If the Thomann event had been in 8bit guys hometown, he would have had his concealed firearm in his jockey shorts and his assault _styled_ rifle strapped to his back. Live shooter event waiting to happen, _yo_ .
The Collab with 8bit is very awesome, definitely enjoying this as of speaking. I also love how you never interrupt or talk through 8Bit whenever he's talking. Thats something a lot of people dont do! Great video Doctor Mix :)
The 8-Bit Guy and Dr. Mix both in one video... this is awesome :) and if all three of you (Perifractic from Retro Recipes channel) do a video the internet will blow up ;)
Oh wow. Two of my favourite channels communicating with each other. I haven't felt this excited since Jean-Michel-Jarre collaborated with Vince Clarke :)
Great to see that these old chips are still appreciated. I love the sound of it. While I like tinkering, too, I decided for a TherapSid MKII from Twisted Electrons which is a sophisticated (and currently available) machine to control one or two SID chips. You have all the knobs you need to control the chip plus LFOs and Arp including a full MIDI implementation. It is worth every penny. As someone else already said the analog input can be run through the filter, to be precise.
For more than four knobs, use analog switches (aka multiplexers). E.g. (on ebay): CMOS CD74HC4067 16 Channel Analog Digital Multiplexer Breakout Module Arduino - or similar. The "4067" is the important part of the search. You then use up to four digital outputs, to specify which of the 16 inputs to read. The chip (or little board, like that one) has one output. So, you could maybe have 64 knobs, using four of those and four analog inputs - use the same four digital outs for the addresses, and wire all of those together. You then need some code to scan across each address, reading each input. You want to keep the pots as reasonably low values, to get clean readings. 10k is usually about right. If you go too high, you tend to get more noise, and readings bleeding from one input to the next, due to stray capacitance holding the voltage for too long. Of course, if you're using off the shelf software, you'd need the source code, or a way of hacking it to scan the pots and take the values as inputs. You might just be able to do it in Commodore BASIC though. I've never used it, but I understand it was pretty good.
This video brings back some amazing memories of my youth and I'm not referring to the C64. I spent the better part of my childhood scanning barcode songs into the Casio MT-70! It was my first keyboard and I loved it!! Good luck with your project, Dr Mix. I can't wait to see/hear how it turns out. Peace \/.
Excellent conversation with the 8-Bit Guy. Now you need to have a conversation with Perifractic too like David said. Bookmarking this video for the tips.
Please upvote this comment so that Dr. Mix can see it About the analog inputs: Well, without any modification (to the code as well) it will be impossible to mount more knobs, however, as I see there are 2 solutions to this problem: 1. Analog multiplexers like the CD4051 IC may bring that number up to 4*8=32 potentiometers; this solution will, however, require 3 digital outputs per one chip, but C64 has more than enough digital outputs to handle that. 2. One could just make a board that has potentiometers and connects to the C64 digitally. Surprisingly, this seems like an easier solution, since most probably no modification to the C64 programm code will be required. Maybe, you should collaborate with someone like lookmomnocomputer? He certainly will be able to make such a board, it just requires a bunch of potentiometers, an arduino and a connector to connect to the C64. Now, about the oscilloscope thingy: well, if a separate display is a viable solution to you, you may just use a cheap chinese oscilloscope kit. Or, again, an arduino nano and an I2C OLED display. The gate, balanced output and so on are no problem as well schematically - just a couple of opamps and FETs. Again, you really should contact someone with good knowledge of electronics, like lookmomnocomputer or, idk, eevblog?
