Story 2 - Wait a minute, if she was quoted ‘$72’ then why did she only bring $70? And the officer should’ve given Karen a fine for wasting police time and causing a ruckus in the store.
@@tmntfangirl4700 She was probably planning to wheedle a discount out of them, pleading 'it's only two dollars, can't you write it off' or something. And I don't know if she got cited by the cop, but the way she returned and got her stuff and paid in full without a word leads me to believe that the reason the cop took her outside to talk to her was to give her a not-so-polite dressing down and a picture of what would happen to her if she did it again.
Story 3: When cops give you two chances to just cut your losses and go home is basically the real life equivalent of the DM asking the player "Are you sure you want to do this?"
Story 2: Sounds like the officer actually took Karen’s information to file an official warning. Meaning her misuse of 911 was documented and if it happens again she’ll likely be charged.
That last comment on story 4 was completely wrong. They don’t announce midflight that the Captain has died and there’s always more than one pilot fully capable of flying the aircraft. They typically announce that there’s been some form of emergency, but not what it is.
Yes. And obviously, the commenter is so stupid that they didn't consider that the point of having a co-pilot is there being someone to fly the plane if the pilot is incapacitated in any way. What if during the next several hours of that 7-hour flight, the co-pilot became incapacitated? Who is going to fly the plane then, genius?
@@nadinesharp9766 This is two reasons why the co-pilot made the decision to divert and land at the nearest airfield with a Deceased Pilot Extraction Kit. A. The co-pilot wouldn't want to spend the next seven hours flying with a corpse beside him (or her). B. The plane will spend the shortest time in the air 'Just In Case' the co-pilot also becomes incapacitated... Also, nowhere does it state that there was a public announcement that the pilot had climbed the curtain. Much more likely the co-pilot got on the system and announced a diversion "for a medical emergency". Even OP only found out by looking into the company record of that flight. But still, the airline should have *already* offered every passenger compensation of some sort. You shouldn't get irate passengers screaming for it.
@sarumano884 How do you know they didn't give compensation? This idiot could have called while they were taking the deceased off the plane for all we know. Having someone die in the air, especially the pilot, isn't something that happens every day. They could have been waiting until the man's family had been notified or been in the process of determining just what they were going to give, and he called being an a$$ before anything had been determined. Regardless, this guy was a heartless, selfish bas***d. How dare some guy die and you miss getting to see a woman showing you her boobs or you getting a lap dance at a bachelor party. There are ways to be assertive and ask for compensation without being a total insensitive douche like this jackwagon.
@nadinesharp9766 And what if a specific bolt in both steering gears broke and neither pilot could steer even if they were able. What if the engines all spontaneously stop working. What if a meteor suddenly strikes the plane. What if there was actually 4 pilots and all 4 of them became unable. You may as well just stop living now if you're always going to "What if". There is a point at which it's no longer reasonable to concern yourself over the minutiae. There is a point at which you are planning for something that is statistically improbable to ever occur, For example, You wouldn't build a skyscraper to withstand magnitutde 7 earth quakes in an area that has never even HAD an earthquake. And you wouldn't build a structure to withstand tidal waves in wyoming, which is a good couple thousand miles from the nearest sea shore. There's already a great deal of redundancy in planes, It's already incredibly unlikely for even a single pilot to experience problems that make them spontaneously unfit for duty in the middle of a trip, Having a second pilot reduces that to a number so much smaller that it's unreasonable. Point of fact, Despite there being about 10,000 commercial flights in the sky at any given time, millions and millions of flights since we implemented the 2 pilot system, There has not been a single instance of both pilots being incapacitated at once. Not one. Will it happen some day? Sure, The probability isn't a flat 0. It's more like 0.000000000001% chance. So it's not a 0% chance; It COULLD happen, it WILL almost certainly eventually happen. And it will be a terrible day for the people involved and the families who lost... But it's unreasonable to expect anyone to plan for something so unbelievably improbable. There is no way TO plan for something so unbelievably improbable, Because any system you devise short of "Just ground all flights forever more, we're not allowed to fly ever again" is going to have it's own 0.0000000000001% chance that the right sequence of things going wrong will occur. And that is true of trains, and that is true of monorails, and that is true of driving, and that is true of riding a bicycle, of walking, of simply taking a breath- You might accidentally inhale a bit of saliva that obstructs your airways and suffocates you to death. Improbable- But it could, in theory, happen. That's... just how the universe works. Shit happens.
Story 1 - Karen got a Double if not Triple whammy of Karma that day. Violating a store ban/restraining order, ignoring the obvious ‘closed’ lanes in the store, purposely attacking someone who was minding their own business and working, then trying to sue the store and OP for the incident and the injuries that she got? Yeah I can see the judge crumpling up Karen’s lawsuit after reading the file and watching the video recording.
Judge wouldnt have even needed to watch the video recording. Court clerks likely put the charge sheet on the top of the pile of paperwork so the judge knew there was a criminal element to the court case.
Story 1 ... for those who don't know legal jargon, when a case is dismissed "with prejudice" all that means is the lady cannot try to reopen the lawsuit in some other manner. The case is forever locked "closed" unless she pays to file an appeal (which means a LOT of extra money without any refund if it gets tossed again).
Whenever I read a story about a Karen in court, I always hope it includes the judge ruling against her and the Karen going Karen in court and getting in further trouble for it; in particular, a scenario where the judge issues a sentence that includes the words "contingent upon a psychiatric evaluation", which sets Karen off on a rampage, screeching like a banshee that she isn't crazy.
Calling the cops over no refunds - at my last true retail job we had a customer do that. She was past the refund policy deadline by a couple of months. But she still felt we owed her and was screaming up and down about “I KNOW MY RIGHTS!” etc. Then she went to the lobby and was sobbing to 911 about it. I wasn’t there for the cops showing up but I know she still didn’t get the refund.
For the last story. As someone who has worked in the customer service side of airline travel for over a decade, I can confidently say the customers were not entitled to any compensation beyond rebooking to their final destination. FAA regulations require customer compensation when it's the airlines fault. It is referred to as the "Contract of Carry". The pilot dying mid flight is not something the airline could control or predict which nullifies any need to to provide monetary compensation, hotel compensation, or voucher compensation. I'm all about people getting compensated for their troubles, but the airline clearly wasn't at fault for this incident. That guy in the last story was a callous piece of trash and deserved nothing.
Maybe the passengers should have opted for the insurance on their ticket prices, enacting the “act of God” clause, because that’s certainly what happened in this case. But in all seriousness, I can see both sides of the issue. Late because of weather? No refund. Late because of a mechanical issue that was entirely preventable? Refund. Late because a bird randomly flew into one of the engines? No refund. Late because one of the pilots drank a bit too much the night before and got to the airport late? Refund, and disciplinary action on the pilot. Late because a flight attendant didn’t make it on time? That 10000% depends on the situation…did they sleep in? Refund. Were they attacked and assaulted? No refund, because that’s horrifying. My point is that this should be an entirely subjective case-by-case situation, and in the case of the pilot passing away, I can see it going either way, but I understand the argument of why no refund.
@@guitarbass22This exactly. I have never gotten compensation for an act of god. My worst experience was extreme weather & we just got rebooked for a day later & a free overnight hotel stay.
@@guitarbass22 The death of a pilot mid flight is definitely an "act of god". That is out of control of the airline. Only if the pilot had a known health condition and the airline made him fly regardless of that would make them liable.
@@guitarbass22 no either way it could have gone either way. do you know when you're going to die? if you can answer me that? ill concede. but nothing in this world would make me believe otherwise. certainly not a dumb thing like this. because that logic is 100% DUMB.
🥺💔🥺 *Last story* *Maybe I am an anomaly, but there is NO way in hell I would ever expect compensation from an airline when the Captain literally PASSED AWAY during the flight?!* *Seriously.. it bothers me how many people think they should have been!* 🤯🙄🤦
Eh, I don’t think there is a legal claim, akin to an act of god. That being said, perhaps a gesture of goodwill, on behalf of the multi-million dollar corporation might’ve been in their interest, seeing how I can imagine the death of a pilot - while not cause by the airline - might still put a dampener on the mood of a vacation. Treating the death of the pilot merely as an inconvenience seems cold, yes, I will not devils-advocate that. What I think one could argue though, is that the airline equally looked at the situation pretty coldly, by treating the death of the pilot as a mere delay due to turbulence.
@@thebrokegothgirl Hey, you’re obviously a troll, but eh, I’ll bite. It’s not the *corporation* that is grieving, it’s the *family*. A corporation don’t have emotions, *people do*. The issue here is not “oh, the traveler was heartless”, the issue here is that the *airline* is using the *grieving family* as an excuse.
The pilot dying is literally why there's a co-pilot. That said, I would never have advocated that the flight continue to its planned destination when there was a closer place to land and deal with the deceased and the requirement for two people to be in control. I also don't think the passengers would have any valid claim for compensation, whether legally or morally, although it would have "been nice" if the airline had offered something purely as a matter of good-will. (But really... this sounds like yet another fantasy tale. I'm sure that if it happened in real life, it would be world-wide news, not something buried in a story on reddit).
Last story Fluff : there are strict rules about compensation due to flight delay. it must be something the company is responsible for (so not due to natural disaster, weather or in this case someone dying on the flight).
