It's highways man. A 250 or 300 would be dangerous where I live. They're super fun in town or back roads bikes though. I've spent a chunk of change on a zx-4rr and taking weight off it and I would not buy a larger sport bike. It's just too much fun to wring it out.
Same reason 30 to 40 years ago. Dealers can charge more money for bigger bikes. It's the reason the CBR600 was so popular. It was the ultimate jack of all trades. One bike to do everything. Knowing what I know now, I wish I kept my 1996 Honda CBR600F3.
The bloat has to do with nonsense emission standards. Make a bigger bike (or vehicle) and emissions standards are more lenient. Consequently, manufacturers make bigger, more nerfed engines to appease government requirements. Ultimately, it just results in more expensive, higher overall polluting vehicles. This is 100% because of ridiculous regulations.
Because the bigger it is, the funner it is. This is a myth that pervades all motorsports: when what you have gets boring, clearly the only way to make it fun/exciting again is to get a bigger one. But it turns out the opposite is true in most cases - the bigger one is actually less fun for all the obvious reasons. And 99 times out of 100, the victim of the myth ends up wishing he hadn't sold the old one. Frequently he or she starts going the other way, and downsizes back to the original, smaller bike or one like it. I saw and experienced this in aviation back when I was flying, and as far as I can tell, everything a person can sit in or on that has an engine in it is afflicted by this phenomenon. Strange but true.....
I ended up with a 1077cc V4. I have fond memories of my Ninja 650, Street Triple 675R, and VTR1000F. Not a hint of a regret yet, the excess makes me laugh. I sorely miss riding my Tuono, but I don't wanna ruin it on our salty roads
Yeah, also I suspect that a lot of people feel emotionally insecure about themselves, so a bigger bike / truck / whatever makes them feel a little better for a little while.
I get it, but I hope you're joking or stupidly rich. You're talking about a professional level bike at a premium cost as a newb. That's like having a Dodge Viper as your first car.
You're likely going to scare the shit out of yourself on that thing. Be careful, I really would suggest learning on something a little bit lighter and with less of a chance to fuck you up if you give it a little too much gas lol. At the very least for the first week or two lol, cause you're gonna be white-knuckling it for the first couple days.
@@nonyabusiness4151 I am being serious. I have read around the internet looking at multiple peoples perspectives on starting on this bike and its a 60/40 saying its not a great idea. the reason I want one is because I dont want to have to purchase 2 bikes within a few years going from a 400 up to the 636 when i can just take it slow and learn on it myself. Im not in my early 20s anymore and I am confident in myself to not kill myself. I will start the first year taking it slow and actually learning.
its for torque issue and emisions get power for street .. thats why big CC- no one want to rev the thing for power want instint TORQUE ! thats the secret sauce....
Beginner rider here trying to get his first bike for this spring, and I'm actively looking at used 250s because I don't need or want more at this point in my journey
While displacement grows larger, the overall dimensions of most onroad motorcycles keep getting smaller in the name of being compact and it really frustrates me. Also I hate with passion how today's motorcycles' rearframe/tail section has shrunken in size to a freakish level. It was cool when Buel first came up with the design in 2000s, now it's just annoying and ugly.
Yep, the ergonomics are smaller! This is a concern for people like me, at 6'5" tall. About the only bike I can ride for more than 20 minutes without discomfort is a BMW GS with a raised seat.
@@dporcella100 yeah the GS is HUGE compared to other sport bikes. i feel bad for you tall fellows, im 5"11 and my bike is just perrfect with a taller seat and adjustable rear sets. the crrazy thing is i rreally need a 600cc bike or larrger to really FIT on a sporrt bike comforratbly. my 450ss is the sweet spot , the ninja 400 and R3 was toooo small
Personally, I always choose handling first before power when doing a test ride and adjust my choice for the power/engine cc I need to overtake with ease, the car drivers who are blind or want to drag.
My answer to the title of the video? Because they can and it’s cool AF. I say this time and time gain, if we were talking about cars nobody gives a sh*t or tries to justify triple/quad turbos and souped up engines. Bikers are just like car guys we like our toys as much as car guys like theirs.
I would have never thought that emissions regulations, while certainly not the only factor, play a role in bikes getting bigger, that's quite interesting! I also ended up with a way bigger bike than i orignally intended for a variety of factors, but also because the modern lineups for middle weight bikes simply seem to be bigger than they used to. I'm still very happy with what I ended up with though. :)
I started on a street triple - IMO the learning curve was indeed very steep but I’m also just not a very well coordinated guy and everyone is different. 7 years later I still have that bike and it’s a lot of fun in fact that’s the one I typically ride unless I feel like I want all the comfort and features of my liter bike. Practice and always keep learning/improving!
@@nomsi4263 Yes. Yammie made a lot of explanations about this "It's no problem to have a sharp powerful bike as a beginner" claim. Glad to have advanced from 34 to 72 to 106 to 115 to 175hp over the last 10 years!