From my work on our own C64 Synthesizer Workstation, I can tell you, that 2 SID's make sense for a 6 voice simultaniously playback. MSSIAH sequencer seems a bit bulky for the beginner, but you can do all known SID Instruments with it. Also it has MIDI in and LIVE Playback on a Midi Keyboard or on the C64 Keys. I use the MIDI together with Cubase and this combination is working gerat! For ultra low noise get a SIDFX Module for 2 SID's or a FPGASID .. internal SD2IEC for Data storage also recommended. Usually you doesn't need more then 4 encoders (2 for X and 2 for Y) other knobs can be used as feedback input (SID audio out -> SID audio in) .. you can check out our C64 Workstation video.. greetings Anthony
This RUclips video has finally pushed all the linear broadcast network schedules into dust.. living my life like it's golden, living my life like it's golden.. content, right here :-) Stupefacente, go go Dr. Mix
They probably met up at the Thomann convention, together witht Paolo from Synthmania, three of my all time fav youtubers, together with Retro recipes and his velvet voice ;) Thanks guys, you RULE!
Subscriber to both channels, for different reasons, and now they're together! Love it. David, you look like you just woke up though...maybe you did, Europe vs US time...lol
I make studio gear..MIDI controllers specifically...With the right software you could multiplex the analog ins with a 4051 IC for example. Or even use an encoder (and maybe Microcontroller) to add direct qwerty keyboard/midi control. The teensy 3.6 is a great microcontroller board for example. If you want any advice just message me
C'mon Claudio, once you've finished playing out all over the world with your amazing sets, producing awesome songs and living the high life, get that soldering iron out and team up with Rob Hubbard for some C64 sexiness
always a pleasure to see David '8bits of soldering iron tinkering and Kärcher cleaning' Murray from Texas! He's always a great inspiration. Good idea to have called for him, Claudio!👌👍
If you want something really knobby that goes beyond the four joystick pots the C64 provides, you can control the MSSIAH mono synth parameters via MIDI. You would be looking for something like the Doepfer USB64 to produce MIDI control messages from the potentiometers. The mssiah manual contains an implementation chart that will tell you how to set up the control range on the USB64 for each CC. For some examples, RUclips user SynthProject has built many hardware controllers like this.
Nice video about C64 synths. I used in the early eighties the Commodore SFX Sound Sampler and a Drum cartridge.BTW: I like this great channel. My hands want to move...
Gating the C64 audio output is a good idea. As for the C64's audio_in - SID can filter the sound coming through it so 8-Big Guy was a bit wrong saying "it doesn't do anything to the sound". I've coded an audio_in filter program so I know. When pulling down audio_in to ground it's a good practice to use a resistor: 300R - 1k should be good AFAIR. You don't want it electrically GND-ed without any R, just in case (of some parasitic interferences on the GND, smal hi-freq GND fluctuations - a rare thing but can potentially damage the SID).
Dr. Mix, this video would be an excelent question for another youtuber called:"Look mum no computer", I bet he is able to create this panel you are looking for with many knobs.
The revised “8580” SID found in the C64-II does not suffer the trailing notes of the original 6581. Also, in my opinion the filter sounds nicer. If you want more than 4 analog controls, consider an external MIDI controller - there are easy DIY ones that connect to your own potentiometers. You just need C64 hardware and software that responds to the MIDI controllers. Alternatively get a kit like SammichSID that really harnesses SID’s power!!
@@Doctormix Have you also checked the Elektron SIDStation? Elektron's first product (1999), based on the SID with custom mainboard and OS. Quite hard to come by nowadays, and probably fetching around $800-1000USD.
Nice project, i love it! As you already know, Cynthcart supports controlling e.g. Filter Cutoff via pedal input on the joystick port(s). Anyway, Cynthcart also supports this and other MIDI CCs, once you add a Midi Interface cart, for example standard pitch bend control. So what about putting a knob based Midi Controller into the (probably new minimoog style) housing?
Concerning the noise gate: I don't think you need one. normally you can stop the notes on the SID completely in software - they don't need to keep going. So this is probably a feature of the cynthcard or the specific instrument(s) you used on it.
If I'm not mistaken, mssiah cartridge can take parameter adjustments with MIDI CC. You you just need to make your own knobs and attach them to a CC generator device. Probably a simple arduino can do that.