Yeah, I don't understand the reasoning here. It's not the airline's fault that the pilot died. Even if they told the passengers the full situation (which I sincerely doubt, I'm sure they gave a vague 'we have to make an unexpected stop' excuse to avoid extra trouble), the airline isn't responsible for them feeling anxious or upset about it.
Story 3 absolutely 100%. Agree that it is not op's fault. It is that guy's fault that he is going to jail. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that he was found guilty and spent a lot of time in jail
Story 4: That poor Pilot's family. My sister did something similar. About 10 years ago the Doctor my dad and her have been going to for years died in a small plane crash with his son. Of course the first thing my rents said was "Oh how horrible, he was so young, what about his wife and other kids.' My sister?.... "Oh great! Now I gotta go hunt for a new Doctor!"
#2 - OP has my sympathy. I worked at a satellite storefront for a dry cleaner. One evening, just before close, this woman came up, parked in the fire lane, came inside with only $6 cash or so and wanted to pick up three dresses she'd had dry cleaned. At the time I think dresses without pleats were about $7 each. She threw a fit, asked me to lend her the difference, went outside to check her minivan for change (which was full of bags of toys and groceries she's just bought at Walmart), came back inside and threw a bunch of change at me and screamed when I told her she could have one of the three. This was a year or two before 2000, so yes, Karens and entitled clueless people have been around for that long and more.
I used to hang out with this girl ages ago and admittedly when you gauge us she was physically out of my league but my charm won out. On one occasion we were stuck in a traffic snafu and she was going off the deep end because we were going to be late (to what I still don't know...to this very day...we weren't going anywhere with a reservation, just heading out to eat). We finally make it to where the the paramedics are working and this woman leans out the window (she was driving btw) and shouts, "What the f**k!? Somebody better be dead!" The closest paramedic looked over at her says, "Someone did. Have a better day." She turned white a sheet and slunk back into the driver's seat...and managed to find a couple of extra inches of depth that the manufacturer hadn't intended you to find. The remainder of the evening was conspicuously quiet and yeah, we didn't hang out after that. I never wanted to be associated with someone with such wickedness in their heart. This legit came out of nowhere, too because I've seen her handle deep rooted racism and adversity with poise...I guess THAT version of her was out to lunch.
Story 2: Her: DO YOU WANT MY HUSBAND TO MURDER ME OVER 10 DOLLARS??? Me: Yes Ma'am, that would sure make things easier for ME. I don't suppose you could go back home and yell at him the exact same way you're yelling at me just to push him over the edge for me, could yuh? I'd be much obliged.
Story two. My brother told me the guy outside our house was going to kill him if I didn’t give him $30. I told him no. After him begging for another ten minutes, he jumps in the car with the same guy and rode away. I know liars. I was raised with one.
This is why I make sure everyone, even random passersby, are fully aware I have 3 large dogs and guns. Makes cowardly little twats like that not even bother coming in my sphere of reality lmao. Disabled old lady? Sure. Easy mark? haha no.
I’m sure the passengers in the last story were offered seats on a later connection either home or to their destination. There is no way the airline left them stranded in a random city when they were contracted to take them to a specific destination. That would be a breach of contract. And to honestly not have sympathy for a man who died, Captain or not, is disgusting. I feel bad for that co-pilot who must have been stressed out of their box in a situation like that..
Story 4: This is why you should always be polite to CSRs when you are asking them to do you a favor. If the caller was polite and understanding, maybe OP could have gotten them something. But, since you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar, being an a-hole discourages a CSR from going out of their way for you.
Not sure how she expected the lawsuit to end she knew there was both a police report and camera saying she was at fault yet went ahead with the lawsuit? All she did was waste money on a lawyer.
More of a case she left out the part regarding that she had been arrested and charged for assault and trespass. You can bet that the lawyer knew nothing about it until OP got called to give his disposition, however the judge ruling the case immediately would have seen the charge sheet, which quite often gets put on top of the pile by the clerks so a judge can see there is a criminal side to it. The moment they see that the defendant is a victim of the claimant they will immediately dismiss the case and rule that it cant be refiled in any fashion.
Story one: she was previously banned from the store for bad behavior. She goes in and kick somebody? No she didn’t learn her lesson. She’s gonna go back and do approximately the same thing. Some people never ever learn. Story two: well, if she “thinks” the bill is $72 why did she only have 70 on her? Talk about unhinged. Story Four. Some people are dirt. Just dirt.
Same with Story 1. Karen knew that she shouldn’t be there and she got 3x the normal Karma handed to her because of it, and props to the judge for dismissing the subpoena because OP had the right to defend oneself for what Karen did.
Story 2--that lady was trying to get her laundry at a 13% discount. Once she had gotten it down to $72, she was going to say all she had was $70 and could she PUHLEASE have her clothes for that amount? She was probably used to haggling and swindling merchants. I have seen this in retail, especially people from poorer countries. Bartering is a way of life.
Story 3: My guy could have taken the Xbox to any place that sells pre-owned consoles and they’d have happily taken it off his hands. Heck possibly could have traded it in towards a PlayStation depending on where he went
AFAIK in Europe you get compensated if a plane is late for more than 2 hours. It does not actually matter why the plane is delayed or if the airline could prevent it; simple fact is: the airline had a contract to bring a passenter to destination X at time Y and they did not do it.
That's ridiculous. Airlines should not have to compensate people for acts of God like weather or catastrophic illness or death. They're called acts of God because they're things over which man has no control.
Depends on the distance of the flight. It's called "Your right to care" and basically under EU/UK law they have to provide food and drinks, access to emails/phone calls, and accommodation if you are delayed overnight, plus the cost of the journey between the airport and hotel. It also depends on the distance of your flight on when that actually kicks in. If your flight is less than 1500km, then its 2 hours, if between 1500km and 3500km, then its 3 hours, and if its over 3500km, then its 4 hours. Also, it DOES matter why the plane was delayed. If its something OUTSIDE the airlines control then you will NOT be compensated by the airline. You only get compensated financially if the flight is delayed more than 3 hours AND the delay is the airline's fault (eg, technical issues, not enought bookings, etc). That compensation then depends on the distance you are going, the same three factors listed above gives the amount, 3500km = 600 Euro for non-Euro flights. If your flight is delayed 5 hours or more you can get both a refund and compensation. If you choose not to take the flight after that you can also have them pay for your flight back to your previous airport if you were mid-way on your trip. Also to add, this is why you also get yourself flight insurance in order to cover any unforeseen circumstances. I myself got caught up within the protests that caused the HK airport to be shut down back in 2019 and ended up being compensated from both the airline, in the form of food/drink vouchers along with hotel, and my insurer which they refunded the airline ticket cost.
That’s an unreasonable policy. So many different things can happen to delay a flight that is no responsibility of the airlines. What if someone called in a bomb threat on a flight, would you want to just continue to your destination and get blown up? Or would it be better to wait for the plane to be thoroughly searched? That’s not the airline’s fault, it’s the fault of the one making the call. The airline shouldn’t be penalized for trying to be safe, or for delaying a flight to make an unscheduled landing because someone has passed away on the plane.
@Kref3 An airline shouldn't have to compensate people for acts of God like weather or death. Man has no control over those things. That's why they're called acts of God.
i was working in the airport back in 2021 and i still remember that 1 flight that delayed till about 8pm all because 2 idiots were at the beach nearby getting a last minute suntan instead in being at the airport ready for their 5 or 6pm flight.
Story 1: She was a Karen through and through. Story 2: Another Karen who misused the emergency services. The things they do to avoid paying the full price. Story 3: Kevin was a total nutjob. Story 4: Kevin was a heartless bastard who didn't care about a crew member dying mid flight.
Story 3: Cops: If you don’t calm down, you’re going to be arrested! Moron: I’D RATHER BE ARRESTED THAN NOT GET MY MONEY BACK!!! Cops: (briefly stare at each other in confusion) Okay, hands behind your back.
The "dry-cleaning customer" and the "X-box customer" both thought they were members of the "elite-party" with "special rights", and when they called the police, they were convinced they were calling "the Special Security" to enforce their delusions.
Story 3: Honestly I'm on the customer's side, or at at least I was until he totally lost his temper and the moral high ground along with it. A console is expensive, and while I don't know what the law is in the US, I'm pretty sure that here you legally couldn't refuse a refund within 28 days of purchase so long as you can also provide proof of purchase (though games, CDs, etc are exempt from that to prevent customers buying them, copying them, and returning them). If I spent that much on a console and my refund was refused, I'd be miffed too, though obviously I wouldn't resort to that customer's level of dysfunctional behaviour.
Pilot's death is an absolute excuse. It was a REAL INCONVENIENCE for his family to do without him for the next 40 years. Also, I do NOT know the regulations, but perhaps the co-pilot was REQUIRED to divert to the closest airport because there was only a SINGLE pilot flying the aircraft, and regulations require TWO. In any case, if I could, I would BAN this customer forever from the airline.
"In emergency situations, aircraft typically divert to the nearest suitable airport for safety reasons. This standard procedure prioritizes passenger and crew safety.
So, on the last one, yes, passengers should have been given some sort of voucher or compensation. However, since the person called and was that disrespectful about the situation... yeah it's right that he got nothing.