My 2003 Triumph Sprint ST is 955 cc's and has taken me all over the West, often 2-up. It is perfectly fine. My (new to me) 2009 BMW K1300S is a MONSTER highway burner. Still, I ride it frequently around town on errands, etc. as well as curvy mountain roads. It depends on what you get used to. I'm 74 and have ridden since1965 when a CB-350 was considered a big bike and a TR-6 or BSA Lightning was way too much bike for anyone but an expert. I rode a CB-160 from Price, Utah to L.A. in two days when I was 17. Get a bike . . . ride it.
Traditionally, the problem has been that to get the premium features, best suspension, etc, you had to look to the biggest bikes as the middle weights and down usually suffered cost cutting measures so they could sold on price point.
It's almost crazy how much perspective shifts in the US.euro riders who work through the license system here. Entry level is 125, mid is 300-600 ish and anything over that us crazy. Like to even ride an R6 you need the full A license. Would be nice id you'd cover this system and some bike recommendations for it!
If I were 20, I would want an RSV4 or Panigale. I would likely be dead or worse in two years. At 40, my VFR is more than enough to kill me, and it can go from 0-go to jail in less than 10 seconds. I seriously doubt I will ever go for a faster bike.
@simonb6982 That's the idea, unless we go out together. Ideally, she will be a museum quality when I'm 80 and looking for a son worthy of inheriting her. I'd wager those VFRs will be gold one day unless Honda brings back the 90s.
It's far more about increasing pricing and of course emissions than it is about any other consideration. Everyone needs growth....but don't die on these bikes with 100+ HP. Back in the day I had a Suzuki GS550ES and was both fast and sounded incredible. (didn't know what i had), gave it away for $500 with 2k miles on it. But thing only cost $3600 new in 1986. Those were indeed great times.
I’d like to see a vid about the crazy post-COVID slide in used motorcycle prices. I’m particularly interested in the lower end of the market where fully depreciated bikes dwell. There is a sweet spot where you can buy a bike, bang around on it for a season or two, and then swap it for a different bike at the same money… essentially owning a succession of used bikes for free after the first one is bought with cash. The prices for bikes in this category have been SMASHED post-COVID. Are we in something of a golden moment, a valley of purchase opportunity that will be followed by an upward adjustment when prices spring back up?
@@michaelch6536 he hasn’t done a full video on it yet but he has shown some clips and talked about it in recent ones. I’ll go through and try and find it
My motorcycles I've had were 1981 Kawasaki kz 550, honda v65 saber, Suzuki gs 500, Yamaha fjr 1300. Longing for that KZ 550, it was the most fun bike,quick,fast and nimble. Got my eyes on a nostalgic return that first bike, Kawasaki Z900 RS seems to be tickling my adventure bone. Who's got one?
In my opinion 250 class bikes are a joke on American roads. Probably a good city bike kinda like a scooter would be. 400 is the sweet spot for a beginner bike here.
@illiteratej My 390 would gasp out at 107mph/172kmph with a ~160lbs rider. Might be more about how fast you get there, lol. Nice bike, though I've outgrown 400cc's
@mikemet1744 I bought an 82, GPZ 550 with a Kerker pipe on it. Just outside Ft Riley, when I was in service. (Infantry) I love the fact that back then it was one of the few mono shocked street bikes. Really love the living shit out of it!!!! But alas, I am, and always will be a, "Twostrokealcoholic" I didn't like being beat by Rd-400s in the canyons. Grew up in the Coachella Valley. Had some crazy combos.... like my 1981 Yamaha YZ-465, wlith a, 78 RD-400 motor in it, with modified Toomy's and electron carbs!!! 🤪😜👍 Highway 74, the road you see in a mad mad mad mad mad mad mad world in the beginning. That's my playground!!! 👣👍🇱🇷
Have you seen it in person with the lights running? Alot of people take back their words once they see it in person. It's polarising, imo that's a good thing, way better than the bug eyes by triumph 🤷.
Suzuki could have made the Generation 3 Hayabusa bigger in engine. Instead the engine was refined to smooth as silk, the steering geometry improved and electronic aids added. Finally it has a cruise control! The essence of the 'Busa hasn't changed: it'll still lengthen your arms if you're not careful. Sometimes bigger doesn't mean better.
Displacement ,Standard Tech, Warranty/Reliability was the big reason i got the cf moto 450ss vs a R3/ninja(Z) 500(really a stroked ninja 400) / Aprilia 457. Plus the gs tracking app from cf moto is a GOD SEND, i get notifications if my bike is touched moved etc and all of my riding data. NONE of the big 33 came close to matching the value i got for my 450ss plus i got her 1500 off msrp. Bikes are expensive right now, the money a month i spent on this bike compared to the other competition i couldve gotten a bigger bike used, but thats not what i wanted. i wanted the most power and tech in a beginner platform and the cf moto checked all the boxes and the 270 crank twin sounds fucking amazing.
I just bought a Panigale V2 because I was upset with the new one not having the single sided swing arm. I understand why they went to the new traditional swing arm (weight and power to weight ratio for the class) but is it a Ducati without the single sided swing arm? I suppose it is but it looks so much better with the single.
I have an RC390 W/ a 373cc Enjine. It Will break speed limits everywhere on the N. American continent, and always does...I'm waiting to trade on a Supereduke 1500 w/ 225 horsepower @ 290 lbs....You can factory upgrade to a COFFIN SHAPED FAIRING for the next phase of your moitorcycle journey!
