I shut down Warren Mcgrew
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Warren Mcgrew aka the Idol Worshipper absolutely whiffs on Acts 13:48. He goes on JP sliced and diced, I mean @JPuncut page and attempts to correct me and face plants. Brother, this isn't hermeneutics. You can't read in whatever you want. The verb is passive for a reason. For more on this please check out @AominOrg. Steve Gregg made the same silly argument and James White slapped it down like 10 years ago. How bout that Hot Pocket Theology?! Warren McWHO?!
No. As we discussed in the comment section on another video...
You’re operating as though its unanimously agreed that the term here is Passive, but that’s a mistake. The form of the participle is used for BOTH the middle and passive voice, so context is what determines the intended meaning.
Acts 13:46 “…Since you repudiate it and 👉consider yourselves unworthy 👈of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles…” Given this, the phrase in Acts 13:48 should be understood to follow the same use, meaning “as many as believed had set themselves for eternal life”
I said that lexically it can be middle or passive. However, it is only translated as a middle if a reflexive pronoun follows. That is clearly seen in verse 46 where a reflexive pronoun follows Krino. Hence, the context has determined that it is a passive which a large majority of conservative translations indicate. With respect, I believe that your attempt to draw a parallel from verse 46 down to 48 doesn't hold in light of the absence of the reflexive pronoun. 1 Corinthians 16:15 is the only example of anyone appointing themselves to anything in Scripture and there is a reflexive pronoun in that passage. Therefore, I conclude that my response is valid.
The funny thing about "idol killer" name is that he's became a idol to people like JP. Great work!
Yea, I call him "Idol Worshipper."
If they appointed themselves, it would say they appointed themselves. You would think Mr. Magoo would know better.
Right. The guy is well educated. I couldn't believe he made that statement.
@@TwitchyThelogian I can
I sometimes feel like it is pure dishonesty bc I think he knows Greek.
@@TwitchyThelogian he doesn’t know Greek. He might know a couple words or how to look up a word.
It’s called a liar. It’s OK to say it. He’s not my brother.
I would go so far as to say if you don’t call him a liar then you’re sinning. And if you call him your brother, then you might be sinning also.
@@aletheia8054 I agree! Same for JP, his debate was basically saying we're not brothers in Christ! To which I agree, so we should treat them as such.
Hey Twitchy Theologian now I'm not Calvinist nor Armenian. I don't hold to either one of those views. I'm kinda in the middle. But I'm a bit confused. Is the purpose of this verse to show unconditional election? If so, I don't really see how Calvinist see it in the verse based on the context of Acts 13. Now I do agree that it was God who "ordained" or "appointed" them. So I don't agree with Warren on this one. What you're saying is correct. That's very clear. Because the verse doesn't say who ordained them. All we know is they were ordained. The best explanation for this is probably God. But for me it makes sense why they were appointed. Because of the hardened hearts of the Jews. God appointed them the Gentiles because the Jews refused to believe the message. Which is not surprising since they've been doing that for years now. Now I have no problem with God "appointing" a group of people for salvation. God can do what he wants. His God. But I just don't see what it Calvinist see in Acts 13:48. Please let me know if you get what I'm staying.
I do understand what you are saying. This is one of the few responses to the Calvinist argument that makes any sense. So, kudos for that. However, I would push back and say that all who were appointed believed. So, are you saying that all of the gentiles there who heard the message used their free will to believe? That seems like a bigger miracle to me because of their depraved hearts. Also, I would be careful saying that God appointed a group since the result is belief. Or so it seems. We understand this text to be individuals partially because of our understanding of Ephesians 1:4 and 2 Timothy 1:9. In context though, we see that Individuals believe therefore individuals ought to be the ones appointed. I would also be careful in saying that God ordained the gentiles to eternal life simply because the Jews refused. We know that was God's plan prior to that as other texts indicate. I appreciate your willingness to talk about this though. Please feel free to email me at J.duckworth20@Fruitland.edu. I would like to discuss this more but I don't get on YT everyday and I am afraid that I will miss your response. God bless you brother
We already know when they were appointed ,we see it in Roman's 8:29 and Eph 1:4-5 and Roman's 9-23
amen
I agree with election in the context :)
Me too :)
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Murked him 😂
You do realize if Paul is a false apostle (which he is) your entire system of theology crumbles, right? Paul and Christ taught completely different gospels systems of salvation and there is no way to reconcile or harmonize them. Christ taught works salvation; Paul taught faith alone (among other things). Time to wake up and join the movement to rid Christianity of the Pauline corruption.
I would be more than happy to debate you on this because I can prove that what you just said simply isn't true.
@TwitchyThelogian debate which point? That Paul was a false apostle or that Paul and Jesus taught different systems of salvation?