How to choose a saxophone mouthpiece Nigel asks Theo Wanne
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- Need help choosing your next saxophone mouthpiece? I asked legendary mouthpiece maker Theo Wanne for his advice!
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In this video:
Theo Wanne explains the history of saxophone mouthpiece facings and why this is important to your sound.
Why cheaper mouthpieces just make you work harder as a player.
How to choose the perfect saxophone mouthpiece that will help you get your perfect sound.
What are Baffles and Chambers and why you need to know about them
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And lots more!
0:00 About this video
1:15 How to choose the best mouthpiece for you
11:21 The table of the mouthpiece
15:31 Facings
15:47 Tip openings
21:42 The Baffle
27:02 Wrapping up
Presented by Nigel McGill
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Really good stuff!!! Thank you for posting this. I've been playing for over 30 years, and knowing mouthpieces is really important in playing the saxophone.
What a brilliant explanation by Theo!
Packed full of good stuff , great interview!
I went with a HR TW Gaia. It accommodate’s a full rich sound that I love. I have tried so many mpc that kind of skirted around the edges of the sound that I was looking for. As you might expect it was very frustrating. When I landed on the Gaia I found it. The search was over. Thank you Theo Wanne.
Great to hear that Richard. I use the Gaia 8 on my alto. It’s a brilliant versatile mpce.
I love these informative and technical videos that describes things in thorough context.. Some people say that you don't really need to know the details in many subjects but I totally disagree because knowing the technical side of things helps you to understand where certain problems originate that you might otherwise be unsure of. .
Cheers Darren. Glad you found it helpful.
Fantastic interview combined with your input makes it the best mouthpiece video i've ever seen. Thanks
Wow, thanks Steve!
Wow, yet another great Theo Wanne interview. What an incredibly knowledgeable, insightful, and passionate man. I use his HR Slant Sig 2 on my Martin tenor and I have yet to find a mouthpiece that quite measures up to Theo’s magnificently high standards. Thanks for the video Nigel!
Awesome. Great to hear you enjoyed it. I love the Slant Sig 2 as well.
Great interview!!!
Really enjoyed this interview. Thank You.
Great to hear that Ann!
This helps a lot! The horn may the great, but the mouthpiece and reed could make the difference! I'm on the quest to get "THAT SOUND".
Very helpful! Thank you.
Your’e welcome!
I endorse Theo's mouthpieces, love them!
I have recently purchased a Jody Jazz Jet 7 for my Alto. Great sound
Cool. I haven’t tried one of those yet.
Fabulous interview! Theo is the best!
I gotta say that judging from my personal experience, Theo's mouthpiece are generally more on the bright side.
You'll also want to go for a rather large tip opening because of how incredibly responsive they are. Very little effort to get your notes out.
Then, lastly, consider plastic reeds. Cane reeds just dont have a really even table most of the time, so it makes no sense to use faulty cane reeds on a near-perfectly-acurrately crafted mouthpiece. That is, at least, if you haven't the money to throw away 7/10 reeds that you get in a box.
Great interview. Very helpful info!
Cheers Rob.
4 years on and this video is still so relevant. I’ve always thought that Theo Wanne mouthpieces were hyped up and all that given the crazy high prices they sell for. But after watching this video again, I can better understand why they would cost so much. Looking forward to getting my first Theo Wanne mpc soon!
The table of my slant sig 2 is so flat it's very hard to remove the reed after a practice. Very good seal.
Perfect!
Blew me away this interview ,
Glad you enjoyed it Paul. Loads of interesting stuff from Theo in here!
I have an alto GAIA 2 7* and a tenor Slant Sig 2 7* by TW, both played with Legere Signature reeds. Funny enough that rather than going for a metal Durga or Ambika, I opted for a Retro Revival NY 7* instead which doesn’t give me as bright a sound. Have also got Soloist D for both alto and tenor that I consider my easy mpc, great to exercise my embouchure again after a long business trip during which I couldn’t play.