Because the new bikes are electronically neutered (where the old analog bikes weren’t). The public is too stupid to realize they’re paying for all those CC’s and power but not getting it due to electronic detuning. The same is true for diesel trucks… they get a million foot pounds of torque now* (in 8th gear, when all the stars align from the if-this-then-that software algorithms).
If the new v2 had a desmo 800 instead of a more lame 950 or whatever it'd be way cooler. Also it doesn't use linkage in the rear suspension so that puts it inline with like a ninja 650.
Engines get bugger but manufacturers are more capable of reducing weight. There's only so much you can do with natural aspiration, they gotta up the displacement. Unlike cars which can put boost so much that 2.0 engines can make 450 horsepower.
I think the physical size of bikes should be getting bigger not just engine size most of the leader bikes have such a short wheelbase. I'm 6 foot six and I can't get anything that really fits. I make a gold wing looks small.
@@brianallen8752 sit on it first, it was my dream bike but the tank angles didnt play nice with my knees. I couldnt get a comfortable grip on the tank, but i am tall. That was my deal breaker
The 250 to 400 class should be revisited IMHO, Yeah, I’m gonna be hunting for a used Duck SR2, KTM LC2 Twin powered, or V-Twin like that soon, I found I enjoyed more low to mid end torque over RPMs.. Bike are letting too big, poor mileage, yet new rider competency may not match the beast capabilities, safety first, enjoy the grin in your helmet, smell the flower or pines ..😂 and please Slow down for Pete’s sake. 750 to 1200 is the magic number for me.
Idk; my katana could move. It was a fun bike when I had it. But I didn’t really need to cruise at 120. I now have an old f650, 1st and 2nd is fun but it’s pretty slow overall. I’m thinking an rs457 might be fun but I feel like it might be on par with the f650. Maybe if I had a new twin 650 it would be perfect. But I don’t have the money to spend 12k on a new bike. So I think overall, the markets probably in a good spot; with the exception of the cost. And the reality is cost is everything.
I think smaller displacement bikes (250ccm) goes away, because the licensing system of the EU and UK and many other states has changed. In the late 90's, the (nowadays called A1) not-bigger-than-125ccm-not-stronger-than-11kW appeared with the A "restricted" not-stronger-than-25kW category. Yes, there was age limit too. In those days, manufacturers has to have produce bikes for this categories. Years ago, the categories changed (in a good direction), the A "restricted" category disappeared and the A2 has cometh. It has 35kW limit, so you can drive "real" bikes with this license, be honest, the 25kW limit was a very disappointing one because the manufacturers can not produce good and exciting starter bikes The existed 500-600-650 ones with castration has price tags as the original, not neutered ones. The A1 was and nowadays are mainly the urban and suburban scooter riders license, manufacturers (except China and India) nearly not making exciting bikes for this category, just scooters. So I think this is (one) the reason, why starter bikes grow bigger. The bigger are better is the big bikes problem, it HAS to own all the power of the universe, and the torque has to cause rotate the Earth beneath them. Without the electric assistans, you can not give them a wide open throttle nearly nowhere (except racetrack maybe), without crashing them immediately. No problem, you have to pay for the assistants, so you can pump your ego higher, until on a really twisty road the local hooligans with a stock DR-Z400SM/KTM690Duke blow out your nose. Consequence? YOU NEED NEXT TIME A LOT MORE POWERFUL BIKE.
Screw the EPA. Nothing more than shills for lobbyists. Wash them out and leave it to the states that want that horse shit to protect their own pockets. Always wondering how much bigger an engine can get is what motorheads love. Bring back two smokes and ditch the cats
Excellent video Yam. Not enough creators bother to do a bit of analysis of the motorcycle industry as a whole and shed some light on its current state. Keep it up!
Its odd everyone is going bigger but i am like the only biker i know that made the choice to just go down i use to sit around 800cc range now i sit around the 5-600 range on bikes. I just want a nice bike that has good fuel economy and do not overly care about power much i do miss it a little if i am honest but its not a must have.
The market isn't there. Making a 250 is basically making it US exclusive as its only purpose would be 'murican beginner bike. Nobody outside US gets their A2 just to buy a 250cc.
To me is the vicious cycle of the industry creating and feeding on fetish. Vehicles in general have become absurdly expensive and full of gizmos that we don't really need nor use often. Getting a model without those is usually impossible. Some companies even tried to have AC and heated seats on a subscription model... Oh endless greed... After years with large CC bikes, I am currently considering downsizing to a Triumph Trident 660. That is capable to handle almost any real-world needs.
Guys I'm 27 and last time I owned a bike was 10 years ago in my country, but now I want take MSF course and get a Thruxton RS should I or it's not the right bike?
It wouldn't overwhelm you. But it would be very sad to drop it while parking it or something. Maybe get something like a Speed 400 to really get back into riding
It may not be so understandable to a socialist, but to rugged individualists, it's called "The Free Market". People want bigger bikes, so the market delivers. Thank you.
