Waiting for the Cure...and it's fine. We have survived long enough under harsh conditions to through everything away just because we had another disappointment or failure. Millions of people are surviving each and every day to have something to eat, fresh water or just to live another day and if we love, for instance, sunsets, we will try to make it to see another one even if there's a storm outside. The sun always comes.
@@understandablepodcast It really is a great exposition of these fuzzy edges of different conditions which are usually hard to understand even to therapists. I would like to add BPD sounds to me like a box people, especially for women with severe cptsd, for any kind of traumatic past that doesn't fit exactly like a piece in a puzzle in any other category. There's also a common belief that links it to NPD, which I don't agree. Anyway, I just missed the dissotiation part that might ocurred in these disorders without getting into DID because most people with cptsd suffer with memory losses, some kind of amnesia and scaping from the body and the environment. Thanks 😊
I believe i was born with a hypersensitive brain. I was very neurotic and anxious as a young child. I was hand flapping by 6 years old, while using my imagination intensely. So, i think i was born autistic. I didn't experience physical or sexual abuse, but i did experience the contrasts of some caregivers being very loving and overly spoiling me, while others emotionally abused and neglected me. So, by age 12 i was clearly displaying bpd symptoms, and i was diagnosed borderline at age 14. Clearly i also have cptsd from my upbringing as well. I believe that if i had not been born with an autistic brain, then i might not have developed bpd or cptsd, or maybe only mild cptsd from my environment. My brain primed me to develop cluster b issues and severe cptsd.
All my life I’m asking myself which Diagnose would match most. Thanks to science, everything makes more sense now. And might help me to find clarity and peace. Thanks for that sum up 😌
How does one get a proper diagnosis? I believe i may have all of these conditions, not a lot of experts who handle both neurodivergent and trauma cases
@@understandablepodcast i think so yes, i think all of the diagnosis matter. For example having cptsd and other conditions still means you have a functional sense of self, covered with trauma and attachment trauma, so doing nervous system regulation should be the key. If one for example has bpd - it means there might not be a functional sense of self underneath, and one may choose to work on different modalities. If one has bpd + adhd and cptsd it may be very difficult to apply dbt (gold standard) because one needs mindfulness and executive functioning to apply dbt. If one has bpd and adhd but not cptsd, one could get a lot of benefit from stimulant medication alone, as the nervous system isnt aggravated by cptsd. I think we desperately need medical personnel who are capable of figuring out which of these issues started, when, and then figure out a best course of action. Depending on where you are in the world, the medical staff has different levels of expertise in this field and may misdiagnose (lot of europe for example doesnt even treat adhd).
Thanks a lot for your excelent work. This is your first lesson I listen. I don't know yet if you talk also about behavioural addictions like workaholism, excessive physical practice, gaming, betting, etc. Also I dont know if you include fawning response, besides figth/fly/freeze response.
Thanks a lot for your comment! I didn't include these things in that video in particular. But they definitely do play a role and even I can relate a lot with things like workoholism. Those can be a result out of CPTSD and or Neurodivergence for sure.
"Neurodivergent" is more an opt-in sociopolitical label. It's apparently so broad & value that it can include migraines & dementia. Also doesn't need to meet criteria for any diagnosis. Fans of the labels "neurodivergent" & "neurodiversity" say "neurodiversity" applies to a population ie everyone. Whereas "neurodivergent" is different from "neurotypical". I don't find this label to be useful, especially as wants & needs end up clashing. Where relevant, I would rather say my diagnoses & features which affect me. Complex trauma is not necessarily cPTSD. My psychologist said I have complex trauma as more than one main trauma plus tangled with bipolar disorder. There is a misconception that PTSD is only one traumatic event. My primary diagnosis is PTSD & there are two main clinicially defined traumatic events. cPTSD is like combination of features of PTSD & borderline personality disorder.
That is a great question! I would say yes. Usually it's re-traumatizing and opening old wounds from the past. If you are someone with a secure attachment style, who had a great childhood, barely any past trauma and then meet a narcissist and don't understand early enough that this person is hurting and abusing you, and you still stay within that relationship, then yes. But as a securely attached person, usually you would break up asap when you recognize narcissistic behavior going on.
It's usually more betrayal trauma and trauma from abusive adult relationship not CPTSD CPTSD is related to child development deficit due to trauma effecting development
@@alyx584 eh. You can get cptsd from war. Yes, most of us are abused by our lead-infused elders, and it does tend to be a reoccurance, but I don't think ot HAS to be that specifically.
@@alyx584cptsd is COMPLEX ptsd not childhood ptsd, yes you can get it in adulthood if you suffer extensive trauma over an extended period of time as an adult.
My experience, all of them have abusive parents or other abusive authorities in their lives. I can't name them all together, or I get _____ed, but social isolation begets one, abandonment another, apathetic parenting the third.
Hi Lvy, thanks for your question. Trauma is not about what happened or if someone apologized or not. It's about your personal perception of the things that happened and about the wounds that these perceptions caused in you.