@@JustTruckStuff I do agree they should have gotten something for the delay. But it's also not like they could land, have the body removed and take off again. They only fuel these planes with so much "extra" so as not to weigh down the plane any more than needed. Plus, they had to wait for another pilot to become available, because... safety regulations.
@@merlinathrawes746 yeah true and if the body wasn’t properly taken care of it would’ve started the decomp process mid flight as well. I mean no matter what you should show some respect for someone who died and someone who died while providing you a service at that as well. Compensation is one thing but the sheer amount of disrespect and complete lack of empathy is just shocking. You make very valid points tho. It just comes down to it being a very gray area of moral and ethical issues I think. I mean it’s not exactly an easy situation for either party after all
@@JustTruckStuff - The flight also would have been immediately diverted by the copilot to the nearest airport on their flight path. Passengers would have been told over the intercom they were diverting due to a medical emergency.
First story. Holy $#!. Karen tried to sue because o injuries caused by a cop witnessed and camera recorded incident. Karma Rules! Last story. OP, if I was the one handling that irate customer, I doubt I would be polite telling him to use a tow truck to pull his head out of his a**.
Story #1: No no, she was kicking OP , who kicked her back without realizing it and it caused her to fall and hit her head. The Cop didn't really have to do anything except arrest her for violation of a No trespass order and a bunch of other things.
Unpopular opinion. No, you should not be “entitled” to compensation. It would be a nice gesture but at the end of the day, flying is a luxury. If you can afford to fly l, you can afford to lose it. If the airline was at fault, then yes but they weren’t. If you have a fear of flying, just don’t.
Story 3: no, he was not given 2 chances to go home. He was given 2 chances after he used up 3 chances from the staff people giving him the policy and a strict no. Story 4: if it were a short flight sure continue on, but if it's domestic and a long flight then it probably makes more sense to divert to another airport, maybe get a new captain on board rather than take the entire 7 hour flight with a dead body, one you probably do not want at the controls where god knows what could snag or the body could crumple over. I doubt dragging a dead body out of the cabin would instil a lot of confidence for the passengers either. And since it was only a 2 hour delay, pretty sure he would have missed the fun stuff anyway and showed up by the end.
Story 1... yup, I love how Karen didn't even try saying anything... they just moved a tool cart and kicked someone... Well... serves her right. And the judge agreed :)
The kind of….being that would have such a cold hearted and totally unreasonable tantrum and think their inconvenience trumps someone’s death and the necessary action needed to deal with it is not fit to be in decent, moral society. He’s definitely not what most people would call a man. More like a spoiled toddler without decent parents.
Story 3: Sad thing is, the guy likely could have sold the Xbox and games online probably for nearly what he paid for it if it was used as little as he claimed, and gotten most of his money back anyway.
Rule of thumb: if the main crux of your reasoning is “that can’t be true because it’s too unlikely,” then it’s a safe bet that you’re wrong. We live in a crazy world, and you read stories that prove that on a daily basis.
Im so astonished that people are saying the airline should have given them compensation. Geez someone died, so all you can think about is profiting from that. Wow
This has nothing to do with profiting off a dead guy, what? Are you saying just because a death was involved, you should immediately be absolved of any responsibilities to your clients afterwards? Would you say the same thing about them getting sued if the plane crashed instead?
@@agentdopkant most big box airline companies give their compensations almost immediately after a flight is deboarded due to said inconveniences. that means either a) op was right and he wasnt entitled to any compensation or b) he was already compensated and was being greedy by trying to get more than he was entitled to.
4 - The airline probably DID issue a voucher of some sort to all of the passengers. This Karen passenger simply believes that they are entitled to more❤
Regarding Story 2 and the crazy lies some people say: I was shopping at the local corner store when I heard someone screaming at the cashier about how they need to give him a discount on some 95¢ lighters because he invented them. My curiosity got the better of me and I went to take a look. He seemed to be maybe in his mid to late 20s.
That last commenter is a little clueless. I am 100% positive that they did not tell the passengers that the pilot was dead. That would cause panic. They probably just said that a crew member needed medical attention.
they wouldnt even specify that it was a crew member. they would just say medical emergency and leave it at that. passengers other than those directly involved are purposefully kept in the dark for said panicking reason.
X box story all the guy had to do is going on Craig's list and sell the system for $50-$75 less than he paid for then use the money to buy the Playstation console. Granted he'd be out a few bucks but he wouldn't spent the night in jail,have a misdemeanor charge on his record which might come back to bite him in the ass later.
I just wanted to say something real quick about the guy with the Xbox... I was walking into GameStop one day with my son when a guy sitting on the floor started screaming at us not to shop there because they were thieves. We left and had lunch and then came back afterwards and the guy was gone. The manager on duty said he had been arrested. I can't help but wonder if this is the exact same story LOL Add to the pilot diary mid-flight, I think the airline should have compensated everybody. It was inconvenient. Tragic yes. But he didn't make it to his destination on time. That was not his fault. He didn't miss his plane. The airline diverted. They didn't have to. If he had had a medical emergency mid-flight yes. Start being completely deceased mid-flight, it sounds gruesome, and it's a tragedy. But they could have continued their flight. I'm not always a cold-hearted b****, but being dead you're already dead.. no matter how fast or where you land, you're not going to get up and walk away. 250 other people will.
Um, you don't just instantly drop dead when you have a heart attack. Sounds like the guy went into cardiac arrest and hypoxia but that's not always the case. They might have thought he passed out and obviously wanted to get him medical attention, they're not just gonna shrug and be like "Oh he died, oh well let's keep going" And honestly, would YOU want to fly a plane by yourself with a dead body? They can't exactly carry a corpse past all the passengers, and I'm pretty sure planes are required to have 2 pilots, so just shrugging and continuing on probably wasn't an option either way
Ahh yess stuck in a metal tube in the sky with a corpse for 7 hours........ hhmmmm corpse smell for 7 hours of unescapeable flight. Cause that totalllllyyyyyyy won't tramatize any of the crew having to do math on how to use the on board ice to keep their former coworker 'fresh'.... /s [please go watch the comedy movie Airplane] When real things happen in the real world we don't always get the silver spoon treatment. There are rules, regulations, and laws about how the crew and the companies handle these things. When the fine print says no act of god coverage they mean stuff like the captain dieing midflight like that. There within the fine print lay the no legal action needed by the company that was flying the man, therefore it wasn't illegal for them not to go out of their way for the angry man. For all we know the ground crew at the airport they made the emergency landing at tried to get him on a transfer, some people really don't know how to listen to others and/or are looking for one kind of response and no other will be listened to or accepted. [And as a side note if the man really wanted to be there he should have left the day before the event he wanted to go to as air travel is infamous for problems specifically about not being on time, not getting there in the time frame they say they will and the wait times all around.]
Story 4: If I had been in the CSR’s shoes, I would’ve looked up the airline’s policy on problems arising from acts of god. This is a clear case. That customer was way off base.
Oh yeah sure with the last story. Sure it's the airlines fault and the now widowed mothers fault that he was late 🤨 tell me you have main character syndrome without telling me you have main character syndrome.
Story 3: yeah! I have to agree with that fuming man about why the OP was responsible for him going to jail. Now OP should have let him have the refund, return that (probably faulty) xbox, gotten caught for her "mistake" and got fired for it or have that money refunded from her paycheck. At least the fuming man wouldn't have gone to jail./s My goodness, some people are so selfish that they don't realise the consequences of their actions. And I guess the original outlet that sold the xbox was probably a sister location that also had the non-refundable policy, he bought it for himself, his wife had some angry words with him about the expenditure and therefore was adamant on the refund. Maybe he had the fused-bulb moment of thinking that if he goes to jail for it maybe his wife would soften her stance on returning the xbox. I mean, at this point it is pure speculation and this is the least hare-brained explanation I can come up with to explain it all before one can say that it was all for a scam.
Last story, I worked in transportation for a side job for a few months as a bus driver. They have you sit for hours. You’re supposed to moved every 2 hours or so, or you’re risking blood clots forming and a heart attack. I only know this because I’m actually an LVN, and we’re supposed to move our patients every 2 hours if they can’t move on their own. Most people are unaware of the danger they’re in by not moving for hours at a time. So by nature of the job, yes, the airline did cause the heart attack. All that said, the “entitled” person should’ve gotten “something” for his trouble. I’ve been delayed a few times. They usually give meal vouchers if it’s longer than 6 hours. I once got a 2 day stay at a hotel because of a delay.
Story 2: OP should have told the cop that Karen told OP that her husband beats her. He may want to look into that if Karen's husband is actually abusive. Get the husband in trouble and have that on Karen's [lack of] conscience
Story 4: How can someone be so wrong yet so right at the same time? Delivery and context, that's how. But the commenter summed it up, if an announcement like THAT came on, my flight anxiety having butt would be getting off the plane and taking a bus wherever I'm going.
Last story: I'll bet there was some sort of compensation given. I'm just betting the jerk didn't think it was enough for him missing all the "good stuff" at a bachelor's party.
Last story: So, yeah, no. You should never take out your frustrations with the company on the front line customer service people. That doesn't change the fact that this airline company sucks.
how do they suck? like, they practically did their best to make sure the passengers got to where they needed to go without having to pay extra for it. They were just diverted because of a medical emergency that the airline had no control over happening. its like saying a store sucked because a customer had a heart attack while shopping. Bruh
@@KaeyaDraws"That worker had a medical emergency and died, it inconvenienced me so much I should get my stuff for free!!" The kind of logic these people have
Story 2: The dry-cleaning clerk should have told the cops that the lady has domestic issues, as she's afraid to go home because of what her husband will do.