Just a bit into this video... You know that Mode systems made a SID-chip synthesizer named sid, right? I'm pretty sure it's possible to find. but they also released full diy instructions for it too...
More knobs, more better: you could have a whole Moog-like dashboard full of dials and switches. A small microcontroller that simulates keypresses is all that it takes.
We're in the same boat bro. I just want instant parameter access with knobs! The things you've seen with more knobs are probably Midibox SIDs, you'd have to pick that SID baby out and get some components and solder it together with instructions (ucapps.de, a german guy who wrote code for a bunch of DIY projects), there are readily available kits with a printed circuit board though but you can't get away from putting it together yourself unless you find a used one for 5 x the price. Also check out the Therapsid if you haven't seen it!
Wait what ?!!! 🤔 8bit keys and doctor mix in the same video ??!!
I so this one comming after the Thomann vids.
Lookmumnocomputer next? :P
Very cool! I watch both you guys separately! Cool to see you guys collaborating!
It also shows that this is not the first time.
If the Thomann event had been in 8bit guys hometown, he would have had his concealed firearm in his jockey shorts and his assault _styled_ rifle strapped to his back.
Live shooter event waiting to happen, _yo_ .
Even the Skype jingle is enough for Doctor Mix to bust a move.
Is in her blood
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@@ChristianIce don't get it:)))
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OMG! Doctor Mix and the 8-Bit Guy!!! :)
The Collab with 8bit is very awesome, definitely enjoying this as of speaking. I also love how you never interrupt or talk through 8Bit whenever he's talking. Thats something a lot of people dont do! Great video Doctor Mix :)
What is this, a crossover episode?
Love both channels!
My 2 favorite youtubers in 1 video!!!!!!! Yes
You know you were there in the 80s if you can finish this line "Are you keeping up with the Commodore...".
Best collab!
Hey man! I know this will be fun :)
The 8-Bit Guy and Dr. Mix both in one video... this is awesome :) and if all three of you (Perifractic from Retro Recipes channel) do a video the internet will blow up ;)
Doctor Mix and the 8-Bit Guy....what is this sorcery?
Oh wow. Two of my favourite channels communicating with each other.
I haven't felt this excited since Jean-Michel-Jarre collaborated with Vince Clarke :)
Great to see that these old chips are still appreciated. I love the sound of it. While I like tinkering, too, I decided for a TherapSid MKII from Twisted Electrons which is a sophisticated (and currently available) machine to control one or two SID chips. You have all the knobs you need to control the chip plus LFOs and Arp including a full MIDI implementation. It is worth every penny.
As someone else already said the analog input can be run through the filter, to be precise.
"more access to the nieuu nieuu" is the correct technical terminology.
Marvel: Avengers Endgame is the most ambitious crossover in history
Dr Mix: Hold my synth
For more than four knobs, use analog switches (aka multiplexers).
E.g. (on ebay): CMOS CD74HC4067 16 Channel Analog Digital Multiplexer Breakout Module Arduino - or similar. The "4067" is the important part of the search.
You then use up to four digital outputs, to specify which of the 16 inputs to read. The chip (or little board, like that one) has one output.
So, you could maybe have 64 knobs, using four of those and four analog inputs - use the same four digital outs for the addresses, and wire all of those together.
You then need some code to scan across each address, reading each input.
You want to keep the pots as reasonably low values, to get clean readings. 10k is usually about right. If you go too high, you tend to get more noise, and readings bleeding from one input to the next, due to stray capacitance holding the voltage for too long.
Of course, if you're using off the shelf software, you'd need the source code, or a way of hacking it to scan the pots and take the values as inputs. You might just be able to do it in Commodore BASIC though. I've never used it, but I understand it was pretty good.
