged potential customers, didn’t sell, and thus disappeared like Jimmy Hoffa.
I don’t understand the reasoning about how it “emasculates” Superman. If he’s standing up for his ideals in the face of opposition then that’s incredibly masculine because it takes courage to do so all by itself let alone being challenged. This will depend entirely on how it’s executed. The plot is very thin on substance so there’s lots of room for James Gunn to get us emotionally invested. He’s shown is ability to do that. The Rat Catcher father daughter arc was excellent in suicide squad and he had to operate with VERY limited screen time.
This sounds fine. This sounds like the plot of 1980’s-90’s DC. It introduces bizzarro and luthor as set ups. Jesus Christ. The plot with luthor is straight out of the books. Bizarro is too. Superman not killing in a world of killers works. I’m not sure how this shit is emasculating? Super man is going against the world and taking the Christian high road by not killing?
4:09 Ok I like the fact that Supes has a stance and inspires heros to be moral but it sounds like Gunn's cramming 5 movies into one. JSA, the authority, Supergirl, Lex and Bizzaro?
I do not subscribe to the postmodernist idea that Superman is boring,. The writers are boring if they can't write a good story about or around him with his morals and motto in tact. They just think all that is good and ...ahem... white is 'pale and stale'. You actually need a moral center to write a moral character.
Pro I normally consider you a smart guy but other than supporting the garbage that is Rippaverse the stupidest thing you’ve ever said is Dean Kane over Christopher Reeve
Superman is the most quintessentially heroic superhero, basically a superpowered boy scout. He represents traditional moral values and is a good role model. In other words, he is everything that Hollywood hates. There is no way he'll be represented faithfully and with respect on screen. I'll stick with the first two Christopher Reeve films. I like Henry Cavill as an actor, but his Superman was too dark. I haven't seen Dean Cain.
8:11 professional just means you get payed for it.... By that logic i once dated a professional girlfriend. I believe you meant skilled or quality weighting.
There might be an issue with Ultraman. There's a live scifi-action serries from Japan called Ultraman. So the name might need to be altered for foreign markets to avoid trademark disputes. Otherwise the whole clone thing is probably the only way to introduce modern Bizarro. The no kill rule only makes sense as a means to keep governments from freaking out over superman (cause they can't stop him). Killing would only make people more paranoid and fearfull about Superman. Although I'm pretty sure that was more of a mandated comics code than a rule of conduct. So no hero was ever out to kill. Even if they did nobody ever dies and stays dead in the comics. It almost feels like they are cramming to many plot threads from the late 90's~2010 into a reboot. That was my problem with the Green Lantern.
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They can’t make a great Superman movie. He is everything Hollywood hates
What? ... bruh. Superman is a white patriotic, straight dude with a savoir's complex and super human strength....
Hollywood can't get enough of him. How many more superman movies will they make
@@kiaadams104 You don't know much about Hollywood apparently.
@angrytoybox Facts. Hollywood will get all the woke boxes checked to make sure Superman fits their agenda.
@@kiaadams104 that's Hollywood of the 80s/90s but not today lol. your trolling hahahahaha
or maybe superman is the worst written character and has too many gatekeepers
Ultraman is an Evil Superman Variant from Another Universe!!
Not a Clone or Bizzaro.
They're Cramming what looks like 70 years of Superman character development and crossovers into One Movie.
Cart Before Horse AGAIN.
lol its not ultraman in the movie. its going to be Apollo from the Authority lol. how no one understands that amuses me to no end
This just feels like the “Spider-Man 3 effect” with all of these new startup reboots for the last 15+ years!
Cramming too many characters, and too many origins stories into ONE movie that’s supposed to have one central character at the center of it all!
@@intothezombieapocalypseApollo as in the ghey Superman from The Authority?
@@mosesa.weaver3058 youre over reacting. There are so many movies out there with multiple characters that are great. Its how its written and not "too many characters" The other super heroes in the movie are just cameos lol.
@@iwasanangryyoungman DERRRR yes. James Gunn has already confirmed they will appear in the movie before starring in their own movie lol. also, who cares if the characters are gay or not lmao.
Luke Skywalker, Superman and Optimus Prime. 3 pop culture symbols of the ideal masculinity. All 3 have been, in some way, subverted or mistreated by Hollywood.