Story 4: Honestly, 50% of getting what you want comes from how you ask for it. I have to deal with people for my job, and I can tell you right now that "how are you going to compensate me" is going to be met with me repeating our policy on such nonsense. Giving me a legitimate reason to care and asking me to help however I can is going to get you a lot further, and spend more time asking people to bend rules. That being said, there is only so much I OR OP can do, and whether or not the customer has an excuse or wants it/demands it, it isn't going to change the fact that our ability to go the extra mile has a hard limit set by the company. I don't know what company policy is, but if I had that guy on the line, he would get the bare minimum I could offer, and it sounds like he got just that.
The employee only had to pick up some torn bags and hangers from the floor. Press charges and now u have to go to court. No one wants to deal with that bs if they dont have to.
If someone DIED on a flight I was on, I would have enough of a soul to recognize that compensation is the LEAST important think anyone can possibly think about. Anyone who gets uppity about money after someone LITERALLY DIED ON THE FLIGHT needs therapy immediately.
Last story: The airline's policy probably lumps that in along with weather issues. The "contract" of the ticket (get you from A to B at specific time) is full of caveats that _maybe_ you click through when you buy online, but maybe never see if you don't go asking about it.
It's all dependent on the means of how or why the person died. Heart attacks or current illnesses aren't covered but say if a person was injured by something that's a part of the plane like an overhead compartment door or similar after being overloaded then a person's travel insurance may cover that at their discretion but not by the actual airline company
Story 4 says it's one of the worlds biggest airlines. Giant companies don't care about their employees at all. No one is saying the pilots family should compensate the passengers. The multi billion dollar company who had replaced that pilot by his next flight could have easily refunded the flight or offered a voucher.
I work retail. If you were wronged and polite I will gladly give you a discount or store credit to make up for your troubles. Most of the time these people are surprised and grateful. If you are rude you’re getting nothing or the bare minimum. Word to the wise be polite.
Also on the flight with the captain with the heart attack. Isn't that a rehash of an earlier story? Only that one was about a 1 star review left by the person on the flight complaining about the delay..... Looks like an urban myth to me.
That airline tale. We don't know how long the delay due to the diversion was. For all we know, all the passengers were given meal vouchers for the diversion airport while they got a new pilot(s) in, as well as hotels at the end destination for the flight for those who missed a connection and had to stay overnight as well as helping every single passenger with a connection rebook, perhaps even paying the difference in airfare if there was any. It sounds like this is the sort of entitled eejit who would demand special treatment; e.g. if all the passengers were given coupons for up to $400 toward another flight, he would expect to keep that coupon *and* get a full refund, or cash in hand.
No, c’mon, not the AH. Nor wrong. They would never have disclosed that one of two pilots passed away, they would have made some sort of excuse that they needed to restock or resupply something, that they were just doing a minor diversion. No one on the flight should have known a pilot passed away until they reached their destination if at all. Yes, they should have offered a free drink and meal to the passengers for the delay, reassured they have called ahead to try and prevent any delays in getting on board of their connecting flight. Most professional airplanes have professional staff. The fact that she had to explain it to him rather than him bring it up means he didn’t even realise why there was a delay. No way it took so long. They would have called ahead, landed closest reasonable sport, given a quick statement and quick check on plane before continuing as soon as there was another pilot available. Delays should always be factored in when you’re travelling. The passenger’s inconvenience was on his own damn head.
Last week I bought something that didn't do the job I wanted. Today I went to the store where I got it and asked about their return policy. Due to me already using some of it they said I need to contact the manufacturer for a refund. I told them thank you and then left. What a totally normal interaction. Yeah it sucks that I need to do an extra step to get my refund but I didn't start shouting at employees and all that nonsense. People are insane.
Second story: the answer to: do you want me to die? The response should be “do you want the truth or the big lie that makes you think I care?” Sadly story 3 I’ve had similar experiences, I tell an idiot the store policy, they demand to talk to the manager. Ok idiot, my manager comes over and tells them the same thing. Seriously these people don’t realize my manager is the one who to,d me what to say.
I feel like the answer to "my husband will kill me, do you want me to die?" should be "no, that's why I'm calling the police to report an extreme domestic abuse situation." See how fast she backpedals.
If I had been there with the dry cleaning lady I would have offered for her to stay while we wait for the police to report the murder threat and abuse by her husband. Or I would have mentioned that to the police once they arrived.
Hahaha! When something happens to a Karen, she doesn't worry about if people are OK, they need a lawyer STAT! My question is, how many people truly have the money for keeping lawyers on retainer 24/7?😂😂😂
On that story with the XboX. That's a very customer unfriendly policy imho. That wouldn't fly here over in europe. Return policies are controlled by law and not something a store can just write up themselves. However the unit would be inspected and if it was opened (screw covers broken) indicating someone swapped stuff out they also wouldn't get a refund as that would take the unit out of waranty.
Last story: Why should the passengers be compensated for something beyond the airline's control? I may not know how all airlines operate but acts of god like the death of the pilot or extreme weather are not deserving of compensation. Plus, how cold and inhuman must you be to hear that your pilot died and still want compensation off a tragedy like that. The last commenter has showcased their ignorance & callousness. Having flown regularly for more than 10 years, there's no such thing as an automatic compensation. My worst delay was for 18 hours in Munich to Hongkong via Doha & what we got was a rebooking and overnight hotel stays because the craft had mechanical issues. We got informed of the cancellation 3 hours past our departure time. Mechanical issues are the airline's fault, a pilot dying mid-flight isnt. Its pretty ignorant to assume that in all circumstances, passengers deserve a compensation.
Most Airlines, when it comes to a situation like this, usually comp people either on the plane, when deboarding the plane, or will contact them days later about the situation. Most likely, this person did get something but thought that it wasn't enough for him
So.... for the last story, im not on anyones side. Its a very grey area. On one hand, youd think theyd offer the passengers something but at the same time, the pilot kicking the bucket isnt in the airlines control
Story 4: I can answer this question as to why they didn’t give vouchers. Because corporate is Scrooge. I worked customer service for an airline for 7 years. Know what 70% of our delays were? Maintenance, aka something within the company’s control. Know how many of them were given the catch-all “Previous delay of the aircraft” code that means “We don’t know(don’t want to say) what the cause is, so we can’t give you compensation because it may not have been our fault”? Unless the plane was sitting on our ramp such that customers could see it, 100%. I even had more than one event where it got turned from Maintenance to catch all while I was rebooking a customer with a line of people still to help, and now I have to be the messenger that the other people waiting in line can’t get what I just gave this guy, or lose my job by giving it to them. If the employees aren’t giving you vouchers, it’s because corporate has them by the throats and is forcing them not to on threat of termination and potential lawsuit. This employee almost surely faced some form of reprimand for revealing the actual reason for the delay, and you can be sure they did not announce over the PA that there was a death. Likely they claimed air traffic or weather(both things outside company control)
Story 2 - Wait a minute, if she was quoted ‘$72’ then why did she only bring $70? And the officer should’ve given Karen a fine for wasting police time and causing a ruckus in the store.
@@tmntfangirl4700 She was probably planning to wheedle a discount out of them, pleading 'it's only two dollars, can't you write it off' or something. And I don't know if she got cited by the cop, but the way she returned and got her stuff and paid in full without a word leads me to believe that the reason the cop took her outside to talk to her was to give her a not-so-polite dressing down and a picture of what would happen to her if she did it again.
@@nadinesharp9766 Yeah, sounds about right.
I wouldn't be surprised if she lied about what she was originally quoted.
@@barbarachrisman8574 Me neither, or the crap she was spewing about her husband beating her. Karens are known to lie about anything to get their way.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that noticed that discrepancy in the prices.
Story 3: When cops give you two chances to just cut your losses and go home is basically the real life equivalent of the DM asking the player "Are you sure you want to do this?"
story 3:
"I'D RATHER BE ARRESTED"
later
"IT'S YOUR FAULT I'M BEING ARRESTED"
bruh
Story 2: Sounds like the officer actually took Karen’s information to file an official warning. Meaning her misuse of 911 was documented and if it happens again she’ll likely be charged.
That last story. OMG. What is wrong with people?
How dare that pilot died unexpectedly? How dare that pilot not plan his heart attack better? /s
Exactly! How inconsiderate!
That last comment on story 4 was completely wrong. They don’t announce midflight that the Captain has died and there’s always more than one pilot fully capable of flying the aircraft. They typically announce that there’s been some form of emergency, but not what it is.
Yes. And obviously, the commenter is so stupid that they didn't consider that the point of having a co-pilot is there being someone to fly the plane if the pilot is incapacitated in any way. What if during the next several hours of that 7-hour flight, the co-pilot became incapacitated? Who is going to fly the plane then, genius?
@@nadinesharp9766 This is two reasons why the co-pilot made the decision to divert and land at the nearest airfield with a Deceased Pilot Extraction Kit.