This video brings back some amazing memories of my youth and I'm not referring to the C64. I spent the better part of my childhood scanning barcode songs into the Casio MT-70! It was my first keyboard and I loved it!! Good luck with your project, Dr Mix. I can't wait to see/hear how it turns out. Peace \/.
ambitious project! Looking forward to seeing how it progresses
That Was AWESOME! Like Mr. Spock and Luke Skywalker in the same scene!!!
Excellent conversation with the 8-Bit Guy. Now you need to have a conversation with Perifractic too like David said.
Bookmarking this video for the tips.
Great to see you both together. Going to be interesting making a C64 sing like a Moog.
YES! My favorite RUclipsrs in one video!
Hey. This collab is what the internet was invented for.
Man, I liked a lot your channel before. Now that you told us that you love the C64 and working with the 8 Bit Guy, I freaking love it!!
Please upvote this comment so that Dr. Mix can see it
About the analog inputs: Well, without any modification (to the code as well) it will be impossible to mount more knobs, however, as I see there are 2 solutions to this problem:
1. Analog multiplexers like the CD4051 IC may bring that number up to 4*8=32 potentiometers; this solution will, however, require 3 digital outputs per one chip, but C64 has more than enough digital outputs to handle that.
2. One could just make a board that has potentiometers and connects to the C64 digitally. Surprisingly, this seems like an easier solution, since most probably no modification to the C64 programm code will be required. Maybe, you should collaborate with someone like lookmomnocomputer? He certainly will be able to make such a board, it just requires a bunch of potentiometers, an arduino and a connector to connect to the C64.
Now, about the oscilloscope thingy: well, if a separate display is a viable solution to you, you may just use a cheap chinese oscilloscope kit. Or, again, an arduino nano and an I2C OLED display.
The gate, balanced output and so on are no problem as well schematically - just a couple of opamps and FETs. Again, you really should contact someone with good knowledge of electronics, like lookmomnocomputer or, idk, eevblog?
Great colab!!! I enjoy a lot the talk, waiting to see what are you going to smash!!! Best wishes from Spain!
this is stupid sick! Would have never guessed these two greats collaborate on a video - awesome!
From my work on our own C64 Synthesizer Workstation, I can tell you, that 2 SID's make sense for a 6 voice simultaniously playback. MSSIAH sequencer seems a bit bulky for the beginner, but you can do all known SID Instruments with it. Also it has MIDI in and LIVE Playback on a Midi Keyboard or on the C64 Keys. I use the MIDI together with Cubase and this combination is working gerat! For ultra low noise get a SIDFX Module for 2 SID's or a FPGASID .. internal SD2IEC for Data storage also recommended. Usually you doesn't need more then 4 encoders (2 for X and 2 for Y) other knobs can be used as feedback input (SID audio out -> SID audio in) .. you can check out our C64 Workstation video.. greetings Anthony
The MSSIAH sequencer is really easy as long as you have the mouse.
@@Heathcliff_hensel yes that is true!
Somebody wants to see Dr. Mix playing with 8-bit keys's toys?? Only me??
This RUclips video has finally pushed all the linear broadcast network schedules into dust.. living my life like it's golden, living my life like it's golden.. content, right here :-) Stupefacente, go go Dr. Mix
Dr Mix vs Rob Hubbard... surely can be arranged? ;-)
I heard when they hold their magic rings together, they become Doctor 8Bit
I suppose that's better than "Mix Guy"
Ahahaha. I have watched both of you many times in the past and to see you two together....ahahahaha. Made my night! Such a video!
Oh wow!! Headed to Mom’s to find my c64 in her attic. I didn’t realize I had such a priceless musical instrument. Ha! Great video Claudio!
It's really cool seeing guys that went to the Thomann event collaborating for a subsequent project. Looking forward to the final product.
They probably met up at the Thomann convention, together witht Paolo from Synthmania, three of my all time fav youtubers, together with Retro recipes and his velvet voice ;) Thanks guys, you RULE!
Two of my favorite youtubers ......you guys rock !!!!!
Nice colab! I hope the MT-70 video will come up soon. Thanks for the great video!