Some good pieces there Thierry. Good point about the difference between a TW piece and the Soloist mpce. Interesting how different pieces develop your embouchure. Thanks for watching.
What I learned in 3 years 7-8 tip opening,short facing curve,medium or high baffle and a metal mouthpiece.this combination made my day in 1 day.correct me if I am wrong.ex,yanagisawa or rovner metal mouthpiece with a modified high baffle inside is what I need.as I said this is a comment of 3 years of practice and playing.
I play a Slant Sig 2 *7 on my tenor, NY Bros 7* on my alto. Both bought them 2nd hand, so in the end had two for the price of one new one! Best mouthpieces I have played. Very free blowing like TW said in the interview, and very versatile. And I agree that it is a journey to find the right setup for your mouthpiece and reed combination, but once found it is really inspiring one to play more. Really nice interview, thanks Nigel!!!
Glad you enjoyed it Timo. You’ve got a couple of nice mouthpieces there!
Yes I really like them. The really help me with my sound and are open, free-and easy blowing so they allow me to concentrate on my sound. And I do encourage other players looking for an upgrade to look for *good* 2nd hand mouthpieces on eBay fi. They are often half the price and keep their value once you are up to your next upgrade 😃
At my first look into getting a good mouthpiece. The first thing I saw was the price. And I'm like, ouch. $500 -$1000, I never even knew. But after I got a mouthpiece I can say. When you go to get a saxophone. You don't even think twice about a $1500 - $2500 instrument. You kind of know what it will be like. But, in reality, you don't. Dollar per dollar, an expensive instrument will not give the result nearly as fruitful as the same dollars spent on a better mouthpiece. I got a new saxophone 10 years past and it sounded, some, smoother and fuller. But, just marginally. Then a couple years past I got a Thea Wayne, slant sig 2. And then, there was a BIG difference. So a $500 mouthpiece did a bigger difference than $1500 spent on a new instrument. My biggest decision I had to make here was the tip opening.
I have heard that a tip opening too big might require more air than you have. And the local music shop did not carry anything bigger than a #4 that I could try. He said that nobody buys the bigger one here. So I went with the #6, knowing I could send it back for a #7. But I liked it, so I kept it.
Brilliant. Glad the size 6 is working for you. I do agree that the right mouthpiece can make a massive difference to your playing (and how much you enjoy playing). Thanks for your comments.
Just bought a Vandoren Java A35. Cant wait to try it out on some of the jazz songs ive been playing. My Yamaha 4C has a too rounded and classical sound
Really valuable info.
Great interview, interesting and informative and Theo comes across as a top man - I've a metal TW Shiva 2 ; love it!
Cool. The Shiva is a monster mouthpiece John.
Mouthpiece choice is so personal and can present quite a challenge to find the right one(s). FWIW, I L❤VE Theo’s alto pieces- I play an Amma and a Gaia. That said, I couldn’t find a tenor piece that worked for me other than a HR Slant Sig, which played really nice, but didn’t have the sound I needed.
I have theo wanne fire 7 alto sax and it's a very amazing mouthpiece my altissimo is so easy and my sound is more beautiful thank you theo wanne
Great tips from a legendary man in the sax world. I have been experimenting recently with putting plasticine baffles in my Otto Link tone edge. Definitely prefer a small baffle so might go and try some different mouthpieces in the near future, or use epoxy and make the baffle permanent. Great video Nigel. Cheers.
That's really interesting Les. I have done this in the past too. It's a great way to learn about baffles. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Great video. I am using a metal Florida Otto Link 8* from the mid 1960's on my Selmer Mk VI tenor sax. I am currently using either RW 2.5 hard reeds or Queens 2.5 reeds. I have some Marca reeds coming to me to try out. On alto I found an old White Brilhart Tonalin 3* that I use w/a LaVoz med-hard reed. However I also have some MArca alto reeds coming that I will try out on alto too.
I’ll be interested to know what you think of the Marca reeds. I enjoyed testing them myself. Glad you enjoyed the video Larry.