A. The co-pilot wouldn't want to spend the next seven hours flying with a corpse beside him (or her).
B. The plane will spend the shortest time in the air 'Just In Case' the co-pilot also becomes incapacitated...
Also, nowhere does it state that there was a public announcement that the pilot had climbed the curtain. Much more likely the co-pilot got on the system and announced a diversion "for a medical emergency". Even OP only found out by looking into the company record of that flight.
But still, the airline should have *already* offered every passenger compensation of some sort.
You shouldn't get irate passengers screaming for it.
@sarumano884 How do you know they didn't give compensation? This idiot could have called while they were taking the deceased off the plane for all we know. Having someone die in the air, especially the pilot, isn't something that happens every day. They could have been waiting until the man's family had been notified or been in the process of determining just what they were going to give, and he called being an a$$ before anything had been determined.
Regardless, this guy was a heartless, selfish bas***d. How dare some guy die and you miss getting to see a woman showing you her boobs or you getting a lap dance at a bachelor party. There are ways to be assertive and ask for compensation without being a total insensitive douche like this jackwagon.
@nadinesharp9766 And what if a specific bolt in both steering gears broke and neither pilot could steer even if they were able. What if the engines all spontaneously stop working. What if a meteor suddenly strikes the plane. What if there was actually 4 pilots and all 4 of them became unable. You may as well just stop living now if you're always going to "What if". There is a point at which it's no longer reasonable to concern yourself over the minutiae.
There is a point at which you are planning for something that is statistically improbable to ever occur, For example, You wouldn't build a skyscraper to withstand magnitutde 7 earth quakes in an area that has never even HAD an earthquake. And you wouldn't build a structure to withstand tidal waves in wyoming, which is a good couple thousand miles from the nearest sea shore.
There's already a great deal of redundancy in planes, It's already incredibly unlikely for even a single pilot to experience problems that make them spontaneously unfit for duty in the middle of a trip, Having a second pilot reduces that to a number so much smaller that it's unreasonable. Point of fact, Despite there being about 10,000 commercial flights in the sky at any given time, millions and millions of flights since we implemented the 2 pilot system, There has not been a single instance of both pilots being incapacitated at once. Not one.
Will it happen some day? Sure, The probability isn't a flat 0. It's more like 0.000000000001% chance. So it's not a 0% chance; It COULLD happen, it WILL almost certainly eventually happen. And it will be a terrible day for the people involved and the families who lost... But it's unreasonable to expect anyone to plan for something so unbelievably improbable. There is no way TO plan for something so unbelievably improbable, Because any system you devise short of "Just ground all flights forever more, we're not allowed to fly ever again" is going to have it's own 0.0000000000001% chance that the right sequence of things going wrong will occur. And that is true of trains, and that is true of monorails, and that is true of driving, and that is true of riding a bicycle, of walking, of simply taking a breath- You might accidentally inhale a bit of saliva that obstructs your airways and suffocates you to death. Improbable- But it could, in theory, happen.
That's... just how the universe works. Shit happens.
@@KazanaAoi Damn who hurt you?
Story 1 - Karen got a Double if not Triple whammy of Karma that day. Violating a store ban/restraining order, ignoring the obvious ‘closed’ lanes in the store, purposely attacking someone who was minding their own business and working, then trying to sue the store and OP for the incident and the injuries that she got?
Yeah I can see the judge crumpling up Karen’s lawsuit after reading the file and watching the video recording.
Judge wouldnt have even needed to watch the video recording. Court clerks likely put the charge sheet on the top of the pile of paperwork so the judge knew there was a criminal element to the court case.
Actually, the judge should have called the bar association on the lawyer who took her case.
Crumpling up? Dude! Judges have standards. He put it into paper shredder, ffs.
@@gorilladisco9108 🤣🤣🤣 Works for me
Grown adults should know throwing a tantrum like a 5 year old will not get you what you want
I cannot imagine expecting to be paid or offered free stuff because someone died unexpectedly while doing their job.
Story 1 ... for those who don't know legal jargon, when a case is dismissed "with prejudice" all that means is the lady cannot try to reopen the lawsuit in some other manner.
The case is forever locked "closed" unless she pays to file an appeal (which means a LOT of extra money without any refund if it gets tossed again).
Whenever I read a story about a Karen in court, I always hope it includes the judge ruling against her and the Karen going Karen in court and getting in further trouble for it; in particular, a scenario where the judge issues a sentence that includes the words "contingent upon a psychiatric evaluation", which sets Karen off on a rampage, screeching like a banshee that she isn't crazy.
You'd enjoy SovCit court videos, I think. Take everything you mentioned, but mix in crazy conspiracy theories and pseudo law.
Calling the cops over no refunds - at my last true retail job we had a customer do that. She was past the refund policy deadline by a couple of months. But she still felt we owed her and was screaming up and down about “I KNOW MY RIGHTS!” etc. Then she went to the lobby and was sobbing to 911 about it.
I wasn’t there for the cops showing up but I know she still didn’t get the refund.
For the last story. As someone who has worked in the customer service side of airline travel for over a decade, I can confidently say the customers were not entitled to any compensation beyond rebooking to their final destination. FAA regulations require customer compensation when it's the airlines fault. It is referred to as the "Contract of Carry". The pilot dying mid flight is not something the airline could control or predict which nullifies any need to to provide monetary compensation, hotel compensation, or voucher compensation.
I'm all about people getting compensated for their troubles, but the airline clearly wasn't at fault for this incident. That guy in the last story was a callous piece of trash and deserved nothing.
Maybe the passengers should have opted for the insurance on their ticket prices, enacting the “act of God” clause, because that’s certainly what happened in this case.
But in all seriousness, I can see both sides of the issue. Late because of weather? No refund. Late because of a mechanical issue that was entirely preventable? Refund. Late because a bird randomly flew into one of the engines? No refund. Late because one of the pilots drank a bit too much the night before and got to the airport late? Refund, and disciplinary action on the pilot. Late because a flight attendant didn’t make it on time? That 10000% depends on the situation…did they sleep in? Refund. Were they attacked and assaulted? No refund, because that’s horrifying. My point is that this should be an entirely subjective case-by-case situation, and in the case of the pilot passing away, I can see it going either way, but I understand the argument of why no refund.
@@guitarbass22This exactly. I have never gotten compensation for an act of god. My worst experience was extreme weather & we just got rebooked for a day later & a free overnight hotel stay.
@@guitarbass22 The death of a pilot mid flight is definitely an "act of god". That is out of control of the airline. Only if the pilot had a known health condition and the airline made him fly regardless of that would make them liable.
@@guitarbass22 no either way it could have gone either way. do you know when you're going to die? if you can answer me that? ill concede. but nothing in this world would make me believe otherwise. certainly not a dumb thing like this. because that logic is 100% DUMB.
I hope this is a made up story. If not he is going to hell and please do post it on social media dude
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*Last story*
*Maybe I am an anomaly, but there is NO way in hell I would ever expect compensation from an airline when the Captain literally PASSED AWAY during the flight?!*
*Seriously.. it bothers me how many people think they should have been!*
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Eh, I don’t think there is a legal claim, akin to an act of god.
That being said, perhaps a gesture of goodwill, on behalf of the multi-million dollar corporation might’ve been in their interest, seeing how I can imagine the death of a pilot - while not cause by the airline - might still put a dampener on the mood of a vacation.
Treating the death of the pilot merely as an inconvenience seems cold, yes, I will not devils-advocate that. What I think one could argue though, is that the airline equally looked at the situation pretty coldly, by treating the death of the pilot as a mere delay due to turbulence.
Right. Like poor you
@@canalalex0119the devil has enough advocates.Maybe some compassion because someone died.oh no the poor vacation.
@@thebrokegothgirl Hey, you’re obviously a troll, but eh, I’ll bite.
It’s not the *corporation* that is grieving, it’s the *family*. A corporation don’t have emotions, *people do*.
The issue here is not “oh, the traveler was heartless”, the issue here is that the *airline* is using the *grieving family* as an excuse.
The pilot dying is literally why there's a co-pilot. That said, I would never have advocated that the flight continue to its planned destination when there was a closer place to land and deal with the deceased and the requirement for two people to be in control. I also don't think the passengers would have any valid claim for compensation, whether legally or morally, although it would have "been nice" if the airline had offered something purely as a matter of good-will.
(But really... this sounds like yet another fantasy tale. I'm sure that if it happened in real life, it would be world-wide news, not something buried in a story on reddit).
Last story Fluff : there are strict rules about compensation due to flight delay. it must be something the company is responsible for (so not due to natural disaster, weather or in this case someone dying on the flight).
Yeah, I don't understand the reasoning here. It's not the airline's fault that the pilot died. Even if they told the passengers the full situation (which I sincerely doubt, I'm sure they gave a vague 'we have to make an unexpected stop' excuse to avoid extra trouble), the airline isn't responsible for them feeling anxious or upset about it.
Story 3 absolutely 100%. Agree that it is not op's fault. It is that guy's fault that he is going to jail. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that he was found guilty and spent a lot of time in jail
Story 4: That poor Pilot's family. My sister did something similar. About 10 years ago the Doctor my dad and her have been going to for years died in a small plane crash with his son. Of course the first thing my rents said was "Oh how horrible, he was so young, what about his wife and other kids.' My sister?.... "Oh great! Now I gotta go hunt for a new Doctor!"
