This looks a pretty awesome mod At Isandhlwana the british troops were strung out all over the place when they needed to be tightly packed. Rorkes drift showed what should have happened if they had been tightly packed. Cool upload.
Roots of this mod can be found back in Rome Total War and defending a bridge with a unit or two of Spartan Hoplites against numerically superior Partian desert infantry.
Did we watch the same video here? Once melee combat began the British pretty much lost all hope, and were reduced to a small band fighting desperately for their lives.
im getting a new gaming pc myself from hp. i always loved the total war series for its historical background and superbly sophisticated gameplay. cant wait to get back to my other favorite games like empire and napoleon!
Yes they are. The Zulu wars took place in the later half of the 19th century, by which point Great Britain was using the Henry-martini breech loader rifle.
The British managed to get the upper hand after the battle at Rorke's Drift, and subsequently win the war with the Zulu being defeated at the Battle of Ulundi on July 4. Rorke's drift was a dutch missionary in the heart of zulu lands
I just noticed something. If you look very closely, you can actually see John Cleese and Michael Palin walking across the carnage in order to get to Eric Idle's tent.
@LaughingGravy31 I was referring to the video, which is a video GAME. But thanks for explaining why the game may have been made so that the British units died so quickly in melee.
I think there should be a total war game that streachs from 1760 to 1920. You start out with infantry armed with muskets, muzzle loading smooth bore cannon, wooden sailing ships and at the end of the game you have machine guns, early tanks, Biplanes and massive steel armored battleships armed with guns up to 18 inch calibur that is able hit targets from almost over the horizon. The largest end game battleships would be based on ww1 designs that were planned but never completed
"On December 11, 1878, agents of the British delivered an ultimatum to 11 chiefs representing Cetshwayo. The terms forced upon Cetshwayo required him to disband his army and accept British authority. Cetshwayo refused, and war followed at the start of 1879. During the war, the Zulus defeated the British at the Battle of Isandlwana on January 22.
Left flank: completely overwhelmed in 10 seconds right flank: soldier:'' what's up with the party at the left flank? they get to party...we get to stand...''
I wish people would stop saying that about Empire, it was broken on "launch" which was YEARS ago - since then it has had 6 HUGE patches and its GREAT! Empire has a larger Campaign and more options but Napoleon is much more polished but a smaller campaign, more focused. I would get get Empire first, but you might want to wait for the steam sales, they often sell a Empire&Napoleon set for like 5-7pounds.
"History is written by the victor" what this quote means is we don't know what happened because Great Britain won the war which means they can put what ever they won't in the history books and you can't prove it's accurate unless you were there.
Disraeli did an awesome job at the Munich Conference - got us Cyprus too. However it was Salisbury doing all the work and Disraeli providing the charisma. Just another reason Salisbury was the best haha :D
@ThePHOXman Pretty sure it's a custom sound for the Martini-Henry rifles the British were using at this time. The muskets and flintlock rifles of the vanilla game have different sounds.
Well that's what the Bayonet's are for. I mean allot of what happened in Rourke's drift was British soldiers using their bayonet's to defend themselves when the Zulu's breached the defences.
Actually the Zulu's invaded what was regarded as Natal, a predominantly Boer/Akrikaaner state that was in essence a British protectorate. This was after the British demanded that their King Chetawo (spelling) disband his army, following frequent border skirmishes with the local population. The Zulu's are from further North along the eastern coast of Africa and should be added, killed far more 'Africans' in their journey south than the British have ever killed in Africa.
At Rorkes Drift, the Zulus had more firearms than the British; some of them were excellent shots. In fact, there were more wounds sustained by the British from gunshots than spears.
i just recently got my pc and i have loved every minute when im playing on it. made me want to buy more games for pc than xbox. the graphics on games like skyrim are just amazing.
@kelman221 ""I realise that Zulu have an advabtage in melee with their weapons and shields, but those Brits apparently did not know how to use their bayonets."" Yes they did and the Zulus greatly feared the British bayonet. However, when close in fighting is VERY packed and tight then a Martini Henry rifle with a bayonet on the end is a VERY long and cumbersome weapon and cannot be used as well as the Zulus' short stabbing spears which were more manoeuvrable.