@@tyrannosuperior5248 Indiana Jones, Dr Who, and many more.
What to do?
For myself, I've gained 7lbs of muscle, fixed my credit and am doing my best to be a real life man to look up to. I figure be the change I wanna see.
It's been a process I started after seeing which way the cultural wind was blowing around 2014.
If they refuse to depict healthy masculine archetypes, then I'll just become one😁
Well, no, Luke Skywalker was no embodiment of masculinity, and Optimus Prime wasn't even human. Personally, my heroes were more of the brainy type, like Reed Richards, but I recognize that most men idolized Superman, not Reed.
If you look at ANY of these fictional characters as ‘ideal masculinity’, you need SO much therapy. Seriously.
Add Indiana Jones and Axel Foley to that list.
Look what Disney did to Han Solo,and Indiana Jones. Male characters aren't allowed to be anything but stupid comedy relief for some strong perfect girl boss.
Something tells me the Superman clone/variant that becomes Bizarro will be a not-so-subtle way to try and crap on the more serious take that Henry Cavill had on the character.
Considering Corenswet even LOOKS like a bit of a young Cavill...something tells me that "Evil superman" will be even more suspiciously in resemblance to Cavill's Superman. He will probably perform an act(Iike a neck break?) that is inserted to OVERTLY remind people of Cavill's Superman and say "See, this is NOT how its done!"
I can feel it.
My fear for SUPERMAN is the current hollywood trend of emasculated male over apologizing while stronk girl bosses blames everyone for her problems, so tired of these tropes.
That will likely be what this is. Superman is a privileged beta male while super girl is a strong girlboss.
I wouldn't be surprised any- if/when it happens
Lois is most likely gonna be stronk gurl who can't do nothing wrong, and is gonna lecture and fix Superman about 'rights'. That's the trend right now after all.
@@TsukabuNosoratori2maybe she'll somehow end up with Supermans powers
The actress who plays Lois said she would be the one saving Superman, not the other way around, so...
Story telling has been lost because we now live in a world where the entire entertainment industry is terrified of offending the kind of people who are always offended about something.
Storyteller has not been lost
Not the only reason...hollywood creativity has also been on a decline ever since the '07 writers strike when a lot of unique stuff got cancelled...they started to play it safe after that...the offended people are only recently being catered to due to politics but creativity was going down the toilet before that, just slowly....they afraid of taking risks and are focused on pandering to noise boxes on the internet who arent real people...basically they love to feed the trolls.
@@animezilla4486 Not true at all. There are no writers in Hollywood today; just woke hacks. The movie industry is virtually dead. The audience can only put up with so many computer generated super hero movies before they lose interest completely.
@@jimhenderson9173 disagree what do you call the writer for those legendary pictures Godzilla and Kong movies are they woke hacks as well because not everybody in Hollywood cares about woke
I want a "back to basics" on Superman. Truth, justice, and the American way. Someone who is different and isolated, but constantly strives forward, doing what is right and ready to hold out a hand to someone. A self-sacrificing, altruistic protector who is strong, but gentle. Hell, My Hero Academia's All Might is probably the closest Superman I've seen in a long time (since Justice League/Justice League Unlimited ended) and All Might is a Japanese anime/manga character, who is basically a homage to Superman.
said the same thing elsewhere "truth, justice and the AMERICAN way", as an Aussie l was NEVER "offended" by that statement.
Prolly helps we're all Anglo and share a lot of culture and heritage. Plus, for every fault it legit has, American rule has been incredibly gentle and prosperous compared to most other hegemons.
@@duncanharrell5009😆 I don't even really consider Aussies, Canadians, Kiwis and Brits to be "foreigners".
I don't understand saying Superman is not "different and isolated". I don't think he's really either. It's been confirmed by the Lasso of Truth on multiple occasions that Superman doesn't think of himself as Superman but as a human named Clark Kent. He's nothing but your average farmboy from Kansas and is only "different' in that he has superpowers. Clark Kent is who is; Superman is what he does.
@@BiggieTrismegistus Yes, Clark does think of himself as human. Clark is who he is, Superman is just an alter-ego. However, there is still that barrier of "truly fitting in" that lingers. It is the fact the world around him views him as different, despite how he is American as apple pie. He is an alien and that only makes some people fear him. The God-like super-powers just adding to the uncertainty some feel. He is the unknown. He is not like them. Which is why he strives constantly to bridge that gap and show the USA and the world the person he actual is. That there isn't anything to be afraid of.