#2 - OP has my sympathy. I worked at a satellite storefront for a dry cleaner. One evening, just before close, this woman came up, parked in the fire lane, came inside with only $6 cash or so and wanted to pick up three dresses she'd had dry cleaned. At the time I think dresses without pleats were about $7 each. She threw a fit, asked me to lend her the difference, went outside to check her minivan for change (which was full of bags of toys and groceries she's just bought at Walmart), came back inside and threw a bunch of change at me and screamed when I told her she could have one of the three. This was a year or two before 2000, so yes, Karens and entitled clueless people have been around for that long and more.
Story 2: All this over paying more than $70. I can't imagine being that desperate over saving $12, lol.
Story 2: 'My husband is going to kill me'. Well, I find it easier to believe it's actually the husband fearing for his life.
I used to hang out with this girl ages ago and admittedly when you gauge us she was physically out of my league but my charm won out. On one occasion we were stuck in a traffic snafu and she was going off the deep end because we were going to be late (to what I still don't know...to this very day...we weren't going anywhere with a reservation, just heading out to eat). We finally make it to where the the paramedics are working and this woman leans out the window (she was driving btw) and shouts, "What the f**k!? Somebody better be dead!" The closest paramedic looked over at her says, "Someone did. Have a better day." She turned white a sheet and slunk back into the driver's seat...and managed to find a couple of extra inches of depth that the manufacturer hadn't intended you to find. The remainder of the evening was conspicuously quiet and yeah, we didn't hang out after that. I never wanted to be associated with someone with such wickedness in their heart. This legit came out of nowhere, too because I've seen her handle deep rooted racism and adversity with poise...I guess THAT version of her was out to lunch.
Story 2: Her: DO YOU WANT MY HUSBAND TO MURDER ME OVER 10 DOLLARS???
Me: Yes Ma'am, that would sure make things easier for ME. I don't suppose you could go back home and yell at him the exact same way you're yelling at me just to push him over the edge for me, could yuh? I'd be much obliged.
Story two. My brother told me the guy outside our house was going to kill him if I didn’t give him $30. I told him no. After him begging for another ten minutes, he jumps in the car with the same guy and rode away. I know liars. I was raised with one.
This is why I make sure everyone, even random passersby, are fully aware I have 3 large dogs and guns. Makes cowardly little twats like that not even bother coming in my sphere of reality lmao. Disabled old lady? Sure. Easy mark? haha no.
I’m sure the passengers in the last story were offered seats on a later connection either home or to their destination. There is no way the airline left them stranded in a random city when they were contracted to take them to a specific destination. That would be a breach of contract. And to honestly not have sympathy for a man who died, Captain or not, is disgusting. I feel bad for that co-pilot who must have been stressed out of their box in a situation like that..
Story 4: This is why you should always be polite to CSRs when you are asking them to do you a favor. If the caller was polite and understanding, maybe OP could have gotten them something. But, since you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar, being an a-hole discourages a CSR from going out of their way for you.
Not sure how she expected the lawsuit to end she knew there was both a police report and camera saying she was at fault yet went ahead with the lawsuit? All she did was waste money on a lawyer.
Karens are delusional that way. They've conditioned themselves to believe they're always in the right.
And her lawyer had to know she had a "no win" case. But he gets paid, win or lose. 😅
The delulu is strong with that Karen
@@ryancarter1080 no kidding
More of a case she left out the part regarding that she had been arrested and charged for assault and trespass. You can bet that the lawyer knew nothing about it until OP got called to give his disposition, however the judge ruling the case immediately would have seen the charge sheet, which quite often gets put on top of the pile by the clerks so a judge can see there is a criminal side to it. The moment they see that the defendant is a victim of the claimant they will immediately dismiss the case and rule that it cant be refiled in any fashion.
Story 2: I think OP should have contacted her manager regardless, considering the Karen was swearing and carrying on.
karens when people kick back back if you kick them: surprised pikachu face
They forget that if you can't take it, don't dish it.
And then face plant said pikachu face on the floor!
Story one: she was previously banned from the store for bad behavior. She goes in and kick somebody? No she didn’t learn her lesson. She’s gonna go back and do approximately the same thing. Some people never ever learn.
Story two: well, if she “thinks” the bill is $72 why did she only have 70 on her? Talk about unhinged.
Story Four. Some people are dirt. Just dirt.
That's not a person. That's a Karen. Karens refuse to see us as humans, so I happily return the disfavor.
@@tranz2deep Fair point.
On behalf of the dirtiest dirt in the world I feel offended and violated by being compared to this entitled piece of human excrement
Also with story three. What's the joke from that one celebrity. "Congratulations, you played yourself."
DJ Khaled is the name, but yes you are right with the quote
@@Dragongamz1 thank you so much
Story 3: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Same with Story 1. Karen knew that she shouldn’t be there and she got 3x the normal Karma handed to her because of it, and props to the judge for dismissing the subpoena because OP had the right to defend oneself for what Karen did.
The woman at the dry cleaners was nuts!
Story 2--that lady was trying to get her laundry at a 13% discount. Once she had gotten it down to $72, she was going to say all she had was $70 and could she PUHLEASE have her clothes for that amount? She was probably used to haggling and swindling merchants. I have seen this in retail, especially people from poorer countries. Bartering is a way of life.
Story 3: My guy could have taken the Xbox to any place that sells pre-owned consoles and they’d have happily taken it off his hands. Heck possibly could have traded it in towards a PlayStation depending on where he went
AFAIK in Europe you get compensated if a plane is late for more than 2 hours. It does not actually matter why the plane is delayed or if the airline could prevent it; simple fact is: the airline had a contract to bring a passenter to destination X at time Y and they did not do it.
That's ridiculous. Airlines should not have to compensate people for acts of God like weather or catastrophic illness or death. They're called acts of God because they're things over which man has no control.
Depends on the distance of the flight. It's called "Your right to care" and basically under EU/UK law they have to provide food and drinks, access to emails/phone calls, and accommodation if you are delayed overnight, plus the cost of the journey between the airport and hotel. It also depends on the distance of your flight on when that actually kicks in. If your flight is less than 1500km, then its 2 hours, if between 1500km and 3500km, then its 3 hours, and if its over 3500km, then its 4 hours.
Also, it DOES matter why the plane was delayed. If its something OUTSIDE the airlines control then you will NOT be compensated by the airline. You only get compensated financially if the flight is delayed more than 3 hours AND the delay is the airline's fault (eg, technical issues, not enought bookings, etc). That compensation then depends on the distance you are going, the same three factors listed above gives the amount, 3500km = 600 Euro for non-Euro flights.
If your flight is delayed 5 hours or more you can get both a refund and compensation. If you choose not to take the flight after that you can also have them pay for your flight back to your previous airport if you were mid-way on your trip.
Also to add, this is why you also get yourself flight insurance in order to cover any unforeseen circumstances. I myself got caught up within the protests that caused the HK airport to be shut down back in 2019 and ended up being compensated from both the airline, in the form of food/drink vouchers along with hotel, and my insurer which they refunded the airline ticket cost.
That’s an unreasonable policy. So many different things can happen to delay a flight that is no responsibility of the airlines. What if someone called in a bomb threat on a flight, would you want to just continue to your destination and get blown up? Or would it be better to wait for the plane to be thoroughly searched? That’s not the airline’s fault, it’s the fault of the one making the call. The airline shouldn’t be penalized for trying to be safe, or for delaying a flight to make an unscheduled landing because someone has passed away on the plane.
@Kref3 An airline shouldn't have to compensate people for acts of God like weather or death. Man has no control over those things. That's why they're called acts of God.
i was working in the airport back in 2021 and i still remember that 1 flight that delayed till about 8pm all because 2 idiots were at the beach nearby getting a last minute suntan instead in being at the airport ready for their 5 or 6pm flight.
Story 1: She was a Karen through and through.
Story 2: Another Karen who misused the emergency services. The things they do to avoid paying the full price.
Story 3: Kevin was a total nutjob.
Story 4: Kevin was a heartless bastard who didn't care about a crew member dying mid flight.
Story 3:
Cops: If you don’t calm down, you’re going to be arrested!
Moron: I’D RATHER BE ARRESTED THAN NOT GET MY MONEY BACK!!!
Cops: (briefly stare at each other in confusion) Okay, hands behind your back.
The "dry-cleaning customer" and the "X-box customer" both thought they were members of the "elite-party" with "special rights", and when they called the police, they were convinced they were calling "the Special Security" to enforce their delusions.
Story 3: Honestly I'm on the customer's side, or at at least I was until he totally lost his temper and the moral high ground along with it. A console is expensive, and while I don't know what the law is in the US, I'm pretty sure that here you legally couldn't refuse a refund within 28 days of purchase so long as you can also provide proof of purchase (though games, CDs, etc are exempt from that to prevent customers buying them, copying them, and returning them). If I spent that much on a console and my refund was refused, I'd be miffed too, though obviously I wouldn't resort to that customer's level of dysfunctional behaviour.
Pilot's death is an absolute excuse. It was a REAL INCONVENIENCE for his family to do without him for the next 40 years. Also, I do NOT know the regulations, but perhaps the co-pilot was REQUIRED to divert to the closest airport because there was only a SINGLE pilot flying the aircraft, and regulations require TWO. In any case, if I could, I would BAN this customer forever from the airline.
"In emergency situations, aircraft typically divert to the nearest suitable airport for safety reasons. This standard procedure prioritizes passenger and crew safety.