I am waiting to receive them from Nicolas. I liked the way you sounded on the American reed best. I bet that will be my choice too.
Great very, very informative.
Thank for sharing, all this time I’m thinking I need a better Saxophone (Allora sax !) using a vandoren v16 +8 #2reed ! I’m still searching for a darker sound! Maybe another mouthpiece!!
I've discovered that the Warburton Music Company is just a 45 min drive from my house. Although a major international brass mouthpiece manufacturer, they also produce sax mouthpieces. I'm looking forward to a tour and mouthpiece trial in mid June to find a free blowing piece with a brighter sound that the mouthpiece that came with my new Yanagisawa alto. This talk with Theo was very informative and gives me more terminology to use in my discussion with their sax guys.
That's interesting. Please keep me posted with how the tour goes. Glad you enjoyed the video Randy.
Durga 9 here AND a Mantra Tenor Black Nickle with Titanium neck ...Keep up the good work Theo ...
Cool, nice setup. How are you enjoying the Mantra tenor?
It's glorious. The way I see it is it is Theo's attempt to marry the 10m and the Mark VI along with incorporation of innovations due to his study of air flow. Who best to design the rest of the instrument than a mouthpiece master .. reminiscent of Guardala eh? ;) Have you tried the Mantra yet?
Actually I was thinking it might be a bit like my Guardala tenor. I haven’t tried one yet but need to twist Theo’s arm next time I see him!
Theo's a busy elf.. you may have an easier time getting your demo horn from Bryan who does his biz dev and distribution ...
bryan@theowanne.com . We would all love to get your take on the Mantra being a die hard Guardala guy!
Fantastic interview Nigel. One of the best you've ever done. I play a slant sig 2 7* but it's not giving me the sound I'm after. After that interview from the great man I now understand baffles. Keep up the good work
Cheers. Glad you enjoyed the video. Do you think you’re looking for something with more baffle than the Slant Sig? What else have you tried?
Hi Nigel, as soon as he mentioned Ben Webster and Scott Hamilton my ears pricked up so less baffle but more open. I have a Vandoran T55 which I love but the oct D is slightly held back compared with the notes around it. I play a 2 or 2.25 Legere. Everything else is great inc subtones. Thanks again Terry (sax school)
For tenor I use a Theo Wanne Gaia 2 in 7* . For cane reeds I use a Vandoren green java in 2 strength. In synthetic I use a Legere signature reed in #2 strength.
In soprano I use a Theo Wanne Durga 3 with a 7 opening. In cane reeds I use D’iddario jazz select in #2 medium strength. For synthetic I use a Legere signature reed in #2 strength. Theo makes phenomenal mouthpieces. You pick the sound your after and he has a mouthpiece for you. It’s that simple. What works for me may not work for you. Always experiment with different reeds. Always wash out your mouthpiece after playing to prevent calcium buildup. Always store them in a safe place and take a minimum of 2 to a gig...
Thanks for sharing.
For the very first mouthpiece after a "beginner" mouthpiece (probably the one that came with the horn) you'll want to find a high quality mouthpiece that offers good response for you. At this point in your progression, you probably don't want to choose a piece that is is designed for a particular genre. Find a mouthpiece that is as general purpose as possible. Unless you are an adult learner with a very specific idea of what sound you are trying to accomplish, you need a piece that can accommodate several genres of music. Most of your sound is created by *you* -- your embouchure, the shape of your oral cavity and your airstream. That has more affect on your sound than the mouthpiece will. Once you get to the point in your progression that you need to optimize your own sound then and only then should and expensive boutique mouthpiece (like the ones offered by Theo Wanne) be considered.
You pretty much summed it all up right here lol.