That is part of why he is Superman, to gain acceptance and prove his worth to his adopted planet. Until he achieves that, he can't reveal to the world who and what Clark Kent is without losing the precious peace and normalcy he has as Clark Kent. So he bears some isolation and such because he cannot be 100% himself around the vast majority of people, with only a few people ever learning his secret identity in most iterations of the character.
Superman is my favorite character. It is a shame what they continually do to him.
Hollywood is incompetent.
Mine too
The Girl Shouldn't be on the Panel, there are so many Women who love Superman, it shouldn't have been that hard to find an actual fan to be on the panel instead of just putting a girl who doesn't care what she watches as long as it's "not Gay"🙄 what a weird comment, at least make it sound like your a fan, sister.
Sounds like a mix of different Superman The Animated Series story lines.
I'm cool with this.
I'll give judgement After I Watch It.
Humility is always important to me for a hero. Harry Potter was another example.
I like humble characters, too, but there's something admirable about the guy who can mouth off and then back it up. I can't think of a superhero like that, but there have been several real-life examples, Muhammad Ali, Larry Bird, etc. Of course, it's always amusing to see someone mouth off and then get humiliated, like almost everyone who said they were going to beat Mike Tyson and then ended up on the canvas 30 seconds into the fight.
Dean Kain was not better than Reeves. The genius of the Reeves portrayal, that no one else could match, is that he made Superman and Clark look like two COMPLETELY different people. There isn't a single other actor of Superman that managed to do this. We are required to give total suspension of disbelief that a pair of glasses is a sufficient disguise.
My son was remarking on how different he looks with just the glasses as we were watching Superman II the other night.
@@cc3775 It's all about the acting. Reeves put a lot of effort to change his voice, to hunch when walking (hiding his height), to wear clothing that covers his physique, and to act in a very meek/bumbling manner.
All that stuff has an effect in making a person see Superman and Clark as two seperate people. No other actor put in that level of work. Hell, I haven't seen that level of effort from the animations, and I don't think the comics have ever really put that much effort in either.
Reeve did it best. You can have your favorites but he was the only one that could genuinly make the audience think that this could legit be two people.
@@tomaO2 I never really thought about it but you’re right. He was two completely different people.
Dean Cain had a new take on Clark Kent. Loved his Clark Kent. His superman was ok.
Nobody did Superman better than Richard Donner, Christopher Reeve & Gene Hackman.
Meh
Aren't you going to wait for Gunn's Superman to release to give that verdict? ... Donner's Superman was good for his time but doesn't work well in our age. In fact, most people would hate it just like they are now by throwing shade at Gunn
@@neo-andersonit just escalates how good it was
@@neo-anderson Hollywood has LONG ago lost the right to be given a chance. Everything they now do is sh1te until proven otherwise.
Superman 1 + 2 Richard donner cut is the best superhero story arch put on film
They are cherry picking various old comic book plotlines.
So basically he took the elements of Red Son in which Luthor clones Superman and makes Superman 2 which was pretty much Bizarro.
Yet another case of us watching the same old routine of 'creatives' and corporate types determinedly refusing to take the simple actions that would earn them a billion.
It's so obvious what they should've done with Cavill. Yet, they chose not to do it. 😢
@@ericpowell4350well. They didn’t do the same with Tobey but everyone loved Andrew and Tom
Tom Welling is always underrated. He would have made a great Superman back in the day and he did a great job playing as Clark/Kal.
Henry Cavil had it down pretty on point, and Man of Steel was good except for the thrown in romance, js. Not a fan of the rest of the Snyderverse aside from Wonder Woman.
In my opinion this leak was done on purpose to get a vibe on what the normies/ fans think/ feel about the script😊
I think that's what ALLL these 'leaks' are about...from the suit to everything else...they gaging the audience and their excitement and their criticisms...
@@hollywoodpineapple8337 Facts🙌🏾
Christopher Reeves will FOREVER BE MY SUPERMAN!!😊
George Reeves for me.
Forever! ❤❤
I 'am STUNNED and BAFFLED that people are shocked when james gunn puts out total crap.
The first 2 guardians were good.... But what else has he done on that level?