So, on the last one, yes, passengers should have been given some sort of voucher or compensation. However, since the person called and was that disrespectful about the situation... yeah it's right that he got nothing.
Maybe yeah but there’s a copilot for a reason people. They were never in danger or anything like that
@@JustTruckStuff I do agree they should have gotten something for the delay. But it's also not like they could land, have the body removed and take off again. They only fuel these planes with so much "extra" so as not to weigh down the plane any more than needed. Plus, they had to wait for another pilot to become available, because... safety regulations.
@@merlinathrawes746 yeah true and if the body wasn’t properly taken care of it would’ve started the decomp process mid flight as well. I mean no matter what you should show some respect for someone who died and someone who died while providing you a service at that as well. Compensation is one thing but the sheer amount of disrespect and complete lack of empathy is just shocking. You make very valid points tho. It just comes down to it being a very gray area of moral and ethical issues I think. I mean it’s not exactly an easy situation for either party after all
Passengers would have gotten something like meal vouchers and such when it happened, he called and wanted more.
@@JustTruckStuff - The flight also would have been immediately diverted by the copilot to the nearest airport on their flight path. Passengers would have been told over the intercom they were diverting due to a medical emergency.
First story. Holy $#!. Karen tried to sue because o injuries caused by a cop witnessed and camera recorded incident. Karma Rules!
Last story. OP, if I was the one handling that irate customer, I doubt I would be polite telling him to use a tow truck to pull his head out of his a**.
Story #1: No no, she was kicking OP , who kicked her back without realizing it and it caused her to fall and hit her head. The Cop didn't really have to do anything except arrest her for violation of a No trespass order and a bunch of other things.
Unpopular opinion. No, you should not be “entitled” to compensation. It would be a nice gesture but at the end of the day, flying is a luxury. If you can afford to fly l, you can afford to lose it.
If the airline was at fault, then yes but they weren’t.
If you have a fear of flying, just don’t.
Story 3: no, he was not given 2 chances to go home. He was given 2 chances after he used up 3 chances from the staff people giving him the policy and a strict no. Story 4: if it were a short flight sure continue on, but if it's domestic and a long flight then it probably makes more sense to divert to another airport, maybe get a new captain on board rather than take the entire 7 hour flight with a dead body, one you probably do not want at the controls where god knows what could snag or the body could crumple over. I doubt dragging a dead body out of the cabin would instil a lot of confidence for the passengers either. And since it was only a 2 hour delay, pretty sure he would have missed the fun stuff anyway and showed up by the end.
Yeah if he wanted to be on time for the party he should've left like the day before and stayed the night so they could all go out together
That's so horrible condolences to the family....would understand if the airlines maybe some kind of voucher
Story 1... yup, I love how Karen didn't even try saying anything... they just moved a tool cart and kicked someone... Well... serves her right. And the judge agreed :)
The kind of….being that would have such a cold hearted and totally unreasonable tantrum and think their inconvenience trumps someone’s death and the necessary action needed to deal with it is not fit to be in decent, moral society. He’s definitely not what most people would call a man. More like a spoiled toddler without decent parents.
Story 3: Sad thing is, the guy likely could have sold the Xbox and games online probably for nearly what he paid for it if it was used as little as he claimed, and gotten most of his money back anyway.
Rule of thumb: if the main crux of your reasoning is “that can’t be true because it’s too unlikely,” then it’s a safe bet that you’re wrong. We live in a crazy world, and you read stories that prove that on a daily basis.
Im so astonished that people are saying the airline should have given them compensation. Geez someone died, so all you can think about is profiting from that. Wow
This has nothing to do with profiting off a dead guy, what? Are you saying just because a death was involved, you should immediately be absolved of any responsibilities to your clients afterwards? Would you say the same thing about them getting sued if the plane crashed instead?
Compensation is not profit. Please look up the definition of compensation. Google is free and instant.
@@agentdopkant most big box airline companies give their compensations almost immediately after a flight is deboarded due to said inconveniences. that means either a) op was right and he wasnt entitled to any compensation or b) he was already compensated and was being greedy by trying to get more than he was entitled to.
Story 2, OP is confused, dismayed, frightened by seeing this sort of behavior--something tell me OP should not be in retail.
Why?
@@deniseg9210 Because OP doesn't seem emotionally strong enough for the tough way people treat retail workers.
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The airline probably DID issue a voucher of some sort to all of the passengers.
This Karen passenger simply believes that they are entitled to more❤
The guy with the flight was 100% in the right.
Regarding Story 2 and the crazy lies some people say: I was shopping at the local corner store when I heard someone screaming at the cashier about how they need to give him a discount on some 95¢ lighters because he invented them. My curiosity got the better of me and I went to take a look. He seemed to be maybe in his mid to late 20s.
That last commenter is a little clueless. I am 100% positive that they did not tell the passengers that the pilot was dead. That would cause panic. They probably just said that a crew member needed medical attention.
they wouldnt even specify that it was a crew member. they would just say medical emergency and leave it at that. passengers other than those directly involved are purposefully kept in the dark for said panicking reason.
I cannot BELIEVE that guy in the airplane story! Someone freaking DIED, dude, have a little respect for the dead and take a deep breath.
X box story all the guy had to do is going on Craig's list and sell the system for $50-$75 less than he paid for then use the money to buy the Playstation console. Granted he'd be out a few bucks but he wouldn't spent the night in jail,have a misdemeanor charge on his record which might come back to bite him in the ass later.
Story 2: plot twist, the officer was her husband and once he took her outside told her to stop being crazy and just pay the $82 😂
I just wanted to say something real quick about the guy with the Xbox...
I was walking into GameStop one day with my son when a guy sitting on the floor started screaming at us not to shop there because they were thieves. We left and had lunch and then came back afterwards and the guy was gone. The manager on duty said he had been arrested.
I can't help but wonder if this is the exact same story LOL
Add to the pilot diary mid-flight, I think the airline should have compensated everybody. It was inconvenient. Tragic yes. But he didn't make it to his destination on time. That was not his fault. He didn't miss his plane. The airline diverted. They didn't have to. If he had had a medical emergency mid-flight yes. Start being completely deceased mid-flight, it sounds gruesome, and it's a tragedy. But they could have continued their flight. I'm not always a cold-hearted b****, but being dead you're already dead.. no matter how fast or where you land, you're not going to get up and walk away. 250 other people will.
Um, you don't just instantly drop dead when you have a heart attack. Sounds like the guy went into cardiac arrest and hypoxia but that's not always the case. They might have thought he passed out and obviously wanted to get him medical attention, they're not just gonna shrug and be like "Oh he died, oh well let's keep going"
And honestly, would YOU want to fly a plane by yourself with a dead body? They can't exactly carry a corpse past all the passengers, and I'm pretty sure planes are required to have 2 pilots, so just shrugging and continuing on probably wasn't an option either way
Ahh yess stuck in a metal tube in the sky with a corpse for 7 hours........ hhmmmm corpse smell for 7 hours of unescapeable flight.
Cause that totalllllyyyyyyy won't tramatize any of the crew having to do math on how to use the on board ice to keep their former coworker 'fresh'.... /s
[please go watch the comedy movie Airplane]
When real things happen in the real world we don't always get the silver spoon treatment. There are rules, regulations, and laws about how the crew and the companies handle these things. When the fine print says no act of god coverage they mean stuff like the captain dieing midflight like that. There within the fine print lay the no legal action needed by the company that was flying the man, therefore it wasn't illegal for them not to go out of their way for the angry man. For all we know the ground crew at the airport they made the emergency landing at tried to get him on a transfer, some people really don't know how to listen to others and/or are looking for one kind of response and no other will be listened to or accepted. [And as a side note if the man really wanted to be there he should have left the day before the event he wanted to go to as air travel is infamous for problems specifically about not being on time, not getting there in the time frame they say they will and the wait times all around.]
Happy Monday, everyone! Hope your day is going well, I know today can be rough, but you got this!
RIP to that poor pilot and the best of luck to the pilot's family
Story 4: If I had been in the CSR’s shoes, I would’ve looked up the airline’s policy on problems arising from acts of god. This is a clear case. That customer was way off base.
The policeman has a nice slightly used Xbox he got from confiscation. He will likely enjoy it.
Oh yeah sure with the last story. Sure it's the airlines fault and the now widowed mothers fault that he was late 🤨 tell me you have main character syndrome without telling me you have main character syndrome.
Story 3: yeah! I have to agree with that fuming man about why the OP was responsible for him going to jail. Now OP should have let him have the refund, return that (probably faulty) xbox, gotten caught for her "mistake" and got fired for it or have that money refunded from her paycheck. At least the fuming man wouldn't have gone to jail./s
My goodness, some people are so selfish that they don't realise the consequences of their actions. And I guess the original outlet that sold the xbox was probably a sister location that also had the non-refundable policy, he bought it for himself, his wife had some angry words with him about the expenditure and therefore was adamant on the refund. Maybe he had the fused-bulb moment of thinking that if he goes to jail for it maybe his wife would soften her stance on returning the xbox. I mean, at this point it is pure speculation and this is the least hare-brained explanation I can come up with to explain it all before one can say that it was all for a scam.
Last story,
I worked in transportation for a side job for a few months as a bus driver. They have you sit for hours. You’re supposed to moved every 2 hours or so, or you’re risking blood clots forming and a heart attack.