Just read your comments related to the video on mouthpiece design. You seem to make perfect sense and struck a cord with my issue. I'm a returning player; played through high school and a couple years in college marching band, then only very infrequently as work life set in. So now in my early 60's, after 30+ years of only minimal playing, I've rekindled this interest. Been now playing about about 18 months. Using a Selmer S80-C*. Have tried Rico 2s and 2.5s, and VanDoren 2s and 2.5s. My issue is 'reed blow out'. (Don't know what else to call it). I will be playing along just fine, then all of a sudden, crap. Almost no sound, or difficult to get sound. I could set the reed aside, use it the next day, and it might work fine again. Was wondering if it could possibly be related to the mouthpiece or reed placement on the mouthpiece. Never recall having this issue in my younger days. Looking for your thoughts please.
thanks
Very helpful discussion. On my alto, I’ve been playing a Berg Larsen stainless steel 85 0 M for some time. I don’t really like the sound at this point and want something less bright, but still appropriate for rock and jazz.
Glad you enjoyed it Charles. Lots of mouthpiece options out there. I played on a Yanagisawa metal alto mouthpiece for years in all sorts of settings from West End theatre shows to big bands, pop gigs and playing jazz. These days though I’m using a Theo Wanne Gaia hard rubber size 8 which is amazing. Even more versatile but less temperamental and with a warmer sound.
If you are not playing in the horns section of a very loud stage, I think too that Gaia would be an excellent, versatile choice for jazz and rock.
That was awesome, I could have listened to Theo talk mouthpieces for another hour. I have the HR Ambika ❤️❤️
Cool. I also have an Ambika - great mouthpiece.
I play a Phil-Tone Tribute, which is manufactured by Theo Wanne, and final finishing by Phil. Superb manufacturing, never played a better mouthpiece. Great interview - although I don’t agree about the audible difference in materials. I’ve played many mouthpieces in my 60 years of playing, and have come to the conclusion that it’s the dimensions, not the material, that makes the sound. There is one notable difference though... HR mouthpieces are larger, which causes the player to open the mouth a little more. As we all know, size and shape of mouth cavity has a huge influence on sound. This could account for any perceived difference in otherwise identical mouthpieces.
Great comments there Steve.
Hello wondering if you've discussed mouthpiece mute lil plastic tube.
Is it worth putting an upgraded mouthpiece on a student saxophone? I have a JE Olds alto saxophone and was thinking of getting a Vandoren Jumbo Java A45, Optimum ligature, and Vandoren V16 #3.5 reeds.
Sure, your mouthpiece is the best thing to upgrade first.
thanks soo much Mcgill. Does the baffle in the mouthpiece assist with altissimo notes?
Good question Dave. I'm sure some people might think so because it makes the sound brighter. I've played some high baffle mouthpieces that make altissimo easy, but equally, I've played very open mouthpieces that make it easy - it's more important to find the mouthpiece that suits you overall.
I have found very little info on the insides of MPs. Thanks! However I was looking for the elements that make for less resistance (more free blowing). I Play a Selmer C* with a blues box Rico 2.5 on my sop and alto and I get a relaxed, beautiful sound. However I can not play my bari nor my tenor with ease, even with a #1 reed (!) and a very closed tip. Help! Thanks again.
Hi Miguel. If you are using a similar mouthpiece /reed combo on tenor and baritone then I would just focus on slow melodies and long tones to build your embouchure control. The bigger mouthpieces can be harder to control if you are used to alto/sop. Hope that helps.
Hi Nigel. WOW! What a great video! Very informative. One question I do have though is about my Durga no.8 Tenor Mp. I find that to get it in tune on my yts 62, I have to pull it out very far, especially if the instrument is warm. The mouthpiece will wobble a bit aswell. What could I do to get around this problem? The cork has already been replaced with a thicker one. Thanks in advance.
Ben
Hey Ben. Glad you enjoyed the video. Sounds like you need to adjust or replace your neck cork. I made a video that might help you here: ruclips.net/video/S9dlVNSmVVE/видео.html
Good day sir! I would like to ask if a Yamaha Alto Sax 34 ii is worth buying? A friend of mine was recommending me one but I'm not sure if it is worth the money. Thank you and any reply would be greatly appreciated!😁
P.s. I was referring to a model of alto sax😁
Maybe this is a beginner question, but what kind of mouthpiece can make playing the low B flat easiest and softest?