I think it is partly because with ecus instead carbs the manufacturers can just have a different map and make a "big" bike A1 or A2 compliant in the EU. This means that the same bike can grow with the rider. First it is an A1 bike, then A2 and then finally full power. Why get a 125cc when you can get 650cc and get A1 map on it. Also the average rider is getting older. Older riders don't want smaller bikes. It is ego thing mainly. But older riders also prefer torque which is hard to get out of small engine. Oolder riders also don't buy 600cc crotch rockets. Personally I don't mind bikes getting bigger. I like that torque. What I dislike is bikes getting uglier.
At least with A1, the engine size is strictly limited to 125 cc and 11 kW (~15 HP), so every A1 rider is kind of stuck riding a 125 cc. On the other hand the A2 has no restrictions on engine displacement, only power (35 kW, ~47 HP) and power-to-weight ratio (0.2 kW/kg). Detuning a more powerful motorcycle comes with some caveats as well, primarily that you cannot detune a bike that has over twice the amount of power that is permitted.. Other than EU emission regulations killing off smaller 4 cylinder bikes, I believe the licensing legislation is a lot more beneficial to new riders overall, having less chances of killing themselves getting a bike that was too powerful. I'm coming around to upgrading from A1 to A2 and I've been eyeing either a Husky 701 SM or a KTM 690 SMC (mainly down to the paintjob, as they are almost most exact copies of each other) as a restricted A2 bike, being stupidly light for it's displacement and being easily detuned due to the aforementioned ECU maps.
@@automobiili_xd6236 True about A1. Forgot it was cc limited. That being said The 2 cyls make great detuned A2 bikes because they still have that torque at lower rpms.
And to think, 30 years ago, it was.... 55hp. And 40 years ago, it was.... 45hp. And the traditional HD buyer shit all over the vrod, making 115hp from day 1 in 2002, because rapid improvement ruffles every feather of the beloved Creamin Seagull. HD has plot armor unmatched by any other company.
They say that you only need 100 to 120bhp for the road, and that 80bhp will get you to 60mph as fast as anything with 180bhp...and they would be right. But some people like coffee shops more than they like motorcycling.
I had a HD Ultra Classic, and got rid of it because I always felt like I was driving a Winnebago.
Can't believe the amount of ad's, boicot all ad's they should be paying the viewer.
It's highways man. A 250 or 300 would be dangerous where I live. They're super fun in town or back roads bikes though. I've spent a chunk of change on a zx-4rr and taking weight off it and I would not buy a larger sport bike. It's just too much fun to wring it out.
Same reason 30 to 40 years ago. Dealers can charge more money for bigger bikes. It's the reason the CBR600 was so popular. It was the ultimate jack of all trades. One bike to do everything. Knowing what I know now, I wish I kept my 1996 Honda CBR600F3.
Exactly. Like pickup trucks.
600 Hornet was probably a better allrounder for most.
GSXR 750 is my next bike, or maybe a Daytona 675 if I can find one for a good price.
The GSX-R is more successful in racing and more reliable and faster so I don't think you should listen to the triumph simps.
As a 675 lover, I think the old Daytona is overpriced. Would get a gixxer if you like inline-4s
750 is perfect, rode one for a long weekend in Santa Monica canyons, I still drool about it.
The bloat has to do with nonsense emission standards. Make a bigger bike (or vehicle) and emissions standards are more lenient. Consequently, manufacturers make bigger, more nerfed engines to appease government requirements. Ultimately, it just results in more expensive, higher overall polluting vehicles. This is 100% because of ridiculous regulations.
This is the same reason small trucks don't exist anymore, it's a shame
Basically, more power, more emission yet poor mileage...
Het yammie, love the vids and thank you so much for getting me into riding and motivating me to get my license.
Because the bigger it is, the funner it is. This is a myth that pervades all motorsports: when what you have gets boring, clearly the only way to make it fun/exciting again is to get a bigger one. But it turns out the opposite is true in most cases - the bigger one is actually less fun for all the obvious reasons. And 99 times out of 100, the victim of the myth ends up wishing he hadn't sold the old one. Frequently he or she starts going the other way, and downsizes back to the original, smaller bike or one like it.
I saw and experienced this in aviation back when I was flying, and as far as I can tell, everything a person can sit in or on that has an engine in it is afflicted by this phenomenon. Strange but true.....
I ended up with a 1077cc V4. I have fond memories of my Ninja 650, Street Triple 675R, and VTR1000F. Not a hint of a regret yet, the excess makes me laugh. I sorely miss riding my Tuono, but I don't wanna ruin it on our salty roads
Yeah, also I suspect that a lot of people feel emotionally insecure about themselves, so a bigger bike / truck / whatever makes them feel a little better for a little while.
There is more fun in light and zippy than big and heavy.
I ride a KLX450 for that exact reason.
Getting a 25 zx6r as a beginner rider next month wish me luck!
Congrats! Enjoy.
I get it, but I hope you're joking or stupidly rich.
You're talking about a professional level bike at a premium cost as a newb. That's like having a Dodge Viper as your first car.
You're likely going to scare the shit out of yourself on that thing. Be careful, I really would suggest learning on something a little bit lighter and with less of a chance to fuck you up if you give it a little too much gas lol. At the very least for the first week or two lol, cause you're gonna be white-knuckling it for the first couple days.