@@brooklyngemini34101 is completely forgettable, 2 is awful
They are blinded by Guardians, Peacemaker, and the newest Suicide Squad, which were all within his wheelhouse. Superman and most of the DC Universe is outside of his wheelhouse and it’s mind boggling the amount of trust that has been invested into him doing something completely different from what he specializes in.
@@brooklyngemini3410 No, they were not. They ruined the cosmic side of the MCU.
He's a glorified pdf file..
“None of this sounds great”?? Superman inspires his fellow heroes to not kill, a Superman clone goes rogue thus becoming bizarro and Luthor gets away in the end. Sounds like Superman.
I don't know why people are baffled. Anyone familiar with Gunn knows he was a bad choice. He's an irreverent person and Clark is the opposites of that. Kal El was raised by John and Martha with middle America values. Those values have respect at their core. Irreverent people can't accurately adapt that.
Plus, Gunn has said before that he prefers adapting lesser known characters because it frees him up to do more of what he likes. The day WB hired him was the day they put DC live actions movies 6 feet under. They were on life support as it is, this was their last chance. They won't get another for a while after this reboot universe fails.
how is James going a bad choice have you even seen any of his movies because people also praise them as well so what you say has a huge pothole in it besides you really don't know if the universe is going to fail only time will tell but I can straight up tell you James Gunn's representation is amazingly well good
Can't be worse than the dead snydermess though
@@sidoGold1980exactly!!
@@animezilla4486 Did you read what the comment said? Gunn likes developing lesser known characters cause he can do whatever...supes isn't a lesser known character and he can't just do whatever he wants...his films are entertaining to people BUT that doesn't mean he right for this...that said, no one really knows how it will all do BUT I do agree if this fails, this gonna be pretty bad for them...that said, they could still continue with The Batman...a LOT of people liked that the few were the ones who complained...and that was during pandemic times when some folks in certain places couldn't move around as freely.
James Gunn is proving that he is not the individual who should be running DC comics. He already trying to add far too much far too fast.
Disagree with that he is the best choice considering he's a massive comic book lover
@@animezilla4486 A massive comic book fan should know better than attempt to make yet another justice league with the first movie of the reboot.
@@uss_cushingthis sound’s something like captain America civil war. Superman on the run and trying to escape the government and it’s hero’s who agree with them.
@@ZanderHanna If this was solely a Superman movie I wouldn’t mind. However James has added so many superheroes into a superhero movie that I feel like once again I have to do a metric ton of homework to understand what’s going on. That fact alone already has me questioning James Gunn’s leadership regarding this reboot.
@@uss_cushing Yup...they rushing justice league again...or rather they trying to use superman as a jumpoff for all the side characters in his universe, i think is what is going on...
Uuuugh.... Once again, James Gunn fails to impress. Seriously, the more I hear about the rebooted DC film Universe the less enthusiastic I become. 😑
they got wrong person to do superman, i knew this wasn't going to be good
Me too
Fails ones again?!? Did you not see the guardians movies, the suicide squad, or the peacemaker tv show?!? Stop boohooing about Zach Snyder dog shit vision being scrapped and give this time to develop.
@@nathanlovins4121TSS sucked. GoG3 sucked. Idk what u rambling about
@@LuisCabreraLCBJJliterally said by no one ever but you 😂 GOTG 3 does not suck one bit it literally was one of the best films in MCU in a long time gooofy.
Amazing Spider-Man 2 vibes. Bloated movie trying too hard to tease future movies. Warner Brothers can’t help themselves, they don’t want to be patient and just make good stories, they want to rush a franchise to the billion dollar mark.
Bingo!
@xeofang no, I meant Amazing Spider-man 2.
I stopped caring when it became clear the studios didn't care either.
Why watch videos about it then,seems redundant
@@Generalindifference The shitshow is more entertaining then the Studio spin. QED
@@bradsmoviesbut still that doesn't mean the movie is going to be bad
@@animezilla4486 Superman in handcuffs again? Sure. I'll wait.
“Not a Tianna’s Bayou Adventure leak” 🤣🤣🤣
I like the no-kill rule w/Superman. For me, the biggest disappointment in Man of Steel was Snyder forcing Supes to break his no-kill rule in the first movie.