As a real beginner I am not about to splurge hundreds of dollars on a mouthpiece. Maybe the inaccuracies of manufacture in the past were important, but modern production is way tighter and more accurate. I would like to see actual lab testing of low price to high price mouthpieces to see if the claims add up. Right now I am using a D'ddario Graftonite B5 with 2.5 D'Addario Royal reeds and a Rovner ligature. Works fine for me. I have not seen any article on mouthpieces mention the mouth of the player. We are all unique, so surely that makes a huge difference to the sound we can produce from an instrument. I would like to see actual lab testing of low price to high price mouthpieces to see if the claims add up.
Mate it makes I huge difference it really does. When you get better you will hit a wall most likely. Don't get me wrong some people are lucky and find their sound and are happy with the cheap mouthpieces but I've been playing for 20 years now and thought the same way you did for alot of that time. I pulled the trigger on one of these newer top of the line mouthpieces and it's night and day. I think what they really need to say is most beginners won't really notice a difference I would say it would take 5 years of solid playing to see any benefits in a mouthpiece. Don't get me wrong a beginner playing a $900 mouthpiece will notice it straight away just won't be able to get the most out of it.
Hi Nigel. I happen to live close to where Theo is. I might visit him some day. I have a Otto Link NY STM *7. I got it to go with the Conn 10m I recently acquired. My question is- how do I know of my mp needs work/refacing. The table on the Link is not flat. It is designed that way I am told. It is very slight concave surface. I put it on a flat surface and I can not get a piece of parchment paper to slip under it. I just rubbed the mp on a steel surface very lightly to check if the rails are aligned. It does seem to be slightly off.
Hi David. Good question. My first check would be to see if you can get a reed to seal and perform properly on it. I’m no mouthpiece expert so would suggest getting it to a mouthpiece refacer if you think it needs help. Good luck!
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool I can seal a reed so it pops. I guess it plays well but I am certainly no expert. I can't afford to spend much as I live on social security. I spent plenty on the MP and horn as is. I bought it from an outfit on junkdude.com I talked to the guy in charge who does refacing. He assured me it's a good MP. But if I can make it better yet...
Does it squeak? I bought a Meyer and all it does is squeak! I changed the reeds to 3 different sizes and it still squeaks.
I understand exactly what Mr. Wann. Think about all the kids that got their first horn and MP , no wonder they give up. I think it’s just important to find a right MP for a beginner as a mature player . I gave my Niece a fiber cell reed to use so she can get a sound out of the horn much easier, Her band director made her take it off because he didn’t like the tone? Wait an minute Sir , their first time players what kind of sound are you looking for? I would require all beginning reed. player’s to use a fiber cell .
Question for you Nigel. .. Are you able to provide me with contact details to a local mouthpiece specialist in England // Midlands area maybe? ?
I bought a Brazilian.. Everton MP online couple years ago for £137. . As a novice at the time i couldn't play a note with it but now i i i can ..it sounds raspy and agressive to a degree a nice rich tone but visually inside looks rough and poorly manufactured.. its got a short table then a step into the baffle area. . Not necessarily easy to blow down. . Can you help me find someone that can advise? ?
I don't want to touch it myself as I trashed my yamaha 5C MP last year lol.
I use a 4c now which is nice all the same. .TIA
Daz
I have the highest respect for Theo and I have a question for him, I also believe that the seal of the reed to the mouthpiece makes a huge difference... but Syos 3D printed mouthpieces do not seal well and I have not heard even one bad commentary about them, moreover not even one bad first impression accounting that it takes days or weeks to adjust to a mouthpiece...
Good question. I agree that the mouthpiece / reed seal is super important. I have never tried a SYOS so can’t comment on them. Theo’s pieces have always sealed great for me though.
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Standardisation would make it so much easier to buy online when you can't necessary try before you buy
Agree with you there AJ!