@@nonyabusiness4151 he just have to drive slow until he gets used to it
@@nonyabusiness4151 I am being serious. I have read around the internet looking at multiple peoples perspectives on starting on this bike and its a 60/40 saying its not a great idea. the reason I want one is because I dont want to have to purchase 2 bikes within a few years going from a 400 up to the 636 when i can just take it slow and learn on it myself. Im not in my early 20s anymore and I am confident in myself to not kill myself. I will start the first year taking it slow and actually learning.
Totally agree..simple, barebones motorcycle that people can afford to buy. 👍👍
All roads lead to KLR650.
its for torque issue and emisions get power for street .. thats why big CC- no one want to rev the thing for power want instint TORQUE ! thats the secret sauce....
Wendy's just announced a 9 patties burger.
Shedding weight to fit into my leathers in April again
My issues with the Moto influencers on TikTok, encouraging people not to wear gear and do stupid stuff
Beginner rider here trying to get his first bike for this spring, and I'm actively looking at used 250s because I don't need or want more at this point in my journey
While displacement grows larger, the overall dimensions of most onroad motorcycles keep getting smaller in the name of being compact and it really frustrates me. Also I hate with passion how today's motorcycles' rearframe/tail section has shrunken in size to a freakish level. It was cool when Buel first came up with the design in 2000s, now it's just annoying and ugly.
Yep, the ergonomics are smaller! This is a concern for people like me, at 6'5" tall. About the only bike I can ride for more than 20 minutes without discomfort is a BMW GS with a raised seat.
@@dporcella100 yeah the GS is HUGE compared to other sport bikes. i feel bad for you tall fellows, im 5"11 and my bike is just perrfect with a taller seat and adjustable rear sets. the crrazy thing is i rreally need a 600cc bike or larrger to really FIT on a sporrt bike comforratbly. my 450ss is the sweet spot , the ninja 400 and R3 was toooo small
Personally, I always choose handling first before power when doing a test ride and adjust my choice for the power/engine cc I need to overtake with ease, the car drivers who are blind or want to drag.
Yam, I got to say those tar snakes in your video scare the crap out of me, for the most part we don't see much of these in NewEngland nice video! .
My answer to the title of the video? Because they can and it’s cool AF. I say this time and time gain, if we were talking about cars nobody gives a sh*t or tries to justify triple/quad turbos and souped up engines. Bikers are just like car guys we like our toys as much as car guys like theirs.
I would have never thought that emissions regulations, while certainly not the only factor, play a role in bikes getting bigger, that's quite interesting! I also ended up with a way bigger bike than i orignally intended for a variety of factors, but also because the modern lineups for middle weight bikes simply seem to be bigger than they used to. I'm still very happy with what I ended up with though. :)
My dream first bike would be the Street Triple RS
dream bigger and get a turbo busa
Too big for a beginner
@Xenomorphic911 I know, but if it's gets me on two wheels. And I am careful is there really a problem
I started on a street triple - IMO the learning curve was indeed very steep but I’m also just not a very well coordinated guy and everyone is different. 7 years later I still have that bike and it’s a lot of fun in fact that’s the one I typically ride unless I feel like I want all the comfort and features of my liter bike. Practice and always keep learning/improving!
@@nomsi4263 Yes. Yammie made a lot of explanations about this "It's no problem to have a sharp powerful bike as a beginner" claim. Glad to have advanced from 34 to 72 to 106 to 115 to 175hp over the last 10 years!
what about BUSA ZX14 Concours 14 Fjr 1300 big bore ... market ? thats the perfect street weapon with comfy and sport/tourer type
Not ideal in the twisties.
My 2003 Triumph Sprint ST is 955 cc's and has taken me all over the West, often 2-up. It is perfectly fine. My (new to me) 2009 BMW K1300S is a MONSTER highway burner. Still, I ride it frequently around town on errands, etc. as well as curvy mountain roads. It depends on what you get used to. I'm 74 and have ridden since1965 when a CB-350 was considered a big bike and a TR-6 or BSA Lightning was way too much bike for anyone but an expert. I rode a CB-160 from Price, Utah to L.A. in two days when I was 17. Get a bike . . . ride it.
another thing... Bigger bike= bigger insurance bill
Traditionally, the problem has been that to get the premium features, best suspension, etc, you had to look to the biggest bikes as the middle weights and down usually suffered cost cutting measures so they could sold on price point.
My Main Complaint is that most new motorcycles look like a transformer that got stuck half way through changing....
New Duke and supermotos in 400cc are pretty damn fun and all you need on the street.
Nothing will beat the build quality and and feel of a 2014 Street triple r
Build quality was great, yes. I owned a 2016 one. But about the feel - dude, ever tried a Tuono V4 Factory?
It's almost crazy how much perspective shifts in the US.euro riders who work through the license system here. Entry level is 125, mid is 300-600 ish and anything over that us crazy. Like to even ride an R6 you need the full A license. Would be nice id you'd cover this system and some bike recommendations for it!
If I were 20, I would want an RSV4 or Panigale. I would likely be dead or worse in two years.