I only know this because I’m actually an LVN, and we’re supposed to move our patients every 2 hours if they can’t move on their own. Most people are unaware of the danger they’re in by not moving for hours at a time.
So by nature of the job, yes, the airline did cause the heart attack.
All that said, the “entitled” person should’ve gotten “something” for his trouble. I’ve been delayed a few times. They usually give meal vouchers if it’s longer than 6 hours. I once got a 2 day stay at a hotel because of a delay.
Story 2: OP should have told the cop that Karen told OP that her husband beats her. He may want to look into that if Karen's husband is actually abusive. Get the husband in trouble and have that on Karen's [lack of] conscience
Story 4: How can someone be so wrong yet so right at the same time? Delivery and context, that's how. But the commenter summed it up, if an announcement like THAT came on, my flight anxiety having butt would be getting off the plane and taking a bus wherever I'm going.
11:02 That was very likely figurative
Really love these stories.
Last story: I'll bet there was some sort of compensation given. I'm just betting the jerk didn't think it was enough for him missing all the "good stuff" at a bachelor's party.
Last story:
So, yeah, no. You should never take out your frustrations with the company on the front line customer service people. That doesn't change the fact that this airline company sucks.
how do they suck? like, they practically did their best to make sure the passengers got to where they needed to go without having to pay extra for it. They were just diverted because of a medical emergency that the airline had no control over happening.
its like saying a store sucked because a customer had a heart attack while shopping.
Bruh
@@KaeyaDraws"That worker had a medical emergency and died, it inconvenienced me so much I should get my stuff for free!!"
The kind of logic these people have
So she "only bought $70" ? But she was quoted, according to her, $72 - so how was she going to pay the $72 with only $70?? 🤨
Story 2: The dry-cleaning clerk should have told the cops that the lady has domestic issues, as she's afraid to go home because of what her husband will do.
Story 1:
Karen: "hu... this is close...
NO ITS NOT!"
Story 4: Honestly, 50% of getting what you want comes from how you ask for it. I have to deal with people for my job, and I can tell you right now that "how are you going to compensate me" is going to be met with me repeating our policy on such nonsense. Giving me a legitimate reason to care and asking me to help however I can is going to get you a lot further, and spend more time asking people to bend rules. That being said, there is only so much I OR OP can do, and whether or not the customer has an excuse or wants it/demands it, it isn't going to change the fact that our ability to go the extra mile has a hard limit set by the company. I don't know what company policy is, but if I had that guy on the line, he would get the bare minimum I could offer, and it sounds like he got just that.
Hello everybody I hope you have a good afternoon
The employee only had to pick up some torn bags and hangers from the floor. Press charges and now u have to go to court. No one wants to deal with that bs if they dont have to.
Story 2: I wonder how often she calls the cops on her husband with how easily she lied on 911...
If someone DIED on a flight I was on, I would have enough of a soul to recognize that compensation is the LEAST important think anyone can possibly think about. Anyone who gets uppity about money after someone LITERALLY DIED ON THE FLIGHT needs therapy immediately.
Last story: The airline's policy probably lumps that in along with weather issues. The "contract" of the ticket (get you from A to B at specific time) is full of caveats that _maybe_ you click through when you buy online, but maybe never see if you don't go asking about it.
It's all dependent on the means of how or why the person died. Heart attacks or current illnesses aren't covered but say if a person was injured by something that's a part of the plane like an overhead compartment door or similar after being overloaded then a person's travel insurance may cover that at their discretion but not by the actual airline company
Story 4 says it's one of the worlds biggest airlines. Giant companies don't care about their employees at all. No one is saying the pilots family should compensate the passengers. The multi billion dollar company who had replaced that pilot by his next flight could have easily refunded the flight or offered a voucher.
I work retail. If you were wronged and polite I will gladly give you a discount or store credit to make up for your troubles. Most of the time these people are surprised and grateful. If you are rude you’re getting nothing or the bare minimum. Word to the wise be polite.
Also on the flight with the captain with the heart attack. Isn't that a rehash of an earlier story? Only that one was about a 1 star review left by the person on the flight complaining about the delay..... Looks like an urban myth to me.
That airline tale. We don't know how long the delay due to the diversion was. For all we know, all the passengers were given meal vouchers for the diversion airport while they got a new pilot(s) in, as well as hotels at the end destination for the flight for those who missed a connection and had to stay overnight as well as helping every single passenger with a connection rebook, perhaps even paying the difference in airfare if there was any.
It sounds like this is the sort of entitled eejit who would demand special treatment; e.g. if all the passengers were given coupons for up to $400 toward another flight, he would expect to keep that coupon *and* get a full refund, or cash in hand.
No, c’mon, not the AH. Nor wrong. They would never have disclosed that one of two pilots passed away, they would have made some sort of excuse that they needed to restock or resupply something, that they were just doing a minor diversion. No one on the flight should have known a pilot passed away until they reached their destination if at all. Yes, they should have offered a free drink and meal to the passengers for the delay, reassured they have called ahead to try and prevent any delays in getting on board of their connecting flight. Most professional airplanes have professional staff. The fact that she had to explain it to him rather than him bring it up means he didn’t even realise why there was a delay. No way it took so long. They would have called ahead, landed closest reasonable sport, given a quick statement and quick check on plane before continuing as soon as there was another pilot available. Delays should always be factored in when you’re travelling. The passenger’s inconvenience was on his own damn head.
Last week I bought something that didn't do the job I wanted. Today I went to the store where I got it and asked about their return policy. Due to me already using some of it they said I need to contact the manufacturer for a refund. I told them thank you and then left. What a totally normal interaction. Yeah it sucks that I need to do an extra step to get my refund but I didn't start shouting at employees and all that nonsense. People are insane.
Second story: the answer to: do you want me to die? The response should be “do you want the truth or the big lie that makes you think I care?”
Sadly story 3 I’ve had similar experiences, I tell an idiot the store policy, they demand to talk to the manager. Ok idiot, my manager comes over and tells them the same thing. Seriously these people don’t realize my manager is the one who to,d me what to say.
I feel like the answer to "my husband will kill me, do you want me to die?" should be "no, that's why I'm calling the police to report an extreme domestic abuse situation." See how fast she backpedals.
If I had been there with the dry cleaning lady I would have offered for her to stay while we wait for the police to report the murder threat and abuse by her husband. Or I would have mentioned that to the police once they arrived.
that first story with prejudice is a big thing meaning case closed and cannot sue over that event again
72. As apposed 82. She was trying to get. Bingo money ….lol
Hahaha! When something happens to a Karen, she doesn't worry about if people are OK, they need a lawyer STAT! My question is, how many people truly have the money for keeping lawyers on retainer 24/7?😂😂😂
Thank you❤ be safe! Thinking of you guys!
On that story with the XboX. That's a very customer unfriendly policy imho. That wouldn't fly here over in europe. Return policies are controlled by law and not something a store can just write up themselves. However the unit would be inspected and if it was opened (screw covers broken) indicating someone swapped stuff out they also wouldn't get a refund as that would take the unit out of waranty.
Last story: Why should the passengers be compensated for something beyond the airline's control? I may not know how all airlines operate but acts of god like the death of the pilot or extreme weather are not deserving of compensation. Plus, how cold and inhuman must you be to hear that your pilot died and still want compensation off a tragedy like that. The last commenter has showcased their ignorance & callousness. Having flown regularly for more than 10 years, there's no such thing as an automatic compensation. My worst delay was for 18 hours in Munich to Hongkong via Doha & what we got was a rebooking and overnight hotel stays because the craft had mechanical issues. We got informed of the cancellation 3 hours past our departure time. Mechanical issues are the airline's fault, a pilot dying mid-flight isnt. Its pretty ignorant to assume that in all circumstances, passengers deserve a compensation.
Most Airlines, when it comes to a situation like this, usually comp people either on the plane, when deboarding the plane, or will contact them days later about the situation. Most likely, this person did get something but thought that it wasn't enough for him
Story 2 -- Mu husband is going to kill me if I pay $80!
Me:"Well see that's more of a you problem than a me problem."
So.... for the last story, im not on anyones side. Its a very grey area. On one hand, youd think theyd offer the passengers something but at the same time, the pilot kicking the bucket isnt in the airlines control
Liked your thoughtful take on the last story
Story 4: I can answer this question as to why they didn’t give vouchers. Because corporate is Scrooge. I worked customer service for an airline for 7 years. Know what 70% of our delays were? Maintenance, aka something within the company’s control. Know how many of them were given the catch-all “Previous delay of the aircraft” code that means “We don’t know(don’t want to say) what the cause is, so we can’t give you compensation because it may not have been our fault”? Unless the plane was sitting on our ramp such that customers could see it, 100%. I even had more than one event where it got turned from Maintenance to catch all while I was rebooking a customer with a line of people still to help, and now I have to be the messenger that the other people waiting in line can’t get what I just gave this guy, or lose my job by giving it to them. If the employees aren’t giving you vouchers, it’s because corporate has them by the throats and is forcing them not to on threat of termination and potential lawsuit. This employee almost surely faced some form of reprimand for revealing the actual reason for the delay, and you can be sure they did not announce over the PA that there was a death. Likely they claimed air traffic or weather(both things outside company control)