The massive stalemate of Trench warfare only occur in Western European Front and the Danderelles campgain. Other theaters of ww1 such as the Russian Front, Palastian Front and the African front were highly mobile. Anyway by late 1917 and 1918 the stalemate of Trench Warfare was broken thanks to new technology and tactics that were develope during the painful lessons commanders had learned over the 3 years of near futile bloodshed
If you are talking about Rorkes Drift there was 4,000 Zulus and 150 British soldiers and at Isandlwana there was 18,000 Zulus and 1,200 British soldiers.
Also have to take terrain into the factor. That battle took place on a wide open field. Sure the Brits had a clear open field of fire but the zulu's number can more easily overwhelm them on all sides. If the superiors had half a brain they should ordered those soldiers back to tighter quarters where the numbers wouldn't be as daunting and would have probably fared much better or even won.
excellent. I am unsure who won but it seems to me that the zulus in the movie zulu dawn far outnumbered the brits. This digital simulation looked like a ferocious conflict. Well done!
Oh, how could I forget the music! I guess the original mod had actual music from the movie Zulu which was excellent, but I guess that had to remove it because of copy rights, and replace it with music that's mmm okay, but much more suited for an American western battle, but what I really don't like about some of it is it makes me think of the old beef "It's what's for dinner" commercials. Tried replacing the music in the mod with the music from both Zulu, and Zulu Dawn movies which both had excellent music, into the game music files, but for some reason it only plays the music I put in on start up and setup, but plays the same old western music during the game...errrr! Obviously I replace the wrong music files, but I can't find the right ones anywhere? :(
I am surprised you weren't able to hold the line. I would have sent 2 regiments into melee combat and let the remaining force pull back to create a new battle line.
also even though new components come out every year, the good thing about about is that the components from the last couple of years get a price cut. so you will still be able to play some top games at high settings at a cheaper price.
@A0Refrigerator Cinematic effect, just wanted to keep everything close together for a cool visceral battle, i would normally spread them out into 3 or 2 ranks.
Yes, the Mongols had very good strategy. They conquered Empire of China, Persia, and Turks. Although European armor was pretty decent against the Mongol swords, the Mongols used the open terrain and their calvary in guerrilla warfare against the Eastern European. Pretty much half of East European fell to the Mongols within a few years after arrival. The Zulu's main advantage is their not afraid of dying and will attack until winning.
Still, to look at one side as being right and the other wrong in such a way where you end up seeing the most powerful as the Bad Guys and the underdog as the good guys, it becomes bias.
Actually thats where you might be wrong. Zulu's shield can withstand up to 30 pound force of any missle attacks. Also Zulu's war chant makes them impervious to fleeing or becoming cowards. Zulu's will probably lose a lot but their close combat damage makes up for their losses. I still say Zulu has a 50/50 chance of winning.
At this time the Zulu empire was no longer expanding. The British wanted their territory and gave them impossible terms. Sort of like what the Austria-Hungarian empire did to the Serbs, an act which precipitated WWI.
I hope Total War finds a way to make a WW1 game. How epic would that be? It would be a completely different monster of a game. Smaller more deadlier units taking cover and going prone wherever they can. Mortar and heavy artillery strikes tearing up the landscape. Trenches. Experimental tanks. I hope they do one day.
By 1868 the had Gattling Guns, sorry not as good as MG42's. But they did deploy them in other battles too with great success. I thinlk the British used them in their last battle against the Zulus with great success. So, they did work for sure.
Great Britain still had the square formation during this time period too? Going to have to read into this. You should be able to combine up to 4 line infantry units to form a square!!! Or just use 1 unit to do square. But 4 line infantry units in square plus cav in center is good tactic! :D
yeah exactly. Im not a pc enthusiast but i love total war games. Ever since ive got into the series, ive never been able to play on high settings, feel like im missing out.