At 40, my VFR is more than enough to kill me, and it can go from 0-go to jail in less than 10 seconds.
I seriously doubt I will ever go for a faster bike.
Right on!
Just enjoy, buddy. The VFR will even possibly outlast you
@simonb6982 That's the idea, unless we go out together.
Ideally, she will be a museum quality when I'm 80 and looking for a son worthy of inheriting her.
I'd wager those VFRs will be gold one day unless Honda brings back the 90s.
Or worse?
It's far more about increasing pricing and of course emissions than it is about any other consideration. Everyone needs growth....but don't die on these bikes with 100+ HP. Back in the day I had a Suzuki GS550ES and was both fast and sounded incredible. (didn't know what i had), gave it away for $500 with 2k miles on it. But thing only cost $3600 new in 1986. Those were indeed great times.
Keep watching Yammienooooooooooooooob!
I’d like to see a vid about the crazy post-COVID slide in used motorcycle prices. I’m particularly interested in the lower end of the market where fully depreciated bikes dwell. There is a sweet spot where you can buy a bike, bang around on it for a season or two, and then swap it for a different bike at the same money… essentially owning a succession of used bikes for free after the first one is bought with cash. The prices for bikes in this category have been SMASHED post-COVID. Are we in something of a golden moment, a valley of purchase opportunity that will be followed by an upward adjustment when prices spring back up?
Yammie, get the Grom already
lol, bro he’s had the Grom now for a while! He’s been practicing his wheelies and everything!
@ video?
No one cares about a grom
@@michaelch6536 if no one cares why would he post it on RUclips for 2025 plans
@@michaelch6536 he hasn’t done a full video on it yet but he has shown some clips and talked about it in recent ones. I’ll go through and try and find it
My motorcycles I've had were 1981 Kawasaki kz 550, honda v65 saber, Suzuki gs 500, Yamaha fjr 1300. Longing for that KZ 550, it was the most fun bike,quick,fast and nimble. Got my eyes on a nostalgic return that first bike, Kawasaki Z900 RS seems to be tickling my adventure bone. Who's got one?
What happened to naked bikes, standard 650cc 8:38
Still up and running. MT07, SV650, Z640
The more choice we have the better, then everyone can have the size of bike that they want.
A lot of the customers are getting bigger too 😂
In my opinion 250 class bikes are a joke on American roads. Probably a good city bike kinda like a scooter would be. 400 is the sweet spot for a beginner bike here.
For a beginner whose lightweight.
@@nonyabusiness4151idk man my Svartpillen 401 will do 100mph with a 250lb rider
@illiteratej My 390 would gasp out at 107mph/172kmph with a ~160lbs rider.
Might be more about how fast you get there, lol.
Nice bike, though I've outgrown 400cc's
"NO REPLACEMENT,
FOR DISPLACEMENT"!!!
👣👍🇱🇷
(You forgot the GPZ 305 derelict)
I had a GPZ550 that was quicker than 750s back in the day.
@mikemet1744
I bought an 82, GPZ 550 with a Kerker pipe on it.
Just outside Ft Riley, when I was in service. (Infantry)
I love the fact that back then it was one of the few mono shocked street bikes.
Really love the living shit out of it!!!!
But alas, I am, and always will be a, "Twostrokealcoholic"
I didn't like being beat by Rd-400s in the canyons.
Grew up in the Coachella Valley. Had some crazy combos.... like my 1981 Yamaha YZ-465, wlith a, 78 RD-400 motor in it, with modified Toomy's and electron carbs!!! 🤪😜👍
Highway 74, the road you see in a mad mad mad mad mad mad mad world in the beginning.
That's my playground!!!
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The 1390 superduke might be the ugliest factory motorcycle I’ve ever seen.
Have you seen it in person with the lights running? Alot of people take back their words once they see it in person. It's polarising, imo that's a good thing, way better than the bug eyes by triumph 🤷.
Suzuki could have made the Generation 3 Hayabusa bigger in engine. Instead the engine was refined to smooth as silk, the steering geometry improved and electronic aids added. Finally it has a cruise control! The essence of the 'Busa hasn't changed: it'll still lengthen your arms if you're not careful.
Sometimes bigger doesn't mean better.
Yammie
Of topic, but would you talk about the return of Kawasaki's 2 stroke? Is there a streetbike 2 stroke coming?🙏
Emissions standards killed the 2 stroke.
Displacement ,Standard Tech, Warranty/Reliability was the big reason i got the cf moto 450ss vs a R3/ninja(Z) 500(really a stroked ninja 400) / Aprilia 457. Plus the gs tracking app from cf moto is a GOD SEND, i get notifications if my bike is touched moved etc and all of my riding data. NONE of the big 33 came close to matching the value i got for my 450ss plus i got her 1500 off msrp. Bikes are expensive right now, the money a month i spent on this bike compared to the other competition i couldve gotten a bigger bike used, but thats not what i wanted. i wanted the most power and tech in a beginner platform and the cf moto checked all the boxes and the 270 crank twin sounds fucking amazing.
Well, people are also getting bigger 🐽🐖🐷so there’s that.