What counts is more the actions than the words but, of course, if threatening is used as a pattern it doesn't matter if they apologized or not. Forget about labels that won't help you if the relationship makes you miserable in any way. Healthy people have their downs too but they work it out between both of them without none of them being submissive to the other or giving up their rights, needs and purposes in order to keep a relationship. Relationships, healthy ones, are about evolving and sharing life along with the chosen person to make both of them better, not worse so, it's about freedom and care, not control.
@@understandablepodcast i have not tried it but it seems to be invaluable in treating the nervous system, which all of these conditions relate to in some way
This may fit or nake sense to your experience, but not the general sequence. Victimization is first in autistics and hsp just from experience/process of sensory environs. With cPTSD and BPD it is also victimization, but more interpersonal. I've never met an autistic who didn't also have relationship bullying pretty close to onset of life. You claim it is some chosen mental distorting process that leads(is that your favorite term??) to inducing victimization to said misfit. It doesn't make sense. It is the usual victim blaming. You also say so.e autistics have no issue with socializing which cancels the reality that some autistics can mask! Frosting perception is not reality. Autism also is a 'spiking profile' that is not the fixed state you describe.
I have C-PTSD, Bipolar 1, BPD, ADHD, ASD & GAD (Generalised Anxiety Disorder). But you would never know!
The only thing that keeps me on this earth is that we might have lived before and are getting another chance at living in this world
Waiting for the Cure...and it's fine. We have survived long enough under harsh conditions to through everything away just because we had another disappointment or failure. Millions of people are surviving each and every day to have something to eat, fresh water or just to live another day and if we love, for instance, sunsets, we will try to make it to see another one even if there's a storm outside. The sun always comes.
@@LyrielonwindHAHAHAHAHHAHA
So you want to live another life in this world? Sounds submissive
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"If I thought I'd have to live through a whole other life I'd kill myself right now." -Bender B. Rodriguez
As a child I was on 'high alert' for years - these high levels of cortisol must have impacted on my neural development.
Thanks for sharing that. I can relate!
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24:57 This is the best summary of this topic, I've seen so far!
Thank you so much! :)
@@understandablepodcast
It really is a great exposition of these fuzzy edges of different conditions which are usually hard to understand even to therapists.
I would like to add BPD sounds to me like a box people, especially for women with severe cptsd, for any kind of traumatic past that doesn't fit exactly like a piece in a puzzle in any other category. There's also a common belief that links it to NPD, which I don't agree.
Anyway, I just missed the dissotiation part that might ocurred in these disorders without getting into DID because most people with cptsd suffer with memory losses, some kind of amnesia and scaping from the body and the environment.
Thanks 😊
I believe i was born with a hypersensitive brain. I was very neurotic and anxious as a young child. I was hand flapping by 6 years old, while using my imagination intensely. So, i think i was born autistic. I didn't experience physical or sexual abuse, but i did experience the contrasts of some caregivers being very loving and overly spoiling me, while others emotionally abused and neglected me. So, by age 12 i was clearly displaying bpd symptoms, and i was diagnosed borderline at age 14. Clearly i also have cptsd from my upbringing as well. I believe that if i had not been born with an autistic brain, then i might not have developed bpd or cptsd, or maybe only mild cptsd from my environment. My brain primed me to develop cluster b issues and severe cptsd.
Thanks for sharing that!
I have had CPTSD autism and bipolar II . Misdiagnosed with borderline personality disorder. Assessed for and ruled out ADHD .
Thanks for sharing!
Very cool, very informative video!
Thanks a lot! :)
All my life I’m asking myself which Diagnose would match most. Thanks to science, everything makes more sense now. And might help me to find clarity and peace.
Thanks for that sum up 😌
Thanks a lot for your kind comment! :)
How does one get a proper diagnosis? I believe i may have all of these conditions, not a lot of experts who handle both neurodivergent and trauma cases
Is it necessary to have one specific diagnosis after this video? ;)
@@understandablepodcast i think so yes, i think all of the diagnosis matter.
For example having cptsd and other conditions still means you have a functional sense of self, covered with trauma and attachment trauma, so doing nervous system regulation should be the key.
If one for example has bpd - it means there might not be a functional sense of self underneath, and one may choose to work on different modalities.
If one has bpd + adhd and cptsd it may be very difficult to apply dbt (gold standard) because one needs mindfulness and executive functioning to apply dbt.
If one has bpd and adhd but not cptsd, one could get a lot of benefit from stimulant medication alone, as the nervous system isnt aggravated by cptsd.
I think we desperately need medical personnel who are capable of figuring out which of these issues started, when, and then figure out a best course of action.
Depending on where you are in the world, the medical staff has different levels of expertise in this field and may misdiagnose (lot of europe for example doesnt even treat adhd).
@@edinbrodlic4564 in order to get that, we'd need to purge the narcissists from the medical field and the DSM.