The way the British obtained the South of Africa ,was hence. Shaka barely survived an asassination attempt by rival tribes. and was treated by a small group of british traders.he survived and whilst delirious was shown a document roughly ceding a seventh of the Zulu Kingdom . The British then took this as a reasonable claim to the South of Africa and thus dispossed not by war but trickery the Rightful Conquerors. Interestingly at Isandlwana the British were utterly routed, you are SA ?
@GeneralBlackNorway Thats why i'm looking forward to Fall of the Samurai. Custom Battle, I'll have 3xGatling guns Left/Centre/Right and I'll give the AI as many Samurais as i can and see if they can get me. I'll post it here if its any good haha!
@hassmanSMO The fight where you believe 15,000 britons died is false. (The Battle of Isandlwana) It was actually 1,500 britons AT THE BATTLE, which at least 100 survived. Also, the fight in the ''town'' (The Battle of Rorke's Drift) was actually a fight around a mission station, with 150 britons and 4,000 zulu's. Also, ''only'' 11 victoria crosses were handed out after the battle of Rorke's Drift, not 20.
I disagee, Napoleon and Fall of the Samurai were well recieved. I know Rome is still the most celebrated title but in my opinion, all TW games have been phenomenal, including the two I mentioned above.
I really wish CA would make a TW game set during the mid to late 19th centruy (Victoria Total War???), involving the American Civil War, the Franco-Prussian War, European colonialism, and like in this video, the Anglo-Zulu war. Love to see the Battle of Rorke's Drift recreated in a TW game. While this is just a mod it does give me a glimpse of what could be.
no, that was the downside of me building my own computer. you cannot get a bundle deal with a monitor. if you already have one now it wouldnt be bad but if you needed a new one than that could cost 100-150 depending on size and quality
Just like Isandlwana, the British shifted positions too late. Amusing.
this is the best mod ive ever seen on any total war game. they are even better than the normal game
This looks a pretty awesome mod
At Isandhlwana the british troops were strung out all over the place when they needed to be tightly packed.
Rorkes drift showed what should have happened if they had been tightly packed.
Cool upload.
wow what brave men, fighting natives with guns and cannons while the enemies have spears... brave
Very good and even the character emblems which are priceless well done
I love the smoke, and the voice effects. Maybe the Zulu's could get more sound effects, chanting, yells, etc? Was fun to watch.
Roots of this mod can be found back in Rome Total War and defending a bridge with a unit or two of Spartan Hoplites against numerically superior Partian desert infantry.
Did we watch the same video here? Once melee combat began the British pretty much lost all hope, and were reduced to a small band fighting desperately for their lives.
Remember this quote from Zulu Dawn film 1979:- "But bullets run out and those bloody spears don't"
im getting a new gaming pc myself from hp. i always loved the total war series for its historical background and superbly sophisticated gameplay. cant wait to get back to my other favorite games like empire and napoleon!
Yes they are. The Zulu wars took place in the later half of the 19th century, by which point Great Britain was using the Henry-martini breech loader rifle.
The British managed to get the upper hand after the battle at Rorke's Drift, and subsequently win the war with the Zulu being defeated at the Battle of Ulundi on July 4. Rorke's drift was a dutch missionary in the heart of zulu lands
I just noticed something. If you look very closely, you can actually see John Cleese and Michael Palin walking across the carnage in order to get to Eric Idle's tent.
@LaughingGravy31 I was referring to the video, which is a video GAME. But thanks for explaining why the game may have been made so that the British units died so quickly in melee.
Wow you've even got the mountain in the background, just like rourkes drift
@SebastianusCaesar Works on all the "modern" Total War games, Just select the unit then press the "Insert" Key to go first person.