😂 A hamburger on a moped?
motorcyles displacement is going up, while most cars trucks and suvs are downsizing their engines, makes no sense.
More power bebe
I just bought a Panigale V2 because I was upset with the new one not having the single sided swing arm. I understand why they went to the new traditional swing arm (weight and power to weight ratio for the class) but is it a Ducati without the single sided swing arm? I suppose it is but it looks so much better with the single.
V6 1800cc goldwing 💪
@Yammie, what type microphone is that? Is it supposed to be at a 90 degree angle to it when you speak into it?
I have an RC390 W/ a 373cc Enjine. It Will break speed limits everywhere on the N. American continent, and always does...I'm waiting to trade on a Supereduke 1500 w/ 225 horsepower @ 290 lbs....You can factory upgrade to a COFFIN SHAPED FAIRING for the next phase of your moitorcycle journey!
Because the new bikes are electronically neutered (where the old analog bikes weren’t). The public is too stupid to realize they’re paying for all those CC’s and power but not getting it due to electronic detuning. The same is true for diesel trucks… they get a million foot pounds of torque now* (in 8th gear, when all the stars align from the if-this-then-that software algorithms).
If the new v2 had a desmo 800 instead of a more lame 950 or whatever it'd be way cooler. Also it doesn't use linkage in the rear suspension so that puts it inline with like a ninja 650.
Engines get bugger but manufacturers are more capable of reducing weight. There's only so much you can do with natural aspiration, they gotta up the displacement. Unlike cars which can put boost so much that 2.0 engines can make 450 horsepower.
Simply put, no replacement for displacement.
I think the physical size of bikes should be getting bigger not just engine size most of the leader bikes have such a short wheelbase. I'm 6 foot six and I can't get anything that really fits. I make a gold wing looks small.
Yammie Im about to go order the Aprilia 2025 RS 660 on Feb 3rd is there any reason I shouldn't??
@@brianallen8752 sit on it first, it was my dream bike but the tank angles didnt play nice with my knees. I couldnt get a comfortable grip on the tank, but i am tall. That was my deal breaker
I have one, i do wheelies and rip it on twisties all day. 17k km and still no problem. But i am worried😂
I still want to test ride one so bad 😅
The 250 to 400 class should be revisited IMHO, Yeah, I’m gonna be hunting for a used Duck SR2, KTM LC2 Twin powered, or V-Twin like that soon, I found I enjoyed more low to mid end torque over RPMs.. Bike are letting too big, poor mileage, yet new rider competency may not match the beast capabilities, safety first, enjoy the grin in your helmet, smell the flower or pines ..😂 and please Slow down for Pete’s sake. 750 to 1200 is the magic number for me.
Idk; my katana could move. It was a fun bike when I had it. But I didn’t really need to cruise at 120.
I now have an old f650, 1st and 2nd is fun but it’s pretty slow overall.
I’m thinking an rs457 might be fun but I feel like it might be on par with the f650. Maybe if I had a new twin 650 it would be perfect. But I don’t have the money to spend 12k on a new bike.
So I think overall, the markets probably in a good spot; with the exception of the cost. And the reality is cost is everything.
5:33 😂
In the uk everyone is going to small capacity machines 350- 800
I think smaller displacement bikes (250ccm) goes away, because the licensing system of the EU and UK and many other states has changed. In the late 90's, the (nowadays called A1) not-bigger-than-125ccm-not-stronger-than-11kW appeared with the A "restricted" not-stronger-than-25kW category. Yes, there was age limit too. In those days, manufacturers has to have produce bikes for this categories. Years ago, the categories changed (in a good direction), the A "restricted" category disappeared and the A2 has cometh. It has 35kW limit, so you can drive "real" bikes with this license, be honest, the 25kW limit was a very disappointing one because the manufacturers can not produce good and exciting starter bikes The existed 500-600-650 ones with castration has price tags as the original, not neutered ones. The A1 was and nowadays are mainly the urban and suburban scooter riders license, manufacturers (except China and India) nearly not making exciting bikes for this category, just scooters.
So I think this is (one) the reason, why starter bikes grow bigger.
The bigger are better is the big bikes problem, it HAS to own all the power of the universe, and the torque has to cause rotate the Earth beneath them. Without the electric assistans, you can not give them a wide open throttle nearly nowhere (except racetrack maybe), without crashing them immediately. No problem, you have to pay for the assistants, so you can pump your ego higher, until on a really twisty road the local hooligans with a stock DR-Z400SM/KTM690Duke blow out your nose. Consequence? YOU NEED NEXT TIME A LOT MORE POWERFUL BIKE.
Screw the EPA. Nothing more than shills for lobbyists. Wash them out and leave it to the states that want that horse shit to protect their own pockets.
Always wondering how much bigger an engine can get is what motorheads love. Bring back two smokes and ditch the cats
V4s for me, 400cc to 750cc, would be ideal.
Excellent video Yam.
Not enough creators bother to do a bit of analysis of the motorcycle industry as a whole and shed some light on its current state. Keep it up!
ololol hhhh
You said it about 12 times already evolution my guy
Its odd everyone is going bigger but i am like the only biker i know that made the choice to just go down i use to sit around 800cc range now i sit around the 5-600 range on bikes. I just want a nice bike that has good fuel economy and do not overly care about power much i do miss it a little if i am honest but its not a must have.