Dbt meta cog and technique training helps me then breathing and limbic switching during over loads
I'm a vet with cptsd
I'm awakened to an extreme degree as well and do not really struggle with these things but I used to
Thanks for sharing that!
Thanks a lot for your excelent work. This is your first lesson I listen. I don't know yet if you talk also about behavioural addictions like workaholism, excessive physical practice, gaming, betting, etc. Also I dont know if you include fawning response, besides figth/fly/freeze response.
Thanks a lot for your comment! I didn't include these things in that video in particular. But they definitely do play a role and even I can relate a lot with things like workoholism. Those can be a result out of CPTSD and or Neurodivergence for sure.
"Neurodivergent" is more an opt-in sociopolitical label. It's apparently so broad & value that it can include migraines & dementia. Also doesn't need to meet criteria for any diagnosis.
Fans of the labels "neurodivergent" & "neurodiversity" say "neurodiversity" applies to a population ie everyone. Whereas "neurodivergent" is different from "neurotypical".
I don't find this label to be useful, especially as wants & needs end up clashing. Where relevant, I would rather say my diagnoses & features which affect me.
Complex trauma is not necessarily cPTSD. My psychologist said I have complex trauma as more than one main trauma plus tangled with bipolar disorder. There is a misconception that PTSD is only one traumatic event. My primary diagnosis is PTSD & there are two main clinicially defined traumatic events.
cPTSD is like combination of features of PTSD & borderline personality disorder.
Thanks for that addition!
Very interesting topic! Good job! :)
Thanks a lot Espeona! :))
Can narcissistic abuse in an adult relationship cause CPTSD?
That is a great question! I would say yes.
Usually it's re-traumatizing and opening old wounds from the past.
If you are someone with a secure attachment style, who had a great childhood, barely any past trauma and then meet a narcissist and don't understand early enough that this person is hurting and abusing you, and you still stay within that relationship, then yes.
But as a securely attached person, usually you would break up asap when you recognize narcissistic behavior going on.
It's usually more betrayal trauma and trauma from abusive adult relationship not CPTSD CPTSD is related to child development deficit due to trauma effecting development
@@alyx584 eh. You can get cptsd from war. Yes, most of us are abused by our lead-infused elders, and it does tend to be a reoccurance, but I don't think ot HAS to be that specifically.
@@alyx584cptsd is COMPLEX ptsd not childhood ptsd, yes you can get it in adulthood if you suffer extensive trauma over an extended period of time as an adult.
My experience, all of them have abusive parents or other abusive authorities in their lives. I can't name them all together, or I get _____ed, but social isolation begets one, abandonment another, apathetic parenting the third.
Yes, that is a great addition!
Ahh, those were the three main components of my childhood!!! No wonder I am autistic with bpd and cptsd as well.
I've been diagnosed with all of them 👁️👃👁️💦
All the best to you❣
If someone threatened you but the threat didn t happen and maybe the person apologized does that count for criteria A ptsd
Hi Lvy, thanks for your question. Trauma is not about what happened or if someone apologized or not.
It's about your personal perception of the things that happened and about the wounds that these perceptions caused in you.
What counts is more the actions than the words but, of course, if threatening is used as a pattern it doesn't matter if they apologized or not.
Forget about labels that won't help you if the relationship makes you miserable in any way.
Healthy people have their downs too but they work it out between both of them without none of them being submissive to the other or giving up their rights, needs and purposes in order to keep a relationship.
Relationships, healthy ones, are about evolving and sharing life along with the chosen person to make both of them better, not worse so, it's about freedom and care, not control.
Have you heard of/tried neurofeedback?
No, have you tried it? What were your experiences? :)
@@understandablepodcast i have not tried it but it seems to be invaluable in treating the nervous system, which all of these conditions relate to in some way
What education does the author have?
You mean Dr. Anna Neff? She's a clinical psychologist.
Ow man, 28% is a little over 1 in 4 (25%), not a little under 1 in 3 (33.3%).
Perspective :D
Good content 😀
Thanks! Love to you, my friend!
Doesnt matter because youre never gonna get help for any of it. Also healong is just an excuse to deny you justice
Sind wir nicht alle ein bisschen Bluna?!
Auf jeden Fall. Das natürlichste der Welt. ;)
This may fit or nake sense to your experience, but not the general sequence. Victimization is first in autistics and hsp just from experience/process of sensory environs. With cPTSD and BPD it is also victimization, but more interpersonal. I've never met an autistic who didn't also have relationship bullying pretty close to onset of life.
You claim it is some chosen mental distorting process that leads(is that your favorite term??) to inducing victimization to said misfit. It doesn't make sense. It is the usual victim blaming.
You also say so.e autistics have no issue with socializing which cancels the reality that some autistics can mask! Frosting perception is not reality. Autism also is a 'spiking profile' that is not the fixed state you describe.
Thanks for adding these things. I don't believe the that the mental distorting process is "chosen".