I think there should be a total war game that streachs from 1760 to 1920. You start out with infantry armed with muskets, muzzle loading smooth bore cannon, wooden sailing ships and at the end of the game you have machine guns, early tanks, Biplanes and massive steel armored battleships armed with guns up to 18 inch calibur that is able hit targets from almost over the horizon. The largest end game battleships would be based on ww1 designs that were planned but never completed
"On December 11, 1878, agents of the British delivered an ultimatum to 11 chiefs representing Cetshwayo. The terms forced upon Cetshwayo required him to disband his army and accept British authority. Cetshwayo refused, and war followed at the start of 1879. During the war, the Zulus defeated the British at the Battle of Isandlwana on January 22.
Most battles in the war had Zulu casualties in the thousands, and British a few dozen.
Left flank: completely overwhelmed in 10 seconds
right flank: soldier:'' what's up with the party at the left flank? they get to party...we get to stand...''
0
I wish people would stop saying that about Empire, it was broken on "launch" which was YEARS ago - since then it has had 6 HUGE patches and its GREAT!
Empire has a larger Campaign and more options but Napoleon is much more polished but a smaller campaign, more focused. I would get get Empire first, but you might want to wait for the steam sales, they often sell a Empire&Napoleon set for like 5-7pounds.
"History is written by the victor" what this quote means is we don't know what happened because Great Britain won the war which means they can put what ever they won't in the history books and you can't prove it's accurate unless you were there.
Paradox Interactive:
That's why you should never colonize before the invention of machine guns.
Disraeli did an awesome job at the Munich Conference - got us Cyprus too. However it was Salisbury doing all the work and Disraeli providing the charisma. Just another reason Salisbury was the best haha :D
@ThePHOXman Pretty sure it's a custom sound for the Martini-Henry rifles the British were using at this time. The muskets and flintlock rifles of the vanilla game have different sounds.
I realise that Zulu have an advabtage in melee with their weapons and shields, but those Brits apparently did not know how to use their bayonets.
You know what I mean. It's like shooting a hoarde of zombies. They don't have guns or artillery to back them up.
Well that's what the Bayonet's are for. I mean allot of what happened in Rourke's drift was British soldiers using their bayonet's to defend themselves when the Zulu's breached the defences.
Actually the Zulu's invaded what was regarded as Natal, a predominantly Boer/Akrikaaner state that was in essence a British protectorate. This was after the British demanded that their King Chetawo (spelling) disband his army, following frequent border skirmishes with the local population. The Zulu's are from further North along the eastern coast of Africa and should be added, killed far more 'Africans' in their journey south than the British have ever killed in Africa.
I think he'll need some ointment and bandages for that burnt and bleeding heart.
the audio on that was fantastic
At Rorkes Drift, the Zulus had more firearms than the British; some of them were excellent shots. In fact, there were more wounds sustained by the British from gunshots than spears.
i just recently got my pc and i have loved every minute when im playing on it. made me want to buy more games for pc than xbox. the graphics on games like skyrim are just amazing.
@jedq its a mod for the game, if you google "total war centre" you can find it.
@kelman221
""I realise that Zulu have an advabtage in melee with their weapons and shields, but those Brits apparently did not know how to use their bayonets.""
Yes they did and the Zulus greatly feared the British bayonet.
However, when close in fighting is VERY packed and tight then a Martini Henry rifle with a bayonet on the end is a VERY long and cumbersome weapon and cannot be used as well as the Zulus' short stabbing spears which were more manoeuvrable.
The massive stalemate of Trench warfare only occur in Western European Front and the Danderelles campgain. Other theaters of ww1 such as the Russian Front, Palastian Front and the African front were highly mobile. Anyway by late 1917 and 1918 the stalemate of Trench Warfare was broken thanks to new technology and tactics that were develope during the painful lessons commanders had learned over the 3 years of near futile bloodshed
Men of Harlech, stop your dreaming
Can't you see their spearpoints gleaming
See their warrior pennants streaming
To this battle field
@ShovelHorse click on the unit and press the "Insert" key, then you can scroll with the mouse to choose a unit.
If you are talking about Rorkes Drift there was 4,000 Zulus and 150 British soldiers and at Isandlwana there was 18,000 Zulus and 1,200 British soldiers.