I think this movie plot has great potential, except for one thing, they are totally setting up Lex Luther as a Trump parody. And that will ruin the entire movie for me. I'm still waiting for LL to be done right in live action, not done wrong in a new way.
I had a much bigger issue with Clark letting Jonathan die than killing Zod, myself. If they'd followed up with killing Zod at all with Clark carrying the guilt of what he had to do, it might have been interesting, but they never did anything with it in a sequel. Even in Man of Steel, it wasn't really given any weight as the very next scene is Superman destroying the drone and the "I just think he's kinda hot" gag. They needed one more scene of Superman and Lois coming out of the station to reflect on both Zod's death and the destruction in Metropolis imo. Didn't have to be much, but just something to give that stuff a little more emotional weight instead of the jarring cut to the destroyed drone scene.
@@ChuckM0503 I agree in all points.
That's such a dumb thing to really say Because Superman never had no kill rule Yes he will save people but if he has to he will kill the save people and have you not ready to become book he has killed villains and creatures to save people's lives You know what I'm saying but it's only at last resort the whole point of the Snyder thing is that this is Superman first time fighting something that he can't just easily stop That was the lesson the lesson was learned that killing and knowing when to kill and when to be ready to save people and went to sacrifice everybody keeps ignoring the complexities of what Superman is because everybody wants him to be already Superman That's not how that works Superman then just started out as Superman if you read original Superman stuff Superman was a jerk honestly before he was turned into the big blue Boy scout everybody love so much You know what I'm saying There are levels to these characters and it just seems like everybody is stuck in one person's performance of a character that they can never see past that performance You have to look past what you known to see Christopher Reeve Superman as or just sea Superman in general because most people who say this don't even read Superman comic books but they love Superman but they only watch the Christopher Reed movies in the DC animated Superman so you wouldn't know how he evolved and changed you know
I'm against the no-kill rule because it makes no sense in Superman's line of work and it makes him out to be selfish and childish. What's more important to him, protecting innocent lives in immediate, catastrophic danger or feeling good about his moral self-image? A Superman who cares more about feeling good about himself is no hero at all. A Superman who does what's necessary to protect the innocent, even if he feels remorse and regret over it, is a hero I would respect and look up to.
@@sasquatchandme3673I get what you're saying but the one thing I disagree with you about is that you think Lex becoming president has anything to do with Donald Trump not everything has to be related to him besides this ain't the first time lex has become president he was that way in the comics, the cartoons and the animated DC movies
no thanks, I prefer superman rescuing cats from trees and saving the day
"Truth, Justice and the AMERICAN way".. so what if it's "dated" that is the motto l grew up with, as an AUSSIE.
Man of steels Henry cavil wasn't that
Yeah you're definitely gonna make a successful movie by having Superman just do mundane things for the whole runtime. This superman is going to be very happy and actually be a symbol of hope.
@@mulanomula Derp. Try again.
@@mulanomulaworked for Christopher reeves
James Gunn James Gunning up Superman. Called it.
I don't understand why people are shocked; James Gunn Said his favorite Batman movie was the one with George Clooney! That should tell u where he is going with Superman, Straight Campy
Well. At least the flash’s Batman had some cool moments in the movie
@@ZanderHanna I didn't watch that movie
Did i hear WDWPro say that he would put Dean Caines portrayal of Superman better than Christopher Reeves who is THE ONE AND ONLY,truly original authentic and comic book accurate version of the man of steel.
Superman doesn't even sound like the protagonist in his own movie based on the leak
fake leak done by snydercult
@@y3ee3e You DO know you have people who don't care for Gunn outside of the Snyder folks, right?
Pro is on drugs if he thinks Dean Cain was good. Don't get me wrong,, I liked him on Lois and Clark,
but he is the worst actor of all Superman actors--it's not even close.
Costume looks like trash
Post production will fix it ffs what we see is the suit made for David to move around in
@@willjohnboyfunny how these days everyone wants to shit all over something before even seeing it ,people are so negative now
@Generalindifference We live in a depressing and crappy world that the last 4 years have done nothing but highlight. It's more a reflection of where society and the world are than anything else.
@@willjohnboy sounds like a big old waste of money having to go in and fix the suit digitally. every other superman suit has had the actors movability be just fine , even the nicolas cage one seem to have great movability while looking great
@TwistedReality13 spot on,last few years really brought out the crazy
Gunn's a hack that got lucky with the first Guardians.