Subscriber to both channels, for different reasons, and now they're together! Love it. David, you look like you just woke up though...maybe you did, Europe vs US time...lol
Great production with split screen and combining the high-quality captures from both ends.
I make studio gear..MIDI controllers specifically...With the right software you could multiplex the analog ins with a 4051 IC for example. Or even use an encoder (and maybe Microcontroller) to add direct qwerty keyboard/midi control.
The teensy 3.6 is a great microcontroller board for example.
If you want any advice just message me
Awesome crossover!! Saludos Claudio!!
8 bit guy and a Casio MT-70, looking forward to that. Love the ambition of the good Doctor to get the best outta the 64, roll on ep3!
Two of my favorite channels in one video. Cool.
Two of my favorite people to watch on RUclips.
That was a really cool video. 2 of my fav channels on 1 video. Cant wait to see the DR-MIX-64-SYNTH
Interesting name :) Might use it
Is that a Planet X3 vinyl soundtrack I see on David's workbench?
Hi Dale!! How did I know I would find you here Haha :D
Amazing! My two most favorite RUclipsrs in one video!
The best crossover ever!!!!!!
Dude! This is amazing. Kudos to your hard work I hope to see more of this p.s. cool idea to pick out one of the contestants using the 64
hahaha I love the enthusiastic "How ya doin' baby?!" greeting
Nice "The 8 bit doctor" crossover ^_^
C'mon Claudio, once you've finished playing out all over the world with your amazing sets, producing awesome songs and living the high life, get that soldering iron out and team up with Rob Hubbard for some C64 sexiness
Great hook-up, no surprise you are both already on my subscribe list. Cool.
always a pleasure to see David '8bits of soldering iron tinkering and Kärcher cleaning' Murray from Texas! He's always a great inspiration. Good idea to have called for him, Claudio!👌👍
Holy cr4p, I had that Casio synth as a teenager! It’s the MT-70!
holy nerdballs, i never would have expected a collaboration between you two!
This was published on my BIRTHDAY (6/11)?!
Best present ever!
Awesome - two of my fav chaps in the same clip at the same time. Hope you guys get to meet up again soon and make a clip of it.
Doctor Mix ,the 8 bit guy and a commodore 64 in one video ?? That's magic :)
Damn Doctor Mix, you are smooth, smoothest skype beggining call intro that I have ever seen!
Damn. I have no idea what to expect from Commodore 64.
Never heard of a C64 synthesizer. I'm so excited to see what you can do with it.
If you want something really knobby that goes beyond the four joystick pots the C64 provides, you can control the MSSIAH mono synth parameters via MIDI. You would be looking for something like the Doepfer USB64 to produce MIDI control messages from the potentiometers. The mssiah manual contains an implementation chart that will tell you how to set up the control range on the USB64 for each CC. For some examples, RUclips user SynthProject has built many hardware controllers like this.
Okay now on the next one he needs to add Perifractic Retro Recipes to the mix and the cycle will be complete
Great collab!!
So cool you guys are friends!! Keep the collaborations coming 👌🏼
Nice video about C64 synths. I used in the early eighties the Commodore SFX Sound Sampler and a Drum cartridge.BTW: I like this great channel. My hands want to move...
I've got an SX-64 that has a color display built in already. Maybe you should gut one of those for your build.
Legendary collab!
did anyone noticed that the intro voice is the same with Das Boot from U96?? Claudio ???
ooohhh man! the best crossover ever seen !!!!!
2 of my favourite youtubers!
I'm pretty sure MSSIAH can recieve MIDI CC data, if that helps.
Yes, it can
Yep it does. Midi cc.
Gating the C64 audio output is a good idea. As for the C64's audio_in - SID can filter the sound coming through it so 8-Big Guy was a bit wrong saying "it doesn't do anything to the sound". I've coded an audio_in filter program so I know.