Harleys have to have almost car size motors because they weigh half as much as a car does now a days. No sense in it.
Don't forget to factor in the fact the universe is expanding....something oft overlooked.
And my belly
More emissions means bigger engines to make thr same power.
The market isn't there. Making a 250 is basically making it US exclusive as its only purpose would be 'murican beginner bike.
Nobody outside US gets their A2 just to buy a 250cc.
It's the same reason trucks keep getting bigger.
Get a boss hoss!!!!
Looks like the new sport liters are gonna be 1500cc
Tuono V4 Euro 6 with 1500cc and 230hp would be even more ridiculous but possibly weighing 240kg
Yappy Dude
To me is the vicious cycle of the industry creating and feeding on fetish. Vehicles in general have become absurdly expensive and full of gizmos that we don't really need nor use often. Getting a model without those is usually impossible. Some companies even tried to have AC and heated seats on a subscription model... Oh endless greed... After years with large CC bikes, I am currently considering downsizing to a Triumph Trident 660. That is capable to handle almost any real-world needs.
But it's also the customers that are demanding the big numbers and dumb gizmos.
@@dgphi I have to disagree, as I commented. To me its is a similar tactics to what Apple uses on its products.
Ninja 500 is a death machine for a beginner...1-200cc enduro is a safe starting point.
Guys I'm 27 and last time I owned a bike was 10 years ago in my country, but now I want take MSF course and get a Thruxton RS should I or it's not the right bike?
It wouldn't overwhelm you. But it would be very sad to drop it while parking it or something. Maybe get something like a Speed 400 to really get back into riding
Why? Simple. They can charge you more money for bigger bike. Even when you do not need such a big bike, you have no choice.
We need bigger bikes with bigger engines because we riders have gotten big and fat and heavy.
It may not be so understandable to a socialist, but to rugged individualists, it's called "The Free Market". People want bigger bikes, so the market delivers. Thank you.
I think it is partly because with ecus instead carbs the manufacturers can just have a different map and make a "big" bike A1 or A2 compliant in the EU. This means that the same bike can grow with the rider. First it is an A1 bike, then A2 and then finally full power. Why get a 125cc when you can get 650cc and get A1 map on it.
Also the average rider is getting older. Older riders don't want smaller bikes. It is ego thing mainly. But older riders also prefer torque which is hard to get out of small engine. Oolder riders also don't buy 600cc crotch rockets.
Personally I don't mind bikes getting bigger. I like that torque. What I dislike is bikes getting uglier.
At least with A1, the engine size is strictly limited to 125 cc and 11 kW (~15 HP), so every A1 rider is kind of stuck riding a 125 cc. On the other hand the A2 has no restrictions on engine displacement, only power (35 kW, ~47 HP) and power-to-weight ratio (0.2 kW/kg). Detuning a more powerful motorcycle comes with some caveats as well, primarily that you cannot detune a bike that has over twice the amount of power that is permitted..
Other than EU emission regulations killing off smaller 4 cylinder bikes, I believe the licensing legislation is a lot more beneficial to new riders overall, having less chances of killing themselves getting a bike that was too powerful. I'm coming around to upgrading from A1 to A2 and I've been eyeing either a Husky 701 SM or a KTM 690 SMC (mainly down to the paintjob, as they are almost most exact copies of each other) as a restricted A2 bike, being stupidly light for it's displacement and being easily detuned due to the aforementioned ECU maps.
@@automobiili_xd6236 True about A1. Forgot it was cc limited. That being said The 2 cyls make great detuned A2 bikes because they still have that torque at lower rpms.
I downgraded from an Aprilia RSVR 1000 to an MT 09.
Just like your cameras, just like your microphone calm down my guy it’s all good
Too many refined carbs, seed oils, glyphosate, and micro plastics fouled up their hormones?
Learn how to wheelie, Yammie. Difficult to listen to you knowing you can't wheelie 💯
why bigger small bikes are good and easy to drive
Motorcycle stores here in the Philippines still have 100cc to 125cc. but the body gets bigger . ❤❤❤😅😅😅
Yeah but a 2000 CC Harley only has 70 horsepower.
And to think, 30 years ago, it was.... 55hp.
And 40 years ago, it was.... 45hp.
And the traditional HD buyer shit all over the vrod, making 115hp from day 1 in 2002, because rapid improvement ruffles every feather of the beloved Creamin Seagull.
HD has plot armor unmatched by any other company.
....Janus.
Its funny to complain about a bike being the same size since 2005 and about bikes constantly growing for no good reason in the same video. 🤦🏼♂️
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@@PlausibleTuba Why
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man .. too long ..get to the point.
They say that you only need 100 to 120bhp for the road, and that 80bhp will get you to 60mph as fast as anything with 180bhp...and they would be right. But some people like coffee shops more than they like motorcycling.
Nobody really needs all this new tourqe.
Personally I just don't like parallel twins.
Dude just did a video recently about why bikes are getting smaller. "Not so super-bikes..."
Well...which is it?