I disagree about him being a hack - he made other great movies like Dawn of The Dead, his worst movies are mediocre yet still better than real hacks like JarJar Abrams, but agree with your sentiment that he's not going to do DC characters any justice whatsoever
Guardians came out when the MCU was doing well.
@@julesknight1511 Snyder made Dawn of the Dead, not Gunn....
@@empathyedits8809 he was the writer of the movie - we've seen from Snyders recent movies he doesn't know how to write worth a damn
@@empathyedits8809 Gunn wrote it, we've seen from his Rebel Moon movies he cant write worth a damn
It's going to be hilarious if/when people are going to be saying MCU Sentry acts more like Superman than Superman.
The Authority, just that by itself, is enough to reject this whole new cinematic universe!
I read first few authority trades back in the day. Was alright. I wouldnt start my cinematic universe with it before the justice league.
No one gave 2 💩's about Guardians of the Galaxy until the movie was made.
That movie made a crappy comic book team super popular.
Wait till ya see it to hate it.
@@CordellPottsno. Fake nerd alert. Dan Abbnet redid the Guardians and made them awesome then James Gunn made the tard movie version and ruined the comics because they started copying the stupid movies.
@@CordellPottsSomebody’s forgetting the fact that any film in Guardian’s position would’ve done well due to Marvel being a successful brand at the time. DC doesn’t have that.
@@thewatchman13 Nope. It doesn't matter what position Marvel was in. That didn't save Thor The Dark World or Dr Strange 2, even though those movies came out when everyone thought Marvel could do no wrong too. Even if it did do well with fans, doesn't mean it _had_ to do well with critics either. Stop hating and wait.
I’m not optimistic about this movie. There are way too many ideas at play in this leaked script and it will be a CF.
What is that the final version of the script that's the question
This sounds......boring. It sounds insular, self-involved, and hollow. No thanks.
It sounds like your comments
I still don't get why they gave him the 500 million gig at DC.
"Allegedly" being the key word here, fellas. Doesn't mean it's true.
I cannot fathom the sheer incapability Hollywood’s when it comes to Superman.
2021 : James Gunn says; "I don't want to make a Superman movie".
2024 : James Gunn keeps his promise.
Meh, I'll reserve judgement until I see it, people hated Micheal Keaton being cast as Batman.
Fax
Actor and actress casting has always been volatile conversations.... But GENERALLY the story can carry or the portrayal can even be great.... The problem with dc is the stories and dialogue have been fing terrible. No matter who you cast, if the role is garbo.... The entire project becomes a dumpster fire
I remember that. People complained he was too short, etc. Now people see him as “the” Batman.
@@Taxguy99 he was a drama actor with zero action experience, and i think that particular film was an adaption no one knew what was going to come of it. was it going to be serious or corny... and picking an actor with his history confused the f out of people... it just happened to work well. great directing, great script, and well performed.
@@Taxguy99 No they complained he was in nothing but comedies before and claimed he wasnt a good enough actor to pull it off.
Chuck Norris vs Superman!
I found some of this discussion interesting until you said Dean Cain was the best Superman. You've got to be kidding??!
*James Gunn has said he is bring back, "Truth, Justice, & the American Way!"*
If James Gunn does this he'll have my respect ... but doesn't mean this movie wil be good.
James Gunn - creepy
James Gunn's plan for Superman in modern day is to have people around him consider Superman --THE MOST POWERFUL HERO IN DC COMICS...to be a dork that no one takes seriously. So these are the choices that Hollywood gives Superman fans: MAN OF STEEL where Superman is portrayed as an EMO outcast who doesn't know if humanity is worth saving or not...or SUPERMAN LEGACY where he's portrayed as an out of touch dork that people criticize or snicker at behind his back. HOLLYWOOD IS RUN BY SATANISTS. PERIOD.
What are you talking about lol
I like the idea of Luthor being an evil Tony Stark. Have him being a weapons manufacter as well as a profiteer.
But aside from that, if that's really the plot then it's weak AF.
Will say it again. Gunn does quirky. Superman is not quirky.
Chris Pratt would make a very good Booster Gold.
This movie will make almost as much as the average lemonade stand. The character is no longer culturally relevant and associated with failure and bad movies.