Also have to take terrain into the factor. That battle took place on a wide open field. Sure the Brits had a clear open field of fire but the zulu's number can more easily overwhelm them on all sides. If the superiors had half a brain they should ordered those soldiers back to tighter quarters where the numbers wouldn't be as daunting and would have probably fared much better or even won.
shows how little history of the zulu nation you know.
@SOUNDWAVEMAN Its the PC game Napoleon Total War (Which is awesome) but the video above showing a free mod for you can get for that game.
excellent. I am unsure who won but it seems to me that the zulus in the movie zulu dawn far outnumbered the brits. This digital simulation looked like a ferocious conflict. Well done!
Oh, how could I forget the music! I guess the original mod had actual music from the movie Zulu which was excellent, but I guess that had to remove it because of copy rights, and replace it with music that's mmm okay, but much more suited for an American western battle, but what I really don't like about some of it is it makes me think of the old beef "It's what's for dinner" commercials.
Tried replacing the music in the mod with the music from both Zulu, and Zulu Dawn movies which both had excellent music, into the game music files, but for some reason it only plays the music I put in on start up and setup, but plays the same old western music during the game...errrr! Obviously I replace the wrong music files, but I can't find the right ones anywhere? :(
I am surprised you weren't able to hold the line. I would have sent 2 regiments into melee combat and let the remaining force pull back to create a new battle line.
also even though new components come out every year, the good thing about about is that the components from the last couple of years get a price cut. so you will still be able to play some top games at high settings at a cheaper price.
I do believe he is referring to Zulu invasions of territory of tribes under the protection of Britain.
"Stand fast!!" 2secs later the Reds "haul-ass." Good times.
The British weren't invading, they were holding the land that they owned.
@A0Refrigerator Cinematic effect, just wanted to keep everything close together for a cool visceral battle, i would normally spread them out into 3 or 2 ranks.
Yeah i might build my own pc, its cheaper, just gotta make sure i get it before the next total war game. Do you know what era they're setting it in?
Yes, the Mongols had very good strategy. They conquered Empire of China, Persia, and Turks. Although European armor was pretty decent against the Mongol swords, the Mongols used the open terrain and their calvary in guerrilla warfare against the Eastern European. Pretty much half of East European fell to the Mongols within a few years after arrival. The Zulu's main advantage is their not afraid of dying and will attack until winning.
@ZuluSmasher I have Napoleon Total war but where do i go to find/download this mod...i must have it
Still, to look at one side as being right and the other wrong in such a way where you end up seeing the most powerful as the Bad Guys and the underdog as the good guys, it becomes bias.
Which game is more fun, Empire TW or Napleon TW? I was planning to get ETW but I heard it was "broken." Which game has better mods?
um what are those soldiers in the blue jackets armed whit
To bad you didn't have any cows to throw in, because if you did you would've decisive turning the tide of battle in your favor.
zulu have two unit types: spearmen, and slightly blacker spearmen.
Napoleon Total War with the Zulu mod how do you get the barricades on?
that had to be the most organized retreat ever at about 3:00.
i dont think they would have much luck shooting through the wagons in real life lol
I want this Mod! Soon as I saw that mountain my first thought was Isandlwana.
you would never find zulus in terrain like this ._.
Actually thats where you might be wrong. Zulu's shield can withstand up to 30 pound force of any missle attacks. Also Zulu's war chant makes them impervious to fleeing or becoming cowards. Zulu's will probably lose a lot but their close combat damage makes up for their losses. I still say Zulu has a 50/50 chance of winning.
Mark your targets, look to your front.
@ZenPhilosopher123 I dont think maxim guns were used on the zulu until the 1906 zulu rebellion.
I love how they fire in ranks
What is that "tat tat tat tat, clek clek" sound?
At this time the Zulu empire was no longer expanding. The British wanted their territory and gave them impossible terms. Sort of like what the Austria-Hungarian empire did to the Serbs, an act which precipitated WWI.
Didn't the British only have around 300 men when the actual battle was over??