Living in Australia is much harder than US/UK/Europe when we have to order sight unseen. I recently bought an Arnold Montgomery mpc from the US. I had to take a wild guess and hope it worked. Big gamble for $300
I play a number two reed, always have, I tried the 6, just not for me,
I wanted to play like Sonny Stitt, but I can't
6 what?
Nigel, what do you think about the Mindi Abair Custom mouthpiece by Theo Wanne?
Good question Jarold. I haven’t tried one yet.
It is a very loud, very unique piece with high baffle, that cuts through the walls of electric guitar noise, and you can use it to scrape the paint off the walls of the concert house. :-) Remember that the gal with the mouthpiece plays the sax for AeroSmith, not for your quiet night-club jazz trio. :-)
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Great interview. But... no explanation of metal vs rubber?
I cover that in this video: Rubber or Metal Sax Mouthpiece? Nigel asks Theo Wanne ruclips.net/video/kE_CfDpzArs/видео.html
Hi, I'm a new subscriber and I just bought a gold mouthpiece by a brand called Paititi and It's a number 6. Will number 2 reeds be easy to play with a number 6 mouthpiece? I'm a beginner.
Hi. Great to hear you this video helped you. Size 2 is a good place to start.
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool Thank you.
In conclusion to all this video, I understood that for classical music, soundtracks and Instrumental I am going to choose a small opening between reed and mouthpiece. So I presume a 3-4 No. Right?
You could do - personally I would be looking around a size 5 for classical as a starting point but you need to try some to see what suits you.
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool I see, so it's better to give a try. Thank you sir
Love it, as you know I have the Theo Wanne Durga 3 metal which I love
Awesome Vinny!
What tenor do you play?
Hi Mike. I’ve been playing a Dave Guardala gold brass tenor for years.
there are mouthpieces for sale for 40 euro,s ,,, that,s real budget price , but sometimes it is even not to bad when you buy cheap items, is there a big difference? i am talking about yamaha , lets say 5
Personally I think there is a huge difference between a well made mouthpiece and a cheaper mass produced one. If you find a new 40 Euro mpce that works well then great, but this would be pretty uncommon.
thanx for the anwer , i ordered a cheap one, i dont know any better anyway , so why not try a 6c instead of 4c cheap one and see the difference , ofcourse there is a difference and it may help me to improve my muscle skills , i will allso try a second hand more expensive one , let see
Cheap mouthpieces like Yamaha's 4C, 5C, etc. usually come with cheap generic ligatures, and there is the caveat. Now, you may still practice on such mouthpieces and exercise, but I suggest you get a better ligature, which you may use later on any other mouthpiece. I bought BG Super Revelation ligature for my son, so that he may use it later, and the sound quality from an ordinary 4C mouthpiece increased! BG Super Revelation seals the reed better, improves intonation and sustain, adds nuances.
ps loved the interview
Great to hear that. This was a fun interview.
come on get on with it
I find there's a really common misconception. Metal is not brighter than hard rubber. It's the insides and baffle that create "brightness" and "darkness." The misconception comes where that most metal mouthpieces have the insides that make a bright sound and that most hard rubber pieces have the insides that make it dark. So that's the root of the misconception. Here's proof. Selmer made classical *metal* mouthpieces and it got a nice dark sound. So many pros play on Otto Link metal pieces that get a dark sound. Meanwhile you have the Vandoran Jumbo Java pieces and to a lesser extent the V16s, have a bright sound and are made of hard Rubber.
I do agree with you. It was interesting though to hear Theo talk about this in the video. I liked what he said about metal mouthpieces having a “ring” to them which a lot of people hear as a brighter sound.
It is better to have a well-made $700 mouthpiece and a $1000 sax, than a $100 generic mouthpiece and a $7000 sax. A student advances *faster* on the first setup and plays consistently better.
You can't be serious, telling a beginner to go out spend 500 bills each time they "think" they need to improve their playing by switching over to the many different MPs that are on the market?
nobody said that (in this video).