Have you seen pictures of Christopher Reeve’s son lately? He looks more like Superman than his dad did. I wonder why they never considered using him in the role?
He might not be able to act...he does look good, looks like his father, but yea he might not have the acting chops. But that would be amazing to announce Chris Reeves son as Superman in a new movie, that would be good hype
@@robbieracer3294Reeves probably didn't want his son in Hollywood
William Reeve is 44 years old (and I think is the one you're talking about) and Matthew Reeve is 32 and doesn't look very much like Superman. If it's the former, I think age is definitely a factor even if he has wanted to be considered. He'd be in his mid-50's by the time a third movie was being filmed.
Stop catastrophizing, guys. Don't let people on the internet ruin the story for you. Watch it in cinemas and decide for yourself.
I think Gunn has a capacity to be anti Hollywood agenda and pro traditional Superman while not having to deconstruct Superman.
Ultimately Man Of Steel is a deconstructed Superman, just maybe not a liberal deconstructed Superman traditionally associated with deconstructive art, but nonetheless deconstructed.
Not every Superhero is compatible with that. Batman is because he's a psychological character. It's not that Zack tried to make Superman dark. It's that he did deconstructive stuff with him that's not necessary.
I think Gunn is anti deconstruction. And could do a great job as a result.
That's exactly my feeling too. I mean, when I think about PEACEMAKER, omg that show was both corny and hokey but also genuine and unironically patriotic. James Gunn can give us characters that are self-aware of how anachronistic they seem and somehow that makes them aspirational.
BTW: Bizarro FTW! I cannot imagine a more perfect vehicle for James Gunn's special type of ridiculous but truly wrenching characters....laughable and tragic, hilarious and heart breaking. I am sort of expecting for the Bizarro arch to end up stealing the entire movie.
Yeah. Where is Peacemaker S2?? Superman: no killing, Batman: no guns. These were confused and conflated by the Nolan films.
Let me guess I was right that all the times Gunn said it wasn’t an origin story
It is actually an origin story
Man of Steel was a great superman film
It was good, not great..
Iron man was great!
One of the big issues is that these IPs have an entrenched legacy and fan base, so the stakes are always automatically high. Previous story tellers were building the legacy and there was less attention and focus on these characters and stories, so the stakes weren't as high. Doing the same now, is seen as careless and offensive to fans.
Gunn is taking a page from Kingdom Come, which came out at a time heroes were edgy and had no issues killing villains. Considering the amount of people Batman, Ironman, Captain America, and Thor have killed in their movies, this is likely a critique of that. Superman as well killed Zod.
Growing up, what made Wolverine such a great character was him resisting killing people. The Punisher and Vigilante killed people, but they weren’t heroes. They were villains.
You either die a laughinstock that can't do SUPERMAN right, or live long enough to see yourself become the next Sony.
Because of how much of a mess WBD and DC is in, i am just happy I have films like Man of Steel, BVS, and Zack Snyder's JL. Zack Snyder and Henry Cavill rejuvenated Superman and found a new generation of superman fans that Christopher Reeve couldn't do
This is exactly what people hated about the snyder universe
This story sound like what people want the Boy Scout, not the Snyder version where it was too dark. Which I loved Man of Steel was great
I actually think the huge amount of history of this character makes it hard to do a new Superman movie, as his enemies are so well known that its hard to rewrite one of them to be interesting in a movie. Also, superman is so powerful that they have to somewhat lower the stakes, so the special effects don't drive the movie to unprofitability.
This is obviously fake. Surprised people believe it.
This sounds like the original Superman comics by Siegal and Shuster were he was hated by authorities and had a bad reputation.
But that seminal Superman is NOT the iconic one. This people really didn't even know what are they doing.
@@DanyTV79 Who gives a shit?
No it doesn't. Superman was never "hated by the authorities" in the '30s. He went AFTER corrupt politicians and corporate powerholds. There aren't any scenes of Police or anyone else "hating" Superman. He just fought the system. Now, they had them "hating" him when Grant Morrison tried to redo the 30's concept again in the 2000's. But, no, this has no connection to the Shuster/Siegel character. Facts.
How about we watch the movie and then form opinions? I have complete faith in James. He's an amazing writer and an even better director. The emasculation angle is such a completely horrible take, dude. Face it, this movie will be good.
Every single bad thing anyone says about this… was said about every single bad thing said about leaks they now love. Calm down.