@ZenPhilosopher123 Longer ranks means more guns firing so it might have helped (can only have 3 deep maximum though) and yes you can get maxim guns.
I hope Total War finds a way to make a WW1 game. How epic would that be? It would be a completely different monster of a game. Smaller more deadlier units taking cover and going prone wherever they can. Mortar and heavy artillery strikes tearing up the landscape. Trenches. Experimental tanks. I hope they do one day.
There is a really nice ACW mod for ETW which even has a campaign, you should try it out!
I also find it funny that the Zulu wins the battle.
By 1868 the had Gattling Guns, sorry not as good as MG42's. But they did deploy them in other battles too with great success. I thinlk the British used them in their last battle against the Zulus with great success. So, they did work for sure.
they got a piece of bark protecting them... makes them fair game if their running at you with a big ass war club too...
i'm waitin' for Shogun 2 's expansion pack. i've heard that teh modern breech loading rifles will officially appear for the first time in the series.
You need to do another new video. Zulu Versus Mongolian Horde. IT'd be EPIC!
@themindofben Yes it does, i'm playing it on steam in the video.
With gun and and rifles against spears, Congrat !!!
All you have to do is read the information: "A Napoleon Total War Mod" so its a mod for Napoleon Total War.
Great Britain still had the square formation during this time period too? Going to have to read into this. You should be able to combine up to 4 line infantry units to form a square!!! Or just use 1 unit to do square. But 4 line infantry units in square plus cav in center is good tactic! :D
Just check your dates. The principal of slavery may have been abolished by the time the Zulu wars began at least from a British context.
+1 for zulu for terrain choice
yeah exactly. Im not a pc enthusiast but i love total war games. Ever since ive got into the series, ive never been able to play on high settings, feel like im missing out.
The way the British obtained the South of Africa ,was hence.
Shaka barely survived an asassination attempt by rival tribes. and was treated by a small group of british traders.he survived and whilst delirious
was shown a document roughly ceding a seventh of the Zulu Kingdom .
The British then took this as a reasonable claim to the South of Africa
and thus dispossed not by war but trickery the Rightful Conquerors.
Interestingly at Isandlwana the British were utterly routed, you are SA ?
the zulus invaded land that had been invaded by the british
Do the guns sound like this in Napoleon? Or is this the mod? Anyone answer please?
@ajbenius I know I know . It was just called that beacause of no huge long devastating, boarder changing wars
please tell me i heard gatling guns and please tell me u can get them in the mod
@GeneralBlackNorway Thats why i'm looking forward to Fall of the Samurai.
Custom Battle, I'll have 3xGatling guns Left/Centre/Right and I'll give the AI as many Samurais as i can and see if they can get me.
I'll post it here if its any good haha!
@hassmanSMO The fight where you believe 15,000 britons died is false. (The Battle of Isandlwana) It was actually 1,500 britons AT THE BATTLE, which at least 100 survived. Also, the fight in the ''town'' (The Battle of Rorke's Drift) was actually a fight around a mission station, with 150 britons and 4,000 zulu's. Also, ''only'' 11 victoria crosses were handed out after the battle of Rorke's Drift, not 20.
in a open battle like that the zulus should not get anywhere close. is the accurace really low for the british
@MrAlphacenturi Thank you very much.
I disagee, Napoleon and Fall of the Samurai were well recieved. I know Rome is still the most celebrated title but in my opinion, all TW games have been phenomenal, including the two I mentioned above.
I really wish CA would make a TW game set during the mid to late 19th centruy (Victoria Total War???), involving the American Civil War, the Franco-Prussian War, European colonialism, and like in this video, the Anglo-Zulu war. Love to see the Battle of Rorke's Drift recreated in a TW game. While this is just a mod it does give me a glimpse of what could be.
how did you go to first person bullet when the english fired?
I know, thanks for you comments I was just mad at the other guy.
zulu were great fighters
no, that was the downside of me building my own computer. you cannot get a bundle deal with a monitor. if you already have one now it wouldnt be bad but if you needed a new one than that could cost 100-150 depending on size and quality