When pulling down audio_in to ground it's a good practice to use a resistor: 300R - 1k should be good AFAIR. You don't want it electrically GND-ed without any R, just in case (of some parasitic interferences on the GND, smal hi-freq GND fluctuations - a rare thing but can potentially damage the SID).
So crazy to see two random channels I subscribe to do a collab together!!!
OH GOD I AM FAN OF BOTH OF YOU ❤
Great video, 8 Bit Guy is the man for the task! I like this co op videos👍.
Dr. Mix, this video would be an excelent question for another youtuber called:"Look mum no computer", I bet he is able to create this panel you are looking for with many knobs.
The revised “8580” SID found in the C64-II does not suffer the trailing notes of the original 6581. Also, in my opinion the filter sounds nicer.
If you want more than 4 analog controls, consider an external MIDI controller - there are easy DIY ones that connect to your own potentiometers. You just need C64 hardware and software that responds to the MIDI controllers.
Alternatively get a kit like SammichSID that really harnesses SID’s power!!
Its a crossover episode! Only in this episode each shows main character gets equal time vs the usual 25/75% mix those 80's shows would do.
You guys should really contact Lukhash, who probably knows most of any regarding C64 for music production! :D
That would be awesome!
Wow, thanks for the tip.. just watched 5 of his (or her?) videos STRAIGHT!
@@Doctormix Have you also checked the Elektron SIDStation? Elektron's first product (1999), based on the SID with custom mainboard and OS. Quite hard to come by nowadays, and probably fetching around $800-1000USD.
What a killer colab!!
Dope 8 bit guy rules and so does dr. Mix...good sode dude
Nice project, i love it! As you already know, Cynthcart supports controlling e.g. Filter Cutoff via pedal input on the joystick port(s). Anyway, Cynthcart also supports this and other MIDI CCs, once you add a Midi Interface cart, for example standard pitch bend control. So what about putting a knob based Midi Controller into the (probably new minimoog style) housing?
Concerning the noise gate: I don't think you need one. normally you can stop the notes on the SID completely in software - they don't need to keep going. So this is probably a feature of the cynthcard or the specific instrument(s) you used on it.
I use a therapsid synth. It has 2 sockets for any type of sid.
If I'm not mistaken, mssiah cartridge can take parameter adjustments with MIDI CC. You you just need to make your own knobs and attach them to a CC generator device. Probably a simple arduino can do that.
Just a bit into this video... You know that Mode systems made a SID-chip synthesizer named sid, right? I'm pretty sure it's possible to find. but they also released full diy instructions for it too...
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Perhaps with Pulse Width Modulation you could control more buttons for effects that are time based ?
Best crossover ever! :)
This kind of montage is neat !
Im hooked, when is next ep ? And where is your mr Meeseeks ?
If you want a cleaner sound you should go for a C64c with the 8580 version of the SID chip - much less noisy and a better sounding filter IMO...
hmmm, you may be right
This is o e awesome video!!!
I can only dig 8-bit guy’s t-shirt. Is there a video of him demonstrating those hex pads?
Wow Great project
there is a chance to connect an external music keyboard to control c64 synth???
Best crossover EVER.
More knobs, more better: you could have a whole Moog-like dashboard full of dials and switches. A small microcontroller that simulates keypresses is all that it takes.
Awesome... awesome!!! What a great project!!
Making me want to dig out my Amiga 500 from the attic and fire up sequencer one and AMAS sampler 🤪
About the keys: once again, check out LukHash. He does this kind of colour mixing of the keys.
We're in the same boat bro. I just want instant parameter access with knobs!
The things you've seen with more knobs are probably Midibox SIDs, you'd have to pick that SID baby out and get some components and solder it together with instructions (ucapps.de, a german guy who wrote code for a bunch of DIY projects), there are readily available kits with a printed circuit board though but you can't get away from putting it together yourself unless you find a used one for 5 x the price.
Also check out the Therapsid if you haven't seen it!
Thanks for the info!
@@Doctormix Np bro!