I was appalled at the leaked set photo of Superman kissing another man on the lips.🤦🏻♂️
We all know about the abrupt comic book series cancellation with the Superman kissing his boyfriend on the lips, because it outraged potential customers, didn’t sell, and thus disappeared like Jimmy Hoffa.
It does sound like a lot for one
movie, but the plot elements themselves aren't bad. Superman v Bizarro is a good big screen match up.
This plot line is straight out of a late 80’s/ early 90’s Superman comic book series… James Gunn understands superman… read the comics!!!
Gunn should have thought way out of the box while staying inside it at the same time
I don’t understand the reasoning about how it “emasculates” Superman.
If he’s standing up for his ideals in the face of opposition then that’s incredibly masculine because it takes courage to do so all by itself let alone being challenged.
This will depend entirely on how it’s executed. The plot is very thin on substance so there’s lots of room for James Gunn to get us emotionally invested. He’s shown is ability to do that. The Rat Catcher father daughter arc was excellent in suicide squad and he had to operate with VERY limited screen time.
Keep the 1930-50’s Midwest values and have Superman face off against Braniac. Done.
This sounds fine. This sounds like the plot of 1980’s-90’s DC. It introduces bizzarro and luthor as set ups. Jesus Christ. The plot with luthor is straight out of the books.
Bizarro is too.
Superman not killing in a world of killers works.
I’m not sure how this shit is emasculating? Super man is going against the world and taking the Christian high road by not killing?
4:09 Ok I like the fact that Supes has a stance and inspires heros to be moral but it sounds like Gunn's cramming 5 movies into one. JSA, the authority, Supergirl, Lex and Bizzaro?
He’s not getting a sex change, is he? It can’t be that bad.
James Gunn ain’t gonna fix this
Seems like Pratt has found another come-back to endorse.
Don’t really see how you can make a real Super Man in today’s Hollywood
10:41 Sorry, Superman will be gay.
I do not subscribe to the postmodernist idea that Superman is boring,. The writers are boring if they can't write a good story about or around him with his morals and motto in tact. They just think all that is good and ...ahem... white is 'pale and stale'. You actually need a moral center to write a moral character.
They should have went with the Rocks plan
A superman vs The elite was the Only thing we needed for a Live action superman movie.
Pro I normally consider you a smart guy but other than supporting the garbage that is Rippaverse the stupidest thing you’ve ever said is Dean Kane over Christopher Reeve
Sounds like the whole purpose is to bring in Supergirl and have her save the day because she’s the “bestest ever stronger female”
so what was in the script?
What is so hard about staying true to the source material?! It would be an automatic hit! Hollywood destroys everything
Dune 2?
Did you guys ever watch Smallville? I think their version of Lex was truly the best??
"throwing shade but ..."
You're throwing shade before seeing the finished product based on rumor and theory.
This channel is allowed to speculate even if it’s in a negative light. This is not a hard concept to grasp
not a single person on your panel had anything relevant or of value to say
Superman is the most quintessentially heroic superhero, basically a superpowered boy scout. He represents traditional moral values and is a good role model. In other words, he is everything that Hollywood hates. There is no way he'll be represented faithfully and with respect on screen. I'll stick with the first two Christopher Reeve films. I like Henry Cavill as an actor, but his Superman was too dark. I haven't seen Dean Cain.
Huge Hercules was the first superhero, not Superman.
You said he started it all.
8:11 professional just means you get payed for it.... By that logic i once dated a professional girlfriend.
I believe you meant skilled or quality weighting.
As a lifelong superman fan, I can only hope that this will in fact all pan out, and that we will get a great film.
There might be an issue with Ultraman. There's a live scifi-action serries from Japan called Ultraman. So the name might need to be altered for foreign markets to avoid trademark disputes. Otherwise the whole clone thing is probably the only way to introduce modern Bizarro. The no kill rule only makes sense as a means to keep governments from freaking out over superman (cause they can't stop him). Killing would only make people more paranoid and fearfull about Superman. Although I'm pretty sure that was more of a mandated comics code than a rule of conduct. So no hero was ever out to kill. Even if they did nobody ever dies and stays dead in the comics. It almost feels like they are cramming to many plot threads from the late 90's~2010 into a reboot. That was my problem with the Green Lantern.
This sounds fire to me